| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 2813.1 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:17 | 7 |
| I was planning some time off in that time frame anyway. So is much
of my group. Nice to know it will help with the Q2 numbers.
Though frankly it's a little scary to have a CEO resort to such
encouragement for the marginal benefit it will probably make.
Alfred
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| 2813.2 | It could be worse | RUTILE::DAVIS | | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:37 | 6 |
| The Ferney-Voltaire (France) management proposed - and the workers approved,
via a work council vote - two days of *involuntary* vacation, so the office
could be shut down during the upcoming Christmas period.
Some years ago, Apollo Computer had a pay reduction, which was
implemented by forced vacation for some, lower paychecks for others.
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| 2813.3 | | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:47 | 1 |
| This sounds like Q2 is in deep trouble:-(
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| 2813.4 | tough decisions | CTHQ::DWESSELS | | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:57 | 9 |
| Questions of the day:
How much will using my vacation now help the company, and by extension,
all employees in general?
vs.
How soon / Will I need pay for unused vacation to carry me over after a
future round of down-sizing?
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| 2813.5 | Ebenezer who? | GRANPA::DMITCHELL | | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:21 | 23 |
| .....a day that will live in infamy.
How bad are things here at Digital when we have to resort
to patches like this in an effort to bolster our bottom-line
in Q2?
I keep hearing about the "improving morale". Where I sit it
is not improving. TFSO's continue. The best folks I work with
are moving on to better opportunities outside. It is my belief
that in the past, as bad as things got, people always had hope
that thing would improve eventually. I think hope is being
replaced by doubt.
CBU's. That's the ticket. New pay plan for sales. That will
perk things up. Reduce headcount. Always a hit with Wall Street.
Please take vacation. It'll help the bottom line. How about.....
........let's forget the Red Cross........if every employee was
encouraged to give a pint of blood once a month and we turned
around and SOLD the blood.....let's see.....90,000 folks times
12......1,080,000 pints of blood times....what?.....$10......
...hmmmmmmmm......$10,800,000.00!!!!! Right to the bottom line.
Pure profit. In addition you could honestly say..."I shed
blood trying to help this company".
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| 2813.6 | It's Total Assest Management! | ODIXIE::GELINEAU | | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:08 | 30 |
|
The way I see it profitability comes from the judicial management of
ALL resources in the company. In this case, and this should be no
surprise to anyone in the company, there is the sharpest of focus on
management of profitability to SLT commitments for the company.
One of the areas that makes sense is to look closely at the payroll
which remains one of Digital's largest costs. There is certainly a
large unused vacation backlog which has already been accrued from prior
operational earnings. Maybe the over-simplification is that the
company knows 20 to 30% of employees would plan to take vacation these
two weeks, and by sending in the vacation cards in advance, reduce the
accrued vacation account and eliminate one weeks payroll for 25,000 to
30,000 people. This strategy could have a significant impact
particularly if we are within $20M of breakeven for the quarter. And,
at the risk of offending anyone many of these folks would probably take
vacation and send in the timeslip next year anyway.
The previous responses all touch on very real issues; however, we
should take notice that management of the company does seem to be
conducting the financial affairs of the company in our best interest.
The management of ALL Digital's assests is required to achieve our
longterm viability and near-term retrun to profit.
I planned on a XMAS vacation and will promptly send in my timeslip!
Happy Holidays......
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| 2813.7 | | RANGER::PANDYA | | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:13 | 11 |
| -< I concur >-
I concur with .6. BP's message is a very polite, earnest request
in the best interest of his company with respect for his employees.
Note he says it is voluntary...that means feel free to ignore the
request. However, he does want to bring out the fact that this minor
side issue can affect company's bottom line and he wants to seek
maximum help. Reading too much into it as to me going a little too
far.
-Atul
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| 2813.8 | Read between the lines, folks | SAHQ::LUBER | I have a Bobby Cox dart board | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:18 | 4 |
| I think that all of the replies so far have missed the point: notice
you have the option of taking off days without pay. I believe that
this message is intended to be lay the groundwork for a future,
non-optional days off without pay policy.
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| 2813.9 | | SAHQ::LUBER | I have a Bobby Cox dart board | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:23 | 2 |
| And, I might add that his memo shows and extrodinary lack of
sensitivity from someone who just received a $200,000 pay increase.
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| 2813.10 | Where's the savings? | TOOK::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dog face) | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:27 | 8 |
| Some one please help me out here (I was never much good with economics.)
How does taking accrued vacation prior to the end of the quarter help?
The weekly payroll doesn't differ, does it? (Unless overtime would result
from working those weeks instead.) Is it simply that it decreases the
amount the company "owes" in accrued vacation payroll?
-Jack
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| 2813.11 | | MUDHWK::LAWLER | MUDHWK(TM) | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:29 | 10 |
|
re .earlier
I believe "Non-optional" days off make an employee eligible for
unemployment during the shutdown period, where 'optional'
days off do not.
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| 2813.12 | smoke and mirrors | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:39 | 13 |
|
>Is it simply that it decreases the
>amount the company "owes" in accrued vacation payroll?
This came up during the discussion about the reduction in accrued
vacation policy some time ago. The answer is, yes, it just reduces
the amount the company "owes" in accrued vacation payroll. It's all
an accounting thing. I doubt that the material benefit is as good as
the accounting benefit. But of course, the stockholders, or the big
ones anyway, seem to only be concerned about what shows up in the
accounting reports.
Alfred
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| 2813.13 | Bean Counting Tricks | VFOVAX::BRAMBLETT | | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:41 | 9 |
|
This type of accounting has been done at other companies when trying
to make the books look better. Tandem Computer has also been known
to do this in the past. Basically, if we work and get paid salary, the
vacation is still a "liability" to the company.
Accounting trick yes, but not any different than tricks used by our
competition!
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| 2813.14 | | MSBCS::BROWN_L | | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:47 | 2 |
| Hmmm... sounds like Bob is tired of getting nickled and dimed to
death by TFSO'ers leaving with lots of accrued vacation time.
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| 2813.15 | don't understand | BOOKS::HAMILTON | All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box | Tue Dec 07 1993 17:00 | 9 |
|
I don't understand how taking vacation during the holidays would
affect Q2 profits. I can understand that using vacation will
help reduce the balance sheet (?) item payables, but unless people
take time without pay, how does it help Q2?
Can someone help me out with this?
Glenn
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| 2813.16 | WC4 time off without pay? | USHS05::VASAK | Sugar Magnolia | Tue Dec 07 1993 17:21 | 12 |
|
>* Accrued vacation, personal holiday, or time off without pay can be
> taken during this period.
Is it *possible* for WC4 employees to take time off without pay (other
than receiving a leav of absence)? My understanding is that this was
not possible.
/Rita
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| 2813.17 | An answer, I think | MRKTNG::BROCK | Son of a Beech | Tue Dec 07 1993 17:27 | 13 |
| To .-1
If you work during the weeks in question, your salary is an expense to
the corporation and is a charge aganist potential profitability.
If you vacation, you are paid from a balance sheet account called
'Accrued Vacation Liability' or some such. Earned but untaken vacation
time has to have money set aside for it. If you will, this earned
vacation time has probably already, in times past, been charged against
earnings.
The same amount of money leaves digital's bank account, surely. But in
the latter case, profitability is DIRECTLY improved by the amount of
your salary.
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| 2813.18 | | NETWKS::GASKELL | | Tue Dec 07 1993 17:36 | 7 |
| I was going to take that as vacation anyway. And I will be happy to
send in my vacation timecard a week ahead, if Payroll promises not to
screw up my paycheck (which they have done every time I have requested
advance vacation pay).
Bah $*#??@ Humbug!
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| 2813.19 | Only time will tell. | VFOVAX::BRAMBLETT | | Tue Dec 07 1993 17:48 | 7 |
|
Re: -16
I too question this. Last time I took LWOP, the system used up my
vacation time first.
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| 2813.20 | Definitely impacts immediate profitability | SMAUG::GARROD | From VMS -> NT, Unix a future page from history | Tue Dec 07 1993 20:01 | 18 |
| If you take a weeks vacation in Q2 Digital's before tax profits (we can
only hope) for Q2 will be higher by your weekly pay.
Basically vacation was expensed when you accrued it and became a
liability on the balance sheet. When you take vacation it is a balance
sheet only transaction ie ASSET = CASH goes down and LIABILITY =
ACCRUED VACATION goes down. Ie no expense.
If on the other hand you work the transactions are ASSET = CASH goes
down (just as before) and EXPENSE is generated which comes directly out
of Q2 profits. Taking vacation prevents this expense from happening.
The scary thing is that the company feels that the current value of
the revenue lost by you not being at work (ie profit) is less than the
expense saved because you are on vacation. But then again I guess they
feel that people tend to not be that productive around Christmas.
Dave
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| 2813.21 | What I think | TRACTR::WINANS | | Tue Dec 07 1993 23:20 | 5 |
|
I think it was nice of Bob to put in a gentle hint to get your
vacation hours under 200 by the new year.
m[]
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| 2813.22 | Some thoughts | ODIXIE::MOREAU | Ken Moreau;Sales Support;South FL | Wed Dec 08 1993 00:28 | 42 |
| There are some of us who believe that we can affect Digital's Q2 numbers
more by working than by taking vacation. As nicely worded as BP's letter
was, it was basically an insult; in effect telling us that we are more
valuable to the corporation when we are on vacation than when we are doing
our jobs.
RE: .-1
> I think it was nice of Bob to put in a gentle hint to get your
> vacation hours under 200 by the new year.
I know a significant number of people (I am one) who would not be able to
get their vacation time under 200 even by taking both of those weeks off.
RE: general
I am trying to save the company money as well. I am doing it by 1) working
to increase Digital's profitable business, and 2) allowing my vacation time
to overflow. By not accruing *any* additional vacation time (and thereby
not increasing the amount in the liability account which pays for vacation
time), I am doing my part to hold down costs.
Further:
> Key Points
> Voluntary Vacation Program
> * Program effective dates are the weeks of December 19 and 26.
> * Mission-critical work, revenue generation, and customer support must
> continue.
> * Time off for employees not involved in the above work is encouraged
> and approved during these weeks.
Tell me, what are the people who are not involved in "mission-critical,
revenue generation, and customer support" *DOING*? And how is what they
are doing helping this company? (By the way, I count Engineering in the
revenue generation area).
I would certainly approve some time off for "employees not involved in the
above work". Quite a lot of time off, as a matter of fact...
-- Ken Moreau
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| 2813.23 | Wait a minute! | LEVERS::DBROWN | | Wed Dec 08 1993 10:18 | 19 |
| re: last few
Ah, come on!
All the guy is asking is if you can or intend to take off those two
weeks, then turn in a timecard early enough to make it count on the
bottom line.
Also it's not an insult to ask us to determine if our work load will
permit us to take off a few days! Normally we work like crazy before
and after vacations to make up for the time off anyhow!
Finally, if we are convinced that we are so critical to the company
that it can not make it without us or that it could survive for a few days
without us then we should be let go something is seriously wrong
with our thinking.
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| 2813.24 | | SAHQ::LUBER | I have a Bobby Cox dart board | Wed Dec 08 1993 12:09 | 4 |
| I still believe this memo is intended to lay the groundwork for a
non-optional days off without pay policy. And I still hold that it is
extremely insensitive coming from a person who just took a $200,000 pay
increase.
|
| 2813.25 | | CSOA1::DWYER | RICK DWYER @CYO | Wed Dec 08 1993 12:48 | 3 |
| I wouldn't mind taking the time off, if I were sure that I wouldn't be
TFSO'd sometime soon. I use the accrued vacation as a cushion in the
event of layoff.
|
| 2813.26 | | WLDBIL::KILGORE | WLDBIL(tm) | Wed Dec 08 1993 13:03 | 7 |
|
.24> I still believe this memo is intended to lay the groundwork for a
.24> non-optional days off without pay policy.
Bob is much more direct than that,
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| 2813.27 | Management by Example | DASPHB::PBAXTER | | Wed Dec 08 1993 13:37 | 13 |
|
It would be nice to know if BP will be following his own
recommendation. By setting his own example he might encourage
others to follow in his footsteps without implying(sp) insult
to anyone's productivity. Also I'm quite sure that his 1-2
week's payroll expense reduction will be more that several of
us regular digits combined.
Also I was wondering if the 'program' included any childcare
provision so that my wife and I could go to the Caribbean.
Maybe the next 'Benefit Update' bulletin will refer to this.
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| 2813.28 | | LEDDEV::CHAKMAKJIAN | Shadow Nakahar of Erebouni | Wed Dec 08 1993 13:47 | 11 |
| Remember also that when you are on vacation, a labor job ticket is not filled
out charging your time to a particular effort for that day/week. So when
you take vacation now, you save the company escrowing more money for vacation
time and the monopoly money that your group charges to a particular project.
If everybody took the last two weeks off as vacation this year, the company
would save 2 weeks worth of charges against projects, so it looks like your
person to project expenditure goes down for the quarter.
If you take off with no pay, the company saves your salary, although you
still accrue vacation time, but you also do not charge to a project.
|
| 2813.29 | --- Imagine if... | 31318::GOLDSMITH_TH | SBS: Software by Satan | Wed Dec 08 1993 14:23 | 3 |
|
Suppose 80,000 people took 2 weeks off and noone noticed.
|
| 2813.30 | | SOFBAS::SHERMAN | C2508 | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:12 | 5 |
| Having been TFSOed on Monday, I am very happy that the company owes me
a month's vacation (pay).
kbs
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| 2813.31 | | TOOK::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dog face) | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:14 | 10 |
| re: .28
>If you take off with no pay, . . . you
>still accrue vacation time
I believe this is in error. Time off without pay is the same as LOA, during
which no additional vacation or other "benefits" (like service time) are
accrued. IANABCB, I believe this to be the case.
-Jack
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| 2813.32 | A little humor for the topic. | USCTR1::COLEARY | | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:29 | 30 |
| This remonds me of an old David Letterman top ten list.
Top Ten Signs a Company Is In Trouble
10. Big sign on lawn of main headquarters reads, "Will Paint any Car
for $29.95!"
9. Fancy French mustard replaced with bright yellow mustard
at last company picnic
8. Employees seen offering to squeegee windows of passing
motorists stopped at traffic light for $1
7. Last year's Christmas bonus was a "Li'l Tree" car air freshener
6. Two words: Bake Sale!
5. Most recent paycheck signed by John Sununu
4. Recent Wall Street Journal article says of company president,
"He's no Dan Quayle!"
3. Children in class laugh when your kids tell them
where Daddy works
2. Payroll department seen rolling up pennies
1. President's limo has vanity plate that now reads "BNKRPT"
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| 2813.33 | Accounting Magic 101 | STAR::PARKE | True Engineers Combat Obfuscation | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:54 | 28 |
| Re .15
I think the timing of the vacation cards is the real request being made.
If you take the vacation this year (7 days, last two weeks) and turn in
your card, they can decrease this quarters payroll, and pay from
"vacationroll". This is especially true of WC 4 employees (who cannot
volunteer for unpaid time off I believe, though the memo may allow this
too).
If you take the time off (as many had already planned) and turn in your
vacation cards in January (as I am sure we NEVEN do }8-)} ), WC4
employees are assummed to be "working" this quarter and the
"vacationroll" debit occurs in Q3.
A quick pass at this:
Assum salary in the range of $15 per hour
1000 Employees take 7 days at $120 per day, or $840 per 7 days,
which gives $840,000 off the EXPENSE bottom line of salary
since you are paid from VACATIONROLL
10,000 employees make this 8.4 MILLION.
For accounting tricks, divide this against the outstanding shares to
come up with the number yealded in EPS by this "trick" for the benefit
of the institutions and wall street shops who only care about this to
say DEC (oops, DIGITAL) is good stuff.
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| 2813.34 | Anf if everyone... | STAR::PARKE | True Engineers Combat Obfuscation | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:57 | 8 |
| Add to .33
90,000 employees for 1 day on vacation is $10,800,000 in non salary if
$15 is a fair "average" of the corp.
(all you need is 2 or three VP's to make the $15 if everyone else
averages $8 }8-)} )
|
| 2813.35 | Merry Xmas and pass the Endust | BWICHD::SILLIKER | Crocodile sandwich-make it snappy | Wed Dec 08 1993 18:18 | 7 |
| 2813.36 | limits to vacation? | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Thu Dec 09 1993 03:19 | 11 |
| re: a few back
someone mentioned getting accrued vacation to less than 200 hours by
the first of the new year.
I understood that the limit to vacation accrual was extende to Jan of
'95... what gives?
at present I have something over 300 hours accrued... will I lose a
bunch if I fail to take vacation by Jan 1.
tony
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| 2813.37 | Ready, aim... | MNCHKN::SUMNER | | Thu Dec 09 1993 03:36 | 31 |
| Okay, I'll bite...
No raise here this year either (yet!) :) but I'm a bit tired of
listening to y'all beat this $200k race horse into the ground. Ever
wonder what the corp would look like _without_ all the changes of the
past year? If you're really _that_ sour about a pay raise to vocalize
extreme paranoia (IMO) on this vacation memo then maybe it _is_ time to
polish up the resume' and start passing it around, TFSO threat or not.
As I see it, under the current Orange book rules (max hours and
reasonable notice) vacation time is _still_ mine to use as I please. It
just so happens that I'm taking a week off anyhow (planned MONTHS ago) but
I like the idea that we're being encouraged to take some time to relax and
try to enjoy the holidays. Even with the previously stated creative
accounting strategies I really doubt a few (extra) weeks of vacation will
make or break us but it will probably help to make the bottom line look
better. If you're going to tear the memo apart and search for the hidden
meaning, you must have one heluva time sleeping after watching the evening
news.
The truth be told, I don't think the vacation memo went far enough.
How many people do you think will actually perform meaningful, productive
work during the three days betweem Christmas and New Years??? Wouldn't
the corp save big(ger) bucks by closing down all but essential and/or
direct revenue based services? Imagine the electric cost savings alone!
Or do y'all think it's better to work a few half-a**ed days when most
everybody else is gone, and take those much needed vacation days in July?
Sounds to me like the hidden meaning of all this complaining is to squeeze
out a few extra days of vacation (or slack time)...
Duck and cover...
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| 2813.38 | | SUBURB::VEALES::VEALES | More Undercompensated | Thu Dec 09 1993 07:10 | 7 |
|
I can picture it already..
1993 n employees take voluntary vacation
1994 all employees forced to take vacation - company says nobody minds because n employees
did it voluntarily last year...
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| 2813.39 | someone has to pay for $200K!!! | CSC32::R_HARVEY | | Thu Dec 09 1993 10:08 | 9 |
|
Hay! come on now...where is your company spirit?? BP gets $200K
and YOU get time off WITHOUT pay if you want it!!! what a deal!
What a guy.....
rth
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| 2813.40 | The straw to break the camels' back? | ASDG::SBILL | | Thu Dec 09 1993 10:56 | 9 |
| What about this scenario...
I think this may be a a last ditch effort to push us into the plus side
of zero this quarter. This could mean that they think it's going to be
really close and they are trying everything they can think of to push us
over the top. I mean, how much difference do they really expect this to
make?
Steve
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| 2813.41 | Needed fewer lines to read between | STAR::DIPIRRO | | Thu Dec 09 1993 11:48 | 6 |
| I think .23 had it right and that BP's memo should have been short
and sweet...something like...
Many people plan to take time off around the holiday season. If you
plan to do so, please try to turn in your time cards before XXX as this
has direct impact on the Q2 P&L. Thank-you and happy holidays to all!
|
| 2813.42 | | SAHQ::LUBER | I have a Bobby Cox dart board | Thu Dec 09 1993 11:56 | 3 |
| I think it would have been that short and sweet had that been the
intent of the memo. Reply .38 missed 1995 -- Digital employees given
two weeks Christmas furlough without pay.
|
| 2813.43 | Conspiracy theories get tiresome... | NOVA::SWONGER | DBS Software Quality Engineering | Thu Dec 09 1993 12:04 | 28 |
| Of *course* this is an effort to put Q2 in the black. I see nothing
wrong with that. Then again, I don't subscribe to paranoid
conspiracy theories like those being espoused here (as if the
company would need to set up a mandatory Xmas shut-down by having a
voluntary one the previous year).
Look, the memo went to great pains to say that this is voluntary.
The purpose is obviously
- to make sure that people get their time cards in *before* they
take the vacation, so that it comes off the books in this quarter
- to make sure that everybody knows that vacation is explicitly
approved from the higehst level of the company, with the exception
of "critical or revenue-producing" areas
How much could this affect the bottom line? Well, if you figure
an average of about $700 weekly salary per employee, and about
20,000 people took a week of vacation you're talking $14,000,000.
Adjust the numbers either way, and you're talking anywhere between
$5 and $20 million dollars. In one quarter. I don't pretend to know
the accounting rules and how this would directly affect quarterly
profit or loss, but it's a significant sum of money.
It's hardly ominous or sinister, unless you want to make it that
way.
Roy
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| 2813.44 | at least be accurate | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Thu Dec 09 1993 12:31 | 10 |
| as bad as it is, can y'all stop exaggerating so much?
BP's raise was 20 PERCENT... not 200,000 DOLLARS! He went from 750,000
per annum to 900,000 per annum (base pay). I think that's a raise of
150,000 dollars, not 200,000.
I know... I know... who's counting!
tony
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| 2813.45 | Is it a double booking ? | STAR::PARKE | True Engineers Combat Obfuscation | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:30 | 30 |
| After talking with a few people, I wonder if there is a double whammy in
the charge off of vacation in this quarter.
Correct me if I'm wrong but
1) Vacation accrued is a liability (to be paid sometime) by the
corporation.
2) PayRoll is a direct expense against the quarter, VacationRoll is not.
Now the magic:
Reduce Liabilities by X (Vacation dollars payed out)
Reduce Payroll by X (VacationRoll payed out)
Yealds 2X (Income - (liabilities + payroll)) ?
Also, does anyone know the number of shares outstanding ?
If it's 200,000,000 shares outstanding (not Treasury), then
$2,000,000 makes one cent a share "profit", $20,000,000 means $.10
which looks meaningful against a red previous quarter.
If we can get the bean counting bozos off our back with this so we can
create product, which is the REAL creator of wealth, I'm at least
moderately for the games everyone else has been playing for years so why
shouldn't we ?
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| 2813.46 | Ghosts of Christmas Past... | TALLIS::PARADIS | There's a feature in my soup! | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:48 | 16 |
| > I think it would have been that short and sweet had that been the
> intent of the memo. Reply .38 missed 1995 -- Digital employees given
> two weeks Christmas furlough without pay.
Yeah... that line about "voluntary time off without pay" brought back
memories of another company I worked for. This company was badly
managed, and for a while had a tradition of doing massive rounds of
layoffs right after the Christmas party. One year, instead of layoffs,
they gave everybody a two-week unpaid furlough. This was right after I
had bought my house, too! (ouch!).
Voluntary or not, when the CEO "encourages" everyone to take a
"volunary" action, there's gotta be a message in there somewhere...
--jim
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| 2813.47 | reading between the lines can be a mistake | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Thu Dec 09 1993 14:05 | 10 |
|
> Voluntary or not, when the CEO "encourages" everyone to take a
> "volunary" action, there's gotta be a message in there somewhere...
See topic 2750. I do not think there *has* to be a message in
it more then that it is what it says it is. This is a good time
to take vacation, so take it, but be sure in get your paperwork
in on time so the company gets the most benefit from it.
Alfred
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| 2813.48 | turn your card in BEFORE YOU GO! | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Thu Dec 09 1993 14:32 | 16 |
| .2 said:
> -< It could be worse >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The Ferney-Voltaire (France) management proposed - and the workers approved,
>via a work council vote - two days of *involuntary* vacation, so the office
>could be shut down during the upcoming Christmas period.
>
>Some years ago, Apollo Computer had a pay reduction, which was
>implemented by forced vacation for some, lower paychecks for others.
I think it's great that the management and the workers TOGETHER are
participating in the decision to close the office. I'll bet that there
are plenty of places where no useful work is accomplished during the
holidays.
Mark
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| 2813.49 | Is it official? | CLO::MARES | you get what you settle for | Thu Dec 09 1993 14:39 | 6 |
| Has anybody seen this memo come down through their management chain?
I am out in the field and have not heard/seen word one on this.
Randy Mares
Cleveland, Ohio
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| 2813.50 | | SPECXN::BLEY | | Thu Dec 09 1993 14:49 | 35 |
|
Somebody should take this note and send it to the SLT. I am
amazed at the show of low moral and lack of trust. Is this company
REALLY this far down...that we can't even send out a simple, well
meaning memo without every possible bad thing being said about it.
COME ON PEOPLE....GET A LIFE!!!
TFSO may very well happen after the first of the year, but isn't it
better than now, or only x people TFSO'd instead 2x people. If taking
a few days vacation will help....JUST DO IT...and make sure your time
card is turned in WELL IN ADVANCE.
And all of you who believe that you are bringing in revenue (I and am
not saying that you are not), how many of our customers are going to be
at work those days anyway. I know ALOT of companies who totally close
down for those two weeks...no choice by the employee...the company is
closed...NOBODY WORKS.
As far as BP and/or VP's taking off, if they cannot show how their
being here (drawing salary and acruing vacation), well INCREASE the
bottom line and not DECREASE it, then they should be FORCED to take
vacation. I say forced because at their level they will certainly
have more of an impact than us peeons, and that is one of the draw-
backs to being a manager.
Now...don't start throwing ***stuff*** at me, this is an open notes
file, and this is simply my opinion...FWIW!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL
And may the new year bring better things for all of us
|
| 2813.51 | | CUPMK::T_THEO | Look Twice, Save a Life | Thu Dec 09 1993 15:19 | 12 |
| Re .49
It's official, I received copies from both my coach and my business
leader. They encouraged their reports to take vacation time and
also indicated that voluntary "unpayed" vacation time was an option.
I personally always take the week between Christmas and New Years
as vacation time. This year it works out to 10 days off having only
burned off 3 days of vacation. I know I benefit from it and if I'm
helping the company in doing so, all the better.
Tim
|
| 2813.52 | Another twist | POWDML::MACINTYRE | | Thu Dec 09 1993 16:13 | 12 |
| My management passed it on two days after I saw it in here. One
interesting was my (ha!) V.P. added a little note endorsing this action
and she went on to say (paraphrase):
I encourage everyone to take vacation over this period or unpaid
days off for those WITHOUT accruded vacation available.
My take on this is that if you have vacation days on the books, you
cannot not take off any unpaid days.
Marv
|
| 2813.53 | Ok, it's just a rumor | CSOA1::PROIE | | Thu Dec 09 1993 16:32 | 8 |
| Hey, Look at the bright side:
If you take the whole two weeks then you can't be one of the 10,000 or
so people who are supposed to be layed off on December 20th (layoff
numbers courteous of rumorist Charlie Matco of the Digital News & Review).
or:
Take the temporary vacation to miss the permanent one.
|
| 2813.54 | | RAYNAL::KOVNER | Everything you know is wrong! | Thu Dec 09 1993 16:33 | 9 |
| I got this once (first) unofficially; and officially later.
My take on it is that some managers might not want to let people take vacation
at this time; this is a "suggestion" that they allow it if it does not directly
affect revenue or customer support.
Also, it tells people to get their vacation cards in on time. (I know I'll
do that; it might be a first time for me.)
|
| 2813.55 | | NOVA::SWONGER | DBS Software Quality Engineering | Thu Dec 09 1993 16:48 | 12 |
| > I encourage everyone to take vacation over this period or unpaid
> days off for those WITHOUT accruded vacation available.
>
> My take on this is that if you have vacation days on the books, you
> cannot not take off any unpaid days.
This is an example of you assuming the worst. It could simply mean
that your VP wanted to explicitly allow people without accrued
vacation to take the unpaid time off. Why not find out for sure if
you're interested, rather than assuming?
Roy
|
| 2813.56 | | POWDML::MACINTYRE | | Thu Dec 09 1993 17:17 | 21 |
|
re .55 Roy
The following is the exact text from the V.P. who forwarded the BP memo
to our group.
As with just about all official Digital communications, this does seem
to be open to interpretation. I suppose the fault is mine for reading
it wrong rather than the fault being due to poor writing.
In any case, I read it to be a notice that those with vacation who
wished to take time off *HAD TO USE VACATION* rather than electing to
take off without pay.
>I support the use of accrued vacation time during the slow Holiday
>period. I also support days off without pay for anyone who does not
>have any accrued vacation time.
How would you (collective) understand these two sentences?
Marv
|
| 2813.57 | | NASZKO::MACDONALD | | Thu Dec 09 1993 17:19 | 14 |
|
Re: .52
>>I encourage everyone to take vacation over this period or unpaid
>>days off for those WITHOUT accruded vacation available.
> My take on this is that if you have vacation days on the books, you
> cannot not take off any unpaid days.
It could also mean that if you had vacation time she would not expect
you to sacrifice any more for the company by taking unpaid time.
Steve
|
| 2813.58 | referring back to the memo from the top | CTHQ::DWESSELS | | Thu Dec 09 1993 17:29 | 21 |
| extracts from Bob's memo:
> Additionally, during these two weeks, employees will also be given the
> option of taking days off without pay, if they wish.
> Profit goals are supported by reducing accrued vacation time and
> favorably impacting payroll expenses.
> * Profit goals are supported when accrued vacation is reduced and
> payroll expenses are eliminated.
> * Accrued vacation, personal holiday, or time off without pay can
> be taken during this period.
These statements would not seem to deny a person who has accrued
vacation to take unpaid time off without using vacation hours first.
Unpaid time off eliminates a payroll expense.
mtcw,
/dlw
|
| 2813.59 | milegage will vary 50-70% | MEMIT::SILVERBERG_M | Mark Silverberg MLO1-5/B98 | Thu Dec 09 1993 18:28 | 12 |
| These 2 weeks have 10 regular working days, but with the 3 holidays
included, we're down to 7 days of possible vacation days that can
be taken. Take away a personal holiday (for those like me who keep
it until the end of the year, the location choice holiday (for those
sites that don't take Patriots Day (MASS.)), and you're down to 5
potential vacation days to be taken. For those who have already taken
those paid holidays off, you're down to 7, for folks like me, I'm down
to 5. Anyone who thinks the savings will be 10 days worth isn't
considering the details.
Mark
|
| 2813.60 | TAXES | SOLVIT::KALAGHER | | Thu Dec 09 1993 18:34 | 9 |
|
One other thing and I am surprised no one has picked up on this
yet. If you put in for vacation for the week between Christmas
and New Years, (week ending 1/1/94) You will receive that check
on 12/23/93 as advanced vacation pay. That weeks check would normally
be paid on 1/6/94. This will make 1993 a 53 week year for taxes.
This may be good or bad for you depending on your situation.
JIM
|
| 2813.61 | | ARCANA::CONNELLY | Aack!! Thppft! | Thu Dec 09 1993 19:05 | 11 |
|
re: .60
Submitting the card before you go on vacation is not the same as requesting
advanced vacation pay. I read Bob's request as for just the first, not the
second also.
It definitely seems to be a sign that the honeymoon is long over for the
new leadership team that folks (NOT meaning .60 but some of the others) are
imputing such sinister motives to this.
- paul
|
| 2813.62 | Vacation pay in advance? | MIMS::HUNT_B | | Thu Dec 09 1993 19:06 | 7 |
| Where does it say anything about receiving your paycheck as advance
vacation pay? Normally you fill out a special block on the time card
in order to get advance vacation pay. By turning in your time card in
advance, I would not think that would mean you get paid in advance, unless
you fill out the advance vacation slots on the time card.
Bing
|
| 2813.63 | | RUSURE::MELVIN | Ten Zero, Eleven Zero Zero by Zero 2 | Thu Dec 09 1993 23:17 | 10 |
| >
> These statements would not seem to deny a person who has accrued
> vacation to take unpaid time off without using vacation hours first.
Someone in my management chain feels that it does. If you have vacation time,
you use that first... then you can try to opt for the 'no pay' line. If that
is NOT what is meant, then someone in management should correct the
phrasing; otherwise people that might have done the 'no pay' wouldn't.
|
| 2813.64 | How 'bout "Virtual Vacation"? | TOOK::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dog face) | Thu Dec 09 1993 23:39 | 7 |
| Personally, I was pleased to see that Bob didn't suggest we put in for
vacation pay but come to work anyway, and actually take the hours off at
some later, more convenient time.
Kinda has a "Jack Smith" ring to it . . .
-Jack
|
| 2813.65 | Jan 1996 for 200 hour limit | TOOHOT::LEEDS | From VAXinated to Alphaholic | Fri Dec 10 1993 00:14 | 32 |
| re: .36 and others -
This is NOT an attempt to get vacation time down to 200 hours by 1994 !!
We have 2 more years for that.
Last I checked on VTX (and a reminder on our paychecks for w/e 8/28/93)
we have until JANUARY 1, 1996 (2 years from now) to get down to 5 weeks
vacation.
The paycheck reminder said:
" Vacation policy change: Effective January 1996, the vacation policy
will change to a 5 week maximum accrual. Refer to personnel policy
4.03, vacation, for details".
From VTX ORANGEBOOK, section 4.03 :
| VACATION ACCUMULATION CHANGE NOTICE
| Effective January 1996, the Vacation Policy will be revised to
| establish a 5 week maximum on unused vacation for all employees,
| regardless of their years of service.
| As with the current policy, accrual vacation hours will stop when
| the maximum is reached. It will resume when vacation hours are
| taken and unused hours drop below the maximum.
Arlan
|
| 2813.66 | | 11SRUS::MICKALIDE | | Fri Dec 10 1993 11:31 | 4 |
| .53
I had heard that the TFSO was to be on Tuesday the 14th with the
10,000 figure.
|
| 2813.67 | Q2 close pushed back..... | NDLVAX::MTANNER | D'ye ken John plunk | Fri Dec 10 1993 11:59 | 16 |
|
re - a long while back
Somebody mentioned the possibilty taht Q2 results may not bee looking
good.... I just heard that (here in Germany) the Q2 cut off is being
moved to DEC 31st, after it had been agreed quite a while ago that this
cut off would be before all the Cristmas breaks.
My immediate reaction was........oh dear, another bad quarter?
But then again, I could be wrong. All I know is that I am on standby
over Christmas and have to support european finance. Oh sh*t!
Cheers,
Mark.
|
| 2813.68 | | GIDDAY::QUODLING | | Mon Dec 13 1993 03:45 | 20 |
| When , oh when will the dweebs at the top realize, that we downsized
enough over a couple of years back (on the first or second pass).
Everything since is reaction to not having enough people, ergo not
enough business done, ergo not enough income, ergo get rid of more
people. It's a death spiral that has to be broken. Notably, there is
now a significant number of people just leaving DEC, TFSO or no, out of
pure frustration. These are talented technical people, who have grown
tired of a leadership team who think working out what limo service to
use, is a hard decision to make...
OF course, the other frightening thing is the number of people that
they are attempting to blackmail into leaving, without TFSO. i.e. jobs
goes away, you can always sweep the floor, No? Then leave. IF this
happens (someone quits rather than being TFSO-ed, they can refill the
headcount whereas with a TFSO, they cant - except of course, when they
hire contractors to do what the Digit was doing...
Peter Q.
|
| 2813.69 | stay with the facts. | ICS::VERMA | | Mon Dec 13 1993 12:18 | 7 |
|
Re .67
The official Digital FY94 Calendar shows week 26, which is the end
of Q2, ending on 1/1/94 and NOT before X-mas.
That is the official quarterly closing date for Q2, period.
|
| 2813.70 | | BSS::CODE3::BANKS | Not in SYNC -> SUNK | Mon Dec 13 1993 19:12 | 9 |
| Re: <<< Note 2813.69 by ICS::VERMA >>>
> The official Digital FY94 Calendar shows week 26, which is the end
> of Q2, ending on 1/1/94 and NOT before X-mas.
Do overseas subsidiaries *have* to use the same set of dates? The author of
.67 is in Germany so perhaps they do things differently there.
- David
|
| 2813.71 | Closing dates | EICMFG::MMCCREADY | Mike McCready Digital-PCS | Tue Dec 14 1993 04:58 | 5 |
| Since the corporation presents world-wide consolidated statements of
operations (roll-up), non-USA subsidiaries can and do close their books
earlier than the USA, as far as I know.
Mike
|
| 2813.72 | Maybe cutoffs are not the same... | NDLVAX::MTANNER | D'ye ken John plunk | Tue Dec 14 1993 06:26 | 13 |
|
Germany were going to close before Xmas - I think the week beginning
20/12 but I know there's a lot of talk about Q2 losses, so maybe that's
why it's going back.
I used to work in the UK and I'm pretty sure that the Q cutoffs were
not always in line with the corp. fiscal cutoffs.
Could be wrong though - it has been known before, once or twice :-)
Cheers,
Mark.
|
| 2813.73 | | DEMING::GARDNER | justme....jacqui | Tue Dec 14 1993 14:41 | 7 |
|
the next reply is loooooong for window users. it contains all
you wanted to know and more about how to do your timecard properly
this holiday season.
justme....jacqui
|
| 2813.74 | TIME.CARDS | DEMING::GARDNER | justme....jacqui | Tue Dec 14 1993 14:42 | 1359 |
|
The following package includes detailed time reporting instructions for
employees wishing to take vacation and/or time off without pay during the
holiday period.
The table of contents will allow users to access only those sections that
are in question.
Please distribute this to those reviewing and approving timecards to assist
employees who may have questions. This document is not being sent to all
employees because of its size.
We have shown examples of many different scenarios, but we could not possibly
illustrate every possible example.
Please be aware that employees' voluntary deductions may be affected when they
do not work a full week.
o PERSONAL HOLIDAY - Employees who have not yet taken their 1993 Personal
Holiday should do so by filling out a timecard prior to
w/e 1/1/94. (this card must be submitted by Thursday,
Dec. 30)
o VACATION HOURS - The sample timecards included show vacation hours in
full-day increments, it is of course possible to take
vacation hours less than a full-day, as long as hourly
segments are reported.
Please use the Table of Contents shown on the following page:
***************************************************************************
Please use the following for easy reference:
Section Page #
WAGE CLASS 2
Vacation Pay (w/e 12/25) 2
(w/e 1/1) 3
Advance Vacation (w/e 12/25) 4
(w/e 1/1) 5
(w/e 12/25 & 1/1) 6
Time Off Without Pay (w/e 12/25) 7
(w/e 1/1) 8
WAGE CLASS 3
Vacation Pay (w/e 12/25) 9
(w/e 1/1) 10
Advance Vacation (w/e 12/25) 11
(w/e 1/1) 12
(w/e 12/25 & 1/1) 13
Time Off Without Pay (w/e 12/25) 14
(w/e 1/1) 15
WAGE CLASS 4
Vacation Pay (w/e 12/25) 16
(w/e 1/1) 17
Advance Vacation (w/e 12/25) 18
(w/e 1/1) 19
(w/e 12/25 & 1/1) 20
Time Off Without Pay
(entire wk of 12/25) 21
(partial wk of 12/25) 22
(entire wk of 1/1) 23
(partial wk of 1/1) 24
***********************************************************************
If you need assistance please contact Payroll Customer Service via
Vaxmail at CANON::PAY_QUESTION, or by All-in-1 to PAY_QUESTION @PKO
-PAGE 1-
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
** VACATION **
Week-Ending 12/25/93 (PLEASE SUBMIT THIS CARD BY WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 22)
This is how you report vacation time you have accrued.
The following example shows an employee who takes vacation on Monday
and Tuesday, they work on Wednesday and Thursday and have the
Friday holiday.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| | |16 | 8 | | | | | |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
-PAGE 2-
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
** VACATION **
*Week-Ending 1/1/94 (PLEASE SUBMIT THIS CARD BY THURSDAY, DECEMBER 30)
This is how you report vacation time you have accrued.
In this example the employee uses vacation time on Tuesday, they
work Wednesday and Thursday and have their holiday on Monday and
Friday.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| | | 8 | 16| | | | | |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 3 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION: 12/25/93 (This card must be submitted by Friday,
December 10)
If you wish to use ADVANCE VACATION please complete your timecard as
follows: (you must take this in 40 hour increments).
If you will be on vacation on w/e 12/25:
Fill out the w/e 12/11 information as you usually would, putting in
your in and out working hours. The Advance Vacation section in the bottom
left of you time card should be filled out as shown below. Please total
all columns.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/11/93 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 1 |Mult 40 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 40| |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|12/25/93 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 8 | | |32 | 80.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive two payments on Thursday, December 16, one for
your w/e 12/11/93 hours and an additional payment for your w/e 12/25/93
vacation. You will receive no pay on w/e 12/25 (Thursday, Dec. 30).
Please remember to submit a timecard for w/e 12/18 in order to be paid for
that week.
- PAGE 4 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION: 1/1/94 (This timecard must be submitted by Friday,
December 17)
If you will be on vacation on w/e 1/1/94:
Fill out the w/e 12/18 information as you usually would, putting in
your in and out working hours. The Advance Vacation section in the bottom
left of your time card should be filled out as shown below. Please total
all columns.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/18/93 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 1 |Mult 40 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 40| |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| 1/1/94 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 16| | |24 | 80.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive two payments on Thursday, December 23, one for
your w/e 12/18/93 hours and an additional payment for your w/e 1/1/94 vacation.
Since you have already been paid for w/e 1/1/94 you will receive no pay
on w/e 1/1/94 (Thursday, Jan. 6). Please remember to submit a timecard for
w/e 12/25 in order to be paid for that week.
- PAGE 5 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION: 12/25 and 1/1/94 (This card must be submitted by
Friday, December 10)
If you will be on vacation on w/e 12/25 AND w/e 1/1:
Fill out the w/e 12/11 information as you usually would, putting in
your in and out working hours. The Advance Vacation section in the bottom
left of you time card should be filled out as shown below. Please total
all columns.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/11/93 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 2 |Mult 80 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 40| | 40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|12/25/93 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 24| | |56 | 120.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive three payments on Thursday, December 16, one for
your w/e 12/11/93 hours, one for your w/e 12/25/93 vacation, and another
for your w/e 1/1/94 vacation. This means that you will receive no pay on
w/e 12/25 (Thursday, Dec. 30) and on w/e 1/1 (Thursday, Jan. 6). Please
remember to submit a timecard for w/e 12/18 in order to be paid for that week.
- PAGE 6 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY on week-ending 12/25/93: (This card must be submitted
by Wednesday, December 22)
Submit timecard indicating the hours which you should be paid, make sure
you write the hours in the appropriate column "regular hour, vacation,
holiday, etc." and write "no pay" on the days which you should not be paid.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| 8 |24.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 7 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 2
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY on week-ending 1/1/94: (This card must be submitted
by Thursday, December 30)
Submit timecard indicating the hours which you should be paid, make sure
you write the hours in the appropriate column "regular hour, vacation,
holiday, etc." and write "no pay" on the days which you should not be paid.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 2 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 8| 16 |24.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 8 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
** VACATION **
Week-Ending 12/25/93 (This card must be submitted by Wednesday,
December 22)
This shows how you should report accrued vacation taken.
In the following example the employee takes vacation on Monday and
Tuesday, they work on Wednesday and Thursday and have the holiday on Friday.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| | |16 | 8 | | | | | |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 9 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
** VACATION **
*Week-Ending 1/1/94 (This card must be submitted by Thursday, December 30)
This shows how you should report accrued vacation taken.
In this example the employee takes vacation on Tuesday, they work on
Wednesday and Thursday and have their holiday on Monday and Friday.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| | | 8 | 16| | | | | |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 10 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION:
If you wish to use ADVANCE VACATION please complete your timecard as
follows: (you must take this in 40 hour increments).
If you will be on vacation on w/e 12/25: (This card must be submitted
by Friday, December 10)
Fill out the w/e 12/11 information as you usually would, putting in
your in and out working hours. The Advance Vacation section in the bottom
left of you time card should be filled out as shown below. Please total
all columns.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/11/93 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 1 |Mult 40 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 40| |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|12/25/93 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 8 | | |32 | 80.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive two payments on Thursday, December 16, one for
your w/e 12/11/93 hours and an additional payment for your w/e 12/25/93
vacation. This means that you will receive no pay on w/e 12/25
(Thursday, Dec. 30).
- PAGE 11 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION:
If you will be on vacation on w/e 1/1/94: (This timecard must be submitted
by Friday, December 17)
Fill out the w/e 12/18 information as you usually would, putting in
your in and out working hours. The Advance Vacation section in the bottom
left of you time card should be filled out as shown below. Please total
all columns.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/18/93 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 1 |Mult 40 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 40| |40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| 1/1/94 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 16| | |24 | 80.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive two payments on Thursday, December 23, one for
your w/e 12/18/93 hours and an additional payment for your w/e 1/1/94 vacation.
Since you have already been paid for w/e 1/1/94 you will receive no pay
on w/e 1/1/94 (Thursday, Jan. 6).
- PAGE 12 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION:
If you will be on vacation on w/e 12/25 AND w/e 1/1: (This card must be
submitted by Friday, December 10)
Fill out the w/e 12/11 information as you usually would, putting in
your in and out working hours. The Advance Vacation section in the bottom
left of you time card should be filled out as shown below. Please total
all columns.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/11/93 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 2 |Mult 80 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 40| | 40.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|12/25/93 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 24| | |56 | 120.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive three payments on Thursday, December 16, one for
your w/e 12/11/93 hours, one for your w/e 12/25/93 vacation, and another
for your w/e 1/1/94 vacation. This means that you will receive no pay on
w/e 12/25 (Thursday, Dec. 30) and on w/e 1/1 (Thursday, Jan. 6).
- PAGE 13 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY on week-ending 12/25/93: (Please submit this card by
Wednesday, December 22)
Submit timecard indicating the hours which you should be paid, make sure
you write the hours in the appropriate column "regular hour, vacation,
holiday, etc." and write "no pay" on the days which you should not be paid.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| 8 |24.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 14 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 3
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY on week-ending 1/1/94: (Please submit this card
by Thursday, December 30)
Submit timecard indicating the hours which you should be paid, make sure
you write the hours in the appropriate column "regular hour, vacation,
holiday, etc." and write "no pay" on the days which you should not be paid.
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 3 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| 8| 12| 1| 5| | | | 8| | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | 0
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 8| 16 |24.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 15 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
** VACATION **
Week-Ending 12/25/93 (This card must be submitted by Wednesday, December 22)
If you wish to take any of your accrued vacation on week-ending 12/25/93
please fill out your timecard as follows:
In this example the employee works on Monday and Tuesday, they take
vacation on Wednesday and Thursday and have the Friday holiday. The
16 regular hours worked on Monday and Tuesday will automatically be paid.
This person will be paid for 40 hours. (If Standby needs to be reported
all hours must be shown, including regular hours)
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| | 16 8 |24.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 16 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
** VACATION **
Week-Ending 1/1/94 (This card must be submitted by Thursday, December 30)
If you wish to take any of your accrued vacation on week-ending 1/1/94
please fill out your timecard as follows:
In this example the employees works on Tuesday, they take vacation on
Wednesday and Thursday and have the Monday and Friday holiday. The
8 regular hours worked on Tuesday will automatically be paid.
This person will be paid for 40 hours. (If Standby needs to be reported
all hours must be shown, including regular hours)
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| | 16 16 | 32.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 17 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION:
If you wish to use ADVANCE VACATION please complete your timecard as
follows: (you must take this in 40 hour increments).
If you wish to take advance vacation on w/e 12/25:
(This card must be submitted by Friday, December 10)
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/11/93 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 1 |Mult 40 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| | |
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|12/25/93 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 8 | | |32 | 40.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive two payments on Thursday, December 16, one for
your w/e 12/11/93 regular hours and an additional payment for your w/e
12/25/93 vacation. This means that you will receive no pay on w/e 12/25
(Thursday, Dec. 30).
- PAGE 18 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION:
If you wish to take Advance Vacation for w/e 1/1/94:
(This card must be submitted by Friday, December 17)
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/18/93 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 1 |Mult 40 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| | |
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|1/1/94 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 16| | |24 | 40.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive two payments on Thursday, December 23, one for
your w/e 12/18/93 regular hours and an additional payment for your w/e
1/1/94 vacation. This means that you will receive no pay on w/e 1/1/94
(Thursday, Jan. 6).
- PAGE 19 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
** ADVANCE VACATION:
If you wish to take advance vacation for BOTH w/e 12/25/93 AND 1/1/94:
(This card must be submitted by Friday, December 10)
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/11/93 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| 2 |Mult 80 |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| | |
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
|12/25/93 | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | 24| | |56 | 80.00
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
This means you will receive three payments on Thursday, December 16, one for
your w/e 12/11/93 regular hours, one for your w/e 12/25/93 vacation and
another for your w/e 1/1/94 vacation. This means that you will receive no
pay on w/e 12/25 (Thursday, Dec. 30) or w/e 1/1/94 (Thursday, Jan. 6).
- PAGE 20 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY:
o For w/e 12/25: (This card must be submitted by Wednesday, December 22)
In this example the employee indicates no hours worked on December
20 through 23:
In this case, submit a timecard showing 8 REGULAR hours for Friday,
December 24. Do not indicate HOLIDAY, because if HOLIDAY hours are
submitted your time will be incorrectly reported.
For this scenario the timecard would have to be filled out
as shown below:
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 8 | | 8.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 21 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY:
o For w/e 12/25: (This card must be submitted by Wednesday, December 22)
In this example the employee works Less than a full week on
December 20 through 23:
The timecard would indicate regular hours for any days worked and 8 REGULAR
hours for Friday, December 24. Do not indicate HOLIDAY, because if
HOLIDAY hours are submitted your time will be incorrectly reported.
(this means you will not be paid for any days not reported)
This example shows an employee who works 8 hours on Monday only:
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 12/25/93 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| | 16.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 22 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY:
o For w/e 1/1/94: (This timecard must be submitted by Thursday, December 30)
In this example the employee has no hours worked on December 28 through 30:
A timecard showing 8 REGULAR hours for Monday, December 27
as well as 8 REGULAR hours for Friday, December 31 would be submitted.
Do not indicate HOLIDAY, because if HOLIDAY hours are submitted
your time will be incorrectly reported.
The timecard for this scenario would look as follows:
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 16| | 16.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 23 -
++++++++++++
WAGE CLASS 4
++++++++++++
TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY: (This timecard must be submitted by Thursday,
December 30)
In this example the employee works less than a full week on
December 28 through 30:
A timecard showing regular hours for any days worked in addition
to 8 REGULAR hours for Monday, December 27 and 8 REGULAR hours for Friday,
December 31 would be submitted.
(this means you will not be paid for any days not reported)
Do not indicate HOLIDAY, because if HOLIDAY hours are submitted
your time will be incorrectly reported.
The timecard would look as follows:
Sample:
--------------------------------------------------------------
|Badge | Name | CC | Site | SH | Status | Weekending| WC|
|xxxxx | x. xxxxx |xxx | xxx | x | xxx | 1/1/94 | 4 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day|Morning/afternoon/overtime|Reg|OT |Sk|Vac|Hol|PH|CH|St|MS|CD|Total
| |IN |OUT|IN |OUT|IN |OUT| | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sun| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Mon| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tue| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Wed| | | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Thu| | | NO PAY | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Fri| | | | | | | | 8 | | | | | | | | | | 8.00
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Sat| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Advance |Number| |Mult |
|Vacation |of wks| |by S.W.W.| 24| | 24.00
| | | | | |---------------------------------------------
| | Hol|P.hol|C.hol|Vac|Employee Supervisor Card Total
| | | | | |
|_________|____|_____|_____|___|_____________________________________________
- PAGE 24 -
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| 2813.75 | Thanks to .74 | ABACUS::CARLTON | | Tue Dec 14 1993 15:32 | 2 |
| .74 THANK YOU!! You've answered all my questions (and I'm sure many
others')
|
| 2813.76 | | BSS::CODE3::BANKS | Not in SYNC -> SUNK | Tue Dec 14 1993 15:51 | 14 |
| Re: <<< Note 2813.75 by ABACUS::CARLTON >>>
> .74 THANK YOU!! You've answered all my questions (and I'm sure many
> others')
Actually, there's one question it doesn't address, at least as far as I can
see. Is there a way (for Wage class 4) to get paid in advance for the two
weeks off (w/e 12/25 & 1/1) taking advantage of both vacation and holiday time.
It seems to address either one but not both.
It would seem that if you take advance vacation then the whole time will be
taken away from accrued vacation. Or am I missing something?
- David
|
| 2813.77 | | DIODE::CROWELL | Jon Crowell | Tue Dec 21 1993 17:12 | 15 |
| Does this say our Spokeswoman didn't know about the request???
__________________
Digital - Vacation urged for DEC workers
{The Boston Globe, 17-Dec-93, p. 88}
Digital, employing a cost-cutting move not seen in recent memory, asked
employees to take vacation time in the next two weeks. The Maynard computer
maker wants to reduce accrued vacation time, which it carries as a liability
on its books, before the fiscal quarter ends on Jan. 1, said spokeswoman Jamie
Pearson. "It's not atypical for companies to request employees to take
vacation at certain times of the year when their operations allow it," said
Barry Willman, an analyst with Goldman Sachs & Co. Pearson, who joined
Digital in 1983, said she was unaware of the company making such a request
recently.
|
| 2813.78 | Badly worded but seems to make sense | SMAUG::GARROD | From VMS -> NT, Unix a future page from history | Tue Dec 21 1993 17:49 | 11 |
| Re .-1
I know it is badly worded. But it does explicitly say that Jamie
Pearson confirmed that DEC wanted to reduce its liability. I think the
last line is meant to be an additional piece of information saying that
PRIOR to this time Digital hasn't asked employees to take year end
vacation in recent times.
So the assertion that Jamie didn't know about the request seems false
to me.
Dave
|
| 2813.79 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue Dec 21 1993 17:50 | 2 |
| I think it means that she's unware of any such previous request. You could
ask her -- I think she's at ASABET::PEARSON.
|
| 2813.80 | Worse than a damn spy... | SYORPD::DEEP | Bob Deep - SYO, DTN 256-5708 | Tue Dec 21 1993 19:00 | 10 |
|
Does every internal memo always end up in the Globe? Can't we keep our
confidential information in house?
People who leak this stuff make me sick. Its hard enough to sell our company
without this kind of crap in the media.
Whoever you are, cut it out.
Bob
|
| 2813.81 | | RUSURE::EDP | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Wed Dec 22 1993 19:21 | 13 |
| Re .80:
A memo to all employees regarding our employment is not confidential,
and I and other employees are under no obligation not to tell the
newspapers.
-- edp
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| 2813.82 | WRONG EDP! | ALFAXP::MITCHAM | -Andy in Alpharetta (near Atlanta) | Thu Dec 23 1993 10:24 | 26 |
| > A memo to all employees regarding our employment is not confidential,
> and I and other employees are under no obligation not to tell the
> newspapers.
>
>
> -- edp
As an employee of Digital Equipment Corp, you are obliged to follow those
guidelines documented in Digital's P&Ps. Following is an extract from VTX
ORANGEBOOK:
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Responding to Communications from Attorneys, Effective: 12-AUG-83 |
| Government Agencies, Newspapers, and Others Section: 6.28 |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Screen 11 of 14
News Media
Requests from the News Media and Local Community Officials for
Information about the Company
Requests for general information about the Company and its
employees received from newspapers, television, radio, industry
publications, magazines, and local community officials should be
directed to Corporate Public Relations.
|
| 2813.83 | | RUSURE::EDP | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Thu Dec 23 1993 12:47 | 27 |
| Re .82:
> As an employee of Digital Equipment Corp, you are obliged to follow
> those guidelines documented in Digital's P&Ps.
That is false.
Nothing in my employee agreement requires me to obey PP&P.
Furthermore, language at the beginning of the PP&P explicitly states
that it is _not_ part of an agreement between Digital and employees,
but is only guidelines.
And even if the policy did apply, it only indicates where requests
should be directed. That doesn't prevent employees from talking to the
media themselves.
And again, the terms of my employment are _not_ Digital confidential
information; I am free to discuss them with any person on the planet.
-- edp
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| 2813.84 | This ain't a democracy, pal... You should be history! | SYORPD::DEEP | Bob Deep - SYO, DTN 256-5708 | Thu Dec 23 1993 13:49 | 23 |
| Re: .83 RUSURE::EDP "Always mount a scratch monkey."
>
>> As an employee of Digital Equipment Corp, you are obliged to follow
>> those guidelines documented in Digital's P&Ps.
>
> That is false.
>
> Nothing in my employee agreement requires me to obey PP&P.
You're correct. There is nothing in the original paperwork which requires you
to abide by the code of conduct defined in the Orangebook.
If you worked for me, however, and released ANY internal information to the
Globe, knowing full well that that was a violation of the Policies and
Procedures of Digital Equipment Corporation, you would be subject to immediate
termination.
I'll say it again... Internal information hs no place in the Globe, and the
people who would provide that information are industrial spies and should be
handled accordingly.
Bob
|
| 2813.85 | it's a negative, but... | 36417::CHERSON | the door goes on the right | Thu Dec 23 1993 15:05 | 9 |
| While leaking information to any media is a negative practice that
needs to be contained, the financial health of Digital is very relevant
to the Globe. Why? Because DEC is still the #1 employer in
Massachusetts, and still a large employer in NH and other New England
states, which is the main geographical turf of the Globe. So from
their perspective many issues, including voluntary vacation, should be
published.
/d.c.
|
| 2813.86 | Huh??? | AMCUCS::YOUNG | I'd like to be...under the sea... | Thu Dec 23 1993 15:47 | 6 |
| re: .85
So that makes it ok, huh? Your rationale sounds like co-dependant broken
thinking to me.
cw
|
| 2813.87 | So you want to get technical, eh... | ALFAXP::MITCHAM | -Andy in Alpharetta (near Atlanta) | Thu Dec 23 1993 15:55 | 45 |
| > Re .82:
>
> > As an employee of Digital Equipment Corp, you are obliged to follow
> > those guidelines documented in Digital's P&Ps.
>
> That is false.
>
> Nothing in my employee agreement requires me to obey PP&P.
EDP, I thought you knew the definition of "oblige" but I apparently was
mistaken. For you, I will post it here (taken from Webster):
1: to constrain by physical, moral, or legal force or by the
exigencies of circumstance <obliged to find money for taxes>
2 a: to put in one's debt by a favor or service <we are much
obliged for your help>; to do something as a favor.
As you can see, the term (at least, in the context I intended which should
be obvious to you) is meant to mean "favor", as in doing Digital the favor
of directing communication with the news media to Corporate Public Relations.
No one said anything about this being part of your employee agreement. No
one said you are "required" to do this. But, like it or not, as an employee
of Digital, this is what is expected (not required) of you.
I am also concerned that you would write:
> And even if the policy did apply, it only indicates where requests
> should be directed. That doesn't prevent employees from talking to the
> media themselves.
1) Does the policy not apply to you? Are you afforded some exception to
those policies outlined in ORANGEBOOK?
2) If the policy does apply to you (and I think it does), what "doesn't
prevent employees from talking to the media themselves"? The fact that
it is not explicitly written that employees are expected not to speak
with the media on issues such as this? Does it have to be spelled out
in front of you?
I believe it goes back to "Do the right thing" (not "I'll do anything I damn
well please").
-Andy
|
| 2813.88 | | RUSURE::EDP | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Thu Dec 23 1993 18:32 | 37 |
| Re .84:
> If you worked for me, however, and released ANY internal information
> to the Globe, . . .
Nothing in PP&P says employees should treat information about their
_own_ employment as "internal" or confidential information.
Information about _other_ employees is personnel confidential (e.g., a
personnel employee who learns the Social Security number of another
employee should treat it as confidential). But information about one's
_own_ employment is NOT "internal" or confidential information that one
is supposed to keep secret.
Re .87:
> As you can see, the term (at least, in the context I intended which
> should be obvious to you) is meant to mean "favor", as in doing Digital
> the favor of directing communication with the news media to Corporate
> Public Relations.
The favor referred to in the definition is not a favor done to fulfill
an obligation, but a favor _for_ which one is obliged. So your attempt
to fill in the word "favor" with that of the _employee_ doing something
for Digital is erroneous.
And Digital would be way out of line to expect any favors from
employees after the way it has treated them.
-- edp
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| 2813.89 | | ALFAXP::MITCHAM | -Andy in Alpharetta (near Atlanta) | Thu Dec 23 1993 18:50 | 12 |
| > The favor referred to in the definition is not a favor done to fulfill
> an obligation, but a favor _for_ which one is obliged. So your attempt
> to fill in the word "favor" with that of the _employee_ doing something
> for Digital is erroneous.
I know what I said, you know what I said as well as what I meant and your
attempt to twist this into something else merely adds to your rhetoric.
So, EDP -- why didn't you address the questions I asked in .87? I'm sure
that others would be interested in knowing as well...
-Andy
|
| 2813.90 | hope you're wealthy | CSC32::K_BOUCHARD | | Fri Dec 24 1993 16:10 | 6 |
| Hey,EDP! About this "Public Key Fingerprint" encryption and all that.
Especially your attitude about "leaking" to the press. (sometimes,I'd
like to "leak" *on* them,ya know?) Just wondering: How much longer you
plan on working here anyway?
Ken
|
| 2813.91 | | RUSURE::MELVIN | Ten Zero, Eleven Zero Zero by Zero 2 | Fri Dec 24 1993 19:36 | 26 |
|
>You're correct. There is nothing in the original paperwork which requires you
>to abide by the code of conduct defined in the Orangebook.
>If you worked for me, however, and released ANY internal information to the
>Globe, knowing full well that that was a violation of the Policies and
>Procedures of Digital Equipment Corporation, you would be subject to immediate
>termination.
Nit... The policy as quoted above tells what SHOULD be done for requests FROM
various sources. It does NOT mention anything about the employee voluntering
the information, unasked. Was there another policy to handle that?
>I'll say it again... Internal information hs no place in the Globe, and the
>people who would provide that information are industrial spies and should be
>handled accordingly.
How do you define 'internal' information???????? Have you ever given your
DTN number to a non business (Digital) person? Is THAT a violation?
If you are interview by a paper for some reason, and let it be known you are a
Digital employee, does not that constitute a violation (according to your
view)?
|
| 2813.92 | Wot, it's not an official conduit? | VMSSPT::STOA::CURTIS | Dick "Aristotle" Curtis | Fri Dec 24 1993 22:59 | 8 |
| Sometimes it appears that there are three major forms of "employee
communication" (i.e., getting info to the employees in various places):
-- VTX
-- electronic mail
-- The Boston Globe
Dick
|
| 2813.93 | | TOPDOC::AHERN | Dennis the Menace | Sat Dec 25 1993 17:05 | 6 |
| RE: .85 by 36417::CHERSON
>DEC is still the #1 employer in Massachusetts,
I thought Raytheon was #1.
|
| 2813.94 | | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Sun Dec 26 1993 01:43 | 8 |
| Actually, I believe the STATE is the #1 employer... then either
Raytheon or Digital.
Tony... who understands there are somewhat over 105,000
state/county/local government employee's serving the approximately 6.3
million enhabitants...
|
| 2813.95 | | RUSURE::EDP | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Tue Dec 28 1993 13:12 | 24 |
| Note also that since Digital is a publicly-held company, the
stockholders (and those in the public considering buying stock) have a
right to know if the company is trying some maneuvers to make the
balance sheet look better.
They SHOULD be told.
Re .89:
> . . . you know what I said as well as what I meant . . .
No, I do not. Your definition does not fit, and I do not agree with
it.
> So, EDP -- why didn't you address the questions I asked in .87?
I had already stated that policy does not apply to me: It's not in my
employee agreement, and the language at the beginning of PP&P says it
is not binding. Why did you ask a question I have answered previously
in this topic and several times before in other topics?
-- edp
|