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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3647.0. "Lookin' for performance stuff..." by GLDOA::WERNER () Mon Jan 23 1995 17:14

    I'm trying to get the latest and greatest performance charts for the
    current product set. Of course the VTX sytems that it was on is either
    down or has been taken out of service and when I tried to find Hwan
    Shen in ELF she no longer comes up (I'll assume the worst has happen
    and she is no longer with us). Does anybody know where I can get the
    latest comparitive performnace info - TPS and/or SPECint - at least for
    all current products. 
    
    Thanks in advance. Please excuse me for having to cutter this
    conference up with this entirely too business like entry. I too would
    like to get back to the "fun" in DEC and this conference used to be part of
    that.
    
    -OFWAMI-
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3647.1Hope this helpsGRANPA::HHOLMESMon Jan 23 1995 18:042
    I just sent to you via vaxmail data I received the other week.  I hope
    it's what you were looking to get.
3647.2QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Jan 23 1995 18:155
VTX IR, category PB (Performance and Benchmarking) seems to have what you
want.  If you have a WWW browser you can also check out the copious 
information available through the server at http://www.digital.com/home.html.

				Steve
3647.4QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Jan 23 1995 19:394
I think you meant "alludes", though clearly OFWAMI finds performance
information "elusive".

				Steve
3647.5TPC InfoMIMS::SANDERS_JMon Jan 23 1995 20:098
    TPC info,
    
    $copy tpsys::sw_performance:[tpc_summary]tpc_sum.ps *.*  (Postscript)
     
    or
    
    $copy tpsys::sw_performance:[tpc_summary]tpc_sum.xls *.*  (Excel.XLS)
    
3647.6PERFOM::CSG_REPORTSI4GET::HENNINGTue Jan 24 1995 02:4921
    The 'official' numbers for hw announcements are published on each
    announcement day in the Performance Briefs and Performance Flashes,
    posted on the WWW, in VTX IR, and in:
    
    		PERFOM::CSG_REPORTS:
    
    (which is where things moved from MSBCS::CSG_REPORTS:).
    
    Many of the filespecs have obvious abbreviations to indicate  operating
    system, SerVeR, WorkStation, etc, and the date, in the form YYMMDD.
    
    Thus OSF_SVR_PERF_BRIEF_941103.PS describes the performance of servers
    announced in November 1994 under OSF with quite a bit of detail, and
    OSF_SVR_PERF_FLASH_941103.PS describes them more briefly.  A text
    version of the latter is available as OSF_SVR_PERF_FLASH_941103.TXT.
    
    To be added to the mailing list for announcements of future additions
    to the directory, send a request to PERFOM::CSGPERF
    
    	/John Henning
    	 CSG Performance Group
3647.7What is the intended audience for these reports?COUNT0::BELLCHAMBERSTue Jan 24 1995 09:1110
The reports referred to in the previous reply look as if they contain  some good
information. Question:

What is the intended audience for these reports?

Is it an internal audience or can these reports be given to Partners?

Regards

Paul
3647.8AllPERFOM::HENNINGTue Jan 24 1995 11:4411
> What is the intended audience for these reports?

> Is it an internal audience or can these reports be given to Partners?
    
    Check the documents when you print them ... I think you will find that
    most of the documents stored in that directory do NOT say "Internal Use
    Only", and some even explicitly carry a paragraph on "Intended
    Audience" to say that they are intended for partners, salespeople, and
    CUSTOMERS.
    
    	/john
3647.9Where to find everything from CSGPGPERFOM::HENNINGTue Jan 24 1995 11:55173
    Many of you may have read this when it appeared in the Sales Update
    25-Oct-94.  Attached is an updated version, reflecting the move of the
    group from BXB to ZKO and the move of the directory from MSBCS:: to
    PERFOM::
    
    Thanks to Lee for providing this.
         /john
    
From:	PERFOM::ALLISON      24-JAN-1995 08:47
To:	HENNING
CC:	
Subj:	FYI - where everything is

Product Performance Data Sources

Lee Allison
DTN 381-0343
603-881-0343
Nashua,NH    U.S.A.

Do you know which computer vendor holds--

	the highest AIM rating? 
	the top tpsA and the best tpsA price/performance measurements? 
	the highest NFS operations/second?
	the best graphics performance?

The answers to these and many other performance-related questions are easier
to get than you may think.

The CSG Performance Group provides customer-ready documents that highlight
the performance of Digital's platforms (Alpha, VAX, and MIPS) running such
industry-standard benchmarks as TPC, AIM, SPEC92, SPEC SFS (LADDIS), 
Xmark93, GPC/PLB, SYSmark93, LINPACK, NETmark, Dhrystone, DN&R Labs CPU2, CERN,
and others under DEC OSF/1 AXP, Windows NT, and OpenVMS. 

Of all our performance documents, perhaps the most recognizable are the
Alpha AXP Workstation and Server Performance Briefs. Published in support
of new Alpha AXP products' introductions, these documents contain "brief" 
descriptions of the new platforms and the benchmarks as well as  
graphs depicting Alpha AXP performance in comparison to the performance of
competitive systems. Test configurations and the performance of retired 
Alpha AXP platforms are appended. Companion documents, i.e., Alpha AXP 
Workstation and Server Performance Flashes, show only the performance of 
current Alpha AXP platforms.

Additional information is available on a variety of performance-related 
topics including tuning (OpenVMS, DEC OSF/1, and Windows NT Performance 
Primers), TPC (detailed discussion of TPC-A, TPC-B, TPC-C, and 
TPC-D workloads and test specifications in the TPC Primer), graphics (long and 
short versions of the Graphics Performance Summary), and even a report comparing
the relative performance of Alpha AXP and VAX systems. SPEC submission pages, 
AIM reports (both Digital and non-Digital), TPC Full-Disclosure Reports, and 
DECUS and symposium papers are also maintained on-line.

Why? Because all customers are concerned about performance. It is one of the 
hottest topics in any sales discussion and most certainly one of the top 
decision points. Industry-standard benchmarks provide customers with an
apples-to-apples comparison between vendors and are often required in 
RFPs. Most of these benchmarks are regulated through an industry consortium 
of vendors, a third-party corporation, or a commitment by vendors to 
standard testing methodologies. 

The CSG Performance Group is actively involved in the industry's performance 
community, and members of our group represent Digital at consortium meetings,
on steering committees, and at benchathons as well as play major roles in the 
development of new benchmarks. We are committed to ensuring that Digital's 
Alpha AXP performance leadership position continues.

In support of the October introduction of new servers and workstations, the
following documents will be available on announcement day or (shortly 
thereafter):

PART NUMBER	DOCUMENT
=============================================================================

EC-N3035-10  AlphaServer Family Performance Brief-Windows NT V1.0
EC-N3911-10  AlphaServer Family Performance Brief-OpenVMS AXP V4.0
EC-N3912-10  AlphaServer Family Performance Brief-DEC OSF/1 AXP V4.2

EC-N3888-10  AlphaStation Family Performance Brief-Windows NT V1.0
EC-N3889-10  AlphaStation Family Performance Brief-OpenVMS AXP V6.0
EC-N3890-10  AlphaStation Family Performance Brief-DEC OSF/1 AXP V4.3

EC-N3910-10  AlphaServer Graphics Performance Summary V2.0
EC-N3909-10  Alpha AXP and VAX Comparison V2.0

These documents and others can be found at several locations.

INTERNAL DIGITAL

	PERFOM::CSG_REPORTS--all documents published by the
		CSG Performance Group. The file DIRECTORY.INDEX contains 
                filenames and abstracts for each document stored
		in this directory.
	PERFOM::CSG_AIM--the most current AIM reports for Digital and 
                non-Digital platforms in PostScript format. See 
		AIM_DIRECTORY_INDEX.TXT for directory contents.
	PERFOM::CSG_TPC--the latest TPC results summary, XLS file 
             	from TPC, and TPC benchmark descriptions.
	
	INTEGRATED REPOSITORY (IR)--accessible through VTX, contains all of 
		the published Performance Briefs, Flashes, and Primers and 
		some SPEC submission sheets (SFS). Search by keyterm
		"PS" (Products and Services) or "PB" (Performance and 
		Benchmarking), or use "Performance" or "Benchmarks" to obtain 
		a list of available documents.

	FAST FACTS--electronic newsletter to internal Digital, press, and
		analysts that presents performance updates and information as
		they become available.

EXTERNAL DIGITAL

	INSTAfacts--a fax service that delivers information directly
		to your fax machine. Call 800-723-4431 (within U.S.A.) and
		908-885-6426 (outside U.S.A.). A catalog of currently available
		documents can be obtained to order 2-4 pages
		performance information that includes our Performance Flashes, 
		Digital TPC results, Digital's AIM results, Digital's graphics 
		results as well as other information on Digital's products and
		services.

	Internet-accessible gatekeeper.dec.com--specifically in 
             	pub/DEC/DECinfo/performance/sys directory.
        	Contains the Performance Briefs, Flashes, Graphics Summary,
		and the most current Alpha AXP and VAX comparison paper.

	CompuServe VAX Forum--the Performance Briefs and Flashes as
		well as other information CompuServe: 76703,4403 (mail or 
		GO VAXFORUM and look in the "hardware" library) or contact 
		Doyle Myers at Internet address doyle@wrq.com or 
		76703.4403@compuserve.com for more information.
 
	WWW (Digital's World-Wide Web)--Document URL (Uniform Resource Locator)
		is: http://www.digital.com/info/performance/sys.
		Currently contains the Performance Briefs, Flashes, and other
		performance-related documents.

	DECGenisys--has link to Digital's INTEGRATED REPOSITORY available
		with V1.2 (shipped early September 1994).

	Business Partner Update--monthly tabloid newspaper sent to Digital
		partners will contain from time to time articles on Alpha
		performance and announcements of available documents.
		
If you can't find what you need or have questions related to performance of
Digital's Alpha AXP or VAX platforms, you can contact the group directly at
PERFOM::CSGPERF or csgperf@zko.dec.com or call Lee Allison at 603-381-0343.
(please note that the group moved from Boxboro, MA to Nashua, NH in Nov '94)

So, which computer vendor holds-- 
	
	the highest AIM rating? 
	the top tpsA and the best tpsA price/performance measurements? 
	the highest NFS operations/second?
	the best graphics performance?  

			DIGITAL, of course !

AIM - 	DEC 7000 Model 750 at 643.5 AIMs, 5,283 User Loads, and 6,306.6 
      	Maximum Throughput

TPC - 	DEC 7000 Model 650 4-node cluster at 3,692.02 tpsA, $4,873/tpsA
	AND the best 7 of the top 10 tpsA price/performance results.

NFS - 	DEC AdvantageCluster File Server 3000 at 4,817 NFS operations/second 
	and average response time of 26.4 mseconds

Graphics - Xmark93 with 17.83 for the Model 900 ZLX-E1 configuration.  
	The vendor with the next highest Xmark93 is IBM with 14.19.  
	We currently have 8 other systems that also beat IBM.

3647.10Some things work, others...GLDOA::WERNERTue Jan 24 1995 12:1314
    Thanks for all the replies.
    
    RE: .5 - tried it, doesn't work.
    
    RE: .6 - tried it - works fine, but still waiting for the PS file to
    show up 20 minutes later. The network is still slow today.
    
    InstaFAX was the only system that delivered as advertised.
    
    WWW is full of indexes, but nothing is easy to get to and a search just
    put the server to sleep, needs work to be useful.
    
    -OFWAMI-
    
3647.11QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Jan 24 1995 12:1911
Re: .10

The WWW server is actually the easiest to use, once you know the magic
words.  Go to the "Products and Services" page (you can click on the words
on the home page image) and then select Performance Reports.  Or you can go
directly to this page by using http://www.digital.com/info/performance.html

From there you can select "System Performance", "Transaction Processing
Performance", and "Third-party Performance Information".

				Steve
3647.12CorrectionMIMS::SANDERS_JTue Jan 24 1995 16:3410
    re .5
    
    Sorry for the error.
    
    $copy tpsys::sw_performance:[tpc.summary]tpc_sum.ps *.*  (Postscript)
    
    or 
    
    $copy tpsys::sw_performance:[tpc.summary]tpc_sum.xls *.*  (Excel.XLS)
    
3647.13When the WEB bogs down...GLDOA::WERNERTue Jan 24 1995 17:318
    RE: .11
    
    Did it. The systems must be bogged down. When I got past that stage and
    tried to access specific documents the system/net went into hourglass
    gridlock and never came back. I actuall like the WEB and find it easy
    to use. The issue becomes system/WEB/NET bog. 
    
    -OFWAMI-