Conference 7.286::digital

    This was pretty thouroughly beaten to death a week or so ago. If you
    stay here until minimum retiremetn age and retire, you havent lost
    anyting. If you leave before retirement age, you never did have a
    retirement medical benefit anyway, so you havent lost what you never
    had.
    
    I dont recall the previous note, but its in here.

    
    	See note 5085.
    
    	It could have been found by doing a
    
    	DIR l-1/TIT = RETIR
    

Or by clicking on Directory, Other Criteria, Title: <enter something>, if 
you're using Teamlinks conferencing.  We can't just assume that everyone in 
these conferences can do a DIR etc. etc. I haven't seen a Notes command line 
in years.


Jay

>We can't just assume that everyone in 
>these conferences can do a DIR etc. etc. I haven't seen a Notes command line 
>in years.

Nowadays I usually say something like "use DIR/TITLE or the equivalent in
whatever Notes client you're using."  It's tough to cover all the bases these
days... :-)  (Though you can enable a command line in TeamLinks Conferencing
that lets you enter DIR/TITLE, etc.)

- Nina

    
    	RE: .3
    
    	Is it TEAMLINKS that puts the username in this format?
    
            COPS01::kiji.cop.dec.com::skinner
    

	Personally I use a search engine such as:

		http://altavista.notes.lkg.dec.com:8000/

	and for this conference would use a search string such as:

		+url:digital +... and so on

>    
>        RE: .3
>    
>        Is it TEAMLINKS that puts the username in this format?
>    
>            COPS01::kiji.cop.dec.com::skinner
>    

Teamlinks may. NetNotes definitely does.

Teamlinks puts the name in that form, yes.

>>        Is it TEAMLINKS that puts the username in this format?
>>            COPS01::kiji.cop.dec.com::skinner
> Teamlinks may. NetNotes definitely does.

	The client could be sending everything after COPS01::,
	but in most cases it's the NOTES servers that prepend
	the source nodename or hostname for each hop (ie.
	including intermediate hops).

	For example, I opened this conference as:

		OPEN/NONOTEBOOK star::humane.mro.dec.com::digital

	and the author field should have:

		star.zko.dec.com::VAXCPU::michaud

Usta be if you worked at DEC for 25 years or more and were still 
working at DEC when you reached 55, you got the bennies.

So....you still have to have at least 25 years of service and you have to 
be here when you hit 55. 

Same difference.  Your first 15 years of service were from age 30 to age 45 
and your final 10 were from age 45 to age 55.

Nothing's changed 'cept the wording

RE: 5108.2 - yes I did do a directory. Even though I waited what seemed to be
a very long time, I did not see a note appropriately titled. Note 5085 has a
title of retirement package. This is the problem with notes, the chances are
if you look long enough, you'll proabably find at least a handfull of other
notes regarding the same question/answer. But not all are obviously titled,
which holds true for replies as well.

I did call back to our Benefits group (which is not DEC) with my question.
 
    They claim that you:
    don't have any benefit, or should I say that you do not qualify for
    any reduced medical coverage retirement benefit just because you work
    for DEC for 25 years. That you do qualify after 10 years if you work 
    between age 45-55 and must retire from DEC. All they are doing is making
    it avaliable sooner.

Well that sure is looking at it from another angle. I have not checked
my records, but I was under the assumption that a worker with 25 years
or more service was entitled to certain retirement benefits. Of which
this was just one, even if you retire from some other company. So I stand
corrected unless I find otherwise.


					Paul

Re .11

The 1991 Benefits Book, which came out before the 25-year rule was
instituted, stated clearly that you could retire from Digital only
if you were 55-64 and had worked at Digital for at least 10 years,
or 65 and older and had worked for Digital at least one year.
Furthermore, you had to work at least 30 hours a week to be eligible
for medical benefits.  Pension is only affected by vesting rules -- 
by law, once fully vested in the Pension plan, you're eligible to get 
the pension even if you leave Digital before retirement age.

The book stated specifically, "Also ineligible [for medical benefits] 
are employees who leave Digital before retiring."

This wasn't changed when the 25-year rule was brought in for medical 
benefits (announcement, mid-1993; effective 1/1/94); the 25-year rule 
just told the retiree how big their contribution to the medical benefits 
would be if they retired from Digital.  You still had to be a retiree 
as laid out in the above rules.

So, since formal retirement from Digital is not possible before age 55,
and the new medical benefits rule starts counting the new 10 year requirement
at age 45, there is no net loss for anyone now under age 45 who has
accumulated any number of years of service, since if they stay at
Digital until they're at least 55 they'll have the ten years they
need, and if they don't stay that long before they leave they won't
be eligible for retirement benefits beyond taking their pension with them.

This is advantageous for new company hires 45 or older since they only 
have to work 10 years to get full medical benefits, which presumably makes
Digital more attractive for certain employees.

-- Andrew