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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

1359.0. "Iconic Map PM dictionary access problem" by CCIIS1::ROGGEBAND () Tue Aug 20 1991 11:21

    Hi all,
    
    I've just run into an interesting problem : I re-installed a brand-new
    DECmcc BMS, on which I added :
    
    DECnet FDA
    DECmcc ELM
    SNMP T1.1
    ICMP
    Terminal server AM
    GAB AM
    
    Each time only updating the dictionnary, but *not* rebuilding parse
    tables.
    
    I then augmented the GAB and SNMP enitities so that they would support
    the historian.
    
    I then built the parse tables at night in a batch job.
    
    Now, I can run MCC in command line mode, but when I try to start up the
    iconic map, I get the following message :
    
    Presentation name for an attribute group/partition is not in the
    Dictionary.
    %MCC-F-PM_DICT_NO_PRES, Presentation name for an attribute
    group/partition is not in the Dictionary.
    
    The only clue I have is that when the parse tables got rebuilt, the
    following message came up :
    
    ...
    
    Processing entity 17 27 19
    %MCCPTB-E-NODICT, Unable to access the dictionary.
    Processing entity 17 27 19 21
    
    and then it proceeded.
    
    ANy ideas on where to look? Entity 17 27 19 is the terminal server
    internet ARP entitity.
    
    This is what I get under DAP if I do SHOW on class terminal_server,
    subclass internet, subclass AR. 
    
       Class (1) : TERMINAL_SERVER
         Subclass (2) : INTERNET
    -----> Subclass (2) : ARP
             Definition (3) : PRESENTATION_NAME
             Definition (3) : INSTANCE_REQUIRED
             Definition (3) : DYNAMIC
             Subclass (2) : ENTRY 21
             Directive (6) : SHOW 1
             Attribute_Partition (11) : IDENTIFIERS 1
    
    Show definition Presentation Name 
    
    Definition Name = PRESENTATION_NAME
       Type = T   Length = 3   Count = 1   Defined = TRUE   Class = S
       value[1] = "Arp"
    
    The inly thing which seems odd to me is to have an Identifiers
    attribute partition... but no attributes.
    
    Any clues ? I will re-install the terminal_server Am tonight and
    rebuild the parse tables. BTW, I have the initial release of the SNMP
    T1.1 AM.
    
    Is there a "trick" to get the Iconic Map PM to tell me a bit more about
    what it's trying to do ?
    
    Should I re-install *everything* ? (oh boy !)
    
    Regards,
    
    Philippe.
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1359.1TSAM looks okayTOOK::L_CARDANIWed Aug 21 1991 12:098
    The error you saw when rebuilding the parse tables for TSAM is
    expected.  It has been mentioned in this notesfile many times.  It's
    okay just as it is - the ARP entity has nothing but an identifier
    and a subentitiy (ENTRY).  
    
    I don't think it is related to your other problem.
    
     - Linda
1359.2CCIIS1::ROGGEBANDWed Aug 21 1991 14:1416
    Hi,
    
    I believe the error may be due to Hardware problems on the system disk
    as we are getting hundreds of errors on it... Maintenance are working
    on it, I'll reinstall the lot when they are finished.
    
    Btw, when I tried to re-install the TSAM, it seems the installation
    procedure does a DAP LOAD and not an update, as I got an "entity
    already  exists" (or words to that effect).
    
    To get back to the original topic, what are the differences in terms of
    files accessed / checked between the FCL PM and the Iconic Map ?
    
    Thanks for your help,
    
    Philippe.
1359.3Same problem using only FDA and SNMPYOSMTE::SITZ_GLMon Aug 26 1991 14:2010
    I have another set of conditions that produces the same response from
    the Iconic map pm.  I have a basic DECmcc installation that was
    working.  I added FDA and SNMP T1.1.  I can now run only from the
    command line mode.  The errors I got during the installation indicated
    that there was something missing from the SNMP am.
    
    Regards,
    
    Glen R.
    
1359.4differences....TOOK::CALLANDERJill Callander DTN 226-5316Tue Aug 27 1991 17:3037
    differences...
    
    The fcl is based upon the parse tables almost completely, with
    the exception of the parsing of constuctor datatypes(sets, records
    and the such).
    
    The iconic map also uses the parse tables, but in a more limited
    manner, mainly to parse the inputed data values and some of the
    qualifiers. For the most part it goes out to the dictionary to
    determine what operations are supported on a class and what information
    belongs in a form.
    
    As to a presentation name missing, that is actually impossible unless
    someone fiddles with the dictionary (or aborts a dap load/update). The
    way things work the presentation name IS the same as the name (with the
    spaces removed) that you see when you do a show in dap. The MSL
    translator simply removes the spaces from the presentation name and
    uses it to build up the "dictionary" name for the entry.
    
    The only things that come to mind, are:
    	- you said that you augmented the dictionary with the historian
    stuff, did you make sure that you did you an old version of the
    augmentation procedures that might have still been hanging around.
    
    	- SNMP has a dictionary problem in there was, else where in the
    conference, a procedure to fix it (an invalid code was entered for the
    set directive causing all other set commands to fail).
    
    	- you said you cleaned up and did a reinstall (or that is what I
    thought I read), but you then said you got a dupliacte entry message on
    the TSAM load command; this means that you didnt' start with a fresh
    dictionary. I would suggest starting with the BMS dictionary again,
    because if you were having disk problems the current files could be
    corrupt.
    
    good luck
    
1359.5NSSG::R_SPENCENets don't fail me now...Tue Sep 03 1991 14:3413
    I also recently have seen a problem where I can do a directive with
    the FCL but not with IMPM.
    
    I opened a domain and then selected operation directory.
    After a long time... (during which both the Start and Stop buttons
    did not exist - as opposed to being greyed out)
    I got an MCC Unhandeled Service Reply -
    	No such entity: Domain CLAUDI_NS:nssg.lkg2-a Member *
    
    I have installed BMS and the new SNMP and ELM AMs. My understanding
    is that with the new SNMP AM I don't have to fix the dictionary.
    
    s/rob
1359.6VERNA::V_GILBERTWed Sep 04 1991 11:5110
Rob,

The reason the directory of toplevel domain does not work is that we had
been always sending the in_domain qualifier for every command.  

We have fixed that bug and now do not pass the in_domain qualifier for a top 
level domain, so soon that command will work in the Iconic Map.  

Sorry,
Verna