Conference 7.286::digital

    Yes, I use the ddif logo - which I obtained from the Digital ArtLibrary
    - a wonderful thing put together by Erik Goetz.  There is a NOTES file
    at CALDEC::DIGITAL_ARTLIBRARY which you might want to look into...
    
    Rgds,
    marcia

    We have bit-mapped Digital logos, which you could get as Sixel or
    Interleaf files.

    Be careful with some of those bitmapped Digital logos.  I've seen some 
    that are bogus, possibly because somebody stretched them in one
    dimension or another when positioning them in a DECwrite file.
    

    RE: .5  "Bogus bitmaps"
    
    >Not ours -- they are exact
    
    Yes, but what's to prevent somebody from inadvertantly stretching it
    out of shape after they've linked it into a DECwrite file?   At least
    that's what I think happened on what that I'd had forwarded to me.
    

    Well, nothing.  So get one from us and don't stretch it 8^)

Does it absolutely have to be a .BMP file?  If the customer will accept a 
.GIF file there is an easy way: Go to any Digital WWW page and right-click
on the Digital logo.  NetScape will present a menu, one choice of which is
to save the image as a .GIF file.  I use this all the time to create
cover letters, title pages and other handouts for my customers, by grabbing
their logo off the WWW.  And I don't believe that I am violating copyright,
since the only place those documents go to are the company which owns the
symbol in the first place...

My 7-year old son showed me this one!

-- Ken Moreau

	  The logo is available in many formats (BMP, WMF, etc.) through 
     VTX IR.

				     Brian

And you can take the GIF logo, load it into any of a number of graphics
apps, and convert it to BMP.

				Steve

$VTX IR <ENTER>

1       (Search for Word in Title) <ENTER>

AL      (Digital Art Library) <PF1><ENTER>

LOGO    <PF1><ENTER>

1       (LOGO)<ENTER>

...some Next key depressions...

10      (19-Nov-94  Digital TM Burgundy logo 72pt shown in color) <ENTER>

[1]     (Mail a File) <ENTER>

5       (WMF file, Drawing, Color) <ENTER>

    
    I thought we were talking about .BMP and .GIF files.
    
    What are WMF and GCM files ?
    
    /John
    

    
    	I extracted it, but neither LView, XV nor Paint recognize a .WMF
    	file.
    

    .WMF  Windows MetaFile  
    	  (commonly used format for clipart in Word for Windows and other
    	   Microsoft applications) 
    				

    
    	When I try and pull it into Word, it prompts "convert file from"
    	and offers a list of choices ... what is the file type?
    
    	Windows MetaFile isn't 1 of the choices.
    

    
    I tried the Insert pull-down menu in Word 6.0, and then I clicked on
    Picture...
    
    I could then add either the .cgm or .wmf versions of the images I had
    pulled from the Art Library (NOT the Digital Logo)
    
    The .cgm (Corel ?) image happened to be larger, but Word let me scale
    it through Format...Picture (when it was selected).
    
    Cheers,
    		John
    

    
    	Got it now ... thanks!!
    
    	I'm still relatively new to this PC stuff.
    

  I believe .CGM is "Computer Graphics Metafile". I think Harvard
  Graphics and some other programs used to make these.

                                   Atlant

    FWIW, the Digital MRO library has a couple of copies of "Encyclopedia
    of Graphics File Formats," approximately 900 pages long, that describes
    almost every graphics file format in current use.  
    
    Although mildly interesting, unless you're planning to write a
    format coverter or something it probably isn't particularly useful....
    

        Another alternative is to use the Brand InfoCenter on WWW. It tends to
    be a bit easier to find what you are seeking -- plus it has lots of
    other valuable "stuff"

    Employees can access it at the following url:
    	
    		   	http://www.imc.das.dec.com/brand/


    BTW the logo page is at:

    http://www.imc.das.dec.com/brand/buildblks/logo/logo2/avail.html


    Vendors and partners can also access the info but there is a different
    url and a user name/password is required. If you need that info for a
    partner or vendor, send mail to AKOCOA::DIGIALBRAND or Digital Brand
    @AKO.

    cheers,
    Van

	  The particular graphics converters Word has available, like the
     particular document converters Word has available, are set at
     installation time.  Converters may be added by either rerunning the
     SETUP program, or by placing the appropriate DLL directly into the
     appropriate Windows program directory.  (The latter is not generally
     recommended.)

	  WMF (Windows Meta File) is the native graphics format for
     Windows.  Displaying or printing a WMF on Windows basically involves
     copying it to the device context, as what is stored in a WMF is
     essentially a series of Windows API calls.  WMFs generally scale
     without loss of detail, unlike BMPs (bitmaps).  CGM (Computer Graphics
     Metafile) is an alternative scalable format that works for pictures,
     but not pictures with embedded text such as annotations.  (Fonts or
     point sizes may change due to limitations either in the CGM format
     itself or in the CGM converter.)

				     Brian

As I posted tardily in the ArtLibrary notesfile, the BMP files
have been present all along in the usual place for Digital logos:

$DIR TRINTY::AZ:[PC.LOGOS]AL10*.BMP

Directory TRINTY::AZ:[PC.LOGOS]

AL010000.BMP;2                          1730/1740    16-APR-1993 13:27:54.00
AL010001.BMP;2                          1903/1908    16-APR-1993 13:46:22.00
AL010002.BMP;1                          1733/1740    31-MAR-1993 14:12:42.00
AL010003.BMP;1                          1844/1848    31-MAR-1993 14:13:12.00
AL010006.BMP;1                          1411/1416    21-MAY-1993 10:31:52.00

Total of 5 files, 8621/8652 blocks.

Just because I used VMS to list them doesn't mean they aren't available
via Pathworks, VTX IR, or the Web. The Web address for the above would be
http://trinty.pa.dec.com/pc/logos/

And the above notes are correct, BMP is an inferior file format to
a scalable vector form like Illustrator EPS or WMF. However
there are times when that is exactly what you need. Note the
large file sizes.

   erik

    Re: .23
    
    I reported to Van that the several non-Netscape browsers I tried
    complained about the URL syntax of the links on the avail.html page.
    I've been unable to figure out what they OUGHT to look like.  Might
    someone take a stab at this?
    
    				Steve

    re: .-1
    
    I imagine the ones that cause problems are the ones like:
    
    <A HREF="ftp:../../../ftp/block/pc/alpha/single">
    
    These are certainly unusual URLs, and I'm not sure how you should
    "expect" them to be interpreted by a browser. With Netscape, they are
    interpreted, probably incorrectly, as http URLs, which happen to work.
    Interpreted as ftp URLs, as seems to be intended, they don't work.
    
    Entering ftp://www.imc.das.dec.com/brand/ftp/block/pc/alpha/single/ by
    hand complains that the file is not available (../brand/ftp seems to be
    a symbolic link to nowhere or to something outside the ftp server's file
    structure). It looks like "ftp:" should just be deleted (and since it's
    really a directory, there should be a "/" at the end).
    
    -Tom

    Right - and you ran into the same brick wall I did.  I have exchanged
    mail with Van Smick about this, but he says he "just pasted in what
    Netscape told him".  (Sometimes I think we should ban Netscape.  It is
    the source of more grief and unusuable pages than anything else I can
    think of.)
    
    Ah well - I'll work this out with Van and maybe take it to
    INTERNET_TOOLS for assistance.
    
    				Steve

This may be moot now that the actual .BMPs have been found...

re the suggestion to take a .gif from a web page and convert it:

If what is wanted is a file for paper printing, you're going to want
at least 300 if not 600 dpi, and the .gif will only be 72 dpi as will
the converted .bmp and will look pretty lousy when printed.

/john