Conference 7.286::digital

A while back, a memo came from somewhere that said if you wished to get rid of
old CDs, to cut them in pieces with sissors and put them in the trash.

Bob

    Well, I suppose my thoughts of a frisbee are out of the question? :-}
    
    Karen
    

A sufficently beefy paper shredder will eat them up.

Lee

I should probably know the answer to this, but I don't, so I'll ask here.

Does LMF in it's current state make a CD virtually worthless without the
appropriate PAK's?

In other words, if I were a nefarious type and got a hold of a discarded
S/W or Doc CD, and I had a 3000 or something with a CD reader and I didn't
have a current support contract or license agreement with DEC, could I,
with reasonably little effort, end up loading VMS V5.1 and a bunch of
neat LP's onto my system at no charge?

-Jack

re: .5

Yes

Bob

Gee, I wouldn't mind a few obsolete CDs.

As for what you can do with them, how about:

-	taking two and making a dashing set of earrings or cuff links

-	taking four and use them for wheels for a truck for your kid

-	taking an infinite number and shooting skeet with them
	(a 12 gauge should be overkill, use a 20 gauge)

-	taking one or two, and put between two slices of sourdough bread
	with peanut butter and jelly, or American cheese
	(due to their shape, perhaps an English muffin might be more
	appropriate)

;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} ;'} 

Seriously, scissors will take care of them just fine.  I suspect recycling isn't
yet an option.  At least in the volumes we are using them as individuals.

    I am sure as with all of the other DEC surplus, when you go to next PC
    flea market, someone there will selling them 3 for a buck.

    
    	Yeah, the CD's are a good deal. 
    
    	I think that "someone" should furnish a CD reader (RRD40/42 for
    	*Stations for example) free of charge, to convince in-house
    	documentation and kit consumers to swap from the 3-ring binder
    	versions.  Much less raw material, storage, and shipping
    	expense to the company, even if a free CD reader was provided,
    	I betcha! CDs are remarkably cheap to produce...
    
    	/john

    To dispose of any materials you can call Pam Haegle at 267-2257. She
    can give you the shipping information you will need for these CD's. 
    The PDC in DOO will handle the disposition.
    
                                     Regards,
                                   Jim Cotter

    >                 <<< Note 1569.10 by SALEM::VINCENT >>>
    >               -< The Only Legal method of disposition >-
    
    Says who?
    
    It's stupid to send CDs somewhere to be cut up when a pair of sissors
    works just fine.
    
    Bob
    

    Have you ever wondered what our layered products or documentation
    sounds like? They will actually play in an audio CD player,
    although they get very monotonous after 10 seconds or so :-)
    
    Seriously, if you intend to do this, wind your hi-fi volume
    _right down_, otherwise the concentration of energy at high
    frequencies may damage your speakers.
    
    

re: .6, Bob

> Yes

To which of the two questions?

???
-Jack

re: .14

>Does LMF in it's current state make a CD virtually worthless without the
>appropriate PAK's?

No


>In other words, if I were a nefarious type and got a hold of a discarded
>S/W or Doc CD, and I had a 3000 or something with a CD reader and I didn't
>have a current support contract or license agreement with DEC, could I,
>with reasonably little effort, end up loading VMS V5.1 and a bunch of
>neat LP's onto my system at no charge?

Yes.  Depending upon one's skill level, this would range from easy, but
non-trivial, to very hard.  If I remember correctly, one of the LMF developers
gave a presentation on LMF at DECUS a while back and told the audience that
if someone came up to him at a later DECUS and told him that they had found a
way to bypass LMF, that he would NOT be impressed.  I believe that a later
DECUS, someone went around wearing a T-shirt printed with a patch to VMS that
would disable the LMF.

Bob

    re: .12
    
    I played one in reverse and it says "I shot John Lennon."
    
    Jim

    
    re .15
    
    I am one of the LMF developer's (but I think you are talking about Greg
    Robert the LMF architect), and yes there are several ways to bypass it,
    one very easy, and several more elegant. (Of course, some of these
    would require access to the lmf listings which aren't on the usual
    distributions....) Breaking the LMF does mean that you are breaking T's
    and C's and we can take you to court... And of course, I have
    considered adding a mod that checks for a patched version, and if it
    finds one, inits your system disk....
    
    
    Oh, and by the way, I collect "dead" Cdroms for ultimately making a
    "sculpture" out of them, if you have some to get rid of....
    
    q
    

    re: .11
    
    I'm on a temporary assignment up here in DOO (Contoocook, NH) and
    happened to be reading the base note when Jim Cotter came by. Jim is
    one of the managers out here on the PDC (Property Disposition Center)
    floor. I showed the note to Jim and he wrote the reply. I suggest if
    you have any questions as to the proper way of disposing of any DEC
    property that you contact someone in the PDC.
    
    Pam Haegle, Jim Cotter, or Loc Phan should be able to explain the whole
    thing nicely.

    Re PDC
    
    Is the PDC facility available outside the U.S. ?
    If yes, how can I use it ?
    If no, how can I do, in accordance with the flyer of K.O. titled
    "Earth Vision" ?
    Jean-Pierre.

While it may sound ridiculous to some of us that we might be required to
send obsolete CDs to Contoocook, NH, from all over the country or world
rather than just tear them up and throw them away, consider what's happening
in Germany:

Legislation is pending (some may have passed; some may not) which may require

	- All publishers to collect newspapers and magagzines.  Deposits
	  are being considered to encourage readers to recycle.  This might
	  apply to our documentation -- including CDrom documentation.

	- All vendors to collect all packing material and recycle it.

	- Computer vendors to construct their systems out of recyclable
	  material before they can be approved for sale within the country.

	- Computer vendors to accept obsolete equipment, take it apart,
	  and recycle it.

/john

    
    
    
    	Isn't that what they've been doing for years with cars ?
    
    	I seem to remember seeing a program where they were comparing 
    	what happens here with old cars, the junk yard,  and what happens
    	in Germany. The original manufacturer takes/buys back the old car 
    	and salvages/rebuilds then resells whatever he can the rest gets 
    	melted down recycled.
    
    	I think the program showed BMW's operation.
    
    						
    					Mike
    					----

    Currently, it's you who pays for someone to take back your old car.
    Volkswagen is the first company to guarantee that they take back all of
    their new Golfs for recycling for free (well, when they're old, not
    new...). There's been serious talk about a deposit on cars.
    
    I'm not quite sure of the legal status of all the points John mentioned
    in .20 - but just as an example, plastic Coke bottles have a DM 0.50
    deposit on them (depending on the current status of the USSR this
    amounts to roughly 27 cents). This is enough to make most people return
    them. In fact, plastic bottles without a deposit are forbidden.
    

    Tag!
    
    I am back now and appreciate the responses on how to deal with these in
    an appropriate manner.  I also appreciate the other responses ;-). 
    
    		Irene
    
    
    P.S. Fortunately Sixt replaced my sick Golf in Dresden with an upgrade to a
    Vectra.     Varooom.  No more "hunting throttle". Thus we lived to finish
    vacation and return to work, and the ever growing CD population in my
    cube. . .