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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

411.0. "V1.1 IFT Install Problem" by MINDER::ADRIAN () Wed Oct 17 1990 08:36

    
    I'm attempting to install DECmcc BMS V1.1 IFT on a VMS 5.3 system
    and having a few problems. 
    
    To sum up what I have done so far :-
    
    - I started with a clean VMS V5.3-1 system.
    - I installed DNS server V1.1 (specifying a timezone of +1.00)
    - I installed BMS V1.0 (the pre SSB kit), specifying a TDF of +1.00.
      Before the installation commenced, I invoked MCC_DNS_BASIC_SETUP.COM
      to create the various DNS directories required. Since MCC was being
      installed on the DNS server node, the access to the DNS directories
      didn't need to be modified (mynode::SYSTEM seemed to have access to
      all directories). 
      The director IVP initially failed with an 'invalid time' message so
      I stopped the clearinghouse, reset the DNS timezone to 0.00, started
      the clearinghouse and tried again. The IVP then succeeded and everything 
      else went OK. I was able to run DECmcc (with the FCL interface) but 
      didn't do anything like registering phase IV entities etcetc or invoking
      DNS_BASIC_SETUP.COM since it's V1.1 I want and not V1.0.
    - I then installed V1.0 of the toolkit. This seemed to be OK.
    - I then installed BMS V1.1 IFT, MCCBMSX011 (the kit was obtained by following
      the instructions in note 3.25). I specified a TDF of +1.00. This 
      installation failed in exactly the same way as the failure described in 
      note 349.0, ie the MCC_STARTUP_DIR procedure returned the message
      REPOSNONAME (for ID's 4,5,6,7) and the MCC_STARTUP_BMS procedure
      returned similar errors along with MCC-E-INVALIDTIME. I realise that
      a tdf of 0.00 can cause these sorts of problems but as I have said, I
      am specifying +1.00.
    
    
    What am I doing wrong ?
    
    Do I have the right V1.1 IFT kit ? ( I notice that note 3.25 says the
    kit is MCC V1.0 Internal Field Test but the release notes call it
    an Internal Field Test UPDATE and say it only consists of .A,.B and .C
    savesets. Also, the release notes say DECmcc V1.0 BMS External Field
    Test Update software needs to be installed, I've actually installed
    the pre-SSB kit )
    
    Do I really need to install V1.0 before V1.1 IFT ? - some notes indicate
    this is necessary, others say that they have installed V1.1 IFT onto
    a clean system disk.
    
    Help greatly greatly appreciated.
    
    _adrian.
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411.1You could try this...TOOK::GUERTINI have an in_e, you have an out_eWed Oct 17 1990 12:2362
    All I can tell you right now is that you have a "time" problem with
    respect to MCC.  There is a bug in the Time routines where VMS converts
    the TDF to a delta time of all zeros, and then complains that it is
    an absolute time.  This is the only way I know of, of getting this
    behavior.  If you have a TDF of +1:00, then you should be okay.  You
    discovered another way to reproduce the same behavior.  However, there
    is still a 99% probability that the problem is time related.  Are
    running DTSS (DECdts) on your system?  Are you running on a cluster?
    VMS supports "private" time formatting.  Are you using the VMS DT
    formatting logicals?
    
    
    If push comes to shove, you can try the following steps:
    
    1) Do a 
       $ show logical SYS$LANGUAGES
       $ show logical LIB$*
       $ show logical/table=LNM$DT_FORMAT_TABLE
       $ show time
    
    2) The last command may display:

      LNM$DT_FORMAT_TABLE)

        "LIB$DATE_FORMAT_001" = "!DB-!MAAU-!Y4"
        "LIB$TIME_FORMAT_001" = "!H04:!M0:!S0.!C2"
    
       If any of the logicals are defined, or if the format table is
       different, then this may be the problem.  Try removing the
       logicals and/or defining the format table to the above.
    
       Just as a sanity check, the current time (date is also important)
       should be correct.
    
    3) Install the kit, answering NO to the question of, "Do you have the
       BMS2 license installed?".
    
    4) The kitinstal will just move the appropriate files to the correct
       places (you will probably get a couple of DCL warning messages about
       undefined symbols, which you can ignore).
    
    5) Enter
       $ @sys$startup:mcc_startup_dir.com
    
    6) If you get the errors, stop.  Wait a day (for the time to straighen
       out).  Try it again the next day.  It should work.  If it does not
       then something is happening which causes MCC to calculate the UTC
       time to be EARLIER than the timestamps in the files.
    
    7) Then enter:
       $ @sys$startup:mcc_startup_bms.com
    
    8) If you got errors for the first startup you should *not* get errors
       for this startup file.
    
    9) Finally, enter:
       $ @sys$startup:mcc_startup_bms2.com
    
    If nothing else seems to work, please contact me:
    (TOOK::GUERTIN, dtn:226-5974).
    
    -Matt.
411.2No luck I'm afraidMINDER::ADRIANWed Oct 17 1990 15:2819
    Thanks for the quick reply.
    
    Just to answer a your questions :-
    
     - DECdts is not running on the system
     - The system is not clustered
    
    I followed your instructions but the problem still persists (instead of
    waiting a day i reset the system time and rebooted). However, I notice
    that you mention BMS2 in a couple of places. Perhaps I haven't got the
    correct combination of kits because there's no MCC_STARTUP_BMS2.COM
    in the kit I've got. As I said in .0, the V1.0 kit I've got is the
    pre-SSB one (copied from KEEL::DUA1:[PUBLIC.USERKIT.V1_0.SSB]) and the
    V1.1 kit the one as held in KEEL::DUA1:[PUBLIC.USERKIT.V1_1.IFT].
    Incidently, I'm assuming I need to install V1.0 before installing
    V1.1 IFT, is this actually the case ?
    
    _adrian.
     
411.3You need only X1.1.0OSLACT::BJORNOnce againThu Oct 18 1990 06:356
411.4SuccessMINDER::ADRIANThu Oct 18 1990 09:4112
    I think I've finally fixed it. It doesn't seem to be necessary to
    install BMS V1.0 or the toolkit V1.0 as some notes suggest (and which
    the release notes included with V1.1 IFT indicate). However, installing 
    V1.1 only and specifying a tdf of +1.00 still seems to give the 
    REPOSNONAME error. I finally got it to install OK by using a clean system 
    disk, putting V1.1 on  and specifying a tdf of -4.00 (I think this is US
    EST).
    
    Phew... thanks for the help.
    
    _adrian.
    
411.5GOSTE::CALLANDERTue Oct 23 1990 14:2410
    
    Some confusion out there might be due to the fact that the ORIGINAL
    BMS kit did not include the toolkit components. We rebuilt and updated
    the kit area with a BMS that included the tools, making the 1.0
    requirement no longer necessary.
    
    Sorry this was so confusing but we were just as confused in house,
    it was the first kit readied without a toolkit.