Conference hydra::amiga_v1

	Hi Ray,

	Audiomaster III is a wonderful program. It's full stereo with
	sampling frequencies up to 56kHz (with an accelerator board).

	Many features for editing, including multiple loops (!). With
	these you can sample a song and loop the refrain at various 
	locations in the sample without wasting memory.
	AM III also supports the whole memory (!).

	Here in Europe exists another fine sampler with program called
	Deluxe Sound V3.0. It has similar features as Audiomaster
	and some ad on software with which you can produce real echoes
	and sample live onto floppies. If you own two drives your sample
	can be as long as you have floppies :-)
	The manufacturer is called Hagenau Computer. I don't know, if they
	have a distibutor in the States but if you want, I can look for
	the complete address.

	BTW. They also have a slow-scan digitizer which is a real competitor
	     to DigiView. (called Deluxe Video 4.0)

	Greetings 
	Helmut

    
    Hi Helmut,
    
    Yes, if you could I would appreciate the address, also what's the
    sampling frequency without the accelerator?  My system is a A2000HD
    with 5meg of RAM.
    
    Thanks,
    ~Ray
    
    

    I second the motion for AUDIOMASTER III, it works with our A.M.A.S.
    sampler quite well.   I sampled some music at 20some Khz and it sounded
    quite good on playback.  The sample was about 80 seconds long, but took
    over 4 megabytes of memory!
    
    Jean
    

Re earlier replies:

Just a small query for the basenoter- are you looking for *just* a program, or
for sound digitizing hardware as well? I had the impression you wanted both.
If that's the case, be aware that AudioMaster III is software only, and you'll
need to buy a digitizer as well- which will come with its own sample editing
program.

All the reviews I've seen rave about AudioMaster as an editor, no matter what
hardware you use, but you should be aware that it doesn't include a digitizer.
Also, you may not want to buy a *second* editor if you get one with a digitizer,
unless the extra power/flexibility of AudioMaster is important to you.

Cheers,
	Bob

    re: -1 
     
    Yes, I need both hardware and software.  The "Perfect Sound" program
    sells for $69.00 and "AudioMaster III" sells for $69.00.  Does Audio-
    Master III give that much better performance and options than Perfect 
    Sound software to warrent spending the extra cash?  I want as much
    control over the audio as possible, the sampling rate of Perfect Sound
    is 22Khz, so the dealer tells me.  Does AM III enhance the sampling
    rate also?  And, even if it does the digitizer is only 8 bits so that
    is a big limitation for using this for any professional use.  My big
    question now is:  Is this package really just a toy or is it a decent
    sampler?
    
    Thanks,
    ~Ray
      

Re .5:

Well, Ray, whaddya wanna do with it?

By "pro" standards, 8-bit samplers are toys by definition, so if you're going
in that direction think long and hard. On the other hand, 8-bit samples can
really sound pretty decent, and are quite acceptable for many applications.
It's really up to you as far as that goes. If you want to go with greater
sample resolution, SunRize Industries just came out with some add-on boards
(dunno the price) with 12- and 16-bit sampling capability. However, these
samples of course would not be playable on a stock Amiga!

As far as the extra bucks go, I don't have a sampler, so I just go by what I've
read. Perfect Sound's editing software sounds adequate, AudioMaster III's
sounds superb, from reviews. A personal fave of mine is Synthia II, mainly
useful for musical applications. It offers every kind of synthesis currently
practiced, from what I can tell. You can use it to create sounds or edit ones
captured by a digitizer.

So, what's the scoop?

Bob

I was looking at audiomaster 3 and perfect sound and future sound (which was
$80 at memory location in returned s/w saturday,)  and remember audiomaster iii
is s/w only, no sampler.  You''d have to buy both
tom

    I think I'll check the Sunrise products out.  I need (or should I say I
    want) a sampler but don't want the limitations of the Amiga output. 
    So, I'll just save some more money up and see what materializes on
    the market.  With the way support is going with the Amiga, like dual
    TBC's on a board that fits in a Amiga slot, it shouldn't be long.
    
    Thanks,
    ~Ray
    

	
	Hi Ray,

	sorry that I'm answering that late, but I wasn't in for two days.
	If you really *need* 16bit then you have to wait, but AM III really
	produces samples which are very clear, because it doesn't only sample
	at 50kHz+ but also can do the playback at this rate, rather than
	other samplers which only playback at 29kHz.

	Another word to the sampling rates: 
	    with standard 68000 you can sample upto 56kHz mono and 38kHz
	    in stereo. With an 020/030 you can sample 56kHz stereo.

	Playback is possible at 50kHz+ even on a 68000.
	That depends of course also on the sampler hardware but with 
	PerfectSound 3 and Deluxe Sound these sampling rates are possible.

	What I've heard is, that the hardware of PerfectSound 3 should be
	one of the best, but its software is rubbish. So an almost perfect
	combination would be PerfectSound 3 and AM III. But there's also
	the money...

	I think that no program today offers more functionality than AM III,
	it's has real professional features.

	And just to give you the whole information here's the address of
	Hagenau Computer who offers the Deluxe Sound hard & software.
	(another superb sampler):

	Hagenau Computer Gmbh
	Alter Uentroper Weg 181
	D-4700 Hamm 1
	Germany

	Tel.: 02381/880077
	Fax : 02381/880079

	ciao, Helmut

Re .9:

Helmut- on the playback sampling rate, my information is that this rate can only
be achieved by using the 68000 (and thus disabling any other tasks) instead of
the Amiga sound chip (Ms. Paula, I believe). In other words, all you can *do*
with the sound is whatever AM can do with it, which excludes use by sequencers
and other sound programs. This makes the higher rate meaningless for my own
applications, which do include sequencing; I don't know about the basenoter.

Cheers,
	Bob

	Bob,

	what my friend (owner of AM III) told me, is that at least there's
	no freezing of the mousepointer. So I would guess that there can be
	done something while playing AM songs butu I don't know how the 
	multitasking really is affected. I don't know it from my own 
	experience, but it's quite possible, that there ARE limitations.
	Especially that sequencing is not possible, for it is very CPU 
	consuming I suppose.

	BTW: another feature of AM III is that it uses a new file format.
	Compressed IFF sound files, which at the moment is only supported
	by AM III itself. (You can of course save a sample in normal IFF
	format as well).

	I only wanted to make some points clear; I'm not at all related
	to Aegis/Oxxi nor am I a salesman, but this product DID impress 
	me very much.

	Cheers,
	Helmut

I've got an earlier version of AudoMaster (don't know which one). Is it 
worthwhile to get an update, and what is the policy/price?

Dave

    
    I called Sunrise Ind. in CA and a rep told me that the new samplers 
    (AD12 and AD16... 12 bit, 16 bit samplers) would be out soon.  Check
    these preliminary prices...  $500 for the AD12 and $2000 for the AD16!
    I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but I was.  Anyway, Helmut or Bob or
    anybody that has heard Perfect Sound (with and without AM III) could
    a sample of audio be taken and used for like wedding videos, or
    business presentations.  If your not looking for CD quality but want 
    "good" audio, will Perfect Sound do the job?
    
    Thanks,
    ~Ray
    
    
    

Re: .12

>I've got an earlier version of AudoMaster (don't know which one).  Is it 
>worthwhile to get an update, and what is the policy/price?

I've been pleased with every AudoMaster update.

Oxxi (who bought out Aegis) was very pleasant about letting me upgrade.
Call them at (213) 427-0971 for prices.

	Aegis/Oxxi brought out a new soundsampler especially for use
	with AM III. It's the first sampler which supports the 56 kHz of
	AM III. Of course it's stereo.
	It has three inputs, one for pre-amplified sources, one for 
	unamplified (like microphones), and even a small built-in micro,
	which does its job very well for speech, but for music one should
	use a external micro.

	SoundMaster is sold in combination with AM III for 350 DEM.
	(I don't know the RRP for other countries). It's not cheap but
	as it's a decent piece of hardware and a jewel of software, IMHO
	it's worth its money.

	Ciao
	hELMUT