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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

89.0. "New-style business cards" by TIGER::MORRISON (Bob Morrison LMO4-2/B5 DTN 296-5357) Wed Feb 26 1986 13:53

I am writing this note a year after the fact because I just found 
out about this notesfile.
  What do you think of the new format for business cards? I ordered
my first set of business cards a month too late to get the old
style. I know that company policy required that they change the
logo color from blue to gray. My other complaints are that the
new print is harder to read than the old and the paper is too thin.
I heard that the cards were formerly printed by outside and as a
cost reduction they changed to in-house printing, and that the
thinner paper was also a cost reduction. As phone numbers, titles,
and locations change, most people will have to throw away their
remaining supply of old-style cards and order new-style ones.
Has anyone ordered old-style cards at their own expense from the
vendor? 
  This is not a serious problem for me because I rarely need to
give out business cards, but some of my coworkers had strong
feelings about it when they saw the new cards.
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89.1Get that color right!MODULE::PHIPPSMike PhippsWed Feb 26 1986 14:269
>style. I know that company policy required that they change the
>logo color from blue to gray. My other complaints are that the
                         ^^^^

How many times do I have to tell people that isn't *gray* but...

      `champagne beige'!

	    :-)
89.2Report from a flat eartherIMGAWN::SCHMIDTAtlant G. SchmidtWed Feb 26 1986 14:4815
Re: Champaigne Beige

  Phew!  Sure glad we got that straightened out :-).

Re: New Cards in General

  I agree with all of the comments voiced in the first note 
  and would like to add a chuckle at "(617) 496-6174" becoming 
  "617.496.6174".  Last time I checked, Americans still specified
  phone numbers in the first form, or, more rarely, "617-496-6174".

  But I've already become branded as a 'neo-luddite' so I 
  figured I'd keep quiet about this issue :-).

                                   Atlant
89.3change?CRETE::SHAMELMarsha ShamelWed Feb 26 1986 15:577
    A subtle change has occured with business cards.  My first 'new
    color' batch was 'flat' - that is the print was not raised and was
    difficult to read.  A batch I got last week had raised print and
    the printing was better - same color but much better quality.
    
    Marsha
    
89.4Try the Quill and Press in ActonMTV::KLEINBERGERGale KleinbergerThu Feb 27 1986 11:387
   The Quill and Press will do the old style business cards with the
    blue printing, 1000 for approx. $45.00. They are located at the
    Maynard exit, off of route 2 in Acton. Our cost center will NOT
    pay for business cards, so we HAVE to buy our own, and thats where
    most of us got ours.
    
    Gale
89.5Reverting to blueSTAR::SZETOSimon SzetoThu Feb 27 1986 21:368
    By the way, it's a fairly persistent rumor that new business cards
    and stationery will once again be printed with a blue logo.  Has
    anybody seen that happen yet?
    
  --Simon
    
    (See HUMAN::MARKETING note 115.0 for a related note.)
    
89.6Jack Shields' organization willPRSIS3::DTLParis, FranceSat Mar 01 1986 08:595
   As far as I know from Ray Humphrey, Corporate Security director, Sales
   and Marketing are back to the blue (see the note Simon referred to in
   the previous note).
   
   Didier
89.7inhouse printingPATOIS::HANAMTue Mar 11 1986 18:5115
    
    Re .0
    
    The cards are not printed in-house - if they were, they wouldn't
    have raised type, since the print shop in Northboro doesn't do that.
    Don't automatically assume that inhouse printing is second-rate - 
    alot of quality work comes out of Northboro.
    
        AND - quality control in Northboro is good - the new cards I recieved
    today were printed, cut, and shipped all without anyone noticing
    that my phone number has 2 numbers dropped out. 
    
    That never should have made it through a good shop.
       
    -Mike
89.8ERB CARDSNEWVAX::KELLYWed Mar 19 1986 16:409
    	INRE the new business cards.  Does anyone out there know anything
    about the "NEW" cards for the FIELD SERVICE SUPPORT RANKS?  What
    we were told was that now there is no CORPORATE requirement for
    FS Engineers to "pass" and ERB, that the old ones, like myself,
    would get business cards with an "ERB" logo of some type.  It has
    been months and months and still nobody seems to know what is
    happening.
    
    tks.
89.9TIGER::MORRISONBob Morrison LMO4-2/B5 DTN 296-5357Mon Mar 24 1986 16:473
I'm confused. What does ERB stand for in the context of the previous
reply? In our plant this acronym is commonly used for "Engineering
Review Board".
89.10ERBNEWVAX::KELLYFri Mar 28 1986 13:3110
    Re. .9
    
    Bob,
    
    Sorry to cause confusion, but yes that is what I meant by ERB.
    
    
    "IRISH"
    
    
89.11Back to the BlueCURIE::JOYWed Jun 04 1986 14:5210
    re: .0
    
    Just in case you haven't already seen them or heard....we're back
    to the "old" <read as blue logo> style cards again. I am in marketing
    so it may be just limited groups but I though I heard that everyone
    was going back to blue. The phone numbers are still the 617.467.5428
    variety though.
    
    Debbie
    
89.12MILDEW::DEROSAObviously, a major malfunction.Thu Jun 05 1986 06:232
    Can someone point me to a discussion (here, or in another conference)
    on the blue vs. gray debate?
89.13see note 72BRSDVP::GALLOYGreen_ValleyThu Jun 05 1986 09:245
    It is not gray, it is CHAMPAGNE BEIGE ! 
    
    See note 72,
    			Andre
    
89.14Discussed ElsewhereNY1MM::SWEENEYPat SweeneyFri Jun 06 1986 00:031
    See also HUMAN::MARKETING n115
89.15expert: it is grayATLAST::THORNTONFri Jun 06 1986 04:295
    Sorry, it is GRAY.
    
    According to my resident expert, my 5 yr old in Kinder., , ,
    
    He uses colors regularly, and he says it is gray. So there.
89.16Business Cards: next to uselessEAGLE1::BRUNNERVAX &amp; MIPS ArchitectureWed Mar 22 1989 01:0023
This is related to the topic of business cards:

Last week I attempted to get new business cards. In the process, I learned
a few things which I imagine some folks have known for a while.

Corporate policy for business cards prevents both electronic address as
well as DTN to be printed on the card. However, it does allow an outside
phone number and mail address (both internal and external).

This makes the business cards useless to me:

	- Worthless to give to someone inside DEC 'cause it doesn't
	  have DTN or ENET address. So they'll have to consult ELF
 	  (which is so fast...) anyway.

	- Inadequate to give to contacts outside the company who I
	  expect to communicate with by electronic mail
          because I can't even list a BITNET or ARPANET address on it.

Apparently, this policy is cast in concrete so it won't change. So I
am investigating other avenues. Anybody know if I can order "blank"
cards with just the DIGITAL logo? Then I'll just make a short trip to
my friendly printer...
89.17Pointer to existing discussionQUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveWed Mar 22 1989 01:055
    Re: .16
    
    See note 174 for a detailed discussion of this topic.
    
    			Steve
89.18DLOACT::RESENDEFamiliarity breeds content{ment}Wed Mar 22 1989 15:324
Well, there's a PostScript program (check out the PostScript conference) which
will allow you to print your own - but at best this should be only for internal
use.  Definitely not for external consumption.  And again, this might not
conform to corporate identity guidelines ....
89.19Hummmmmmmm.....GRAMPS::FORTIERWed Mar 22 1989 23:1310
    
    	Hummmmmmmm???
    
    	   Can you fit thick card stock through an LN03R?
    
    
    		John
    
    	(Just a thought.......!)
    
89.20QBUS::MITCHAMAndy in AtlantaThu Mar 23 1989 10:167
>    < Note 89.19 by GRAMPS::FORTIER >
>
>    	   Can you fit thick card stock through an LN03R?

    Nope!
    
-Andy
89.21Try it!REGENT::MERRILLAll we need now is a sanity check ...Thu Mar 23 1989 11:495
    re: .19,.20 - Oh Yes, you can, officially up to 24 lb, unofficially
    more, BUT it comes out a tad curly!
    
    	Rick
    	Merrill
89.22A practical solution ...AUSTIN::UNLANDSic Biscuitus DisintegratumThu Mar 23 1989 14:539
    One of the best suggestions that I have seen in another note somewhere
    is to spend $7.95 on a rubber stamp with your mail addresses, DTN, etc.
    
    Then, use it to stamp the back of some of your cards, and give those
    out to whomever.  Granted that it might look a little amateur-ish,
    but it's better than handwriting it, and I'm sure most enterprising
    DECcies can find ways to expense it (I love the word "miscellaneous").
    
    Geoff
89.23melt-down?MORO::NEWELL_JOReplies, they don't come easyThu Mar 23 1989 19:3714
    Our Digital logo is printed using the thermographic process.
    You might notice if you run your fingers across it, it is slightly
    raised.  This effect was achieved (so I'm told) by laying a powder
    down where the logo is and heating it up til it rises.
    
    One problem that might occur if you try to put a preprinted DEC 
    business card (or any thing that was created using Thermography),
    in a laser printer, is the DEC logo might actually melt during its 
    pass thru the printer.  Possibly ruining your printer in the process.
    
    Can anyone verify this for me?
    
    Jodi-
    
89.24Letterhead does itRIPPLE::KOTTERRIRich KotterThu Mar 23 1989 22:227
    Our letterhead is printed with the same process. When we print a letter
    on the LN03 printer in our office, the logo is slightly "melted" and we
    quite often get a faint black streaking halfway down the page right
    below the logo. I think this is because of the effect of the logo
    material on the printing mechanism.

    Rich
89.25BOSTON::SOHNMe &amp; Lou Reed - born today (3/2)Sat Mar 25 1989 15:396
	BTW, since when are DTN's *not* on business cards? I got mine less
	than a year ago, and it does...

	As for Email addresses, I like the rubber stamp idea...

eric
89.26Try private printerDECEAT::BHANDARKARGood enough is not good enoughThu Apr 06 1989 02:529
I managed to get business cards 2 years ago with my arpanet address printed.
Someone must have not looked at my request closely enough to delet the email 
address. I had to get new cards this year with the new 508 area code, and this 
time the email address was dropped.

I think that any printer will probably print up personal Digital business cards 
for a small fee.

Dileep
89.27Cards & Letterhead ResponseSPGOGO::LEBLANCRuth E. LeBlancThu Apr 20 1989 16:1614
    A little late for this reply, but...
    
    Re: getting business cards done -- you can get them done at the Quill &
    Press in Acton (for Maynard-area people).  They don't have restrictions
    on what they'll put on your cards (i.e., e-mail, etc.), and they do
    have a 'contract' so they can use the DEC logo.  It isn't expensive,
    and there usually isn't a problem with putting it through on a
    Miscellaneous Procurement Voucher as "office supplies".
    
    Re: raised printing on the LN03 -- most supply rooms now have
    letterhead without the raised printing for a logo.  The LN03s tend to
    melt the logo (leaving black streaks on the paper), so the new LN03
    letterhead has been stocked.
    
89.28Talk about photo ID!MISFIT::DEEPAre you suggesting coconuts migrate?Thu Apr 20 1989 17:499

Well,  I've seen everything in terms of business cards now...

   Some of the people on the Kodak account team have business cards 
with their pictures on them, printed on Kodak paper, of course!  8^)


                                               Bob
89.29Photo Business cardsCVG::THOMPSONProtect the guilty, punish the innocentThu Apr 20 1989 18:274
	The real Estate people who were trying to sell my house all had
	business cards with their picture on it. Interesting idea.

			Alfred
89.30Reg. U.S. Tangent Off.HARRY::HIGGINSCitizen of AtlantisTue Aug 08 1989 19:1444
    
    < Note 89.29 by CVG::THOMPSON "Protect the guilty, punish the innocent" >
                           -< Photo Business cards >-

>	The real Estate people who were trying to sell my house all had
>	business cards with their picture on it. Interesting idea.
>
>			Alfred

    
    
    
    
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HARRY::HIGGINS "Citizen of Atlantis"                 23 lines  26-JUL-1989 19:01
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    Not satisfied, apparently, with owning large parts of New York and
    New Jersey, Donald J. Trump now seems to want his very own noun.
    He is fighting the trademark application of the Georgia maker of
    Trump Cards, a line of business cards featuring a photograph of
    the bearer.  Although the cards manufacturer, Positive Concepts
    Limited, says the name was chosen in reference to the suit of cards
    that beats other suits in bridge, Donald Trump says people associate
    the word strictly with him.
    
    Positive Concepts, which has been making Trump Cards since 1982,
    applied for a trademark for the name in 1985.  Edward Zito, president
    of the Lithia Springs company, says he had not heard of Donald Trump
    when he named the cards.  But when the company's application was
    made public in 1987, Trump's lawyers filed an objection with the
    trademark board.
    
    Trump's lawyer, James David Jacobs, says his client has become so
    famous that whenever the word "trump" is used in business, people
    think of Donald Trump."
    
    				Insight/31-July issue