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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

226.0. "A DEC joke?" by REGENT::GETTYS (Bob Gettys N1BRM) Wed Dec 03 1986 22:48

                I found this in the current issue (December) of DEC
        Profesional, and I couldn't resist typing it in! It is in the
        column at the back of the magazine called BACK END written by
        John C. Dvorak. (John even invited us to post it on our bulletin
        board. I think this conference qualifies as a "bulletin board".)
                
                
                
                
                The Worlds Greatest Light Bulb Joke
                
                
        Q: How many DEC employees does it take to change a light bulb?
        
        A: 2 People - Preliminary discussion on concept of change.
        
        1 Person - Devise and write formal bulb architecture.
        
        2 People - Feasability study and timetable of events.
        
        2 People - Produce four utilities to reduce screw-in time (in
        addition to the eletric utility).
        
        1 Person - Maintain ISO and DEC standards (sockets, voltage,
        AC/DC).
        
        4 People - Commonality task force on bulb change.
        
        15 People - Change bulb.
        
        5 People - Perform bulb functional test.
                
        2 People - Perform bulb load test.
             
        3 People - Perform bulb regression test.
                
        1 Person - Perform bulb performance analysis.
                
        1 Person - Perform bulb bottleneck analysis.
                
        1 Person - Follow-up study (bulb merge feasibility).
                
        1 Person - Interface with Utilities Commision.
        
        1 Person - Interface with users (Did they want incandesant when
        we only supply non-tunable point product?) BAX (Bulbs Are
        eXpensive)!
        
        5 People - Perform BOSE (Build Other Socket Enhancements)
        compatibility/architecture study.
        
        3 People - Ensure form (round/square/clear/frosted) follows
        function (wattage, 120/240 volts, visible/ultraviolet, flashing,
        flood/spot).
        
        3 People - Implement temporary alternative bulb socket for
        already(!?) existing, successful, and profitable socket
        (bulb-in-one).
        
        5 People - Determine how to market/package/distribute temporary
        alternative bulb socket.
        
        10 People - Determine how to perform bulb change product split
        (control: switches/dimmers; versus implementation: screw-in
        torque, recovery strategies).
        
        1 Person - Interface with Utilities Commission QA group.
        
        1 Person - Submit to BDC (Bulb Distibution Center).
        
        1 Person - Set up BPR (Bulb Problem Reports) system.
        
        10 People - Answer customer BPR's.
        
        11 People - Football team to challenge bulb changers.
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226.1I've heard better sheep jokesBUDMAN::RYANdangerous danWed Dec 03 1986 23:394
  
    
    dd;
    
226.2we're talking OLD materialEXODUS::SEGERthis space intentionally left blankThu Dec 04 1986 11:377
Sounds like a bunch of people who never got Bad Joke Of the Day mailed 
to them.  This was out at least 5 years ago.  Now the real question is 
how many DEC engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?

2 -- one always quits in the middle of the project.

-mark
226.3Then theres...APOLLO::CASSIDYHail to the Purple, Hail to the GoldThu Dec 04 1986 12:428
    Then there is the one : (with apologies to CSSE)
    
    How many DEC Field Service engineers does it take to change a tire?
    
    Five -- four to hold the car up while the fifth swaps tires until
    he finds the bad one.
    
    Charlie
226.4Another bad jokeGRAMPS::LISSESD&P ShrewsburyThu Dec 04 1986 14:429
    This one was told to me about eight or nine years ago by a Raytheon
    employee.
    
    How many people work at DEC?
    
    I guess about half of them.
    
    					Fred
    
226.5The truth hurts.BLUES::HATCHERThu Dec 04 1986 16:3510
    This may have been out a bunch of years ago, but it seems to still
    be true today.
    
    Has the process gotten better or worse?  Are we better off now than
    we were five years ago?
    
    Let's hear it!
    
    Bob Hatcher
    
226.6How many VMS programmers does it takeMAY20::MINOWMartin Minow, MSD A/D, THUNDR::MINOWThu Dec 04 1986 16:503
to change a light bulb.

One, but you can never change it back again.
226.7Shedding a little light on the subjectTHEBAY::WAKEMANLACybernetic EtymologistThu Dec 04 1986 17:3216
    How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
    
    
    Is it a bug light?
    
    
    Thats a hardware problem?
    
    
    5, one to change the bulb and four to document it.
    
    This last one also applies to Californians, one to change it and
    four to share the experience.
    
    Larry - Native Californian (San Francisco Bay Area)
    
226.8nothing like getting off the subject!EXODUS::SEGERthis space intentionally left blankFri Dec 05 1986 15:359
how many unix/ultrix programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?

7!  3 to write the application and 4 to hack the kernel

how do VMS programmer's change a lightbulb?

they hold the bulb and wait for the world to turn around them

-mark
226.9And we digress even furtherTHEBAY::WAKEMANLACybernetic EtymologistFri Dec 05 1986 18:195
    >how do VMS programmer's change a lightbulb?
    
    And the correct answer is:

    None, it can't be done in VMS
226.10Continuation of .3ULTRA::CHILDSEd ChildsFri Dec 05 1986 20:045
    RE: .3
    
    Q: And how long will it take to change the tire?
    
    A: It depends on how many flat ones they brought with them!
226.11It won't take long at all.NSSG::FUSCIDEC has it (on backorder) NOW!Fri Dec 05 1986 20:313
As soon as the first spare is found to be bad, they'll "P1" a new car!

Ray
226.12I heard this oneNEWVAX::ESTEKISat Dec 06 1986 04:465
    RE: .2
    
    >how many DEC engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
    
    None, they have marketing trun it into a feature!!..
226.13Funny, butEXIT26::STRATTONWe're gonna need a bigger boatSun Dec 07 1986 21:354
        Can we move this to JOKES.NOTE, please?  Thanks.
        
Jim Stratton
        
226.14If it's too hot in hte kitchen.....JON::ROZETTFri Dec 12 1986 13:478
    re: .13
    
    WHY?  These jokes are most certainly relative to life at DEC!!
    
    Even though most are humorous on the surface, they may very well
    have some very serious things to say about the way we are!!!!!
    
    
226.15What a laugh!!DEPOT::FLATHERSWed Dec 24 1986 14:024
    
    Reply to #.6   What a laugh!!!!  I used to work at Raytheon in Waltham
    about 10 years ago. And if I worked more than 2 hours a day, I was
    accused of "killing someone elses job"!
226.16Moved by ModeratorPIWACT::KLEINBERGERMost of an angel is in the insideFri Oct 07 1988 18:25331
          <<< HUMAN::DISK$HUMAN_WRKD:[NOTES$LIBRARY]DIGITAL.NOTE;1 >>>
                          -< The DEC way of working >-
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Note XXX.0                     How Many DECies?                       22 replies
CEOSRV::CROWLEY "Noting Ventured, Noting Gained"     71 lines   5-OCT-1988 16:51
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[original distribution lists removed per request.]
 
HOW MANY DECies DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHTBULB?


ANSWER:

   2 people - Preliminary discussion on concept of change

   1 person  - Devise and write formal bulb architecture

   2 people  - Feasibility study and timetable of events

   2 people  - Produce four utilities to reduce screw-in time
                ( this is in addition to the ELECTRIC UTILITY)

   1 person  - Maintain ISO and DEC standards (sockets, voltage, AC/DC)

   4  people  - Commonalty task force on bulb change

  15 people  - change light bulb

   5  people  - perform bulb functional test

   2  people  - perform bulb load test

   3  people  - perform bulb regression test

   1  person  - perform bulb performance test

   1  person  - perform bulb bottleneck analysis

   1  person  - follow-up study ( bulb merge feasibility )

   1  person  - Interface with utilities commission

   1  person  - interface with users ( Did they want incandescent when we
                 supply non-tunable fluorescent point product, BAX- Bulb are
                 expensive!)

   5  people  - Perform BOSE ( Build Other Socket Enhancements )

   3  people  - Perform VIA  ( Voltage Increases Amps ) Phase 2 compatibility
                architecture/study

   2  people  - Ensure form ( round, square, clear/frosted) follows function
                (wattage, 120/240 V, visible/ultra-violet, flashing, 
                 flood/spot)

   3  people  - implement temporary alternative bulb socket 
                for already existing, profitable socket. (bulb-in-one)

   5  people  - Determined how to market/package/distribute temporary
               alternative bulb socket

  10  people  - determine how to perform bulb product split
                     Control -- switches vs. dimmers
                 Implementation -- screw-in torque, recovery strategies

   1 person   - Interface with utilities commission QA group

   1 person   - submit to BDC (Bulb Distribution Center)

   1 person   - set up BPR system (Bulb Problem Reports)

  10 people   - Answer customer BPR's

  11 people   - Football team to challenge bulb changers
 _______

  94   DECcies to change a light bulb !!!!
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Note xxx.1                     How Many DECies?                          1 of 22
CEOSRV::CROWLEY "Noting Ventured, Noting Gained"      5 lines   5-OCT-1988 16:54
                            -< And don't forget... >-
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	And we might as well add,

     2 People	-- Moderators of the inevitable BULBS Conference

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Note xxx.2                     How Many DECies?                          2 of 22
EAGLE1::EGGERS "Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture"  11 lines   5-OCT-1988 17:56
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    And
    
    1 person 	--	Co-ordinate with the fire project
    
    2 people	--	End-of-life-cycle planning
    
    1 person	--	Verify eye-safety standards
    
    --------
    
    100	people
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Note xxx.3                     How Many DECies?                          3 of 22
CHUCKM::MURRAY "Chuck Murray"                         3 lines   5-OCT-1988 18:37
                       -< Don't forget us tech writers. >-
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Re: < Note xxx.0 by CEOSRV::CROWLEY "Noting Ventured, Noting Gained" >

You forgot the documentation...
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Note xxx.4                     How Many DECies?                          4 of 22
SRFSUP::MORRIS "Invisible, intelligent or pretty"     6 lines   5-OCT-1988 20:27
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    And what about the inevitable re-organization in the middle of the
    project?
    
    
    Ashley in smogland
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Note xxx.5                     How Many DECies?                          5 of 22
NYEM1::MILBERG "Barry Milberg"                       13 lines   6-OCT-1988 00:07
                         -< for the Enterprise answer >-
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    multiply by:
    
    	number of cross-functional organizations involved
    
    and then
    
    multiply again by:
    
    	number of geographic boundaries crossed
    
    
    -Barry-
    
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Note xxx.6                     How Many DECies?                          6 of 22
VMSNET::WOODBURY "Atlanta Networks/VMS Support"        1 line   6-OCT-1988 00:21
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	So that's why DEC stock took such a hit today! 8^}
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Note xxx.7                     How Many DECies?                          7 of 22
CURIE::SRINIVASAN                                     5 lines   6-OCT-1988 07:32
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    Some one has " Digital"ized this joke, which used  to  be very common
    in Auto world in Detoit. The original joke was " How many EDS people
    it takes to change a light bulb ? Answer was ""WE DO NOT KNOW- WE ARE 
    STILL HIRING... 
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Note xxx.8                     How Many DECies?                          8 of 22
CVG::THOMPSON "Grump grump grump"                      1 line   6-OCT-1988 10:26
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    What about internationalization issues? 
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Note xxx.9                     How Many DECies?                          9 of 22
MISFIT::DEEP "This NOTE's for you! "                 17 lines   6-OCT-1988 10:29
                        -< I hate this new math!  8^) >-
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re: < Note xxx.2 by EAGLE1::EGGERS "Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture" >
                                                     ^^^^

!                                  -< 5 more >-
!
!    And
!    
!    1 person 	--	Co-ordinate with the fire project
!    
!    2 people	--	End-of-life-cycle planning
!    
!    1 person	--	Verify eye-safety standards
!    

Hmmm... 1 + 2 + 1 = 5 ...  So *THATS* how MIPS get figured!   8-)

Bob
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Note xxx.10                    How Many DECies?                         10 of 22
EAGLE1::EGGERS "Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture"   9 lines   6-OCT-1988 11:04
                                 -< alpha hit >-
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    Hmmmm. <blush, blush>, errrr ---
    
    Would you believe an alpha hit in the subtotal calculation routine?
    
    Note .0	listed	94 people
         .1		2
     my  .2		4	(not 5, thank you for the correction)
    		    --------
    			100	I got this subtotal right (I hope)
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Note xxx.11                    How Many DECies?                         11 of 22
MIST::SHORT                                           9 lines   6-OCT-1988 12:25
                  -< wasn't the lightbulb project cancelled? >-
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    You also forget the STF meeting, another dozen or so people.
    
    And the real answer is you can't change a light bulb...
    
    
    The project got cancelled!
    
    
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Note xxx.12                    How Many DECies?                         12 of 22
JETSAM::HANAUER "Mike... Bicycle~to~Ice~Cream"        9 lines   6-OCT-1988 13:06
                         -< No lightbulbs = Mushroom >-
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>    The project got cancelled!
 

So that's why I've been in the dark for so long.

	~Mike   

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Note xxx.13                    How Many DECies?                         13 of 22
WHIRL::HCROWTHER "Harry Crowther = US/DIS/DRC = 223-1" 1 line   6-OCT-1988 13:30
                       -< It's deja vu all over again! >-
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    See also #226 above...
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Note xxx.14                    How Many DECies?                         14 of 22
BOLT::MINOW "Fortran for Precedent"                   3 lines   6-OCT-1988 14:38
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One, but you can never change it back again.

M.
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Note xxx.15                    How Many DECies?                         15 of 22
INCH::RUSSELL "I've never seen it do *that* before!" 12 lines   7-OCT-1988 04:06
                         -< The correct answer is.... >-
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    no, no, no.
    
    You've all missed the correct answer, which is zero.
    
    Why?
    
    Because real Deccies aren't afraid of the dark....
    
    :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  
    
    Peter.
    
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Note xxx.16                    How Many DECies?                         16 of 22
CVG::THOMPSON "Grump grump grump"                     6 lines   7-OCT-1988 09:23
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    A related topic is "How many Software Engineers does it take
    to change a light bulb?"
    
    None. That is a hardware problem.
    
    			Alfred
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Note xxx.17                    How Many DECies?                         17 of 22
SRFSUP::MORRIS "Invisible, intelligent or pretty"     6 lines   7-OCT-1988 11:06
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    How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb?
    
    
    1, but the lightbulb has to *want* to change.
    
    Ashley
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Note xxx.19                    How Many DECies?                         19 of 22
EAGLE1::EGGERS "Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture"   5 lines   7-OCT-1988 11:19
                                    -< CA >-
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    How many Californians does it take to change alight bulb?
    
    
    
    Five. One to change the bulb and four to share the experience.
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Note xxx.20                    How Many DECies?                         20 of 22
ULTRA::HERBISON "Communication is the root of insecu" 5 lines   7-OCT-1988 12:19
         -< What does this have to do with `The DEC way of working'? >-
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        How many moderators does it take to stop this discussion?
        
        I'd like to find out.
        
        					B.J.
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Note xxx.21                    How Many DECies?                         21 of 22
DR::BLINN "This space intentionally left blank"       6 lines   7-OCT-1988 14:23
                               -< Good point.. >-
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        Good point, B.J.  Further contributions that tie this to the
        "DEC way of working" are welcome, but extensions of the "how
        many 'x' does it take to change 'y'" probably belong in the
        non-existent HUMOR conference (or the under-wraps JOKES).
        
        Tom
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MISFIT::DEEP "This NOTE's for you! "                  0 lines   7-OCT-1988 14:49
                              -< Ok, Dad... 8^) >-
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