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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

259.0. "need tutorial on uploading from VMS" by KIRK::KYZIVAT (Paul Kyzivat) Tue Jan 20 1987 16:24

I need some explanation of uploading procedures from Vax to Amiga.  (At the 
moment my interest is in the LA50 driver.)  There are a multitude of tools and 
little that I have found in the way of documentation.

In particular, there are a number of different file transfer protocols - 
KERMIT, XMODEM, ... which apparently are incompatible but perform the same 
basic functions.  I have the Wecker VT100 which supports some of these, and 
ONLINE! which supports others.  I also have Vax KERMIT but nothing on the vax 
to support any other (at least as far as I know).

What are the pro's and con's of these, and if something is significantly 
better than KERMIT, where can a vax implementation be obtained?

Beyond the above, I see a lot of reference to ARC.  I gather this is an 
archiving tool which combines and encodes one or more files into a single file 
in a fully reversible way.  Why should this be necessary?  Don't kermit, etc. 
preserve the format of binary files?  If it is necessary for uploading 
programs, where can vax and amiga versions be obtained, and expecially, how 
can the amiga version be uploaded without use of itself?

Finally - I have some experience using Kermit between vms and top-20, but I 
have been unable to successfully establish communication between the amiga and 
vms using the Wecker VT100 and vms.  All it get is TMOUT on the amiga, 
apparently without receiving any data at all from the vax.  I tried using send 
on the vax and receive on the amiga, and also with get on the amiga and the 
vax in server mode.  I presume I have some options set incompatibly, but it 
wasn't obvious.  Any wisdom on how to get it working?  (Perhaps the solution 
is to switch to xmodem?)

I am anxiously awaiting the chance to get a fully functional LA50, so this is 
all very frustrating.

	Paul
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259.1...CHEF::ACCIARDITue Jan 20 1987 16:4323
    Hi...
    
    I have been successfully using Comm132 (XMODEM) in transfering binary files
    to and from VAX.  I know most others use DBW's VT-100 program
    successfully.
    
    Online! does not auto-chop records, so it is not great to use. 
    It does a fair impersonation of a VT-100, but does not support scroll
    windows very well.  And, I never got a good Amiga/Vax transfer using
    Online!'s XMODEM.
    
    From what I hear, DBW's program is the way to go.  
    
    Archiving not only groups files together for convenience, but
    compresses the files up to 50% for speedier transfer.
    
    If you like, I can get you a copy of Com132, Archive, and related
    documents, if you send a blank floppy to...
    
    Ed Acciardi
    MS SHR1-4/B10
    
    VT-100 is surely available in Dave Weckers little Amiga Mine...
259.2sone helpELWOOD::PETERSTue Jan 20 1987 17:0919
    
    	In the process of uploading the LA50 driver I have learned a
    few things, but I'm not an expert yet. First I use DBW's VT100 program.
    It is public domain and from MSDOS days I like kermit. To send or
    recieve files from a system, I run vt-100, login to my vax, run
    kermit, kermit> set file type xxx ( ascii or binary ), kermit> serve,
    you then use mouse to select menue option kermit send or kermit
    recieve, answer file question, you should see status line at bottom
    of screen ( counts changing ect. ), after transfer is done, use
    mouse to select kermit bye ( you are back in terminal mode ), logout,
    exit VT100.
    	ARC can be found on Fred Fish disk 40 ( or send me a blank floppy).
    ARC does many good things. First it puts many files together into
    one file. Second it compresses them for quicker transfer and less
    disk space. Third it adds checksums to the files, this double checks
    that the files were transfered right.
    
    		Steve Peters
    
259.3Me too?!HOUSE::FRACTALTue Jan 20 1987 20:199
    
    I too have been having troubles downloading. All my binary and text
    files come out fine but no matter what I do , I can't get my .arc
    files to work. When I arc16.bin L xxx.arc I get a list of files
    and after each one I get the message "Bad Header" and my byte total
    comes out to be negative, which inturn crashes the system. Do I
    strip .arc files or not when using xmodem or kermit?
    
    p.s. Wheres the la50 driver anyways?
259.4ELWOOD::PETERSWed Jan 21 1987 12:2011
    
    RE. .3
    
    	For the LA50 driver see note 193.11 .
    
    
    	As for downline loading, I use kermit in binary mode to transfer
    ARCed files. I don't strip or use anything else after the transfer.
    
    		Steve Peters
    
259.5Hope this help you some!OSL02::ROLVWed Jan 21 1987 20:1422
    Ok, Lets see if we can get this right..
    
    o USING KERMIT
    --------------
    On Vax Kermit> set file type fixed 
    	   Kermit> Set send pack 92  (As in VT100's Kermit)
    	   Kermit> set receive pack 92
    	   Kermit> server <return>
    
    On Amiga Kermit, just pull down --> kermit Get and give the file
    name.
  
      
    o USING XMODEM
    --------------
    If you need the VAX/VMS vers. I can copy it over to you.              
    
    Remember you must use 8 bit (Not required with kermit)
    Else it should work most of the times, but I go for kermit.
                                       
    Good Luck!
    Rolv.
259.6BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonWed Jan 21 1987 21:538
    what does
       Kermit> set send pack 92
       Kermit> set receive pack 92 
    do?  is that the mystery commands to let kermit work over TSN?
    
    my vms kermit didn't come with any documentation
    
    -dave
259.7Don't Touch DefaultsAUTHOR::MACDONALDThu Jan 22 1987 00:195
    Default settings of VAX Kermit should be okay. I wouldn't bother
    touching them -- I never have and my Kermit downloads and uploads
    are perfect even across a switch.
    
    Paul
259.8XMODEM helpDDMAIL::ANDREWSJust living a life of illusionTue Feb 03 1987 05:347
    I am having problems using Dave VT100 v2.4 trying to download a
    fiel using XMODEM.  I ask the other machine to send the file, pull
dem receive.  It then does nothing . no propts for a filename
    Nothing.  It then locks up.  So coulld someone tell me what I am
    doing wrong ?	
    		Rob
    BTW how do you get the backspace key to work correctly too?    down the menu and select xmoid
259.9Try This - It Works for MeAUTHOR::MACDONALDTue Feb 03 1987 11:3820
    On VMS:
    
    $ RUN XMODEM
    XMODEM> S filename.typ
    
    On Amiga:
    
    Select Xmodem Receive (make sure it is set for Image Transfer).
    
    If you are going through a switch, you might have some problems.
    If I am not mistaken TSN now supports xmodem transfers, but Tymnet
    connections to TSN do not.
    
    If in doubt, dial direct to your VAX. Also make sure your system
    is set to EIGHTBIT
    
    $ SET TERM/EIGHT  on your VAX account before running xmodem.