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| 1082.1 | Save A Large Forest - Stop The Paper Flow! | MURFY::EARLY | Are we having FUN yet? | Tue Apr 17 1990 02:04 | 30 |
| RE: .0
Interesting comments that I can identify with. We are a very small DEC
facility that is field based. Employee population < 20.
Our secretary has had numerous conversations with various groups that
"publish stuff" or "mail stuff" and tried to reduce the number of
copies of "stuff" that we get. We do NOT need:
20 copies of Sales Update
20 copies of Competitive Update
20-40 copies of various brochures when they're released
25 copies of the VAX Systems and Options Summary
20 copies of the Price List
Her constant requests to cut back the number of copies we get are met
with excuses why the number can't be changed or a comment like "OK
fine, we'll take care of that" with absolutely no change in the number
of copies that we get.
We have only so much time that we can dedicate to getting off
distribution lists. We have real work to do.
/se
(PS: At one point I got myself OFF the distribution list for Sales
Update. Then I moved from one facility to another. Guess what ... they
started showing up again. God only knows why.)
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| 1082.2 | | BUCKY::FRIEDMANN | moderate extremism | Tue Apr 17 1990 13:55 | 5 |
| On the subject of waste, does anyone know why many of the cafeterias continue
to use so much styrofoam (or related product) plates and trays? And plastic
cutlery?
/dan
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| 1082.3 | Styrofoam saves the environment! | CSC32::J_OPPELT | I'm not a fig plucker... | Tue Apr 17 1990 16:27 | 7 |
| re .2
Here at the CXO3 cafeteria there is an info sheet touting the
benefits of using styrofoam. Reduced use of water for washing
stands out as the most lame reason on the list...
Joe Oppelt
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| 1082.4 | | FSTTOO::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Tue Apr 17 1990 16:43 | 10 |
| Cafeteria at BUO has (for the most part) stopped using styrofoam trays.
But they still use plastic everything else.
re: .1
I called the editor of one DEC publication to try to get off the
mailing list. Her response: Too much trouble. Just toss it.
And, yes, I tossed the Earth Vision folder.
tony
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| 1082.5 | Dump waste where it counts!!!! | GRANPA::DVISTICA | | Tue Apr 17 1990 17:45 | 5 |
| Maybe we should all mail our "wasted paper", such as the Earth
Vision Folder, to the Executive Committee. A few tons of paper
being delivered to the Mill, via interoffice mail, might get
someone's attention? Any other suggestion?
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| 1082.6 | | MSCSSE::LENNARD | | Tue Apr 17 1990 20:35 | 1 |
| I toss almost everything....including DEC(barf)World.
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| 1082.7 | EdServices brochures rate right up there on my list also. | BCSE::CRAIG::YANKES | | Tue Apr 17 1990 20:46 | 20 |
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Re: .0
Yeah, not only did they send a fancy brochure in a sealed envelope
and have the info in Sales Update, but I bet that exact same message
will appear verbatim in Digital This Week, the New Hampshire View and
in the next DECWorld.
I agree absolutely with your sentiments. When I opened it up, I
was amazed at the level of price spent to send me information of such
little value. And, of course, when the act of sending it to me seemed
to violate the fundamental message of the contents. Sheeze. Its too
bad that we, a company whose claim to fame is in the usefulness of
networks, don't seem to know how to use them. Why would it be so hard
to add a node/username field to the master registry and use mail? I'd
gladly forego the fancy brochure to have the info on-line. (If anyone
has seen my office, you'll know why... :-(
-craig
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| 1082.8 | Temptation! | ANDOVR::EARLY | Are we having FUN yet? | Wed Apr 18 1990 00:49 | 35 |
| re: .5
> collect it and send to the Executive Committee ...
Hmmmmm ... I collected "Federal Express" envelopes that were sent by
one group to send stuff out that could have come Interoffice for all I
cared.
It worked.
I can see it now.
"Dear Executive Committee:
This is all the paper I've gotten in the last 60 days. I have divided
it into two piles. Pile #1 represents the things that I got that have
some value to me as a (salesrep, sales support person, ACT consultant,
District Manager, EIS delivery specialist, or whatever ...).
The other pile represents things that I could easily have lived
without. Perhaps other people found them to be of great value, but I
have to admit that I opened them, glanced through them, and thought
to myself ... "they can afford to send this out, but I get my salary
frozen."
Regards,
Sidney Salesrep (or whoever)
(P.S. Don't hold your breath waiting for the pile of useful information
to show up. It doesn't exist.)"
GEEEEEEEeeez That's tempting!
/se
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| 1082.9 | UNWANTED_PAPER=ON -- Default?? | NEST::ROMANO | Disk Bugs For You! | Wed Apr 18 1990 00:58 | 12 |
| SET DEFAULT/UNWANTED_PAPER=OFF
Why doesn't the policy become to require people to register for
a distribution list to receive certain material? I receive educational
material for things I can't/wouldn't really even take... classes
for skills not even *remotely* related to my field. Why... probably
because it's easier just to get names from the EMF.
Don
P.S. I just sighed when I threw my "anti-waste" memo out. I *do* read
VAXmail... and it's a lot cheaper/environmental to delete those.
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| 1082.10 | RE: .5 & .8 - Sounds interesting. | SSDEVO::EKHOLM | Greg - party today, tomorrow we die! (Cluster Adjuster) | Wed Apr 18 1990 01:01 | 13 |
| re: .5, .8
Maybe we'll get yelled at for mis-use of company resources if we
mailed it back, however the thought is interesting. What if just
10% of Digital employees did this. Just think of it, Mass shuts
down three landfills after 4 mailings of xyz booklet/sales something,
and one Decworld.
Maybe a list of where to mail all these publications should be made
up and posted here. Let's make sure everyone sends it to the right
place.
Regards
Greg
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| 1082.11 | | CTOAVX::BRAVERMAN | You've got me? Who's got you? | Wed Apr 18 1990 02:01 | 8 |
| If you don't like the medium, suggest an alternative. Think about the
message. I'm very new at keeping the environment safe, I'm used to all
those wasteful habits. As you may know habits are hard to break.
The tone of all those noters are so hatefull and lacking imagination. I
guess it's easy to complain.... So hard to do the right thing!
-hy-
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| 1082.12 | | STRATA::ROBROSE | | Wed Apr 18 1990 04:44 | 7 |
|
Funny you should mention sending the paper back to the mill. One
of the suggestions Tom Peters put forth in "Thriving on Chaos" is
to send back any paperwork that you feel does not relate to your
job. It works for me....
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| 1082.13 | | JUPITR::BUSWELL | We're all temporary | Wed Apr 18 1990 11:17 | 6 |
| What's the mail stop to the Executive Committee ?
buz
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| 1082.14 | where'd it come from? | LEDS::HAMBLEN | QUALITY doesn't cost. It PAYS! | Wed Apr 18 1990 12:35 | 7 |
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But seriously, folks...
About the EarthVision pamphlet: does anyone know where it came
from? That is, who's the author, the editor, or the outfit that's
responsible for it? I've got some serious questions and comments on the
contents of the pamphlet, and I'd like to send them to the source.
Dave
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| 1082.15 | FYI | A1VAX::BARTH | Special K | Wed Apr 18 1990 12:52 | 111 |
| Attached is what I sent in reply to reading .0.
...I'm suprised that the authors of .0 through .14 haven't done this also...
It doesn't take very long and it makes one feel a lot better. It also has
the added advantage of possibly accomplishing something. Unfortunately,
you can't say the same about replying to this note without doing something
else as well.
K.
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
Date: 17-Apr-1990 09:36am EDT
From: Karl Barth
BARTH
Dept:
Tel No: 603-881-0927
TO: Remote Addressee ( EMPLOYEE INVOLVEMENT@CFO )
Subject: Save paper
Here is my suggestion:
Require that all publications groups PREFER electrons to paper in
distributing their information. Allow people to remove themselves from
receiving automatic distribution of bulk mailings.
This means:
1) If the information is available via VTX, then allow people to receive
the latest info via an electronic mailing if they prefer it. This doesn't
mean tha the whole document must be sent electronically - it is sufficient
to send the table of contents or executive summary and a pointer to VTX!
For people who stay plugged in electronically, this is more than adequate.
Why not publish "Management Memo" electronically, for example? The
information is for everyone in the company. It is much more efficient
to put it online. Certainly some people will print it out, but surely
not as many as receive it via paper now. [By the way, why isn't the
Management Memo on recycled paper? Who cares what quality/grade of paper
we use for an internal use only document?]
Granted, some people prefer paper. They are on the road a lot or
the document requires particular study. VTX certainly has the ability
print things. However, items issued on paper are AUTOMATICALLY waste
to those who don't want/need/use the information. Waste electrons are
much much cheaper and more environmentally sound than waste paper.
For example, the "Earth Vision" handout is an unsolicited mailing
to all US employees. It is about environmental health and safety.
It could have been posted in LiveWire. Instead, some number of tons
of recycled paper were purchased, printing costs were incurred, and
uncountable numbers of these pamphlets are in wastebaskets around the
country. Electrons make a lot more sense - dollar-wise and environmentally.
2) No group which "publishes" should have a problem removing someone
from their distribution mechanism. It is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE to say
that "it goes to all sales reps" or some such. If a person does not
wish to receive the price book any more (for example) then the person
should be removed from the distribution list for the price book. This
concept is so simple it is unbelievable that DEC does it any other way.
Apparently some groups use Personnel's job code list to send things out
to (say) every salesperson. It is cheaper not to maintain ANY list, they
figure. In that case, perhaps Personnel should have a flag which says,
"this person doesn't want unsolicited mail." If I can tell American
Express not to give my name out, I should certainly be able to tell my
employer the same thing!
There is another alternative. If the group doing the publishing doesn't
want to maintain a distribution list, don't allow them to publish on
paper! If it's a small document, people will print it off of VTX or
LiveWire. The announcement can be made via a mail message to everyone
with job code X. If it's a big document (like the price book) then no
one will want to print it on a local printer since it would take too
long. So the announcement of the new price book's availability should
include ordering information.
Actually, the price book is a bad example for electronic announcement.
There are people (especially sales) who need to get the new price book
every time it is updated. SO WHY ISN'T THERE A DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR
THIS PUBLICATION?? Nope, it goes to everyone with job codes X,Y, & Z.
That is absurd. Does every unit and district manager is software services
need a price book? I don't think so. Do all 12 members of a sales
support SWS group need a price book. I know they don't (I was in presales
for 3 years.) It even costs money for us to throw the books away! They
are internal use only documents and must be put into the shredder bin.
Now I realize that there is no single publishing god at DEC. For this
suggestion to work, every Vice President must issue a very clear directive
to his/her organization. And the Personnel dept, especially, must agree
that they can be part of the solution.
So how much teeth does "employee involvement" have? This is a big money
issue - we are talking about saving serious dollars on printing, distribution,
materials, etc. But it requires a LOT of visibility and a COMMITMENT by
upper management.
Let's face it, one reason so many publications go to so many people is
that it is EASY to do. Make it harder and it will stop. The expense of
the mailing doesn't have to be in proportion to the number of people receiving
the information. That's what our wonderful network does for us. Let's
start using it.
Thanks for your attention,
Karl Barth (BOSEPM::BARTH)
ALL-IN-1 Product Management
DTN 381-0927
ZK03-2/U15
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| 1082.16 | see also 915.52 | ODIXIE::CARNELL | DTN 385-2901 David Carnell @ALF | Wed Apr 18 1990 15:04 | 3 |
|
Related to this topic is a reply I made in 915 -- see note 915.52
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| 1082.17 | | MARVIN::COCKBURN | Edinburgh: A Capital city | Wed Apr 18 1990 15:07 | 21 |
| > <<< Note 1082.15 by A1VAX::BARTH "Special K" >>>
> -< FYI >-
> For example, the "Earth Vision" handout is an unsolicited mailing
> to all US employees. It is about environmental health and safety.
> It could have been posted in LiveWire. Instead, some number of tons
> of recycled paper were purchased, printing costs were incurred, and
> uncountable numbers of these pamphlets are in wastebaskets around the
> country. Electrons make a lot more sense - dollar-wise and environmentally.
I'm surprised that you seem to be implying that something called EARTH day
should only be sent to US employees. Why should the rest of us be left out?
We all share the same planet!
The Corporate Earth Day strategy is a worldwide one. Therefore, every
employee will be receiving the information, not just those in the US.
You US folks got your info a week early apparently, us in Europe should
be getting ours this week (hopefully in time for the event itself!)
Craig.
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| 1082.18 | Get the chip off your shoulder | A1VAX::BARTH | Special K | Wed Apr 18 1990 17:23 | 13 |
| >I'm surprised that you seem to be implying that something called EARTH day
>should only be sent to US employees. Why should the rest of us be left out?
>We all share the same planet!
You should be surprised. I implied no such thing.
The FACT is that all US employees got the mailing. I don't live anywhere
else (just the US) and didn't check outside of the country. I thought it
made sense to stick to facts that I was sure of.
Now, can we get back to the topic at hand?
K.
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| 1082.19 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | I'm not a fig plucker... | Wed Apr 18 1990 19:35 | 10 |
| re .11
Before you posted your reply, several entries (including the base
note) already suggested electronic distribution as an alternative...
re .17
Do you want that as a hard copy or electronically? :^)
Joe Oppelt
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| 1082.20 | Recycle(recycle(recycle...)))? | ASD::DIGRAZIA | | Thu Apr 19 1990 17:50 | 4 |
|
Was the "Earth Vision" brochure recyclable?
Regards, Robert.
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| 1082.21 | Hello up there! | DECWET::SWANSON | | Sat Apr 21 1990 01:17 | 297 |
| I assume the "Earth Vision" pamphlet was recycleable, since it was printed on
recycled paper, but it was still a tremendous waste. The same information is on
posters in our building. Speaking of posters, here's a note from my site's local
billboard conference (replies re-posted by implied consent) regarding wasteful
mailings in general and a recent 18x24" glossy poster from ed services. I know
re-posting notes is frowned upon, but this one was started with the declared
intention of doing just that (sort of a collective letter to the powers that
be).
Does anyone with the authority to mandate some changes read this conference?
If so, Hello there! Hey, your employees are making sense here. Let's stop these
mass mailings and practice what we preach! It will save trees, energy, time and
last but not least, it will save DEC a lot of M O N E Y. $$$ What do you say?
- Dave
<<< DECWET::DOCD$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]BILLBOARD.NOTE;2 >>>
-< General DECwest Postings >-
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Note 1987.0 DEC is killing trees. 18 replies
DECWET::SWANSON 24 lines 20-APR-1990 12:18
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Did all of you receive that large (18 x 24") glossy poster from ed
services in your mailboxes today? Does it seem ironic to you that it
comes on the heels of a pamphlet entitled "Earth Vision", which proudly
proclaims DEC's commitment to "conserve natural resources" and "protect
the environment..."?
If this bothers you, please reply to this note. I'd like to send it and
the replies to the DIGITAL notes conference and/or ed services and/or
Ken Olsen or someone else with clout (suggestions welcome).
The message is:
Why is it necessary to send these posters (and the similar card stock
bulletins that come out every week or so) to every single employee at
(probably) every single site? Wouldn't one or two copies per site (to
be posted on bulletin boards in the cafeteria) do the job just as well?
Sincerely -
Dave Swanson
PS-
Just for the record, I've sent mail to ed services in the past,
requesting that they take my name off their mailing list, but to no
effect. I don't dispute the value of the courses offered, only the
extremely wasteful method of letting people know about them.
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Note 1987.1 DEC is killing trees. 1 of 18
DECWET::STOPPANI "It never rains in Seattle" 11 lines 20-APR-1990 12:43
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>> Did all of you receive that large (18 x 24") glossy poster from ed
>> services in your mailboxes today? Does it seem ironic to you that it
>> comes on the heels of a pamphlet entitled "Earth Vision", which proudly
>> proclaims DEC's commitment to "conserve natural resources" and "protect
>> the environment..."?
Worse yet, what about all those "Earth Vision" pamphlets and Earth Day
posters (there's a bit of waste)!
What ever happened to the 'electronic age' anyway? At least half the notices
we get on paper could have easily been sent to us via Email.
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Note 1987.2 DEC is killing trees. 2 of 18
DECWET::HAMBY 7 lines 20-APR-1990 12:46
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The Earth Vision pamphlet itself struck me as the ultimate example of this sort
of waste.
Given the present financial state of the company, I don't see how DEC can afford
to send junk mail to every employee.
John
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Note 1987.3 DEC is killing trees. 3 of 18
DECWET::JWHITE "the company of intelligent women" 3 lines 20-APR-1990 13:14
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i agree.
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Note 1987.4 DEC is killing trees. 4 of 18
DECWET::FURBUSH "Ghost in the machine" 1 line 20-APR-1990 13:51
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Yup, it bothers me.
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Note 1987.5 DEC is killing trees. 5 of 18
DECWET::ORBITS "David A. Orbits" 7 lines 20-APR-1990 13:54
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I agree. My copy of that silly poster went right in the trash. I think
several per site on bulletin boards would be a fine solution.
The earth vision brochure was ironic. I saw the posters and didn't need a
personal copy.
-- Dave
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Note 1987.6 DEC is killing trees. 6 of 18
DECWET::WALP "Koyannisqatsi!" 0 lines 20-APR-1990 14:07
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Note 1987.7 DEC is killing trees. 7 of 18
DECWET::PCATTOLICO 17 lines 20-APR-1990 14:10
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I agree.
I didn't get the poster mentioned in the first note, but a few
weeks ago I got a nicely printed card reminding me that during the
company's financial crunch, travelers should take advantage of
the travel dept.'s discounts. (I don't remember the specifics,
and the card went right into the trash). It aggravated me;
I thought that the info should have been passed by EMAIL.
It cost to design, print and mail (whether US mail or inter-office
mail, it's still $$$). Furthermore, I don't do business travel,
so the card was a total waste for me.
Save the trees, yes. But just as important: USE (to its fullest
potential) the technology that we try to SELL to customers.
Nothing makes a better selling point than to say something is
used extensively IN HOUSE.
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Note 1987.8 DEC is killing trees. 8 of 18
DECWET::SHUSTER "Write left" 12 lines 20-APR-1990 14:14
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Knee-jerk reactions to bone-headed junk mail aren't going to save trees
or protect the environment. These mailings are surely stupid, but
DECwest produces a hell of a lot more waste in print rooms every week:
reams and reams of paper, most of it tossed away. Paper thrown into
data-destruct bins does, apparently, get recycled. Other trash does
not, and there's plenty of it.
If we're really interested in doing something for the environment at
DECwest, a good recyling program should be set up, and wasteful
printings should be curtailed. Anything less would be hypocritical.
-Rob
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Note 1987.9 DEC is killing trees. 9 of 18
DECWET::JOHNSON "Design flaws = Documentation" 3 lines 20-APR-1990 14:18
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Instead of throwing away the posters, please recycle them, or use them
for compost to help a new tree grow. BTW, I agree with the general idea of
the base note.
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Note 1987.10 DEC is killing trees. 10 of 18
DECWET::PAINE 14 lines 20-APR-1990 14:30
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I agree with you. I live in Puget Sound area almost all my life and
I love trees so much. When I was about seven, my Dad told me that
paper came from Evergreen trees. I got really upset about this and I
never forget ever since. I have seen alot of clear cut in both
Cascade and Olympic Mountains range. If you take a boat trip far north
in Canada, you will see sea water full of brown sulfur from paper
mills. Yes, it smells bad too. One small Canadian city used to be
famous place for crab hunting but they are all gone because of paper
mill. I used to be Fisheries Cell Biologist before I switched to
programmer and I have seen and reported bottom fishes have more tumors
and cancer near Seattle and paper mills than Port Madision or Kingston
area. Last wednesday someone told me that it needs 300,000 trees for
World's daily newspaper (I might be wrong). Getting paper is more than
just killing trees!!
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Note 1987.11 DEC is killing trees. 11 of 18
DECWET::GETSINGER "Eric Getsinger" 13 lines 20-APR-1990 15:03
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>>Last wednesday someone told me that it needs 300,000 trees for
>>World's daily newspaper (I might be wrong). Getting paper is more than
>>just killing trees!!
I heard that the Sunday edition of the New York Times requires 75,000
trees.
Say, Dave, while you're at it, why don't you mention that the bulk of
the pieces we receive have no meaningful design. Take a look at
today's piece. Did the yellow color (which costs extra) add anything?
When you look at the poster, do you want to read it?
Garbage like that makes me appreciate the talent that we have here.
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Note 1987.12 DEC is killing trees. 12 of 18
DECWET::RICHARD "personally nameless" 5 lines 20-APR-1990 15:07
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I agree with Rob (.8). The amount of unnecessary paper sent to
DECwest through the mail is minuscule compared to the amount of
paper trash generated within the building. If it isn't being
recycled now, we should see that is in the future.
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Note 1987.13 DEC is killing trees. 13 of 18
DECWET::HELSEL "Legitimate sporting purpose" 25 lines 20-APR-1990 15:28
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Gee, it looks like a task force already! I'll help nominate people
for the following tasks:
1) Dave Swanson will lobby KO to stop the flow of garbage. Yes
Richard, while the amount of garbage from corporate central coming
into DECwest may be miniscule, it is a waste of paper and $$$ on a
corporate scale. Keep up the good work Dave!
2) It looks to me like Shuster has come up with the action item of
getting DECwest into a full scale recycling program. In the DEC
tradition, since Rob conceived the idea, this task is his baby.
I understand that if this is done correctly, we can get money
back for paper that has been turned in for recycling. This brings
up another segment of the task force.
3) A charitable contributions subcomittee of the task force will
establish how this money should be spent. This money could go
the EAC for funding of major DECwest events or possibly to some
ecological organization in the Puget Sound area. Someone to head
up this activity will need to be identified.
That should get the DECwest Ecological Task Force (DETF) rolling.
/brett
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Note 1987.14 DEC is killing trees. 14 of 18
DECWET::TARDIFF "It's all rock-and-roll to him." 18 lines 20-APR-1990 15:35
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I suppose now is a good time to mention that just recently, everyone at ZK
(that's thousands of people) was given a second trash can bearing the label
"recycle." Costco has a sale on trashcans just like the ones currently in
our offices; I bought four (they're bundled together) last week to put in my
house next to the trash cans. The recycle cans fill up ten times faster than
the trash cans (same is true at ZK, BTW); the trick is then to cut down
on what you recycle by using less.
This is probably also a good time to suggest that folks march over to whoever
it is handles documentation ordering for DECwest and ask to be taken off
the ADS list for any hardcopy documentation set that's currently available
online. A couple of copies in the library can serve the building, for those
times when you don't want to read five chapters online. And, in case you
were wondering, yes, ULTRIX and UWS documentation will be available online
soon -- start looking for field-test versions midyear, with regular CD
publishing coming around year's end.
+ Michael
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Note 1987.15 DEC is killing trees. 15 of 18
DECWET::DADDAMIO "Testing proves testing works" 3 lines 20-APR-1990 15:54
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...less junk mail
...recycling paper at DECwest
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Note 1987.16 DEC is killing trees. 16 of 18
DECWET::WILKINS 3 lines 20-APR-1990 16:08
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Getting that educational glossy (extra bad for the environment) I found to be
totally against the "company line" about supporting the environment. If
companies like Digital don't take the lead the earth has no chance.
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Note 1987.17 DEC is killing trees. 17 of 18
DECWET::THOMAS 13 lines 20-APR-1990 16:22
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I've asked Jac if we can set up a more "official" recycling program
than the last one (in which I offerred to take old doc sets to be
recycled). Fibers International (or is that F4S I11L?) will pick up
and pay for paper.
Meanwhile, keep a box under your desk and put all your non-confidential
waste paper in it. Then periodically take it home to recycle (you *do*
recycle at home, don't you?).
Redmond collects recyclables from business, but unfortunately Bellevue
only collects from residences (so far).
Mike
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DECWET::SWANSON 9 lines 20-APR-1990 17:46
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Well, it appears that the responses to my base note have a common
thread. These mass mailings (and other paper squandering) are a
shameful waste. I'll bundle up this note and send it off as a unit
to the DIGITAL notes conference, but I'm afraid it will be lost
among the flames. Can mortals send Email to KO? If so, can anyone
supply his node name? I'll bet he doesn't read notes, and I really
think someone high up should have this pointed out to them!
- Dave
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| 1082.22 | Some Ideas | OCNJ::BOICE | When in doubt, do it. | Sun Apr 22 1990 13:01 | 44 |
| During this past year, we here in Standards and Methods Control (SMC) put in
place a new process to distribute our 1,000+ active internal documents. Some
of the features of our process:
o Each document we distribute has its own distribution list.
We've got about 1,200 lists now.
o Newly released and updated documents are usually available in
hardcopy, PostScript, ASCII, and some in LN03 format as well.
o Employees can register (or delete) themselves from the distribution
list for any of our (non-confidential) documents. (If an employee
wishes to be deleted from all SMC distribution lists, it's much
quicker if we do it here. Just request the change from JOKUR::SMC,
and it's done the next day.)
o As an option, employees can elect to be put on distribution, not
for automatic hardcopy distribution, but to receive electronic
notification that a document was updated. We include a summary of
the change so that each person can determine for themselves
whether they should order a new copy.
o Employee information (name, location, cost center, terminations)
for US employees is updated each week from the Employee Personnel
Masterfile. Unfortunately, GIA and European updates are done
entirely by the employees now. (Yearly notices, however, will be
sent to all employees on our data base requiring them to confirm their
information in our data base. If there is no confirmation, we'll
delete them from all of our distributions.)
o Cost center savings reports can be requested electronically.
These reports are designed to show a cost center manager, or any
concerned employee, how they can save money by better managing who
receives what documents within their cost center from SMC.
We're not finished with our electronic publications improvements yet. We've
got plans for CDROM, we've got to get better at enabling employees to modify
their distribution lists quicker, but all-in-all, I feel we're on the road to
saving Digital some money and significantly decreasing our paper output.
Maybe, if you check out our implementation (start with VTX SMC), and you
think it might help other groups, send them our way. Our software is free.
- Jim Boice
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| 1082.23 | someday someone will stop waste! I hope! | QBUS::MULLINS | | Tue Apr 24 1990 14:28 | 17 |
| re: .0 - .22
I decided that the Earth Day pamplet was the straw that broke the
camels back so I entered a suggestion through the corporate DELTA
program "Ideas", well in advance of the mass mailing.
The end result was what we all received last week, the " Earth Vision"
pamplet. All I can say is that I've tried and will continue to do
so.
I will say that I feel confident the DELTA IDEAS program does work
and suggest that people use this as it seems to be one tool to air
any money saving ideas or other ideas that are good for the company.
Thanks,
Drew (who is really beginning to beleive "you can't fight city hall")
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| 1082.25 | not the only use of recycled paper seen lately | CVG::THOMPSON | My friends call me Alfred | Tue Apr 24 1990 17:09 | 4 |
| The 23 April 1990 (and supposedly all future) issue of NEW HAMPSHIRE
VIEW was printed on recycled paper.
Alfred
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| 1082.26 | Recycle only pretty paper? | ASD::DIGRAZIA | | Thu Apr 26 1990 16:04 | 14 |
|
Re .21:
> I assume the "Earth Vision" pamphlet was recycleable, since it was printed on
> recycled paper, ...
A reasonable assumption. But, remember the instructions on how
to use those nifty RECYCLE wastebaskets? They said something about
recycling only white paper. The pamphlet isn't white.
So what's so special about white paper?
Regards, Robert.
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| 1082.27 | more plastic ... more paper ... ;^( | ASDS::NIXON | Rockaway Beach | Fri Apr 27 1990 12:25 | 5 |
| A mailing from Ed Services regarding upcoming training classes
and the schedules of them irritated me a bit. If we are trying to
be more aware why was this booklet wrapped in shrink wrap???
Vicki
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| 1082.28 | most paper is recycleable, but only with other paper of its own type
| REGENT::POWERS | | Fri Apr 27 1990 12:27 | 15 |
| Most paper is recycleable, but mixing different types of paper together
makes the job harder. We use enough plain white laser printer/photocopier
paper that we can afford to segregate it (and unfortunately, it alone)
from our other paper and recycle it.
Many town paper recycling efforts, on the other hand, focus exclusively
on newsprint, since that is the bulk of household paper.
It's the grade of paper on which the brochure was printed that makes
more of a difference that the fact that it's colored.
Colored paper has to be separated out because the color has to be bleached out.
Too much colored paper in the white complicates the bleaching process (also
related to the problem of removing the ink, which is actually fused plastic
for much of our uses).
- tom]
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| 1082.29 | Just A Side Note... | FDCV07::LEBLANC | Ruth E. LeBlanc | Tue May 01 1990 16:39 | 12 |
| Re: -1, "We use enough plain white laser printer/photocopier
paper that we can afford to segregate it (and unfortunately,
it alone)..."
Just a note: Probably most facilities do segregate their recycle
paper, but not all do! If you have a recycle program in your building,
check to make sure what their specific policies are before assuming
that only white paper is recycled. It all depends on their agreements
with the recycling companies. In our facility, for example (PKO),
we have a much larger variety of things we can recycle.
FWIW.
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| 1082.30 | never heard of it | SCCAT::BOUCHARD | Ken Bouchard WRO3-2 | Wed May 02 1990 03:59 | 4 |
| .27> be more aware why was this booklet wrapped in shrink wrap???
Exactly what is "shrink wrap"?
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| 1082.31 | Not sure of its exact properties, but.... | BTOVT::GREENE_K | Kevin Greene, dtn:266-4743 | Wed May 02 1990 12:42 | 8 |
| Re: .30
Shrink wrap is a term for a clear, cellophane like substance.
Many types of literature are packaged/protected with it.
Kevin
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| 1082.32 | The latest thing | STAR::BECK | Paul Beck | Wed May 02 1990 15:05 | 5 |
| > Exactly what is "shrink wrap"?
It's a form of psychiatric analysis in which the psychiatrist talks to you in
a rhythmic, loud voice while spinning a record backwards and forwards on a
cheap record player ...
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| 1082.33 | | SUBWAY::BOWERS | Dave Bowers @WHO | Wed May 02 1990 15:09 | 7 |
|
If I remember correctly from my package engineering days, shrink wrap
is technically "oriented polypropylene", a film which has been stretched
during the cooling process. When heated it shrinks , providing a very
neat tight wrap.
-dave
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| 1082.34 | | ASDS::NIXON | Rockaway Beach | Sun May 06 1990 13:11 | 14 |
| Re: last few
Yes, that's what "shrink wrap" is. While I can see wrapping
magazines etc for mailing to customers outside the company, I have
a problem understanding why it needs to be done internally. Or
why, for that matter the material has to be mailed to us at all.
Isn't this funny little box on my desk easier to use, more cost
effective all the way around? Why create more plastic that will
simply go sit in a landfill somewhere because we don't do much in
the recycling area?
Doesn't make sense to me.
Vicki
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| 1082.35 | Existing policy mandates on-line distribution of info | SUPER::MATTHEWS | | Mon May 07 1990 15:24 | 43 |
| Re complaints about receiving too much paper: There IS a policy
that information shall be made available on line and paper-based
distribution used only when necessary.
It is a DIS policy, and resides in chapter 22 of the Company Identity
Manual (and probably wherever else DIS policies reside).
So the question to ask is why the policy is so often ignored.
Val
(some excerpts from the Company Identity Manual, chapter 22)
"BACKGROUND: In October of 1986, the Executive Committee asked DIS to
address the large number of inconsistent and costly paper reports and
documents used to communicate information to internal audiences.
In January of 1987, DIS presented a recommendation to the Executive
Committee... These guidelines were accepted and endorsed by the
Executive Committee in March of 1987...
SCOPE: Worldwide.
...
POLICY: ... Information shall be made available online for on-demand
access unless this would be in conflict with the intended use of the
information or the capabilities of users to access it in this form.
Online information shall be disseminated using our worldwide internal
network and Digital products, where available, such as VAX VTX, VAX
Notes, and Direct User Data Access applications. Paper-based
distribution shall be utilized only where users do not have ready
access to the systems required for online retrieval, or where user
needs are clearly better served by the paper format...
RESPONSIBILITIES:
Business Responsibility -- It is a Business responsibility to ensure
that Interpretive Documents and Information Systems Reports produced
within their domain reflect this policy.
DIS Responsibility -- It is the responsibility of the DIS organization
to recommend, provide, and support applications, systems, networks, and
services that conform to this policy."
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| 1082.36 | | TUBORG::J_OPPELT | You go first -- after me. | Mon May 07 1990 17:36 | 16 |
| For the past two weeks I have been returning all my SALES UPDATEs
and COMPETITIVE UPDATEs back to Sales Publications at OGO1-1/U06.
I write a note on the back of the original envelope (why do they
need the additional waste fo an envelope?), explaining that I
will be returning them until I am removed from the mailing list.
I proudly sign my name, mail stop and DTN.
Perhaps I should specifically direct my next one to the publisher
instead of the Sales Publications group.
I will be disappointed if I never hear anything back from them.
Maybe I need more people doing the same to make an effective
statement...
Joe Oppelt
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| 1082.37 | Re: Sales Publications | SLSTRN::OLSON | C. Olson @OGO | Tue May 08 1990 18:43 | 34 |
| re: Note 1082.36 by TUBORG::J_OPPELT
I just ran across your note, while browsing through this notesfile and
thought I should respond.
I am not the Sales Update publisher, but I work for her, in fact, since
January, I have been managing the Sales Publications department.
We do share your concern regarding the number of hardcopies of Sales and
Competitive Update and who receives them. We have been working on acquiring
funding (actually switching and reducing the money required), resources, and
several applications (which I cannot go into in this notesfile since they
haven't all been announced yet) which will reduce the need (and our costs)
for a large portion of the production of hardcopies and give the recipient
in the field more control of the hardcopy information he/she receives. These
applications will come into fruition during Q1, FY'91 and supplant obsolete
methods used now.
As for the reason you are receiving Sales Update...I can only assume that
your job code is a field-related one (ELF has you listed under Customer
Services which would meet this criteria) that we have to mail hardcopies
right now. There are several reasons for this mainly around the resources
needed to maintain a large mailing list and the way corporate mailing lists
have to be created. This too is being addressed and you should see a change
at the beginning of FY'91.
And, oh yes, the size of the book (and the content) has also been addressed
and there will be a significant change during the beginning of FY'91 also.
I hope this answers some of your concerns.
Regards.
Carl Olson
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| 1082.38 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | You go first -- after me. | Wed May 09 1990 20:37 | 15 |
| re .37
Thanks, Carl. Finally we hear from someone with some responsibility
and inside information. Suspicions are confirmed. We see it in
writing that even if we don't want it, we have to get it. But
that is tempered with welcome news that the situation is soon to
be corrected. I (we?) eagerly await the change.
So in the meantime, do we continue to send back the "extra" Sales
Update and Competitive Update issues so that instead of us wasting
them by throwing them away, you can send them to people who really
care about getting them? :^)
Joe Oppelt
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| 1082.39 | More Fuel Efficent Cars? | SUBWAY::YATES | | Thu May 10 1990 13:58 | 10 |
|
In this same vain (forgive me if some one said it before me).
Shouldnt Digital be using more fuel efficent cars. It seems to
me that they could be smaller.
I'm sure this will stir the pot.
Tom
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| 1082.40 | | KOBAL::DICKSON | | Thu May 10 1990 14:03 | 4 |
| For example, we could require that all DEC cars have stratified-charge
engines (which have less pollutants in their exhaust). If enough big
companies did that, the domestic manufacturers would have to change
their ways or lose a lot of fleet business.
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| 1082.41 | stratified-charge? | SUBWAY::YATES | | Thu May 10 1990 14:12 | 6 |
|
I'm not farmiliar with this engine. Could you please
give some examples of cars with them?
tom
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| 1082.42 | | RIPPLE::FARLEE_KE | Insufficient Virtual...um...er... | Thu May 10 1990 17:06 | 13 |
| Honda cars of several years back (CVCC engines) were stratified charge.
The concept is that there are two intake valves pre cylinder:
a small one next to the spark plug which provides a relatively rich
mixture, and a larger one which provides a very lean mixture.
The spark ignites the rich mixture, which provides a front of flame
sufficient to ignite the very lean mixture (normally too lean to run).
Overall, this scheme allows the engine to run much leaner and cleaner
at the expense of considerable complexity. I would imagine that
a fuel-injection (which is generally more precise) could approximate this.
Kevin
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| 1082.43 | 4 valve then - OK? | SUBWAY::YATES | | Thu May 10 1990 18:05 | 6 |
|
So thats what CVCC means. So then we could go to 4 valve
percylinder cars and that would take care of it.
True?
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| 1082.44 | | KRAPPA::CRABTREE | | Thu May 10 1990 19:06 | 6 |
| re -.1
Well actually CVCC means Controlled Vortex Combustion Chamber.
John
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| 1082.45 | CVCC:== Compound Vortex Controlled Combustion | HOTAIR::BURKE | | Thu May 10 1990 19:08 | 1 |
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| 1082.47 | Is this enough of a rat hole?? | RIPPLE::FARLEE_KE | Insufficient Virtual...um...er... | Thu May 10 1990 21:07 | 19 |
| > So thats what CVCC means. So then we could go to 4 valve
> percylinder cars and that would take care of it.
Well, its not just a matter of four valves, it is a method of having the spark
plug surrounded by a rich charge while the rest of the cylinder has a lean
charge. In the CVCC this was accomplished by having the small valve and
the spark plug reside in a side chamber which had a port into the main
part of the cylinder , a'la:
Plug->| |<-Valve
Intake | Exh. | +__+
Valve | Valve| | |
---+------+--| |-
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| 1082.48 | Meant to be deliberately provocative... | ALOSWS::KOZAKIEWICZ | Shoes for industry | Thu May 10 1990 21:13 | 6 |
| I hope you geniuses are at least as committed to the continued viability
of Digital as a corporation as you are to spending it's money to further
your favorite social agenda.
Al
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| 1082.49 | | NCDEL::PEREZ | Just one of the 4 samurai! | Fri May 11 1990 02:22 | 21 |
| re .48
> I hope you geniuses are at least as committed to the continued viability
> of Digital as a corporation as you are to spending it's money to further
> your favorite social agenda.
I'm not sure what their social agenda is, but I just ordered another
company car. Over the past 6 years the choices have become more
limited - as I recall, a few years ago we had small Sunbird, Aries, and
even Escorts (no, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING ANYBODY BE FORCED TO DRIVE AN
ESCORT). Slightly larger were the Celebrities and Dodge 600s with 4
cylinders. Now, the choices are Taurus and Celebrity - both with V6.
My Celebrity sure was NOT a racecar of any type, but it was adequate.
I don't know what they are, but I'm sure there are good reasons to only
order V6s, perhaps better maintenance records or resale value?
BTW: We're currently playing the "partner" game with Andersen
Consulting at a customer site - their whole horde (approximately 200 to
date) are running around in Honda Accords, Accuras, and a few Audis.
Significant? I don't know.
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| 1082.50 | | KOBAL::DICKSON | | Fri May 11 1990 14:17 | 6 |
| Concern for the environment is not a "social agenda".
Concern for the short-term maintenance costs of V6 engines while
not taking into account the incresed pollution and demand for oil
and the indirect costs associated is environmentally irresponsible,
and is why we find ourselves in this mess in the first place.
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| 1082.51 | small point | SCCAT::BOUCHARD | Ken Bouchard WRO3-2 | Fri May 18 1990 23:02 | 5 |
| .49> cylinders. Now, the choices are Taurus and Celebrity - both with V6.
Just a nit.Choices are Taurus,Pontiac 6000 and Ford Tempo.
Ken
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| 1082.52 | | ALOSWS::KOZAKIEWICZ | Shoes for industry | Sat May 19 1990 20:31 | 34 |
| re: .50
Concern for the environment is a lot like motherhood - who isn't for
it?
On the other hand, virtually every human activity has an environmental
impact. It is inescapable, at least for the forseeable future (and
likely beyond). To blindly agitate against every impact without
considering the costs and the side-effects is indeed a social agenda.
To use the example, what are the benefits of your proposed action?
How much less would the affect on the environment be if Digital
switched to smaller cars (the cars are hardly "big" to start with)?
Significant? Unmeasureable? What about the effects of the shorter
lifetime of the vehicles (your "short-term maintenance" costs)? What
would the impact be on the environment due to the greater demands
for energy because of increased manufacturing activity? Mining?
Transportation? What are the human effects as we drain precious
capital at a faster rate just to stay in place?
The real questions, however, are these: At a time when this corporation
earned less on it's $3MM+ in receipts last quarter than we sell in our
backwater Field office in a year, how much of our focus should be on
ancilliary concerns such as this? And, are there other, more
significant impacts on the environment that we could alleviate with
the same amount of capital? Shouldn't we spend the money there
instead?
If cars and waste paper are the most significant impacts we have on the
environment (I don't believe for an instant that they are), then we are
already light-years ahead of most other manufacturers.
Al
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| 1082.53 | Honda CVCC engine | STAR::PARKE | You're a surgeon, not Jack the Ripper | Tue Jul 24 1990 15:27 | 28 |
| An interesting aside to .43(?)-.47 about the Honda Engine.
The reason this engine was dropped by Honda was interesting.
The CVCC engine (in/or near) in it's last year or so of use in the US
(Early 80's) met or exceeded the federal and California emission control
standards. In fact it had also met the next ratchet (increase) of the
standards.
Then the bright boys in Washiongton DC REQUIRED the Catalytic converter on ALL
automobiles produced after a certain date. The back pressure caused by this
muffler CANCELLED any polution advantages of the CVCC and in fact made it
burn dirtier than the emission standards. They ran up against a wall
when it came to cleaning up the effects on the design of the engine.
Converting to the "old" design that would work with this wonderful
muffler also decreased the fuel efficiency of the engine.
I wonder if this is true of the stratified charge design in general ?
The four valve design. I believe, is to more evenly distribute the
fuel mix in the engine, and therefore promote a more complete burn of
the components.
Oh well, lets go for mediocrity and everything the same, instead of
inovation and, potentially, more efficient use of resources.
Bill
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| 1082.54 | Politics? Nah, couldn't be...or could it? | NEWVAX::SGRIFFIN | Census counts on Digital | Wed Jul 25 1990 00:48 | 3 |
| You don't suppose there was anything political motivating this move do
you? Effectively impose a restriction without quotas or tariffs? Nah,
not Ronny...
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| 1082.55 | Ironic, isn't it? | SMOOT::ROTH | Grits: Not just for banquets anymore! | Wed Jul 25 1990 13:32 | 16 |
| re:< Note 1082.54 by NEWVAX::SGRIFFIN "Census counts on Digital" >
> -< Politics? Nah, couldn't be...or could it? >-
>You don't suppose there was anything political motivating this move do
>you? Effectively impose a restriction without quotas or tariffs? Nah,
>not Ronny...
Your blatant cheap shot smacks of 'political motivation' to the
maximum; any political motivation in .53 pales by comparison.
Keep the Reagan bashing in SOAPBOX where it belongs...
Thanks-
Lee Roth
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| 1082.56 | 4 valve/cyl engines suck better | BIGRED::DUANE | Send lawyers, guns & money | Wed Jul 25 1990 15:58 | 10 |
| >The four valve design. I believe, is to more evenly distribute the
>fuel mix in the engine, and therefore promote a more complete burn of
>the components.
I thought it was to provide more of a hole to suck the fuel/air
mixture in and to blow the exhaust out, reducing back-pressures
to allow the engine to use the power it was producing to move
the car rather than move gases in and out of the cylinder.
d
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