Conference 7.286::digital

    >4-AUG-1992 21:11
    I think you're late. You better wait till tomorrow and try again. :^)

	When your boss says it does...

			Tom_K

The real question is: when does it end?

;-)								paul

       re .0:
       
       At the time that allows you to fulfill all of your work
       obligations for the day.
       
       --Mr Topaz

    
    It's never too late.

.0>	What time are we supposed to come in to work?
    
    See the introduction to Personnel Policies and Procedures section 6.40
    (VTX ORANGEBOOK) which says it is set by local management.

    
    Stretching back 20 years or so, the "standard" DEC business day was:
    
    	Manufacturing:   7:30 to 4:00, 30-minute lunch at 11:30
        All else:        8:15 to 5:00, 45-minute lunch starting at 12:00
    

    plus if you go to the cafe at 12:00, all the best food is gone by
    then, i dont like to eat left overs.

    Three boys are fighting over how fast their dads cars are.
    
    1st boy " my dad gets out of work at 4:30 and is home by 4:45 my dad
    works at Wang". 
    
    2nd boy " that's nothing, my dad gets out at 4:30 and is home by 
    4:40, my dad works at Data General".
    
    3rd boy " my works at DEC and he is home by 3:00"
    
    1st boy " but when does he get out of work"?
                            
    
    3rd boy " oh 5:00 "
    
    
    	Buzz

Well, I went on the introductory management course that was titled
something like "Essentials for new Managers at Digital". In that
course they produced the policy that says the day starts at 
8:15 and ends at 5.oo as was said a while back. 
There were no ifs and buts about this, it was also stated that turning
up late 3 times in a row was grounds for dismissal.

I've never seen that enforced but, in times like these, it's an awful
lot cheaper for a Cost Center (DEC) to do this than pay for a TFSO.

>                    <<< Note 2037.11 by METSYS::THOMPSON >>>


>Well, I went on the introductory management course that was titled
>something like "Essentials for new Managers at Digital". In that
>course they produced the policy that says the day starts at 
>8:15 and ends at 5.oo as was said a while back. 

and the author of that note is my manager and we work in the UK, and
the site is pretty deserted at 8:15, and people really only start 
leaving in numbers from 5:30pm. 8:15 - 5pm sounds like US hours.

Craig

  At the UKCSC the "standard" day is 09:00-17:30 but 'official' variations
  include starting at 07:00 ["earlies"] or at 16:00 ["lates"] then working
  the same number of hours.  The call handling and diagnosis people run 12
  hour shifts to provide 24x7 cover.  Some software groups - including the
  one I'm in - run a standard day but provide out of hours cover via pager
  whereas others require a body in place.  As .6 said,  it boils down to a
  decision by local management (ie., *your* manager).  If you have reasons
  to want to change it, try persuading him/her - if the preferred starting
  time has no [negative] business impact (eg., doesn't invalidate customer
  contracts or expectations) then you've got a chance.

  Frank
  

    ....and if you fight the L.A. traffic and have an understanding
    manager you come in around 9-9:30 and leave around 7 - 7:30 p.m.
    As long as the work gets done and my customers are happy it really 
    shouldn't be an issue if my day starts an hour or so later than
    most.  I'm also always available on pager even though I only get paid
    for one week a month.  By shifting my hours away from the very long
    and miserable rush hours I save myself about 1 to 1-1/2 hours a day
    and am a much less stressed (and hopefully more productive!) employee.
    
    There are also more and more people in this area who are working from
    home one or two days a week as well.
    
    -Elizabeth
      

    In Switzerland, as from the 1-Oct, the official working hours are
    between 0600 and 2000 Monday to Saturday, and you work your contracted
    amount of hours (40 for a full-time employee) within this band after
    discussion with your boss and within legal bounds (minimum 30 min lunch
    with an 8 hour day, min 60 min lunch with a ten hour day, max 10 hours
    per day work).
    
    Of course you can always work more.....

    re: 15
    
    I am just the opposite of you.  I work in MD & my customer is a
    government agency.  He's at his office from 7:00 - 3:00PM.  With my
    managers' (the previous 5 I've had the past 30 months) approval, my
    hours are 6:30AM - 3:30PM.  I miss the rush hour both ways, I have the
    copiers & faxes to myself and my COR(T) can always reach me.
    
    I feel I am a more productive employee, less stressed, and hopefully I
    can keep my account satisfied and my job.
    
    Ron

    Digital once lost a valuable and productive employee, because
    some control-freak manager wouldn't allow the employee to shift
    their working hours *fifteen minutes* ahead of the 8:15-to-5:00
    hours, to participate in a carpool in the early eighties (when
    carpools were still in vogue).
    
    No aspect of the employee's job required presence at specific
    time periods.  No reason was given for the refusal other than
    along the lines of "those are the hours I want you here".  This
    "arbitrary and capricious" power display led to the employee
    reluctantly but finally resigning.  The manager was incredulous,
    and wouldn't believe until the very end that the person would
    actually leave.
    
    It was actually worth a chuckle or two towards the end, to watch
    the manager's fury increase as he was forced to realize just who,
    in the final analysis, had the real power after all.
    
    Chris

    As long as you get your job done is my opinion.  I know people that
    come in at 7 and leave at 5 that don't even work.  I know people that
    come in around 9-9:30 and leave at 4 and are excellent performers.  I
    myself come in around 8, eat lunch from 11-12, and leave at 5. 
    Sometimes I leave at 6 or 7, and sometimes get in around 9.
    
    I guess it really depends on the kind of work you do, desk job vs.
    assembly line or time schedule work, and also your manager.  But
    globally I think the generic is 8:15 to 12, and 12:45 to 5.
    
    bob
    

.11>  I've never seen that enforced but, in times like these, it's an awful
.11>  lot cheaper for a Cost Center (DEC) to do this than pay for a TFSO.
    
    Could be a lot more expensive too.
    
    If somebody at risk of TFSO were able to show unfair termination (which
    might include violation of rules previously unenforced, or enforced
    inconsistently between employees at risk and other employees), they
    could probably take the corporation for punitive damages as well as
    actual damages.
    
    If they were smart enough to dig out a pattern of such discrimination
    they might even be able to go with a class action suit.
    
    I'd certainly hope that all the managers and organizations within the
    corporation are smart enough to understand that it isn't "the right
    thing" to expose the corporation to such a legal risk.  Of course if it
    is truly justified then they should do the "right thing" in terminating
    for cause, but it seems to me that the sort of suggestion implied in
    .11 would be just plain stupid!
    
    --bruce
    

    re .18
    
    And I bet I know where that manager is working now!  Still a DECcie
    after all these years (bloops).
    
    -sandy
    
    (but then that's another note!)