Conference 7.286::digital

    Now we'll REALLY have to be careful what we write if we want people
    to read it...
    
    Perhaps somebody should develop a pre-processor that will search
    outbound messages for keywords that might cause rejection at the
    other end, if you see what I mean...
    
    /Ben

    
     Well if you could filter incoming mail
    
          /filter=mail_headers,keep=(first,last)
         
          /filter=size,page_limit=1,char_limit=default
    
          /filter=legal_bs(NOLogos,NoTM,NoBalonie)
    
    	  /filter=gadfly,exclude_list=FLAMER::J_DOE,...
    
    	  /filter=receive,(pointer)  (sends only a pointer to a W:R file
    				      on sender disk, i.e., don't lose
    				      your diskquota to alot of mail!)
    
    I think that would help matters.
    
    my $0.02,
    clay
    

I was asking the MAIL and NOTES developers for a REJECT capability years ago.
Wish the US Postal Service would screen out trash mail on request also (i'd
even pay 'em a reasonable amount to do so).  There's a vast hidden market for
this type of functionality, and it will only grow

Somebody with a big stick really should be whacking those nitwits that extract
VTX articles and MAIL them to @world.dis.  What a waste of people time, disk
space, and bandwidth!  If we're going to use ugly VTX, at least let's not
negate the benefits/savings of doing so by duplicating everything many times
over in MAIL.  Grrrr...
								paul

    re: .0

    Excuse me, but,

        "... when he printed ..."

    is PAPER mail.

    I have no problem reading through my ALL-IN-1 mail or VAXmail, discarding
    what I don't need -- and printing just what I need.

    The image of a company's founder and president personally typing away on
    his PC answering his own mail is really quaint, but is not the real world.
    That is what executive secretaries and assistants do.

    Besides, I'll BET that 8 meters of that 9 meters was cover forwarding
    pages and distribution lists.

    Oh yes -- back to that other note of mine about where I use ALL-IN-1
    mail and VMS mail -- in ALL-IN-1 mail I don't have to read the 200+
    person distribution lists before I get to the memo!

    Best regards,
    Petes

	... or 9m HIGH?!!  :>)  :>)

    I'd like a filter that kills all messages with "FYI" in the title

re: .3:

Let me stand up and praise those "nitwits" who extract VTX articles: they
do us a great service by serving as EDITORS -- now I don't have to wade
through reams of vtx (not to mention vtx windows) in order to learn
what's important.

re: Ken on electronic mail.

About 3-4 years ago, the people pushing for a strong no-smoking policy
were making no headway with management.  One day, the person responsible
for any policy re-write gave permission for his E-mail address to be
posted in the NO_SMOKING notesfile.

The next morning, his secretary printed out 150 mail messages.

For better or worse, Ken -- as the personification of this company
-- is a magnet for mail, not all of which is worthy of his attention.
I would be very suprised if he were to read his mail.

On the other hand, it was said that President Kennedy had a standing
order to the White House telephone operators to relay every 1,000th call
(or some similar number) to his desk, so he could get some small sample
of unfiltered concerns.  Maybe I should write *that* one up for Delta!

Martin.

    RE: mail filters...
    
    We have it now (internally); take a look at DELIVER in the software
    tools clearinghouse.  Allows filtering of incoming mail based on sender
    and/or subject...
    
    Tim

   Last time I looked, DELIVER was Public Software that originated outside of
   Digital. But then, it wouldn't hurt to check in the DELIVER Conference at
   LESLIE::DELIVER, which indeed says that it is available to customers. See
   not 1.2 in that conference.
   
   q
   

At the opening address to week 1 of Network University, KO told the 500 or so 
field people that if we weren't getting what we needed from Engineering and 
the rest of the corporation we should send the appropriate parties a memo and 
make sure we copy him. KO said the parties needing his influence wouldn't know 
if he read the message or not... So, he is encouraging the use of his network 
mail address.

Jim

    	Doesn't each mail message print after a form-feed?  (That is to
    	say, each message starts at the top of a fresh page.)  I wouldn't
    	know because I don't randomly print my mail...
    
    	If the above is true, then that would mean 9 meters (less than
    	30 feet) would be about 30 or so pages.  30 pages would mean
    	a MAXIMUM of 30 mail messages.  (It could be less if some 
    	messages are more than 1 page long.)  So he got 30 mail messages
    	one morning.  Big deal.  I get at least that much every day.
    	
    	Maybe that means I'm more important than KO!
    
    	Joe Oppelt
    
    	BTW, maybe someone needs to teach Ken how to read his mail on
    	his screen instead of printing it out first.  It would be a great
    	example of how to save money (paper and printing costs).  We
    	could teach him how to use the delete feature in MAIL.  We
    	could show him how to do a DIRECTORY and pre-screen the subject
    	lines and then do   D 3,5,14,29,30  etc to delete those he knows
    	up front are of no interest to him.
    
    	Nine meters.  Big deal.

    
    Re .6
    
    >I'd like a filter that kills all messages with "FYI" in the title
    
    I put an auto-header on my mail address that said "Do you really
    need to copy me on this?"
    
    I got slammed for bad attitude.
    
    'gail

        Digital has it (internally!) now!

        This full-featured mail filter is available in versions that
        work with VMS Mail and VAX and RISC Ultrix.  We also have a
        version that runs under ALL-IN-1, but it requires more
        hand-holding in terms of system management.

        We would love to see somebody make this into a product, but
        we ourselves are an advanced development group.

        Bob Fleischer
        OSAG Advanced Development
        --------------------------
From:	XANADU::POST         23-FEB-1990 11:22:53.68
Subj:	OFFICE FILTER Notes Conference Announcement

We have set up a public notes conference for the OFFICE FILTER. The
conference is ABBOTT::OFFICE_FILTER and we hope that you will avail
yourself of the opportunity to share with others any problems, suggestions,
and experiences with the OFFICE FILTER. (ABBOTT has DEC-NET address 19.964)

If you have any questions or problems that are not appropriate for the
notes conference, or have trouble getting to the notes conference, feel 
free to contact me at any time....

Happy Filtering....

Mark J. Post
Principal Engineer
BOSE Advanced Development
XANADU::POST, BOSTAC::POST
DTN 381-0897

    Finally, only 5+ years after the first ALL-IN-1 implementation.
    
    Should be some slick graphics stuff coming 'bout aug.
    
    We even had hypertext or something like it before Apple ...
    
    Its taking longer every year.
    
    

    Sorry to join this discussion so late.  This is a conference I read on
    an irregular basis.
    
    We actually developed an ALL-IN-1 Mail Filter in VBO in 1988. It was
    shown to the public at DECworld 1988 and we used it as the basis of a
    patent application for mail filtering technology which has now been
    granted to Digital in Europe and the UK (two separate applications). 
    It's also (crawling through) the US patent process.  As ALL-IN-1 was 
    introduced in 1981 (DECAID, then CP/OSS, then ALL-IN-1) it only took us 
    7 years to discover that mail volume was getting out of control.  
    
    The ALL-IN-1 Mail Filter is available from ASSETS (at least in Europe). 
    The Office Filter mentioned in .13 is a development of the original
    concept.  I think both will handle the "FYI in title is junked" type of
    processing that has been requested.
    
    Have fun, Tony
    (co-patent holder)

    I had a mail filter running under ALL-IN-1 on ATFAB in 1984 under a pre
    release of A1 V2.0.  But that was during the time of paranoia when
    telling anyone else was a definite no-no ...
    
    sigh,
    
    kevin