Conference 7.286::digital

    this isn't high school

re .1:

Apparently, this isn't DEC anymore, either!  :-{

Bob

    Personally, I don't think it's anybody's business.  I wouldn't want
    my name published......what's that?? They want me in the conference
    room now?...and bring my badge with me?

    
    I understand that this isn't high school.  I just think that
    when you're dealing with someone either on a business level
    or project level and you can no longer contact that person
    there should be a way to know that they're gone.  Perhaps
    ELF will be updated faster, or the personnel files I'm not
    sure what the delay is.  We should find a way to notify
    at least the people who "need" to know,  I wasn't suggesting
    a bulletin board just a bit of curtesy.  
    
    

     RE: Last goodbyes

     If you are concerned about people you work with not getting the
     message your gone, why not type up a farewell letter, and distribution
     list in advance?

     If your worried you won't be allowed to send the mail message as your
     last official act...submit a batch procedure each day with a delay 
     qualifier, sending the mail message at midnight.

     Just be sure to delete the entry from the que at the end of each day. ;^)

     -Marc

And if your worried that you wont know when someone you were dealing with
has left, then just call them. If they dont answer well..., er, never mind 
thats another problem and another note. (-:

    re: .5
    
    If you use a VMS system and your userid is DISUSERed the batch job
    will not run.

    Hmmm...something to think about...(.5 brought up the point) What if you
    *do* submit a batch job announcing your "leaving" and forget to delete
    it at the end of the day? Would that be grounds for dismissal?
    
    Ken

    No, but if "they" were still trying to decide who to give
    the axe to, your action might help them decide - after
    all, you've already said your farewells.
    
    	:-)
    

    
    There is actually a somewhat serious side to .0  Its not uncommon
    for employees at Digital to have dial-in numbers to local and remote
    servers, remote accounts, proxy access to remote systems (the list
    goes on).  While the employee's manager owns the responsibility of
    the "exiting" checklist, it is highly probable that he/she does not
    know all of the remote accounts/proxies/access numbers, etc.
    
    Thus, there is a potential security threat involved when employees
    leave (I imagine a threat always exists when an employee leaves
    involuntarily).  However, I'm not sure what can be done short of 
    advertising to all of Digital that someone has left.  For the most part, 
    groups that work closely with other groups probably hear quite quickly 
    who's been let go.  That in itself may be enough to minimize potential 
    security problems.
    
    Mike

It's common practice within the I.S. world for the account
management folks to receive a copy of the terminated 
employees list from personell. This report contains the
names of terminated employees as well as employees
moving to and from disability and is designed to notify
people of such moves, if necessary.

Of course, these reports, like all reports in Digital, aren't
the most timely but they do pretty well.

-Ray

Here at the Dallas ACT, one district personnel organization sends us a
termination list.  Another district refuses.

Bob

    <re: .4>
    
    >>>I wasn't suggesting a bulletin board just a bit of curtesy.  
    
    An American definition of the word "curt" is to be short to the 
    point of being rude.  When it comes to its employees leaving, I think
    Digital demonstrates a lot of curt-esy.  Oh, you meant courtesy --
    sorry. 

  Re .0: I too am concerned about the possibility of people "disappearing"
without a chance to notify everyone who should know. If someone who is being
laid off wants to notify people, he/she can easily call from home. The problem
is how do you find out if someone has been laid off if that person seems to
have "disappeared"? It would be better if we didn't have to rely on the rumor
mill, but disseminating a list of laid-off employees to everyone is not the
answer. I don't know what the answer is.

    Re .0
    
    Several weeks ago I sent the moderators a note asking if we could
    establish an "ADIOS" note and one replied back saying he didn't think
    it was appropriate.  I never really liked this answer and I glad this
    has been brought into the open.
    
    I work in Westfield and have been with DEC for 23 years.  Over the
    years I have established many friendships throughout the company. Many
    of these have faded due to circumstances and time.  Occasionally,
    especially around my anniversary date, I think about all the guys that
    started here the same time I did.  DEC hired 35 folks from my class at
    EI in Pittsburgh (you know who you are).  I imagine everyone wonders
    whatever happend to this one or that one and I feel that this forum
    would be a wonderful, across the company method for saying farewell. 
    Here in Westfield over 400 people have either volunteered or otherwise
    been terminated.  Many of these folks have worked in the greater
    Maynard area or have moved from here to other parts of the company.
    
    I'm not suggesting that the company publish a list of departures, but
    feel strongly that this conference is the widest read, best titled one
    for those of us that want to announce our departure.  It makes me mad
    as hell to know that I may not have an opportunity to tell an old
    friend good-bye because I didn't know they had departed.  The family
    feel of the old DEC seems pretty much dead.  Maybe this would be a good
    time to try to revive it.  Maybe in the future an entirely new
    conference could be established with the goal of re-establishing old
    friendships and communicating to the community how your life is doing. 
    However, there just isn't time to do it now.  The current reduction is
    supposed to be completed by the 28th of June.
    
    I vote for this conference at this time.
    
    Thanks,
    
    John Crabtree
    2/19/68