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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2096.0. "720K drives on Transformer" by MTWAIN::MACDONALD (WA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25) Mon Jan 09 1989 19:20

    Before I delete this ... perhaps someone would be interested?
    
I've answered this so many times you'd think I'd have the smarts to
keep it on a piece of paper taped to my monitor, but noooOOOOOO... I'll
post this publically since it seems to get asked a lot and it may serve
to help someone else later:
 
The Transformer manual is wrong. You CAN make 720K disks on Amiga 3.5"
drives under Transformer & MS Dos (3.2 or greater) and here's how:
 
You need to change your config.sys file so it contains the following
two lines:
 
device=driver.sys /d:1
device=driver.sys /d:2
 
So see if you have 'config.sys.' on your MS Dos boot-up system disk
and if so, add those two lines to the file using any ASCII editor
(Sidekick's Notepad works great for this stuff).  Make sure driver.sys
is on the disk too. Having done that, reboot MS Dos. You'll see some
new stuff upon bootup telling you that virtual drives are being
setup, probably drives C: and D:
 
Now depending on how you have SetATPrefs configured on your Transformer
disk, let's assume you have a DF0: set up as A: and a DF1: set up as
B:, you'll now have two new additional assignments, C: and D:. 
 
Your A: and B: drivers are 360K
Your C: and D: drives are 720K
 
C: and D: are, of course, "virtual" drives, or "phantom" drives.
 
Tell MS Dos you want to format a disk in drive C: It'll ask you to
"insert a disk in drive C:" so put a blank floppy 3.5" in DF0: (which
is normally A:) and it'll format as 720K. 
 
This is all buried somewhere in the MS Dos manual, probably on one of
the pages that wasn't "intentionally left blank." :-)

    
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2096.1Can I print from Transformer/messydos?STAR::ROBINSONTue Feb 07 1989 19:1512
     Seems like a good place for a TRANSFORMER question...
     Does anyone print directly from MSDOS running under/over/with/whatever
     TRANSFORMER.  That is, can I access the serial port and LA50?
     Or do I have to copy files with the PC utilities and print from
     the Amiga?
     
     I am using MSDOS 3.2 if that matters, and I am mostly MSDOS-ignorant,
     if that helps/hinders answers. ;-)
     
     Thanks,
     Dave
     
2096.2MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Tue Feb 07 1989 19:443
    When I run Transformer, my modem (connected to the serial port)
    and my LQ850 (connected to the parallel) port function just as though
    I were running from AmigaDOS. Procomm + works fine, etc.
2096.3How to get a serial-port LA50 to work STAR::ROBINSONMon Feb 13 1989 16:1626
      Well I have been trying to get the DEC LA50 to work from
      Transformer without much luck. When I attempt to print (copy prn:)
      I get a "not ready" error and must type a to abort the print 
      attempt. When I use the MSDOS print command the drive just whirs
      away until I reboot. 
      
      I am still mostly MSDOS ignorant, but I did find the MODE command
      which purportedly must be used to direct a printer to the serial
      port. If I recall correctly the syntax was something like 
       A:\>   mode lpt1: com1:

      I also tried to set up the serial port parameters using this command 
      with no success.

      Am I on the right track with this kind of thing? Or should the 
      Transformer just pass along my preferences setup which says
      my printer is on the serial port set at 4800 baud, blah, blah, blah?
      I am trying all this with a nearly-stock WorkBench 1.2, and I have tried
      generic and LA50 print drivers. I also tried the PSTRANSFORMER 
      "patch" which brought on the guru instead of MSDOS. 
 
      So far I am incouraged that trying to print produces an error instead of
      of a dramatic crash. 

      Thanks for any help
      Dave
2096.4BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonWed Feb 15 1989 17:4813
    re: .3
    there is more than one patch.  The guy who did the original
    patch came out with a more recent version.  I suspect you won't
    be able to get it to work with the original Transformer.  You
    need to get a non-guruing version of the patch.
    
    Preferences only affects AmigaDOS, the AT_prefs affects the
    Transformer.
    
    I'd recommend looking in the NAC::IBMPC notesfile for war stories
    on hooking up LA50s to real ibmpcs.
    
    -Dave
2096.5Thanks, I'll forge ahead STAR::ROBINSONWed Feb 15 1989 18:5910
     Well, I read the doc with the the pstransformer patch again and I think
     it implies the new patch supercedes the old one. I was using it with
     a version that was already patched once to work with WB 1.2.
     So its back to the drawing board.

     Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to check out more of the PC file
     for details on the printer. 

     Dave
2096.6BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonThu Feb 16 1989 00:184
    try note 2628.* of NAC::IBMPC, it has pointers to other notes
    and talks about the Xon/Xoff that LA50s like.
    
    -dave
2096.7Boot from 720K drive ?NOTIBM::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Tue Sep 26 1989 14:037
    Hi,
    
    am I right in thinking I should be able to boot Transformer from a
    720K 3 1/2 floppy ?
    
    Regards
    	Mike
2096.8I use 3 1/2s.STAR::ROBINSONTue Sep 26 1989 15:204
     re: .7    Yep you can use a 3 1/2.  Actually Transformer is a program
     that you click on to start.  Then you "boot" from a 3 1/2 MS-DOS
     disk.
     Dave
2096.9Wont Boot !NOTIBM::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Tue Sep 26 1989 23:4821
    Hmm,
    
    I got a copy of Transformer of the net ages ago. I only managed to get
    a copy of MS-DOG on a 720K floppy the other day. My initial test was
    using the standard Transformer program to start the boot process. When
    the Transformer "boot" screen came up and I hit return to boot, the
    drive wasn't being accessed. I then remebered there was a patch
    floating around to make it work on A500s etc. So last night I loaded
    down PSTRANSFORMER and tried again. This time after pressing return it
    went to DF0: but wouldn't boot (yes the floppy was in the drive).
    
    So I checked the floppy with CrossDOS (which could read it, amazing
    stuff !). This morning I also had it checked to make sure it is
    bootable on the system it came from. The floppy came from a Toshiba
    laptop and has MS-DOS 3.3.
    
    Any suggestions on why it wont boot ? Am I doing something wrong, or
    have I just got an imcompatible BIOS or something...
    
    Thanks
    	Mike
2096.10... works on my 2000LEDS::ACCIARDIWed Sep 27 1989 02:2215
    
    I've been able to use Transformer (after applying the PSTransformer
    patch) on my rev 4.3 B2000 using Dos 2.11 from a Data General One
    laptop.  Works fine, albeit slow.  Actually, I never use it any more; I
    mostly used it back in the Dark Ages of 1985 when there was no Amiga
    software.  I had all the Infocom text adventures in MS-Dos format
    running on my vintage A1000.
    
    I believe some of the early B2000s used a Cherry brand keyboard that
    had some timing problems that made Transformer unusable.   There is a
    fix to this keyboard involving a few capacitor snips...
    
    Sorry I can't be of more help...  
    
    
2096.11NOTIBM::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Wed Sep 27 1989 06:3110
2096.12Here's HowDICKNS::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Wed Sep 27 1989 11:5142
2096.13Transformer will boot from 720kAYOV28::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieWed Sep 27 1989 12:4519
2096.14DICKNS::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Wed Sep 27 1989 15:4717
    No you don't need a 360k MSDos disk to boot from. The only copy
    of MSDos I could get my hands on was on a 720k disk from an Olivetti
    PC, and transformer boots fine from it. If you ask transformer to
    format drive a: it will only format it to 360k, but it will read
    720k disks without problem.

>> Well, my A2000 will not read all files on a 720K format disk. It
>> works just peachy on 360K disks.
    
    There is a way to get transformer to format to 720k too, it involves
    logical disks c: and d: by adding a couple of line to the autost.bat
    (can't remember what the lines are but I got them from this notesfile
    somewhere)

>> Hmmm .. yep, I got them stashed somewhere. I'll look'em up.    

2096.15720kAYOV28::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieThu Sep 28 1989 06:5216
2096.16720K again.MQOFS::LEDOUXReserved for Future UseThu Sep 28 1989 14:0014
    Alan T. in .15 is right, but forgot to mention that those
    lines should be in A> Config.sys. Not in autoexec.bat
    
    I also had problem booting because I have only 1 meg memory on
    my B2000 and while seting up my transformer, If I used 640K memory
    it just wouldn't boot.  I had to set it to 512K to get it to work...
    (or perhaps less, I forgot)
    
    I boot 720K diskettes no problem, just make sure all the files
    required to boot are in the first 360K, just to be on the safe 
    side. i.e., command, autoexec, config, all dos programs used in
    autoexec etc...
    
    Vince.