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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

265.0. "REGISTER using DNS Subdirectories?" by TAZBOY::ZIGLER (Tom Zigler, DTN 432-7541) Mon Aug 20 1990 14:11

    We are running the DECmcc-BMS UT1.0.1 software on a VAXstation 3100
    Model 30 running VMS V5.3 and we have a question regarding the REGISTER
    command.  Should DNS subdirectories always be used now whenever
    registering any entity?  For example:
    
    	MCC> register snmp ipdevice
    		or
    	MCC> register snmp .mcc_snmp.ipdevice
    
    	MCC> register bridge 800to400
    		or
    	MCC> register bridge .mcc_bridge_backtranslation.800to400
    
    The release notes seem to imply now that one should specify DNS
    subdirectories when registering ANY entity.  However, the conversion
    utilities, MCC_NODE4_LOAD.COM and MCC_RBMS_CONVERT_MAIN.EXE, generate
    *.TMP files with DNS subdirectories specified for the NODE4 entities
    but NOT for the BRIDGE entities.  I used the MCC_DNS_SETUP.COM
    procedure to generate my DNS directories.
    
    Can someone provide me with clarification on this issue?  Also, if I
    can use DNS subdirectory specifications for all my entities, can I correct
    the situation merely by the ERASE and REGISTER commands?
    
    Please advise.
    
    		\Thanks in Advance
    
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265.1re: .0BARREL::LEMMONMon Aug 20 1990 14:5842
>    We are running the DECmcc-BMS UT1.0.1 software on a VAXstation 3100
>    Model 30 running VMS V5.3 and we have a question regarding the REGISTER
>    command.  Should DNS subdirectories always be used now whenever
>    registering any entity?  For example:
>
>    	MCC> register snmp ipdevice
>    		or
>    	MCC> register snmp .mcc_snmp.ipdevice
>    
>    	MCC> register bridge 800to400
>    		or
>    	MCC> register bridge .mcc_bridge_backtranslation.800to400
>    

  It is not "required" to register all global entities using a DNS
  directory.  I would say that it is recommended.  This is because
  you reduce the clutter in the DNS root directory.  


  Also, I noticed that in your example you specify the directory 
   mcc_bridge_backtranslation.   I don't think that it is a good idea 
   to use this directory because the BRIDGE AM uses it internally.  Create 
   another directory (e.g., MCC_BRIDGES)

>    The release notes seem to imply now that one should specify DNS
>    subdirectories when registering ANY entity.  However, the conversion
>    utilities, MCC_NODE4_LOAD.COM and MCC_RBMS_CONVERT_MAIN.EXE, generate
>    *.TMP files with DNS subdirectories specified for the NODE4 entities
>    but NOT for the BRIDGE entities.  I used the MCC_DNS_SETUP.COM
>    procedure to generate my DNS directories.
>    
>    Can someone provide me with clarification on this issue?  Also, if I
>    can use DNS subdirectory specifications for all my entities, can I correct
>    the situation merely by the ERASE and REGISTER commands?
>    

   You can use DNS subdirectrory specifications, providing the DNS directory
    exists, when registering all global entities.

    Use the DEREGISTER command instead of the ERASE.

/Jim
265.2Bridge AM internal?WLYWLD::BRIENENChris Brienen - DECmcc (non-DECnet) AMsMon Aug 20 1990 16:547
    Just a nit:
    
    The .mcc_bridge_backtranslation directory is used by the
    MCC_DNS Routines (maybe Configuration FM, too?).

    The Bridge AM accesses (reads) it indirectly by calling
    MCC_DNS routines to translate name <-> address(es).
265.3tcp/ip ain't decnetMKNME::DANIELETue Aug 21 1990 12:3719
> You can use DNS subdirectrory specifications, providing the DNS directory 
> exists, when registering all global entities.                            

	Nope, not SNMP.  The name you use in a REGISTER SNMP command must be
	a known host name.  That is, it is either in UCX's local host database,
	or it is a resolvable internet domain name ( assuming you have enabled
	the UCX V1.3 BIND resolver ).  

	Neither of these have any connection whatsoever with DECdns, so
	a name like '.mcc_anything.router3' is almost certain to fail.

	There is a dns subdirectory used by mcc to process SNMP entities, but
	that's for private use by mcc.

	Hopefully the TCP/IP SNMP AM Use book and release notes cover this
	sufficiently...

	Regards,
	Mike
265.4re:.3BARREL::LEMMONTue Aug 21 1990 17:596
   If this is the case, all SNMP global entities MUST be stored in the DNS root
directory.  Couldn't the access module strip off the directory part of the 
name prior to accessing the agent?  


/Jim
265.5noMKNME::DANIELETue Aug 21 1990 18:5517
	SNMP entities are not identified by a DNS fullname, but rather by an
	Internet Name.  TCP/IP is not DECnet.  TCP/IP has its own name service.
	There is really no reason to register TCP/IP entities in DECdns, 
	other than the fact that it's a requirement for mcc to work.

	Given that, there is no problem ( in my opinion ) in storing SNMP 
	instances in a specific directory in DECdns ( it's actually .mcc_ip ).
	These instances are stored there to make DECmcc work, NOT to build
	a DECdns namespace.  The Internet name space already exists.

	To add to the fun, Internet Domain Names look like fullnames: 
		foo.bar.yuch.punt

	So the mcc dns routines have to take special care in handling them.

	Hoping this is somewhat clearer,
	Mike
265.6Probs registering SNMP entitiesWARNUT::GALLACHERMWed Aug 22 1990 10:0119
    
    Hi Mike,
    
    I have installed the SNMP AM on our pet MCC system. I have had some
    trouble in getting it to work:
    
    DNS-E-NOENTRYEXISTS (or something)
    
    From your last node I gathered that the .mcc_ip dierctory should exist
    - once I created it via dns$control I was able to register SNMP
    entities through MCC with no problems. 
    
    Should the SNMP access module installation create this do this
    directory ???
    
    Mark
    -//-
    
    PS Is theer anywhere I get get my hands on some SNMP icons ???
265.7BMS/Director functionMKNME::DANIELEWed Aug 22 1990 12:2110
	Hi Mark,

	Yes, there was some confusion about this, sorry.

	It's mentioned in the BMS/director release notes.  I believe it will
	be performed by the dns startup procedure that massages dns for mcc.

	Regards,
	Mike
	
265.8Th e COM file will be updated.TOOK::JESURAJThu Aug 30 1990 04:294
    Yup !! The COM will be updated to create .MCC_IP directory be done
    before DECmcc V1.0 ships.
    
    / Jesuraj
265.9SNMP IconsMAVIC::D_MOOREThu Aug 30 1990 15:5811
  Re: .6
  PS Is theer anywhere I get get my hands on some SNMP icons ???

  The Iconic Map PM and Domain FM do not support the SNMP entity at this
  time.  That is why we didn't supply SNMP icons for the Iconic Map toolbox.
  This work is in progress and we are expected to support SNMP icons in the
  next field test release.  At this point, please do not try to find or
  create SNMP icons.
						- Dave Moore
						  Iconic Map and Domain pl