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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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540.0. "Is this conference productive?" by ROM01::CIPOLLA (Bruno Cipolla DigItaly, Rome) Thu May 19 1988 07:56

	this conference mentioned by BUSINESS WEEK.
    
    quote from The Business week article (may 16, page 50) about DEC
    
    "Easynet , which costs $40 million a year to run, isn't always
    productive for DEC either. Employees have filled its memory banks
    with personal notes and even esoteric discourses on the nature of
    DEC's corporate culture."
    
    {page 55 bottom right}
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540.1!GOOGLY::KERRELLI'm not a passenger...Thu May 19 1988 08:266
re .0:

There is an element of truth but 'filled' is an exaggeration worthy of a
tabloid. I presume there was no _official_ source for the article?

Dave.
540.2They wish...SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney DTN 352.2157Thu May 19 1988 16:493
    (I really am shouting)
    
    MCGRAW - HILL -- EAT YOUR HEART OUT!
540.3BUNYIP::QUODLINGIt's my foot! I'll Shoot it!Fri May 20 1988 03:2311
        have filled its memory banks....
        
        Sheesh the terminology is a bit dated, reflecting the awareness
        of the journalist,
        
        And who is he to say that esoteric discourses on the nature
        of the corporate culture, are not of some benefit to the
        corporation.
        
        q
        
540.4An interesting choice of words.LINCON::WOODBURYOK, now you can panic.Fri May 20 1988 14:1223
>    "Easynet , which costs $40 million a year to run, isn't always
>    productive for DEC either. Employees have filled its memory banks
>    with personal notes and even esoteric discourses on the nature of
>    DEC's corporate culture."
    
	Lets see now -

	"Filled" - hardly.  Even on notes concentrators like this one, there 
is still more productive information than personal information.  It just goes 
to show how much more disk space there is available inside DEC than there is 
in almost any single group outside DEC.

	"Esoteric" - '1. Designed for or understood only by the specially 
initiated 2. PRIVATE, SECRET.'  This is an accurate adjective since it is for
DEC internal use only by DEC employees (that is the specially initiated :^))
but the implication of its juxtaposition with "isn't always productive" is
not!  The guy has no idea how much having a forum to discuss "corporate
culture" has improved the moral of people outside the Greater Maynard Area! 
It also saves money to have it in "writing" since people can find the answers
they need without having to thrash the whole thing out each time.  The
failure to see the benefit this type of activity has for DEC shows a very
narrow minded focus and a large lack of imagination.  Who ever wrote this
seems to want to return to the corporate dark ages! 
540.5press honorROM01::CIPOLLABruno Cipolla DigItaly, RomeSun May 22 1988 13:206
    well, i think the important thing is that *this* conference has
    been *quoted* on Business Week!!
    
    p.s. agree with .4
    
    Bruno
540.6It's just dirty laundary - Don HenleyDCC::LANEWork ? Not now, I'm reading Notes.Tue May 24 1988 17:1617
540.7Out standing in the FieldNCCODE::KOWALSKITime and tide melt the snowmanTue May 24 1988 18:102
    Oh my!  And no mention of how Easynet support the Field!
    I think the article rates a ;-)
540.8Many computer experts..aren'tKYOA::MIANOSlava Iskusstvu, Vovyeki Slava!Wed May 25 1988 16:1914
Re: -2
The problem is quite simply this:

Most of the people who write on the computer industry and who research
it for Wall Street couldn't tell the difference between a VAX and a
Yugo.  If any of them got near either one it would destroy their image. 

As for filling up our memory banks, it seems the author has been
watching too many re-runs of "Lost in Space".  It seems incredible to
me that a major Magazine such a Businessweek would proudly display their
ignorance in this way. 

-John
540.9Is this better than the BW article ??DCC::LANEWork ? Not now, I'm reading Notes.Fri May 27 1988 09:12253
    Here is the article I discussed in reply .6.  See how this compares to
    the business week article. 

Excerpts from a report written by Marc Schulman at Salomon Brothers:
==========================================================================

                                IBM AND DEC: 
              THE BATTLE FOR SUPREMACY IN THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY
     
     Summary and Conclusions
     
     IBM and Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC) are adversaries with common 
     interests.  They are adversaries because DEC seeks to supplant IBM as 
     the primary supplier of computer systems to large organizations.  They 
     have common interests because their dominant positions are threatened 
     by the emergence of a Sun Microsystems - and AT&T - led alliance of 
     vendors whose goal is to undermine their market share by popularizing 
     computer systems based on the Unix operating system.  Because Unix has 
     emerged as the most popular operating system for workstations and 
     workstation demand is growing at a faster rate than minicomputer and 
     mainframe demand, the Unix threat and the "downsizing" threat are two 
     names for the same phenomenon.
     
     In this report, we describe and analyze the strategies that IBM and 
     DEC will pursue against each other and against their shared threat.  
     Our primary conclusions are, first, that DEC will continue to gain 
     market share at IBM's expense at least until such time as IBM 
     jettisons its System/370 architecture - an event that is unlikely to 
     occur before the mid-1990s, and, second, that the ability of the Unix 
     alliance to penetrate DEC's and IBM's customer bases will begin to 
     diminish within 6-12 months.
     
     
     IBM Versus DEC
     
     Both IBM and DEC seek to become the dominant vendor of company-wide 
     integrated computer networks.  That this is both companies' objective 
     is beyond dispute.  What is open to dispute is the strategies each 
     will follow in pursuit of this goal.  Because DEC's success in 
     penetrating IBM accounts has resulted in the proliferation of its 
     minicomputers and departmental networks, it is widely believed that 
     the company will continue to pursue a minicomputer-based strategy.  
     IBM has responded to DEC's inroads by endorsing the concept of 
     departmental computing and introducing new minicomputer systems - the 
     9370 and, soon, the Silverlake - thus, many have concluded that the 
     minicomputer will be the primary battleground between the two 
     companies.  If this conclusion is reached, two issues automatically 
     arise: First, will IBM be able to stem the erosion of its mid-range 
     market share; and, second, to what degree will IBM and DEC be hurt by 
     the displacement of minicomputer - base departmental system by local 
     area network (LAN)- based departmental systems.
     
     We believe that the minicomputer plays a relatively minor role in 
     IBM's and DEC's strategies; consequently, investors who are focusing 
     on the future trends in their minicomputer market shares and the 
     substitution of LAN-based departmental systems for minicomputer-based 
     departmental systems are concerned with the wrong issues.  In our 
     view, the battle between the two companies will be fought at both the 
     high end and at the low end;
     
     
     o IBM's strategy is to reduce - not enhance - the minicomputer's role, 
     by encouraging the migration of departmental data bases to mainframe 
     computers and the migration of departmental program execution to 
     workstations.  Support for this contention includes the recent 
     announcement of Enterprise Systems Architecture (ESA)/370 and IBM's 
     intention to introduce very powerful RT PC workstations.  By 
     facilitating the centralization of data bases, ESA/370 represents and 
     attempt to boost mainframe demand by redefining the role of the 
     mainframe to that of a corporate data repository from that of an 
     application program executor.  Thus, the mainframe assumes a role that 
     cannot be occupied by smaller processors.  This functional 
     differentiation should facilitate the maintenance of premium prices 
     for mainframes.  In combination with IBM's Systems Application 
     Architecture(SAA), ESA/370 provides the architectural foundation for 
     cooperative processing between mainframes, personal computers (PCs) 
     and workstations.  As its customers implement applications involving 
     cooperative processing, IBM's goal of having its low-end processors 
     stimulate demand for its high-end processors should finally begin to 
     be realized.
     
     o DEC's strategy is to expand its product line through the 
     introduction of significantly more powerful uniprocessors and 
     symmetric multiprocessors (SMPs).  This strategy began to unfold with 
     the introduction of the VAX 8800 Series in March.  In late 1988 or 
     early 1989, we expect DEC to announce uniprocessor and multiprocessor 
     versions of its Argonaut processor.  We believe that the performance 
     of the Argonaut will be more than double that of the VAX 8700 - the 
     uniprocessor upon which the VAX 8800 Series is based.  As evidenced by 
     the fact that the performance of DEC's SMPs is maximized in mixed 
     application environments, they are intended to meet all computing 
     requirements - ranging from office automation to transaction 
     processing to real-time processing - for up to 500 people.  Like IBM, 
     DEC views network-connected PCs and workstations as sources of demand 
     for the services of high-end processors.  This is evidenced by the 
     announcement of the Network Application Support (NAS) program in 
     January and the forthcoming formal introduction of DECwindows.  
     DECwindows provides the foundation for cooperative processing between 
     the VAX, IBM and IBM compatible PCs and the Apple Macintosh. 
     
     The key differences between IBM's and DEC's strategies are the roles 
     assigned to high-end processors and the range of low-end processors 
     that are supported.  In IBM's strategy, data is centralized at the 
     high end, program execution is distributed at the low end, and 
     cooperative processing involves the transparent movement of data 
     between high-end and low-end IBM processors.  In DEC's strategy, both
     data and application program execution are distributed, and 
     cooperative processing involves program segmentation and data movement 
     among DEC and non-DEC processors.  WE believe that DEC's strategy will 
     enable it to continue to take market share from IBM.  Our reasons are 
     as follows:
     
     o While IBM's installed base in major corporations is concentrated in 
     financial and administrative functions, DEC's is broadly distributed.  
     Years ago, DEC achieved a significant penetration of manufacturing and 
     development divisions.  Recently, the company broadened its 
     penetration to include such commercial application as office 
     automation.
     
     o Company-wide networks are being created from the bottom up, not the 
     top down.  Departmental networks are being combined into divisional 
     networks, and divisional networks are being combined into company 
     networks.  We believe that the greater breadth of DEC's penetration 
     means that it is better positioned to act as an integrator of separate 
     networks.  We also believe that department and division managers will 
     resist attempts at data base centralization.
     
     o Apple Computer's success in penetrating the business market means 
     that many corporations now have both IBM and Apple PCs.  Most 
     corporations will want both types of PCs to be connected to the same 
     network.  We doubt that IBM will support Apple PCs, because it would 
     hurt demand for IBM PCs.  Because it does not compete in the PC 
     market, DEC is not similarly constrained.  
     
     o Even in the unlikely event that the price/performance and 
     functionality of IBM's mainframes were enhanced to match those of 
     DEC's SMPS, DEC would retain a significant advantage-much lower 
     support costs.  Because of the complexities of the System/370 
     architecture, each mainframe installation requires the full-time 
     presence of professional programmers.  DEC's VAXes do not impose such 
     a requirement.  As networks grow in size, he support cost differential 
     widens.
     
     o By the mid-1990s, IBM may be in a position to replace the System/370 
     with more user-friendly architectures.  When fully implemented, SAA 
     will break the ties between machine architectures and application 
     programs.  Hence, SAS will provide a means by which IBM can change 
     architectures without obsoleting its customers' software investments.
     
[...]

     IBM and DEC VERSUS UNIX
     
     The Unix operating system was created by AT&T in 1970.  Its existence 
     was barely visible until the early 1980s, when a legion of start-up 
     companies opted to pay a license fee to AT&T in lieu of developing 
     proprietary operating systems.  By utilizing Unix, they reduced their 
     product time to market, and the amount of venture capital required to 
     fund product development.  Although Unix is a multiuser operating 
     system, start-ups that utilized Unix for multiuser systems were 
     largely unsuccessful.  Instead, it was start-ups that employed Unix in 
     single-user workstations that met with success.  Thus, the popularity 
     of workstations is responsible for the popularity of Unix.
     
     Few, if any, people claim that Unix is superior to the proprietary 
     operating systems available from IBM, DEC and others.  In fact, Unix 
     suffers from a number of shortcomings.  Despite these shortcomings, 
     Unix has become a force to be reckoned with, largely because of a 
     successful proselytizing effort by Sun Microsystems.  Sun has 
     positioned Unix as the means by which computer users can escape their 
     enslavement to proprietary operating systems.  One component of its 
     message has been that, because Unix and only Unix is available from 
     many vendors, it follows that the only way to create multivendor 
     networks is to have all of the systems on the network run Unix.
     
     To date, Sun has been right.  Although IBM and DEC offer Unix-based 
     systems, neither has integrated Unix into its computing environment.  
     Hence, neither has provided a reason for their customers to purchase 
     Unix-based systems from themselves, rather than from other vendors.
     
     As a result, Sun and other Unix vendors have rapidly penetrated IBM's 
     and DEC's customer bases.  By this time next year, both IBM and DEC 
     will have integrated Unix into their respective computing 
     environments.  When this occurs, other vendors are likely to find it 
     far more difficult to sell to their customer bases.
     
     o DEC's response to the Unix threat is more far reaching.  As part of 
     its DECwindows program, which we expect to be formally announced in 
     the late summer, DEC will support interoperability between VAXes 
     running its proprietary VMS operating system and VAXes running Ultrix 
     (DEC's version of Unix).  When this occurs, VMS-and Ultrix-based VAXes 
     will be able to share files and engage in cooperative processing.  
     Because other vendors' Unix-based systems will not be supported by 
     DECwindows, DEC will provide its customers with an incentive to buy 
     their Unix products from DEC. The exclusion from DECwindows of other 
     vendors' Unix-based systems does not mean that DEC's VMS-based systems 
     will not be able to participate in multivendor networks.  DECwindows 
     is a proprietary extension of X-Windows, a set of industry-standard 
     protocols relating to graphical interfaces.  In the next generation of 
     graphics products, VMS's current graphics protocols will be replaced 
     by the X-Windows protocols.  When this done, VMS-based VAXes will be 
     able to participate in multivendor networks.  What will be missing is 
     the added functionality provided by DECwindows.
     
     o In its recent strategic endorsement of Unix, IBM announced that the 
     AIX operating system will be supported on 3090s, 4381s and 9370s in 
     March 1989. AIX is the same version of Unix that runs on IBM's RT PC 
     workstations and the PS/2 Model 80.  In July, IBM will release its 
     Common Programming Interface(CPI)for AIX.  Applications conforming to 
     CPI will be able to run on System/370s, RT PCs and the Personal 
     System/2 (PS/2) Model 80.  IBM is erecting a barrier to the 
     penetration of its customer base, because only AIX-based workstations 
     and PCs will have applications  commonality with its 
     System/370-architected minicomputers and mainframes.  Unlike DEC, IBM 
     has not indicated as intention to provide interoperability between 
     systems running its version of Unix and systems running its 
     proprietary operating systems.  Although IBM has endorsed X-Windows, 
     it has not indicated an intention to alter the graphics protocols of 
     its proprietary operating systems to support it.  Hence, we believe 
     that the only IBM processors that will support X-Windows will be those 
     running AIX.
     
     Thus far, we have focused on the measures that IBM and DEC will take 
     to defend their customer bases from being penetrated further by other 
     vendors' products, and, in DEC's case, the measures that will provide 
     for interoperability between its VMS-based systems and Unix-based 
     systems.  In addition, both companies will be introducing more 
     powerful workstations.
     
     o IBM has publicly stated that it will introduce an RT PC in 1989 that 
     will be more than four times as powerful than the current RT.  Based 
     upon benchmarks recently released by an independent performance 
     testing organization (Workstation Laboratories located in Dallas, 
     Texas), we estimate that the RT PC to be introduced next year will 
     have twice the current performance of Sun's most powerful workstation 
     - the 4/260/  This summer, we expect DEC to introduce a workstation 
     using two CVAX chips to produce processing power equivalent to that of 
     a Sun 4/260.  We expect this product - code-named Firefox - to be 
     priced at $60,000-70,000.  Next year, we anticipate that DEC will 
     introduce its first workstation employing a reduced instruction set 
     (RISC) architecture.  We believe that the workstation will be capable 
     of executing 15 million instructions per second (MIPS).
     
     o Recently, DEC's management stated that an SMP version of the Ultrix 
     operating system will begin testing this fall.  If SMP capabilities 
     are implemented in Ultrix as they are implemented in VMS - entirely in 
     software - then the SMP version of Ultrix should be able to run the 
     RISC workstation.  Hence, we believe that there is a good chance that 
     DEC will introduce a four-processor version of the workstation 
     sometime in 1989.  The performance of DEC's product would be similar 
     to that of Apollo Computer's recently announced Series 1000, 
     deliveries of which are scheduled to begin in the fall.  We are not 
     aware of any IBM plans to introduce SMP versions of RT PC.
540.10Marc's a popular guy at Digital this weekSDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney DTN 352.2157Fri May 27 1988 12:313
    I've seen this report in so many VAX Notes conferences this week.
    Next time I see Marc I'll have to tell him what a big fan club he has
    here over at Digital. 
540.11Easynet article not *that* bad...MCIS2::HARDYWhat, no wiseacre comment?Sat May 28 1988 00:0119
    
    	Re .0, .4:
    
    	The very last line of the short article on Easynet is: "Still, says
    	Olsen, Easynet keeps DEC's employees keenly focused on selling
    	strictly compatible, easily networked computers."
    
    		In all fairness to BW and the author, this article mostly
    	covered Easynet's contribution to DEC's management style, product
    	development, engineering, sales, and reductions in operating
    	costs and time.  The line about employees "filling its memory
    	banks with personal notes...", etc., seems unfortunate, as it
    	appears to me that the vast majority of conferences are directly
    	concerned with DEC's products and have proven to be of great
    	benefit to employee productivity since its inception.  I think
    	that the relatively small number of conferences that discuss
    	employee interests is a great credit to DEC and the DEC way
    	of working.
    						Dave
540.12What goes around ...TEASE::LEARYEdward M. Leary @EKOFri Jun 17 1988 20:047
    I also read the article and chuckled to myself, since I also remembered
    previous, positive articles, extolling the virtues of DEC.  I think
    that we even had reprints made of some of them.
    
    Is it any wonder that Ken is smiling on the cover.  If our "memory
    banks" get filled, we just build a bigger (and faster) one.