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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3166.0. "Has Digital wholesaled out the Q195 receivables?" by ANGLIN::LAFRANCE () Tue Jun 14 1994 14:11

    
    	Question:  Has Digital sold the Q195 receivables to a bank
    		   or collection agency (reportedly for $0.070/dollar)
    		   in response to an anticipated cash flow problem?
    
    	...heard this rumor through the incredible grapevine, and it's
    	a new one on me...
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3166.1What a poorly managed asset!ODIXIE::GELINEAUTue Jun 14 1994 14:4814
    I don't know but that would sure be a damn shame!  What we need to do is
    outsource our collections function to collect the dollars outstanding. 
    We have an enormous potential inflow of cash if we were just industry
    average on DSO.  I mean several hundred million dollars is there for
    just managing that piece of the business.  It is an incredibly poorly
    managed asset in our company.
    
    As a sales rep with this company for 5+ years I can count on 1 hand the
    number of times I have ever been contacted about recievables by our
    internal A/R.  And, I must admit that 2 out of the possibly 3 times has
    been in the last 2 months so maybe the proper focus is coming.  But we
    are not good at this, therefore, let's get someone to do it for us.
    
    Just my 2-cents.
3166.2The System is the SolutionCSOA1::MRICHARDSONMark Richardson @CLOTue Jun 14 1994 16:295
    A good part of our problem with collecting money is getting a correct
    invoice to a customer.  I need a calculator to keep up with the number
    of bad invoices, which subsequently need rework.  One of these days,
    our many ordering systems will be merged, and we will have a common
    ordering channel for all Digital products and services.  
3166.3SAP R/3EPS::MAGNIin MerrimeccaTue Jun 14 1994 17:086
    RE: .2
    
    that issue is being addressed as we write....
    
    
    
3166.4Doesn't mean it isn't trueTOOK::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Tue Jun 14 1994 17:099
re: .0

Lessee - the key to becoming profitable again involves a combination of
CUTTING expenses and INCREASING revenues. So, constraining your revenues
for the next quarter to 70% of potential would then make sense.

Riiiiggghhht. That fits with the way things are being done.

-Jack
3166.5AKOCOA::BBARRYLaudabamusne RexTue Jun 14 1994 17:128
    re .4
    
    	Well, if you sell them now, you get the money now, not after Q1.
    	Also, I wonder how much we spend in 'collection' efforts.
    
    Yes, it very well could be true!! As dumb as it sounds...
    
    /Bob
3166.6hope notBOOKS::HAMILTONChange sucks.Tue Jun 14 1994 17:398
    
    Whether or not it's dumb can only be determined if you know
    the cash position of the company right now. I *certainly*
    hope this particular rumor is not true, because it would
    mean that we are probably in a desperate cash situation,
    I think.
    
    Glenn
3166.7NWD002::GOLDSMITH_THOnward thru the FogTue Jun 14 1994 20:399
re:.2..

    ...                                              One of these days,
    our many ordering systems will be merged, and we will have a common
    ordering channel for all Digital products and services.  



	What a concept....!
3166.8BogusKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseTue Jun 14 1994 21:116
    This sounds like a spin-off rumor created from a (real) note from
    someone without Corporate Treasury which was accidentally distributed
    over the net (and made the Wall Street Journal).
    
    Sounds like the story has been horribly contorted, such that the rumor
    in .0 probably has no basis in fact.
3166.9Living within your means is a concept I'm familiar withMOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Wed Jun 15 1994 02:1011
Well, God only knows I never pretended to be a financial genius. But I was
thinking about this in light of how I try to manage my personal finances.

If I were to cut a deal with someone to supply me with my advance salary
for a quarter right now, because I needed the cash, then wouldn't I be in
the very same position another three months from now? (Given the fact that
I haven't any better short/long term plans in place than this company has.)

Not too smart, I think.

-Jack
3166.10once turned downASABET::SILVERBERGMark Silverberg MLO1-3/H20Wed Jun 15 1994 10:468
    I heard the initial receivables factoring request for funds was turned
    down by the bank involved.  There may be more attempts to try to raise
    needed funds for operations this way, as well as through other channels,
    but the price will be very high...we're very near junk-bond rating
    status.
    
    Mark
    
3166.11Wait a minute!AMCUCS::YOUNGI'd like to be...under the sea...Wed Jun 15 1994 13:4819
    
    Hey if it is true then we've done a very GOOD job of selling the
    receievables.  Anyone that has ever been in the mortgage purchase (or
    loan purchase, etc) game realizes in an instant that the going rate for
    buying a debt is 50 cents on the dollar.  To have sold them at 70 cents
    on the dollar is amazing and encouraging.
    
    Digital (or any company with outstanding receivables) does NOT collect
    100% of the revenue.  Not all of the customers are as honest or as able
    to pay for their purchases (some have gone out of business, some are in
    litigation); it is a fact of business.  There is also the cost of
    collecting those receivables in terms of opportunity loss and employee
    overhead.
    
    By the time you get to the actual net revenue it is already at OR BELOW
    70%.  We did the right thing if this rumor is true.  Its about time we
    heard some good news and recognized it as such.
    
    cw
3166.12bill collection? WEORG::SCHUTZMANBonnie Randall SchutzmanWed Jun 15 1994 13:554
    It's also possible that what we're selling is overdue receivables,
    which would be a routine operation. 
    
    --bonnie
3166.13GRANMA::MWANNEMACHERDaddy=the best jobWed Jun 15 1994 14:2110
    
    
    
    I find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would pay 70% 
    for overdue recievables.  
    
    
    
    
    Mike
3166.14Learned from another employer...MAGEE::GIBSONWed Jun 15 1994 14:464
    Usually when receivables are factored only invoices <60 days 
    can be sold. Older invoices are considered of doubtful collectability. 
    
    Linda
3166.157%TPSYS::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler * TAY1-2/H9 * 227-4472Wed Jun 15 1994 14:555
    Re .13
    .0 says "0.070/dollar"
    that's 7%, or 7cents for each dollar.
    
    Jim
3166.16Typo on .0 read 70 centsANGLIN::LAFRANCEWed Jun 15 1994 16:367
    re: .15
    
    Original typo on my part, as I heard 70 cents on the dollar.
    Thanks for the discussion, but it sounds like yet another unfounded
    rumor!
    
    
3166.17I read it at 7 cents tooWEORG::SCHUTZMANBonnie Randall SchutzmanWed Jun 15 1994 18:079
    re: .13
    
    I read it as 7%, not as 70% -- 7 cents on the dollar is generally about
    what bill collection agencies pay.  
    
    But if it really is 70 cents on the dollar, yeah, that wouldn't be the
    overdue recievables.  
    
    --bonnie