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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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1734.0. "Digital Logo Badge required" by VANINE::LOVELL () Wed Jan 22 1992 10:00

SHORT VERSION:

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PLEASE HELP - I need a good quality, heavy duty Digital Logo (like an 
embroidered jacket badge) in standard blue and white that is big enough (i.e. 
at least 10 cm.  x 5 cm.) to be stitched to a nylon carry bag to complete my
corporate image.  
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/Chris.

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Flyer of the flag and corporate citizen that I am :-), I have undertaken the
task of possessing one of Digital's neat little notebook PCs, loaded with all
the Teamlinks software and certainly attempt to use it wherever and whenever I
can, especially in the view of the Customers and public I meet who seem
potential targets for this rapidly growing market sector.  Of those that are
interested, most are very impressed by Digital's emerging capabilities in this
area.

This is not really an onerous task - I love the device and the Workgroup
software has ENORMOUS potential, even if it requires some tidying up yet.

One big let down for me is ........ the bag!  My 4-year old son has a 
smarter pencil case than the bag that is delivered with DEC's portables.  Even
worse, the Digital bag is almost completely useless compared to those on the 
market which can store your bits and bobs, Xircom adapters, external mouse
etc...

So off to TANDY I trotted to get a useful carrier for this mobile desktop
and purchased a wonderfully constructed Zipped, Velcroed, Strapped and Buckled
number for less than the DEC pencil case price, popped the DECpc 320sx
inside and told it that this was its new home - SO FAR SO GOOD.

Only problem now is, Customers see the big "TANDY" badge on the bag.  If
they actually see me using the device, they still see the bag and they have
said - "Wow TANDY really are moving into this market!" and "Can you get the
desktop software from TANDY as well?"

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PLEASE HELP - I need a good quality, heavy duty Digital Logo (like an 
embroidered jacket badge) in standard blue and white that is big enough (i.e. 
at least 10 cm.  x 5 cm.) to be stitched to a nylon carry bag to complete my
corporate image.  
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1734.1Consult the Corporate Identity ManualEMDS::ROSINSKIWed Jan 22 1992 11:5033
    One point of clarification here on the "correct logo."  This comes from
    a presentation given by someone from the Corporate Identity Committee 
    I attended.
    
    Blue on white is not the "standard logo," ie., registered trademark. 
    The registered trademark is a unique type face which is registered with 
    the federal government.  These letters are surrounded by the familiar
    boxes.  The entire logo is intended to appear as a stencil, so if the
    logo is printed on white paper, the boxes would be blue with white
    lettering showing through, or gray with white lettering showing through, 
    or whatever with white lettering showing through.  If the logo is 
    printed on say a black background, the black color must show through as 
    the color of the lettering, so you would have to have say gray boxes.
    I'm not sure if there are restrictions on the allowable colors for the
    boxes.
    
    Now I'm sure you're thinking that you have seen many cases where this
    isn't the way it's been done.  You'd be correct.  This is Digital after
    all.  Once a corporate policy is put into place, in this case the 
    Corporate Identity Manual, everyone freely chooses to go off and do 
    whatever they want anyway.  This causes us great legal problems stemming 
    from misuse of our registered trademark, and could result in our losing 
    it.
    
    The Corporate Identity Committee is on a campaign to clean up the
    abuses.  To that end, they have set up a Corporate Identity notesfile.
    I don't recal the node, but you should be able to find it in VTX. 
    There is a copy of the Corporate Identity Manual in there, and some
    information on Logo files.  Hope this helps.
    
    Happy Trails...
    
    Al
1734.2How about this?RANGER::PEASLEEWed Jan 22 1992 11:5913
    Just a suggestion - you may want to order part number PCP1C-XA.
    It is a leather bag for the DECpc 320P.  It is a briefcase style 
    with room for the base unit, AC Adapter, extra batteries, pointing 
    device, floppies etc.
    It is black leather and has the Digital logo embossed on it.
    Approximate dimensions are 17 x 13 x 2".  it is padded and soft-sided.  
    IMHO it is very classy looking and reflects a positive Digital 
    image.
    (I may be bias).
    
    Nancy Peaslee
    Product Manager DECpc 320P
                              
1734.3Less HassleCALS::DIMANCESCOWed Jan 22 1992 12:1816
    Re. .1 concerning corporate standards and legal issues
    
    I am all for a corporate standard and would support it.  But I am concerned
    that these things get overdone.  Large corporations develop this
    huge infrastructure of process people that are there to protect
    the corporation.  And staffs of lawyers scare the daylights out of
    everyone.  
    
    A by-the-way for all the work that the corporate people have done
    designing THE logo, and writing procedures, processes and rules about
    its use, I am willing to bet that you can probably find over a
    100 different of variations of the logo throughout Digital.
     
    I hope that the guy who wants to put a logo on his carrying case
    can do so as quickly as possible, as easily as possible, without
    hassles, restrictions, approvals, etc.
1734.4Reality Check Folks...BIGJOE::DMCLUREJust say Notification ServicesWed Jan 22 1992 13:0319
    	The guy wants to sew a patch on his bag fer christs sakes!
    Why the hell should it matter what whether he uses the correct logo
    or not?  After all, he bought it, so it is *his* bag now and he
    should be able to sew a picture of Mao on their if he wants to.

    	Besides, his bag is *not* an official DEC product, his bag
    is a Tandy product.  In fact, by following the advice in here
    and putting the exact digital logo on his bag, he might even get
    DEC in legal trouble for false advertising or something!  What if
    Tandy decided to sue DEC because it appeared we were pawning their
    bag off as our own!

    	Lighten up people!  It's a personal possesion.  He's looking
    for a way to do some subtle advertising for DEC - a little like
    slapping a "digital" bumper sticker on your car (which works as
    long as the car is attractive).  Let him do whatever he wants,
    or we are probably all liable.

    				   -davo
1734.5CURRNT::ALFORDAn elephant is a mouse with an operating systemWed Jan 22 1992 13:055
Press KP7 etc.


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1734.6Perhaps outsource for it?TENAYA::LWHEELERLloyd WheelerWed Jan 22 1992 14:589
    Re .0:
    
    If you cannot find a suitable carrying case or patch, you might
    consider having someone make a patch for you.  I believe that trophy
    and/or some sporting goods shops do (or did) this kind of thing for
    amateur sports teams and whatnot;  perhaps the cost would not be
    prohibitive.
    
    Lloyd
1734.7Take scissors in hand and remove the unwanted logo!SKNNER::SKINNERI'm doing my EARSWed Jan 22 1992 16:007
In the meantime, cut the threads that hold the TANDY logo "patch" and remove it.
You'll have a naked bag, but at least it won't say something you don't want it
to.

When you find the patch you want, sew it on!

/Marty
1734.8MU::PORTERJustified Ancient of MuWed Jan 22 1992 16:175
This note is really here just as a metaphor for what's wrong
with DEC, right?

A guy has a reasonable simple idea which has good potential
payback at minimal risk, and he gets "processed" to death.
1734.9Live Free or Die, right?EMDS::ROSINSKIWed Jan 22 1992 19:1224
    The originator of the note asked for information about the logo.  I
    gave him what information I had personally, and pointed him to an
    authoritative source for further information.  I'm dismayed to see
    that is being construed as representative of what is wrong with 
    Digital today.
    
    Yes, there are hundreds of examples around the corporation of logo's
    which do not properly represent the registered trademark.  That
    illustrates that the problem exists, not justifies that it should be 
    perpetuated.  The reason for this is that many people find the logo 
    boring, and wish to dress it up.  They may have a valid point, but that
    was not the subject of this note, and most assuredly would result in a
    major rathole.
    
    Some good points have been made.  It is his bag now to do with as he
    pleases.  The only potential for problem, as highlighted by a previous
    reply is if he is seen as being a representative of the corporation,
    misrepresenting our logo or someone else's product (the Tandy bag).
    
    I still hope my replies help, not hinder Chris's efforts.
    
    Happy Trails...
    
    Al
1734.10Oops! I guess my note was a little perky... ;^)BIGJOE::DMCLUREJust say Notification ServicesWed Jan 22 1992 20:307
re: -1,

	Sorry, I think I over-reacted a bit in my reply .4.  That can
    sometimes happen when wired on caffiene in the morning.  Please
    don't take anything I said in reply .4 personally.

    				    -davo
1734.11Smells familiar to me!CORPRL::RALTOI survived CTCThu Jan 23 1992 16:066
    Anyway, what's the big deal about taking something that Tandy
    made and sticking our logo on it?  We do it all the time with PC's! :-)
    
    Sorry, couldn't resist...
    
    Chris
1734.12I have one!CAPITN::WALL_PAWhat FCO?Thu Jan 30 1992 22:1114
    I have one!  It's perfect for what you want.  Unfortunately I am being
    TFSO'd and today is my last day.  However, if you still want this DEC
    logo badge, I am leaving it with the person listed below.  Please
    contact her and she will make arrangements to get it to you.
    
    	Liz Gibson  -  JULIET::GIBSON_EL
    
    		or
    
       DEC Office, Sacramento, California  916-362-2420
    
      Good Luck,
    		P. Wall