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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

2461.0. ""I said, LIE-ability !"" by TRACTR::MOODY () Sat Apr 10 1993 03:47

         I hope that I'm not out of order in asking this question;
    
    also, I hope that the subject doesn't make anyone so ill-at-ease
    
    that they refuse to offer me their thoughts, feelings on the 
    
    subject. I value your insight and considered openion. O.k ?
    
    The question is this: With all of the changes going on within DEC,
    
    no more " old DEC ", we've been "reinvented"; We're now "new DEC".;
    
    How about our LIABILITY ? Has that changed ,too ? As a corporation,
    
    are we just as subject to be drawn and quartered for what we did...
    
    or didn't do ? I couldn't help but wonder given all the times in the 
    
    past when we bit the bullet - and didn't have to - just to our name
    
    out of the press . Are we now somehow more combative, aggressive and
    
    "... in yo' face, Sucka !" Or, in the face of all other changes, has
    
    this not changed ? It's hard to tell from where I sit. What's your
    
    perspective ?
    
                                                      -RAM-
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2461.1SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkSat Apr 10 1993 19:185
    If you are sincere in attempting to obtain an opinion from us, please
    think a bit more about what you are writing about and ask again.

    Most replies here will likely speculate about what you meant to write
    or complain that your basenote was incomprehensible.
2461.211SRUS::POITRASSat Apr 10 1993 19:204
RE .1  Thanks.  I was thinking the same thing but wasn't sure how to say it
without sounding rude.  Good job.

Mac
2461.3.0, Is this what you mean?ROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150 kts. is TOO slow!Sat Apr 10 1993 22:107
I suspect that .0 was meaning our apparent #1 unwritten rule - stay out of court
unless we file the suit.

I think a lot of this relates to the difficulty in dismissing employees and the
veto power that Personnel has over TFSO lists.

Bob
2461.4"Bulls-eye."TRACTR::MOODYSun Apr 11 1993 04:431
    ref.3. Exactly.
2461.5SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkMon Apr 12 1993 12:424
    OK, what is your point about the "difficulting in dismissing employees"
    and the "veto power that Personnel over TFSO lists".
    
    Is this a topic note in installments?
2461.6Your serve16BITS::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Wed Apr 14 1993 17:0810
I agree with Pat. Is this supposed to be a game of 20 questions or what?

By the "veto power of personnel" are you referring to the fact that personnel
has been a participant in a review process to evaluate whether or not
there are potential liability issues for the company surrounding the
dismissal of certain individuals based on EEO/AA classifications, as
well as other factors? And, if so, are you for it, or agin' it? Or wasn't
that the intent of the discussion?

-Jack
2461.7{"Non, Pas Encore!}TRACTR::MOODYThu Apr 15 1993 06:3525
         Ref. all previous discussion on this topic.
    
    Thanks for your question(s). I prefer not to think of my inquiry as a
    
    game; however, if it makes you comfortable, go for it.
    
         There was a time when,IMHO, there was a discernible, if 
    
    unwritten, reluctance to go toe to toe in litigation, even when we
    
    were  100% sure to prevail. We didn't want our "image" tarnished.
    
    Question: Has this, like so many other things, changed ?
    
    Question: Are we more assertive, more protective of what we see as
    
              "Ours"?
    
    Question: Are we as focused as we once were on our "Image" or are we 
    
              more focused on "Substance"?  
    
                                                C'est Tout !
    
                                                   -RAM-
2461.8Why do you ask?NOVA::SWONGERRdb Software Quality EngineeringThu Apr 15 1993 12:077
	I still don't see the point - your question looks (to me) like it
	has something behind it that you are not stating.

	And, for what it's worth, I find double-spaced text much more
	difficult to read.

	Roy
2461.9Self evidentANNECY::HOTCHKISSFri Apr 23 1993 10:0411
    re .8 me too
    re .7.I would have thought it was self evident that the new management
    of this company is likely to make the company start to play by the
    rules of the market rather than thinking we have a divine right not to
    or to make the rules or to rise sublimely above them.
    So,in answer your question-yes,I reckon DEC will go to court one day
    soon over an issue of principles in business and most likely win.And I
    also reckon we will be taken to court by a disgruntled employee(most
    likely in the US) and probably lose.
    Get my drift?All the things that happen to ordinary companies...?
    Stuart