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Title: Soccer Football Conference
Notice:Don't forget your season ticket.....
Moderator:MOVIES::PLAYFORD
Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:608
Total number of notes:85903

35.0. "Everton FC" by GALVIA::SPAIN (New personal name wanted) Thu Aug 08 1991 17:34

    
    This is the Everton topic.
    
    Gary.
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35.1RDGENG::SWIFFENThu Aug 08 1991 19:098
Well may as well beat the blues again to write in their conference.

Can someone tell me why Kendall is buying all the players he took to Man City
with him for Everton. They did nothing at City under him so what is he
playing at? Makes it easy for us to whack them in derby games playing a team
of Beardsley, Nev and the no-hopers!!

Chris.
35.21991/92 FIXTURE LISTYOUWOT::MOOREHEADM"You're going to Reading, ware the Fox hat."Fri Aug 09 1991 13:0568
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Hi everyone!  My name is Stuart Cunningham and I am up here at the CSC at
Warrington.  I am still at school and have worked here in my school holidays
for a year or so.
I have a had a season ticket for 6 years and am currently situated in the main
stand.  I've been watching the blues now for over 8 years.

Transfer news.....Once agian today is the day!!!! Yes today is the day when
Everton are hoping to announce the completion of the transfer of Dean Saunders. 
HK spent yesterday talking to Saunders about personal terms.  This talks are
expected to resume this morning.  Also Sharpie is still 'think over' his
transfer.  Still no news on where Mike Newell is going.

League Fixtures....I have managed to get hold of a copy of the league fixtures.
(I hope I have copied them correctly.!!!)  August looks one hell of a tough
month!

* Denoted a mid-week game

	August                                      February
                                     
17   Notts Forest   A                         1    Aston Villa    A
21  *Arsenal        H                         8    QPR            H
24   Man Utd        H                         15   Notts County   A
28  *Sheffield Wed  A                         22   Leeds Utd      H
31   Liverpool      A                         29   West Ham Utd   A

      September                                       March
4   *Norwich City   H                         7    Oldham Athl    H
7    Crystal Place  H                         11   Wimbledon      A
14   Sheffield Utd  A                         14   Luton Town     H
18  *Man City       A                         21   Norwich City   A
21   Coventry City  H                         28   Southampton    H
28   Chelsea        A
                                                      April
       October                                4    Crystal Place  A
5    Tottenham Hot  H                         11   Sheffield Utd  H
19   Aston Villa    H                         18   Coventry City  A
26   QPR            A                         20  *Man City       H
                                              25   Tottenham Hot  A
      November
2    Luton Town     A                                   May
16   Wimbledon      H                         2    Chelsea        H
23   Notts County   H
30   Leeds Utd      A

      December
7    West Ham Utd   H
14   Oldham Athl    A
21   Arsenal        A
26   Sheffield Wed  H
28   Liverpool      H

       January
1    Southampton    A
11   Man Utd        A
18   Notts Forest   H

    
    


35.3Remarkable !!!COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Fri Aug 09 1991 14:026
    
    Would you believe it ! I've beaten Mr Watterson to this note.
    Not surprising really since he is non-technical these days and
    is still trying to work out how to modify his conference pointer.
    
    :^)
35.4Help KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedFri Aug 09 1991 21:1917
    
    
    Re last
    
    Nothing to do with conference pointers 
    
    - why don't I get any unseen notes ?
    
    Re .1 
    
    We'll see at the end of August Chris !!!
    
    Kendall's bought Harper back so Beardsley won't be the ugliest man at
    the club... 
    
    Paul
        
35.5Tell me it's wrong pleeeseKERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedMon Aug 12 1991 19:458
    
    
    Can anyone confirm the date of the home game against the ARSE ?
    (the fixture list says WEDNESDAY - 21-AUG) 
    
    - Everton always play midweek home league games on TUESDAYS -
    
    Paul
35.6set def /weekday=TuesdayPANIC::ANDERSONWarnock's Wheelbarrow in the FirstMon Aug 12 1991 19:5818
    
    Paul,
    
    I believe the League's Fixtures Computer assumes all midweek games are
    Wednesday night.
    
    The Everton v Arsenal match will however be on Tuesday 20th, like the
    Notts County v Southampton game which is also in the initial fixtures
    as Wednesday 21st August.
    
    (According to the latest 1st Division fixture lists I have, that is.)
    
    Rob
    
    PS. You'll no doubt be pleased to hear that should you intend to visit
    Meadow Lane on February 15th, it will cost you the princely sum of
    five pounds to stand on a windswept open terrace corner - the most
    costly minimum admission charge in the league. =:-0
35.7Last improvements 1862 ?KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedMon Aug 12 1991 20:1317
    Cheers Rob,
    
>>    PS. You'll no doubt be pleased to hear that should you intend to visit
>>    Meadow Lane on February 15th, it will cost you the princely sum of
>>    five pounds to stand on a windswept open terrace corner - the most
>>    costly minimum admission charge in the league. =:-0

    Five pounds - what a bargain !! - it's not just a windswept open
    terrace, don't forget - 90% of the view obscured by the floodlight AND
    prehistoric toilets...
    
    Last time I was at Meadow lane (March 1985 FA Cup quarter final), they
    gave Everton all the side aswell.
    
    Paul
    
        
35.8GIFTED !PANIC::ANDERSONWarnock's Wheelbarrow in the FirstMon Aug 12 1991 20:2111
>>       <<< Note 35.7 by KERNEL::WATTERSON "I wasn't pushed - I jumped" >>>
>>                       -< Last improvements 1862 ? >-
    
>>    Last time I was at Meadow lane (March 1985 FA Cup quarter final), they
>>    gave Everton all the side aswell.
    
    
    That wasn't the only thing we gave you that day - Brian Kilcline stood
    in admiration of Andy Gray heading in from 6 inches off the ground :-(
    
    Rob 
35.9KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedMon Aug 12 1991 20:2911
35.10RDGENG::SWIFFENMon Aug 12 1991 20:325
County's away end is not as bad as Forest's. You obviously have to be in the pen
away from the floodlights. Memories of a sunny afternoon winning the Championship
for Joe Fagan after a 0-0 draw come flooding back!!

Chris.
35.11"Super Notts" Resounding Around GoodisonPANIC::ANDERSONWarnock's Wheelbarrow in the FirstMon Aug 12 1991 20:4317
>>       <<< Note 35.9 by KERNEL::WATTERSON "I wasn't pushed - I jumped" >>>

>>      Kilcline... what a class player :-)
    
    Lucky Oldham in picking him up at such a good price :-) they might live
    to regret it and finish below us.
    
>>    Will Notts be bringing the usual 25 supporters to the game at
>>    Goodison ?
    
    You mean like in the League Cup 4th Round 1976, when the Goodison
    D.J./Announcer asked the visiting fans to keep the noise down as there
    had been complaints from residents in nearby streets. (And no, it
    wasn't sarcasm !)
    
    Rob (who will be one of the 25)
    
35.12YUPPY::PANESDenmark Hill Street BluesMon Aug 12 1991 20:4517
       <<< Note 35.9 by KERNEL::WATTERSON "I wasn't pushed - I jumped" >>>

    
    
>    Will Notts be bringing the usual 25 supporters to the game at
>    Goodison ?
    
    Paul,

    You appear to be getting a hang-up about how many supporters other
    teams take to Orange Free State er sorry I mean Goodison. I would be
    careful, because from what I have seen of Everton's away support, you
    might have to start slagging yourself off.


    Stuart

35.13KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedMon Aug 12 1991 21:0018
    Rob,

>>    You mean like in the League Cup 4th Round 1976, when the Goodison
>>    D.J./Announcer asked the visiting fans to keep the noise down as there
>>    had been complaints from residents in nearby streets. (And no, it
>>    wasn't sarcasm !)

    Are you sure it wasn't sarcasm ? - Billy Butler was infamous for his
    classic announcements...

        
    Stuart,

    'Orange Free state' - you're not implying that Everton are racist are
    you ?

    
    Paul
35.14YUPPY::PANESDenmark Hill Street BluesMon Aug 12 1991 21:0415
      <<< Note 35.13 by KERNEL::WATTERSON "I wasn't pushed - I jumped" >>>

>    Stuart,

>    'Orange Free state' - you're not implying that Everton are racist are
>    you ?

    
    Paul,

    Now would I suggest a thing like that???


    Stuart

35.15KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedMon Aug 12 1991 21:169
    
 >>>   Now would I suggest a thing like that???

    Well that's alright then... :-)
    
    Anyway, Everton had a black player in about 1975 - Cliff Marshall, I
    actually saw him play one game.. so there !
    
    Paul
35.16No Black Marks for EvertonPANIC::ANDERSONWarnock's Wheelbarrow in the FirstMon Aug 12 1991 21:1613
>>      <<< Note 35.13 by KERNEL::WATTERSON "I wasn't pushed - I jumped" >>>

>>    Are you sure it wasn't sarcasm ? - Billy Butler was infamous for his
>>    classic announcements...
    
    It might have been SURPRISE that a 'puny little club who can't attract
    gates of more than 30,000' could have travelling supporters
    out-shouting the Goodison faithful, but sarcasm...could a scouser be
    that subtle ?
    
    Rob
    
    But there again, maybe it was, they say it is the lowest form of wit.
35.17KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedMon Aug 12 1991 21:279
    Subtle - that's my middle name....
    
    I didn't think Notts got really low crowds until they knocked down
    their own supporters end - those games in 1975 both had quite good
    attendances - wasn't it about 25,000 at Goodison and 35,000 at Meadow
    lane - I can't recall the score for some reason... :-)
    
    Paul  
35.18RDGENG::SWIFFENTue Aug 13 1991 14:4410
Paul,

 Everton supporters racist, No way never. It is purely coincidence that fruit 
and veg market sales soar on Merseyside in derby week. My advice to pundits out
there looking to make a quick buck, is invest in Fyffes shares now, Walters and
Barnes are on the block on the 31st August!!!!

Keep smiling lads.

Chris.
35.19two middle names??KERNEL::MORIARTYTue Aug 13 1991 14:536
    Re .16
    
    > subtle is my middle name
    
    
    	I thought your middle name was fatso???:-)))
35.20KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedTue Aug 13 1991 15:129
    
    Mr Moriarty....
    
    haven't you been banned from this notes conference yet ? :-)
    
    Slim
    
    PS - Yours was about the last note in BALZAC - so it's probably YOUR
    fault that we had to suffer a week without notes....
35.21Fat boy goes to Lazio:-)KERNEL::MORIARTYWed Aug 14 1991 14:1610
    Mr Watterson,
    
    	Your quite right,Balzac died after I put in a rather stupid note.
    It couldn't quite take the strain:-0
    
    	I of course promise never to do such a thing again as I too missed 
    this conference..:-))
    
    	Rumour has it that Lazio put in an offer for you as the other fat 
    boy available in the transfer market..Can you confirm this?? :-))))
35.22No he never eats enough Mars Bars (< 5 per day)COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Wed Aug 14 1991 15:134
    
    No Lazio wouldn't buy Paul, he doesn't cry when he loses (he
    sulks). He is good for losing footballs in sports halls though
    (ask Paul for details).
35.23let me into the residents' loungeESSB::BREEThu Aug 15 1991 15:226
    I heard Peter Beagrie (sp??) did an Evel Kneivel in some hotel lately
    and will be facing some disciplinary action.
    
    What's the night porter's version?
    
    Paul
35.24KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedThu Aug 15 1991 17:2010
    
    Re last
    
    Beagrie won't be missed any.
    
    
    Everton drew 0-0 in Real Sociadad on Tuesday night - then lost on
    penalties.
                                                
    Paul
35.25KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedFri Aug 16 1991 15:1719
35.26Give us the doshUNTADI::NFLETCHERBeardo , Wardo and WazzoThu Sep 12 1991 11:183
    Nevin to go to Celtic (as reported in Vogon News)
    
    Nigel
35.27Nevin & McStay ?KERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StFri Sep 13 1991 13:427
    
    Has anyone heard if Nevin's gone to Celtic or not ? - I wonder if
    Kendall's trying to negociate some kind of swap involving Nevin and
    McStay. I believe McStay's injured at the moment - does anyone know how
    serious the injury is ?
    
    Paul
35.28AYOV10::MDONNELLYLeaning against the spinFri Sep 13 1991 20:3513
    
    
    Serious enough.  They reckon he'll be out for another six weeks.
    
    I'd be astounded if he was involved in any swap/cash deal with Nevin
    though.
    
    Now they have this guy called Martin Hayes...just the kind of player
    who could do a real job for the blues....probably going quite cheap to.
    
    
    Michael
    
35.29sh*tKERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StFri Sep 13 1991 20:399
    
    Martin Hayes.......
    
    forget it....
    
    I remember him at Arsenal.... hopefully so does Kendall, now if Harvey
    was still the manager....  who knows ?
    
    Paul
35.30:-) :-) :-) :-)LARVAE::HUTCHINGS_PManchester CityFri Sep 13 1991 20:591
    who cares...
35.31THREE POINTS ON SAT ?????????SIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 13 1991 21:3521
    
    Well with the last three weeks scrubbed on this notes file ,i wonder 
    would the f.a. agree to start the league again ????
    We are proably ready ? With a lot of the "hard" fixtures over we can
    start getting three points a game now !!!!!
    
    Sheffield utd tomorrow away ,I,m sure we will get the win here(my
    toes are crossed).
    
    On a brighter note ,I went to the Everton Supporters Club (dublin 
    branch) first meeting in two years last monday night.There was only
    16 at it but it was badly advertised and we expect maybe 30 at the 
    next one on the 30 th sept in the plough in abbey st (if any one is
    interested).
    
    
    
    More on monday
    
    
    Liam
35.32No danger stranger PAKORA::JJACKLa Shammy-KebabSat Sep 14 1991 03:5216
35.33No danger stranger PAKORA::JJACKLa Shammy-KebabSat Sep 14 1991 03:5316
35.34KERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StSat Sep 14 1991 14:1910
    
    
    re last two
                                                                 ^ ^
    I'm sure I'm seeing double - what was I drinking last night  * *
                                                                  +
                                                                 \_/
                                                                 
    
    Paul 
35.35ANOTHER AWAY LOSE !!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 16 1991 13:0531
    
    Paul
    
    It would appear you weren,t the only one out drinking ,the whole 
    Everton team must have been too .......
    Losing games against Sheff utd doesn,t do for a team of Everton,s
    caliber.WHAT,S GOING ON ???????????????
    
    I was listening to the second half commentary on radio merseyside
    and ,to be truthful we didn,t deserve to win this game.
    Apparently when utd went two -one up (Everton were winning one nil
    at one stage) Beardsley rounded the keeper and shot wide.
    
    Our defense is Rotten !!!!!!! Is Southall still acting the PR&&&
    or is it the defence ?? I hear and read that Keown and Watson are
    playing very well so it must be the full-backs.Hinchcliff and
    Atteveld ???????
    
    No points from any of the four away matchs ,hardly championship 
    stuff.To be honest I didn,t think during the close season that
    Everton would be challenging ,this year ,for the league but I
    started believing the media when the said we were contenders.
    Not this year anyway.
    
    As usual our home record isint bad ,we havent been beaten yet,but
    by the looks of it ,it wont be long -)-)
    
    Cheers 
    
    Liam
    p.s. Sorry to be so pessimistic ,but it isint looking good.
35.36CURRNT::PAGEDWhat was it? Damn,I forgot to get a jobMon Sep 16 1991 13:423
    Sorry to rub it in lads but ...
    
    Hahahaha... Come on U-Blades. Are you reading Mr Fletcher !
35.37KENDALL RETURNS TO MAIN RD TONIGHT ...SIOG::DAWSONTue Sep 17 1991 15:2830
    
    RE-1  I suppose your entitled to that ,after we gifted you with the
    three points.
    According to Howard Kendall it was the "worst display since he
    came back to Everton".
    
    Man City tonight at Main Rd ,and i cant see us doing much damage
    here.I read this morning that HK is bringing Pat (the dancer) nevin
    and Peter (evil knievel)Beagrie back into the squad,I dont think
    that they are the answer to our problems ???
    
    I also heard that HK is still rumoured to be chasing Andy Townsend.
    Now there,s a prospect !!!!!!!!!!!!! The fee is rumoured to be about
    3m.to wedge him from Chelsea. My advise to HK is PAY IT. 
    I still think our problems are in defence and we could do worse than
    make a bid for Wimbledon,s unsettled Terry Phelan.
    It,s just a coincidence  that these two play for ireland.I must admit
    that i hadn,t heard much of Phelan up until a few weeks ,But his debut
    in a green shirt was excellant ,he even got praise from Charlton ,who 
    doesnt lavish praise often.
    
    I toyed with the idea of going to the Coventry match next sat but 
    fearing the worst ,I,ll wait until october.
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    P.S. Paul/Nigel  Tell me what games you will be at in october and 
    i will try and meet you for a pint or six.
35.38Clean sheet tonight - PleaseUNTADI::NFLETCHERBeardo , Wardo and WazzoTue Sep 17 1991 16:4713
    Liam
    
    	I dont return from Munich until the 18th of October , ill try and
    get up to a game shortly after that. Luton away is at the beginning of
    November , i'll definately be going to that as its my local team. BTW
    ive never been there as the away support ban has been on since ive been
    living in the area. I would have been going to the Watford match but im
    still in Munich.
    
    I cant see use getting much tonight , perhaps it might inspire the
    Ex-man city players.
    
    Nigel
35.39So this is what an away win feels like.YOUWOT::MOOREHEADMReading, ware the Fox hat.!Wed Sep 18 1991 13:187

Good grief, a clean sheet AND an away win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

City 0 Everton 1

Martin M.
35.40Back on the road againUNTADI::NFLETCHERBeardo , Wardo and WazzoWed Sep 18 1991 13:286
    Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
    
    Who scored??
    
    
    Amazed of Munich
35.41PHEW !!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 18 1991 13:3132
    
    I Listened to this match on radio merseyside and i dont think i 
    want to go through that again ,NO THANKS ....
    
    The first half was dull with the exception of the last five minutes.
    Alan Hanson and Alan Green were commentating.There was about sixty
    off-side decisions shared by both teams.(even the ref started to ignore 
    them after a while).
    In the second half ,City started getting the upper hand but Everton 
    on the break had a Beardsley header cleared off the line.Some say it
    was over the line but some you win some you lose in those situations.
    (I can say that now after we eventually won).City still had the better
    moments although not much goal-mouth action.Wazza was replaced by zico
    MCDonald and apparently Everton started to get into the game.
    A mistake by Curle let Beardsley in to blast one into the roof of the
    net and it was one nil.The last five minutes i cant rememeber or rather
    dont want too ,suffice to say city hit every part of the woodwork but
    there was a spell on the goal.Even when city got a penalty in two
    minutes of extra time (extra time being just after one or two
    stoppages) they handed the novice Hughes the task ,and he promptly
    blasted it over the bar.Southall,s HooDoo worked and Everton stole
    the three points.
    
    Southall  BRILL
    Atteveld  DODGY
    Watson    ADEQUATE sp..
    Keown     BRILL (gets better every game)
    Ebbrell   GOOD
    Sheedy    GOOD
    Ward      AVERAGE (captain for the night)
    Beardsly  VERY GOOD
    Wazza     AVERAGE (replaced by zico)
35.42RE -1 CONTINUED,,,,,,,,SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 18 1991 13:5220
    
    RE-1
    
    I Nearly got logged out .
    
    contd..
    Hincliff  Average
    Newell    busy
    MCDonald  v good ( replaced wazza)
    
    I hope we didn,t use up all our luck for the season on this one.
    THE COV on saturday ,and i,m feeling optimistic ..........
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
35.43noting when we're winning, we're only...STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Sep 18 1991 16:102
    
    HORRAH!
35.44HAVENT LOST AT HOME YET !!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 20 1991 21:3215
    
    Coventry at home tommorrow ?? Last week i would have settled for a draw
    but after Wednesdays result and with our luck running the way it is
    
    I,M GOING FOR THE THREE POINTS .....
    
    Everton to win   3-0
    
    
    
    see ye monday
    
    
    Liam
    
35.45HOW ABOUT A MATCH REPORT ???????SIOG::DAWSONSat Sep 21 1991 16:108
    
    Anyone going to this ????????
    Match report would be appreciated.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.46Beardsley 3 Coventry 0SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 23 1991 17:0622
    
    Am I talking to myself ????????
    
    I rang one of my relations ,season ticket holder at the Cov,for a match
    report.He travelled to Goodison to watch the match and said that there
    was little to excite about this encounter with the exception of Quasi.
    
    Apparantly Everton were lack-lustre and only for a stunning display
    from Beardsley that separated the sides.Coventry hit the post before 
    Everton scored a scrappy goal ,then Everton made it two with a
    brilliant goal ,again from beardsley and he completed his hatrick with
    a penalty.
    
    Still unbeaten at home,Beardsley scores 6 in the last 4 games and
    3 points in the bag.Now for UTD.
    
    
    
    cheers 
    
    Liam
    
35.47RUMBELOWS TONIGHT....SIOG::DAWSONTue Sep 24 1991 13:0515
    
    RE-4
    I got a prediction right ,i must be physic ........
    
    Watford at home tonight in the Rumbe,,, cup.
    
    We should win this comfortably but will proably struggle to 
    a 1-0 victory.
    
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.48A VISIT TO TOFFEELAND ..........SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 25 1991 13:0519
    
    I am getting worried ,two predictions right in a week.
    I havent heard anything about the game and only got the result
    on the news.
    Is Paul on holidays ?????????
    I,m at the moment making arrangements to travel to Goodison
    next week for the spurs match and may go upto manchester for
    the mancs v liverpool on the sunday .If anyone is going to these 
    games I will gladly meet them for a pint or six.
    I know that tickets for the sunday game will be fairly hard to get,
    Any suggestions ??????????????
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s.I am going with a liverpool fan ,so the sunday game is one of
    the conditions that he will come.
35.493 wins on the trotUNTADI::NFLETCHERBeardo , Wardo and WazzoWed Sep 25 1991 13:169
    Liam
    
    I take it that the score was 1-0 then!!
    
    Who scored?
    
    Yes Paul is on holiday in the states.
    
    Nigel
35.5050-50ESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyWed Sep 25 1991 14:126
35.511-0CHEFS::YEOMANSDCandubs against KinnockWed Sep 25 1991 16:349
    Beardsley scored after his initial shot rebounded of David James.
    
    It was the worst match I've seen all season (and that's coming from
    someone who's seen all Watford's home games!) Watford didn't help by
    playing with only one up front, but are Everton normally that bad?
    
    Also, was the gate of 8,500ish a record low?
    
    Dave.
35.52QUASI NETS AGAIN.....SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 25 1991 16:4825
    
    Thanks dave
    
    The Everton faithful !!! are renounded for their fickleness for
    attendances.Last year only about 20,000 went to Wembley for 
    the zds final .And usually mid-week cup games are poorly
    attended.
    Some cant believe that i travel from dublin to support them.
    
    Beardsly scored again ,that makes it seven out of the last 
    five matchs .He isint wasting any time paying back the bargain
    price of 1.m.
    
    Still no news on the tickets for sundays match.
    Would it be worth trying outside the ground ????????
    I know that united usually get 40,000+ at their home games
    and with it being liverpool as the oppisition ,i,m proably
    looking for a miracle.
    
    Still the important one is in GOODISON ....
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.53Can't be as bad as thatYUPPY::TAYLORMWed Sep 25 1991 16:5121
    Dave,
    
    Was it really worse than our home games? (Charlton,Southend not
    included, only because we won). It seemed, listening to Mike Vince 
    on local radio,that for the last 15 mins of the first half we 
    should have scored as Luther had a couple of half chances, but Southall
    did well.  
 
    He also said that as Everton continued to press we looked quite
    capable of scoring on the break. Is that true, even when Butler came on 
    for Luther? David James apparently made a great save later in the 2nd
    half to deny Everton.
    
    With WFC's home record over the last few of seasons, Everton
    probably only need to turn up in the second leg. Still, it should
    make the game more interesting as long as we don't let in an early
    goal!
    
    Martin
    
    
35.54I mean 'pretty'SIOG::N_DONNELLYWed Sep 25 1991 16:535
    Liam,
    I can't believe it that you go over to see Everton either.Are you sure
    it's not a titty woman that you're going to see?
    
    Noel
35.55CHEFS::YEOMANSDCandubs against KinnockWed Sep 25 1991 17:3114
    Martin,
    
    Yup, even as bad as the Wolves match. Watford did look capable of
    scoring on the break, unfortunately, we didn't have any breaks for most
    of the second half.
    
    I haven't seen seen Watford with such a defensive line up, since the
    days of Mike Keen. Still, at least it's given us a small chance in the
    second leg.
    
    Dave.
    
    ps. Maybe we should have our own topic, now there are two of us in
    here.
35.56HERE WE GO ,HERE WE GO ,HERE WE GO .......SIOG::DAWSONThu Sep 26 1991 21:3925
    
    I Have booked my flight for next weekend,but its to manchester.
    
    
    I,ll be arriving in manchester on friday night,Can anyone
    out there give me the following info ????????
    
    1) decent cheapish hotels in manchester
    
    2) train fares and times to liverpool
    
    3) decent hostelries i.e. pubs
    
    4) the latest chat-up lines for manchester women 
    
    5) anywhere i,d be likely to get tickets for sundays game.
    I have my tickets for Goodison on saturday.
    
    
    Any info would be appreciated ....
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.57GGGSIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 27 1991 22:391
    
35.58BLUES TAKE ON THE BLUES ...SIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 27 1991 22:4315
    
    Chelsea tomorrow ,,,
    
    
    It,s a tough one but i,ll stick my neck out and go for three
    in a row 1-0 to Everton with Beardsley scoring his eighth
    goal in 6 match,s.
    
    I have just read that Evil Beagrie is gone on loan to sunderland.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.59Draw ,A just result .....SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 30 1991 11:2117
    
    Satisfied with the point ,apparently a game of two halves 8-)8-)
    
    I saw the goals on the granada match .A bit of luck for both teams
    and a draw was proably a just result.Beardsley scores again to 
    make another installment on his bargain 1.m fee.Eight out of six
    games and only Ebbrell (man of the match on sat according to the
    "SUN") goal breaks the run of Beardsley scoring everton,s last 
    eight.
    
    Oldham tomorrow night in that stupid zds .
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.60GARY STEVENS !!! WHY ???????SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 30 1991 14:1618
    
    Rumour has it that Kendall is chasing Gary Stevens ??????/
    
    I remember the sense of relief when he left,I know we need a
    few defenders but do we really need him ???
    
    Also Eddie Youlds and Stuart Barlow were in the squad on sat
    so it,s only a matter of time before they play.
    I would like to see Barlow partner Beardsley and see how they get on.
    
    
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.61EVERTON RESERVES V EVERTON ....SIOG::DAWSONTue Oct 01 1991 19:4915
    
    Oldham tonight ....
    
    With mcdonald making his debut for Oldham ..
    
    
    this makes it five ex everton players playing for oldham
    likely to start tonight.
    
    Should be a bit confusing on the radio.
    
    
    
    Liam
    
35.62Deano and Rushie... Simply the best!!YUPPY::SEABURYSThu Oct 03 1991 14:049
    re .59
    
    It must be a real shame for all you toffees out there, seeing Beardo
    get all his goals for the season in the first couple of months...
    
    What's he going to do for the rest of the season?? 8-)
    
    Stew.
    
35.63THE BLUES 3 oldham 2 ....SIOG::DAWSONThu Oct 03 1991 18:4121
    
    RE-1
    
    OH YEE OF LITTLE FAITH ...
    
    I ,m om my way tomorrow night to manchester and would gladly meet
    any Totts fan,s travelling to goodison on saturday or anyone going
    to the mancs v liverpool for a pint or six on sunday.
    
    I booked into the Gardens in manchester and i,m told that it,s in the
    hub of manchester.
    
    What about the other night ?? 3-2 against Oldham , not bad considering
    milligan scored against his old club (pity he couldn,t do the business
    for Everton).
    
    
    cheers
    
    liam
    
35.64A Visit With GOD ...........SIOG::DAWSONThu Oct 03 1991 18:5626
    
    I have just returned from a luncheon for a new courier company launch
    where Jack Charlton was guest speaker.
    I must say  he really is accessable and a pleasure to talk to.
    
    He told a funny story ,probably an old won by noters standards ,
    but got a great reception at the launch.
    
    Three soccer managers were killed in a car crash , Tommy Docherty
    Laurie mc Minamee and John Bond .
    On approaching the pearly gates ,st peter stopped them ,looked them 
    up and down and sent "the doc "  to a room with an old toothless hag
    and stinking furniture and said " for your sins on earth you will spend
    your eternity in this room ". Likewise with Mc minamee ..
    When it came to John Bond ,st peter led him to a beautiful four poster
    bedroom with Bo Derek ,Bondy was delighted until St peter said...
    
    Bo Derek for your sins on earth ..............
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
35.65SUPER QUASI ..........SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 04 1991 19:1117
    
    Spurs tomorrow ...
    
    
    Three -two to the toffee,s  with Beardsley getting the three .
    
    AND I,LL BE THERE...
    
    Match report (biased of course) on monday.
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    liam
    
    
35.66KERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StMon Oct 07 1991 12:1240
    
    Three weeks away from home and what a change...
    
    I got to Maine Road for the 1-0 win over City - it was the longest last
    minute I've ever had to live through - they hit the post, hit tha bar
    and missed a penalty... no sweat.
    
    
    Saturday's game.
    
    Everton   3-1   Tottenham   Att 29,505
    Cottee 3        Lineker
    
    I tried out the new seats in the St End this time and what a hideous
    ordeal - the seats are unreserved so you have to get in early to get a
    good view - I had to miss a valuable hour's drinking. AND, everytime
    the ball got close to goal everyone stood up - I should have had a
    spring fitted to my arse...
    
    But off to the game, Everton played some brilliant football in the
    first half. Cottee hit the underside of the bar in the second minute
    and Everton missed three other reasonable chances all in the first 10
    minutes. Cottee scored his first in the 13th minute after Beardsley
    broke through, drew the keeper and squared the ball for Cottee to
    hammer it into the empty net. Tottenham equalised immediatly with their
    second attack of the game - a cross into the box looked harmless until
    Lineker dived to score a good equaliser. Everton didn't let the goal
    bother them and continued to press and took the lead again after Watson
    was fouled in the box by the clumsy Paul Stewart. Cottee scored from
    the spot. Cottee completed the scoring after Bobby the Pole broke
    through and set up Cottee for another easy goal. 
    
    The mini forward line of Cottee, Beardsley, Ward and Waryzcha were
    superb (for the first half anyway) - they scored three, but could quite
    easily have doubled that - a very encouraging performance, you could
    see the confidence building after a few good results - lets hope it
    continues....
    
    Paul
                
35.67waffle waffleKERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StMon Oct 07 1991 17:0815
        
    
    More news from Goodison....
    
    Graeme Sharp's testimonial is to be played at Goodison on Sunday 15th
    December - Everton vs Celtic, this is the day after Sharp plays for
    Oldham against Everton at Boundary Park....
    
    Kendall is rumoured to be on the verge of a BIG signing - Hagi has been
    mentioned again, but I also heard the Gary Stevens rumour.....
    
    Peter Beardsley is back in the England squad, the first Everton player
    for about two years.
    
    Paul
35.68I have Been to MECCA again,,,,,,,,SIOG::DAWSONTue Oct 08 1991 17:3318
    
    My match report would have been the same as -2 except to mention
    that Everton fell asleep in the second half,especially bobby the pole.
    
    Main features were Keown was brill,Beardsley was excellant as was
    Ebbrell.Sheedy very good in patchs only to do some stupid things
    as well.
    
    Paul ,I was above you at the very highest seat in the Glwadys st
    stand.( We proably bumped into each other).
    
    I also got to old Trafford but will talk about that later.
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.69Watford anyone?YOUWOT::MOOREHEADMReading, ware the Fox hat.!Tue Oct 08 1991 17:387

Great to see the blues doing (and playing) well again. Anyone going to Watford 
tonight? I know it's only the thingy cup but Blues Vs Watford games are usually 
very entertaining eg. 4:4 4:5 not to mention 2:0 at Wembley for the FA Cup.

Martin M
35.70a few beers ?KERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StTue Oct 08 1991 18:2414
35.718 minutes from extra timeKERNEL::WATTERSONPaul Watterson VMSNRWed Oct 09 1991 11:119
    
    Watford  1-2   Everton   att 11,000ish
    Some kid 71    Newell 82,
                   Beardsley 83
    
    Everton win 3-1 on aggregate.
    
    Paul
    
35.72Maybe A BoxPANIC::ANDERSONThe Pies have arrivedWed Oct 09 1991 14:247
    Paul,
    
    Yes, I shall be there, with my father-in-law who is a Blue. Not sure
    where I'll be sitting yet, but am apparently getting tickets via the
    brother-in-law from NEC. 
    
    Rob
35.73Are you buying the beer ?KERNEL::WATTERSONThe Pies have gone staleWed Oct 09 1991 15:467
    
    Robbo,
    
    will all the Notts County supporters be sharing a box - I believe
    there's enough room for about 10 of you.......  :-)
    
    Paulo
35.74Beer ? What's That ??PANIC::ANDERSONThe Pies have arrivedWed Oct 09 1991 16:575
    Paulo,
    
    Is it possible to book half a box then ? ;-)
    
    Ando
35.75And I do mean in the 1st team !MASALA::JJACKShift_D_Mad_Axe_Men_On_Tour_1991Wed Oct 09 1991 19:004
    
    Is Nevin getting a game at the moment ?
    
    
35.76NevinKERNEL::WATTERSONThe Pies have gone staleWed Oct 09 1991 19:277
    
    Re .75
    
    There was no sign of him on Saturday, but I think he came on as sub
    last night and made the first goal.
    
    Paul
35.77Radio Days Are back again....SIOG::DAWSONWed Oct 09 1991 20:0516
    
    Everton played around with Watford last night and just when they
    tought they were in with a chance ,the Blues stepped up a gear
    and potted two in as many minutes to finish them off.
    PHew....
    ....And the radio said some dramatic news from vicarage rd 
    watford have equailised on aggregate...
    
    
    ..... but Beardsley has equailised on the night or was it Newell ???
    I cant believe it !!! they both have scored....
    
    (well it went something like that anyway ).
    
    
    Liam
35.78PETER BONETTI SIGNS FOR THE BLUES,..SIOG::DAWSONWed Oct 09 1991 20:1221
    
    Aston Villa at home on saturday ..We owe them a good hiding.
    But i would be quite happy with a two - nil win.
    
    Latest news on comings and goings:
    
    Zico Mc Donald is gone to Oldham (this leaves us very thin for 
    midfielders and defenders)
    The Great Peter Bonetti has signed as keeper coach (I kid you not)
    
    I pray that the rumour about Gary Stevens is only that ,Surely not
    Howard ,DONT DO IT HOWARD !!!!!!
    
    Young Stuart Barlow is getting into the squad these days ,Its only
    a matter of time now.
    
    Is Atteveld Gone or Wot ??????
    
    
    
    Liam
35.79were you asleep Liam ?KERNEL::WATTERSONThe Pies have gone staleWed Oct 09 1991 20:296
    
    >>>>Is Atteveld Gone or Wot ??????
    
    He played on Saturday..........
    
    Paul
35.80too much to drinkSIOG::N_DONNELLYThu Oct 10 1991 10:575
    And you were at the game Liam????
    
    
    
    Noel
35.81Is Liam a secret Man Utd supporter ?KERNEL::WATTERSONVENI VIDI VISAThu Oct 10 1991 11:525
    
    
    Wolves at Goodison in the next round of the League cup.
    
    Paul
35.82YOU WOT MATE ,I,LL HAVE YOU .....SIOG::DAWSONThu Oct 10 1991 19:1717
    
    RE -1 
    That is the highest insult you could possibly utter ....
    
    Wot I meant to say about Atteveld was ,was he going ????
    I do recall him replacing Sheedy on saturday now that you mention 
    it.Was Ward injured ? I would have thought that bobby the pole 
    should have been substituted in the second half.
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
    (My wife ,father-in-law and brother-in-law are all United supporters
    a breed apart !!!!!!)
35.83KERNEL::WATTERSONVENI VIDI VISAThu Oct 10 1991 19:3911
    
    ohhh yerrrrrr.......my dad's bigger than your dad....
    
    Ward looked like he pulled his hamstring and could be out for a while -
    shame, he's fitted in really well so far.
    
    I didn't think Bobby was any worse than anyone else, Kendall could have
    taken any of them off - I've never seen a team play so well in the
    first half and then just stop playing in the second.
    
    paul
35.84Ebbrell - superstarKERNEL::WATTERSONVENI VIDI VISAWed Oct 16 1991 12:257
    
    
    John Ebbrell played a blinder for the England U21s last night - if he
    carrys on playing like that for both Everton and England he can't be
    far off getting into the full England squad.
    
    Paul
35.85Does he Play midfield for Everton...??DUCK::WILSOND1Wed Oct 16 1991 14:496
    Paul....
      Couldnt agree more...Ebbrell was the best player on the pitch.
     I would prefer to see him in the full England side instead of
    Batty.Shearer must be close to a First cap aswell.
    
    Dave...
35.86KERNEL::WATTERSONVENI VIDI VISAWed Oct 16 1991 15:067
    
    Dave,
    
    yeh - he's been playing centre midfield for most of this season, he
    started badly, but he's been outstanding recently.
    
    Paul
35.87Curious of MunichUNTADI::NFLETCHERBeardo , Wardo and WazzoWed Oct 16 1991 15:123
    What was the score in the England under 21 last night
    
    Nigeo
35.88WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Oct 16 1991 15:463
    England 2:0 Turkey U21
    
    Shearer 76, 79 mins.
35.89Kendall signs JacksonKERNEL::WATTERSONFri Oct 18 1991 11:045
35.90CRISPY::NAGLEJFri Oct 18 1991 11:5615
    
    700,000 now plus another 300,000 if he gains a regular first
    team place. Even more money to follow after that if he plays
    for England.
    
    Apart from that don't know much about him except that he hasn't
    played a great deal for the first team. He's a youngster as well,
    20 years old.
    
    Apparently he has potential. Daglish'a assistance at Blacburn, Ray
    Harford, phoned Luton with an offer just as Jackson was driving
    up to sign for Everton. It was Harford that signed Jackson for
    Luton in the first place.
    
    JN.
35.91BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFri Oct 18 1991 12:1422
    
    Cheers,
    
    sounds like a lot of money - I hope he's worth it.
    Typical Kenny the Dog move, wait until he's virtually signed for
    Everton and then try and sign him - ala Speedie.
    
    Injury news:
    
    Keown should be fit for tomorrow's game against his previous club, this
    means that Kendall has virtually a full squad to choose from. The only
    injuries now are Mark Ward - Hamstring and Ian Snodin - you name it,
    he's had it. Snodin continues to make 'slow, but steady progress'. No
    idea about if and when he'll be fully fit again.
    
    Internationals:
    
    Keown was called up for the England squad, but was unfortunatly
    injured - it shouldn't be long before he gets called up again.
    Beardsley spent 90 frustrating minutes on the bench for England.
    
    Paul
35.92BLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Oct 21 1991 12:1338
    Everton   0-2   Aston Villa   Att 27,500ish
                    Regis, Daley
    
    Southall
    Jackson 
    Ratcliffe (Newell 45 mins)
    Ebbrell
    Watson
    Keown
    Warzycha
    Beardlsey
    Cottee
    Harper
    Sheedy (Atteveld 75 mins)
    
    What an unbelievable cr*p performance - only Southall managed to keep
    the score down to 2, I can't remember the last time Everton were that
    bad in a home game.
    
    Everton started badly as Villa dominated the first 10 minutes, but
    things seemed to be picking up as Beardsley and Waryzcha started to
    make gaps in the Villa defence. But then Regis scored against the run
    of play - and Everton just fell apart. Daley scored the second goal
    with a screamer mid-way through the second half.
    
    On the plus side, Matty Jacko had a good solid debut - he looks skilful
    and confident on the ball - a bit unusual for an Everton defender !! On
    the negative side, Ebbrell was eclipsed by Kevin Richardson and with
    him out of the way, Everton's attackers were totally out of it.
    Beardsley and Cottee both had a quiet game. Sheedy and Ratcliffe had
    stinkers - they must be on their way soon.
    
    Transfer news - the rumours about Hagi still persist, the latest is
    that Kendall is desperate to get him from Real Madrid, at least until
    the end of the season, whether it's on loan, or he has to break the
    bank to buy him.
    
    Paul
35.93GOODBYE TO PAT THE DANCER ....SIOG::DAWSONThu Oct 24 1991 19:1128
    
    "Exciting things happening for the future at Goodison Park,but
    I dont think i,ll be in the reckoning "
    
    Quote from Pat Nevin and his transfer request was granted.
    Sad to see him go ,he was a fans favorite.
    
    Apparently Celtic are no longer interested because they say
    they dont need this kind of player now.(I would beg to differ)
    
    Sounds like a dreadful game last saturday ,Villa are fast becoming
    a bogie team for us.
    
    Our home record was shattered ,QPR away on saturday,normally a 
    formality but these days we are finding it hard to get a good run
    together.
    
    We are still lacking in just about every position ,defence ,midfield
    and defence again.Howard is going to have to spend or we will end
    up in mid-table mediocrity again.
    
    Who are we playing in the Noddy cup next tuesday ????????
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.94WolvesBLKPUD::WATTERSONPThu Oct 24 1991 19:177
    Hi Liam,
    
>>>    Who are we playing in the Noddy cup next tuesday ????????
    
    It's Wolves at home in the League cup on Wednesday.
                                                       
    Paul
35.95BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Oct 29 1991 13:2616
    
    QPR   3-1  Everton   10,002
    Bailey     Cottee
    Barker 2
    
    Well, Everton give yet another cr*p team their first home win of the
    season. Apparently they didn't play as badly as the scoreline suggests
    - Beardlsey was outstanding and it was only some amazing goalkeeping
    which kept Everton from getting a result. But they're still going to
    struggle if the defence keeps leaking goals like this...
    
    Wolves at home tomorrow - ex-Evertonian Andy Mutch misses the game, but
    I can see Bull causing havoc - probably be a 5-5 draw. Then Luton away
    on Saturday, I confidently expect Everton to win......
    
    Paul
35.96CR@@ AND MORE CR@P..........SIOG::DAWSONWed Oct 30 1991 00:4119
    
    I Wish I was that confident !!!!!!!
    
    I caught the last half-hour on the radio ,of the QPR game.
    It was all Everton ,but they couldn.t get the equailiser
    and were caught for the third 4 mins into injury time.
    The commentator said Everton played well but I would rather
    they played s@@t and got a few points on the board.These
    are supposed to be the "easy" teams...
    
    More rumours in the paper today about Southall and Newell
    going to Chelsea for 3m.Apparently Kendall is after young
    James of Watford(i think).
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.97Evil Beagrie Back At GoodisonSIOG::DAWSONWed Oct 30 1991 20:4914
    
    Beagrie  gets a recall from loan from sunderland where he was setting
    them alight .Apparently he got man of the match twice but Kendall
    has refused to let him go and he may play tonight.
    
    Better hide all the motorbicycle,s
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
    prediction for tonight.... A safe two nil for the TOFFEE,S
    
    
35.982 for BeagrieDUCK::BARNETTDDave BarnettThu Oct 31 1991 00:457
    He is talking to Jimmy Armfield at this very moment on Radio 5
    talking about his 2 goals in the 4-1 win against Wolves. Not a
    bad comeback.
    
    He says he's intent on staying at Goodison and doesn't want to move.
    
    Dave
35.99Beagrie Bags Two .......SIOG::DAWSONThu Oct 31 1991 12:3119
    
    I heard  the interview and true enough he said that he never handed
    in a transfer request and does not want to leave.I think with the
    current Everton squad there is a place there for him but he wasn,t
    very consistent last year,maybe he might fit in with Beardsley this
    year ??
    
    A good win last night ,just what we needed ,after the last two 
    saturdays .Hopefully now we stuff Luton on saturday and start crawling
    our way up the table.
    
    
    
    
    Cheers
    Liam
    
    Whats the latest update on Ian Snodin ?????????????
    
35.100BLKPUD::WATTERSONPThu Oct 31 1991 14:2612
    
    Liam,
    
    who did Beagrie replace last night ?
    
    The last I heard about Snodin was 'he's making slow but steady
    progress' - It must be a year since his last appearance, I can't really
    see him making a succesful comeback, even if he does regain full
    fitness he'll be a shadow of his former self - look how cr*p Heath and
    Ratcliffe are now after their injuries....
    
    Paul
35.10123 Days To GoPANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldThu Oct 31 1991 16:056
    
    Watto,
    
    Beagrie & Nevin replaced Ward & Sheedy
    
    Ando
35.102STUFF LUTON ON SATURDAY......SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 01 1991 20:2611
    
    Lets stuff Luton tommorrow and get back up the table.We are now 
    fifteenth.... and the strange thing is we are playing some
    great football (with the exception of the villa game).
    
    Ah Well back to the drawing board.
    
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. Will Beagrie be playing I wonder ??????????????
35.103BLKPUD::WATTERSONPDances with WilderbeastsSun Nov 03 1991 12:3828
    
    Luton  0-1  Everton   att 8,022
                Waryzcha
    
    Beagrie played AND was man of the match in the reports I've seen - what
    did they feed him on at Sunderland ??
    
    Apparently it was a really cr*p game - the ball was booted out of the
    ground SIX times, Luton didn't have a single shot on goal and Everton
    should have won by about 3 or 4 nil. But at least it was a clean sheet
    and an away win. Due to a colour clash Everton had to wear Luton's away
    strip.
    
    Everton's team:
    
    Southall
    Jackson (Cottee 65 mins)
    Hinchliffe
    Ebbrell
    Watson
    Keown
    Nevin (Warzycha 65 mins)
    Beardsley
    Newell
    Atteveld
    Beagrie
    
    Paul
35.104yellow strip?GEMVAX::HILLMon Nov 04 1991 17:018
>    Due to a colour clash Everton had to wear Luton's away
>    strip.
 
    Don't Everton usually wear a yellow strip away from home? Luton wear
    blue and white, so they should have known they couldn't bring the blue
    uniforms. Nice to see the blues get an away win.
    
    Tom   
35.105SOCCER WITH AN OVAL BALLESSB::TSHAUGHNESSYElectric Shaughs!Mon Nov 04 1991 17:347
According to yesterdays paper Howard Kendall is qouted as saying that
all those alickadoos in the private boxes across the pitch had their backs
to the window watching the rugby on T.V. doesn't say much for the quality 
of football played !!!!!!

Rgds,
Shaughs.
35.106CURRNT::PAGEDAnna RexicMon Nov 04 1991 19:541
    Indeed, but they were playing Luton.
35.107Crawling up the Table...SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 04 1991 20:3414
    
    Well we really stuffed Luton then .. Maximum points anyway.
    
    Another good show from Beagrie ,man  of the match.
    Apparently Nevin was sh@@ he got a 5 rating.
    
    
    And we are crawling up the table ,currently 12th another 3 points
    and we could move to eighth.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.108BLKPUD::WATTERSONPDances with WilderbeastsTue Nov 05 1991 16:3411
    
    I saw Bobby the Pole's goal on the box last night - Beagrie won the
    ball in midfield, beat two men and crossed for Warzycha to hammer the
    ball in from the edge of the area - what a cracker !
    
    Everton looked terrible in Luton's tastless orange away strip - Like
    Tom said a couple back, I can't understand why Everton didn't take the
    yellow strip - it's obviously a ploy to confuse the opposition and win
    a few more away games.......
    
    Paul
35.109Everton Internationals.....SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 11 1991 12:0616
    
    
    Whats all this rubbish about the Blues chasing either Rush or Deano ??
    
    The papers must be getting bored .
    
    Beardsley is likely to start for england (worse luck for us Irish)
    Bobby the pole starts for Poland,and i havent seen Sheedy on the 
    Irish injury list either.
    
    
    
    Roll on Wednesday
    
    
    Liam
35.110Fleck now on the move ,,,,SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 11 1991 22:0316
    
    And the rumours continue .....
    
    I have just read that Howard has just offered 2m for 
    Robert Fleck of Norwich ???????
    
    
    He is a good player but 2m is a bit much ,dont you think ?
    
    
    I,ve no doubt at this stage that EVERTON have been linked to 
    almost everyone in the first division and maybe more ...
    
    
    
    Liam
35.111COMICS::WATTERSONTony Parson's secret love childWed Nov 13 1991 16:1712
35.112NEWELL SIGNS FOR BLACKBURN !!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 15 1991 12:1415
35.113going going....goneBLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenFri Nov 15 1991 15:1315
    
    Newell's departure leaves the forward line lacking in depth - Newell's
    been cr*p for the last eighteen months, but at least he was an
    alternative option to Cottee. I'd be very surprised to see Beagrie or
    Nevin leaving in the near future - other wise we might see Harper
    playing at centre forward.
    
    At least Kendall's cleared out most of Harvey's failures - McCall,
    Milligan, Newell etc etc. Jackson looks like he'll be a good buy, but
    he needs to buy a few more pretty quickly.
    
    Rob Anderson - are you still going to Goodison on the 23rd Nov ?
    
    Paul
                                                                    
35.114No Forwards Needed Against 'Pies DefencePANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldFri Nov 15 1991 16:5911
    
    Paul,
    
    Of course I am - I wouldn't miss the opportunity to see my
    puny-little-club's appearance at such a revered mega-huge-club's
    super-fantastic-stadium :-) etc....
    
    Where do you drink before the game ? As, I think I've said, I'll be with my
    father-in-law, but he's not averse to the odd drop of bitter.
    
    Rob
35.115BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenFri Nov 15 1991 17:1316
    
    Rob,
    
    I usually go to the Arkles with my brother-in-law, it's on the far side
    of Stanley Park - near Anfield - handy for parking (if you can stand
    the stench :-)) - I'll drop you a mail next week with more details.
    
>>    puny-little-club's appearance at such a revered mega-huge-club's
>>    super-fantastic-stadium :-) etc....
    
    Did you know that Goodison has escalators, so you don't have to climb
    millions of stairs to get to the Top Balcony ? I didn't see any at
    Meadow Lane........
    
    Paul
                                                       
35.116LINEAKER SAVES ME A FORTUNE ???SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 18 1991 11:3917
35.117BEAGLE::WARDMon Nov 18 1991 12:325
    I believe Everton tried to sign Johnston from Partick for 100K back
    in 1982.   He left the following year for 200K to Watford.   You get
    your man at long last ...
    
    Ray
35.118BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenMon Nov 18 1991 12:4619
35.119Johnston signsBLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenMon Nov 18 1991 16:125
35.120FREE HOUSE ,,FREE HOUSE....SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 18 1991 22:2331
35.121BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenTue Nov 19 1991 13:0127
    
    Hi Liam,
    
    I'll look forward to a few beers - I should (touch wood) be back
    permanently in Liverpool before christmas....
    
    I wonder what team Kendall will play now......
    
                               Southall
    
                     Jackson             Hinchliffe
                          Watson   Keown
    
    
                         Beagrie       Ebbrell Ward
                                Beardsley
                                
                            Johnston Cottee
    
    No place for Sheedy, Ratcliffe, Warzycha, Harper, Atteveld, Nevin
    
    The midfield looks a bit weak and only Keown, Watson and Southall are
    over 5'10 - should be interesting defending corners....
    
    Stay tuned for a full report on Saturday's game.
    
    paul
35.122The 'Pies are warming upPANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldWed Nov 20 1991 11:458
>>         <<< Note 35.121 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "No Irish in Sweden" >>>
  
>>        Stay tuned for a full report on Saturday's game.
    
    
    ...and read Note 39 for the unbiased version.... ;-)
    
    Rob
35.123Boggers ?BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenWed Nov 20 1991 12:335
    
    Everton have some Dutchman called 'Boggers' on trial from Mechelen -
    do you know anything about him Ton ?
    
    Paul
35.124CROWN::MURRAYDigital has it. Well sort ofWed Nov 20 1991 13:005
    
    
    Probably a Donkey like Wouters.....
    
    Paul
35.125BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenWed Nov 20 1991 13:186
    
    nah - he can't be that bad - Arsenal haven't tried to buy him....
    
    :-)
    
    Paul
35.126UTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 20 1991 13:2215
35.127Hee HawCURRNT::PAGEDTerry WaitedWed Nov 20 1991 14:051
    I assume -1 was written by that Dutch bloke ?
35.128UTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 20 1991 14:148
35.129Lets get back to footieCURRNT::PAGEDTerry WaitedWed Nov 20 1991 14:203
    Because the subject was quadruped football players. Something which
    seems to generate more than a little hysterical excitement in your
    side of the Dike.
35.130eh ?BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenWed Nov 20 1991 14:213
    what happened to .126 ???
    
    Paul
35.131UTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 20 1991 14:2410
         <<< Note 35.130 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "No Irish in Sweden" >>>
                                   -< eh ? >-

>>    what happened to .126 ???
    
>>    Paul

Ask the moderator, I dunno! I thought I was quite friendly :-)

T_
35.132The plot thickensBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Nov 20 1991 14:255
    Was it a Cunno special ?
    
    I think we should be told.
    
    jb.
35.133UTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 20 1991 14:2716
               <<< Note 35.129 by CURRNT::PAGED "Terry Waited" >>>
                          -< Lets get back to footie >-

>>    Because the subject was quadruped football players. Something which
>>    seems to generate more than a little hysterical excitement in your
>>    side of the Dike.

I think you are missing the point! the only thing you are doing here is
p*ss*ng off on players you never heard off and have never seen playing.

If you want to make solid statements on them, go out and see them, then
you can always say they are donkeys or not, they way you are doing it now
from behind your desk makes me sick!

T_

35.134UTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 20 1991 14:2713
    <<< Note 35.132 by BAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
                             -< The plot thickens >-

>>    Was it a Cunno special ?
    
>>    I think we should be told.
    
>>    jb.

No it was not, sorry....


T_
35.135BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenWed Nov 20 1991 14:306
>>>>No it was not, sorry....
    
    
    So what was it ? - a run down on this Boggers bloke ?
    
    Paul
35.136Assuming SET/HIDDENCURRNT::PAGEDTerry WaitedWed Nov 20 1991 16:027
35.137CROWN::MURRAYDigital has it. Well sort ofWed Nov 20 1991 17:138
35.138UTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 20 1991 17:1415
               <<< Note 35.136 by CURRNT::PAGED "Terry Waited" >>>
                            -< Assuming SET/HIDDEN >-

>>Dr Martens,

>>I think its you who's missing the point. All I'm doing here is p*ss*ng off on
>>precious little twerps who hyper-ventilate each time their chain is pulled.

>>Rgds
>>Lord Hee Haw

Well hear hear looks who's talking!!!!!!!!!! It seems to me you think very
highly of yourself, well just continue 'cause I for one don't!

T_
35.139Mummy, his head is shaped like a pin.CURRNT::PAGEDTerry WaitedWed Nov 20 1991 17:211
    Will do Dr !!
35.140My Dad's bigger than your dad !!BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenWed Nov 20 1991 17:3110
    
    
    CHILDREN CHILDREN !!!!!!!
    
    If you're going to insult each other in this note, can't you at least
    try and be vaguely witty and entertaining.......
    
    :-) :-)
    
    Paul 
35.141HLFS00::JANSEN_TUTRECHT, HOLLANDWed Nov 20 1991 17:475
    rep -1
    
    You're completely right Paul, I'm off.
    
    T_
35.142Rathole endedCURRNT::PAGEDTHE DONKEY SANCTUARY,MUENCHENWed Nov 20 1991 17:591
    Me too, game over.
35.143Phew!ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONChris the JesterWed Nov 20 1991 20:453
35.144B@*%$!+S !! KIRKTN::JJACKThu Nov 21 1991 11:5111
35.145Another reason for yeez tae hate MO!!KIRKTN::ISUTHERLANDGo to FalkirkThu Nov 21 1991 12:005
    
    JJ,
    a doot wee Mo musta tellt them whit yeez dae ti the seats at Ibrox,
    ev'ry time yeez come avisitin',(as weell as whit yeez dae wi'oor
    pies).;^)
35.146ASKFOR::HAIGHGeschwindigkeitsbegrenzung? What Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung?Thu Nov 21 1991 12:101
    Chortle! By the way, what DO they do with your pies?
35.147PAKORA::JJACKThu Nov 21 1991 12:3721
    
    re.last
    
    Well...we certainly don't eat them that's for sure. They're more
    inedible than the Parkhead one's !!
    
    As for the seats......I've been to Ibrox about a dozen times since the
    new stadium opened,and only once have I saw any seats damaged.
    Certainly,after the recent match there we left late so as to avoid the
    rush at the exits & I didn't notice ANY seats damaged in the bottom
    section of the Broomloan.
    I've laso saw us being gubbed there on more than one occassion & as I
    said...only once have I say any seats damaged.
    
    I've yet to see a pie stall set on fire though...........
    
    Now where did that happen again ??????????????   8*))
    
    
    
    
35.148CelticBLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenThu Nov 21 1991 14:1119
    
    
    Re last
    
    I can't believe the Celtic game's been cancelled - if they were worried
    about crowd violence, why did they arrange the game in the first
    place ?????
    
    I'm sure there must be some other reason (Sharp is no longer an Everton
    player - perhaps.... ?)
    
    I'll see what I can find out at the weekend.
    
    Johnston looks like he's managed to talk himself out of any future
    involvement with the Scotland team - he was whinging in the paper
    yesterday about only being sub for the San Marino game - Roxbrough
    didn't take to kindly to his remarks......
    
    Paul
35.149EVERTON ON THE UP .......SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 22 1991 19:0231
    
    Just because I havent been in the notes for a day or two ,someone
    starts an argument ( and i missed it ).
    Ah Well back to football........
    
    
    The Toffees are playing Notts County at home tomorrow.
    I have been getting good at my predictions lately  but
    this is a hard one,Given that Super Mo will proably
    be making his debut I,ll go for a home win...
    
    Everton 3   County 1
    
    Beardsley 1 Super Mo 2
    
    We live in hope.
    
    As I said before we are crawling up the table and another few wins
    and by the new year we could well be in contention.(remember i said
    it first on the 22 nov 91).Before the season started I didn,t hold
    much hope of anything this year ,looking at the team we had ,But
    Kendall has already made some shrewd buys i.e. Beardsley ,Jackson
    and hopefully Super Mo .Also he is bringing out the best in players
    like Beagrie ,Ward ,Keown (who was getting better anyway).
    So things are looking on the up at Goodison.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam 
    (ever an optimist)
35.150THE MISSING LINK .....SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 22 1991 19:058
    
    I Forgot to agree with you Paul
    The missing Link seems to be a midfielder to play with
    Ebbrell.Maybe Mc Stay ,Who knows ??????
    
    
    
    Liam
35.151...and also an Everton fan by the way !!! MASALA::JJACKFri Nov 22 1991 19:2511
    
    Dream on...........If McStay decides to leave his beloved Celtic,it'll
    be for the change & for the chance to better himself.
    No doubt the lure of winning trophies will have a lot to do with it
    too,so why should he choose Everton ?????
    
    I'm not being sarcastic btw,I'm serious
    
    SQFCSC
    
    
35.152money BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenFri Nov 22 1991 20:2613
    
    
>>    Dream on...........If McStay decides to leave his beloved Celtic,it'll
>>    be for the change & for the chance to better himself.
>>    No doubt the lure of winning trophies will have a lot to do with it
>>    too,so why should he choose Everton ?????
  
    Point taken - but I'm sure Everton could afford to pay him higher wages
    (why else would Johnston go to Goodison ?) - AND he could bank a
    reasonable stack of wads in the signing on fee and his cut of the
    transfer fee.......  
    
    Paul
35.153more on moneyPAKORA::GKELLYMore nonsense in a minuteSat Nov 23 1991 11:2712
    
    
    	re -1
    
    	If money was uppermost in McStay's mind, then why has he stuck with
    Celtic for so long. Although he will benefit out of any move, most of
    the Celtic faithfull believe that McStay's loyalty to the club will
    make  him stay at Parkhead. I only hope that the club can match any
    cash offer that he gets elsewhere and that he remains where he is.
    
    
    gk. ( living in hope! )
35.154McStay must stay ! \PAKORA::JJACKSat Nov 23 1991 11:4315
    
    I personally believe that Celtic will `break the bank'to keep McStay at
    Parkhead.
    The 27 year-old midfielder is also due a testimonial next year,so if he
    is thinking about money...then staying at Parkhead will put around 500K
    in his pocket.
    
    Any more info on why the Graeme Sharp testimonial is off ????.....and
    what about Nevin,any bids for him ?
    What'sthe feelings of the Everton fans regarding the departure of
    Newall ?
    I saw him play against Celtic at Parkhead last year in the 2-2 friendly
    in pre-season and he looked good !
    
     
35.155BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenMon Nov 25 1991 13:2043
    
    Re last few...
    
    The latest on the Sharp testimonial - it's cancelled !! It WILL NOT be
    played at Goodison, the Police have refused to let the game go ahead at
    Goodison under any circumstances....
    
    Newell - he started off well, but as he struggled to score goals, his
    general confidence went - his last 20 or so games were embaressing.
    
    And on to Saturday...
    
    Everton 1-0   Notts County     24,000ish
    Cottee 37
    
                       Southall
              Jackson             Hinchliffe
                    Keown    Watson
    
    
            Ward      Beardsley  Ebbrell  Beagrie(Warzycha)
    
                     Cottee   Johnston(Harper 60 mins)
    
    Not a bad performance - Everton always looked as if they'd win quite
    easily - the approach play, especially in the first half, was superb
    with Beardsley dominating the midfield. Johnston had a quiet debut, he
    looked a bit slow and unfit, but hopefully he'll improve over the next
    few weeks.
    
    Cottee was outstanding, he scored the winner and hit the woodwork twice
    with two superb efforts - the only black mark was the header he managed
    to miss from one yard out... Ebbrell had a quiet game - he still needs
    someone to help him out in midfield, Keown and Matt Jackson were both
    solid in defence, Notts didn't create a single opportunity. Beagrie had
    a strange game - he has the ability to walk the ball through any
    defence, but he still has a problem knowing when to release the ball.
    
    All in all, a fairly entertaining game - Everton should have scored
    more but didn't, County looked better than I was expected but were
    obviously overawed at playing at a top-class stadium... :-)
    
    Paul 
35.156ANOTHER THREE POINTS ,,,,,SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 25 1991 14:0015
    
    A good result .. Well there was only three points on offer and we got
    them all.The reports in the paper said it was easy for the blues but 
    they did miss some chances.Cottee still has me frustrated ,playing
    brill one week and pretty average the next.
    I still think we are in with a shout for the league and next week 
    against Leeds should be a cracker.(Are you going to that one Paul)
    This maybe blind optimisium (sp) but I havent seen any team that will
    have it easy at Goodison yet..
    
    
    Back Later
    
    
    Liam 
35.157BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenMon Nov 25 1991 14:0818
    
    Hi Liam,
    
    Cottee did nothing on Saturday, other than score one, hit the woodwork
    twice and miss a sitter - he's that type of player. His confidence is
    high at the moment and provided he isn't made to run round like a idiot
    for 90 minutes, he'll continue to be in the right place at the right
    time.
    
    I probably won't make the Leeds game at Goodison a week on Wednesday,
    I'm stuck back in Basingstoke again now for a few weeks. I was very
    impressed with Leeds on Sunday, but hopefully, they'll let that win go
    to their heads and fall alseep for the next two games....
    
    Paul
    
    Ps - Stefan - I got a Liverpool echo on saturday, I'll send it on to
    you when I get the chance.
35.158No Meat In The 'PiesPANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldMon Nov 25 1991 15:0251
>>         <<< Note 35.155 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "No Irish in Sweden" >>>
    
    Paul,
    
    Sorry I missed you on Saturday; due to transport difficulties, we
    travelled by train (Kirkdale), and arrived at the ground at 2.35, so
    went straught to our seats, rather than walk past to try and find the
    pub.
    
>>    more but didn't, County looked better than I was expected but were
>>    obviously overawed at playing at a top-class stadium... :-)
    
    County didn't have a clue :-(, Everton did look good in patches, and
    the stadium is very attractive, but.....
    
    ....where was the atmosphere - 24,230 in the ground, and you could here
    virtually every word uttered by the players ! If the pro-Super-League
    lobby want to base their arguments around crowd numbers, then they
    should go along and experience this phenomenon - I've been to
    non-league games where the crowd has shown more passion.
    
    As to the Everton team :
    
    Southall - Was he playing ?
    Jackson - Nobody tested his defensive abilities.
    Hinchcliffe - Very accomplished in defence and going forward - the
    inch-perfect 60 yard pass to Cottee for the goal was world-class. Can
    Kendall seriously be thinking of paying the money-grabbers at Wimbledon
    800,000 PLUS Hinchcliffe for Phelan ?
    Watson & Keown - Solid enough, albeit against donkeys.
    Ebbrell - Dissappointing.
    Ward - very quiet game.
    Beardsley - Everywhere in the first half, and nowhere in the second -
    still of international class on this showing.
    Johnston - Badly lacking fitness (though not his old wrestling tricks)
    Cottee - Obviously out to prove his worth; the only thing he did wrong
    was to miss THAT header. Surely better than Kendall's supposed ideal of
    Kerry Dixon ?
    Beagrie - The man has amazing ball-control skills. What a shame he
    can't play as part of the team.
    
    I won't do a similar assessment of The 'Pies - it would distress me too
    much; only Cherry earned his keep.
    
    Rob 
    
    PS. Did you miss County's shot on target midway through the second half ?
    
    PPS. If you're looking for a 'big-man' upfront, hows about buying Paul
    Rideout from us; only four careful owners prior to County, and I'm sure
    the wages in carrots are cheap ;-)                              
35.159shhhhhhhhh !BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenMon Nov 25 1991 16:1212
    
    Re .158
    Hi Rob, shame about the pub on Saturday - The Notts County
    supporters were all in The Arkles - there was about 20 people
    altogether..... :-) But serioulsy, there wasn't a bad turn out by your
    lot - about 1000 and at least they made some noise...
    
    I agree about the atmosphere, the seats have really killed it nowadays,
    it was never that brilliant - the low roof on the St End muffles any
    sound made - but it's a like a morgue for some games....
    
    Paul
35.160WEMBLEY AGAIN PERHAPS ....SIOG::DAWSONWed Nov 27 1991 20:5710
    
    
    Leicester  tonight in the mickey-mouse cup (that I spent loads of money
    going to the final last year).
    
    
    Should be a Doddle ...............
    
    
    Liam
35.1611-0HUGH::RAYNERTSysman&gt;@REO/LOC=G2Thu Nov 28 1991 11:351
    doddle for who ;-)
35.162No Wembley This YearESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyThu Nov 28 1991 11:421
35.163spot on again LiamBLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenThu Nov 28 1991 12:1812
    
    ZDS cup
    
    Leicester  2-1  Everton
                    Beardsley                                           
    
    
    It's not very often that I'm pleased when Everton lose, but last night
    was one of those times - hopefully this'll be the last ever ZDS cup game
    for the blues.
    
    Paul
35.164A doddle for LeicesterSHAWB1::STOCKMANSThu Nov 28 1991 16:3210
My heart bleeds blue blood for you Watty!!! 

Nice to see Johnston paying off his transfer fee!!! Ha ha



See yer


		Si
35.165WHAT TIME IS IT ....COUGH COUGH ...SIOG::DAWSONThu Nov 28 1991 20:2726
    
    I have just ate my WATCH.................
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Stupid cup anyway Bla Bla Bla........................
    
    
    
    Bring on the peacocks.A typical ploy by Kendall to lull Leeds
    into a false sense of security for the weekend.
    
    
    Leeds 1 EVERTON 2
    
    
    cheers
    Liam
35.166Leeds away - no problem !BLKPUD::WATTERSONPSay SET HIDDEN to this noteFri Nov 29 1991 19:1718
>>>                       <<< Note 35.165 by SIOG::DAWSON >>>
>>>                    -< WHAT TIME IS IT ....COUGH COUGH ... >-
>>>    Leeds 1 EVERTON 2
    
    Oh no - another Liam prediction...... :-)
    
    Leeds away at the moment is probably going to be one of the toughest
    games of the season - but hopefully Leeds' be on such a high after last
    weeks performace that if Everton can hold them for the first 20 minutes
    they'll start to get frustrated.
    
    The defence is a lot more solid than it has been with Keown and Jackson
    playing well, but Everton will have to play well everywhere to get a
    result - if Beagrie, Beardsley and Bobby can put pressure on their
    cumbersome defenders I can see Everton scoring at least a couple of
    goals... so hopefully.......
    
    Paul
35.167you jammy b*stardsBLKPUD::WATTERSONPSay SET HIDDEN to this noteMon Dec 02 1991 20:3727
    
    
    Leeds   1-0   Everton att 30,000ish
    Wallace 87
    
    Well I was almost right with my prediction - Leeds expected an easy
    win, but Everton played well in all departments - except up front.
    Beardsley missed a couple of good chances to put the blues ahead. As
    the game went on, Leeds got more frustrated and Fairclough was sent off
    for punching Mark Ward - it's the second time he's been sent off
    against Everton. Hodge appeared as substitue - was on for seven
    minutes, got booked and was replaced.
    
    Unfortunatly, with just three minutes left, Southall missed a cross and
    the ball fell to Wallace to score :-(
    
    Mo Johnston has a hamstring strain and missed the game - Atteveld
    replaced him, no news about whether he'll be fit for Wednesday's game.
    
    Everton have showed they can be as good as the rest of the first
    division, but they must stop wasting chances - especially in away
    games.
    
    Stay tuned for regular updates on Wednesday.
    
    Paul
        
35.168SHIT SHIT SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Dec 03 1991 12:2315
    
    
    SHIT.............
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Another ruined weekend....Leeds with this kind of Luck will win the 
    league.
35.169COMICS::WATTERSONTony Parson's secret love childWed Dec 04 1991 21:538
    
    Loads of selection problems tonight - Johnston's doubtful, Hinchliffe's
    out, Harper's doubtful and Jackson's cup-tied. Kendall may recall
    Ratcliffe......
    
    Leeds are at full strength
    
    Paul
35.170REVENGE TONIGHT......SIOG::DAWSONWed Dec 04 1991 21:5317
    
    Please ignore my previous outburst but I really thought that we could 
    beat Leeds this time.They beat us twice last year in the league and
    we beat them in the northern final of "whats the name of that cup
    again". Some exchange that.
    
    
    AH WELL ..we,ll get them tonight in the Rumbleows...
    
    
    Paul ,just for you ,I promise not to do a prediction.
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.171ughBLKPUD::WATTERSONPWed Dec 04 1991 23:405
    
    Half-time
    
    Everton   1-2   Leeds
    Atteveld        Speed, McAlister
35.172sh*t sh*t sh*tBLKPUD::WATTERSONPWed Dec 04 1991 23:445
    
    Oh bloody hell
    
    Everton 1-4 Leeds
                Wallace 2 in a minute (30 minutes) left
35.173BLKPUD::WATTERSONPThu Dec 05 1991 00:218
    
    Final score
    
    Everton 1-4 Leeds  att 25,467
    
    I don't like football anyway - it's a stupid game :-(
    
    miserable sulking b*stard
35.174More predictions please !!!GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysThu Dec 05 1991 08:294
    
    I've spoken to Howard Wilkinson, and he is prepared to give
    SIOG::DAWSON 10 pounds each time he predicts Leeds to lose
    this season ...   :^)
35.175RODNEY WHO ????????????SIOG::DAWSONThu Dec 05 1991 13:3212
    
    
    
    SEE .168  FOR  REPLY , DITTO DITTO ....8-)
    
    
    
    
    
    LIAM
    
    
35.176Saturday's resultBLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Dec 09 1991 16:3813
                                    
    Everton  4-0   West Ham    att 21,000ish
    Cottee 8   (the first time he's scored against his old club)
    Beagrie 10 (screamer from 25 yards)
    Beardsley 36 (the usual Beardsley class finish)
    Johnston 53 (scrambled effort - his first for the Blues)
    
    Too easy..  
    
    Coming soon...
    Southend at home in the FA Cup
    
    Paul
35.177BLKPUD::WATTERSONPI've got a piccy of CunnoWed Dec 11 1991 14:439
    
    Two Everton players have been selected for the England B squad;
    
    - Martin Keown - an acknowledgement of his outstanding displays in a
    fairly poor Everton defence this season
    
    - John Ebbrell - a natural progression from the U-21 team
    
    Paul
35.178no 'pool, no so'ton, no spurs, no forest, no arse, no leeds, no...YUPPY::SEABURYSThu Dec 12 1991 20:048
    Paul,
    
    The reason for the selection of two such mediocre players for a B
    international would have nothing to do with the fact that the players
    who would normally play are unavailable, would it ??!!?? 8-)
    
    Stew.
    
35.179BLKPUD::WATTERSONPI've got a piccy of CunnoThu Dec 12 1991 20:0812
    
    Re last
    
    Absolutely not !!!!
    
    Keown was selected for the previous England squad - but was
    unfortunatly injured and had to withdraw - Ebbrell has been playing
    well for most of the season - PLUS he's been captain of the England U21
    team for the past x games - it's a natural progression for him - he'll
    be in the full squad fairly soon.
    
    Paul
35.180Ian H - please change your P. name !BLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Dec 16 1991 14:5542
    
    Oldham   2-2   Everton   att 14,000ish
    Palmer,        Sheedy,
    Milligan       Nevin
    
    I saw the extended highlights on the box over the weekend - what an
    excellant game, both teams played well and either team could have won.
    Oldham took the lead mid-way through the first half when the defence left
    Palmer free on the edge of the six yard box and he made no mistake.
    
    Sheedy equalised just before half-time when Jackson's shot was pushed
    out by the keeper, Beardsley was first to the ball and lifted it into
    the middle where Johnston nodded the ball across for Sheedy to head in.
    
    The first 20 minutes of the second half was all Oldham with Sharp and
    Marshall causing all kinds of problems - Milligan put them back in
    front with a volley from 25 yards - Nev looked a bit slow getting down
    to it. Nevin then scored Everton's second equaliser when he intercepted
    a poor backpass and knocked the ball past the keeper - Everton finished
    stronger and only some fine keeping prevented Watson and Beardsley from
    scoring the winner (typical !!).
    
    Sheedy looked something like his old self again - he was actually
    challenging for the ball and Johnston looked very dangerous linking
    with Beardsley up front.
    
    Team
    
                             Southall
    
                     Jackson          Hinchliffe
    
                         Keown  Watson
    
                 Warzycha   Ebbrell Beardsley Sheedy
    
                         Johnston   Beagrie
    
    Subs:  Nevin - on for Warzycha
           Harper - on for Sheedy
    
    Paul
35.181this better, Paul?KERNEL::HAWLEYINOT Paul Wattersons love childMon Dec 16 1991 15:131
    
35.182BRING ON THE ARSE ......SIOG::DAWSONWed Dec 18 1991 21:0637
    
    Phew Have I been busy.............
    
    All this work is killing me.I have only been in read-only mode recenty
    but have been kept upto date thanks to Paul.
    
    Nice win against the Happy Hammers and by all accounts i.e. the 
    sunday papers  we were lucky ?? to get a draw at Oldham (not that
    I believe them ).
    
    The Arse on saturday and it,s a local derby here in the clo in dublin
    Where myself and siog:: Donnelly work hand in hand.Some punt,s shall
    be exchanged .I can also have kind words with Messrs VAN ESBECK and
    SPENCER .
    
    Kendall seems to be getting it right ,I would have settled for a 
    serious challenge next year but now I,m getting impatient.
    Lying seventh at this point of the season is just nicely poised
    to pounce .If only we had beaten Leeds then ?????????????
    
    We still need a midfielder ,good to see Sheedy playing well again.
    Any news about Hagi ?? We get Spanish football here on a thursday
    night on screensport and i have seen him play quiet a bit lately
    but I cant see him leave Real Madrid this season,them doing so well
    and all that.
    
    Ah well at least Shelbourne are top of the league of Ireland.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
    
    p.s Lets see those MARBLE HALLS crumble and quake on saturday so 
    I,ll have loads of dosh for santa !!!!!
    
35.183Up the Arse!!!!SIOG::SPENCERPeter SpencerThu Dec 19 1991 21:437
>    Where myself and siog:: Donnelly work hand in hand.Some punt,s shall
>    be exchanged .I can also have kind words with Messrs VAN ESBECK and
>    SPENCER .
    
    I'll be coming out to the CLO tomorrow to collect my turkey Liam. You
    can leave the punts up its .... By the way, how many punts do you want
    to give me? I reckon we'll thrash your lot 5-4 or 6-5 or so.
35.184ha ha ha ha LiamSIOG::N_DONNELLYMon Dec 23 1991 21:0812
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35.186IAN WHO............SIOG::DAWSONMon Dec 30 1991 14:3218
    
    Christmas came early for Ian Wright ..........
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    and the Everton defense were playing SANTA .....
    
    
    Liam
    
    (Gone for a sulk )
35.187OOOPSSIOG::DAWSONMon Dec 30 1991 14:3910
    
    Another three points dropped against weds when we should have
    won,we seem to have a big problem after getting into the last
    18 yards..
    
    
    
    
    
    Liam
35.188BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Dec 31 1991 12:4626
35.189Southampton Tomorrow ?????????????SIOG::DAWSONTue Dec 31 1991 18:1921
    
    Away to Southampton tommorrow .The way we are playing at the moment
    i would not predict anything.We seemed to be playing well but 
    not scoring .
    re. The Liverpool game ,I saw it on the Granada Match and how 
    we didn,t beat the red sh@@@ this time is beyond me.Houghton
    the smallest man on the pitch ,heading off the line ????
    
    I am almost conceding the league (almost),Hopefully a good cup
    run .
    A quote from Kendall "We are the most attractive side at the moment
    but it wont win us anything " .
    
    Dont worry Howard you are getting there.
    
    
    
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. re Venison ,Do we really need another average player ??
35.190BLKPUD::WATTERSONPEat, drink and be sickTue Dec 31 1991 19:1715
    Liam
    
>>>    p.s. re Venison ,Do we really need another average player ??
    
    
    Got to agree with you there - I've never rated Venison - he seems to
    have spent the last couple of years on the injury list - I hope
    Kendall's not desperate enough to waste good money on him.
    
    There was another rumour in the paper here yesterday about Kendall
    being interested a signing Dion Dublin - some big 6ft+ centre forward
    who plays for Cambridge - I'll reserve judgement of that as well.
    
    paul
    
35.191Dion ,NOT BAD ......SIOG::DAWSONWed Jan 01 1992 14:5918
    
    
    I have seen the said Dion Dublin and he is good .A lot of skill for
    his height and keeps banging in the goals for Cambridge.
    
    
    
    Southampton today !!! I would be very dissapointed if we didnt get
    the three points here.
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
    p.s .HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL IN THIS CONFERENCE, and Paul I hope to be 
    seeing you soon ,early feb maybe for a few CASTLEMAINE XXXX,S.
35.192BLKPUD::WATTERSONPEat, drink and be sickThu Jan 02 1992 13:0421
35.193SHALL I STAY OR SHALL I GO ???SIOG::DAWSONThu Jan 02 1992 21:5419
    
    Paul 
    
    I have just looked up the fixtures and I,ll be over proably on the
    8th of feb for the QPR game (should be a good one after their
    performance yesterday) or i might leave it till the 22nd against
    Leeds (but we might lose that one to a jammy last minute goal).
    
    I will check out the special offers and you never know i might 
    be over for both.
    
    Southend on saturday ,this could be a tough one ,they had a great
    win at newcastle yesterday 4-0 .
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.194BLKPUD::WATTERSONPEat, drink and be sickMon Jan 06 1992 10:3913
    
    Everton   1-0  Southend   Att 22,000ish
    
    A narrow win over Southend, but who cares - a wins a win in the FA Cup.
    Beardsley scored the goal after 15 minutes and Johnston hit the bar
    soon after - reading the 'slightly biased' southern newspapers over the
    weekend, Southall was the only thing between Everton and a humiliating
    'Arsenal'. 
    
    Chelsea away in the fourth round - a bit tricky, but I can't see
    Everton losing to a team as bad as that.
    
    Paul
35.195No Giant Killers AT Goodison...SIOG::DAWSONMon Jan 06 1992 20:2921
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    Well its the Utd game this saturday. I think Everton will get a result
    no problem although i don't think it will be as great as QPR's margin
    of victory on New Years day.
    
    (How about a prediction from you Paul???)
    
    I'd really like to see Everton put the boot into Utd's title ambitions
    while they're down but we do have a tendency to open the floodgates at
    the other end when we play any top sides Arsenal Leeds(cup) games this
    season. However in the North West Everton's performances have been very
    encouraging beating City and giving Liverpool and Utd defences plenty of
    exercise.
    
    I wish Howard Kendall and Everton all the best for the new year and
    hope he collects some well deserved silverware in the not too distant
    future. I think he is on the right tracks and must be applauded for the
    way Everton are playing the game in the current first division climate.
    
    
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    can the Mod put this in the everton note entry 35
    
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35.197BLKPUD::WATTERSONPDown in a vaxstation at midnightTue Jan 07 1992 10:5631
    
    Re .195
    
    Liam, I'll try and get to the QPR game and you can buy me a few beers.
    
    Re .196
    
>>>    (How about a prediction from you Paul???)
    
    No chance - have you seen the other predictions in this note ?
    
    The Blues have quite a good record against the Mancs - so I'll be
    disappointed if they do lose on Saturday. I haven't given up all hope
    of going to the game yet - it'll be something special to stand in the
    Stretford End with that Stockman bloke and see the Mancs get stuffed.
    
    Other news:
    
    The Chelsea - Everton game has been selected as the live match by BBC.
    
    Chelsea are refusing to sell Everton any seats for the game - that's
    typical of Mr Bates and his small brain !! - Chelsea claim that they can't
    segregate the supporters properly if there are Evertonians in the
    stands - how many seats has Stamford Bridge got ? - it must be at least
    15,000 and they can't keep a couple of thousand safe from their animals
    - it says a lot for Chelsea. (That is NOT a dig at Chelsea supporters
    in here, it's a whinge at Ken Bates) 
    
    Paul
    
                                        
35.198On tellyBLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Jan 07 1992 16:195
    
    ITV have selected the Aston Villa game to be the live game on TV on 2nd
    Feb - that's two weeks in a row Everton will be on the box.
    
    Paul
35.199Live TVXSTACY::MDUNPHYThe Hit ManTue Jan 07 1992 17:5310
re -.1

Paul,
	Are you sure that Everton are on sunday, as I'm travelling (from Ireland)
	to the Arsenal Vs Man Utd game (that weekend) and wasnt too sure when to
	book my flights as I was afraid that they'd change it to the sunday.


Thanks
	Mick.
35.200BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Jan 07 1992 18:119
    
    Hi Mick,
    
    Yes I'm fairly certain, according to teletext at lunchtime - it's Aston
    Villa - Everton and they're normally reliable.
    
    If you want to be 100% certain, give one of the clubs a ring
    
    Paul
35.201DUCK::WILSOND1Wed Jan 08 1992 11:269
    Re.197
    
      Paul....yeah,thats standard procedure at the Bridge,no seats for Away
    supporters.Still you can still get them.I 've got seats in the East
    Stand for Saturdays game,as we always do.There's always plenty of away
    supporters in there despite not being given seats.Just go straight
    throught Chelsea.
    
    Dave...
35.202CRISPY::BAREFIELDAWed Jan 08 1992 11:429
    
    
    
        The best seats are in the West stand you'll get a better view..
    
    
    
        andy-b..
    
35.203DUCK::WILSOND1Wed Jan 08 1992 11:445
    
      Andy.....You know thats not safe,anyway away supporters get nicked in
    there straight away.
    
    Dave...
35.204BLKPUD::WATTERSONPDays that make you go arrrggh !Wed Jan 08 1992 12:0314
    
    Dave,
    
    Which ones the West stand ? - is that the decrepid old shack underneath
    the TV cameras or the newish stand that almost bankrupted Chelsea in
    the mid 70s.
    
    I've been in the seats on both sides at Stamford Bridge, the decrepid
    old one was full of the usual Chelsea neanerthals - especially at the
    bottom where you could get straight in from the terraces. The other
    side was okay, but I was in the top level, the lowest level doesn't
    look to safe when you see it on TV.
    
    Paul
35.205West Stand not safe for visiting fansGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Wed Jan 08 1992 12:077
    
    I wouldn't recommend the seats in the West Stand for away fans.  I was
    there twice last year and was surrounded by quite a few nutters both
    times.  You'll have to keep very very quiet if Everton score.  You do
    get a good view from the West Stand though.
    
    Gary.
35.206CRISPY::WILSOND1Wed Jan 08 1992 12:298
    .204
     Paul,thats it,the old stand is the West.
    
      The East Satnd is ok,the Famous(or Infamous) Gate 13 has gone
    now,thats a Family Enclosure now.
      The West Stand,as Gary said is a defiante NO,NO for Away fans.
    
    Dave...
35.207never felt more like singin the blues..CRISPY::BAREFIELDAWed Jan 08 1992 12:378
    
    
    The so called nutters as you call them at the bottom of the West Stand,
    are all Chelsea membership holders..
    
    
     andy-b...
    
35.208BLKPUD::WATTERSONPDays that make you go arrrggh !Wed Jan 08 1992 12:5110
    
    Wasn't it Chelsea who appointed stewards from the regular
    'supporters' ?
    
    - I remember hearing stories about scraps at Chelsea and the stewards
    would, rather than stop the trouble, join in.....
    
    strange club.....
    
    Paul
35.209CRISPY::BAREFIELDAWed Jan 08 1992 13:4712
    
    
     It's not as if Everton have got the best behaved supporters either,
     There have been many attacks on away supporters at Lime Street
     station over the years.
     Chelsea have had many problems over their time but that seems to
     have calmed down now, but Liverpool and Everton have had their share
     of aggro and they never get punnished or commented upon it by the 
     press..
    
     andy..b
    
35.210BLKPUD::WATTERSONPDays that make you go arrrggh !Wed Jan 08 1992 14:0413
    
    I wasn't saying Everton supporters were angels, but the club doesn't
    condone the hooligans - unlike Chelsea appeared to be doing by making
    them stewards...
    
    Also didn't Ken Bates distribute directors tickets to the thugs for a
    game at Luton a couple of years ago and they ran riot ?
    
    Paul
    
    PS - Anyway, Everton always DO Chelsea - High Street Kensington station
    1979 - The Shed, FA Charity shield 1970...... :-)
     
35.211well done!CRISPY::BAREFIELDAWed Jan 08 1992 14:176
    
    
      That cant be bad two results in all the history of the two clubs..
    
      andy-b...
    
35.212GOING ON MY CHRISTMAS HOLS ?????????/SIOG::DAWSONWed Jan 08 1992 21:3614
    
    RE The last few  TUT tut....
    
    I,m off on a few day,s holidays and hopefully when I get back on
    monday Everton will have trashed the Mancs and have moved closer to the
    top.
    
    
    
    Cheers 
    
    
    
    Liam
35.213SLATER?SUBURB::RUANEVThu Jan 09 1992 16:239
    Stuart Slater?
    
    Should Howard sign him? Is he worth Two million (as reported in
    yesterday's Independent)? Or should the Toffees be looking to sign
    a tall striker?
    
    I'd love to see your opinions,
    
    Vincent.
35.214my humble viewBLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Thu Jan 09 1992 16:3922
    
    Should Howard sign him? 
    
    NO !! 
    
    Is he worth Two million (as reported in yesterday's Independent)? 
    
    In today's market, yes he probably is - he destroyed Everton in the
    cup game last season, but as I've already said in the West Ham note,
    Kendall's already signed a number of similar type players.
    
    Or should the Toffees be looking to sign a tall striker?
    
    Yes - it won't do any harm - the team are playing well are creating so
    many chances, it's frustrating when the can't put them away. A tall
    striker may not make a difference, but at least he'll offer a second
    option to Kendall.
    
    I still think Everton should be looking to buy another midfield player -
    someone to help out Ebbrell and let Beardsley play further forward.
                   
    Paul
35.215Buy BIGFUTURS::FLETCHERThu Jan 09 1992 17:1432
    Should Everton buy a tall striker??
    
    After watching the Sheff Wed game over the hols , YES they should buy a
    tall striker. I dont think Johnston (sp) got his head to 1 ball during
    the whole game , the only time we got anything in the air was when
    Beagrie came on.
    
    The forward line played a whole lot better against Lfc when Beagrie was
    playing from the beginning , even better in the 2nd half after Wright
    had gone off.
    
    It still puzzles me why we bought Johnston. We have a small forward
    line and we put somebody in who is of the same stature. We should have
    gone for a bigger forward from the start. Somebody will also have to go
    if we buy anyone else - hopefully Cottee (he missed 3 open shots on
    goal against Sheff Wed - only 1 of them on target).
    
    In the 2 games over christmas I was very impressed with Beagrie , but
    it looks as though he is playing in his slippers - he is always falling
    over - any thoughts.
    
    
    Nige
    
    PS. Did any of you Evertonians get the Howard Kendall autobiography in
    your christmas stockings titled 'Only the best is good enough'.
    Im read about 1/3 at the moment , just got past the part where the team
    was getting booed of the park every time they played.
    
    PPS. The atmosphere at Everton was C**P against Sheff Wed. Is this the
    type of future we want with all-seater stadiums and zero atmosphere
    generated??
35.216Now he's tall....but that's where his uses stop.BHUNA::JJACKSat Jan 11 1992 16:104
    
    I don't suppose you fancy taking Cascarino off our hands ?   8*))
    
    
35.217BLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Mon Jan 13 1992 12:3914
35.218ANOTHER HELL OF A WEEKEND .........SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 14 1992 14:4033
    
    
    What a disasterous weekend ......
    
    Beaten by the scum and then signing Ablett ARRGHHH..............
    
    By all accounts a draw on saturday would have been a fair result
    by championships are won when teams get results like this ..
    Re the penalty : The commentators were quiet sure that it was a penalty
    and were mistified when the ref didn,t even give a free kick.Any 
    comment on this from anyone who was at the match ??????????????
    
    Paul  I have had a change of plan and proably wont be going to the
    QPR match but will definetly be going to the LEEDS match on the 22nd
    of feb.Also i,m trying to persuade the wife that easter is great in 
    coventry.Her cousin is a season ticket holder at highfield and is 
    anxious t oget me there ,If so I could catch the Man City game on the 
    monday..
    
    
    Re Ablett ..My friend (who is an avid blues fan ) met Ablett and his 
    wife in spain last summer and had a few nights out with them .He said
    he was a nice enough fellow but a true RED_NOSE. (there,s a
    contradiction).What is the feeling on merseyside ?????????? I heard
    he was getting a lot of stick from the Kop.I hope Kendall knows 
    what he is doing ?????????? 
    This must signal the end of Ratcliff ,who gave great service to the
    Blues but never got back to his best since his long term injury.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.219EVERTON SUPPORTERS UNITE !!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 14 1992 14:5122
    
    Forgot to mention that I was at the Everton supporters club meeting
    Irish branch (and no, it wasn,t held in a phone-box) last night.
    15 people turned up ,which wasn,t bad as there was a lot of familiar 
    faces missing.Considering how we are doing this year this was a good
    turn out ,also there was very little notice given in the papers.
    
    So anyone reading this who secretly supports the Blues the Venue
    from now till the end of the Season is
    
    THE MAID BAR  beside the pro cathedral on marlborogh st on the 
    first monday of every month @ 8.00 pm.
    We usually have a bit of banter and finish up with a quiz.....
    
    
    Good Crack and all are welcome.
    
    
    Cheers
    Liam
    
    p.s Tiger COME OUT OF THE CLOSET ,I KNOW WHERE YOUR HEART REALLY LIES.
35.220BLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Tue Jan 14 1992 17:4217
    
    Re .218
    
    Okay Liam, I might see you at the Leeds game.
    
    Re Ratcliffe - it was announced yesterday that he is now on the
    transfer list - he's no great loss now - he's lost his pace and his
    confidence. Having said that, he'll probably go to Blackburn and finish
    up as one of the players of the year.
    
    Everton are 'live' on the TV for the next three Sunday's running;
    
    Forest at Goodison    19/01/92
    Chelsea away FA Cup   26/01/92
    Villa away            02/02/92
    
    Paul
35.221IAN WHO ????????SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 14 1992 20:3711
    
    Any News on Ian Snodin ???????????
    
    I have just got a copy of "when skies are grey" and there is a
    topic on him ,very funny too.It is "Friends of Ian Snodin"
    mimicing the hostage crisis where Snodin hasn,t been seen in
    666 days and so on ....
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.222European Championships '92 DrawYUPPY::SEABURYSFri Jan 17 1992 18:5817
    Group 1
    -------
    SWEDEN
    FRANCE
    YUGOSLAVIA
    ENGLAND
    
    Group 2
    -------
    HOLLAND
    SCOTLAND
    CIS (Commonwealth of Independant States)
    GERMANY
    
    
    Stew.
    
35.223BLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Fri Jan 17 1992 19:129
    
    Re .222
    
    Thanks Stew, that's a very helpful note........
    
    (psssstt don't tell anyone, but I've already seen the European draw in
    the other 17 notes that you put it in)
    
    Paul
35.224THE BLUES ON THE BOX ----SUNDAYSIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 17 1992 20:0416
    
    
    Forest at Home on sunday and it LIVE on I.T.V.
    
    At last people can watch some good football on tele....
    
    
    I seem to remember a few years back  this match was on live mid-week
    and we hammered forest 4-1 .and I remember someone saying that that
    was the first time they had seen EVERTON play (abit like losing his
    virginity;because it was orgasmic 8-) 8-)
    
    
    
    
    Liam
35.225CRISPY::NAGLEJFri Jan 17 1992 20:2928
    
    A few facts of interest.
    
    The last time Forest won at Everton was back in August 1977
    when they won 3:1. Since then they have drawn five and lost
    eight of the 13 games played.
    
    Evertons biggest League win over Forest was 6-0 at Goodison
    in October 1961.
    
    EVERTONS full record against Forest.
    
    			P	W	D	L	FOR	AG
    DIVISION 1 		101	43	21	37	164	125
    
    DIVISION 2		8	3	4	1	17	13
    
    F.A CUP		5	3	0	2	12	7
    
    LEAGUE CUP		2	0	0	2	2	4
    
    SIMOD CUP		1	0	0	1	3	4
    
    TOTAL		117	49	25	43	198	153
    
    
    
    JN.
35.226Welcome to the home of real football!DBCIC1::RUSSELLMon Jan 20 1992 15:1511
    Liam,
    
    I hope your boys have a really good time at the Bridge on sunday
    and have the stuffing knocked out of you. From what I saw yesterday
    , Forest threw away an easy victory. They should have won 3-0.
    
    Everton to sink in the mud of Stamford Bridge!!!! 2-0 at least to
    Chelsea.
    
    *Tiger*
    
35.227BLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Mon Jan 20 1992 15:4633
    Everton   1-1    Nottm Forest  att 17,700ish 

    Everton's season so far was summed up nicely in one game - at times,
    Everton's mini forwards ripped Forest apart, but yet again they couldn't
    score enough goals. 

    Everton started off okay and Warzycha and Beardsley both went close
    before Forest took the lead in the 37th minute- Pearce tapped a
    free-kick to Gemmill and his shot took a wicked deflection off Keown's
    back to leave Southall stranded.

    Everton began the second half with Jackson off injured and Warzycha
    replaced by Beagrie - Harper moved from midfield to cover for Jackson
    and this effectively surrendered the midfield to Forest. Southall made
    an outstanding save from Gemmill to deny Forest a second before Everton
    moved both Keown and Watson up front for the last ten minutes - this
    was the signal for a siege on the Forest goal - Cottee and Johnston
    both missed clear chances and Chettle almost steered Beagrie's shot into
    his own goal. Watson finally equalised in the 85th minute after some
    brilliant work by Keown - he nutmegged a defender in the box, then beat
    the keeper to the ball to knock it into the middle for Watson to head
    home.
    
    It's obvious that Everton need a big forward - even if it's just to
    give them another option up front. The midfield were overrun yesterday
    - something that happens everytime Ebbrell has a quiet game. Ablett had
    a average debut - not bad for an average player........ While Keown was
    outstanding yet again - especially when compared to Des Walker who had
    one of the worst games I've seen him play. Jackson picked up a groin
    strain and looks doubtful for next week and Johnston appears to have
    broken his wrist and may be out for a while.
    
    Paul                                                      
35.228The Scousers NutmeggESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Jan 20 1992 15:5712
35.229No bones brokenFORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerMon Jan 20 1992 19:176
re .227

According to the Reading Evening Post, Johnstone has not suffered a fracture and
Howard Kendall not yet ruled him out of the cup clash with Chelsea

Al
35.230A FAIR RESULT ME THINKS !!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 21 1992 15:4718
    
    RE-2  Excellent unbiased report ,as usual, from our man at Goodison.
    
    I have to agree with everything you said Paul.
    Keown should have got man of the match although Gemmill was a close 
    second.It,s only a matter of time for him to get his England call up.
    You forgot to mention that Southall was back to his best with some 
    brilliant saves and that Cottee is as frustrating as ever,he missed
    a possible hat-trick.I was impressed yet again with Beardsley and
    Johnson covered a lot of ground in the second half especially.
    
    Why was "polish bob" substituted so early ?????????? I thought 
    he was playing well .
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.231waffle waffle blah blahBLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Fri Jan 24 1992 13:0622
    Liam,                                               
    
>>    Why was "polish bob" substituted so early ?????????? I thought 
>>    he was playing well .
    
    I think Kendall's getting a bit frustrated with him - when he first
    came in he was prepared to run at anyone, but this season he seems to
    prefer to knock the ball back inside to the non-existant midfield.
    
    It looks like he's dropped altogether for Sunday's game and Pat Nevin
    is recalled - should be interesting to see how 'Wee Pat' performs
    against his former club. Johnston's defo out - he hasn't broken his wrist,
    but he hasn't recovered from last weeks knock. Cottee replaces him.
    
    The latest news on the transfer front is........ 
    
    Tranmere have made an approach for both Sheedy and Ratcliffe - the fee
    will be next to nothing for both of them (Sheedy's on a free anyway),
    the main sticking points are - will they want to play in a team with
    Aldridge and also can Tranmere afford their wages ? 
    
    Paul
35.232SUBURB::ABSOLOMTRevengeSun Jan 26 1992 18:344
    I've had the dosh on Everton this afternoon at two-ta-one, they'd
    better win!!
    
    Tony
35.233Got to pick a pocket or two..SUBURB::ABSOLOMTRevengeMon Jan 27 1992 13:313
    Poxy Tony Cottee!!
    
    Tony
35.234zzzz zzzz zzzzBLKPUD::WATTERSONPOne more mint Mr President ?Mon Jan 27 1992 15:3925
    
    FA Cup 4th Round
    
    Chelsea   1-0  Everton att 21,000ish
    
    What an unbelievable cr*p game - the first 45 minutes were terrible
    with both teams so scared of conceeding a goal that they forgot to
    attack. Everton played the little bit of football that was played -
    Nevin almost scored, but he was offside anyway and Cottee almost
    connected with Nevin cross - but was too short. Vinnie Jones controlled
    the midfield like the class player he is........
    
    The second half was slightly better football wise, Chelsea dominated
    the first 15 minutes and Dixon missed a good chance to put them ahead.
    Everton gradually clawed their way back into it, but it was Chelsea who
    took the lead when Clive Allen scored with his first kick of the ball
    after 71 minutes. Everton then decided they'd have to score to stay in
    the cup (!!), but Beagrie missed a good chance, then Cottee got through
    on goal with only the keeper to beat and managed to hit the keeper. The
    worst miss came when Beagrie was pulled down in the box by the keeper,
    Cottee took the penalty and and again managed to hit the keeper.Vinnie
    Jones controlled the midfield like the class player he is........
    
    Paul - this was all witnessed from the comfort of my living room,
    that's how I knew who the Chelsea players were....
35.235ARRGH.................SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 28 1992 00:4032
    
    ARRGH.........
    
    I Had a dream last night that Chelsea beat Everton and Cottee missed 
    a penalty that could have drawn us level ,then I woke up
    ARRGH...............
    
    
    What a load of crap .Sack Kendall ,sack the lot of them ARRGH..
    
    The same thing happened last year against DE AMMERS ,We was crap
    crap ,crap...
    I,ll still be going to the Leeds match but I,m F...ked if i,m
    going to spend my money on this crap for Easter .
    Our season over and it,s still January CRap Crap crap....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Ah Well theres always next year ..............ARRGH...............
    
    
    
    
    Liam 
    ( who got totally blotted last night ,and still hasn,t recovered)
35.236WHO'S THE KING OF THE CASTLE!PEKING::BAREFIELDATue Jan 28 1992 13:476
    
    
      If you see cottee, tell him he still owes Dennis Wise five pound..
    
      ANDY.B
    
35.237Get out of townFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Jan 28 1992 13:595
    
    
    If you see cottee, tell him to put his house on the market.
    
    NIGEL.F
35.238PEKING::NAGLEJTue Jan 28 1992 14:0313
    
    In all fareness I'd say the game was pretty much 50-50 with
    more Everton chances coming in the second half.
    
    Chelsea missed about 5 chances in the first half and Graham
    Le-saux took the piss down the left flank.
    
    Nevin couldn't get into the game and Cotee shouldn't have taken
    the penalty, it should have been Beardsly who would have scored.
    
    It could have gone either wey.
    
    JN.
35.239Two passes in succesionYUPPY::SEABURYSTue Jan 28 1992 16:239
    I watched the game on Sunday...
    
    Why does Howard Kendall insist on playing Ken Dodds Diddymen in his
    side?
    I thought Chelsea were well worth their win, Graeme Le Saux should
    definately have been man of the match!!
    
    Stew.
    
35.240zzz zzzBLKPUD::WATTERSONPanyone wanna buy a house ?Wed Jan 29 1992 13:308
    Re last

    Yawn yawn yawn yawn !!!!

    More brainless Liverpool comments in some other team's note.

    Paul
35.241I got the Blues, again!DBCIC1::RUSSELLWed Jan 29 1992 13:366
    Hello  Liam,
    
    hard luck, me aul flower!!  great goal by Clive, eh???
    Wish us luck against Charlton/Sheff Utd...bye.
    
    *Tiger*
35.242ALLWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE...SIOG::DAWSONTue Feb 04 1992 13:0929
    
    ASTON VILLA 0 EVERTON 0
    
    Another crap performance and it now more apparent then ever that we 
    need a tall stricker.Southall was kicking the ball to Mc Grath all
    afternoon with no challenge.Villa had a lot of chances but the
    blues could have sneaked it at the end.Big Ron was disgusted at
    the end because his team couldn,t score ,How do you think Kendall
    must have felt ??Both teams should have had a penalty ,villa,s
    been the most obvious...Cottee still frustrats but me being
    the eternal optimist saw some good things in this game..
    
    Keown was brilliant and he must play for England soon....
    Jackson had a good game and it was obvious that he was injured 
    in the second half.
    Southall back to his best .
    Watson had a good game too.
    APart from that Nevin had a good second half as did Beagrie (back
    to beating the same player three times etc)
    We need to get rid of Cottee and maybe Ward and get someone strong
    to help Ebbrell in midfield.
    
    
    
    back later
    
    
    
    Liam
35.243BLKPUD::WATTERSONPanyone wanna buy a house ?Wed Feb 05 1992 19:259
    
    Totally agree Liam - it's soooo frustrating at the moment, anyway the
    good news is..........
    
    Ian Snodin has resumed full training - he's expected to be into
    contention for a first team place in a month (provided he doesn't break
    down again of course....)
    
    Paul
35.244THERE,S ONLY ONE IAN SNODIN ....SIOG::DAWSONThu Feb 06 1992 13:0115
    
    Paul  Thats the best news I,ve heard all season (apart from the mancs
    getting stuffed last night 8-) )
    
    Snodin was and hopefully still is a class player .
    RE the Leeds game ,I,ve just heard that it is switched to a sunday 
    game ,Can you confirm this ????
    If it is true I can,t make it and will go to the Oldham (everton 
    reserves) game on the 7th march instead.
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.245BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBasingstoke escape committeeThu Feb 06 1992 13:4012
    
    Liam,
    
    I'm going to the QPR game on Saturday (dunno why after the last few
    weeks), I'll find out about the Leeds game then. I hope it's not on
    telly again. When was the last time Everton won (or even played well in
    a telly game ?)
    
    Anyone heard any rumours about Cottee going to Tottenham ?
    
    Paul
                   
35.246AT LAST !!!! A BID FOR COTTEE...SIOG::DAWSONThu Feb 06 1992 22:3216
35.247zzzzBLKPUD::WATTERSONPoh - and while you're there....Mon Feb 10 1992 14:0333
    
    
    Everton    0-0   QPR   att 18,000   
    
    Well I must have been to a worse game than this, but I'm f**ked if I
    can remember when - it was horrendous. Everton played like a team with
    no confidence and no incentive to do anything, QPR on the other hand
    played like a team with loads of confidence and no incentive to do
    anything.
    
    Everton started badly and got gradually worse, the midfield was
    'boosted' by the inclusion of Alan Harper alongside Ebbrell, Ebbrell
    tried hard, but he seems to be suffering from spending most of the
    season as Everton's entire midfield, Harper was just crap and was
    replaced by Waryzcha at half-time. The forwards made the midfield look
    good - Beagrie was frustrating, he had numerous attempts at beating the
    same player six times before eventually losing the ball. Ward spent the
    game hidden in a divot and Johnston wore Cottee's shirt with all the
    skill, class and confidence of the little man - he did sod all and even
    his close control was pathetic. Beardsley wore a blue shirt, but I
    can't remember if he touched the ball.
    
    Everton didn't create a single chance in the whole 90 minutes (QPR only
    had one that I could think of), had the game been on telly I'd have
    fallen asleep after 10 minutes, but unfortunatly I paid to go and with
    a wind-chill factor of about -20 degrees sleep, was impossible - but I
    did read the programme a couple of times AND I knew who was playing
    for the opposition this time.....
    
    Paul
    
    Liam, the Leeds game is LIVE on telly in two weeks AND it's ALL-TICKET
    - take my advice, take the wife shopping instead......
35.248not Everton again!!!DBCIC1::RUSSELLMon Feb 10 1992 15:0811
    This is getting ridiculous....ITV have EVerton on live again against
    Leeds on sunday week..................***WHY***?????????????
    
    Its not as if Everton are remotely involved in the championship,
    . I reckon they have been on the telly for 4 of the last six 
    televised games and the only good game was against Chelsea when
    we beat you 1-0  YEEEEEEEEESSS!!!!...
    
    Still waiting for reply from Liam Dawson!!!!
    
    *Tiger*
35.249zzz zzz zzz IIBLKPUD::WATTERSONPoh - and while you're there....Mon Feb 10 1992 15:5512
>>    Its not as if Everton are remotely involved in the championship,
>>    . I reckon they have been on the telly for 4 of the last six 
>>   televised games and the only good game was against Chelsea when
>>    we beat you 1-0  YEEEEEEEEESSS!!!!...
    
    It's obvious - Everton have taken over from Arsenal, (they get beaten
    too often), Liverpool (all those goals in European games) and Man Utd
    (challenging for the League) as the most tedious side to watch on a
    Sunday afternoon - ideal for sending millions to sleep. Chelsea also
    helped out as well.....
    
    Paul
35.250Kendall on the Prowl.....SIOG::DAWSONWed Feb 12 1992 16:1914
    
    
    Everton have no game this week but Howard Kendall is rumoured
    to be over here in Ireland to watch the "B" match Ireland v Denmark
    tonight.He is supposed to be interested in a few of the Irish youths.
    Also proably to watch Gerry Peyton.
    Ray Atteveld has gone to West Ham on loan ,this puzzeled me as we 
    dont have much cover at the back.
    Ah Well I have to trust Kendall (or do I)......
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.251Alan Harper - superstar !BLKPUD::WATTERSONPoh - and while you're there....Wed Feb 12 1992 20:0316
    
>>>    Ray Atteveld has gone to West Ham on loan ,this puzzeled me as we 
>>>    dont have much cover at the back.
>>>    Ah Well I have to trust Kendall (or do I)......
    
    There doesn't seem to be much cover anywhere now... I'm dubious about
    what Kendall's doing - the reserves are not particulary strong at the
    moment (they've been stuffed by Liverpool and Villa in recent weeks
    with NO players with first team experience playing). It looks like
    Harper will be expected to fill in for everyone.....
    
    By the way, the youth team have reached the quarter finals of the FA
    youth cup after winning 2-1 at Arsenal - they face Tottenham or Derby
    away.
    
    Paul
35.2520-0 AT THE BRANDYWELL.....SIOG::DAWSONFri Feb 14 1992 21:3410
    
    Everton played Derry City last night in the Brandywell and were held
    to a nil nil draw.Cottee missed a sitter as usual ,I believe he is now
    officialy on the transfer list.
    Both teams had their chances and only for the form of both keepers
    the match stayed scoreless..
    
    
    
    Liam
35.253RABBIT RABBIT,,,,,SIOG::DAWSONMon Feb 17 1992 18:3526
35.254SHEEDY LEAVES THE FOLD..SIOG::DAWSONSat Feb 22 1992 19:115
    
    Sheedy has gone to Newcastle on a free Transfer ............
    
    
    
35.255BLKPUD::WATTERSONPStill no Irish in SwedenMon Feb 24 1992 15:1239
    
    Everton  1-1  Leeds   att Haven't got a clue - looked about 15,000
    
    Yet another 'staring appearance' on the box for Everton. The first half
    was 'sluggish' it even looked boring when viewed at double speed on the
    video. Leeds looked slightly sharper and Cantona missed a good chance
    when he outsprinted the defence, but put the ball wide - in the first
    half's other incident, Southall made a great save from McAllister.
    Everton played like a team with no confidence.
    
    The second half was a bit better - Leeds took the lead when Southall
    made a mess of a high ball into the box, Shutt crossed the ball from
    the edge of the six yard box and Keown turned it into his own net.
    Everton then came back into the game and Jackson scored his first
    senior goal when Keown flicked on a corner - Beardsley also put the
    ball in the net later on, but was just off-side. Everton finished the
    stronger team and looked the more likely winners.
    
    Hinchliffe came on as sub and partnered Ebbrell in midfield - he made
    quite a difference and will hpefully play there again until Kendall
    gets round to buying someone else.
    
    Rumours.... Seville in Spain are rumoured to be chasing Kendall...
    
    Team..  
    
    Southall
    Ablett
    Jackson
    Keown    
    Watson
    Ebbrell
    Warzycha   (Beagrie)
    Johnston
    Cottee     (Hinchliffe)
    Beardlsey
    Ward
    
    Paul
35.256Kendall stays ,Nevin goes ....SIOG::DAWSONWed Mar 04 1992 13:1624
    
    WEST HAM 0 EVERTON 2 
                Johnson,Ablett
    This would normally be a good victory away ,but with whats happening
    at Upton Park at the moment it not suprising.Still another three 
    points in the bag.
    
    Nevin is gone to Tranmere rovers on a months loan and I would be 
    suprised if he ever plays for the blues again.
    
    Quote from Kendall re his reported moves back to spain
    "I left Everton when I had my job done,I came back to do a job
    again and it,s not done yet ,but we are getting there.."
    
    So it appears he is there for a while...
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. Paul I,am going to the Norwich game at Carrow Rd on the 21th march
    There is a few Gooners from digital going over to the Leeds match on
    the 22nd ,so I said I would go with them if they came to Norwich with 
    me .Any chance you would be going to this one ???????????/
    If you have any info like where the ground is ?How will I get tickets 
    Etc I would appreciate it if you would post them here.
35.257COMICS::WATTERSONOne more mint Mr President ?Thu Mar 05 1992 13:3222
    
    Liam,
    
    sorry, but there's no way I'd waste money going to Norwich to watch
    Everton at the moment. There's a bit in the Norwich note about getting
    to the ground - it's dead easy come out of the station and follow the
    river and you'll come to the ground. The game won't be all-ticket - so
    don't worry about getting tickets in advance. The away supporters bit
    used to be all caged in - with black tar on all the cages - you maybe
    better off going in the Riverside End (? - it's the opposite end
    anyway) - there's no fences there.
    
    Incidently, there's an Everon supporters club in London (ESCLA), they
    run cheap trips to most games. Their details are in a few programmes -
    if you can't find it, I've got the address somewhere - it might be
    worth giving them a bell and seeing if you can save a few bob on the
    trainfare.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Paul
                                      
35.258PHONE NO FOR ESCLA PLEASE....SIOG::DAWSONThu Mar 05 1992 14:1318
    
    THANKS PAUL
    
    I wouldn,t normally travel that far ,but while i,m in london I might
    as well go to see the Blues.I have an address for ESCLA
    
    43 Dickerage Rd 
      Kingston 
      surrey
      KTI 3SR
    But i havent got a phone no for them.I met them on the train from
    London last year going to the derby game and they told me they
    had paid  11 pounds return to liverpool ,I had just paid 28 pounds.
    
    If you had a phone no or could get one I would appreciate it in return
    for a norwich programme.........
    
    Liam
35.259COMICS::WATTERSONOne more mint Mr President ?Thu Mar 05 1992 14:5212
    
    I'll see what I can find...
    
    That address you've got is out of date (I think) - that's John Smith's
    address, I don't think he's anything to do with them anymore. John
    Collins is the main man now.
    
    Stefan - if you're reading this, that stuff I sent you the other day's
    got the ESCLA phone numbers in it - have you got it yet ?
           
    Paul
                             
35.260Not yetSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Mar 05 1992 18:449
    
>    Stefan - if you're reading this, that stuff I sent you the other day's
>    got the ESCLA phone numbers in it - have you got it yet ?
     
    No, but I'll look at home if the number is in the old programmes.
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan
35.261Everton in seventh placeCOMICS::WATTERSONMon Mar 09 1992 17:1213
    
    Everton  2-1  Oldham   att 21,000ish
    
    Beardsley 2
    
    Another win and another two goals - what a run !! Still nice to see
    Beardsley getting some goals again. Wimbledon away tomorrow night -
    will the run continue ?
    
    Liam - I can't find that bl**dy phone number anywhere.
    Stefan - Did you have any luck finding it ?
    
    Paul
35.2621st game in Div 1 at 35?GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Mon Mar 09 1992 19:044
    
    Did Gerry Peyton play in goal on Sat?
    
    Gary.
35.263COMICS::WATTERSONTue Mar 10 1992 17:0917
    
    Re last
    
    Gary,
    
    I don't think he played - I never saw anything to say Nev failed his
    fitness test. I'll find out for sure tonight at Wimbledon.
    
    Team news for tonight - Keown is doubtful, Harper stands by - I'm sure
    he'll do a lot against Fashanu......
    
    Prediction  
    
    Wimbledon 1-4 Everton  attendance 1,002
    
    Paul
        
35.264Europe here we comeFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Mar 10 1992 17:228
    Paul 
    
    Good guess for the score , but I think the crowd estimate is a bit
    high. Ill go for 675.
    
    Do the Wombles still play at the home of the FE's.
    
    Nige
35.265COMICS::WATTERSONTue Mar 10 1992 17:3910
>>>    Do the Wombles still play at the home of the FE's.

    Yes - it's the same 'class establishment' where we saw Everton hammer
    Charlton last year.....

    I'm confident that the crowd will be swollen when the rumours of an
    Ian Hawley appearance at a football match, start to circulate.
                                              
    Paul
35.266still got the blues???KERNEL::HAWLEYIIan Hawley, South UK VMS supportTue Mar 10 1992 18:047
    
    please note that i am only going to this match because Paul is coming
    with me to the Genoa match (and he'll be in the kop!)
    rumours of a red-blue switch are untrue!!!
    
    Ian 'Notts Countys biggest fan'?!?!
    
35.267ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzFUTURS::FLETCHERWed Mar 11 1992 12:4515
    Wombles 0 EFC 0
    
    Im sure Paul will give a full report later in the day.
    
    Just to make him feel even better , theres a report today that Selhurst
    Park , the fantastic home of the FE's , will be one of the grounds used
    if England get the next Euro Championship.
    
    An FA Spokesman said :
    
    	"Its got one of the best Supermarkets in the first division"
    
    Nigel
     
    
35.268one shot at goal, there's only...COMICS::WATTERSONWed Mar 11 1992 13:3448
    
    Wimbledon   0-0   Everton  att 3,500ish - honest !!!
    
    Aided by Ian Hawley's lethal navigating, I managed to make it through
    the rush hour traffic and into deepest darkest south London in good
    time for the game - unfortunately, it must rank as one of the worst
    games I've ever seen.
    
    Wimbledon started brightly and Nev made a couple of good saves from
    Clarke and Fashanu, but after that the game settled down and neither
    team even threatened to score. Warzycha had one effort in the first
    half, but that was Everton's attacking contribution. Things were so bad
    that towards the end, the Everton supporters were singing 'one shot at
    goal, there's only one shot at goal' - the loudest cheer of the night
    was when Hinchliffe blasted the ball from 25 yards - it ended up well
    wide, but at least it doubled Everton's shot tally....
    
    On the plus side the defence continues to look solid - Fashanu's a
    handful, but he was overshadowed by Clarke who always looked dangerous
    when he got the ball - Keown and Watson did well to restrict his
    shooting opportunities.
    
    On the minus side, the attack and midfield were dreadful, Wimbledon
    aren't the 'up and under' team they used to be and do actually try and
    play football, and they totally over-ran Everton in midfield. Up front
    Johnston had a 'quiet game' (quiet game = sh*t game) and Warzycha was
    virtually marked out of the game by man of the match Phelan.
    
    
    Everton's team
    
                                Southall
    
                    Jackson                 Ablett
    
                              Keown Watson
    
                    Ward  Hinchliffe Ebbrell  Warzycha
    
                         Beardsley   Johnston
    
    Subs Beagrie - replaced Warzycha
         Harper  - replaced Johnston
    
    The names of the crowd are also available on request......
    
    Paul
        
35.269neutral-ish match reportKERNEL::HAWLEYIIan Hawley, South UK VMS supportWed Mar 11 1992 13:4651
    
    Wimbledon 0-0 Everton
    
    well, what a bundle of fun this was!
    perhaps one of the worst matches either of us had ever seen.
    Wimbledon started the better side, charging on to the attack and
    forcing 2 brilliant saves from Southall, it looked at that point like a
    good game might be forthcoming. It wasnt. The game stagnated in the
    first half, occasionally livening up with the odd run from either side
    (but mostly wimbledon i have to say).
    Andy Clarke went close with a hooked shot that whistled over the
    cross-bar, but the general format seemed to be...
    Player gets ball, passes ball, gives it to opposing defender, defender
    passes back to keeper, keeper hoofs the ball upfield, player gets ball,
    player gives ball to opposing def....etc,etc,etc.
    The second half was marginally better, with Everton actually coming
    forward in spells, but they seemed incapable of feeding the attackers
    who had few chances and they were either soft or wide.
    The midfield seemed non-existant and the wingers muted.
    only the defence seemed strong and it was this that kept them in the
    game. Wimbledon came charging with about 20 mins to go and almost
    scored a couple of times, but Southall and the defence remained strong.
    In the dying minutes Everton finally started to attack probably in
    response to chants from their fans... 
    "One shot at goal! weve only one shot at goal! one shot at goooaaal!
     weve only one shot at goal!"
    someone (Beagrie?) shot it just over the bar which caused a great roar
    and cries of "more!" from the Everton fans.
    but there was only 30 seconds to go and time ran out just as they
    seemed to get into their stride.
    
    As for the Everton side, well, as has been said the defence was solid,
    SOuthall pulled off a couple of stunning saves early on, Ebberell,
    Jackson, Keown and Ablett were tight and didnt let much through.
    Warzycha(sp) was active on the right wing as opposed to Hinchcliffe 
    who was outmatched by a brilliant Terry Phelan.
    up front Beardsley was a class apart as an extra midfielder but didnt
    get the kind of support to look threatening on goal.
    Mo Johnston had one good touch early on then disappeared from the game
    and was substituted by Peter Beagrie who looked busy but did little.
    Ward was absolutely terrible. The guy just CANNOT pass a ball.
    he had one good moment, a run past two players.
    All in all, Everton never really looked like scoring and Paul was 
    disappointed with their performance.
    Wimbledon were little better, Phelan and Clarke stood out from the rest
    and Fashanu fell down with elegance.
    apart from that nothing really to say.
    
    All the best, 
    Ian.
    
35.270TRUCKS::SANTWed Mar 11 1992 14:471
    
35.271COMICS::WATTERSONWed Mar 11 1992 14:565
    
    Ah - but at least we were there - none of this watching recorded
    highlights/ getting a programme from the local paper shop stuff.
                                                             
    Paul
35.272ECSLASTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Mar 12 1992 16:1742
35.273We are on our way .....SIOG::DAWSONFri Mar 13 1992 16:5510
    
    THANKS for all the Info...
    I will give john collings a ring later today .There is about six
    of us going ,so if we got a discount it would be appreciated.
    
    
    thanks again.
    
    
    Liam
35.274HALF PRICE TO NORWICH....SIOG::DAWSONFri Mar 13 1992 22:0813
35.275ANOTHER WELL DESERVED POINT 8-)8-)SIOG::DAWSONMon Mar 16 1992 13:0013
    
    Another stunning display from the blues ......
    
    We got a brilliant draw with Luton in Goodison 8-)8-)
    
    Did anyone see Lutons goal ??? It is byfar the candidate for
    Blupper of the Year.....
    
    
    Still this sums up the season ,Lets be optimistic for next year..
    (only because we have to)
    
    Liam
35.276Waste of MoneyFUTURS::FLETCHERMon Mar 16 1992 13:2216
    I did a really stupid thing on Saturday - I went to Goodison.
    
    Basically it was an awful game. I thought Lutons goal was pretty good ,
    the free kick beat Nev all ends up (OK Watson should have cleared).
    
    The Equaliser was well taken by MoJo.
    
    Apart from that it was rubbish. Beagrie was the best player for me ,
    but hes got nobody to aim at in the middle.
    
    You guys going to the Norwich game , save your money and go and have a
    few beers in London , your bound to be better entertained.
    
    It was freezing as well.
    
    Nigel
35.277COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shMon Mar 16 1992 17:2521
    
    Nigel,
    
    Luton eh, dear oh dear - serves you right for missing the 'Wimbledon
    classic'..... 
    
>>    You guys going to the Norwich game , save your money and go and have a
>>    few beers in London , your bound to be better entertained.
    
    I don't agree - the attraction of watching Everton at the moment is
    wondering how bad they're going to be. Norwich is bound to be another
    classic nil - nil or one goal thriller. There's another 'big' game
    tomorrow, away to Notts County - I'm gutted to miss that as I've
    already seen the first half of the teams' titanic struggle this season.
    Luckily, there's a few more biggies coming up - Southampton, Sheff Utd,
    Man City and Chelsea at home and Palace, Coventry and Tottenham away.
    
    I'll predict a storming 1-0 to someone tomorrow and a Wimbledon style
    attendance something in the upper 3,000s.
    
    Paul
35.278Snore Draw BorePANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldMon Mar 16 1992 18:4010
>>       <<< Note 35.277 by COMICS::WATTERSON "As happy as a pig in sh" >>>
    
>>    I'll predict a storming 1-0 to someone tomorrow and a Wimbledon style
>>    attendance something in the upper 3,000s.
    
    Paul,
    
    I think you've got one zero too many in the crowd estimate :-)
    
    Rob
35.279AWAY THE LADS ,,,,SIOG::DAWSONTue Mar 17 1992 02:137
    
    Lads 
    These are the things one must suffer to get a weekend away from the
    wife.....
    
    
    Liam
35.280Cash for PatFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Mar 17 1992 14:148
    Everton want 750,000 for Pat Nevin from Tranmere if they want to keep
    him.
    
    Im surprised that weve not had a glowing report from Cunno about Aldo's
    recent glut of goals - hes up to about 36 now. Has he left the company
    - we should be told.
    
    Nigel
35.281COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shWed Mar 18 1992 13:479
    
    Last night's action packed result........
    
    Notts County    0-0       Everton    att 7,000 ish
    
    Teletext said Beardsley had two attempts at goal and Nev made a
    brilliant save.
    
    Paul
35.282Where have all the goalscorers gone .....PANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldWed Mar 18 1992 13:5212
    Paul,
    
    The Indy this morning never mentioned the brilliant save, and to be
    honest I can't see who on the County side could force him to make one.
    
    As predicted a totally c*!p, lifeless game; the only surprise was that
    the crowd was no less than normal despite us not having won in the
    league in '92, and despite us having 'sold' the fans darling Tommy
    Johnson, and despite that the fact that we are now second favourites
    for the drop.
    
    Rob
35.283more nonsense.....YUPPY::PANESComon baby light my fagWed Mar 18 1992 13:598
re last


How could a game involving a mega-big-five club possibly  be c%%p?



Stuart
35.284COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shWed Mar 18 1992 14:0814
    
    Rob,
    
    I think teletext said it was Bartlett who had the shot - must have been
    really exciting anyway.........
    
>>>How could a game involving a mega-big-five club possibly  be c%%p?
    
    Stu, the amazingly 'big' Everton will be making their second visit to
    Sainsbury's carpark in a couple of weeks - you'll be able to see just
    how cr*p they are at the moment.....
    
    Paul
                            
35.285YUPPY::PANESComon baby light my fagWed Mar 18 1992 15:5820
       <<< Note 35.284 by COMICS::WATTERSON "As happy as a pig in sh" >>>

    
    
>>>How could a game involving a mega-big-five club possibly  be c%%p?
    
>    Stu, the amazingly 'big' Everton will be making their second visit to
>    Sainsbury's carpark in a couple of weeks - you'll be able to see just
>    how cr*p they are at the moment.....
    
>    Paul
                            


Paul,

The annoying thing is, the Diddymen will probably do the F.E's.


Stuo
35.286:-))KERNEL::MORIARTYWed Mar 18 1992 19:583
    	Re .281.....What was Beardsley doing shooting at Nev???
    
    Confused
35.287COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shThu Mar 26 1992 13:3817
35.288Who be himFUTURS::FLETCHERThu Mar 26 1992 14:088
    Paul
    
    Who is Simon Barker. If hes a forward lets hope that he a bit bigger
    that 5' 4".
    
    Good to see Keown score. Apparantly he was at fault for the first goal.
    
    Nigel
35.289COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shThu Mar 26 1992 14:2415
    
    Nige,
    
    now that you mention it - he is about 5' 4'' - similiar type of player
    to Ward if memory serves me right.......obviously a radical change in
    Kendall's thinking...
    
    I didn't think Keown was at fault for the first goal - Skurivy (sp ?)
    gave him a bit of a run around, but other than his goal he didn't get
    too many chances. Walker was marking him when he scored. England's
    midfield was p*ss poor I thought.
    
    Paul
    
    
35.290FUTURS::FLETCHERThu Mar 26 1992 14:3010
    Paul
    
    Re: Keown: Im only going on what it said in the paper as I didnt see the
    highlights.
    
    Similiar type of player to Ward - you mean he's Crap ;-)
    
    
    
    Nigel
35.291COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shThu Mar 26 1992 14:5713
>>>    Similiar type of player to Ward - you mean he's Crap ;-)
    
    Hmmmm - no comment.......
    
    But seriously, he's a winger/midfield 'battler', he was at Blackburn
    for years before QPR signed him - he played well against Everton at
    Loftus Rd this season, but has been out of the first team for a while
    now.
    
    How dare the papers blame Keown for anything, obviously some biased
    'suvern' rag.
    
    Paul
35.292DIDNT WE HAVE A LOVELY DAY,THE DAY WE WENT TO...SIOG::DAWSONFri Mar 27 1992 14:0149
35.293BLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Apr 06 1992 20:1015
    
    Well following Everton's 'stunning' 1-0 home defeat by Southampton
    comes another 'stunning' defeat - 2-0 away to Crystal Palace. All I
    know is, Beagrie had a 'goal' disallowed and while the Everton players
    were moaning to the ref, Palace went down the other end and scored.
    They then wrapped the game up with a dodgy penalty.
    
    Looks like Everton are finally out of the title hunt for another
    year........
    
    Can any of the vast legions of Palace supporters who went put a report
    in ?
    
    Paul
        
35.294As requestedYUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieMon Apr 06 1992 20:4153
    Since you insist.........
    
    The FE's scored their largest win of the season against Everton on
    Saturday (we have scored more goals, but this is our first win by more
    than the odd goal!).
    
    Everton brought a very poor crowd with them, and started aggravting
    people early on, with Big Nev wasting time blatantly from about the 5th
    minute. Keown was roundly booed every time he touched the ball by the
    Palace fans, remembering his elbowing of Eric Young last
    season.
    
    As for the game, Everton's petit forward line looked very ineffective
    for most of the game, spending large amounts of time passing the ball
    but seldom going forward. Palace, meantime, played some of their best
    football for a while, with Thomas and young Simon Rodger being
    particularly strong in midfield. No goals in the first half, but Palace
    very much on top.
    
    Everton came out more after halftime, and had a goal disallowed for
    offside (Mr Coppell reckons at least three players were caught)
    Johnston got himself booked for arguing with the linesman. There were
    also bookings for Keown for an elbow on Bright and Collymore for a
    charge on someone. From Martyn's clearance of the free-kick, a long
    ball went down Everton's right whihc they gave up on a bit. Rodger beat
    the right back and Southall to the ball and flicked the ball across for
    Coleman to slot into an empty net.
    
    Shortly afterwards, Bright was through on goal in the box and was
    brought down. Penalty said the ref and Bright scored his 20th of the
    season. I must be honest and say it looked a bit of a home penalty, but
    after most of the decisions we have had this season, it was about time.
    
    No real threat from Everton after that, but Palace fans were severely
    upset to see Simon Rodger carried off with a suspected cracked bone in
    his ankle, yet another injury to add to:
    
    Salako
    Osborn
    McGoldrick
    & Shaw
    
    All in all, a good solid performance from the FE's, and a niggly,
    arguing with each other one from Everton. They were summed up by
    Warzycha (sp?) in the first half. Bright was down, and Martyn rolled
    the ball out from the edge of the box to allow the trainer on. When all
    was OK. War-thingy took the throw, and rather than throw it back to
    Martyn, tried to throw it away from him for a goal kick. Martyn managed
    to trap it tho'. Rather childish in the first half at 0-0.
    
    OK Paul??
    
    Paul
35.295BLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Apr 06 1992 20:467
    
    Cheers Paul,
    
    nice and unbiased - ever thought of getting a job as head football
    writer at 'The Sun'....... :-)
    
    Paul
35.296Truth is stranger than fictionYUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieMon Apr 06 1992 20:586
    Its always an option is R**ghtS**ing come along :-)
    
    Paul
    
    btw - I thought it *was* unbiased.....
    
35.297YUPPY::PANESFrench kisses and chinese burnsMon Apr 06 1992 21:0712
  A fairish report Paul.

  I was in-line with Beagrie's "offside" goal. It was a good shot, but the
  linesman/ref were correct.

  I cannot comment on the penalty as my view was obscured by a great fat 
  tub of lard.


  Who kicked Rodger?

  Stuart
35.298About to go back to the right note - honest!YUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieMon Apr 06 1992 21:1811
    Stu,
    
    Didn't see anyone kick Rodger, but he looked well crocked. Probably
    Ward tho' as he'd been kicking Thomas and Rodger most of the afternoon.
    
    As for your obstructed view - I didn't see that Molby had signed for
    Everton? Or was it a Womble at a decent game by mistake?
    
    Paul
    
     
35.299Shock horrorIOSG::BUTTONMon Apr 06 1992 21:5910
re.      <<< Note 35.297 by YUPPY::PANES "French kisses and chinese burns" >>>
    
    
>  I cannot comment on the penalty as my view was obscured by a great fat 
>  tub of lard.
    
    Ah, so Robert Maxwell is not dead.  Is he going to be buying Palace
    soon?
    
    Jon
35.300BLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Apr 13 1992 19:0510
    
    Hmmm
    
    yet another 'disappointing' result on Saturday - 0-2 at home to Sheff
    Utd and with rumours of Kendall going to Spain at the end of the
    season, things are looking bleak at the school of science....
    
    Matt Jackson has been selected for the Scottish U-21 squad.
    
    Paul
35.301Sensible kidPEKING::WILSOND1T.H.F.CTue Apr 14 1992 12:264
    
     Hasnt Mathew Jackson turned down the Jocks to play for England ???
    
     Dave...
35.302BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Apr 14 1992 18:5110
    
    I don't think he turned them down - it now turns out he's not even
    eligible. He was picked because the Jocks thought his mother was
    Scottish- this was a scandalous lie and it was actually his grandmother
    who was Scottish..... and only the Irish are allowed to select players
    with such a tenuous link. :-)
    
    A lucky break for Jackson.
    
    Paul
35.303LETS GET IT TOGETHER NOW FOR NEXT SEASON...SIOG::DAWSONWed Apr 15 1992 13:0114
    
    I never thought i would want a season to end so quickly.I,d say
    most of the everton players are the same.
    I dont think that Kendall will jump ship just yet ,remember the last
    time he was under pressure and was nearly sacked We went on to win the
    league twice and runners up in the middle year also the F.A cup and
    the Cup Winners Cup .(I,m beginning to sound like Cunno now)
    Lets hope we buy a few tall players ,one upfront one for midfield and
    one at the back and then we could make a serious challenge for the 
    league next year...
    
    bye for now 
    
    Liam
35.304Barlow gets a Full game....SIOG::DAWSONWed Apr 22 1992 13:2923
    
    At last Stuart Barlow gets his first full game for the blues and
    from the reports he didnt do too badly and was denied a penalty
    against man city on easter monday.This is currently Everton,s
    worst season in at least twelve years but us blues fans
    are eternal optimists and I for one am looking forward to next
    season.
    With Sheedy going to Newcastle and Peyton going to ??? this
    severs the Irish connection with the blues but Kendall is still
    interested in Martin Russell (portadown).I think he is from Finglas
    which is my birthplace .Apparantly he is setting the Irish League 
    alight.Will Everton miss out on this one ?????????
    Has anyone any idea whats happening in the A-team and the reserves ???
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. Are Everton playing United in Stormin Normans testimonial and when
    is it. Are the rumours true that Graham Sharps testimonial against 
    Celtic was cancelled after the signing of Super-Mo for fear of riots ??
    
35.305Cricket seasons startedFUTURS::FLETCHERWed Apr 22 1992 13:476
    re: The reserves. Last time I looked they had hardly won a game since
    christmas (bit like Man U). They were in danger of going down. The A
    team - who knows.
    
    Nigel - who will be looking forward to next season if the right players
    arrive in the summer - and the right players leave.
35.306SHAWB1::STOCKMANSWed Apr 22 1992 14:119
Stormin Norman's Testimonial Game is on Sunday 3rd May at Old Trafford & yes it's
Man.Utd V Everton. Kickoff at 15:00

You won't believe this, you can actually pay at the turnstiles to get into the 
standing areas!!!!!

Bye bye

		Si
35.307BLKPUD::WATTERSONPWed Apr 22 1992 14:3123
    
    Wow - a deluge of notes in the Everton topic.....
    
    Is Peyton supposed to be leaving ? - I think he's been loaned out just
    to give him some first team practice. (Obviously getting too much
    practise in the reserves....)
    
    Everton must have their weakest squad for years at the moment, there's
    only about 18 first team players including Ratcliffe, Snodin (who's on the
    verge of a comeback again) and Hinchliffe (now out for a while with a
    knee problem) - of the rest, only Barlow seems on the verge of a
    breakthrough into the first team. 
    
    Hopefully Kendall's purged out most of the cr*p that Harvey bought
    ('us Evertonians are enternal optimists') - but I wish he'd start
    buying a few new players.......
    
    Si, I fancy going to Old Trafford on 3rd May - assuming the Mancs don't
    win the League - I won't wear my Everton shirt this time, but do you
    know where a could borrow a Leeds shirt from........ :-)
    
    Paul
         
35.308BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue May 05 1992 15:2236
35.309Don't waste your money...MADBAS::DSMITHTue May 05 1992 16:1712
35.310Told yer so.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Wed May 06 1992 19:4510
    Season ticket prices are going up by 30%.
    
    
    So thats where all the Premier league dosh is going. As I said ages ago
    in some note the only people whom will benefit from the Premier league
    will be the already overpaid players.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.
35.311BEARDSLEY WINS THE WATCH ....SIOG::DAWSONFri May 08 1992 17:0617
    
    UNSWORTH WHO HE ????
    I listened to the match against spurs the other week and up pops
    Unsworth and scores the equaliser for Everton.Must admit i never
    heard of him.
    The Everton supporters club (Irish Branch) had their vote for
    player of the year and Beardsley shaded it by one vote from keown.
    A nice piece of crystal on its way to him.
    Does anyone know where Everton are playing on tour this year ??
    I also heard a rumour that Aldridge played for them in normans
    testimonial and he is travelling with them on their summer tour.
    Any comments from Cunno confirming or denying this would be welcome
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.312BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFri May 29 1992 16:5910
    
    Not much happening at the moment - 
    
    no transfers in and no one out, other than Kevin Ratcliffe being given
    a free transfer, maybe Newcastle will sign him aswell.
    
    Matt Jackson got sent off playing for England U-21 last night in some
    tournament in France.
        
    Paul
35.313Aldo to join Toffees.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEThe Mancs are out of the cupFri May 29 1992 20:009
   If Kendall had any intelligence he should make a daring bid for
none other than THE GREAT ALDO where he would be teaming up with Peter
Beardsley. If they could repeat their Liverpool form that would be something
to behold. I actually read in the papers over here that Kendall is supposed to
be an ALDO fan and that he is interested in him.

    Cunno

35.314hmmmm niceBLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Jun 01 1992 19:105
    
    Everton's new away strip for next season will be a very tasteful
    'salmon & royal blue'............ no comment !
    
    Paul
35.315Come on you PinksFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Jun 02 1992 12:4611
    Paul
    
    Quote from todays paper "Everton will be wearing pink shirts next
    season as the club gos back to its roots. A new salmon pink jersey with
    navy blue stripes will be worn to mark the clubs 100 years at Goodison.
    The kit will be used as the away strip. The colours were first used in
    1881 when the club moved Goodison"
    
    Have you bought yours yet paul??
    
    Nigel
35.316RTODWT::DCASSIDYTue Jun 02 1992 13:446
    
    If Everton were going back to their roots they'd be wearing Black
    shirts but I can't really see referees agreeing to wearing Salmon
    shirts!!
    
    Dezzz
35.317BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Jun 02 1992 18:4513
    
    Sounds like another 'rip-off the supporters' fiddle to me - Salmon
    (SALMON not PINK !!!!) and Royal blue will be the 'official' change
    strip for next season - but considering the home strip is already blue,
    I can't see them getting the chance to wear the salmon kit to often.
    
    Nige,
    
    I haven't seen any for sale yet, when I do, I'll get you one as well
    shall I ?
    
    Paul
             
35.318BLKPUD::WATTERSONPThu Jun 04 1992 19:575
35.319BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Jun 09 1992 14:199
    
    
    Everton have announced that all season ticket holders will get a refund
    for any home games they can't attend when they're rescheduled to Monday
    night for TV coverage.
    
    Liverpool are following Everton's lead.
    
    Paul 
35.320Anything Liverpool do Everton will copy..PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordTue Jun 09 1992 14:313
    
    
    Copycats... Can't Everton do anything original ??
35.321Southall turning RED ??????????????SIOG::DAWSONMon Jun 15 1992 12:4313
    
    I heard a viscious rumour that Southall has gone to Liverpool
    
    Any Truth in this ??????????
    
    also that we beat Chelsea last week 4-2 ,If so what was the game etc
    
    
    Liam
    
    p.s Very quiet on the transfer market ..................
    
    Is Kendall on holiday or something ???????????
35.322BLKPUD::WATTERSONPMon Jun 15 1992 15:016
    
>>>    I heard a viscious rumour that Southall has gone to Liverpool
    
    Liam, sounds like someone's winding you up again.
    
    Paul
35.323I,ll SWOP YOU TWO COTTEE,S FOR A .....SIOG::DAWSONTue Jun 30 1992 00:0017
    
    EVERTON have been very quiet on the transfer list ....
    
    Surely we must be swoping with some Man city players 8-)8-)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Any news would be appreciated 
    
    Liam
35.324BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPTue Jun 30 1992 13:057
    
    No news at all - there isn't even any speculation at the moment.
    
    The new 'salmon and royal blue' shirts have hit the streets - they look
    very smart......
    
    Paul
35.325fishy smellWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Jun 30 1992 19:068
    Paul,
    
    	So I'll see you donning the new top next week at footie will we.
    
    puek, heave, ugh etc...
    
    
    guess who
35.326BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPTue Jun 30 1992 19:229
    
    Mac,
    
    no, I'll save that for when I go clubbing it - I'll carry on wearing
    the tasteful yellow one for now. Still, it's better than your 'Man Utd
    1966-67 League champions' cap-sleeve t-shirt....... :-)
    
    Paul
    
35.327SHAWB1::STOCKMANSTue Jun 30 1992 19:231
Your only jealous watty!
35.328BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPWed Jul 01 1992 13:066
    
    Everton play Sheff Wed at home first game of the season, the full
    fixtures are published later today, so I'll post them tomorrow.
    Apparently it includes all games rescheduled for Sundays and Mondays.
    
    Paul
35.329Wot - still no transfer newsFUTURS::FLETCHERWed Jul 01 1992 13:175
    Paul
    
    What is the date of the first game?
    
    Nige
35.330BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPWed Jul 01 1992 13:214
    
    August 15th - same weekend as the Tall ships race......
    
    Paul
35.331FUTURS::FLETCHERThu Jul 02 1992 13:436
    Paul
    
    Do you know who they are playing on the 22nd August , as ill be
    shooting up the M6 that weekend.
    
    Nigel
35.332BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPThu Jul 02 1992 13:517
    
    
    Norwich away....
    
    I'll post the full fixtures when I'm not busy.
    
    Paul
35.333BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPThu Jul 02 1992 15:2888
	Whoops - rerouted from the RAB C note.....
    
    
    It looks like I was wrong about games being rescheduled for TV -
    they'll be decided a couple of weeks before - the first batch up until
    October will be announced next week.



    As for preseasons, I believe Everton will be playing Borussia
    Monchengladback (sp) at Goodison in August. Haven't heard about a
    preason tour yet.
    
    
Paul
    
    
Aug 

15	Sheff Wed	H
19	Man Utd		A
22	Norwich		A
25	Aston Villa	H
29	Wimbledon	H

Sept

1	Blackburn	A
5	Tottenham	A
12	Man Utd		H
19	Crystal Pal	H
26	Leeds		A

Oct

3	Oldham		A
17	Coventry	H
24	Arsenal		A
31	Man City 	H

Nov

7	Nottm For	A
21	Chelsea		H
28	Ipswich		A

Dec	

5	Liverpool	H
12	Sheff Utd	A
19	Southampton	H
26	Middlesboro	H
28	QPR		A

Jan

9	Crystal Pal	A
16	Leeds		H
26	Wimbledon	A
30	Norwich		H

Feb

6	Sheff Wed	A
9	Tottenham	H
13	Blackburn	H
20	Aston Villa	A
27	Oldham		H

Mar

6	Coventry	A
10	Chelsea		A
13	Nottm For	H
20	Liverpool	A
23	Ipswich		H

Apr	

3	Sheff Utd	H
10 	Middlesboro	A
12	QPR		H
17	Southampton	A

May

1	Arsenal		H
8	Man City	A
35.334BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPErr is this the Rangers note ?Thu Jul 02 1992 20:039
    More waffle.....

    Keown picked up a 'niggly' knee injury against Sweden which now turns
    out to be serious - he's had an operation and will miss the first month
    of the season. Cottee and Snodin are both fit enough to begin
    pre-season training.

    McPaul 
35.335SHALL HE STAY OR SHALL HE GO .....SIOG::DAWSONThu Jul 02 1992 21:307
    
    Pat Nevins contract expires today  ,will he stay ????????????
    
    
    
    
    Liam
35.336BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPErr is this the Rangers note ?Mon Jul 06 1992 14:407
35.337Who heFUTURS::FLETCHERMon Jul 06 1992 14:508
    Paul
    
    Who is this Barry Horne.
    
    Not suprised about Paul McStay.
    
    Nige
    
35.338BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPErr is this the Rangers note ?Mon Jul 06 1992 15:129
    
    Nige,
    
    Horne's 30 and is the Welsh captain (I think) he was at Wrexham for
    years, then went to Portsmouth before moving on to Southampton. He
    looks (and plays) a bit like Mike Milligan (remember him.....) I'll
    reserve judgement for now.
    
    Paul
35.339My hero!!!!SHAWB1::STOCKMANSMon Jul 06 1992 17:5510
RE .338



Sounds like a good buy Paul! It`ll improve your chances of the odd honour or 3!!!

I reckon Simon Hughes should play for Everton! He`s the business!


Si...
35.340Cottee Stays For a While ....SIOG::DAWSONMon Jul 06 1992 21:2018
    
    It seems Mr Cottee is determined to see out his contract with the blues
    He has one year left and according to the NOTW yesterday he is
    staying..
    Barry Horne has a reputation of being a "hard man",possibly what we
    need in midfield.I too will reserve my judgement..
    Across stanley park Sourpuss has said only seven players are not 
    on the transfer left..dont know which seven.
    After a quick look at the fixtures it looks better than last year
    for me travelling from Ireland.
    It,s a pity about McStay but would all the other players be prepared
    to chip in to pay his wages ???????????
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.341Not a very good buy..PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordTue Jul 07 1992 16:599
    
    I saw Barry Horne play for Southampton when I lived down there and he
    didn't do very well at Southampton. They bought him from Swindon for
    over 1 million and never seemed to fit in..
    I don't know wether you would consider him as a hard man in midfield
    or not on the evidence of what I saw, but the Mike Milligan comparison
    is probably only on looks and build..
    
    Gary..
35.342NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Tue Jul 07 1992 18:135
    
    I thought Horne had a good season (last). Scored a few quite amazing
    goals especially in the cup against Burnley (think).
    
    Tim
35.343BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPTue Jul 07 1992 18:3214
    
    re .341
    
    Gary, you're thinking of someone else - I can't remember his name, but
    he played for Portsmouth in their cup run last season - Horne went from
    Portsmouth to Southampton. 
    
    According to the radio this morning, Horne should be signing today,
    there was another bit that said Kendall might go for Ferguson the
    Rangers player.
    
    Liam - any idea on what games you're coming over for next season ?
    
    Paul
35.344Oooops my mistake..PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordTue Jul 07 1992 21:286
    
    
    Your right Watty its Alan McCloughlin (sp) and to see them together on
    the pitch the looked like twins..
    
    Gary..
35.345NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Tue Jul 07 1992 21:415
    
    re -1 
    
    They look nowt like each other!
    
35.346Pantomine argument..PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordWed Jul 08 1992 18:316
    
    
    Oh yes they do !!
    
    
    Gary..
35.347BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPFri Jul 10 1992 13:5913
    
    Barry Horne signed a 3 year contract on Wednesday, the fee to be fixed
    by tribunal. Kendall has said he wants to sign one more player before
    the start of the season - rumours that it was Lee Chapman have been
    denied by the club.
    
    Jackson has a 'mysterious virus' and may miss the start of the season,
    Keown has had his operation and will miss the first couple of weeks of
    the season (at least). Everyone else, including Snodin, will be ready
    for the start of the season.
    
    Paul
        
35.348BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPMon Jul 20 1992 13:0818
    
    
    Preseason friendly results
    
    Friday
    Haspar SV (German 4th division) 	1 - 1 Everton
                                        (Beagrie)
    
    Nev was injured so Jason Kearton made his first team debut - the report
    sounded a bit like most of last seasons games - Everton had most of the
    possesion, but only managed one goal. Yugoslav trialist Preki had a
    useful game. 
    
    Sunday
    Hameln 				0-4   Everton
                                              Ward, Beagrie, Preki and (?)
    
    paul
35.349WAR001::WATTERSONPTue Jul 21 1992 13:568
    
    Beagrie looks set to sign for Southampton - dunno what his valued at,
    but it means Everton won't have to pay anything for Horne.
    
    Shame if he goes, he's probably one of the most talented players about
    at the moment.
    
    Paul
35.350BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPWed Jul 22 1992 12:558
    
    Beagrie's turned down the move to Southampton, saying he wants to stay
    and fight for his place at Goodison.
    
    Everton are expected to announce a big loss for the year later on this
    week, also, season ticket sales are well down on last year.
    
    Paul
35.351GET TRICKY TREV BACK TO GOODISON....SIOG::DAWSONWed Jul 22 1992 21:3115
    
    Good News about Beagrie staying ..He played well last season and 
    with a run in the first team he could become vital for Everton.
    Shame about Trevor Stevens going to leeds ,Kendall should pay
    the 2.5m or what ever to get tricky trev back to Goodison.
    Any odds on Everton winning anything this season ????
    
    
    Liam
    
    p.s Paul  I was going to go over for one of the first matchs 
    of the season but with F@@@ -UP with sky i.e sunday/monday
    matchs I will have to plan carefully.I have a stag party in galway
    the end of august ,so that will drain me of my secret slush-fund
    so I hope to go over late sept /early oct.....  
35.352Oct 24 Highbury?SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Wed Jul 22 1992 22:166
    Liam,
    
    How about October 24 Arsenal V Everton? DEClan and I are thinking about 
    going over and that one is not on Sky's list. We could probably
    persuade Noel and Mick Dunphy to go too. I entered the matches Sky has
    shuffled about up to Christmas somewhere in here.
35.353BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPThu Jul 23 1992 13:0619
    
    Liam,
    
    The two SKY games have already been announced - Oldham away and
    Liverpool at home - give us a shout if you're coming over at all.
    
    The Steven saga isn't over yet - Leeds weren't happy that he still had
    cash wrangles with the French, it appears that they've dropped out
    and will sign Rocastle instead. Having said that, I believe that
    Kendall approached Steven earlier in the summer and he turned down a
    move to Goodison.
    
    Meanwhile back at the tour....
    
    Cloppenburg 1-4  Everton
                     Johnston 2, Cottee, Ward
    
    No more details.
    Paul
35.354BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPPaul Watterson - VMS smokersThu Jul 23 1992 20:1822
    
    More details about the latest tour game....
    
    Team
    
    			Kearton 
        Jackson     Ablett Watson   Hinchliffe
    	
    	  Warzycha  Ward    Horne   Preki
    		Cottee  Johnston
    
    Subs used Beardsley, Southall Jenkins 
    
    With Keown out for the first month, it looks like either Ablett or
    Jackson will partner Watson at the centre of the defence - Kearton is
    now second choice keeper ahead of Peyton - the new shirts made their
    first appearance and were 'resplendent in the evening sunshine'.
    
    Beagrie has changed his mind again and will be talking to Southampton
    tomorrow.                                     
    
    Paul
35.355shurly shome mishtake .....SIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 24 1992 19:3811
    
    I  saw in one of the other notes that EVERTON are 40/1 to win the title
    this season.Could be worth a quid or two ???????
     crazy odds especially when Arsenal are 2/1 favorites.....
    Everton might not have a brill team but they are only rebuilding
    after colin harvey spent all the money,but the gap between
    the two teams could not be that much.
    
    Liam
    
    
35.356ABLETT THE SLICER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 24 1992 19:397
    
    re -2  Ablett at centre half  ??????????? Enough to give me
    nightmares....
    
    
    
    Liam
35.357Bet on Coventry insteadGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Fri Jul 24 1992 20:2627
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    re -2  Ablett at centre half  ??????????? Enough to give me
    nightmares....
    
    
	And you wonder why you're at 40/1.  
    
    Gary.    
    
    Liam
35.358it's not a gap it's a chasmSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Fri Jul 24 1992 20:328
    >	EVERTON are 40/1 to win the title
    >	Arsenal are 2/1 favorites.....

    >   the gap between the two teams could not be that much.
    
    I believe the gap was 4-2 last time Liam ;-) 
    
    Any thoughts on October 24th?
35.359The Challenge is on ......SIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 24 1992 21:1117
    
    Peter
    you have a short memory ,who was the first team to beat you since feb
    91 in the league ???????????? 3-1 if my memory serves me well..
    
    I take it you are throwing  the gauntlet down for october !!!
    I accept and will travel to that shit@@2 in london where i nearly
    fell asleep last year at the leed,s match.
    
    Get your arsenal gang together ,more champagne on the tube etc ...
    and make it a date...
    
    I,m sure noel will go too.
    
    Liam
    
    p.s.Paul maybe you could get up to london for this one .....
35.360BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPPaul Watterson - VMS smokersFri Jul 24 1992 21:355
>>    p.s.Paul maybe you could get up to london for this one .....
    
    Sounds like a good idea. What way will you go - ferry to Liverpool ?
    
    Paul
35.361There's no ferry to Liverpool any moreSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Fri Jul 24 1992 21:578
    Paul,
    
    No, it's nearly as cheap to fly now. The only problem, which has just
    struck me, is that sans the North Bank it may be difficult for those
    without season tickets, bonds or registration scheme cards (i.e.
    Evertonians) to get in.
    Still, Noel has a friend in the box office who may be able to do
    something for us. Can you give her a call Noel and check it out?
35.362Luton town eh ....BLAHHHH..SIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 24 1992 22:2217
35.363BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPPaul Watterson - VMS smokersMon Jul 27 1992 13:3226
35.364hmmmBLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPPaul Watterson - VMS smokersMon Aug 03 1992 13:478
    
    Everton march on with another superb victory over class opposition...
    
    Woking  1-4   Everton
    Senior        Beardsley, Ward
                  Warzycha, Ebbrell
    
    Paul
35.365SHAWB1::WATTERSONPWed Aug 05 1992 13:0711
    
    
    League of Ireland  0-1   Everton
                             Unsworth
    
    No more details.
    
    Cottee has picked up a knee injury and will be out for at least six
    weeks.
    
    paul
35.366New StarFUTURS::FLETCHERWed Aug 05 1992 13:1610
    Paul
    
    Who is Unsworth?
    
    Have you got a season ticket. My old man has got one again - every year
    he says its his last season - then he gos and buys one again.
    
    What do you rate our chances are? I reckon about nil.
    
    Nige
35.367Everton in Belfast not DublinGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Wed Aug 05 1992 14:445
    
    Re .365, Paul it was the Irish League (Northern Ireland).  The League
    of Ireland is the league of the Republic of Ireland.
    
    Gary.
35.368SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPPaul Watterson - VMS smokersWed Aug 05 1992 14:5518
        
    Re .367
    
    Thanks Gary, I only heard it briefly on the radio this morning.
    You're not unleashing my command procedure again are you.....
    
    Nigel,
    
    Unsworth is a young forward, he played in a couple of games at the end
    of last season and scored at Tottenham - don't know much more about
    him. I must admit, I haven't got a season ticket - I work every fourth
    Saturday so I'll probably miss too many games to justify it.... Things
    are not looking good for the new season, other than Horne, there's no
    new signings so it'll probably be the same players as last year - with
    Keown out for a while yet, I can see them conceeding lots of goals,
    lets hope they can score a few more this time.
        
    Paul
35.369SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPPaul Watterson - VMS smokersThu Aug 06 1992 20:525
    
    Anyone know if Duncan Ferguson (Dundee or Dundee Utd I Think) 
    is any good ?
    
    Paul
35.370Why do you askFUTURS::FLETCHERThu Aug 06 1992 21:247
    Paul
    
    Re:-1
    
    Why. Is he somebody else Everton are after??
    
    Nigel
35.371He's tallAIMTEC::WICKS_ADEC Mail Works for ME sometimesThu Aug 06 1992 21:3316
    Paul,
    
    Saw him play for Scotland against the U.S in Denver. He reminded me
    of Niall Quinn and IAn Ormonroyd you know a bit like Bambi can't
    stand up for long or play the ball on the ground.
    
    Of course he was playing alongside Brian Mclair...
    
    If Everton buy him he'll be about 2 foot taller than the rest of the
    team.
    
    Must be going for the long ball game
                   
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
35.372SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPI think therefore I'm thmellyFri Aug 07 1992 13:099
    Cheers Andrew,
    
    Nige, he's been mentioned a couple of times now  - Kendall has said he
    wants to sign a new forward because of Cottee's injury. - The fact that
    he tried to sign Dublin yesterday shows he's serious. Dahlin (The Swede
    with the suntan) was also mentioned yesterday, he plays for Borrussia
    Monchengladback and they're at Goodison on Saturday.
    
    Paul
35.373News.......BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSHow do you set a personal nameMon Aug 10 1992 16:4421
Firstly, Hello again (some of you may remember my brief appearence last year).

Saturday 8th August 1991

	Everton   1	 Borrussia Monchengladback(or however you spell it) 0
	   Beardsley.

The game hardly merits a report, as it was so useless.  Att. about 9000 ish.
Only real incident was a well worked corner which lead to the goal.
Dahlin (who Kendall has been linked with) was quiet, but he is quick and not all 
that small but I don't really think he is the answer to our problems.
Played in our very smart new "pink" kit as a bit of a gimmick.

Transfer news....

I belive the papers have been full of speculation the Kendall is trying to buy
Mark Hughes form Man U. for about 2mill.(Don't know where the money is coming
from).  I don't really know wheather I should be pleased or angry!


Stu.
35.374More newsBLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Wed Aug 12 1992 17:1516
Last night.....

	Tranmere Rovers	  1	Everton   1
	   Aldo???		  Barlow

From the report on the radio it sounded like we should have been well beaten. 
Nice to see Barlow scoring in the first team, although he scored loads in the pre-
season games last season, shame he carn't find the net in competitive matches.
Barry Horne played (he has been injured for a while), and I think Ian Snodin 
might of played as well, after picking up a back injury a few weeks ago.Hopefully 
he will be fit for the start of the season, especially now Keown is injured.

Anyone know any transfer news???


Stu.
35.375Heee-HawwwPANIC::ANDERSONBye Bye 'PiesFri Aug 14 1992 14:4213
35.376Here we go......BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Fri Aug 14 1992 21:3412
Another season about to start......I carn't wait!

Lets just hope that our two new signings (asumming Rideout has signed) turn out 
like most of Kendall's 'strange' signings (remember Ablett) i.e quite good.

Anyway I'm going tomorrow so a report will follow on Monday.



Regards

Stu
35.377SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPI think therefore I'm thmellySat Aug 15 1992 13:3634
35.378MOVE OVER RUSSELL THINGY ...SIOG::DAWSONSat Aug 15 1992 14:5317
35.379SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPI think therefore I'm thmellySat Aug 15 1992 19:528
    
    Half-time
    
    Everton    1-1   Sheff Wed
    
    Wednesday are on top - Pearson scored after 15 minutes when Southall
    made a mess of a cross. Horne equalised with a screamer right on
    half-time. Waddle limped off after just 38 minutes.
35.380SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPI think therefore I'm thmellySat Aug 15 1992 20:5312
                                   
    Final score
    
    Everton   1-1   Sheff Wed
    
    A much better second half for Everton, as usual they made loads of
    chances, but couldn't get the winner. 
    
    Full report from Stu on Monday.
    
    Paul
    
35.381BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Mon Aug 17 1992 17:1225
	Everton 1	Sheff. Wed. 1		Att. 27,000ish
	
	Horne		Pearson

  A strange sort of game, with as usual Everton dominating long periods of play 
and having very little to show for it.  The first half was quiet with Weds. having
one clear cut chance when Hinchcliffe cleared off the line.  Their goal was a 
gift from Nev, as he came out for a corner it when striaght between his hands and
dropped at the Wednesday player's feet.  Everton pressed a bit and about a minute
before half time a poor defensive header dropped to Horne on the edge of the
area and he scored with a rising shot.  Up till then Horne had been very quiet 
but in the second half he came more into the game until he picked up a knock.
Our other new player, Rideout really was useless, his first touch was very poor
and the few chances that cames to him he made it very easy for the keeper.  I
suppose you could put it down to being in a team of complete strangers, but who
knows.  Anyway looking on the bright side, he can only get better.
  Ebbrell had a really good game, as did Jackson, Hinchcliffe and Begrie plus Bob 
when he came on as sub.  Beardsley was quiet and guilty of missing a great chance,
when he tried to walk it into the net instead of shooting.
  Not a wonderful performance which inspires me for the up comming season, and
I am still to see the wisdom of the summer signings.  What we really need is a 
goal scorer, not someone like Rideout.  We didn't have a problem creating chances
on the whole last season, it was just nobody could put them away.

Stu
35.382The Guy Is A Donkey !!PANIC::ANDERSONBye Bye 'PiesMon Aug 17 1992 18:5612
    
Re : <<< Note 35.381 by BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMS "Just call me Doogie....." >>>
     
     "........Rideout really was useless, his first touch was very poor
     and the few chances that cames to him he made it very easy for the keeper.  
     I suppose you could put it down to being in a team of complete strangers,
     but who knows.  Anyway looking on the bright side, he can only get
     better."
    
    Don't bank on it ;-)
    
    Rob
35.383BACK ON THE AIRWAYS ....SIOG::DAWSONMon Aug 17 1992 21:1512
    
    Thanks for the report Stu ...looking on the bright side ,When was the
    last time we got a point from the first game of the season ??
    At least we are ahead of the mancs ,liverpool and arsenal....
    Man Utd on wednesday ..should be a stroll 8-)8-)
    
    No sign of Kendall playing Unsworth or Barlow ??? I know they featured
    in some pre-season games..
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.384Cottee was a hero thenFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue Aug 18 1992 17:567
    
>    Thanks for the report Stu ...looking on the bright side ,When was the
>   last time we got a point from the first game of the season ??

Well, we Newcastle fans certainly remember!!

grahame
35.385Pat awayFUTURS::FLETCHERWed Aug 19 1992 14:2212
    Everton have agreed a 400,000 fee for Pat Nevin with Tranmere. he has
    still to agree personal terms.
    
    Quote from Matthew Jackson in todays Telegraph :
    
    "I'm certain that we will be a major force this season , because we
    showed certain flashes of it last year , but just couldnt find the
    right consistency"
    
    I'll have a pint of what hes been drinking.
    
    Nigel
35.386Telegram for MR B LONG .....SIOG::DAWSONThu Aug 20 1992 13:1010
    
    Man utd 0 Everton  3  (beardsley,warzyca,johnston)
    
    A lot of people are suprised ,I,m not ....................
    
    
    nough said
    
    
    Liam
35.387Fergie's boobs on showSHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThu Aug 20 1992 14:0741
    
    Man Utd 0-3 Everton   Att 31,000ish
    
    What a brilliant result, I listened to the whole game on Radio City and
    Everton were well worth the win. Hopefully this win will give them the
    confidence to carry on playing good football. Southall and the defence
    were outstanding, especially Ablett, Watson and Harper. The Mancs had a
    lot of the ball in the first half, but never sounded like they'd score.
    
    Beardsley put Everton ahead on the stroke of half-time, when Waryzcha
    found him free in the Man Utd half. In the second half, the Mancs tried
    to get back into it, but Everton broke again in the 80th minute and
    Waryzcha brilliantly turned the defence inside out before hammering in
    the second. The last 10 minutes were superb, Everton played keep ball
    and took the p*ss out of last season's title favourites - Johnstone
    game on as sub and scored the third in the last minute after a blunder
    by Schmeichel.
    
    It's too early to say whether the result signals a change in Everton's
    fortunes, or if their just the first of many teams to have an easy
    victory at Old Trafford this season.
    
    Everton's team
    
    		Southall
    
    Harper			Hinchliffe
    
    		Watson Ablett
    
    Warzycha	Horne Ebbrell	Ward
    
    	Rideout		Beardsley
    
    Subs:
    
    Beagrie (on for Rideout half-time)
    Johnstone (on for Warzycha 81 mins)
    
    
    Paul
35.388Norwich Next ,Watch out for BEARDO....SIOG::DAWSONFri Aug 21 1992 19:5919
    
    Norwich tomorrow at Carrow rd ...I was at this one last year and it
    was typical end of season stuff.Everton were coasting but lost the
    game 4-3 in the end .There was nothing in it and it showed ...
    It should be different tomorrow and ,if Beardsley scores another
    goal like he did that day (Goal of the season IMHO) then it should 
    be a great match.
    Nice friendly ground is Carrow rd ,lets hope I think so at 4.45 on
    saturday.
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    I,m off to Croke Park to watch "the DUBS" beat the "Culchies "on sunday
    Hopefully it will be a good weekend.
    
    
35.389Nevin Off To Tranmere .....Official.SIOG::DAWSONFri Aug 21 1992 20:0720
35.390Hey.....Were're near the top.BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Mon Aug 24 1992 13:2626
	Everton   1 - 1    Norwich
	
	  Beardsley	    Fox

  Not a bad result I suppose, I would have settled for a point before the game
but after listening to the game on the radio and reading the newspapers we should 
have won this one.  By all accounts Beardsley was brilliant, along with Bob, who 
seems to be a different player this season.
  In the first half we had some good chances and seemed on top.  This continued 
in the second half and from a Hincliffe free kick Beardsley scored.  Even when 
Norwich equallised we didn't seem in danger of losing.  I suppose the main thing
at the moment is to be gaining points, which is something we don't normally do at
the start of the season.
   

   Aston Villa on Tuesday, and the way they are playing at the moment I will be 
very disapointed if we don't get three points.  I don't know if any of you have 
seen the goals from mid week, Bob's goal is a classic, and Mo's is so funny....


   Also I would just like to say I was also sad see Pat go, in my view he was 
never given a really chance in the first team under Kendall.  I'm sure he will do 
well for Tranmere.

Regards,
Stu.
35.391Another two points thrown away ????SIOG::DAWSONTue Aug 25 1992 02:2417
    
    re-1 
    I have to agree ..(well i do ) 
    Everton should have sown this game up ,I wonder are we starting to
    have the same problems as last year (proably too early to tell)but
    I listened to the second-half on radio merseyside and Rideout missed 
    a couple of half-chances.
    Have you seen him or Horne live ?? do they look any good ???
    Good to see polish bob doing the business though.
    
    Still roll on tuesday night Villa at Goodison .We still owe them
    from two/three years ago (my memory fades at shock/horror events).
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.392Everton vs Aston Villa - what was the score?STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Aug 26 1992 12:156
    
    Score please. Swedish papers missed this one.
    
    thanks,
    
    	Stefan
35.3931-0YUPPY::KENTGGary Kent @HHLWed Aug 26 1992 12:456
    
    Everton 1  Villa 0 
    
    Mo Johnstone  with a couple of minutes to play.
    
    
35.394So far so good !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Aug 26 1992 13:5412
    
    Another good win under our belts !
    
    Does anyone have a match report. It would be good to know how well we
    played and if the excellent form shown so far has been maintained.
    Also, what was the team and is there any news on the Jackson / Keown
    injury front.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ian
    
35.395Shocker At GoodisonBLKPUD::HUGHESSWed Aug 26 1992 14:1267
	Everton 1 	Aston Villa  0

	Johnston			Att 22372


What a load of rubbish, Everton the team only last weekend described as a 
passing team could not string two passes together and I mean two. Aston Villa
it has to be said were no better. 
Considering there must have been at least 25 million pounds of so called talent
on view the whole night was a great letdown rescued for two minutes when Everton
strung 4 passes together to score a great goal unworthy of the occasion.
I'll describe the goal because absolutely nothing happened for the previous 88 
minutes. Everton under pressure for the previous 5 minutes broke from defence
with a cavalier charge by Ablett who raced from his box to the halfway line and
gave the ball to beardsley, while Ablett went for the return beardsley carried 
the ball 20 yards and just when everyone thought he would give it back to ablett
he played the ball to Johnston who had stole half a yard from his marker and
from just outside the box sidefooted a low well placed shot of considerable 
power (or so it seemed from the paddock) past Spink. The ground erupted all 
22 thousand (oh yes EFC!! more like 30) and we all went home alot happier
especially with Ipswich scoring a similar late goal.

Players who came out of the game with credit


Everton

Beardsley........ Outstanding, head and shoulders above the rest.
Ablett........... Impressed
Hinchcliffe...... Defensively superb, lacked confidence to come forward.
Watson........... Mr Consistent
Harper........... Mr reliable
Ebbrell.......... Solid 


Players who didn't

Rideout.......... Subbed after 55 minutes not soone enough. what a waste of $
Ward............. Crap why wasn't he subbed Kendall?
Horne............ No-one can tell me he's a better player than Richardson


Villa players with credit
Richardson....... holds the ball so well and brings wingers into the game
Froggett(sp!).... young player impressed me rides tackles well.
Mcgrath.......... never put a foot wrong, Another piece of good business by 
		  Fergie along with Robbins.

Villa players that stunk

Atkinson......... Overrated or what!
Houghton......... Was he playing?


Can I also say that it was an absolute pleasure being at a superb ground like
Goodison Park being surrounded by moronic EVERTON supporters shouting "break
his legs" and "kill that Nig***" at opposing players as well shouting obscene
terms of endearment at their own players. A truely forgettable evening made
worse by the qualities of Evertonions some of us would like to be changed.
It doesn't happen at other grounds the times I've been to City and United and
other North West teams and I think the club should take some positive steps to 
eradicate it or do they want to?? 

    Simon Hughes (still an Evertonian despite the above)
    
    
35.396Great news. Thanks :-)STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Aug 26 1992 14:221
    
35.397Storming up the league........BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Wed Aug 26 1992 14:2517
	It wasn't a bad game, but Everton weren't at their best and Villa had 
some good chances in the first half.  Early in the second half Kendall replaced
Rideout with Begrie and we played far better.  The defence played very well,
especially Hinchliffe who was outstanding, in defence and attack.  The game
looked to be heading for a draw until a *brilliant* goal on the break away from
Johnson who played well all night.  When you start to win games you shouldn't, 
especially against half decent oposition then things look hopeful for a better 
season than last.  But at the end when the Street was singing (yes actually a song 
from the Street end!!!!) "were're goin' win tyhe league" I have to disagree, but
we live in hope.....


Regards,
Stu.

P.S.Simon wishes to add his report,"the pitch was brilliant but a shame about the
    atmosphere."
35.398racismFORTY2::FOWLERMWed Aug 26 1992 15:2317
re:395

Your comments about racist abuse are very worrying. Everton have something of a
reputation for this sort of stuff. 
However, I read a report on Vogon news, about a week ago, which claimed that 
Kendall was looking at a couple of young South African players. Does anyone know
if this has got any further?
Have Everton ever had a black player in the first team? I can't think of one off 
hand, but then I don't really follow them. (Go Doncaster!:-))
Leeds had a similar problem with their fans, and they did something about it.
The Everton management, on the other hand, don't appear to care. Perhaps the FA
should take the initiative, and force Everton, and any other teams with these 
kind of problems, to address the situation. 
You are not allowed to take alcohol into grounds, but attitudes like these are
far more likely to turn families away, in my opinion.

Mike
35.399YUPPY::PANESWhither Heidi???Wed Aug 26 1992 16:5310
                     <<< Note 35.398 by FORTY2::FOWLERM >>>
                                  -< racism >-

>However, I read a report on Vogon news, about a week ago, which claimed that 
>Kendall was looking at a couple of young South African players. Does anyone know

 Are they members of the Broederbond (sp)? I think we should be told.

 Stuart 
   
35.400Re RacismBLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Wed Aug 26 1992 17:0725
re:398

Yes Simon's comments dismayed me as well.  In answer to your comments, firstly 
Everton have had a black player in the 70s, his name escapes me at the moment
although I think his first name might have been Rodger.  Also Everton did attempt
to do something about the problem about two years ago, when the chanting got
quiet loud.  I don't know what the scheme actually involved but i was ran through
the papers and I think David Rocastle got invloved.  After this, the introduction 
cameras, and the threat to throw people out who were seen or heard to be chanting 
this cr*p the problem seemed on the face of it to go away (I mean I have been to 
every home game for quiet a few seasons and I couldn't hear anything). But I'm 
afraid you carn't change attitudes, it just makes me sad that there are such small 
minded people around who carn't see anything wrong with their racist attitudes. 


Interesting what you say about young Soth Africans, also we did have a Nigerian on
trial at the end of last season he played in a few friendlies, and what I saw of 
him he looked very good.  I would just like to say I think that over recent years
something did go on about signing (or the lack of) black players at the club.
Not wishing to say anything to detrimental about Philip Cater(Ex chairman) but I
think we all know his politics!!!!!

Regards,
Stu.
(Sorry about the spelling mistakes)
35.401CLIFF MARSHALL (I THINK !!!!)SIOG::DAWSONWed Aug 26 1992 21:3533
    
    RE .398   
       Everton did have a bad reputation a few years back and they
    installed camera,s in the ground with notes in the match programme
    etc saying this abuse would not be tolerated and anyone caught would
    be ejected from the ground and charged with racial abuse etc ..
    I thought it had gone away (well almost away ,you,ll always get the 
    few).It is an embarresment for the club and most of the fans ,including
    me .
    The coloured player that played for Everton was Cliff Marshall (i
    think) but he only played 11/12 full games for the blues in the 70,s
    (again  i think)I,m sure Paul will correct me when he comes back .
    
    This must have a detrimental effect when Kendall is chasing a non-white
    i.e Who wants to risk being the next non-white to play for Everton and
    who ever it will be will be under a lot of extra pressure to perform.
    Who knows maybe thats why Mark "everton" Walters never signed for us.
    Everton are not the only club that non-white players get slagged off
    I remember John Barnes running the Gauntlet when he joined Liverpool
    first .
    Anyway it saddens me ,the amount of abuse the Arsenal players got 
    two years ago ,at goodison made me mad with chants of "trigger trigger
    shoot the nig@@@" etc 
    RE -1 Whats this about Philip Carters politics ?????????????
    
    Anyway good result last night ,just what we needed to make a serious 
    challenge ,three points when we could easily have only got one.
    (champion stuff that eh)
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.402This is what happens after 8 hours sleepYUPPY::PANESWhither Heidi???Thu Aug 27 1992 12:5416
                       <<< Note 35.401 by SIOG::DAWSON >>>
                       -< CLIFF MARSHALL (I THINK !!!!) >-

    
>    two years ago ,at goodison made me mad with chants of "trigger trigger
 
     Obviously a reference to Tony Adams.

>   shoot the nig@@@" etc 
 
     Winterburn, perchance?
   

    Playfully yours,

    Stuart:L.G.C
35.403Still moreBLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Thu Aug 27 1992 16:5819
re 401.

	Yes Cliff Marshall, rings a bell, although it was a few years before my
time I suppose.
	About Carter's politics, it is rumoured that he has quite extreme right
wing views, I don't know weather this story was put about by newspapers in a
attempt to explain the lack of black players at Everton.  It carn't be Kendall
as he did have black players at City and he has tried to buy black players.

	Also it is expected that Everton will today complete the signing of the
Yugoslav international Pedrag "Strange second name that is impossible to say, 
neaver mind spell", otherwise known as Prekie.  I have no idea of his age, all
I know is that he plays on the left of midfield, has been playing in America,
speaks perfect English, and is costing vertually nothing as the American league
has recently folded.  He has played on the pre-season tour and been training with
the first team this week while the club were waiting for clearance to play him.

Regards,
Stu.
35.404Black fizzy stuff !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Aug 27 1992 17:1911
    
    Does anyone know who we've drawn in the ....... League Cup ?
    (I just can't bring myself to call it the ... you know what .. cup.)
    
    Also, it's good news about the Yugoslav player signing, all being well,
    I've heard he's really skillful and a good distributer of the ball.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ian
    
35.405Quick response eh?BLKPUD::CUNNINGHAMSJust call me Doogie.....Thu Aug 27 1992 17:269
	I knew there was something I forgot to put in my last note.  We've drawn 
Rotherham, with the first leg away.  Does anyone know what division they are in
these days?

	From what you say about this Yugoslav, it sounds as if he could be a 
useful buy.

Regards,
Stu 
35.406Which division ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Aug 27 1992 17:5213
    
    Rotheram are now in Division 2 (that's Division 3 in old money) and not
    doing to badly either. They've currently played 2, won 1 and drawn 1 as
    at August 24th, but they may have played again this week.
    
    Games against this sort of opposition make me nervous. Still we are due
    a good cup run and as long as we can at least draw away, then we should
    be O.K. in the return leg at Goodison.
    
    Regards
    
    Ian
    
35.407Thats not a bruise,now this is a bruise ..wallopSIOG::DAWSONFri Aug 28 1992 13:0812
    
    Tidbit  : Big Norm is rumoured to have got a job with Preston
              as a physio ...
    
    The Wombles at Goodison tomorrow ,and on current form we should get
    the three points 
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.408Name the day ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Aug 28 1992 13:4417
    
    Being tucked away here in sunny (well pretty gloomy at the moment),
    Evry, I'm not going to get the chance to follow 'the lads' around the
    country as much as I would like.
    
    Therefore, as I'm going to have to plan my match trips well in advance
    it would be great to have our complete fixture list for 92/93. Even the
    games up to christmas would be a big help.
    
    Merci beaucoup
    
    Ian
    
    P.S.  Best of luck to the blues for the match against the 'Wims'. It's
          bound to be a niggly affair but we should win.
    
    
35.409Wimbledding Spoilers !!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONMon Aug 31 1992 20:3813
    
    Any Match report or was it that bad !!!!!!
    
    From what i read in the papers Everton were all over Wimbledon but
    failed to score ,Polish Bob hit the bar but Wimbleddin spoilt the match
    Kinnear said he doens,t care about their style of play once they take a
    few points of the" big Boys "
    
    
    No match mid-week (although we are down to play blackburn) ???
    
    Cheers
    Liam
35.410Bring on the Spurs .....SIOG::DAWSONThu Sep 03 1992 22:3410
    
    Well Spurs on saturday ,three points here and we will be close to the
    top of the league .If only we can hold on until Keown is back..
    Any news on Snodin ??? I thought he played in some pre-season 
    friendlies.. did he get injured again ????
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.411Disappointed !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Sep 07 1992 12:008
    
    Tottenham H .... 2    Everton .... 1
                          (Beardsley)
    
    ... and we were a goal up at one stage. What went wrong !?! ...
    
    Ian.
    
35.412The Squanderers ........Still nearly unbeaten..SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 07 1992 12:4736
    
    Everton squandered this match....
    We were well in control and it seemed only a matter of how many goals
    we would win by ,despite a great performance from the spurs keeper
    and a not-so-great performance from the Everton forwards.
    (not so super) Mo missed a couple of one-on-one,s with only the keeper
    to beat.(where are all the goals he used to score with celtic and
    rangers ???)
    Everton ran spurs ragged in the first half but everton only had the 
    one goal lead which proved not enough  in the final 10 minutes.
    Beardsley played brilliantly and was rewarded with a individual goal
    running from his own half(well nearly) and beating the keeper with
    a dainty little chip.Johnson missed a few chances and when Barlow
    came on as sub he ,altough played very well ,missed a few as well.
    Spurs battled hard to come back into the game ,especially Durie and
    sheringham (both who looked dangerous every time they got the ball)
    and got two late goals (the winner was in the 92 min) to stop 
    Everton,s unbeaten run.
    With out doubt it was Everton,s suicidle tendensies(remeber last year )
    that lost this and not spurs winning it.
    
    I was disgusted and furious at the way we threw this away and hope this
    isint a sign of things to come...
    
    Good points  :Beardsley  brilliant
                  Barlow     looks bright and sharp
                  Watson     good game but we need Keown back soon
    
    bad points  : Everything else..
                  We badly need a striker ( howard get on to tranmere and
                  get TGA to goodison now)
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.413SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceWed Sep 09 1992 15:1323
    
    Well I'm back at last !! 
    
    - Never travel by Istanbul Airlines, unless you've got a few days to
    spare !!!!
    
    I heard the report of the Wimbledon game on BBC world service, it
    sounded awful,  I saw the Tottenham game liveish on Turkish telly. It
    was just like last season, Everton well on top, making chances, but not
    taking any, then out of nothing, Tottenham equalise, it gives them new
    heart and they go on to score a very very late winner.
    
    Re a few back You're right Liam, Cliff Marshall was the black player
    that played for Everton during the mid 70s, I actually saw him playing
    in about 1975, he probably only played about 5 or 6 first team games
    before he was sold to Southport.
    
    Does anyone know why the Blackburn game was off last week ?
    
    Paul
    
    
    PS - Did I say Istanbul airlines was cr*p ?
35.414Bunch of crocks !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Sep 10 1992 14:3911
    
    Does anyone have any news on the current Everton injury list ?
    
    So far as I know Matthew Jackson, Martin Keown and Tony Cottee are all
    out injured. Are any/all of them likely to be back for the Man U game
    at Goodison, or at least in the near future.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ian
    
35.415SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceFri Sep 11 1992 13:129
    
    Ian,
    
    current injuries are Keown, Cottee, Snodin - all still out for a while
    yet (I think), short term injuries are Ebbrell (he'll probably miss
    tomorrow's game) and Preki. I don't think Jackson's injured, he was
    dropped a couple of weeks ago.
    
    Paul
35.416DO the Double on the mancs Tomorrow ....SIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 11 1992 15:469
    
    Fingers crossed that we stuff the mancs tomorrow and that
    I do the double on the in-laws.....
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.417Mine's a double ... Please !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Sep 11 1992 16:4621
    
    Thanks for the info Paul,
    
    I'm amazed that Matthew Jackson has been dropped, the last I heard
    (and saw, although that was a little while ago) was that he was playing
    really well, even rivaling Rob Jones for the England right back spot.
    Still, having said that I've been hearing good reports about
    Hinchcliffe and Harper at the back (pity they couldn't keep Tottenham out
    last week though), so maybe Jackson can't win his place back.
    
    I know Martin Keown picked up an injury during the European
    Championships and had to have an operation (I think ?). Is it a serious
    injury (fracture etc) ? We could really do with him back at the moment.
    
    Good luck to the BLUES tomorrow. We could notch our first double of the
    season ( and we'll only have played 7 games !).
    
    Regards
    
    Ian
    
35.418SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceFri Sep 11 1992 17:5613
    
    Ian,
    
    Jackson played for (and captained) and got sent off for the England
    U-21s at the end of last season. He's like quite a few players at
    Goodison at the moment, very short of confidence. Kendall brought
    Harper and Hinchliffe in at Old Trafford and they've both played well
    since then. I imagine that Ward and Waryzcha could be 'rested' over the
    next couple of weeks.
    
    I dunno about Keown, I'll see what I can find out.
    
    Paul
35.419Telegram for Mr L. DawsonESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Mon Sep 14 1992 14:1317
35.420And The Cock Crowed Three Times ....SIOG::DAWSONTue Sep 15 1992 00:4014
    
    Return to sender  address unknown ..............
    
    
    I,m not taking any telegram today .
    
    
    We still beat ye 3-2 on aggregate 8-)8-)
    
    
    nough said 
    
    
    Liam
35.421Go for a 0-0 drawFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Sep 15 1992 13:4219
    Everton play Blackburn tonight , at Blackburn.
    
    First match King Kenny has played against Everton since the epic 4-4
    cup match.
    
    On present form we'll do well to score.
    
    Seems like a carbon copy of last season , a couple of good results at
    the start (The Arse at home) then lots of reports about how well we are
    playing , but without getting the ball in the net. Rideout might be back
    tonight.
    
    
    To celebrate 100 years at Goodison , there is a commemorative book
    called something like "100 years at Goodison". Good stuff with match
    reports etc from the last century. 
    
    
    Nigel
35.422ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Tue Sep 15 1992 15:571
Kenny's Crew are due a beating, don't be suprised if it happens tonight.
35.423SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceTue Sep 15 1992 16:5913
35.424FUTURS::FLETCHERTue Sep 15 1992 17:4617
    Paul
    
    Saturdays result was not as depressing as the week before , listened on
    the radio and at 1/2 they were saying that Spurs where poor and that we
    should be 2 or 3 up. Come the second half and Spurs get back into it ,
    I could see it coming , sit back and try to hold on. Pathetic. Did you
    see the miss by Johnston , right through with only the keeper to beat ,
    he didnt even hit the target (does he ever). The keeper had a good game
    , but with the chances we made , Spurs shouldnt have been in it.
    
    We have got to get a striker who can score goals.
    
    I will be up in a week or so , perhaps we can meet for a beer or 2.
    
    Hoping for a surprise tonight.
    
    Nigel
35.425SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceTue Sep 15 1992 18:1618
    
    Nigel,
    
    the Tottenham game was three points thrown away, but the Manc game
    sounded as if Everton were well beaten, they had them on the ropes for
    15 minutes after halftime, but after the usual three or four misses
    the heads dropped.
    
    I don't like slagging players off, but Johnston's been a huge
    disappointment - his close control is poor and his confidence is low.
    I'd like to see how Cottee and Rideout link up together. There's
    someone called (I think) Michael MacDonald - ex-Newcastle on trial from
    Dundee at the moment - he's probably another 3" midget. 
    
    A beer sounds like a good idea - you'll be pleased to know they're
    still digging up Ormskirk.......
        
    Paul
35.426Watty not at Blackburn he's at SouthportEBYGUM::HUGHESSTue Sep 15 1992 19:4320
    Everton to win tonight. Remember you heard it here first here.
    Moran et al are tailor made for Everton's nippy forwards and I reckon
    Everton's defence will be too good for Shearer and Newall. Dropsy Mimms
    is always worth a clanger.
    
    I think the premier league is so up and down and the moment will see
    another strange result tonight (an Everton win). What I'm trying to say
    is that its sooo EVEN.
    
    I'll be in the vicinity but decided on the top of the table clash
    Bolton v West Brom as I'm trying to visit all the grounds in the North
    West. Watty has expressed an interest in doing this also but he was put
    off by the Hot Dogs at Tranmere Rovers. He claims he is working tonight
    but I know that Southport are at Home to Gainsborough Trinity and he's 
    going to start off a Southport Note in the morning.
    
    
    Everton to win 1-0
    
    Simon
35.427What a choiceFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Sep 15 1992 20:167
    Paul
    
    Looking at the fixtures , it looks like Coventry on 17th Oct , the only
    game between now and the 17th is the FE's on Sat. The FE's or Coventry
    , what a choice.
    
    Nigel
35.428SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceTue Sep 15 1992 20:2212
    
    Nigel,
    
    go for the Coventry game - too much blood and guts at the FE games...
    but seriously, I'm working this Saturday, so the 17th Oct would be
    better.
    
    Paul
    
    (They might even have finished the roadworks in Ormskirk by then)
    
    
35.429SportsflashESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Wed Sep 16 1992 00:074
Latest

Blackburn  1  Everton  0
Shearer 12'
35.430Two Tony Cottee'sMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Sep 16 1992 12:0541
    
    Blackburn Rovers ... 2    Everton ... 3
    Shearer 2                 Cottee 2
                              Ebbrel
    
    
    Now I've actually got a radio over here I was able to listen to the
    commentary on Radio 5, and what a game it turned out to be.
    It sounded quite close but very exciting with play switching from end
    to end. Both teams seemed to play well but at last Everton have been
    able to turn a good performance into a winning result, something I
    would not have put money on before the game.
    
    Things didn't start to well though with Mark Ward being carried off in
    the 10th minute, with what is now known to be a broken leg/ankle, and
    Shearer scoring from a penalty 2 minutes later to put Blackburn 1 up.
    However, Everton kept playing good passing football and were rewarded
    10 minutes later when Tony Cottee, playing his first game after
    injury, equalised. Everton then took the lead just before half time
    when John Ebbrell scored his first goal of the season from close range.
    
    With Everton 2-1 up at half time things looked pretty good. Blackburn
    pressed hard in the second half but Everton always seemed able to catch
    them on the break. Then with about 12 minutes to go Blackburn equalised
    with Shearers second goal of the night and I could see the Tottenham
    game happening all over again. Still how wrong can you be, Everton, far
    from settling for a draw, continued to go forward and Cottee scored his
    secon of the night 7 minutes before time. That 7 minutes seemed to take
    an eternity but Everton hung on and in the end, according to Alan
    Hanson were good value for their win.
    
    Well if this doesn't give 'the lads' some confidence then nothing will,
    and let's hope that Tony Cottee can continue this sort of form.
    
    Roll on the next game. (BTW who is the next game against ?).
    
    Regards
    
    Ian.
    
     
35.431SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceWed Sep 16 1992 12:5810
    Good report Ian.
    
    Ward's broken his leg so he'll be out for a while - Warzycha replaced
    him and played very well (again), Jackson replaced Rideout at half-time
    who suffered a reoccurance of his shoulder injury. No place in the team
    or on the bench for Johnston or Beagrie.
    
    Saturday's game is Crystal Palace at home.
    
    Paul
35.432Cottee in the Natty new strip .....SIOG::DAWSONThu Sep 17 1992 22:1314
    
    Great Win on tuesday ..Just what we needed.
    Good to see Cottee scoring again maybe this could be his season.
    It,s my first time seeing the new away strip and it,s only beautiful...
    I,ll start saving immediately 8-)8-)
    
    
    The "flying thugs " on saturday in Goodison (maybe we could sign 
    Eubank for the afternoon).
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.433Mid-table Mediocrity !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Sep 21 1992 16:4717
    
    Everton ... 0    Crystal Palace ... 2
    
    I couldn't believe it when I heard the final score. Although the
    reception of Radio 5 was VERY faint and crackly I could just make out
    that Everton were overrun in midfield and eventually lost 2 - 0.
    
    So much for having boosted our confidence with mid-week win over
    Blackburn. Not another season of inconsistency .. Please !.
    
    Does anyone have any further details on the match, team, performance
    etc.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ian.
    
35.434More outFUTURS::FLETCHERMon Sep 21 1992 17:3313
    Beardsley did his hamstring and will be out for ?? weeks.
    
    Wazza was injured against Blackburn and did not play.
    
    Ward broke ?? (part of his leg) and will be out for ?? weeks.
    
    God knows who was playing on sat , but Wazza has been a star of late
    and was badly missed. I think Rideout was playing , but I think he did
    his shoulder again.
    
    I cant see any improvement until some of the injured players are back.
    
    Nigel
35.435Beardsley out .....what next ....SIOG::DAWSONTue Sep 22 1992 12:5423
    
    Beaten by the "thugs " is even worse than been beaten by the mancs .
    Everton as usual created enough chances to at least draw with palace
    but as usual (well the last few season,s anyway )squandered them.
    From the match reports palace could have got another and it was a 
    suprisingly  "clean " game . The injuries are mounting up (i sound
    like a liverpool fan now).The difference is we dont have a big squad
    to cover for these injuries.What will life be like with the next few
    matchs with Beardsley.Johnson has been a big dissappointment imho also
    Rideout.And to think we balked when Kendall nearly signed Mick Harford
    who is now banging in the goals.
    It certainly does look like mid-table mediocrity this season ,hopefully
    we will get a good run in the cup and maybe do a bit of damage to the
    "contenders" for the premier league i.e. beating Blackburn and man u 
    in their own back yard.
    
    Rotherham in the coca cola cup either last night ,tonight or tomorrow
    night.
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam 
35.436Rumbleows OUT ... Coca Coal IN !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Sep 22 1992 16:129
    
    Does anyone know whether Everton are playing Rotheram in the Pop Bottle
    Trophy tonight (Tuesday) or tomorrow (Wednesday) as I would like to
    catch a report, or even some commentary, on Radio 5.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ian
    
35.437MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Tue Sep 22 1992 16:225
    
    Tomorrow.
    
    Del.
    
35.438Preki making his debut tonight......SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 23 1992 12:5916
    
    We play rotherham tonight in rotherham and looking at last nights
    results we had better beware...A lot of giant-killing results
    (well almost )
    Kendall is giving this Preki player a debut tonight with Stuart
    Barlow in the squad.Maybe this game is what Barlow needs to bang
    in a few and build up his confidence.
    hopefully this match will be on Linakers football night or what 
    ever it,s called on radio 5.
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    p.s. Anyone know anything about this Preki Chappie ?????
    
35.439Lay off the thugs bitYUPPY::PATEMANTOCA - Take Our Cocaine AbroadWed Sep 23 1992 13:3017
    Mr Dawson.....
    
    What right have Everton to call Palace thugs? The two clubs have had a
    few wild games, but by far the worst incident was instigated by Keown
    when he elbowed and then stamped on Young putting him out for nearly 4
    months (fortunately over the summer).
    
    Equally, Palace have generally been tough but fair, and have won fair
    play awards for various months. 
    
    As for Saturday - try reading the Independant write up - you were
    played off the park by a superior team, who will now rise up the League
    and leave you in our wake.
    
    yours non-controversially :-)
    
    Paul
35.440SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceWed Sep 23 1992 18:3817
    
    Ian,
        
    Rotherham away is tonight - me and Si Hughes are going (we only go to
    the BIG games) - full report/ post-mortem tomorrow. Dunno what happened
    on Saturday, radio city said Everton were unbelievably bad, but that
    Armstrong sounds like a good player - Everton had first option on him
    when he was at Wrexham, but turned him down. I wonder why.... (calling
    Mr Panes)
    
    Bobby the Pole is away on international duty with Poland so missed
    Saturday's game and tonights - Preki sounded impressive in the
    pre-seasons, but we'll have to see what he's like on a cold and windy
    night at Millmoor. Snodin played for the reserves last week, so he
    could be on his way back.
    
    Paul
35.441Keown was only getting revenge...SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 23 1992 21:1214
    
    RE-3
    MR PATEMAN
    My impression that your team were thugs was formed two years ago 
    in wembley at the zds final.I went there expecting a good game of 
    football ,bringing my brother who does not follow football and will
    probably never go to a game again ,when i couldn,t believe my eyes
    what went on that day.
    I wont go into detail re the match because it brings back nightmares.
    Believe me the fact that we lost had nothing to do this...
    
    Still friends
    
    Liam
35.442Not the match I saw - but we wonYUPPY::PATEMANTOCA - Take Our Cocaine AbroadWed Sep 23 1992 21:3324
    Liam,
    
    I was at the same match and saw nothing of what you saw. Ian Wright and
    Keown had a number of tussles which looked 50-50, while Keown ended up
    going off with a broken nose after being caught (accidentally) when
    jumping for the ball with Thomas - the video supports this theory.
    Thomas did get involved in an early tangle with someone (McCall I think
    - a real shrinking violet!) 
    
    I musy be honest and say that Everton have slipped hugely in my esteem
    after seeing them in the past two seasons. When I was at college in
    'pool I used to always go to Goodison in preference to Anfiedl 'cos I
    preferred their style and the atmosphere. The past two league games at
    Selhurst have showed them to be a very niggly team, and Southall to be
    a total pain in the butt. 
    
    Sorry - but that's my view. The FE's had (from memory) 3 players sent
    off last season - Martyn (professional foul), Young (twice - verbals
    and a stupid elbow) and Thorn at Goodison for what most non-Evertonians
    reckon was a total con by Ward.
    
    Not that severe a record
    
    Paul
35.443It must be a bad dream !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Sep 24 1992 11:5530
    
    Rotherham ... 1    Everton ... 0
    
    
    Mid-table mediocrity !
    
    Coca Coal Cup catastrophes !
    
    What next ?
    
    Farsical F.A. Cup fiascos I suppose.
    
    
    The Radio 5 reporters view was ....
    
       "... the amazing thing about the game was that Everton didn't lose
        by morte goals ..."
    
       "... Neville Southall WAS Evertons defence ..."
    
       "... Everton had their chances, all of which were squandered ..."
        
    
    Is this really the same team I was beginning to feel so optimistic
    about after the win away at Blackburn ONLY a week ago.
    
    Regards
    
    Ian
    
35.444What are 'morte' goals anyway ?MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Sep 24 1992 11:571
    
35.445SIOG::DAWSONThu Sep 24 1992 13:063
    
    
    AH SHIT ..
35.446Don't mention Crystal PalaceSHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceFri Sep 25 1992 13:4251
    
    Rotherham   1-0   Everton    Att 7,700ish
    
    
    Hmmmm - terrible result, but I suppose these games don't seem that bad
    when you're actually there. It was Rotherham's cup final, I haven't
    seen a team as wound up as them for a long time. Jackson was an early
    casualty when a defender went for a ball and nearly cut Jackson in half
    - he's got ligament trouble and will be out for at least a month.
    
    Everton started brightly, but always looked uncomfortable against
    Rotherham's 'Wimbledon-style' long ball game - Harper almost gifted
    them an early lead, but Southall came to his rescue. Rotherham took the
    lead in their second real attack in the eighteenth minute. This gave
    them the confidence to launch into all-out attacking and Everton
    struggled to keep the ball for more than about 20 seconds - Rotherham
    created a good four or five chances, but due to desperate defending by
    Hinchliffe and some superb saves from Southall they couldn't add to the
    score. At the other end, Cottee missed a good chance when he headed
    wide from inside the box.
    
    The second half was a bit better for Everton - I had the impression
    they were happy to let it stay at 1-0, rather than launch everyone into
    attack and risk going further behind. Rotherham still managed to hit
    the bar.
    
    Disappointing result, but a relief to get away with only a 1-0 defeat.
    Preki had a fairly average debut, he looks tricky going forward, but
    won't do much defensively. Southall was magnificent. Watson, Ablett,
    Horne and Ebrell struggled against the long-ball 200 mph game and
    Cottee, Barlow and Beagrie didn't seem to realise they were only
    playing against a second division defence and always wanted to take the
    easy way out. 
    
    			Southall
    
    	Harper				Jackson
		Ablett		Watson
    
    
    	Jackson	Horne		Ebrell 	Preki
    
    		Cottee	Barlow
    
    Subs:
    
    Beagrie (on for Jackson 10th (ish) minute)
    Oldsworth (on for ????? about 80th minute)
    		
    Paul
    
35.447Everton fans don't like bananasSHAWB1::HUGHESSFri Sep 25 1992 14:1958
Paul

I'm afraid I stood next to you but saw a different team

RE. previous note
			Southall

        Harper                          Hinchcliffe
                Ablett          Watson


        Jackson Horne           Ebrell  Preki

                Cottee  Barlow

    Subs:

    Beagrie (on for Jackson 10th (ish) minute)
	but then played left midfield switching Preki to the right.
    Unsworth (on for ????? about 80th minute)

I thought Preki had a good solid debut. Kendall had obviously told the players
to give him as much as the ball as possible and he got it.
Everton started well went a goal down in the Rotheram's first created attack
a boot up the channel for cunningham to scrap for and then promptly settled
for the 1-0 defeat. Not pretty to watch but what achieved what Leeds should have
done a week earlier in Germany.

Good points

Ablett ... Mr consistent, he coped well with the battering rams of rotheram
Hinchcliffe.. very confident, excellent on the ball
Southall... what can I say
Preki...very skilful

Bad points

Beagrie..what a frustrating player for players and supporters alike
	(give him the ball and he's bound to lose it.)
Harper.. no confidence
Ebbrell.. ditto
Horne... Poor looked the same level as Rotheram
Cottee...anonymous
Barlow...missed his chance


The player who most impressed me was Shaun Goater from Rotheram. He caused
our defence problems all night with pacey bursts and good control. I think he's
worth a gamble for someone (not us of course because he' black and we know what 
that means to your chances of a career at Goodison).
I get the impression he'll get crocked in the first five minutes at
Goodison for the Everton cause. 

The away chants of the crowd hadn't changed since the Villa game, alot quieter
but included the word "bananas."


Simon
35.448SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceFri Sep 25 1992 14:317
    
    Si,
    
    you miss heard about bananas - it was someone enquiring if they sold
    them at half-time, along with the meat-pies and crisps............
    
    Paul
35.449ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Fri Sep 25 1992 14:502
Good points
Ablett ... Mr consistent :-) :-)
35.450Bananas are full of carbohydrateSHAWB1::HUGHESSFri Sep 25 1992 14:539
    yeah Paul Banana Fritter from the chippy is a favourite with Everton
    fans on away days!
    
    The man who kept on mentioning bananas was complaining that he missed
    the days when his view was obscured by a blown up banana.
    
    Yours
    
    Mr Consistent :-)
35.451Everton Coac-cloa cup winnersSHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPThere are NO fish under the iceFri Sep 25 1992 15:0310
   <<< Note 35.449 by ESSB::BLONG "Rumbleows & Euro Super Cup Winners 92" >>>

Good points
Ablett ... Mr consistent :-) :-)
    
    Biarn,
    
    we all clubbed together and got you a programme...
    
    Pual
35.452Pukka Pies Pukka valueSHAWB1::HUGHESSFri Sep 25 1992 15:2019
    for all you yorkshire people out there I'm told this is a yorkshire
    delicacy. Read this advert
    
    	Eric Twigg Foods for PUKKA PIES
        Eric Twigg Foods for PUKKA PIES
        Eric Twigg Foods for PUKKA PIES
        
    "Hot" PUKKA PIES on sale at Millmoor and take aways all over Yorkshire
    distributed by Eric Twigg Foods
    
    Just a snippet from the Millmoor programme for ESSB::BLONG
    
    Everton supporters do buy programmes. Unfortunately Rotheram's centre
    midfield and left back had been training on the Pukka pies or had a few
    complimentaries stuffed up his jersey.
    
    Smino
    
    
35.453ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Fri Sep 25 1992 15:478
35.454Smacked by the "Sheep-shaggers" 8-)8-)SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 28 1992 11:5223
    
    Leeds  2 Everton 0
    
    I expected something like this before the game (we only beat lufc 
    3 times in forty matchs at elland rd).
    Everton had chances but as usual missed them but apparently leeds
    could have had a hatful only for the brilliance on southall.
    If Kendall hadn,t come back when he did i dont think the big Nev
    would still be there.
    We have a lot of injuries at the moment(sound like someone from 
    across stanley park) and we just dont have the strength in the 
    squad.
    
    We are playing "the red shite" (just got a few copies of" when skies
    are gray " in brucies testimonial next sat week at anfield.It will be
    like a reserves fixture..
    
    Still eleventh in the league.
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.455SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPYou looking at me - PAL !!Mon Sep 28 1992 19:0117
    
    Doom gloom and despondency - the Liverpool Daily post had a really
    damming report about Everton this season - beside the wins at Man Utd
    and Blackburn, they've been very ordinary this so far (surprise
    surprise !).
    
    Beardsley and Keown, the best two players last season are out injured,
    now Warzycha the only one who's looked any good this year is out for a
    while. The buys have been very average - Horne, Rideout and Preki are
    all 'bargain basement buys' - Johnston was a poor signing and should be
    sold as soon as possible, Rangers must be laughing at Everton having
    dumped Rideout and Johnston and stolen Steven, Stevens and McCall. If
    Everton want to remain (or even become) a 'big five club', they've got
    to spend money - dead simple, debts or no debts.
    
    Paul 
    
35.456SHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPYou looking at me - PAL !!Tue Sep 29 1992 13:295
    
    Some vaguely good news today - Beardsley is winning his fitness battle
    and may be fit for Sunday's game at Oldham.
    
    Paul
35.457Beardsley for Engerland....SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 30 1992 11:4511
    
    RE-1 Does this mean he will get his long overdue return to the
    England squad ??
    
    Taylor could really do with him..
    
    
    
    
    
    Liam
35.458Everton Vs Everton reserves Sunday live on SKYSIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 02 1992 19:5817
    
    No Beardsley in the England squad ???????????
    
    The Latics on sunday live on sky .
    The dublin branch of the Everton supporters club are meeting in the
    Plough Bar in middle abbey st to watch this ,All are welcome..
    
    Also they are travelling to the City game in Goodison on the 31th oct.
    If i can mug any grannies tonight 8-)8-) i,ll be there ....
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    p.s I gave up predicting matchs 
    
    p.p.s. IS Beardsley fit for sunday ??
35.459Oldham 1 Everton 0BLKPUD::HUGHESSMon Oct 05 1992 13:177
    After another lacklustre performance I propose we close the Everton
    note until there is something we can say about an Everton performance
    other than one shot from Bobby the Pole.
    
    Everton now 15th and slipping.
    
    Simon 
35.460Good idea SiSHAWB1::WATTY::WATTERSONPyokMon Oct 05 1992 13:252
    
    C L O S E D   U N T I L    F U R T H E R   N O T I C E
35.461I Dread the visit from Rotherham this week...SIOG::DAWSONMon Oct 05 1992 16:275
    
    Good Idea 
    
    CLOSED
    
35.462I second that decisionISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticMon Oct 05 1992 17:280
35.463Break that silenceMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Oct 07 1992 21:2210
    
    Sorry lads I can't resist it.
    
    Good luck to the BLUES for tonights game against Rotherham.
    (But if we do lose then it's back to the closed shop - OK)
    
    Regards
    
    Ian
    
35.464Goal famine ends !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Oct 08 1992 12:0215
    
    Everton ... 3   v   Rotherham ... 0
    Rideout 2
    Cottee (Pen)
    
    Everton win 3 - 1 on aggregate.
    
    We have now been drawn at home to Wimbledon in the next round.
    I don't have any details on how the match went, perhaps someone can
    post a report.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ian
    
35.465WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPyokThu Oct 08 1992 13:0445
    
    
    Everton   3-0   Rotherham   Att 10,302 (including about 2,500
                                            Rotherham)
    
    Not a bad performance, Everton looked a bit dodgy for the first 25
    minutes, but once Rideout had scored his first, Everton were fully in
    control. Cottee added the second from the penalty spot after about 30
    minutes when Rideout broke through, knocked the ball over the keeper
    and got pulled down - Cottee scored, but the ref gave a penalty and
    sent the keeper off.
    
    The second half was like a practice game - Ridout scored the third
    after a superb run by Bob the Pole - Rideout could have got a couple
    more, he hit the post and also chipped the keeper from about 45 yards
    but just cleared the bar - Johnston came on with about 10 minutes to go
    and did he's usual - nothing. The stand-in keeper pulled off a
    brilliant save from a Beagrie screamer. 
    
    All the youngsters looked okay, especially Kenny who had a solid debut.
    
    Everton's team
    
                       Southall
             Hinchliffe          Unsworth
    
    		Watson		Ablett
              
    	  Warzycha  Horne	Kenny    Beagrie
    
    		    Rideout Cottee
    		
    Subs:
    Johnston (on for Rideout 80 mins)
    Neil Moore (another youngster on for ? 88 mins)	
    
    Other waffle... Keown is in light training and should be ready to start
    playing again in about 10 days - Snodin has been playing for the
    reserves, but is out injured again. The reserves are running
    away with the Pontins League (divison II...) - with six wins and a draw
    out of seven games - Stuart Barlow is the leading scorer - but he's
    injured at present as well.
    
    Paul
                                      
35.466WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPyokFri Oct 09 1992 12:289
    
    I was wrong about Keown - he played a full 90 minutes for the reserves
    last night.
    
    Liam, Nigel,
    
    Is anyone going to the Coventry game on the 17th October ?
    
    Paul
35.467Up for the CovFUTURS::FLETCHERFri Oct 09 1992 13:339
    Paul
    
    I'll be up north on the 16th. After the last few performances I was
    going to save my 11 quid. But what the hell. I suppose your going to
    force me to drink some beer as well.
    
    Nigel
    
    PS When is Beardo back , or is he already.
35.468WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPyokFri Oct 09 1992 13:3810
    
    Nigel,
    
    excellent news !! 
    
    I'm presuming that Beardsley will be back for the Coventry game, but
    there's been no news about him for the last few days. He may play
    tomorrow in Grobelaar's testimonial.
    
    Paul
35.469err...WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPthuthring thuckatansTue Oct 13 1992 01:0823
    
    Liverpool   2-2   Everton   att 20,000 ish
    
    I couldn't be bothered to go in the end, Sainsburys with the wife
    seemed a much more exciting prospect..... :-( 
    
    Anyway, Keown and Snodin both played the full 90 minutes - Beardsley
    didn't, I dunno what's up with him at the moment. Everton took the lead
    through Beagrie after a clever flick from Cottee and then should have
    scored a second but as usual didn't - Liverpool scored a lucky
    equaliser when Burrow's shot hit the bar and bounced in off the diving
    Kearton. Liverpool then took the lead after Rosenthal was given yards
    of space in the box and he managed to avoid hitting the bar. Grobelaar
    missed a penalty after Rosenthal's blantant dive - Kearton stood his
    ground and knocked the ball over the bar. Everton's second goal came
    from Barlow after a good run took him through the Liverpool defence and
    he finished confidently. I can't remember Everton's team but Preki
    returned to the midfield.
    
    In total vagueness... I think
    
    Paul
        
35.470PANIC::ANDERSONThe original MagpiesFri Oct 16 1992 18:1613
    Watto,
    
    If Everton post details of the prestigious Pontins Central League
    Division 1 in the programme, then I'd be interested to see what the
    current state of the table is.
    
    From the occasional results I've caught in the paper, it seems the
    'Pies reserves are doing far better than the first team !
    
    Cheers,
    
    
    Ando
35.471WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPthuthring thuckatansFri Oct 16 1992 19:1715
    
    Ando,
     - stop upsetting the Mancs, you know what a touchy lot they are...
    
    Anyway, I don't think Everton will be publishing the Pontins League
    Division 1 table too many times this season - Everton reserves 
    got relegated last season, but are currently running away with
    Division 2. I'll see if they publish the other table in the footy echo
    tomorrow. 
    
    Beardsley returns tomorrow at home to Coventry, Keown and Snodin have
    both played a couple of times for the reserves and can't be far off the
    first team.
    
    Paul 
35.472WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPthuthring thuckatansMon Oct 19 1992 10:5247
35.473Could this be the turning point..Which way ???SIOG::DAWSONMon Oct 19 1992 16:5920
35.474PLUNDR::MORANWell Des, it was a bit of a bobbler....Mon Oct 19 1992 17:218
    
    Peter Beardsley gave an interview to Newcastle's fanzine (The Mag) and
    in it he stated that he was interested in a move back to Newcastle, but
    it was up to Howard Kendle whether he stayed or went. He said the
    usual, that he was happy and had 2 years left at Everton, but should KK
    come in for him he'd be very interested in joining Newcastle.
    
    Tim
35.475Here's hoping !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Oct 23 1992 16:5822
	It's great to see the likes of Martin Keown, Peter Beardsley
	and even the long lost Ian Snodin back in the Everton line up.
	As one of the last notes stated it's good to have a squad to select
	from again.
	Hopefully Keowns return will tighten up the defence a bit and
	Beardsley can start to link up with the forwards again and resume
	his scoring form.

	Congratulations to Ian Snodin, it must have been a long road
	back from all his injury problems. Let's hope he can soon be back
	to the sort of form he showed almost 2 years ago when he was on
	the verge of a place in the England team . (God knows England
	could do with a decent right back !).

	Good luck to the BLUES for tomorrows match at Arsenal. To be honest
	I can't see Everton coming away with a win, but then I didn't think
	we'd beat Blackburn at Blackburn, so you never know.

	Regards

	Ian
35.476Toffee,s chew up the marble halls ..........SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 23 1992 19:3717
    
    The ROT stops tomorrow at Highbury .............
    
    EVERTON to win handsomely and SIOG::DONNELLY pays my mortgage next
    month (thanks noel ).
    We were supposed to go to this but lack of funds and grannies getting
    protection means we have to listen toit on the radio.
    I honestly cant see us losing to a very average arsenal team.
    
    
    I wont predict a scoreline because that usually backfires on me
    but i hope i,m the one smiling at breakfast on tuesday morning.
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.477WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahFri Oct 23 1992 19:409
    
    
>>>>    EVERTON to win handsomely 
    
    Oh no - the curse of Liam strikes again.........
    
    I'll bet a fiver on a home win tomorrow.
    
    Paul :-)
35.478YOU WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 23 1992 19:4310
    
    Paul 
    
     not enough smilies .............8-)8-) 
    
    
    see you at the Chelsea game next month  ??
    
    
    Liam
35.479Arsenal AnihilatorsSIOG::N_DONNELLYFri Oct 23 1992 20:0610
    Liam , Paul and all you Evertonians........
    
    I really feel for you these days. You lot play great football most of
    the time but for some reason the results just aren't coming and one
    other thing....
    
    You can be f..k.d if they're going to start tomorrow:-):-)
    
    Noel
    
35.480F&&K ME F&&K ME ....SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 23 1992 20:171
    
35.481The smiles are on the GoonersSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Fri Oct 23 1992 21:055
    Can I come to breakfast too Liam? My smile will be as broad
    as Noel's which would brighten up the start of the day for you.
    Unfortunately Monday's a holiday so we'll have to keep our smiles on
    'til Tuesday morning. I reckon we'll get at least 4, again, on Saturday
    and can't see your extremely less than average lot scoring.
35.482Recession hits Goodison !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Oct 26 1992 16:0724
	Arsenal ... 2   Everton ... 0

	Disappointing or what !?!
	I didn't manage to hear any news on the radio but the report in
	the paper said Evertons performance was pretty inept. The only good
	things they had to say were about Beagrie, and the two ever reliables
	Beardo and Big Nev.

	At least Ian Snodin managed to play most of the game which will help
	to get him back to match fitness. But lets face it at the moment
	Evertonians are scratching around for any crumbs of comfort. Come on
	Howard, when the hell are we going to get it right !

	We are now only 2 points off the relegation zone, and only 3 off the
	bottom which simply isn't good enough. Perhaps we'e concentrating
	on the cups this season :^)  Speaking of which it's the Wombles at
	Goodison again on Wednesday (?) in the Coca Coal, I can't bear to
	listen.

	Regards

	Ian

35.483Breakfast CANCELLED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Oct 27 1992 11:191
    
35.484WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahTue Oct 27 1992 12:0514
    
    >>>see you at the Chelsea game next month  ??
    
    Liam,
    
    yeh I suppose so, I can't be bothered to go on Wednesday - Wimbledon at
    home - to quote Simon Hughes 'I wouldn't even walk around my desk to
    watch Wimbledon'. 
    
    Kendall's promising changes for tomorrow night - probably a recall for
    Johnston - yippie..... The papers are on about kendall bidding for
    Ferguson of Dundee and off-loading Johnston in part exchange.
    
    paul
35.485breakfast bluesSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Tue Oct 27 1992 13:085
    At the post-match press session on Saturday, a hack preceded his
    question with 'I haven't seen Everton play much this season' to which
    HK retorted, quick as a flash, 'neither have I'.
    
    Ooh you do look smug Noel!
35.4862-0SIOG::N_DONNELLYTue Oct 27 1992 15:494
    Well what can I say..... no breakfast but still a big smile for Liam.
    Everton do seem to have problems though.
    
    Noel
35.487Wombles AT Goodison tonight......SIOG::DAWSONWed Oct 28 1992 12:0216
    
    With the weekend debacle out of memory (well nearly) we turn our
    attention to tonight  The Wombles at Goodison  ARRGH.........
    
    If this is anything like the league encounter of the 29 th aug
    last ,we may forget about football.I promised not to make any 
    predictions so I wont...
    
    I have just read in the paper (yes i can read ) that Barlow and 
    Jackson are being recalled tonight and Snodin is dropped .
    HK wants to keep Snodin safe for awhile .
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.488WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahThu Oct 29 1992 12:3912
    
    
    Everton reserves continued their impressive form with a 3-2 win at West
    Brom. They were 0-2 at half time but came back to win thanks to a
    Cottee hat-trick.
    
    Oh yeh and the first team drew 0-0 with Wimbledon - nobody bothered to
    go - the radio described it as 'a truly awful game'. Replay on the 11th
    Nov and surprisingly, it's not all ticket........
    
    Paul
        
35.489Don't PANIC !!!MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Oct 29 1992 15:5614
    
>>    Oh yeh and the first team drew 0-0 with Wimbledon - nobody bothered to
>>    go - the radio described it as 'a truly awful game'. Replay on the 11th
>>    Nov and surprisingly, it's not all ticket........
    
	Well, as if we needed confirmation, Howard Kendall has apparently
	declared that there is "..a crises.." at Everton.

	The question is, what exactly is he going to do about it ?

	Regards

	Ian      

35.490And for my next trickWOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahThu Oct 29 1992 16:2820
    
>>>	The question is, what exactly is he going to do about it ?
    
    The simple answer is go out and buy someone. 
    
    Horne isn't doing what he was bought to do (no disrespect to Horne),
    but Kendall needs someone in the centre of midfield who can break up
    the oppositions attacks and supply some decent passes to Cottee,
    Warzycha etc etc. A half decent forward who can create some problems in
    the penalty area and let Beardsley/ Cottee do what they're best at.
    Everton's problem is their football is too light-weight and 'pretty' -
    there is nobody to battle. If he is trying to rebuild a team like the
    1985 team all he needs is an Andy Gray and a Peter Reid.....
    
    If I was Kendall, I'd off-load Beagrie, Johnston, Horne, Rideout, Ward
    and Harper and use the cash to get either Steve Bull or Duncan Ferguson
    and Andy Townsend.
    
    Paul
              
35.491YUPPY::MCCABEMikeThu Oct 29 1992 16:417
    >>	The question is, what exactly is he going to do about it ?
    
    Retreat further into the bottle that he is rumoured to be inhabiting at
    the moment?  Nothing to do with Everton but it's also rumoured that 
    Cloughie is treating his liver to a bottle of brandy a day.
    
    Mike M
35.492WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE ?????????????SIOG::DAWSONThu Oct 29 1992 20:3115
    
    RE -2  Paul  
        I agree  with your selection of hasbeens (or never was,s).
    I was only thinking yesterday about the time when Mick Harford
    was rumoured to be coming to goodison and i was saying "what a stocking
    ,i hope he doesn,t " He now has eight goals for Chelsea and Rideout
    has one ...
    Are the Everton reserves playing on the 21th of november ???
    It would be a shame to waste an airline ticket 8-))).
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.493That's about the size of it (Ooh Err!)MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Oct 30 1992 15:4925
    
>>    If I was Kendall, I'd off-load Beagrie, Johnston, Horne, Rideout, Ward
>>    and Harper and use the cash to get either Steve Bull or Duncan Ferguson
>>    and Andy Townsend.
    
	I have to agree with most of this, with the possible exception of
	Alan Harper as he is a good squad/cover player. The trouble being
	where is the money going to come from, although having just seen
	the Man. Utd. note saying that Alex Ferguson has been handed a
	cheque for 3 million spondoolies, I suppose anything is possible
	if the board are desperate enough.

	Steve Bull would be a great investment but I don't know anything
	about Duncan Ferguson (Not another relation of Alex I hope !),
	has anyone got any information on him ?. I know what you mean
	about Andy Townsend but he is not supposed to be doing too well
	at the moment and we don't want another transfer failure.

	BTW who do Everton play tomorrow/sunday please.

	Thanks

	Ian
       

35.494The City at home tomorrow .......WOW ....SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 30 1992 17:2314
35.495Brilliant futureSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeMon Nov 02 1992 11:5810
    
    So Everton are now in a relegation position for the first time since
    the 1950's (I guess).
    
    This proves to be an exciting season. We can look forward to some thrilling
    relegation battles as opposed to the usual mid-table bore.
    
    	Just trying to be positive :-)
    
    Stefan
35.496WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahMon Nov 02 1992 13:0215
    Everton  1-3  man City  att 20,000ish
    OG
    
    I escaped from the country for the weekend, so luckily I missed the
    latest disaster - Everton are now third from bottom.. eek !!
    I'm totally confident that the poor form has bottomed out and all the
    signs of recovery are already in place... blah blah blah (continued 
    on page 56)
    
    Cottee was due a recall but was in the papers on saturday morning
    saying what everyone else is saying - the midfield is cr*p and aren't
    creating any chances for the forwards. He was dropped and now will be
    fined two weeks wages.
    
    Paul
35.497Would the last person leaving Goodison please turn SIOG::DAWSONTue Nov 03 1992 11:5925
35.498WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahTue Nov 03 1992 12:4512
35.499WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahTue Nov 03 1992 12:5123
    I've just checked my prediction note from mid-August and it's  
    frightening accurate so far.......
    
    
    
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    Predictions for the coming months....
    
    Everton get off to a stinker and don't win a game until mid-November,
    by which time they're four points behind Crystal Palace at the bottom
    of the table with just 12 goals scored and 45 conceeded- crowds are
    down to 8,000. Kendall resigns in early December and Andy Gray takes
    over as the new manager - he buys Steve Bull and Andy Townsend and 
    suddenly Everton start scoring, they go on to finish eighth and win the
    FA cup.
    
    
    Paul
35.500I'm going slightly mad !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Nov 03 1992 15:5638
 
	First I read note .497 and almost have heart failure !

	You don't go through a run like we're going through and then
	decide to sell one of your best players.
	PLEASE let this be a wind up !

	.... and then this ...
   
>    Everton get off to a stinker and don't win a game until mid-November,
>    by which time they're four points behind Crystal Palace at the bottom
>    of the table with just 12 goals scored and 45 conceeded- crowds are
>    down to 8,000. Kendall resigns in early December and Andy Gray takes
>    over as the new manager - he buys Steve Bull and Andy Townsend and 
>    suddenly Everton start scoring, they go on to finish eighth and win the
>    FA cup.
    
	PLEASE let this come true !

	Actually I haven't really got the knives out for Mr. Kendall, but
	let's face it if things don't improve dramatically soon then
	something's got to give !

	I never thought I'd say this but thank God Arsenal won last night
	to keep us an impressive TWO places of the bottom.

	Gary Lineker made an interesting comment last week. He said ..
	  "... Everton went through a crisis about 7 years ago and Howard
	   Kendall certainly turned things around then ..."
	Come on Howard it's time for that magic again.


	I'll stop waffling (sp.) now,

	Regards

	Ian

35.501WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahTue Nov 03 1992 16:597
    
    So far, it is very much like the really black days in 1983-84 - Everton
    really are only two or three players and lots of confidence off a good
    team. I believe Kendall has up until Everton get knocked out of the FA
    cup to turn things around.
    
    Paul
35.502Buddy can you spare a million ?MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Nov 03 1992 20:0419
    
>    So far, it is very much like the really black days in 1983-84 - Everton
>    really are only two or three players and lots of confidence off a good
>    team.
    
	The trouble is, Paul, that to buy those 'two or three' quality
	players it's going to take ready cash, and Everton don't seem to
	have any spare at the moment.

	Having said that though, what is the alternative ? 

	It seems to me that Everton have got to find the money from somewhere
	to give them a chance of winning games, trophies etc otherwise we
	are all in for more of the same I'm afraid.

	Regards

	Ian

35.503sell 'em allWOTVAX::SHAW07::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahWed Nov 04 1992 14:2119
    
    I know Everton are supposed to be short of cash, but the warning signs
    are already there - gates down to 20,000 for the City game, 9,500 for
    the Wimbledon game - they're not going to generate cash through the
    turnstiles unless something happens.
    
    Too many of Kendall's last few signings have been nobodys - it'll take
    a big name signing to generate interest. I remember the effect that
    Andy Gray's signing had - he put 5,000 - 10,000 on the gates for his
    first few games.
    
    If he needs to raise cash - he should be flogging the likes of
    Johnston, Rideout, Horne, Beagrie etc etc now - not waiting until
    Everton are out of all the cups. The League's wide open this season,
    and although Everton won't win it, with a couple of other players -
    they could at least be challenging for it, rather than fighting against
    relegation.
    
    Paul
35.504I can't argue with that !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Nov 04 1992 15:481
35.505Start the comeback this week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 06 1992 19:4621
    
    
    Forrest tomorrow in the bottom of the league clash ..
    
    I hope forrest dont start their inevitable come back tomorrow.
    
    
    
    There was 18/20 of us at the supporters club meeting on tuesday
    ,not bad for our league position.There is a load going to the
    chelsea game on the 21th of this month (including me).
    
    Next meeting ,for any Irish Blues out there, is derby night 
    5th dec  in the plough bar ,abbey st around 7.30.
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.506Life's full of Ups and DownsMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Nov 10 1992 11:0521
	Nottm Forest ... 0   Everton ... 1
			     (Rideout)

	That Paul Rideout eh ? .........
		......  I've always said he was a good 'un.  8^)

	A win on the ground that (as far as I can remember) Everton have
	only scored once on in the last nine seasons ! Can't be bad.

	Now lets see what happens against the Wombles tonight in the
	Coca Coal Cup replay.

	Regards

	Ian


	P.S.	I wonder if Mo Jo and Tony Cottee will be watching
		while enjoying life on their bouncy castle ?

35.507Back on TrackFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Nov 10 1992 12:568
    Pretty dire performances from the Blues over the last few weeks.
    
    I go away for 3 weeks and the only goal scored is an own goal. But I
    think that was 1 more than Man U.
    
    Good to see them get back on the rails at the weekend.
    
    Nigel
35.508BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahTue Nov 10 1992 14:5317
    
    Everton were a bit lucky on Saturday, only some inspired keeping by Nev
    and an important goaline clearance by Jackson saved them - but who
    cares, three points are three points.
    
    Wimbledon away tonight - Cottee, Johnston and Beagrie are all playing
    against York for the reserves - youngster Tony Grant (?) is in the
    first team squad, Ablett is injured, Hinchliffe stands by.
    
    There were more rumours about Keown leaving - this time Villa were
    mentioned, Atkinson's rumoured to be lining him as a replacedment for
    McGrath. I'm dubious as there's been nothing in the local press, only
    the national press.    
    
    Paul  
    
    
35.509BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahWed Nov 11 1992 13:5415
    
    Coca-cola cup 3rd Rnd replay 
    
    Wimbledon 0-1 Everton   att 3,600.....
                  Beardsley
    
    Another fantastic win, I listen to it on the radio and it sounded cr*p.
    Everton missed four very good chances - two in the last five minutes,
    but at least it was a win, Chelsea at home in the next round. Ablett
    was fit, Snodin played the full 90 minutes, but Jackson seemed to pick
    up an injury.
    
    The reserves drew 1-1 at home to York - Cottee scored.
    
    Paul 
35.510UTROP1::JANSENReading Blondes have more funWed Nov 11 1992 14:1611
rep -1

Paul,

Will it be difficult to get tickets for the games against Chelsea? Probably
not with the crowds you are getting at the moment.

I'm think of travelling up to Goodison from London as I will be there until
Thuersday (3th of DEC).

T_
35.511BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahWed Nov 11 1992 15:026
    
    Ton,
    
    I'll contact you via mail.
    
    Paul
35.512Trip To MECCA ...........SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 13 1992 12:1315
    
    PAUL
    
    I,ll be at the chelsea game ..AT last 
    
    There is 5 of us from the supporters club going on saturday morning
    staying over in the George hotel .If you tell me where youll be
    i,d gladly meet for some "bevvies"
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.513WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahMon Nov 16 1992 20:1114
    
    Liam,
    
    I'm hoping to get to the game on Saturday - it depends if the wife lets
    me out again or not.... 
    
    Will you be drinking in town or by the ground ?
    
    Did you hear 606 on Saturday, they had a bloke claiming to be the
    chairman of the Everton supporters club in Dublin - before revealling
    it was a hoax.
    
    Paul         
    
35.514Royal Oak or Supporters club ????SIOG::DAWSONTue Nov 17 1992 20:4014
    
    PAUL
    
    I,ll be drinking around the ground ,i,ll meet you in either the
    supporters club or the royal oak before or after the match ...
    you decide a time.
    I booked the tickets for the upper Gladwys st on friday around
    12:00 and they were delivered monday morning (talk about eager
    to sell tickets ).
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.515Re. the match this saturdaySHAWB2::HUGHESSWed Nov 18 1992 17:4729
    Paul, Liam
    
    Beware when you go the match on saturday. Everton have stopped
    announcing team changes over the PA before the game. They now announce
    crowd changes.
    
    :-))
    
    Simon
    
    
    
    Ps where can you see Fergie's Tits
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    At OLD Trafford of course
    !!!!
35.516WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahWed Nov 18 1992 18:0014
    
    Liam,
    
    are you talking about the Royal Oak on Spellow Lane - just down from
    the Park End ? - if so I'll meet you in there at about 1:00 - 1:30.
    Presumably your lot will be the shady bunch of Oirishmen ?
    
    Si,
    
    shut up or I'll tell everyone how bad you played at Newcastle on
    Saturday..... :-)
    
    Paul
                                                              
35.517Route one to Watty's head resulted in 6-1 reverseSHAWB2::HUGHESSWed Nov 18 1992 18:3717
    Paul
    
    re -1
    
    I may not have had a blinder this time only a half blinder but at least
    I didn't lose out to the poison dwarf of Newcastle who lept from his
    standing height of 3ft 5" to beat Paul (a conservative 6ft 2") and head
    the ball past our startled keeper. 
    
    Ps 
    Paul did once win a header back in the days when Latchford was his hero
    but like his namesake Paul (Rideout) of Everton he's totally f***&&&
    useless with his head.
    
    And you can borrow another kit next time wastter-son.
    
    Simon (paranoid) hughes
35.518Can't Play for Toffee :)WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticWed Nov 18 1992 19:5117
    
    Si,
    
    	Maybe next time we should wear a kit that fits us. On Saturday we
    looked like we were playing in skins - light blue(bloody cold) skins.
    
    	You also have to remember that WattersonP has difficulty putting a
    shirt on anyway, he can't get his head in it, and thats at either end!!!!
    
    
    Regards 
    
    Mac(the scorer)
    I think my seasons tally matches that of the likes of Cottee etc....
    
    p.s. who cleaned the kit??? as my boots are still dirty !!!
    	
35.519WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahWed Nov 18 1992 23:569
>>    p.s. who cleaned the kit??? as my boots are still dirty !!!
    
    What size are they Ian - 15 ?
    
    Try sending them through the car wash...
    
    (next games against Livingston - we'll show the Jocks whose the best)
    
    Paul
35.520International footballers and we still loseSHAWB2::HUGHESSThu Nov 19 1992 10:5633
    Livingstone Good.... They haven't got the pedigree that Newcastle have.
    
    re. What size are they Ian - 15 ? 
    
    15 is the number we will get against the jocks. 5 goals and 10 jock
    goals ie. givaways by their keeper. By the way is Bernie (our keeper)
    scottish?
    
    Is Watty scottish?
    
    
    
    
    
    Ian Mcdonald is Brazilian judging by the shot he scored with on
    saturday.
    
    
    
    
    bernie...........our resident scottish goalie
    watty............scottish well he plays like willie Young
                     or is he english. he scored one great goal when he was
    			a schoolboy and has since conned his way into many
    			clubs on the strength of it.  Yes its Paul Rideout.               
    ian..............Brazilian
    gary.............Danish, likes the cookies and looks like Jan Molby
    stockman.........scottish, like Mclair pretty on the ball but no end
    			product
    
    we've got alot of scots in our team after all.
    
    si
35.521Pele - me ??!!WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticThu Nov 19 1992 11:2015
    
    Si,
    
    me - brazillian ????????
    
    Not a chance.....
    
    I'm another one of those Scots who have crashed through Hadrians Wall
    to infiltrate the ranks of lesser mortals!!!!!! and to score goals !!
    
    Just call me ALLY :)
    
    
    mac
    
35.522Mine,s a Pint .........SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 20 1992 12:1417
    
    RE .516
    
    PAUL
    The very same pub ....The royal oak .I,ll make a real wally of myself
    and wear a  blue Digital baseball cap between 1 and 2 o clock for
    identification purposes .You can approach me with the pass-word
    " what are you drinking " I,ll answer " i,ll have a pint of what
    your drinking ".You will then put your hand in your pocket and
    produce money and pay the barperson.You have to repeat this several
    times and i,ll know for definate that its you ...8-)8-)
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.523SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Fri Nov 20 1992 13:344
    >    " what are you drinking " I,ll answer " i,ll have a pint of what
    >     your drinking ".You will then put your hand in your pocket and
    
    Liam, I am reliably informed that Watty only drinks ginger beer ;-)
35.524200 women will testifyBLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Nov 20 1992 20:098
>>>    Liam, I am reliably informed that Watty only drinks ginger beer ;-)
    
     What a nasty slur on my manhood !!
    
    
     It's lager & lime actually..... :-)
    
    Paul - happily married with two children
35.525TWO PINTS OF LAGER PLEASE NO LIME IN ONE ...SIOG::DAWSONFri Nov 20 1992 20:4313
    
    
    PAUL
    
    See you sat ......
    
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.526How's the hangover Liam ?EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Nov 23 1992 11:3234
    
    Everton   0-1   Chelsea   att 17,000ish
                    Fleck 45
    
    
    Oh dear.......... 
    
    For some reason, Kendall decided to go for an attack consisting of
    Rideout, Harper and Hinchliffe and surprisingly, they made no
    impression at all on Chelsea's defence. The first half was a shambles
    with neither side capable of playing any football - Chelsea sneaked
    ahead when Harford got free in the six yard box and forced a brilliant
    save from Nev, but Fleck was on hand to knock the rebound in.
    
    The second half was better, Horne was replaced by Barlow, Harper by
    Waryzcha and at least they caused Chelsea a few problems - Barlow had
    the best chance when Beardsley played him through, he knocked the ball
    over the keeper and seemed certain to score when a Chelsea defender
    came from nowhere and made a miraclous clearance. Hinchliffe missed a
    sitter when he got free in the box, but the ball was on his right foot
    and by the time he tried to get it onto his left, the ball was cleared.
    
    The main highlight was meeting Liam and the other Dublin Evertonians
    for a few beers before the game. For some reason Liam's Irish flag
    seemed to upset the usually 'racially tolerant' Chelsea fans....
    
    Good points for Everton.....
    
    None
    
    For Chelsea, Wise is still a whinning little ****, Townsend had a quiet
    game, but Stuart and Newton were outstanding.
    
    Paul
35.527Ginger Beers 20 Everton 0............SIOG::DAWSONTue Nov 24 1992 12:0034
    
    Paul
    
    I did make it in yesterday but was too busy to write..
    We had a great weekend only to be marred by one of the worst
    matchs i,ve been to.Your match report was accurate Everton
    still wouldnt,score if they were still playing.
    
    It was great putting a face to a name and i,m sure we will meet
    again ,hopefully with better results next time.
    
    tidbits : We went back to the royal oak and met Stuart Barlow after
    the match .Asking him what the inside track was ,he said that the
    players loved Kendall and would "die " for him ???????????
    I didn,t see any sign of that between 3.00 and 4.45, Did you ???
    
    Taken from the fanzine " Apparently Rideout is in the team because 
    he is tall,I have a mate who is 6 foot 4 inchs who will play for
    nothing and save the blues a few pound into the bargain "
    
    Some of the lads were talking about going to the derby game but
    there is no way I,ll make it ,Even if i had the money ,to see
    Everton getting trashed (on current form anway ).The blues shop
    was packed with "the red sh@@E " (fanzine name for those across 
    the park) buying up all the tickets for the derby game .
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. We also met a Everton ticket agent in one of the pubs,We told
    him he picked a wrong profession.
35.528Boys and Girls did you hear the latest....XSTACY::MDUNPHYWomen, You cant live with them.....pass the beer nutsTue Nov 24 1992 12:385
While struggling to get out of bed this morning I thought I over heard that
Arsenal have made a 2.5 million bid for keown...or was I dreaming.


Anyhow, I'd rather him that that wright fellow, who's gone passed  it!!!!
35.529Only George knows.ARRODS::OHAGANBNight On Disco MountainTue Nov 24 1992 12:498
    >Arsenal have made a 2.5 million bid for keown...
    
    Don't tell me, Tony Adams has been on another advanced drink driving
    course.
    
    ^)
    
    barry.
35.530EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Nov 24 1992 13:307
    The Keown rumour was flying round last week - this week's rumour is the
    return of Sharp from Oldham. Kendall has got to sell before he can buy,
    so it wouldn't surpise me to see him flog Keown - he's a good player
    but Everton could probably afford to lose him if it means Kendall can
    strengthen the attack and/or midfield.
        
    Paul
35.531BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyWed Nov 25 1992 10:2811
    
    The latest joke doing the rounds on Merseyside.
    
    Everton have released a video showing the highlights of the first half
    of the season - titled.....
    
    
    '20 great throw-ins'
    
    
    Paul
35.532BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyWed Nov 25 1992 11:4312
35.533BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Nov 27 1992 14:138
35.534forgot somethingMACNAS::CWALSHFri Nov 27 1992 14:491
    What about the reserves ??  Are they going to win ???
35.535BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Nov 27 1992 15:016
>>    What about the reserves ??  Are they going to win ???
    
    
    Certainly will....
    
    Attendance at Ipswich will be 14,000ish - weather: wet & windy
35.536Fumbling in the darkMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Nov 30 1992 12:279
	Could someone post the score from saturday please !

	(Not receiving Radio 5 very clearly this weekend)

	Thanks

	Ian

35.537Ipswich 1 - 0 Everton.VAXVLS::CCASEYLiverpool now and forever..Mon Nov 30 1992 12:291
    
35.538I wish I hadn't asked !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Nov 30 1992 12:491
35.539WARNUT::TPCASE::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Nov 30 1992 15:308
The Observer had an amusing go at Kendall this Sunday. Apparently, HK said that
Everton aren't far off being a chamionship side -- The Observer pointed out that
they are currently 18 places off such aspirations.

Last week HK was blaming the home pitch for Everton only scoring 4 league goals
there; the opposition didn't seem inhibited by the pitch!

Shades of '85 when HK was one game off the sack....?
35.540EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Nov 30 1992 17:4320
    
    Ipswich 1-0 Everton
    
    Same as has happened many times this season - Everton had plenty of the
    ball, but neither Cottee or Barlow were able to convert any chances.
    
    This is an important week for Kendall, with Chelsea on Wednesday in the
    Coca-cola cup and Liverpool at Goodison in the league next Monday. Two
    defeats and the murmurings will turn into a 'Kendall out' campaign. To be
    honest, I still don't think Everton are that far off being a good side,
    only Man Utd have murdered them - in the 2-0 defeat at home, but there
    have been too many games deceided by Everton's failure to score. As
    soon as they conceed a goal, the heads drop and defeat is inevitable.
    
    Making Goodison all-seater must take some of the blame, there's no
    atmosphere at all now, but at the end of the day, it's down to Kendall,
    he's been back for two years and has achieved nothing. I hope I'm
    wrong, but two defeats this week and he could be on his way.
    
    Paul
35.541The sun has got his hat on ...MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Nov 30 1992 18:2929
    
    
>    This is an important week for Kendall, with Chelsea on Wednesday in the
>    Coca-cola cup and Liverpool at Goodison in the league next Monday. Two
>    defeats and the murmurings will turn into a 'Kendall out' campaign. To be
>    honest, I still don't think Everton are that far off being a good side..
    
	I must admit when I read in the paper (supplied by British Midland
	Airlines) that HK had said that Everton were ".. not far off being
	a championship winning side ..", I couldn't stop laughing. But now
	I find Paul's at it as well.
	I know I havn't seen the BLUES this season so I am probably not in
	a position to judge, but when the results are continually going
	against the team and they seem incapable of putting the ball in
	the oppositions net, then it's difficult to see where the next
	point is going to come from.

	Please can you tell me just what HK (and your good self, Paul) are
	basing this optimism on ? 

	Is he (HK) perhaps hoping that lightening WILL strike twice in the
	same place i.e. the 84 season, or will Paul's pre-season prediction
	come true and we'll be seeing Andy Gray in the hot seat before long.

	Regards

	Ian


35.542Optimist ?EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Nov 30 1992 19:4620
>>	Please can you tell me just what HK (and your good self, Paul) are
>>	basing this optimism on ? 
    
    Ian,
    
    I dunno about championship winning, but with some confidence AND a
    couple more players, Everton could be in the top four or five. The wins
    at Blackburn and Man Utd weren't flukes, Everton are capable of playing
    good football and scoring. At the moment too many of the players are
    similar types, good at playing pretty football, but there's no one
    there to battle in midfield or up front. 
    
    The way things are going, Everton WILL be relegated - if Kendall
    doesn't realise that then maybe the alcoholic rumours are true, if he
    does, he should be flogging anyone for whatever he can get and whinging
    at the board to give him some money. The present team/squad will not
    get them out of trouble, but just one or two GOOD buys would make all
    the difference.
    
    Paul
35.543Wake me up next tuesday ............SIOG::DAWSONTue Dec 01 1992 12:1822
    
    WHAT A CROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Thank heavens for the likes of wimbledon and palace to prop us up..
    
    A week is a long time in football ,I,m not looking forward to this
    one .As promised Paul no predictions but you have got to believe
    the EVERTON are too good to go down and i for one believe we will
    have a half decent run and end up around last years position
    TWELFTH ....................
    
    
    As for the cups  Who knows ?????????????????
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
    
35.544BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Dec 01 1992 12:337
    
    Great news for tomorrow........
    
    Mo Johnston could be recalled, I'll bet the Chelsea defence are
    cr*pping themselves.   NOT !
    
    Paul
35.545They (maybe) coming to take him awayMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Dec 01 1992 16:0423
	Thanks for the reply Paul,

	The trouble is that Mr. Kendall seems convinced that the squad of
	players currently at his disposal IS good enough to not only get
	Everton out of their immediate position, but also to be challenging
	for honours. I say this because if he thought otherwise surely he
	would have off-loaded some players by now in an attempt to raise
	some cash for new purchases.

	Still, I'm willing to be convinced and two wins in the next 6 days
	would be a great start.

	You have to ask yourself though, if the worst comes to the worst and
	Mr. Kendall receives his P45 then who on earth is likely to be brought
	in to replace him. It certainly won't be the current No. 2, we've
	already tried him !
	Were you serious about Andy Gray being a contender ?

	Regards

	Ian

35.546Andy's the manFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Dec 01 1992 16:183
    Andy Gray is top of my list as well.
    
    Nigel
35.547EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Dec 01 1992 17:0817
    
    Ian,
    
    I can't think of any obvious replacements for Kendall. I can't see
    Peter Reid leaving man City, Joe Royle got Oldham into the first
    division, but hasn't done much since - other than that, I'm struggling.
    I can't see any 'names' (ie Wilkinson, Atkinson) leaving to come to
    Goodison. 
    
    Gray's only experience was a short spell as number two to Atkinson at
    Villa, having said that, why not - Everton need someone with some
    passion and commitment - Gray always gave 100%, even when Everton were
    struggling like mad in 1983 - somebody's got to give them a lift if
    Kendall does go, so Gray's as good, if not better than anyone else I
    can think off. 
    
    Paul
35.548TRUCKS::SANTBut sir, it's *supposed* to do that!Tue Dec 01 1992 17:188
    
    	How'd it go with the test-drive, Paul? Find what you were looking
    	for? Just wondered...
    
    	Sorry Mr. Mod....nothing to do with EFC, but possibly more
    	interesting 8-)
    
    	Andy.
35.549You-ve forgotten one ...MILE::PRIESTJim Priest - drowning in the Solent - 782-2835Tue Dec 01 1992 18:021
    How about Colin Harvey ? 8-)
35.550He's not there ?MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Dec 01 1992 18:5322
    
>    Gray's only experience was a short spell as number two to Atkinson at
>    Villa,...

	I thought Andy Gray was still Big Rons ('Tank' to all you old
	Oxford United fans) assistant at Villa. If not then do you know
	what he's doing now ?


>					...- Everton need someone with some
>    passion and commitment - Gray always gave 100%, ...

	I couldn't agree more, he was always such an inspirational player.
	Let's face it Everton can't get into much more of a mess than
	they're already in ... can they ? So if it comes to it why not
	give him a go.


	Regards

	Ian

35.551EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Dec 01 1992 19:217
    
    Ian,
    
    Andy Gray left Villa - he works for BSky nowadays.
    
    
    Paul
35.552Do you want a loan ofmy TRICOLOUR....SIOG::DAWSONWed Dec 02 1992 20:2014
    
    PAUL
    
    
    Are you going tonight ?? How about a match report tomorrow..
    
    
    How we nearly scored etc and How southall saves the day etc .
    
    
    
    
    
    Liam
35.553I've got the St George's crossEBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyWed Dec 02 1992 20:409
    
    Liam,
    
    yeh, I'll be there, the enthusiasm's building up already.....
    Match report depends on the result - if Everton get beat, I'm sulking.
    
    Mojo's meant to be returning - great.
    
    Paul
35.554Maurice Johnston.........You're a naughty word etcPAKORA::JJACKThu Dec 03 1992 08:106
    
    
    Glad to hear that `La Petite Merde' is doing so well down Merseyside
    way !
    
    
35.555It's no better in FrenchJRDV04::CHAMPOLLIONThu Dec 03 1992 11:056
    Ah ah...
    
    However, as the notice says: "Please read note 2.43 AGAIN".
    
    Thanks -
    JF
35.556Howard's reprieve (for a while anyway)MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Dec 03 1992 11:1222
	Everton  ... 2    Chelsea  ... 2
	Beardsley         Harford
	Barlow            Stuart

	Despite taking the lead twice through what were supposedly cracking
	goals from Beardsley and Barlow (his first for Everton), Chelsea
	managed to come back and force a replay at Stamford Bridge in two
	weeks time.

	According to the match summary I heard, Everton were playing good
	neat football and they even managed to convert this into goals.
	It's a pity they couldn't hold on for the win but apparantly
	Chelsea deserved a draw. I'll wait and see what Paul thought of it.

	Has anyone heard the draw for the quarter finals ?

	Regards

	Ian


35.557PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEThu Dec 03 1992 11:143
    
      Crystal Palace or Liverpool away..
    
35.558BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Dec 03 1992 13:0731
    Everton      2-2  Chelsea   Att 14,000ish (cut the admission prices NOW !!)
    Beardsley 25      Harford 32
    Barlow    36      Stuart  78

    Well Everton managed to more than one goal at home for only the second
    time this season, but to be honest if I was a Chelsea supporter, I'd be
    disappointed with a draw.

    Everton started off fairly well, but didn't really look like scoring
    until Beardsley scored a cracker out of nothing, he belted the ball
    from about 30 yards and it flew into the top corner. Chelsea equalised
    with a fluke from Harford before Barlow scored his first goal after a
    brilliant ball from Beardsley.

    Early in the second half, Hinchliffe was replaced by Horne with Harper
    going to left back and Snodin dropping to right back, this gave control of
    the midfield to Chelsea and they dominated the last 30 minutes - it was no
    real surprise when Stuart equalised when he out jumped Keown and Ablett -
    about 5'8 getting above two 6'ers......

    The whole game was very niggling, Wise is still a dirty whinging little
    sh*t, Townsend seemed to want a scrap with anyone in a blue shirt and
    Harford was just an animal. For Everton, Johnston started badly, but
    actually played quite well once he'd figured out how to stand up, Snodin
    looks almost back to his best and must be kept in the centre of midfield,
    Kenny is growing in confidence and did a few good things last night.Harper
    was useless and the defence struggled against a fairly average Chelsea
    attack - other than the two goals, Everton produce very few chances.

    Paul   
35.559soooooo lucky!DBOT07::RUSSELLThu Dec 03 1992 13:1718
    Paul,
    
    I only watched the match on the telly last night. I felt that 
    both Harper and Kenny ( no 7 I think) should have been booked for
    the vicious double tackle on Wyse.
    
    Bot Everton goals were flukes , Beardsley's was wind assisted and 
    would have gone into Hitchcock's arms otherwise. Barlow's goal
    was illegal, as when Beardsley took the free kick, the ball was moving.
    Beardsley also did this in the second half, and Everton nearly scored.
    
    Chelsea were very unlucky only to draw, and I fancy us away to 
    Palace in the next round, so it's bye bye to Merseyside for another
    year.
    
    Cheers,
    
    *Tiger*
35.560BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Dec 03 1992 13:5316
>>    I only watched the match on the telly last night. I felt that 
>>    both Harper and Kenny ( no 7 I think) should have been booked for
>>    the vicious double tackle on Wyse.
    
    Nah, blantant dive by the whinging little sh*t..... :-)
    
    I agree about the Everton flukes - we'll call it a 2-0 victory for
    Chelsea then. :-)
    
    Incidently, does anyone know if Ton Jensen was going last night, my
    last bit of advice to him was to get the Chelsea special. However I
    heard on the radio last night that the special had broken down and some
    500/600 Chelsea supporters missed the game..... whoops.
    
    Paul
        
35.561PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onThu Dec 03 1992 15:4518
    
    When we left Ton on Sunday he said he was doubtful for last night,
    trouble getting back and all that.
    
    On last night's game I was surprised at some of the tackles and
    aggresion being shown by the Everton, it dosen't surprise me that
    Townsend retaliated.  Rightly or wrongly he's not one to stand round
    and do nothing.  I only saw the highlights and from them it appeared to
    be Everton doing most of the provoking.
    
    Still if I was an Everton fan (god, what a thought) I would take heart
    in last nights game.
    
    Tiger,
    
    are you a Chelsea fan again?? ;-)
    
    Loz.
35.562BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Dec 03 1992 16:1413
    I didn't catch much of the highlights last night, but I've been to both
    the Chelsea - Everton games in the last couple of weeks, and although I
    might be 'slightly' biased, it was definitely the Chelsea players who
    were dishing out most of the rough stuff.
    
    Both Townsend and Wise have got some kind of attitude problem when they
    play Everton. I remember Townsend getting sent off a few years ago
    playing for Southampton against Everton - dunno what Wise's problem is,
    but he rates slightly higher than Vinnie Jones on the popularity stakes
    at Goodison.
    
    Paul
35.563PEKING::NAGLEJThu Dec 03 1992 16:1915
    
    
    I agree with you Loz, I too thought Everton played well,
    particularly in the first half. Chelsea did well to fight
    back from being behind twice.
    
    There is still something missing about Chelsea and I can't
    put my finger on it. I noticed it against Leeds last Sunday
    and again in the thirty minutes of highlights last night.
    
    I fancy Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the replay.
    
    Fancy going Loz ?
    
    JN.
35.564The high ball is back in Selhurst Park...DBOT07::RUSSELLThu Dec 03 1992 16:2716
    re .561
    
    Is this turning into the Chelsea note?
    
    Ok Loz, I said goodbye until they got rid of the three wise men from
    Wimbledon, 2 are gone, and Wyse is the pick of the three. Consider
    me back in the fold....8^)
    
    Actually, The football that Chelsea are playing this season is the
    best I've seen them play for a couple of years. They're looking more
    like Forest with all that slick ground football, I like it.
    
    Keep it up  ..
    
    *Tiger*
       
35.565BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Dec 03 1992 16:318
    
    Oi - bog off back to your own note....... :-)
    
    But seriously, Newton and the other dark (am I allowed to say dark in
    here Mr mod) fella - was it Sinclair ?, were outstanding last night -
    maybe Everton will change their buying policy one day.
    
    Paul
35.566PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onThu Dec 03 1992 21:2120
    
    Jeff,
    
    I'd like to go to the replay but I've set my sights on the Manc game on
    the Saturday.  What with her in doors being heavily ladened she get's a
    bit touchy if I do too much football, if you fancy that...game on.
    
    Tiger,
    
    nice to see you back in the fold.
    
    Paul,
    
    awfully sorry to be cluttering up your note old chap.
    
    Will all the real blues fans return to the real blues note in 31,
    
    ta,
    
    Loz.
35.567Hello Tiger Goodbye tiger .............SIOG::DAWSONFri Dec 04 1992 20:3117
    
    TIGER 
    
    Welcome back to the conference (you only note when your winning la la
    ....)
    now go back to 31 .If  you have nothing good to say about the real
    blues then naff off ...8-)8-).
    
    
    
    and so to monday ...
    
    I must say this is the first time ,going into a derby ,that i expect 
    a trashing but we will see...
    
    
    Liam
35.568BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Dec 07 1992 14:4913
    
    Well now that the Chelsea supporters have done their usual and run
    away, we can get back to the real subject...  EVERTON
    
    It's the derby game tonight and it will probably my last visit to the
    hallowed turf for a while due to the horrendous cost, lack of any
    decent football and the lure of Sainsburys on a saturday afternoon.
    Rush will probably be missing for them, while Keown is doubtful and
    Harper and Hinchliffe are out.
    
    Everton have drawn Wimbledon away in the FA cup, great !
    
    Paul
35.569Spread a little happinessMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Dec 08 1992 11:3414
	Everton ... 2   Liverpool ... 1

	I couldn't believe it, what a great result !
	The first half sounded pretty poor, but the second half really
	came to life and was very exciting with Everton just about worth
	the win. I'll leave it for Paul to put in a match report as he was
	actually there to savour the atmosphere (a crowd of 35,000 + I
	understand).

	Regards

	Ian

35.570TRUCKS::SANTBut sir, it's *supposed* to do that!Tue Dec 08 1992 12:0617
    
    	Alan Hansen described the first half as a perfect cure for
    	insomnia on R5 last night.
    
    	Everton brought on Beagrie for Unsworth (?) at half time and 
    	the game came to life.
    
    	Liverpool sounded all over Everton for long spells in the second
    	half but lost concentration after taking the lead, then stopped
    	playing with five minutes to go...Everton punished them.
    
    	Having seen the goals on tv this morning I can't help feeling
    	sorry for Hooper. I bet his ears will be ringing for a few days
    	after Sourpuss saw him let two weak shots get past him into the
    	same corner of his net.
    
    	Andy.
35.571Beardsley shoots.... goooooaaaaalll !BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Dec 08 1992 14:1645
    Everton       2-1    Liverpool    Att 35,000ish
    Johnston 61          Some talentless waster 60
    Beardsley 85

    The roller coaster season continues......

    I can't remember much about the first half, neither team created any
    chances, but it was a typical derby played at 100MPH with 100%
    commitment. Unsworth went off at half time to be replaced by Beagrie
    and Everton finally looked as if they could create something, as it was
    Wright scored with a free header from a corner in the 60th minute.
    Thankfully this sparked Everton into life and Johnston equalised with a
    long shot that seemed to crawl past Hooper and in off the post. Barnes
    hit the post not long after the equaliser, but that was all he did for
    90 minutes - Everton continued to create chances and Beardsley,
    Beagrie, Barlow and Johnston all went close. 

    I thought the game was heading towards a draw when Ablett set up
    Beardsley and his shot crept into the corner - deep joy, the ground
    errupted and all the red sh*tes crawled back under their stones.

    Snodin and Kenny were oustanding - I was shocked when Snodin went off
    with about 10 minutes to go, hopefully he's not injured again. Johnston
    also had the best game I've seen him play - not just because of his
    goal but his workrate aswell.
    
    Today's papers were full of Souness whinging about how he would have
    been disapointed with a draw and was gutted by defeat - tough sh*t,
    Everton didn't play well last night, but Liverpool got in front and
    then crumbled, they might look pretty knocking the ball round in
    midfield, but other than their goal and when Barnes hit the post, they
    never really threatened.
    
    As for Everton, there's still problems, but hopefully this win will
    give them some confidence and they can start scoring and winning,
    having said that, they'll probably get stuffed at Sheffield Utd on
    saturday.
    
    Liam, I went to the Royal Oak for a swift celebratory half and the
    atmosphere was superb, they had sky on showing Phil Thomson whinging
    and showed the goals about 15 times - it was brilliant.
    
    
    Paul
35.572I only sing when i,m winning...........SIOG::DAWSONTue Dec 08 1992 15:1136
    
    
    " YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE ,MY ONLY SUNSHINE ,YOU MAKE ME HAPPY
    
    WHEN SKIES ARE GREY "
    
    
    I watched the match last night but cant remember a thing..
    except shi@@@@@@@@ myself every time Barnes got the ball.
    
    People are saying "its only one match ".I say its more than
    that .It could be the start of something.Adding "the red sh@@e"
    to our scalps along with Villa ,Blackburn and Man u .
    I admit Everton weren,t at their best ,a long way off me thinks
    but 3 points is three points and we climb a few more places off
    the bottom .This might instill some cofidence in the side.
    Good to see Howie with a smile on his face and the whinging face
    of sourpuss ,who later said he wouldn,t have been happy with a draw
    for all their possesion .Though sh.t !!!!
    
    I,m going to milk this one for a few days.....
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. Paul did you like my reverse psychology ,saying we were going
    to get trashed  .
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Phew !!!!!!! and i won a tenner .
35.573Smile Away !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Dec 08 1992 15:4327
    
>    People are saying "its only one match ".I say its more than
>    that .It could be the start of something.Adding "the red sh@@e"
>    to our scalps along with Villa ,Blackburn and Man u .

>    This might instill some cofidence in the side.


	I must admit it is a brilliant result but I can't get too carried
	away just yet . I've thought each of Everton's wins (and there
	havn't been too many) might be the start of something in terms
	of a good run, but every time it's been back down to earth with
	a bump in the next match.
	Well let's hope it's different this time !

	Is there any news on Ian Snodin, is he injured or was the
	substitution a tactical move ?

	I don't know much about this lad Kenny, has anyone got any
	information about him ? I believe he is a home-grown talent, is
	that right ?


	Regards

	Ian

35.574BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Dec 08 1992 17:1720
    
    Ian,
    
    nothing about Snodin in the papers, I suspect there's something wrong
    with him, but the papers and radio are too busy concentrating on
    Souness' whinging. Barlow seemed to pull something late on as well, so
    he could be doubtful for Saturday. 
    
    Bill Kenny is a youngster who's come up through the ranks, I've seen
    him a few times now, but he seemed to come of age last night - he's not
    one of these spectacular players, but he reminds me a bit of a young
    MacMahon -before Liverpool taught him how to be an animal - his dad,
    also played for the Blues in the early 1970s.
    
    Liam, it wasn't you lack of a prediction that won the game, it was my,
    unwashed since 1985, lucky bobble hat - I washed it once and Everton
    lost 4-3 at home to Chelsea. It was the first time it had seen daylight
    for a couple of years yesterday....
    
    paul
35.575how could you say thatGAOV10::MURPHYWed Dec 09 1992 11:2112
    obviousley the noter in 35.571 didn't see the the matct.If he did he
    couldn't say Liverpool only created two chances.Liverpool quite
    definately deserved to win that match but as usual southhall kept
    them in the match.So please,enough of these tunnel visioned comments
    as they are very unfair and totally inaccurate.
    
     looking forward to the return as it was a very entertaining game.
    
         regards,
    
               Anthony. 
                                                
35.576TRUCKS::SANTBut sir, it's *supposed* to do that!Wed Dec 09 1992 11:3110
    
    	Would this be the same Everton note that Paul Watterson officially
    	closed about two weeks ago? 8-) 8-)
    
    	I think we should be told...
    
    
    	Oh, by the way, great result on Monday night....;-)
             
    	Andy.
35.577we're all laughing at LiverpoolBLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyWed Dec 09 1992 12:2321
    
    Andy,
    
    it was official closed about a month ago, then unofficially reopened a
    couple of days later  - wake up man !! :-)
    
    (by the way, I finally found a turbo diesel to test drive)
    
    Anthony,
    
    I was defo there, unlike the legions of Liverpool supporters who are
    able to give us detailed reports on TV 'live' games, world service
    reports etc etc, but never actually go to games. I thought Nev had a
    fairly quiet game, the only saves I remember him making was when Ronnie
    (headless chicken) Rosenthal got through, but lost control and then
    when the same player hit a shot from outside the box that Nev saved
    easily. Face facts, Liverpool are ****, they must be to get beaten by a
    very average Everton team.
    
    Paul
    
35.578YOU WHAT!GAOV10::MURPHYWed Dec 09 1992 13:2213
    PAUL,
        I will agree with you about the legions of Liverpool supporters who
        get their match comments from other sources.However I do not wish
        to be put in this class.I would have to see a match before I'd
        make a comment,and as to your other comment about not seeing live
        games,i have been to Anfield and Wembley on a number of occasions
        to support Liverpool and I have always announced my colours with
        pride.So please don't catigorise me without facts.
    
               regards
                  Anthony.
    
                                                      
35.579LOYAL SUPPORTERSSUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupWed Dec 09 1992 13:328
    I have to agree with what Paul is saying.  Their are too many people in
    this conferance who claim to be true supporters but only go and see
    their team a few times a season.  I wouldn't mind but then you get
    people who see the game on TV (See Sheff Wed topic) and other people
    who get reports from papers (See Leeds topic) who go on saying how
    great their team was.   True supporters, watch their team. 
    
    Terry
35.580supportGAOV10::MURPHYWed Dec 09 1992 14:125
    What paul says is true but for people who live in other countries the
    task to try and get to every match is quite hard.As far as i am 
    concerned I have done well to get to as many matches as I have done
    as I live on the west coast of Ireland.
            Anthony.
35.581LOYAL SUPPORTERSUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupWed Dec 09 1992 14:176
    I agree with what you are saying about how hard it is to get to a match
    in another country, but the way you were talking it was as if you were
    Liverpool best supporter.  Still the Liverpool topic is no way near as
    bad as the Leeds one for that.
    
    Terry
35.582Loyal or not ,that is not the question ???SIOG::DAWSONWed Dec 09 1992 15:2729
    
    RE ..Last few 
    
    I claim to be a "loyal Supporter " for the blues ,but i only go
    to about four games a year.Then again i live in dublin and it costs
    me a small fortune to go .
    And you cant accuse anyone who supports the blues as jumping on the
    bandwagon , as our bandwagon is temporarily still in the stable ..
    
    Most football fans in Ireland follow a team in England as well.I
    go to most Shelbourne home games but if they ever were playing 
    Everton i would be shouting for the blues .
    
    This bickering about what defines a true supporter is nonsense ,the
    fact that someone logs into this conference  and even if it is
    read-only mode (hello MR ROBB) infers that they support football
    and that is what is important.
    
    Different people have different circumstances (i.e .married with kids)
    which dictate when they can go to matchs etc .They real test is ,how
    upset you get when your team loses on a saturday afternoon....
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    (who has a lot of poxy weekends this season ,but some very good mid-
    weeks )
35.583Ease-up Anthony!!!!!!!!MACNAS::MJGREANEYBananna RepublicWed Dec 09 1992 15:3912
    re: .580 etc...
    
    
    seems like Anthony is suffering from Cunnovitis or is he aware of the
    dreaded "Liverpudlian disease"......I thought these topics were
    football related and not a geographical map of "and where do you live?"
    
    Apologies to the "Blues" for this entry!
    
    
    
    M.J.
35.584OW THAT HURTGAOV10::MURPHYWed Dec 09 1992 16:0216
    lads in fairness I was only trying to defend myself against paul 
    onslaught.Paul made it sound as if if was the only football 
    supporter to go to matches.I did intend to sound like the best
    Liverpool supporter but just try to get out of the stigma which was
    attached to saying I only put in what I read.
    
            take it easy paul or who ever else had a go at me.
    Please leave CUNNO alone this is a very serious disease and should
    not be mocked.
     
    
            regards
              Anthony.
    
    L   I   V   E   R   P   O   O   L
    
35.585BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyWed Dec 09 1992 16:2814
    Whoa.....

    Anthony,

    Re onslaught
    
    I never attacked any individual - it was you who suggested I wasn't at
    the game. I go to quite a few games (not as many as some noters in
    here) and I admit I get the odd fact wrong as Brian Long 'sometimes'
    points out.... :-) My hobby is having a go at Liverpool, loosen up and
    don't take everything so personal.
    
    Paul
35.586Let Paul enjoy himself....KBOMFG::TANNERWe're one, but we're not the sameWed Dec 09 1992 21:2810
   Paul your quite welcome to have a go at the pool after winning against them,
after all it hasn't happened too often in the past years!!!!!!!! 

   My feelings regarding the defeat. Well lets not talk about them, I was
begining to get the feeling that we were on a good run... 

                                                            regards....

                                                                -dave-
35.587well doneGAOV10::MURPHYThu Dec 10 1992 11:104
    I AGREE.CONGRATULATIONS PAUL ON A HARD EARNED VIVTORY.
    
                       Regards,
                         Anthony.
35.588Let that be an end to it !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Dec 10 1992 18:4415
	Re. note 582

	I totally agree Liam, this argument about being a 'true' supporter
	really winds me up. I think you made some very good points and
	answered the question once and for all.

	Let's hope that Everton can consolidate there fabulous run of one
	win on the trot (although beating Liverpool is worth five or six
	other victories), and beat Sheffield United on Saturday (?).

	Regards

	Ian

35.589BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Dec 11 1992 12:5911
    
    Team news for tomorrow.....
    
    Kenny's out - he's suspended after being sent off in a reserve game a
    few weeks back - Preki, Jackson, Harper and Waryzcha are all recalled
    to the squad.
    
    Everton are being linked with Kenny Irons of Tranmere and Graham Stuart
    of Chelsea.
    
    Paul 
35.590Just a quickie (Ooooerrr!)MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Dec 11 1992 14:5016
    
>    Everton are being linked with Kenny Irons of Tranmere and Graham Stuart
>    of Chelsea.

    
	Paul,

	I don't know anything about these players. What position do they
	play in and are they any good ? I seem to remember you mentioning
	Graham Stuart a few notes back when you reported on the Chelsea
	game but I may be mistaken.

	Regards

	Ian

35.591EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Dec 14 1992 13:4715
    Ian,
    
    I think Kenny Irons is a midfield player - he scores a few goals, don't
    know much else about him. Stuart scored a good goal at Goodison the
    other week, but to be honest he hasn't really stood out in the games
    I've seen.
    
    Yet another disappointing defeat on Saturday - I'm not sure, but I
    think Everton have only won once on a saturday (Nottm Forest) this
    season- the wins over Villa, Man Utd, Blackburn, Liverpool, Wimbledon,
    and Rotherham have all been midweek games - the only midweek defeat was
    at Rotherham, so hopefully Everton can win at Chelsea on wednesday.
    
    Paul - clutching at straws.....
              
35.592Are you sure?YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHNever and alwaysWed Dec 16 1992 17:269
    - 1
    
    Paul - re Graham Stuart - in your own words you described Stuart
    as being "outstanding" in one of the games at Goodison! see note .526
    
    Pedantically yours
    
    Andy
       
35.593Sulk 1 - EndedMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Dec 16 1992 18:3721
	Well I've just about got over my sulk due to last weekends result,
	the trouble is I'll probably be in another one tomorrow as it's
	the Coco Coal replay tonight against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.
	Judging from the report on the Sheffield Utd game it appears
	that Everton, once again, played quite well at times but,
	yes you guessed it, couldn't put the little white round thing
	in between the two sticky upy things.

	Let's hope for a bit of fighting spirit from the boys tonight,
	and I don't mean of the Ian Wright variety, to salvage something
	from an already hugely disappointing season.

	Paul, do you have any team news and do you know whether the game
	will be on Radio 5. I'll be praying for good reception anyway.


	Regards

	Ian

35.594EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Dec 17 1992 12:3017
    
    .592
    
    Whoops - your memory starts to go when you get to my age.....
    
    .593
    
    Sorry Ian, I was out yesterday afternoon - Johnston and Preki were
    dropped, Rideout, Kenny, Harper and Beagrie were all recalled, it
    didn't make much difference. I caught the last ten minutes on the
    radio, Rideout hit the post with two minutes to go, but other than
    that, Everton were pretty poor.
    
    Preki scored for the reserves in a 1-1 draw at Mansfield, Johnston
    limped off injured.
    
    Paul
35.595Like a lead balloonMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Dec 17 1992 16:0426
	Sulk ?  Me ?  No, I'm beginning to develop suicidal tendancies !

	Well, Everton have parted company with yet another competition,
	namely the Coca Coal Cup, after being beaten 1 - 0 by Chelsea
	last night. Although there was no match comentary on Radio 5
	there were regular reports and apparently (as Paul said) Everton
	were very poor and Chelsea certainly deserved their win. They
	even decided to give Everton a chance by playing the last 20
	minutes with 10 men due to having a player sent off for a bad
	foul on Kenny, but of course they couln't capitalize on it.
	There was a strange report about our Mr. Kendall being warned
	(or booked ?) as he applauded the referee's decision to send off
	the Chelsea player, and then carried on clapping the said player
	off the pitch and down the tunnel. Bizarre or what !?!

	What now then ?, he asked fumbling for some appropriate football
	cliche. Ah yes, that's it, we're concentrating on the F.A. Cup.
	(But I wouldn't put money on Everton beating Wimbledon at the
	moment !)

	Regards

	Ian


35.596Kenny was luckyMACNAS::CWALSHA goal a day keeps relegation awayFri Dec 18 1992 14:118
    I saw the tackle for which the Chelsea player (what's his name) was
    sent off. One of the worst tackles I've ever seen and definitely
    deserved to be sent off. It was worse than Saunders tackle on Elliot.
    
    He went in to mame Kenny and could have aswell but he didn't really
    connect. Ian Wright has some competition.
    
    Colm.
35.597PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEFri Dec 18 1992 16:188
    
    Gareth Hall was the one sent off for the challenge, the worst tackle I
    have seen this year has got to be in the game between Portvale v
    Stoke City in a F.A Cup replay, I dont know the names of the players
    but it sent shiver down your spine, I dont even think the player got
    booked.
    
    Andy..B
35.598Do they all belong to a travelling Circus!!!PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKTue Dec 22 1992 16:218
    
    I see Howard Kendell's team of Dwarfs managed there first win for some weeks
    on Saturday, they should be good enough to avoid relegation to the
    second division next season they really are the biggest bunch of
    misfits ever to play for one team...
    
    Neil..
     
35.599TRUCKS::SANTBut sir, it's *supposed* to do that!Tue Dec 22 1992 18:139
    
    	Neil, that must be the fourth bomb of yours that I've read in the
    	past five minutes.....
    
    	What are you drinking, man?! ;-)
    
    	Obviously full of the yuletide spirit 8-)
    
    	Andy.
35.600BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Dec 22 1992 18:216
    
    Andy, 
    
    you're only jealous because he hasn't had a go at Man Utd yet........
    
    Paul :-)
35.601TRUCKS::SANTBut sir, it's *supposed* to do that!Tue Dec 22 1992 19:258
    
    	sob sob
    
    	yeah, you're right Paul ;-) 
    
    	Strange, really .......most of you lot do that first ;-)
    	
    	Andy.
35.602Drink and be merry ............SIOG::DAWSONWed Dec 23 1992 17:0814
    
    
    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL YOU BLUES .........
    
    
    
    
    oh and Everyone else in the conference .................
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.603Are the pubs open yet ?BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Dec 24 1992 13:338
35.604Four below and falling !MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Dec 29 1992 15:0517
	Well I'm just back from my hols (until Thursday when I'm off
	again for the new year !) only to find that it's gone awfully
	quiet in here. Still, after a 4 - 2 thrashing by Q.P.R. and
	having 2 players sent off I'm not really surprised. Things are
	going from bad to worse !

	At least Everton managed to beat Southampton and draw with
	Middlesbrough (Sp?) over the previous week. Currently fifth
	from bottom and clinging on to that Premier League place.

	Happy New Year to all the footy noters, especially the Evertonians !

	Regards

	Ian

35.605Always Look on the bright side of life .....SIOG::DAWSONWed Dec 30 1992 13:4724
    
    re -1 
    At least i,d take heart at the manner we came back in the second half
    against qpr.I switched off the radio (with second half commentary)after
    we were three nil down (and the cock crowed thrice )but later heard
    that Barlows brace put the blues well into the match until sinton got
    his third with two minutes to go.Shades of last year when spurs were
    beating us three nil at half time but we managed to draw the game.
    
    I have to agree that staying up has to be our priority ,its a good
    job we started well.Wimbledon in the f.a.cup next and I wont comment
    til after the game..
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
    
    Have a happy new year and hopefully with plenty of pints ,err I mean
    points of course !!!!
    
    
35.606TRUCKS::WARDRMon Jan 04 1993 13:344
    What is Johnston's mystery injury involving his cheekbone ???
    When he is going to get a free back to Thistle ???
    
    Ray
35.607BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Jan 04 1993 21:4620
    
    I'm still waiting for 'my sources' to fill me in on Johnston's injury -
    it's a broken cheekbone sustained in 'an accident at home'.....
    
    Everton also made the back page of the News of the World following an
    incident in a pub in Birkdale (near Liverpool) involving Beardsley,
    Snodin, Grahme Sharp, Neil Pointon and Mark Ward - Ward was said to be
    lurking near the women's toilet upsetting all the regulars, a brawl
    followed and Ward has now been barred from the pub....
    
    Meanwhile back at the football - Kearton will make his full debut in
    the cup replay against Wimbledon next Tuesday - appearantly he had a
    blinder when he came on at QPR. Everton will face Villa or Bristol
    Rovers away in the next round IF they can beat Wimbledon.
    
    Crystal Palace away on Saturday, another blood bath I presume -
    hopefully Everton will get a couple of dodgy penalties.
    
    Paul
                                                                 
35.608Through the Executive Box windowMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Jan 06 1993 15:1118
	According to the Radio 5 reporter at the Rangers game last night
	our Mr. Kendall was at Ibrox to cast a beady eye over a certain
	striker called Ferguson. Later on when reporting on Rangers 3-2
	victory (even Stuart McCall scored - Why did Everton sell him ?)
	he said that Ferguson did not play particularly well and missed
	a couple of good chances. It seems he would fit in to the Everton
	team perfectly ! 8^)

	Regards

	Ian

	P.S.	I hear the Everton - Wimbledon cup game was another
		all-time classic footballing feast ;-), does anyone have any
		more information ?


35.609WARNUT::TPCASE::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Jan 06 1993 16:066
According to the papers (can't remember which one), Mo Johnstone got pissed
out of his tiny brain, had to be carried home and put to bed. Answering a call
of nature in the night, Mo fell down the stairs!

I don't know how HK [supposedly] found this explanation acceptable; if I was his
manager I would not pay him while he is injured and unavailable.
35.610Bon AniMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Jan 08 1993 17:3814
	Good luck to the BLUES for tomorrows game against the Flying
	whatsits. For some reason there is no love lost between the two
	teams so it will probably be a bit of a physical battle to say the
	least. But as Everton's away form is almost as good as their home
	form they are always in with a chance.

	Is there any further news on the rumoured bid for Steve Hodge, or
	was it just another rumour ?

	Regards

	Ian

35.611BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Jan 08 1993 18:4511
    Nothing at all on the Hodge story.........
    
    Kendall was at Ibrox during the week watching Duncan Ferguson, but
    appearantly he's NOT for sale- at any price according to Dundee's
    manager.
    
    The needle between Everton and Palace goes back to the ZDS cup final
    when Keown was assaulted by some Palace player - I think Keown got sent
    off in the next league game at Selhurst.
    
    Paul
35.612YUPPY::PANESMy other bus is a 68Fri Jan 08 1993 18:5817
          <<< Note 35.611 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "By eck it's parky" >>>

    
>    The needle between Everton and Palace goes back to the ZDS cup final
>    when Keown was assaulted by some Palace player - I think Keown got sent
>    off in the next league game at Selhurst.
    
>    Paul


     Watty you rascal, that is errant nonsense. If my memory serves me 
     it was ugly ( Keown ) who started mixing it at Goodison.

    Anyway a few choruses of "Hi Ho" tomorrow and hopefully 3 points for
    the pre-pubescent Palace .

    Stuart
35.613BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Jan 08 1993 19:2611
    
    Stuart,
    
    would I try and wind people up in here - never....Keown's an angel
    until it comes to the playing against the fading Eagles - they must do
    something to upset him. How can you call him ugly, the wife reckons
    he's quite handsome when compared to Harper, Beardsley and Ablett.
    
    Have they still got the puddles at Selhurst ?
    
    Paul
35.614YUPPY::PANESMy other bus is a 68Fri Jan 08 1993 19:4820
          <<< Note 35.613 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "By eck it's parky" >>>

    
>    Stuart,
    
>    would I try and wind people up in here - never....Keown's an angel
>    until it comes to the playing against the fading Eagles - they must do
>    something to upset him. How can you call him ugly, the wife reckons
>    he's quite handsome when compared to Harper, Beardsley and Ablett.
 
     Beardsley makes John Merrick look cute.
        
>    Have they still got the poodles at Selhurst ?
    
     Paul,
     
     Have you been drinking?

     Stuart

35.615BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Jan 08 1993 20:279
    
    Stuart,
    
    
    
    YOU'RE DEAD - that's the sort of stupid mistake I sometimes put in, and
    I fell for it !!!!
    
    Paul 
35.616BRING ON EUBANK ........SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 08 1993 20:5722
    
    
    I have already noted my dislike for the F.Es,which seemed to upset 
    yuppy :: Panes .I still havent changed my mind and undoubtably tomorrow
    will be a feast of football 8-)8-)..
    
    We could really do with the three points but palace are the form team
    except the little hic-cup last saturday.
    
    We must be a serious challenger for the ugliest team in the premier
    league.Now if only we had Ian Rush we would definatly win it hands 
    down.
    
    Just for my records Who scored for the blues against southampton
    over the x-mas.....
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.617BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Jan 08 1993 21:3117
    
    Liam,
    
    how you doing ?
    
    Beardsley (pen) and Rideout scored against Soton.
    
    A defeat tomorrow and things will start to look bad - relegation this
    season would be a disaster, I think there's three down and only one up
    the following season - but I'm not panicking YET !!
    
    Horne's dropped tomorrow, Ebbrell and Kenny will be centre midfield
    (not that they'll need a midfield against Palace......)
    
    Paul
    
    Paul
35.618Eagles shot down .....SIOG::DAWSONMon Jan 11 1993 12:1121
    
    Good win on saturday ...
    
    It moves us up one more place from relegation ,only three points
    behind Liverpool.Another three points and we will be in mid-table 
    and should be safe from the dreaded "R zone".
    
    Beardsley and jackson scored to get revenge on the Eagles...
    Nigel Martin was lucky to stay on the pitch after a fearsome 
    tackle on beardsley.
    
    
    The Wombles on wednesday in the F.A. cup replay...
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. Where did we get that gear ???????????????? white with blue
    collars ..
35.619BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Jan 11 1993 14:209
    
    Good win on saturday - despite the ref being an obvious 'homer' and
    refusing to send the donkey of a keeper off after his vicious assault
    on Beardsley.
    
    Kendall was on the radio this morning denying that he's on the verge of
    leaving - Joe Jordon is meant to be his replacement if he does go....
    
    Paul
35.620YUPPY::PANESMy other bus is a 68Mon Jan 11 1993 14:3621
          <<< Note 35.619 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "By eck it's parky" >>>

    
>    Good win on saturday - despite the ref being an obvious 'homer' and
>    refusing to send the donkey of a keeper off after his vicious assault
>    on Beardsley.
    
     I did mention at the time that I thought it was "an ugly challenge", but
     that was only because Tommy Cruise was involved. I'm not entirely sure
     that it was a "goal-scoring" chance, in which case the bouffant one was
     keeping to the spirit of the law. He made amends ( if indeed it was
     necessary ) to the Evertonians, by allowing the free kick which led to
     the first goal, which was not only a rolling ball, but I estimate it
     was also taken 20 yards from the right spot.

     Palace continue to show generousity to the "little" clubs ( Hartlepool,
     Everton etc ).

     Stuart

    
35.621BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Jan 11 1993 14:5318
    
    Blimey that didn't take long to get a reaction....
    
    To be honest, I usually wouldn't have been bothered about the keeper
    not getting sent off, but having said that, Southall was sent off for a
    stupid offence at QPR a couple of weeks ago - it just shows how
    inconsistant refs can be - 'spirit of the law' and all that cr*p.
    
    As for the free kick - yes it was well away from the spot and the ball
    was moving, shame - I videoed the goals and managed to catch a vicious
    thug throwing her chips at Matt Jackson as he celebrated his goal, I
    have reported the matter to the south London police.
    
    Little clubs - pah, at least Everton don't have to share their ground
    with Wimbledon and their car-park with the Sainsburys shoppers.... and
    my dad's bigger than your dad.  :-)
    
    Paul
35.622Milford eat my donkeyYUPPY::PATEMANOur Nige is Their Nige Now - Thank the LordMon Jan 11 1993 15:005
    Everton seem to be little both stature and travelling support. They
    must have had the fewest fans with them this season. Mr Panes is
    clearly correct in his assessment of them :-)
    
    Paul
35.623YUPPY::PANESMy other bus is a 68Mon Jan 11 1993 15:0719
<<< Note 35.622 by YUPPY::PATEMAN "Our Nige is Their Nige Now - Thank the Lord" >>>
                           -< Milford eat my donkey >-

>    Everton seem to be little both stature and travelling support. They
>    must have had the fewest fans with them this season. Mr Panes is
>    clearly correct in his assessment of them :-)
    
>    Paul

    To be fair ( "what in the Football Conference ?????" ), the scousers 
    did bring down about 4000 for the Wimbledon game and visited the Subbuteo
    Ground recently. 

    To add insult to injury someone accused me of being an Evertonian in the
    players lounge after the game. Although I was with a Scouser who confuses
    fellow players in the Kirby and District league by wearing a Palace shirt
    ( probably to cover up his Everton tattoo ) to his Sunday matches.

   Stuart
35.624ARRODS::OHAGANBMon Jan 11 1993 18:0815
   > To add insult to injury someone accused me of being an Evertonian in the
   > players lounge after the game. Although I was with a Scouser who confuses
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Are we to now address you as Stuart "Friend to the Stars" Panes 
    or are they letting any old herberts in these days.  
    
    barry.
    
    p.s. Does Wyman bring his 12 year olds along for a glass of pop?
    
    
    
    
35.625An old herbert writesYUPPY::PANESMy other bus is a 68Mon Jan 11 1993 18:2721
                     <<< Note 35.624 by ARRODS::OHAGANB >>>


    
>>    Are we to now address you as Stuart "Friend to the Stars" Panes 
>>    or are they letting any old herberts in these days.  
    
    barry.
  
     I just walk in, but I did have a beer with Chris Coleman in a pub 
     in Croydon on Saturday night, and might be meeting up with him again
     tomorrow.
     
>    p.s. Does Wyman bring his 12 year olds along for a glass of pop?
    
     I hope you didn't expect me to put a predictable reply about coke.

     Stuart   
    
    

35.626Good try ! Replay Tuesday ?MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Jan 12 1993 16:4113
	Can anyone tell ne whether the Everton - Wimbledon replay is
	tonight (Tuesday), or tomorrow (Wednesday) please.

	I think someone has already said that it is on Wednesday, but I
	thought the Liverpool - Notlob match was on Wednesday and I
	presume they can't both be on the same day as both Everton and
	Liverpool are at home.

	Thanks

	Ian

35.627BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyTue Jan 12 1993 17:308
    
    Tonight - snow permitting.
    
    Kearton makes his debut, Barlow plays up front in place of Rideout -
    I'm going, so providing Everton don't lose, I'll put a report in on
    Thursday.
    
    Paul
35.628No predictions please ...SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 12 1993 20:3020
    
    The wombles tonight at Goodison...
    
    
    
    
    A Feast of football in store  me thinks ......
    
    
    Paul i was tempted to put in a prediction but  remembered last year 
    so i wont bother..
    
    
    I await your match report ..
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
35.629The F.A. Cup is toffee free 8-(MOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Jan 13 1993 10:4222
	Everton ... 1  Wimbledon ... 2
	Watson         Fashanu
                       Earle (sp)

	'The final disappointment'

	Well that's the end of Everton's season then !


>>    I'm going, so providing Everton don't lose, I'll put a report in on
>>    Thursday.
    
>>    Paul


	I don't think I could bear to here the gory details anyway.

	Regards

	Ian

35.630Whither Watty???YUPPY::PANESMy other bus is a 68Wed Jan 13 1993 11:564
   I am sure that Everton could not get motivated after their giant killing
   feats at the Palace last Saturday.

   Stuart
35.631SICK AS A WOMBLE .......SIOG::DAWSONWed Jan 13 1993 11:5724
    
    Re last  Our season isint over yet ,We still have to survive in the
    premier league.
    
    Already I hear the " Kendall Out mob".
    
    I would give him another season.He has almost cleared out the mess
    that Harvey left but with no money left ,and no more likely to come
    our way this season, at least he has blooded some youngsters 
    Barlow ,Kearton,Kenny etc ...
    
    
    
    Not a lot to play for and it,s only the 13th january .
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
    
    I was going to book for the Derby game in march but i could think of 
    a lot better things to do with 200 quid .........
    
    
35.632EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Jan 14 1993 12:5635
    
    Ian Pratley - hit next unseen now.....
    
    
    Everton 1-2 Wimbledon 15,000ish FA Cup third replay
    
    What an unbelievable cr*p game - Wimbledon played they're usual hoof it
    and chase it tactics, but Everton didn't have the brains or the skill
    to cope with it. The first half was dire with Everton unable to break
    down Wimbledon's defence and Wimbledon showing no real interest in
    attacking until Fashanu chased a long ball which Keown and Watson both
    made a mess off - Fashanu nipped it to score past Kearton. Everton
    started brightly in the second half and Preki hit a 'Sheedy-like' free
    kick against the underside of the bar - but Wimbledon went straight
    down the other end and scored the second. Watson pulled a goal back
    with about 20 minutes to go, but Everton never really looked like
    equalising.
    
    Kendall should do now what he didn't do at the end of last season,
    clear out all the deadwood and start rebuilding - Keown's refusing to
    sign a new contract and even though he's Everton's best defender should
    be sold now for as much money as possible. Ebbrell remains the eternal
    promising youngster who fails to deliver, same for Barlow, Horne and
    Rideout are second class never-have-beens, Cottee, Beagrie and Johnston
    don't figure in Kendall's plans so they should be ditched. On the plus
    side, Kenny gets better in every game, Preki seems to be adjusting to
    English football and was probably the best player on Tuesday - and
    Beardsley and Southall are a class above the rest - one report I
    saw for a recent game had Beardsley man of the match with the comment
    'too good for Everton' - sad but true.
    
    I shall be voting with my feet from now on, so until anything dramatic
    happens you'll be spared my abysmal reports.
    
    Paul
35.633Kendall needs a snow-shovel to clear out the mess...SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 15 1993 13:1221
    
    Paul
    
    re last  Why is it so obvious to us supporters what needs to be done
    and not the management ??
    I agree with your comments ,write off this season and possibly the next
    and rebuild for the future .I honestly didnt expect Everton to challenge
    for the league this season but then they go and have a great start to
    the season and raise our hopes.It,s what man u did and if they win the
    league this year they could hold on to it for a few years to come(sad 
    but true).Everton used to have a great reserve and a teams  where are
    all these players now ??
    
    
    
    Leeds tomorrow and i,ll proably watch the rugby !!!!!!!!
    
    
    cheers
    
    Liam                                
35.634It's good news week(end) !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Jan 18 1993 11:3013
	Everton ... 2   Leeds United ... 0
	Cottee (2)

	I can't believe it, two league wins on the trot. It's the most
	excited I've beem all season (about football that is !).

	Perhaps TC does figure in our Mr. Kendall's plans after all.

	Regards

	Ian

35.635EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Jan 18 1993 14:1314
        
    Two league wins in a row - amazing, Kendall was saying it was the best
    home performance of the season. Shame they couldn't do it on Wednesday.
    If Kendall's going to play Cottee, he's got to be in until the end of
    the season and given a proper run - rather than dropping him after one
    bad game. 
    
    No game next week - Derry City away in a friendly on Saturday. 
    
    Fashanu was on the radio on Saturday saying how much he likes Everton
    and the manager and the supporters etc etc and how he'd love to come
    and play at Goodison.... frightening....
    
    Paul
35.636FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Jan 18 1993 16:2410
          <<< Note 35.635 by EBYGUM::WATTERSONP "By eck it's parky" >>>

        
>    Fashanu was on the radio on Saturday saying how much he likes Everton
>    and the manager and the supporters etc etc and how he'd love to come
>    and play at Goodison.... frightening....
    
But Paul - ALL the Wimbledon players love playing at Goodison!!

g
35.637(Royal) Blue is the ColourMOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Jan 18 1993 18:5525
        
>    If Kendall's going to play Cottee, he's got to be in until the end of
>    the season and given a proper run - rather than dropping him after one
>    bad game. 
    
	I think you're quite right Paul let's give the lad a fair run in
	the team, but who is he going to link up with in attack ...
	... Aaahh, wait a minute, I know just the man ....
    
>    Fashanu was on the radio on Saturday saying how much he likes Everton
>    and the manager and the supporters etc etc and how he'd love to come
>    and play at Goodison.... frightening....
    
	Yes that's it 'Fash the Bash'. What a target man, he's strong on
	the ball, a good 'battler', he's got an excellent goalscoring
	record, but, yes you've guessed it, there's one reason why he
	wouldn't fit in.

	That's right .... he's too tall !

	Regards

	Ian


35.638Derry City v Everton?GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Mon Jan 18 1993 20:216
    
    Paul, Are you sure about the Derry friendly?  Derry have a vital league
    of Ireland clash with Cork City on Sunday.  They'd be crazy to play
    the day before.
    
    Gary.
35.639EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyMon Jan 18 1993 20:279
    
    Gary,
    
    it was on the radio last Saturday - it could be Midweek or Friday, but
    I'm sure they said Saturday.
    
    Do you want me to check - or are you just asking ?
    
    Paul
35.640THERE,S ONLY ONE TONY COTTEE ...YOU WHAT...SIOG::DAWSONMon Jan 18 1993 20:3517
    
    OH AH TONY COTTEE !!!!
    
    I know it doesn,t rhymh but what the hell ..Is this the first time
    we have beaten leeds since they were promoted ??? I cant recall.
    
    Great win all the same and i might just start saving for the derby
    game .Same points are those across the park and climbing..
    
    Paul  could you find out about the derry game as i might just go to
    that one.
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    liam
35.641IS IT TOMORROW NIGHT ??SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 19 1993 11:4711
    
    I have heard a rumor that Everton take on Derry tomorrow night 
    
    
    can anyone confirm this ???
    
    
    
    Liam
    
    
35.642Everton play tomorrow nightGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Jan 19 1993 12:167
    
    Re -1,
    
    It's tomorrow night, 7.30 in the Brandywell.  If you want directions
    Liam, letme know.
    
    Gary.
35.643A BIT TOO FAR MID-WEEK I,M AFRAID...SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 19 1993 19:0824
    
    The papers today said that At last Gerry Peyton has been given a free
    transfer as Jason Kearton has been confirmed as number two .(three
    international keepers at goodison) to Southall.I thought he had left 
    ages ago.
    Graham sharp is supposidly on the move from Oldham to possibly tranmere
    (we let him go a year too early ,i think).
    
    Gary 
    there,s no way i,d make it to the brandywell tomorrow night i,ll just 
    have to settle for dalymount.This is not a test of my loyalties but
    traveling 180-190 miles for  a friendly where as dalymount is about 
    2 miles away and the game should be a cracker ...
    
    I heard another rumour that they could be playing drogheda or dundalk
    on friday  ?? any news on this ...
    
    The red sh@@@ at tolka on friday against the mighty shels ,i,ll be at
    that shouting for the Shels ....
    
    cheers
    
    Liam
     
35.644Only Playing Derry City..SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 19 1993 19:1510
    
    I have just had it confirmed that Everton are only playing one
    match in Ireland ,tomorrow night in the brandywell.
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
35.645Hope Derry v Everton is an improvement on last yearGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Jan 19 1993 20:278
    
    Liam,
    
    And you get to see both your favourite teams beat Liverpool as well.
      
    I presume you'll be at Shels v Liverpool on Friday.
    
    Gary.
35.646Come on you SHELS ........SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 19 1993 20:3517
    
    RE -1 
    
    Was that 0-0 or 5-0 ,my memory fails me ...yes Gary i,ll be in
    tolka park, in my usual seat,on friday to see the REDS beat the
    reds .
    
    Best of luck tomorrow night 
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
     
35.6470-0 I thinkGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Jan 19 1993 20:386
    
    I'm pretty sure Derry v Everton was a boring 0-0 draw.  It was
    certainly an awful game.  A friend of mine goes to all the Derry games
    and he said it was one of the worst he's ever seen.  
    
    Gary.
35.648Info PleaseESSB::BLONGEurope is Scouse FreeWed Jan 20 1993 18:2910
35.649EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyWed Jan 20 1993 19:0020
    Brian,

    unfortunately all games at Goodison are completely sold out weeks before
    - there may be a possibility of tickets for games in the middle of next
    season, but nothing at the moment....... :-)
    
    
    
    But seriously, there's no problem at all getting into Goodison
    nowadays- give me a shout if you're coming and we can meet for a beer
    before - providing I can rediscover my enthusiasm for football before
    then.
    
    Tranmere can't make up their mind whether to play on Friday's or
    Saturday's - I'll see if I can find out. (I know a few of Tranmere's
    home games are getting shifted to Sunday's for live coverage on
    Granada - that'll probably be one of them.....)
    
    Paul
35.650EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyThu Jan 21 1993 12:097
    
    Everton won 3-2 at Derry last night - Harper, Preece (who ?) and Ablett
    scored after Everton were 0-2 down at half-time.
    
    Did anyone go ? (or does anyone have a decent report)
    
    Paul
35.651And Were off to Goodison .....SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 22 1993 13:4319
    
    I didn,t go to the brandywell but i heard Everton very kindly gave
    Derry two goals up and stared to play afterthe break.Everton had 
    four changes in the second half.The scorers were Harper ,Ablett
    and Priest (who he) ??
    
    Sorry cant give a more detailed account.
    
    Paul
    there is a special offer in the daily star this week to travel to
    england for a punt and you can bring three mates .I am going to book
    today for the Blackburn game on the 13th of feb.There is no chance of
    them moving this to sunday ???
    I.ll talk to you sooner about meeting for  drink or six ...
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.652BLKPUD::WATTERSONPBy eck it's parkyFri Jan 22 1993 15:309
    
    Liam,
    
    I'm pretty certain it won't be on a Sunday - changing ths subject
    slightly,Everton have got Wimbledon away next week in the
    League(Tuesday or Wednesday) so the enthusiasm might be wavering again.
    I'll get the train in this time so I can have a few more beers.
    
    Paul
35.653Who else ?MILE::PRIESTAll at sea at SolentFri Jan 22 1993 17:383
    >    and Priest (who he) ??
    
    Sorry, no autographs.
35.654Will I wear that silly hat again ..no thanksSIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 22 1993 21:3012
    
    PAUL
    
    I wasgoing to suggest that ,about the train, I mean.We wont be staying
    the night but will be in liverpool until about 10:30 i think.
    There is proably no need to book the tickets in advance but could you 
    find out how much the train is from holyhead to lime st and the
    frequency of same..
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.655Too Good To Be True...SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 26 1993 00:1216
    
    I knew it was to good to be true ....
    The Everton v Blackburn game is now prosponed because Blackburn
    went and won their bloody f.a. cup match ,so they will play the
    next round on the 12th,13th or 14th  of feb.
    Anyone want ferry tickets for that weekend ????
    
    Paul
    I,m trying to get on the ferry for the sixth ,Everton vs Spurs.
    I was at this tie last year with great results 3-1 to the blues.
    
    I,ll let you know as soon as possible..
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.656Spurs Look Dodgy ...Tuesday 9Th mid week SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 26 1993 14:3712
    
    IT GETS WORSE !!!!
    
    The Spurs game is on tuesday 9th .How far is Birmingham from
    holyhead and whats the liklyhood of getting match tickets for
    the Villa ,now that they are flying high ????
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.657EBYGUM::WATTERSONPIt's MISTER IPS to you !!!Tue Jan 26 1993 14:4413
    
    The 9th of what ?
    
    It's probably only a couple of hours to Birmingham by train from
    Holyhead, you're as well to contact Goodison about tickets.
    
    Wimbledon away (again) tonight - should be a thrilling game with a
    record low attendance for a Premier league game. Snodin's back, but
    Ebbrell and Beagrie are injured. Rumours at the weekend that Leeds are
    after Southall - Kearton's only played a game and a half, so it's a bit
    soon to let Nev go.
        
    Paul
35.658FOR ENTERTAINMENT WATCH THE BAGGIESSUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupTue Jan 26 1993 14:5212
35.659EBYGUM::WATTERSONPIt's MISTER IPS to you !!!Tue Jan 26 1993 15:078
    
    Do they still have standing for away supporters at Villa Park ? I
    thought the Witton end is all-seating nowadays ?
    
    Who are West Brom playing that day ? - Crewe, Barnet, Chester ?  -I bet
    that'll be exciting........   :-)
    
    Paul
35.660Directions to the HawthornsGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Jan 26 1993 16:075
    
    Might be worth going to see West Brom Liam, you'll be playing them next
    season.  :-)
    
    Gary.
35.661Going Up, Going Up, Going UpMOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Jan 27 1993 11:2041
     <<< Note 35.659 by EBYGUM::WATTERSONP "It's MISTER IPS to you !!!" >>>
    
>    Do they still have standing for away supporters at Villa Park ? I
>    thought the Witton end is all-seating nowadays ?
    
	You're absolutely right Paul, this area is all seated now. I know
	because I was at the F.A. Cup 4th round game between Villa and
	Wimbledon (it finished 1 - 1 and Wimbledon very nearly sneaked a
	win). Wonderful isn't it, the first week-end I was able to see a
	match this season and Everton didn't have a game.


	Meanwhile, at the lowest attended top division game ever ! ...

	Wimbledon ... 1  Everton ... 3
	Fashanu		 Cottee (2)
			 Snodin

	Revenge is sweet eh !?!

	According to radio 5 the game was rather scrappy (what a suprise)
	with Wimbledon applying most of the pressure for the first hour.
	Then, with what was described as Everton's first serious attack,
	there was a blunder in the Wimbledon defence and Cottee nipped in
	to score his fifth goal of the season. Five minutes later and there
	was another Wimbledon error at the back which Cottee again latched
	on to to make it two nil to Everton. Then to end a devastating 12
	minute spell by the away team Ian Snodin was found with space in
	the penalty area and he slotted a low shot into the corner of the
	net to make it three nil. I couldn't believe it, and even a late
	consolation goal from Fashanu didn't spoil what was to be a great
	away win for Everton which catapults them up to 12th in the
	table (above Liverpool).

	That's three league wins on the trot and is Evertons best run
	of the season.

	Regards

	Ian

35.662SHAWB1::STOCKMANSWed Jan 27 1993 11:224
What was the attendance Ian?


Si
35.663EBYGUM::WATTERSONPIt's MISTER IPS to you !!!Wed Jan 27 1993 11:577
    
    Simon,
    
    I told you the attendance - 3039, yes I know Man Utd get a lot more
    than that at Selhurst Park, but have you ever been there ?
    
    Paul...
35.664SHAWB1::STOCKMANSWed Jan 27 1993 16:327
Ok Paul,

You got me on that one!

Yours sulkingly Si

			NOT!
35.665Keown on the move ,I hope not ...SIOG::DAWSONWed Jan 27 1993 19:4931
    
    GREAT WIN last night .
    The wombles are a hard team to get by .From listening to it on radio
    merseyside ,with Ed (stewpot)Stewart summarising ,the wombles should
    have had three before half time but whatever Howie said at half-time
    worked .Cottee got a brace (love that word) and Ian Snodin (my fav
    player) got the other .Fash the bash scored a consolation with a few
    minutes to go.Maybe this is the turning point where we go on to win
    the premier league ( stop laughing ,remember you heard it first here ).
    
    Ian/Paul
    
    I dont think i,ll go to the villa game after all ,as it involves
    a four hour wait at holyhead both coming and going ,a 39 pound
    train fair and a four hour journey each way .I,m getting tired 
    just saying it .
    I might make the spurs game on the tues 9th feb or failing that
    the Oldham game on the 27th feb.
    
    Paul 
    you mentioned about the article in the notw about Southall going
    to Leeds ,that will never happen I hope .But what about the one 
    about Plug Keown going to the arsenal.Now that could be on the cards
    I wouldn,t like it to happen ,but it,s more likely then ths Southall
    rumour.
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s Three points above the Red s**#$   I love it  8-)
35.666Why was it not the F.A.cup...SIOG::DAWSONWed Jan 27 1993 19:539
    
    re _1 
    
    I forgot to mention I would have swopped last nights result for 
    a win in the F.A cup..against the wombles ,but life is like that
    and then you die ....
    
    
    Liam
35.667Money no object !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Jan 28 1993 12:4830
	Going back a few notes there was mention of John Fashanu and how
	he apparently has a soft spot for Everton. Well having seen him
	play against the 'Villa' last week I must admit I was very
	impressed, as I said before (albeit tongue in cheek) he IS very
	strong on the ball, he showed good close control and is an
	excellent target man. His goal scoring record speaks for itself.
	I really think our Mr. Kendall could do alot worse than invest
	a few bob in this man, after all he's far too good for the Wombles,
	and he could forge a very good partnership with TC.

	Any views on this ?


	Paul,

	I am almost certainly going to the Aston Villa - Everton game on
	Feb 20th, Liam has now said he won't be going (I'm not suprised
	bearing in mind the time it would take him to get there) but are
	you thinking of going ?


	Regards

	Ian

	P.S.	While he's got his cheque book out Mr. K could splash out
		on Roy Keane to provide a bit of creativity in midfield 8^)
	

35.668BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's MISTER IPS to you !!!Thu Jan 28 1993 13:1215
35.669Fash for the Blues ..lets start a rumour ...SIOG::DAWSONThu Jan 28 1993 20:1717
    
    RE Last few ...
    I was only thinking about Fash going to the blues myself too,
    but I saw a program last year about fash and he is on humongous
    wages 5000 pounds a week I think .Could we afford that ??
    But he would be that special person to break the ice and i,m
    sure the fans would love him..
    
    just my two cents worth 
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. Norwich at home on saturday ,Should be a cracker ....
    
35.670BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersThu Jan 28 1993 20:2716
    
    Liam,
    
    going back a bit - what did you think of Radio merseyside's commentary
    the other night ? - I usually listen to Radio City, but they decided to
    have coverage of Tranmere's game (shame they got stuffed 5-1....)
    Anyway, I'll forgive Ed Stewart cos he was the only famous Evertonian
    when I was at school, but the other fella was useless, he got players
    mixed up, Saturday's opponents wrong and even mentioned Crystal Palace
    a few times.....
    
    Ian, what's the obsession with going to Villa, are you a closet
    Brummie ?
    
    Paul
                    
35.671Not on your nelly !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Jan 29 1993 11:1825
         <<< Note 35.670 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "Tax passive smokers" >>>

>    Ian, what's the obsession with going to Villa, are you a closet
>    Brummie ?
    
	Get away man !

	No, it's just that I used to work in the midlands and I've got
	a few friends who live there. Therefore when I do come back to
	blighty if there's a decent game on then I can see the match and
	visit a few of the old codgers as well.

	However, I'm really missing the hallowed turf of Goodison so
	I must pay it at least one visit before the end of the season.

	Good luck to the BLUES tomorrow against the high flying canaries,
	it's bound to be a tough game but I'm keeping my fingers crossed
	that Everton can continue their revival. Reception permitting I'll
	be following their progress on Radio 5.

	Regards

	Ian


35.672YUPPY::PANESthat nice Mr PanesFri Jan 29 1993 11:438
         <<< Note 35.670 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "Tax passive smokers" >>>

>    mixed up, Saturday's opponents wrong and even mentioned Crystal Palace
 
     A man of remakably good taste.

     Ooh-ahh Stuart                    

35.673Norwich tomorrow home win I hope...SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 29 1993 20:1420
    
    Paul
    
    The comentary on radio merseyside wasn,t bad compared with previous
    commentaries ...I cant get radio city over here ..usually it,s only
    second half interuptions that i get .It was great have stewpot 
    summarising ,he couldn,t help but let a roar when Everton scored .
    You are right about the other divy ,he said that we were playing 
    blackburn this weekend ,I thought we were playing norwich.Which
    we are ..
    Norwich looked good on the tele the other night but with three
    league wins on the trot I have to fancy us .No predictions though.
    It,s a pity that it wasn,t on mid-week we seem to play better in
    the dark .
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.674SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 29 1993 20:2314
    
    
    Paul
    
    I,m meeting some of the lads tonight to see what game we are likely 
    to go to .The special offer is closed the end of feb so i,ll let
    you know as soon as we decide anything..
    
    Are you going tomorrow ?? If so how about one of your unbiased
    (as usual ) reports ...
    
    
    
    Liam
35.675BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersFri Jan 29 1993 20:3710
    
    Liam,
    
    I can't go tomorrow - I'm working !!!
    See here for updates on WATTYTEXT
    
    Give us plenty of notice when you've decided which game you're over for
    and I'll have a few more beers this time.
    
    Paul 
35.676BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersSat Jan 30 1993 19:5410
    
    Everton 0-1 Norwich  Att 20,000ish
                Sutton 15
    
    Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, disappointing score, disappointing performace. Keown
    missed the game through injury and Snodin went off at half-time -
    Harper had a stinker, as did Rideout after he replaced Snodin.
    
    Paul
                
35.6778-(((MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Feb 01 1993 16:3430
         <<< Note 35.676 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "Tax passive smokers" >>>
    
>    Everton 0-1 Norwich  Att 20,000ish
>                Sutton 15
    
>    Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, disappointing score, disappointing performace.
                

	My sentiments entirely !

	According to the snatches of commentary I heard Everton were
	dreadful and apart from a couple of good chances which fell to
	Cottee and Beardsley late in the first half they simply didn't
	look like scoring.

	It wouldn't be quite as bad if the team had put on a really good
	display and had been unlucky, but to lose like this, especially
	after three straight wins (four if you count the friendly in
	Liamland), is just crazy ! So much for the confidence built up
	over the last couple of weeks.

	Paul, I understand that Kenny was brought into the midfield,
	do you know how he played, and have Everton got a mid-week
	fixture this week ? Thanks.

	Regards

	Ian


35.678Keown Gone GooningYUPPY::PATEMANOur Nige is Their Nige Now - Thank the LordMon Feb 01 1993 16:447
    In case you hadn't heard.....
    
    on the radio this lunchtime, Martin Keown has gone to the Arse for #2m.
    
    looks like bye bye Bould
    
    paul
35.679YUPPY::PANESRuts Peasants ( naga )Mon Feb 01 1993 16:4620
<<< Note 35.678 by YUPPY::PATEMAN "Our Nige is Their Nige Now - Thank the Lord" >>>
                            -< Keown Gone Gooning >-

>    In case you hadn't heard.....
    
>    on the radio this lunchtime, Martin Keown has gone to the Arse for #2m.
    
>    looks like bye bye Bould
 


   
    paul,


    presumably he is cup-tied for the semi.

  

    stuart
35.680BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersMon Feb 01 1993 16:5817
    
    Ian,
    
    Kenny must have had a quiet game, I don't remember him getting
    mentioned much on the radio - he has played a few good games and him
    and Snodin combine well. Sad news about Keown going back to the Arse,
    he's a class player and hopefully he'll do well - he always gave 100%
    for Everton, despite being f**ked about badly for the first few months
    at Goodison - hopefully that'll give Kendall the money to buy a big
    striker.
    
    A don't think there's a game this week - It's cup replay week.
    
    Are you back in the UK again then ?
    
    paul
    
35.681Soon to return to note 44 - a nicer class of noteYUPPY::PATEMANOur Nige is Their Nige Now - Thank the LordMon Feb 01 1993 17:0112
    Re -2
    
    Hope so, otherwise Eric Young will probably get fouled out for the
    season again :-)
    
    Seriously, he must have played for Everton against the Wombles (didn't
    they play them in the Coca Cola as well as they FA?)
    
    However, I presume he'll be playing in our last match of the season at
    the marble halls of highbury arts centre.
    
    Paul
35.682Goodbye-eee Goodbye-eee !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Feb 01 1993 18:5227
         <<< Note 35.680 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "Tax passive smokers" >>>

>    A don't think there's a game this week - It's cup replay week.
    
>    Are you back in the UK again then ?
    
	No, I'm not back for a few weeks (i.e. the game at Villa) I just
	wanted to know so that I could get the batteries charged up in
	the old tranny so I could listen to any commentary.

	It's very sad to see Martin Keown go, especially to Arsenal, but
	I suppose it's hardly suprising. He is a very good player and it
	must have been an incredibly frustrating season for him (we know
	the feeling !), anyway I wish him luck. It's crazy really, Everton
	sell one of their best players when they've any amount of old
	rubbish lying around that they could do with off-loading.

	Do you think that Mr. Kendall will be allowed to spend the money
	as if Everton are that much in debt won't it be used to reduce
	the overdraft a bit ? (Unless they can get their cheque book back
	from your wife!)

	Regards

	Ian
    

35.683BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersMon Feb 01 1993 20:419
    
    The money must be to spend, hopefully.....
    
    I can't see the debt being much of a problem - I'm sure the Moores
    family still have a large stake in Everton. Shame it had to be Keown,
    it could have been Harper, Horne, Rideout, Beagrie etc etc etc I reckon
    it'll be Southall, Beardsley and Cottee next
    
    Paul
35.684Would the last person leaving Goodison please ..SIOG::DAWSONMon Feb 01 1993 22:3927
    
    SICK SICK SICK ...
    
    What is Kendall up to ??? So we made a profit on Keown but for me
    He and Beardsley were the best players last season for us.Beardsley
    to Newcastle next eh ...Who is going to play at centre half now ??
    Ablett and Watson ?? I think Kendall must spend the money on young
    quality players who would die for the blues !!!!Billy Kenny seems
    a good prospect but he,s a midfielder anymore where he came from..
    
    Saturdays result was a sickener .Norwich played us off the park
    for the first twenty mins but Everton dominated after that but 
    Gunn decided to have a game of his life and we couldn,t put the 
    ball past him .Did you see Cottee,s chance at the end ????????
    
    We would be on the same points as Arsenal if we had won that and
    they still think they can win the league and we would have been
    three points ahead of Liverpool ,Now their above us on goal diff
    ence.
    
    Ah Well back to the drawing board ....
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.685EBYGUM::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersWed Feb 03 1993 13:2212
35.686What's happening ?!?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Feb 03 1993 15:5625
35.687TRUCKS::WARDRWed Feb 03 1993 16:041
    Did Sansom come from Newcastle ???
35.688BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersWed Feb 03 1993 16:099
    
    Dead serious Ian - frightening isn't it..... the good news is, it
    probably means the end for Harper.
    
    Ray, he was signed from Coventry - he's played 20 odd games for
    Coventry this season - he played for Coventry at Goodison and looked
    fat and slow, like half of Coventry's team.
    
    Paul
35.689King Kenny signs for the Blues ....????SIOG::DAWSONThu Feb 04 1993 12:0128
    
    $0m  for  Sanson !!!
    
    
    We were robbed ..
    
    Kendall squandering our money again ...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Paul
    
    I might be going to the spurs game on tuesday but wont know till
    saturday.Failing that i,ll defo go to the Oldham game on the 27th feb.
    Sorry cant give you a deffinate .
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.690Billy Kenny for The Repulic OF Ireland ...SIOG::DAWSONThu Feb 04 1993 12:0512
    
    
    Kendall heard everyone saying that Kenny is brilliant ,He thought 
    they were talking about kenny samson 8-)
    
    They were really talking about Billy Kenny ,Whom i heard is eligble
    to play for the Republic of Ireland .Now there,s a thing ..
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.691Everton 2 Liverpool 1BLKPUD::HUGHESSThu Feb 04 1993 13:3817
    Re.
    Paul Power. Whats he doing now, didn't he get a back room job at
    Everton or has he moved on. In his two years at Everton he did a
    fantastic job and infact displaced Sheedy from the left midfield
    slot,Sheedy playing in the middle when he was fit!
    
    I don't know if anyone saw but Everton were the club focused last night 
    on Sky's The Club program. Andy Gray and Duncan Mckenzie believe for
    one that Kendall's team are showing signs of getting things right.
    Andy was telling stories of team spirit in the dressing room with
    players like Peter Reid et al. Did you see today's team. They were all
    reading about themselves in the program and half of them wore Pink
    blazers ..Yuk.
    Peter Beardsley said how happy his time at Everton had been etc Que
    Transfer story involving him.
    
    Simon
35.692More Power to you !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Feb 04 1993 15:2923
                     <<< Note 35.691 by BLKPUD::HUGHESS >>>
                           -< Everton 2 Liverpool 1 >-

>    Re.
>    Paul Power. Whats he doing now ...


    Simon, as far as I know Paul Power was involved in the coaching set-up
	at Goodison when Mr. Harvey was in charge but I've got a feeling
	that when our Mr. Kendall returned he lost his job, and I've no
	idea what he's doing now. Perhaps Paul (Watty not Power) can
	throw some more light on the subject.

	By the way, did Everton have to part with ANY spondoolies for
	old Sansom (Daylight robbery if they did !), or did he come on
	a free ?

	Regards

	Ian



35.693Spurs Trip is all go ......SIOG::DAWSONThu Feb 04 1993 19:4019
    
    
    Paul
    
    
    I can now confirm that I,m going on tuesday 9th feb.We are being picked 
    up at holyhead by some members of the north wales branch of the support
    ers club ,who will bring us to chester and then we will travel to 
    MECCA with them .I know Goodison is almost sell-out these days but
    we will look up our friendly ticket agent when we get there 8-)8-)
    
    If you are going i,ll meet you in that pub, "THE ROYAL OAK " i think
    it was called ,and we will partake in some beerswilling.
    We travel back wednesday morning on the 4am ferry.(Are we mad or what
    ??) All for $1 for four of us ..
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.694BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersFri Feb 05 1993 12:3911
    
    Liam,
    
    I'll see you in the Royal Oak about 6:45ish - are you getting tickets
    in advance, or are you coming in the Paddock with the Scallys ?
    I haven't got a clue what happened to Paul Power, I suspect he went
    back to Maine Road - it's a shame he was on the coaching staff at the
    same time as those other coaching legends Mick Lyons and Terry
    Darracott.
    
    Paul
35.695Last train from Chester ...SIOG::DAWSONFri Feb 05 1993 20:0917
    
    PAUL
    
    I have only been to the st end (lots of times ) so I wouldn,t know
    the view either side of the pitch or the park end .We didn,t get
    tickets yet ,no need ,we will get them on the night .
    I,ll meet you in the pub as soon as i get there .Because we are getting
    a coach from chester i dont know what time i,ll be there .
    
    A little matter of Sheff wednes tomorrow and three points would set us 
    rolling again after a little hic-cup last week.
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    p.s. looking forward to tuesday already
35.696Duncan the Blue ......SIOG::DAWSONFri Feb 05 1993 21:1712
    
    Kendall is still interested in Duncan Ferguson from Dundee but is
    not prepared to budge on the $2m asking price.
    He is also looking at Chris Armstrong from Palace .
    
    
    
    We await anxiously ...
    
    
    
    Liam
35.697Neville Southall and the 10 Dwarfs?AIMTEC::WICKS_AMUP(pets) coming to ALL-IN-1 soon?Fri Feb 05 1993 23:571
    Isn't Duncan Ferguson a bit tall for Everton?
35.698Soon to be sharing the one brain cell at IbroxKIRKTN::JJACKI pray to MaccaSat Feb 06 1993 01:485
    re.last
    
    What he makes up for in height, he lacks in the brain cell department !
    
    
35.699On The Move,,,,,SIOG::DAWSONMon Feb 08 1993 11:4316
    
    AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
    
    
    Not withstanding getting hammered by sheffield ,but they only went
    and changed the spurs match to wednesday,after me booking the ferry
    on saturday.Paul can you confirm this ????? Two papers ths morning
    say Wednesday...
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    
    p.s. Did you see Cottee,s goal ...What a cracker .
35.700BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersMon Feb 08 1993 12:3011
    
    Yeh all the papers I saw said Wednesday... I call Goodison in a bit to
    confirm. Can you still make it over for Wednesday then ?
    
    Cottee's goal was superb, shame the rest of them couldn't do anything,
    Everton sounded well beaten - especially lacking in the middle at the
    back... surprise surprise. The latest rumour is that kendall is after
    John Scales the Wimbledon centre-half - so is the rest of the Premier
    league.
    
    Paul
35.701I,ll go anyway ...SIOG::DAWSONMon Feb 08 1993 14:077
    
    RE -1
    
    I,ll go anyway ,even if its on wednesday ..Will you make it ???
    
    
    Liam
35.702BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTax passive smokersMon Feb 08 1993 14:197
    
    Liam,
    
    It's defo Wednesday night - I'll be in the Royal Oak from about 6:30 -
    6:45 onwards....
    
    Paul
35.703Did you know ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Feb 11 1993 15:4919
	I take it that Paul and Liam are probably still in shock,
	hungover or just generally pissed off so I suppose I'd better
	put this note in ...

	Everton  ... 1  Tottenham Hotspur  ... 2
	Sansom          A spurs player
			Another spurs player

	Apparently Spurs just about deservered the victory (according to
	Radio 5) but Everton pressed hard and Cottee had a great shot in
	second half which hit the underside of the bar and came back out.

	By the way, I always said that Sansom was a good 'un 8^)

	Regards

	Ian

35.704EBYGUM::WATTERSONPStranded in DublinThu Feb 11 1993 17:2319
>>>	I take it that Paul and Liam are probably still in shock,
>>>	hungover or just generally pissed off so I suppose I'd better
>>>	put this note in ...
    
    
    Correct on all three - I should have stayed in Dublin yesterday rather
    than rush home for that load of sh*t. 
    
    Everton were awful and Tottenham weren't much better but could have
    scored a couple more at the end. Harper, Horne and Rideout were
    embaressing, Kenny went off injured, Cottee was quiet appart from a
    suberb shot that hit the inside of the post - Sansom and Ablett were
    Everton's best players - that sums the game up really. I can't remember
    much more I was suffering with a hangover and frost-bite.
    
    Liam, what happened to you in the Royal Oak after the game ?
    
    Paul
        
35.705What a load of rubbish !!!!!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Feb 12 1993 14:3717
    
    RE -1 
    
    I,m only back today .I agree completly with Paul about the match
    What a load of rubbish.Sanson made a good home debut but only 
    Ablett and Cottee (in patchs) can justify their wages ..
    more about the match later .
    Paul  I scoured the pub before the match and couln,t find you.
    We were late leaving the ground and we had to run to catch our
    coach to Ellesmere port.So i never made it back to the royal oak.
    
    Maybe next year ,because i,m f#$%^$@# if i,m going back to Goodison
    this year to be served up that rubbish .
    
    disgusted
    
    Liam
35.706Tickets URGENTLY needed.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEPool-73,76,77,79,80,82-4,86,88,90Wed Feb 17 1993 19:545
  
       I have already put a plea into the Liverpool note for two tickets for
the game against Everton on March 20th. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

        Cunno
35.707pah !BLKPUD::WATTERSONPanother day another billWed Feb 17 1993 20:544
    
    See the Liverpool note......
    
    Paul
35.708You'll only be disappointed ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Feb 19 1993 13:2924
	Well the day's (nearly) arrived !
	Yes folks I'm off to see the greatest football team in the land,
	(who am I kidding ?) at Villa Park, and I don't mean Big Ron's
	boys.

	That's right it's Villa v Everton time and although I'm not
	anticipating anything spectacular against the current league
	leaders, hopefully it will be a decent game, and anyway it
	will be good to see the BLUES again. It will be interesting
	to see how Kenny Sansom fits in and how the defence plays
	without Keown.

	Paul/Liam, have you heard any team news, is Snodin fit again
	and will Big Nev start his suspension.

	Oooh, I'm getting excited already. A match report will follow
	on Monday (unless Everton lose when it will be a couple of
	lines and probably won't appear until Thursday).

	Regards

	Ian

35.709EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billFri Feb 19 1993 16:1110
    
    Ian,
    
    have fun tomorrow....
    
    Nev, starts his suspension at Villa - so Kearton's in - Kenny's still
    doubtful - I haven't heard anything about Snodin, so I presume he's
    still out.                         
    
    Paul
35.710Kendall Out .......Well maybe !!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONMon Feb 22 1993 11:3624
    
    
    After my self-imposed week,s abstinence i,m back but nothing has
    changed .I feel sorry for you Ian for travelling so far for so little.
    I wont prempt your match report but from the low-lights on match of the 
    day you will see what myself and Paul have been talking about.Lack of 
    ideas ,lack of height ,lack of everything ....The scoreline seemed to
    flatter us .
    
    The question must be asked   "Have we got the bottle for a relegation
    dogfight ???"
    
    Poor old Kendall seemed puzzled and bemused in his interview after the
    match ,Maybe it is time for him to go........
    
    
    Sad day for Evertonians Everywhere ..
    
    
    
               cheers
    
                        Liam
    
35.711It all ended in tears .. 8^(MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Feb 22 1993 18:4645
	Aston Villa ... 2  Everton ... 1
	Cox		   Beardsley (Pen)
	Barret

	Disappointing or what ?

	The game was as good as over after about twenty minutes when
	Villa scored their second goal. From where I was sitting Kearton
	was completely at fault, he was out of position when the shot
	came in from Barret but I still feel he could have got to it if
	he'd tried, but he obviously thought the ball was going wide so
	he stood and watched it ... drop into the net. Shortly afterwards
	Everton were awarded a dubious penalty which Beardsley put away
	with great confidence. That made it 2-1 and I thought that at
	least we might have a fighting chance but the penalty kick proved
	to be Everton's ONLY goal attempt in a first half dominated by
	Villa.
	To be fair to the BLUES they played with alot more purpose in the
	second half and with the introduction of Stuart Barlow we actually
	carried some threat to the Villa penalty area. The trouble was
	that the penalty area was about as far as any threat got and in
	front of goal we looked totally inept. Barlow does look a good
	player though, he showed excellent control, was prepared to take
	people on and has a good turn of pace, the question is why the
	hell wasn't he on from the start.
	In the end 2-1 was probably a fair result, although if Kenny Sansom
	hadn't (miraculously) cleared off the line, Villa hadn't had a
	pretty good penalty claim turned down and Yorke's goal hadn't been
	disallowed for offside then things could have been alot worse.


	Things to think about:

	1.  WHY wasn't Barlow in the team to start with ?
	2.  WHY was Johnstone in the time to start with ?
	3.  WHY is Barry Horne employed as a footballer by ANYBODY ?
	4.  WHY hasn't Kenny Sansom retired yet ?

	More thoughts later in the week.

	Regards

	Ian
	
35.712TRUCKS::WARDRMon Feb 22 1993 21:034
    Partick will take Johnston back if you don't want him - they've changed
    the combination on the lockers with the track suits at Firhill ..
    
    Ray
35.713aarrrrrggggghhhhh !!!!BLKPUD::WATTERSONPanother day another billTue Feb 23 1993 00:5218
    
    
    It's getting worse - I don't want to start panicking, but unless
    anything happens, Everton will be relegated - end of story. I can't see
    where the players that are there at the moment will win another game.
    The transfer deadline is in March sometime, so Kendall has to buy NOW !
    
    2-1 was a travesty, Everton were never in the game and only because of
    a poor ref. did they keep the score down to that....
    
    Relegation this season will be a disaster, next season, there will be
    three down and only one up, so if Everton do go down, I can see them
    being out of the Premier league for a few years.
    
    I'll go and cheer myself up with some Joy Division......
    
    Paul 
                                                                           
35.714BLKPUD::WATTERSONPanother day another billWed Feb 24 1993 00:3510
    
    Still no sign of any new signings....
    
    David Unsworth has been selected for the England
    youth team squad to play in the world championship
    in (I think) Australia. 
    
    I wonder why they didn't take Kenny Sansom as well............
    
    Paul
35.715Thought(s) for the day ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Feb 25 1993 11:4642
	To continue my thoughts on the match last saturday, it was
	really interesting to compare the styles/skill levels of Everton
	and Villa. While, at times,  Everton played some neat passing
	football it was always condensed into an area about 15-20 yards
	either side of the half way line. They seemed to have absolutely
	NO idea how to convert this possession into attacking chances and
	it often resulted in either a high ball towards Villa's penalty area
	where there were no forwards to capitalise on it, or Villa tackling
	back and creating a chance of their own. This was particularly
	the case in the first half when Cottee and Johnston didn't have
	a *!@^&* clue, but in the second half Stuart Barlow was able to
	pick up on these high balls and control them, or run at the
	defence from midfield which caused Villa alot of problems.

	Paul/Liam what do you think of Barlow, was this just a one off
	or has he been playing well when you've seen him ?

	At the back Everton seemed a bit nervous to say the least but I
	thought Matt Jackson showed some good touches, perhaps he's
	regained some of his confidence, and I understand he's back in
	the England U21 set up again. I don't know about the central
	defence partnership of Watson and Ablett, they didn't seem to
	have a very good understanding between them but perhaps it will
	come in time (the trouble is Everton havn't got much time).

	Villa, on the other hand, were much more direct and more
	penetrating. Every time they attacked they looked dangerous as
	they always had forwards ready to receive the ball and the support
	was very quick in arriving from midfield ... Everton could
	definitely learn something there. The trouble is though that you
	have to have the players capable of doing this and I don't think
	we have at the moment. Depressing eh ?

	Enough for now, more later.

	Regards

	Ian

	
	
35.716EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billThu Feb 25 1993 17:4510
    
    Ian,
    
    what p*sses me off about Everton is the total lack of anyone running
    off the ball - when anyone has the ball the only options are knock the
    ball square or backwards or hoof it forward - I struggle to remember
    the last time Everton created a goal. Barlow's speed's a plus, but he
    doesn't seem to have the composure - maybe it'll come, but I'm dubious.
    
    Paul
35.717EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billFri Feb 26 1993 17:2012
    
    
    Things are getting even worse......
    
    Everton reserves lost 10-3 (yes 10) at Derby reserves last night, the
    worst thing is Everton had EIGHT first team players playing !!!
    
    Rideout, Barlow, Preki, Warzycha, Ward and Hinchliffe (and some others
    played), if these b*stards aren't prepared to fight to regain their
    first team place, what chance have Everton got of avaoiding relegation.
    
    Paul
35.718Wher e are Derby at the moment?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Feb 26 1993 17:315
re -1

Says a bit about the Derby reserves too?

                             James.
35.719EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billFri Feb 26 1993 17:577
    
    I haven't seen the table for a while, but up to a few weeks ago,
    Everton were running away with the 'Pontins league division II',
    according to the radio this morning the game was billed as a title
    deceider.
    
    Paul
35.720Response 'blowing up' jibes, Paul ;-)PLUNDR::MORANToon ArmyFri Feb 26 1993 18:3815
    
    I think it's indicative of Everton's current demise that their reserve
    team is playing in division 2 of the pontins league. Hell, *even*
    Newcastle's reserves are in div 1.
    
    Buying one or two people won't solve Everton's troubles this season.
    The only thing that can (imho), is to sack the manager and replace him. 
    The players appear to have lost all faith in Kendall and are not
    competing for the team. A change in managment may just rekindle their
    spirits.
    
    Having said that, who would want the Everton job at the mo (no money, no
    decent players' -Beardsley & Southall excepted)?
    
    Tim
35.721Blues Take on the Latics...SIOG::DAWSONFri Feb 26 1993 19:4314
    
    Tough one tomorrow ..
    
    If we dont win we can book our place in the 1st division.
    I agree with everyone who says the players are not interested..
    After seeing them play twice there is obviously a moral problem.
    Kendall would want to SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT..........
    
    
    nervous 
    
    
    Liam
    
35.722EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billFri Feb 26 1993 20:1417
>>    I think it's indicative of Everton's current demise that their reserve
>>    team is playing in division 2 of the pontins league. Hell, *even*
>>    Newcastle's reserves are in div 1.
    
    Correct - Everton went down last season, losing out on goal difference
    to Rotherham.....
    
    The situation's been getting worse for the last few years, Harvey
    started it, but Kendall's done nothing to halt things - not just the
    first team, but the whole club. In the past, Everton always did fairly
    well in the central (reserve) league and the FA youth cup, but last
    season they struggled to get 11 players for reserve games - half the
    time the team was full of YTS kids.
    
    I'm sure a good 5-0 win tomorrow will restore confidence.........
    
    Paul
35.723it's a jokeEBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billMon Mar 01 1993 13:0412
    
    It gets worse - 2-0 up and coasting to an easy victory, then what
    happens - Everton conceed two goals in the last three minutes -
    unbelievable.
    
    Blackburn at home on Wednesday - another great opportunity to drop
    three points.
    
    Can any Newcastle supporters lend me their 'Guide to First Division
    grounds' book ?
    
    Paul
35.724PLUNDR::MORANToon ArmyMon Mar 01 1993 13:157
>       Can any Newcastle supporters lend me their 'Guide to First Division
>       grounds' book ?
    
    Sure Paul, you can have mine. Doesn't look like I'm going to need it
    for a while. ;-)
    
    Tim
35.725Shame on them ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Mar 01 1993 14:2532
	Everton ... 2     Oldham Athletic ... 2
	Beardsley (Pen)	  Adams 2 (?)
	Barlow

	I was going to say 'I couldn't believe it' but judging by what's
	been happening lately perhaps I can.

	What an absolute disgrace, 2 goals up with three minutes to go,
	did Everton think they'd done enough for an afternoon's work and
	troop off for an early bath ... were they too cold .... was there
	something good on the telly ? If a team of so-called professionals
	can't concentrate for the whole game, not just part of it, then
	there is something drastically wrong. Mind you if the reserves are
	currently losing games 10 - 3 then do you really want to bring any
	of THEM into the 1st team.

	Paul, did you go, or did you have an ENJOYABLE Saturday afternoon ?

	Fortunately I couldn't hear anything on Radio 5 this weekend
	(atmospheric conditions you know), so I've only found out about
	this today. I suppose 1 point is better than nothing but talk
	about throwing 2 points away !

	Something's gotta change !!!!

	Regards

	Ian



35.726noEBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billMon Mar 01 1993 14:477
>>>	Paul, did you go, or did you have an ENJOYABLE Saturday afternoon ?
    
    Ian,
    
    my 'stay away until things improve' campaign continues.....
    
    Paul$at_sainsburys_on_a_saturday_afternoon
35.727Sainsbury's United !!MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Mar 01 1993 15:0911
    
    
>>    my 'stay away until things improve' campaign continues.....
    
>>    Paul$at_sainsburys_on_a_saturday_afternoon


	It looks like you could be staying away for some time  8^((((

	Ian

35.728"ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ".....SIOG::DAWSONWed Mar 03 1993 11:4826
    
    As an Everton fan you become an eternal optimist but it,s getting 
    harder.I honestly cant see Everton playing in the premier league
    next year .They havent got the bottle for a relagation battle as 
    proven with last saturdays debacle .
    We were the last team unbeaten at the start of this season and look
    at us now .
    Paul  whats the feeling about Kendall on merseyside ???
    You are right when you said Harvey started the rot ,squandering 
    12 million on crap ,but if you look at the team sheet there is 
    only two or three players from that era left ,so Kendall must take 
    the blame !!!1
    
    Blackburn tonight and you would have to believe in miracles to expect
    a result ,especially with our recent home form .
    
    
    I cant blame you for staying away ,but i know in your heart ,like
    myself  "once a blue always a blue " and we will support them all
    the way to the  beezer home league or what ever its called ....
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
                    Liam
35.729EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billWed Mar 03 1993 13:3013
>>>    Paul  whats the feeling about Kendall on merseyside ???
    
    Liam,
    
    nobody seems to give a sh*t - there's no big 'Kendall out' campaign and
    very few letters in the footy echo. The main topic at the moment is
    'who was Merseyside's greatest penalty taker' - sad but true.
    
    Mark Ward's back tonight - six months after he broke his leg against
    Blackburn at Ewood Park and Nev returns to make his 400th League
    appearance.
    
    Paul
35.730Southall hasn,t lost his sense of humour...SIOG::DAWSONWed Mar 03 1993 17:0813
    
    RE -1
     I never thought we would miss Ward but his tenacity was ,maybe he
    could show the others a bit of heart...
    
    Classic quote from Southall "  I cant see Everton going down but
    then again I wasn,t the captain of the titanic "
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
35.731Quick question !!!!!KIRKTN::CDOUDIEI'm virtually real !!!Wed Mar 03 1993 17:405
    
    Is that numpty Mo Johnston still at Everton and if he is is he getting
    a game ????
    
    colin
35.732EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billWed Mar 03 1993 17:437
>>    Is that numpty Mo Johnston still at Everton and if he is is he getting
>>    a game ????
    
    Yip - played at Villa the other week (and for the reserves in the 10-3
    drubbing at Derby)
    
    Paul
35.733Everton are down but not outSHAWB1::HUGHESSWed Mar 03 1993 17:5735
    Everton to win tonight but still go down :-(
    
    Everton's problem stems from the fact they have let a lot of very good
    players go before they've reached their peak and apart from a few
    exceptions replaced them with CRAP notably Sansom.
    
    Ex Everton team from the Prem league that would probably stay up
    
    				Mimms
         
    	Burrows		Van den Hauwe  	Keown		  Pointon
    
    
    	(Nevin)		Richardson	McMahon           Adams
    
    			Sharp  	Newell
    							 
    Inc. Milligan
    	 Marshall
    	 Mcdonald
    	 Youlds
    	 Reid
    	 Wilkinson
         Megson
         
    Not to mention the three greats at Rangers Stevens Steven McCall.
    
    
    And you could do the same in every division of ex -evertonions still
    playing. I know you'll say some of these players wanted to go and it
    seemed a good decision at the time but honestly wouldn't this team do
    any worse than the current one. 
    
    
    Simon (its our turn this year).
35.734slip slidin' awayWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticWed Mar 03 1993 18:0715
    re -1
    
    Simon,
    
    I seem to remember earlier this season that HK said Everton would win the
    League. Ever since that statement it has been down hill.
    
    You still need a taller forward as you have the providers in Barlow and
    Beardsley etc, and also along the lines of the pool you need a solid
    midfielder like McMahon(even though I hate him) to win the ball for you
    we shall see, maybe it might be a battle between the merseyside giants
    as to who will be in the Premier next season.. Liverpool, Everton or
    TRANMERE....
    
    mac
35.735TRUCKS::SANTNostalgia *is* what it used to be...Thu Mar 04 1993 11:4716
    
    	*****NEWFLASH*****
    
    
    	
    
    
    
    	Everton win a League match.
    
    	Everton (small club, poor following..) 2 
    	Blackburn (extremely rich club, enjoying success..) 1
    
    	More later from our man on the spot...
                          
    	****NEWSFLASH*****
35.736Howard's End will be delayedPANIC::ANDERSONThe original MagpiesThu Mar 04 1993 12:0718
    
    Re :  <<< Note 35.735 by TRUCKS::SANT >>>

>>	More later from our man on the spot...
                          
    Nah, surely not Andy, there aren't any Evertonians on the spot any more
    ......
    
    
    
    ......except HK of course
    
    Rob
    
    ....and you really must stop winding Paul up (Small club indeed !!)
    
    
  
35.737EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billThu Mar 04 1993 12:4124
    
    Small club - pah !!!
    
    $ Set mode/cunno 
    
    Everton's League championships since 1967
    
    1969-70
    1984-85
    1986-87
    
    $ set mode/human
    
    Everton     2-1  'Some woolyback nomarks with loads of money' 
    Hendrie OG
    Cottee
    
    
    At least it's a win and three points AND Everton actually battled for a
    change - two tough away games coming up, Coventry then Chelsea. Four
    points from them two and I might start to think Everton can avoid the
    drop.
    
    Paul
35.738PLUNDR::MORANToon ArmyThu Mar 04 1993 17:5911
    
    Good result for Everton, but Blackburn haven't exactly been exhibiting top 
    5 form recently and they were without Kevin Moran.
    
    Why did you let Bracewell go? Was it because management thought he was
    past his best after the Billy Whitehurst injury (I was at St. James'
    that day, terrible tackle, Beardsley scored a terrific goal). Anyway,
    seen as he's superflouous at St. James', why not but him back? He could
    be the kind of player Everton need to get out of trouble.
    
    Tim
35.739EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billThu Mar 04 1993 20:038
    
    He was like Ratcliffe (and Sheedy and Heath), in that he never really
    recovered his pre-injury form. It was obvious last season during
    Sunderland's cup run that he is now only capable of playing 60 minutes.
    
    Shame really, him and Reidy in midfield were superb in 1985/86.
        
    Paul
35.740.. and about time to ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Mar 05 1993 11:3816
	Phew ! ... yesterday was so busy I didn't even get time to put
	a note in to say ... YEAH !!!!!! Everton have won a game !

	Well done to the BLUES, I haven't got a clue what the match was
	like or how well (or not) we played but any sort of win is
	precious at this stage of the season, and it sounds from what
	Paul was saying that at least Everton battled hard.

	Is it Coventry away on saturday ? If so that may be a difficult
	one as Everton always seem to have problems at Highfield Road.

	Regards

	Ian

35.741Rideout on the move ??????????SIOG::DAWSONFri Mar 05 1993 12:0122
    
    Good win on Weds night ,Every win now moves us up a place or two in the
    table .We are now in good company on 36 points with leeds and
    liverpool.
    Good to see a bit of bite ,maybe Wardy did the trick ,one of the 
    papers said he was sparkling ..(now there a superlative).
    Another paper gave Barlow motm ..If he and Cottee are left in the
    side they might make up for our inadequite (sp) midfield.
    
    Rumours abound that Rideout is on the move ,southhampton or sunderland
    are the clubs supposed to be interested but cant agree the price of
    a full kit plus two tracksuits for the subs and a leather football.
    Kendall should forego the leather ball and take the deal 8-)8-)..
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    P.S   Ian  the coventry match is live on sky on sunday at 4.00 pm.
    
35.742EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billMon Mar 08 1993 13:0625
    
    Coventry 0-1 Everton   Att 11.000ish - live on SKY at 12:30
                 Ward 8
    
    A good win and a good performance, probably the best performance by
    Everton since Sept/Oct time - Basically the same team that beat
    Blackburn in midweek with Ward, Ebbrell, Snodin and Horne making up the
    midfield - all four had good games (even Horne) and Everton looked well
    in control until Snodin was replaced by Preki with about 20 minutes to
    go - that upset the balance and Coventry had a couple of chances, but
    never really looked like scoring (except Quinn's disallowed effort).
    
    Ward's goal was a cracking volley from the edge of the area, he's
    played well in the two games since he came back and he and Ebbrell have
    made a big difference in midfield. Cottee worked his b*llocks off and
    his overall play was superb - unfortunatly he didn't get any real
    chances, hopefully Kendall will give him a new contract and a long run
    in the first team.
    
    Two relegation battles coming up with Forest at home then Liverpool
    away (and Chelsea away on Wednesday), if Everton keep playing like
    that, they should get something from all three games.
    
    Paul - confident that Everton will avoid relegation now
                                                         
35.743It's all 8^) now !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Mar 08 1993 20:2825
    
>>    Paul - confident that Everton will avoid relegation now
                                                         
	Well what a difference two games can make. Two wins, Six points,
	Up to 15th place (Wow !), and ABOVE Liverpool !!!!

	It seems that having Mark Ward and Big Nev back in the side
	has made a great difference and it's a pleasant change to read
	something good about Everton at last.

	I saw Ward's goal on TV and it was superb, a terrific volley from
	about 12 yards. I also thought Beardsley was unlucky not to
	score with his header and what a brilliant save by Nev from
	a Coventry free kick.

	However, I'm not going to get over excited because it could be
	back down to earth with a thud on Wednesday, who knows ? But for
	the time being it's a great relief.

	Regards

	Ian



35.744.. and Liverpool won as well ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Mar 11 1993 11:0521
>>						..... it could be
>>	back down to earth with a thud on Wednesday .....

	It was !

	Chelsea .. 2  Everton .. 1

	I just caught the score on the radio this morning and apparently
	Chelsea were very lucky. A chelsea player admitted after the
	game that the winning goal went in off his hand but he also
	said it was accidental, '... well he would wouldn't he ...' .

	I'm afraid that's all I know, Paul/Liam any more information
	would be appreciated.

	Regards

	Ian


35.745EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billThu Mar 11 1993 15:2628
    
    Ian,
    
    I was there (well there glued to Radio City in the sitting room
    watching the teletext subtitles on Brookside anyway..)
    
    Here's a summary - 
    
    Ebbrell and Snodin were out, so Beardsley dropped into midfield with
    Barlow and Cottee up front, Kenny came back into midfield. The first
    half was awful, Chelsea made a few attempts to score, but it sounded
    like it was destined to be a 0-0 draw. Fleck got injured and was
    replaced by some bloke call Spencer - he created Chelsea's first goal,
    but it look like Nev was at fault on the box. Everton hit straight back
    and Kenny scored his first senior goal four minutes after Chelsea's
    just before half-time. 
    
    Everton played much better in the second half and only some poor
    finishing from Cottee and some good saves from Beasant denied Everton
    the winner. Unfortunately, Chelsea got the winner with ten minutes to
    go when Stuart got through the middle - the radio (and teletext and
    Kendall) claimed he clearly handled the ball, but it wasn't that
    obvious on telly, and set up Spencer. Everton played well enough to
    win, but couldn't take their chances. Hopefully both Snodin and Ebbrell
    will be back on Saturday when Everton must beat Forest or they're back
    in the **** again.
    
    Paul
35.746We must win at Forrest ..........SIOG::DAWSONThu Mar 11 1993 15:5114
    
    Lets write Everton off again ...It seems to spur them to victory .
    Just when we were starting a run ,we get beaten in a game we maybe
    should have one.I say the hand-ball incident on tele ,although stewart
    didn,t mean it ,the hand ball decieved the defender and he was clear on
    goal.But having said that it wasn,t blatant and happens many times in
    almost every game.
    Forrest on saturday and if we win,it will surely mean the drop for
    forrest .If we lose it puts us in trouble again .......
    
    Nail-biting time for the Blues ..........
    
    
    Liam
35.747New Faces ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Mar 11 1993 17:0625
	Paul/Liam

	Thanks for the information.

	From what you were saying do you think Everton still need a
	new striker. I thought that perhaps the Cottee / Barlow
	combination would perhaps be good enough once they developed
	an understanding. It seems though that Barlow is in and out of
	the team (I don't know why that is as he's a damn sight better
	player than either Johnston or Rideout, unless it's due to
	injury) and it can't be doing his confidence OR the striking
	pairs understanding any good at all.

	If Mr. Kendall is on the lookout for new players I think he'd
	better act quickly, isn't the transfer deadline coming up VERY
	soon ?

	As you both say the Forest game on Samedi is CRITICAL and one
	we must win (Please..please..please....)

	Regards

	Ian

35.748EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billThu Mar 11 1993 17:1716
    
    Ian,
    
    I'd have Cottee in the team anytime, I'm still not sure about Barlow,
    his pace is a plus, but I'm still dubious about his 'bottle'. The
    midfield is the important area at the moment - the way they played at
    Coventry (and apparently against Blackburn) was very encouraging - if
    only Snodin could play two games a week and Horne didn't get a nose
    bleed everytime he gets the ball near the box... I'd still like to see
    Kendall buy another striker, even just to give him another option - at
    the moment it seems to be bung Watson up front if they're struggling,
    this causes defences problems, but also leaves Everton weak at the
    back. Having said that, Chelsea had Harford then Cascarino (two big
    men) on last night and neither caused any problems.
    
    Paul
35.749On the rise ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Mar 15 1993 17:0225
	Everton ... 3  Nottm Forest ... 0
	Cottee (2)
	Hinchcliffe

	I can't understand it, it's been awfully quiet in here and that's
	after a WIN !!! (  Well perhaps Paul and Liam are off today -
	maybe through shock 8^)  )

	From what I can tell Everton were well worth the win, apparently
	it should have been by alot more, and Forest were dreadful. We've
	now joined a clump of teams on 42 points, a few clear of the
	danger area but having played 2 or 3 games more than the teams
	below us.

	Oh well it's good news and nice to see Hinchcliffe back in the
	team, and scoring as well. I also see that David (?) Unsworth is
	in the England team that has reached the last 4 of the youth
	world cup in Australia. I don't really know anything about him
	perhaps Paul/Liam can give me some info.

	Regards

	Ian

35.750EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billMon Mar 15 1993 18:0134
35.751Rumour ?, what rumour ??MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Mar 15 1993 18:2525
35.752EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billMon Mar 15 1993 18:5016
        
    'reared it's ugly head' is just one of my extremely limited phrases...
    
    I'd love to see Fashanu at Goodison, if and when Everton do finally
    sign (another*) black player - he'll have to have a strong character
    to cope with the pressures. Love him or loathe him, Fashanu's
    definately got character.
    
    It was in that bastion of truth and top rate journalism the 'News of
    the World'...(just after this week's dirty vicar story) I didn't buy it
    I found it on a train... honest.
    
    * Cliff Marshall played about 6 games for Everton in 1975
    
    
    Paul
35.753Extra ! Read all about it ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon Mar 15 1993 19:0313
    
>>    It was in that bastion of truth and top rate journalism the 'News of
>>    the World'...(just after this week's dirty vicar story) I didn't buy it
>>    I found it on a train... honest.
    
	.. and I thought there might be some truth in it '-) , and
	I've told you before about loitering on trains picking up old
	newspapers ..

	Regards

	Ian

35.754BRING ON THE REDS .........SIOG::DAWSONMon Mar 15 1993 23:4419
    
    GREAT WIN for the Blues on saturday and they even showed it on match of
    the day ...
    We badly needed it ,now if only we could do the double on the reds 
    next weekend .I see the match is not on live on tele ?? this must be
    a first.Also without been too optimistic when was the last time we did
    the double on liverpool (if ever )???
    
    Re the Fashnu story ,I would love him to come to Goodison and your 
    right Paul ,the next coloured player will need some character and he
    has plenty ,scores some goals ,and is a fans favorite ..I wouldn,t like
    to see either Barlow or Kenny going in exchange .How about
    Rideout,Johnson and Beagrie eh !!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.755Cheap at half the price ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Mar 16 1993 11:5124
    
>>    Re the Fashnu story ,I would love him to come to Goodison and your 
>>    right Paul ,the next coloured player will need some character and he
>>    has plenty ,scores some goals ,and is a fans favorite ..I wouldn,t like
>>    to see either Barlow or Kenny going in exchange .How about
>>    Rideout,Johnson and Beagrie eh !!!!!!!!
    
	Good idea Liam, I wonder if we can get rid of Sansom and Harper
	to (that would please Paul). I'm a bit confused about the price
	being talked about though (750,000 sponds) as only a few months
	ago I read an article where Sam Hassan (Sp) was quoted as saying
	he thought Fashanu was worth 12 million, mind you he's saying that
	about John Scales now. Anyway at the asking price I think Everton
	would get quite a good deal. Does anyone know how old Fashanu
	is, has he got a good few seasons left in him ?

	Paul/Liam could one of you post Everton's remaining fixtures please
	as I want to see the Blues again before the end of the season
	and I will have to start thinking about planning the trip. Thanks.

	Regards

	Ian

35.756EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billTue Mar 16 1993 14:3121
   Ian,
    
    here's the fixtures - I think there may be a few missing - Everton have
    got more than eight games left haven't they ?
    
    
    
20	Liverpool	A
23	Ipswich		H

Apr	

3	Sheff Utd	H
10 	Middlesboro	A
12	QPR		H
17	Southampton	A

May

1	Arsenal		H
8	Man City	A
35.757And now, the end is near ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Mar 16 1993 15:5121
	Paul,

	Thanks for the fixtures, and eight games sounds about right as
	Everton have played 34 games to date.

	The only game I may be able to get back for is the Southampton
	match on April 17th which may not sound too inspiring but
	Everton have done very well there over the past few seasons.
	I remember being there for the 4-3 victory a couple of seasons
	ago (or was it last season I can't recall), and what a thriller
	that was !

	Although I may be able to make the Arsenal game on May 1st, after
	all I can't go a whole season without visiting mecca (queue
	bingo comments).

	Regards

	Ian

35.758EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billTue Mar 16 1993 17:1310
    
    Ian,
    
    wasn't the 4-3 when Newell scored a cracking own-goal (header from the
    edge of his own box) I went to that, McCall scored a cracker aswell if I
    remember rightly, anyway, it wasn't last year - Everton won 2-1 there
    just after new year. 
    
    Paul
    
35.759EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billTue Mar 16 1993 17:437
35.760Through the mists of time ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Mar 16 1993 17:4921
    
>>    wasn't the 4-3 when Newell scored a cracking own-goal (header from the
>>    edge of his own box) I went to that, McCall scored a cracker aswell if I
>>    remember rightly, anyway, it wasn't last year - Everton won 2-1 there
>>    just after new year. 
    
	You're absolutely right ! It was the best goal I saw Newell score,
	just a pity it was in our own net 8^( . I took an Austalian guy
	who I was working with along and it was the first PROPER football
	match he'd ever seen. He was so impressed that he said he was
	going to follow our football when he got back home, not that
	Australian (NO)rules rubbish. I hope he's still got the Everton
	scarf I gave him as a souvenier.

	Now I remember ! I was at the 2-1 game as well when Everton
	won pretty convincingly, I think it may have been on New Years Day.

	Regards

	Ian

35.761I don't make predictions ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Mar 19 1993 13:1617
	Well derby day is almost upon us and I must pop a note in to
	say good luck to the BLUES for Saturday. Everton have been playing
	well just lately but Liverpool have also been improving slightly
	so it will probably be a close match (aren't they always ?).

	Have a good time Paul, Oh and if you see Cunno ... ah .. yes
	he couldn't get a ticket could he .. oh well never mind.

	Is there any activity on the transfer front yet, I think the
	deadline is coming up next Thursday (?) so our Mr. Kendall
	had better move quickly to get Fash's signiture 8^)

	Bon Weekend

	Ian

35.762EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billFri Mar 19 1993 13:4621
35.7632-2 on agg Out on away goals ruleSHAWB1::HUGHESSSun Mar 21 1993 17:2521
    
    
    Looneypool 1                    Everton 0
    Rosie 90					ATT 44,000 ish
    
    
    I suppose we can't complain after scoring two late goals at Goodison to
    win the derby earlier this season, but did you see the two chances
    Barlow had. The young lad could have made a name for himself and won
    the game.
    
    The papers this morning haven't been fair to Everton saying L'pool had
    seven chances to Everton's two, though listening to the radio and
    watching the Teeve it seemed very even. Still not safe as we have
    played two or if not three games more than the teams below us.
    
    I think rosie's a better player than alot give him credit for. It was a
    great finish.(yes it hurts to admit it)
    
    Simon 
         
35.764Safe at last ? (Maybe)MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Mar 25 1993 10:5525
	Alright, I know it's been quiet in here but I'm still getting
	over the disappointment of last weekend. Oh well Everton provided
	the perfect response last night ..

	Everton ... 3  Ipswich Town ... 0
	Barlow
	Jackson
	Cottee

	I don't know anything about the game, or the team as it was the
	ONLY Premier League game last night where Radio 5 did NOT have a
	man on the spot.

	Anyway Everton are on 45 points now and must almost consider
	themselves safe, although it would be nice to finish the season
	strongly from a confidence point of view.

	Perhaps we had our own man on the spot last night who could fill
	in the details ... calling all Watterson's ...

	Regards

	Ian

35.765Bottom teams in formSHAWB2::HUGHESSThu Mar 25 1993 12:4413
    
    Watty's on holiday for two weeks from today he's gone on talent
    spotting trip to the Algarve.
    
    Last nights results puts us above Ipswich! 1-0 half time thanks to a 25
    yard half volley from Barlow (why didn't he save that for last saturday)
    and further goals in 2nd half from jackson at the far post following a
    flicked on corner from Watson. The third was a superb diving header
    from Cottee after a good move.
    
    Att 15,638
    
    Simon
35.766One of the (quite a) few ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Mar 25 1993 13:2624
    
	Thanks for the info Simon,

	Were you one of the lucky 15,000 people to see the match at dear
	old Goodison or did you see it on T.V. ?

	It's good to see Barlow and Jackson getting on to the score sheet
	and of course for TC to keep up his good scoring run. Have you
	any idea what the team was ?

	It looks as if our Mr. Kendall has decided not to dip into the
	transfer market for a striker (as I believe the deadline is today !),
	perhaps he feels that the Cottee / Barlow combination up front
	will be good enough once they develop more of an understanding.
	As I mentioned before I certainly thought Barlow had alot of
	potential when I saw him at Villa. What about the chances he missed
	at Liverpool though ?, hopefully they weren't as simple as the
	chance that Gary Parker missed for the Villa last night against
	Norwich, I don't think the commentators could believe it.

	Regards

	Ian

35.767New Signing for the Blues ....SIOG::DAWSONThu Mar 25 1993 20:3420
    
    My absence from the notes has been because of been busy end-of-quarter
    rather than the sickener at the weekend .Alto i was gutted on saturday.
    Great response last night ,exactly what we needed ,especially for
    Barlow to score first,it might restore some confidence.
    
    If my aunty had balls etc if Barlow had taken his chances on saturday
    we would now be sixth or seventh in the table .There is only a few
    points in it between sixth and seventh from bottom.
    
    A debut was made last night by a guy called Holmes from Birmingham for
    the blues,He plays in the backs and was quite comfortable last night.
    I dont know much about him only what the paper said this morning.
    Everton paid 100,000 pounds for him...
    
    
      cheers
    
    
     Liam
35.768Not that one surely?AIMTEC::WICKS_AOscar the Grouch is an Optimist!Thu Mar 25 1993 20:377
    Liam,
    
    Did he play alongside Watson????
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
35.769Red shite for the drop !!!GLADYS::CRAVENMon Mar 29 1993 19:1623
    Thank you to my Sydney Digtal friends for giving me access to all the
    Blue Boys news that I have missed since the last episode of "When
    Skys Are Grey".  Have I been too long in the bush to discover that
    Kendall has finally gone mad - Fashanu (Mr Elbows) in a blue shirt,
    black players for sure in a blue shirt, its inevitable, invaluable for
    our future, but not Fashanu !  What about a continued bid for Rocastle
    for some skill in midfield but also a maverick bid for his old
    Asre-enal (no typo there) Cambell as one for the future.  This is not
    to have some total blak in the team but to add some real skill, finesse
    and Force to the team.  Persevere with Cottee (TC) and Barlow and keep
    Unsworth on standby, piss off Warchyra, Beagrie, Ebrell (yet to show
    he's worth an exhalted position in the School of Science), not
    convinced about Hinchcliffe at left back, what about another maverick
    bid for Parker (500,000) from Man-ushited?  Get rid of Johnston, rumour
    has it amongst the Sportsman clientelle is that his recent injuries are
    from his team-mates (he's a ladies man) rather than football induced. 
    Who is Rideout, he's not proved himself at the top level, only England
    schoolboy - for what thats worth.  Keep faith with Howard, remember all
    the rumblings of discontent pre 1984 ? and all the CRAP players he
    signed before the golden 11+.
    
                                      Ray, a committed blue
    
35.770Mo and Oh Ah, Like the LadiesESSB::BLONGEurope is Scouse FreeMon Mar 29 1993 19:304
35.771Everton off to Jersey...SIOG::DAWSONTue Mar 30 1993 12:2913
    
    Everton took advantage of the lull of games in the premier league 
    and went to Jersey for a week.dont know if they played any matchs.
    Anyone get any results ???
    Looking at the forthcoming internationals i dont see many Blues
    playing,Big difference from the heady days of the eighties when 
    Everton had about nine internationals playing everyweek.
    Anyone care to comment ...........
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.772THey are playing but not for USEBYGUM::HUGHESSTue Mar 30 1993 14:3815
    Lots of Everton players are playing in Internationals this week, only
    that they are EX-Evertonions 
    ie. keown
    	Mccall
    	Nevin
    	Ratcliffe
    	Steven
    Have Evertonions noted McCall and Steven performances for Rangers this
    season.
    
    I suppose the next thing will be that TC will get sold to Arsenal and
    get back into the England squad.
    
    Roll on next season.
    Simon
35.773PLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerTue Mar 30 1993 15:064
    
    Did you forget Sheedy? (although, he'll probably only be sub)
    
    Tim
35.774Sheedy Sellars Left sided wondersEBYGUM::HUGHESSTue Mar 30 1993 15:429
    I did forget Sheedy Thank you Tim
    Whats Sheedy's postion now that Sellars has signed. It was only last
    month I heard Keegan quoted as saying He likes management especially
    when you can work with such talented players as Sheedy. Then he signs
    Sellars (?)
    
    Confused 
    
    I am
35.775PLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerTue Mar 30 1993 15:5211
>    Whats Sheedy's postion now that Sellars has signed.
    
    Left back
    
    in the changing rooms.
    
    Sheedy's well out in the cold now (times change very quickly). He's
    available on a free. I think he can still do a job for 60 mins a game
    though. Sellars is hardly setting St. James' alight since his arrival.
    
    Tim                                                                   
35.776We have two in our teamAIMTEC::WICKS_AOscar the Grouch is an Optimist!Tue Mar 30 1993 22:037
    Come off it - you've got tons of internationals - well 2 anyway
    
    Southall and Horne should be in the Wales team tomorrow.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
35.777Here today, gone tomorrow !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Mar 31 1993 16:179
	Just in case you haven't heard ... our other 'international'
	Kenny Sansom has joined Brentford on loan until the end of the
	season.

	Regards

	Ian

35.778Thank you very much ...MILE::PRIESTAll at sea at SolentWed Mar 31 1993 19:128
    Saw him on Saturday and he looked v.good - OK, he wasn't up against
    much competition ! Brentford have needed a left-back all season (as
    well as a midfield !!) and he looked like he'd fit the bill very
    nicely, thank you.
    
    Do you want him back, or can we keep him ?
    
    Jim
35.779.. and you're welcome to him ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Mar 31 1993 21:199
    
>>    Do you want him back, or can we keep him ?
    
	Believe me, he's ALL yours.

	Regards

	Ian

35.780He's a player of two halves ...MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Apr 01 1993 12:5121
	I am a man most definitely in shock ...

	  Not only did Barry Horne PLAY for Wales last night ...
	  Not only was he CAPTAIN of the Welsh team ...
	  Not only was the Radio 5 summariser WAXING LYRICAL about his
	  performance ...
	  But after the game he was named MAN OF THE MATCH !

	Is this really the same player I saw bumbling around in mid-field
	a few weeks ago for Everton at Villa Park ? If so, what has he
	been taking in the interim period, and more to the point,
	where can I buy some ?

	(A great result for Wales though beating Belgium 2-0 which
	 leaves them in with at least a chance of qualifying)

	Regards

	Ian

35.781Fash the Blue Bash....SIOG::DAWSONThu Apr 01 1993 20:3712
    
    
    Well Its offical ...
    
    John Fashnu has signed for Everton ..870,000 pounds and a reputed
    6,000 grand a week ..
    
    
    More Later 
    
    
    Liam
35.782April 1stESSB::BLONGEurope is Scouse FreeThu Apr 01 1993 21:054
35.783PLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerThu Apr 01 1993 21:485
    
    What happened to the no jokes after 12 o' clock rule. Thing is, it
    would have made a better April's fool joke if he had of signed.
    
    Tim
35.784No Takers There..SIOG::DAWSONFri Apr 02 1993 13:488
    
    Needless to say I couldn,t fool the experts ...........
    
    
    Maybe it was wishful thinking on my behalf ..
    
    
    Liam
35.785Fat bastards for hireGLADYS::CRAVENSat Apr 03 1993 19:0154
    Well, you had an on-loan Blueboy in Sydney worried. If anyone out there
    cares, I'm 28, fat, slow, can't head and have scored two goals in 19
    years... what am I worth (I'm not the scouse referred to above.) (And,
    no, my name's not Sharp!)
    
    Fashanu, Samson, Horne... it's been that kind of year. We only get an
    hour's highlights on  Monday night out here, and most of the stuff so
    far has been Man-U-Shited, may they choke again. The other option is to
    fork out $15 and watch games live on satellite - went once, it was the
    away game at Spurs, we should have been 5 up at half time and then
    choked in the last minute. Again! So now we stay home, get fatter and
    listen to the BBC World Service, the only good thing to come out of
    England since Captain Cook (I meant Derek Underwood, but the fusarium
    got to me.)
    
    Well, I'll let my Sunderland colleague ICA take over and head for the
    cricket topic to taunt you about the thrashing you will probably suffer
    in the Ashes series - late flash, Sheffield United have equalised. Oh,
    4 years ago it was Everton 1, Norwich 0, but it was also Hillsborough.
    Sad, sad, sad.
    
    PS save the forests!
    
    Peter Warrington,
    Greens for sport,
    Australian chapter.
    
    Gooday ! its ICA here how are you scouse bastards??
    Everton, Everton, Everton, Everton....
    I love Everton...
    It started in 84, forgive me if this sounds self indulgent
    but I must tell you of my love affair with The Blues.
    I got this ticket off a scouse tout at Wembley for the Watford cup
    final and enjoyed every minute of the 2-0 victory. This was the
    greatest day and night of my life, we celebrated all night in a flat in
    Brixton and when the 85-87 victories eventuated I was over the moon.
    
    My other indulgence is Sunderland. I have a pair of Score-Draw panties
    that I am waiting to impose upon the right woman. The question is ,
    what will come first, will it be another cup final appearance or will
    it be the woman! I am sorry if this reply is straying from the straight
    and narrow but it is Saturday night, its late, we're waiting for the
    BBC coverage of Saturday's matches and I'm pissed.
    
    What else can I say? Other than that I went to Roker Park in September
    1990 with Peter, above, and we watched a 2-2 draw. It was like being in
    heaven for 2 hours. All the goals came in the first half. A thoroughly
    entertaing match enjoyed by all. One particular point of interest was
    the Everton team coach. All the players were in there playing cards
    etc. except for Neville who sat on his own at the back sullenly
    brooding. 2 great teams, Sunderland and Everton.
    
    Yours, ICA.
                
35.786Sign 'em up!UNTADH::WILCOCKSONHaddawayMon Apr 05 1993 14:442
    
    
35.787EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billTue Apr 13 1993 15:0361
35.788I've got those post holiday blues !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Apr 14 1993 12:3520
	Welcome back Paul, I've just been away for 10 days myself and as
	you say it's a mixed bag to come back to. I'm not too concerned
	about the result in Jersey but I thought it was a good win
	away to Middlesborough, I know they are bottom but any away win
	is a good result. Then after that came the crushing defeat at the
	hands of QPR, and it sounds as if Everton were rubbish.

	I really don't understand why Everton's home form has been so
	poor this season, usually the team is virtually unbeatable at
	home. Fortunately Everton have one of the best away records in
	the league, in terms of wins, and it's due to that that we're
	probably safe from relegation now.

	Good luck to the BLUES for the game at Southampton on Saturday !

	Regards

	Ian

35.789When in Rome, see Gazza !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed Apr 14 1993 15:3221
	I almost forgot to say that for my holiday I went to Rome and
	while I was there I went to see a certain Mr. Gascoigne play for
	Lazio against Foggia. The game ended up as a 1 - 1 draw with
	Gazza being substituted early in the second half. He had a few
	good touches but generally it was a quiet game by his standards.
	Lazio played well in the first half and deserved to go in 1 - 0
	up. However, in the second half Foggia came back very strongly
	and created several chances, one of which they took to bring
	the score back to 1 - 1.

	It was definitely a revelation to see the Italian game live with
	their slow build up from the back and the ball being played
	almost exclusively on the ground, very different from the cut and
	thrust of the English game, but I think both are enjoyable in
	their own way.

	Regards

	Ian

35.790Light years behindBLKPUD::WATTERSONPanother day another billWed Apr 14 1993 15:5914
>>	It was definitely a revelation to see the Italian game live with
>>	their slow build up from the back and the ball being played
>>	almost exclusively on the ground, very different from the cut and
>>	thrust of the English game, but I think both are enjoyable in
>>	their own way.
    
    Sounds a bit like Everton on Monday - the only difference was that once
    the defenders got the ball under control (ie slow build up), they then
    hoofed long balls up to Cottee and Barlow (combined height 3'6) who
    were then beaten in the air by the QPR centre halves (combined height
    14'6)......................
    
        
    Paul
35.791more Aussie shitGLADYS::CRAVENWed Apr 14 1993 17:0026
    Well, you bunch of name-droppers and serious bastrards, what we want to
    hear about out here in the colonies is what football does for your sex
    life.
    
    Our soccer story for the week concerns my club, Brian Van Wanderers
    (Brian is one of the guy's dogs, he runs on the field..the name seemed
    a good joke at the time.) We went down 3 - 0 to the Phantom Brazilians,
    who are all from Newtown (Sydney joke.) In my customary position of
    right back I saw Phantom forwards tear us to shreds, it was 29 degrees
    celsius, we got three injuries, and our pre-season brilliant form looks
    completely irrelevant. After one week!
    
    Sound familiar? It was Marx who embellished Hegel to say that history
    is prone to repeat itself, the first time as tragedy, the seond as
    farce. 1990-91 was a tragedy, 91-92 a farce. What does that make this
    year? For the best philosophically sound answer goes a team photo of
    the Henry Miller Football Club (precursors of BVWFC), the world's
    sexiest first 11".
    
    Also, in addition to that 2 - 2 game at Roker in 1990, we saw Sunderland
    v Spurs. To cut a long story short, Bracewell played Gazza off the
    park. om one fat bastard to another, I sympathised!
    
    For the trees, and EFC,
    
    Warrington!
35.792supplication!GLADYS::CRAVENWed Apr 14 1993 17:1513
    And on amore serious note, can anyone help me get a copy of the '85
    Euro Cup Winners' Cup Final. I watched it live on telly, but we didn't
    have a video at the time, and no video wholesaler here stocks it
    (heretics!)
    
    It would need to be on VHS format, and I will pay for the tape and
    postage (and I'll even throw in a HMFC team shot as well.)
    
    Hoping Oldham stay up, Sunderland defy gravity, Cardiff win Division 3
    and Wednesday for both cups.
    
    Warrington #2
    
35.793Where is everyone ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Apr 20 1993 17:4119
	No new notes in here this week so I thought I would just slip
	this in (Oooer !)

	Southampton ... 0  Everton ... 0

	Apparently Big Nev played a blinder, to make up for the 5 he
	let in the week before. Everton didn't create too many chances
	but TC did have the ball in the net but he was ruled off-side.
	I saw brief highlights on Sky on Sunday but not really enough
	to tell how the game was overall.

	Does anyone know when Everton's game with Sheffield Umited has
	been re-scheduled for ?

	Regards

	Ian

35.794EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billTue Apr 20 1993 18:308
    
    Ian,
    
    Sheff Utd is now on 4th-May. I heard on the radio that Cottee has been
    offered a new contract and is currently discussing it with Kendall -
    Kendall hopes to have things sorted by the end of the season.
    
    Pauk
35.795Will the fat lady ever sing ?????????SIOG::DAWSONWed Apr 21 1993 12:2717
    
    IAN 
    We must all have been on holiday the same time ,I,m only back after a 
    weeks holiday myself.
    Well safe from relegation ,Hammered by Qpr ,draw at Southampton 
    (thanks to big Nev).Have we beaten any london team at home this season
    ??.
    
    Only three matchs left and i,m sure i,m not alone when i say i can,t
    wait for this season to finish so i can delete it from my memory...
    I,ll  wait a week or two and then list my highlights of this season
    (it will be a short note ) 8-)8-)
    
    
    cheers
    
     Liam
35.796Paul Go to 129.203...SIOG::DAWSONWed Apr 21 1993 14:5711
    
    
    Paul  
    I hate to do this to an Evertonian but could you please read 129.203
    again ...
    
    
    just catching up on a few old notes .
    
    
    Liam
35.797EBYGUM::WATTERSONPanother day another billWed Apr 21 1993 15:0813
    
    BAH !!!!!
    
    I've seen the light and am now converted to Ferdinandism.....
    
    But seriously, I don't think he'd scored an away goal until christmas.
    From what I'd seen of him on the telly he looked good in the air, but
    his overall contribution was fairly average.
    
    That's the good thing about being biased and biggoted, you can change
    your mind whenever you want.......... :-)
                                
    Paul
35.798Oh and note .791 was briliant too!AIMTEC::WICKS_Aon the Streets of San FranciscoSun Apr 25 1993 01:298
    500 notes behind and pressing NEXT UNSEEN every minute or so I detected
    the string "Cardiff" in reply .792 so could the author please own up
    as to being a bluebird or not and preferably add a reply to the Cardiff
    note.
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks 
35.799Not Alot happening.......SIOG::DAWSONWed Apr 28 1993 14:2723
    
    
    All quiet in here these days eh !!!
    
    Just some tid-bits ..
    Peter Reid is being toted as the new manager of both Liverpool and 
    Everton ,I didn,t know either job was up for grabs .
    Ronnie Whelen was not happy with his new contract offered and 
    Kendall was apparently watching ,with interest,the negotiations.
    ( Whelan proably asked him to ring sourpuss and put a bid in so 
    that sourpuss would up the ante ,could you imagine him letting
    whelan go to Everton ).
    Everton are mentioned in every transfer rumour ,now that the merry-go-
    round has started .
    
    
    not at lot really 
    
    Cheers
    Liam
    
    p.s. just on my way out the door to Lansdowne to watch the BOYS IN 
         GREEN....
35.800EBYGUM::WATTERSONPAll my failings exposedWed Apr 28 1993 15:0324
    
    Liam,
    
    things are very very very quiet at the moment - no rumours or anything,
    at least there's no mention of Molby coming to Goodison... I wouldn't
    like the idea of Whelan at Goodison - we might get Cunno festering in
    here...
    
    Arsenal at Goodison on Saturday - probably my last game of the season
    as the Sheff Utd game is on my wedding aniversary :-( Usual full
    unbiased and unracist report here on Tuesday.
    
    

>>    p.s. just on my way out the door to Lansdowne to watch the BOYS IN 
>>         GREEN....
    
    Now that I'm safely out of Dublin...
    
    
    I HOPE YOU GET STUFFED BY THE DANES !
    
    Paul :-)
     
35.80150 points and safety !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon May 03 1993 18:4622
	Everton ... 0  Arsenal ... 0

	The BLUES romped to another glorious goalless draw on Saturday.
	I'm afraid I don't know anything about the game apart from the
	result, so we'll all have to wait for our 'man on the spot' to
	reveal all on when he comes in on Tuesday (we don't get Bank
	holidays here in France you know).

	Paul/Liam, you're both right, it is very quiet in here at the
	moment, if there aren't any decent rumours soon we'd better
	start a few of our own. I really am suprised that there is no
	transfer talk at Goodison at the moment as surely we can't go
	through next season with exactly the same squad of players,
	unless we want exactly the same result that is. Perhaps our
	Mr. Kendall is just waiting for the right moment to announce
	something really amazing (I live in hope !).

	Regards

	Ian

35.802Youll never beat the Blues .....Sometimes ...SIOG::DAWSONTue May 04 1993 12:3612
    
    
    Sheffield utd at Goodison for the last home match of the season .
    Nothing to play for but pride ( we should get beaten 6-0 ).
    
    Bad season all round and not much to look forward to next season.
    But being a blue means being an eternal optimist ..
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
35.803UNTADH::WILCOCKSONSWFC FA CUP 93Tue May 04 1993 14:096
    >>    Bad season all round and not much to look forward to next season.
    
    That's 'being an eternal optimist' is it Liam?
    :^)
    
    Al.
35.804Wanted : A Result (A good one if poss.)MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed May 05 1993 14:0412
	Help !

	Can anyone tell me the result of Everton's match against Sheffield
	United last night, as I was out I didn't get a chance to listen to
	Radio 5. I'd also like to know the Newcastle United result for
	a friend if possible. Thanks.

	Regards

	Ian

35.805You lostYUPPY::PATEMANScuba Dive in my Think TankWed May 05 1993 14:114
    You got beat 2-0 and from what I saw of the first half on sky, you were
    awful - serious rebuilding needed, plus some stilts for the forwards.
    
    Paul
35.806Ignorance was bliss !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryWed May 05 1993 14:2511
>>    You got beat 2-0 and from what I saw of the first half on sky, you were
>>    awful - serious rebuilding needed, plus some stilts for the forwards.
    
>>    Paul


	Thanks, but I wish I hadn't asked 8^((

	Ian

35.807Champions...PLUNDR::LOWEGYou don't want to do it like that!!Wed May 05 1993 14:366
    
    
    And Newcastle won 2 v 0 at Grimbsy making them 1st division champions
    and looking forward to playing the Stumpy's next year..
    
    g.
35.808BLKPUD::WATTERSONPAll my failings exposedThu May 06 1993 15:5421
    
    Everton 0-0 Arsenal  Att 19,000ish
    
    What a frighteningly bad game - Arsenal turned up to make up the
    numbers and Everton played the usual home performance - clueless.
    The game started slowly and degenerated, I was woken up briefly after
    half-time when in the space of ten thrill packed minutes, Everton won a
    corner, had a couple of half-hearted appeals for penalties ignored and
    Barlow volleyed over from inside the six yard box.
    
    Following Tuesday's result, it's obvious that the current players are
    at best average (except Southall, Beardsley and Cottee perhaps), at
    worst cr*p. Unless the board stump up cash, Everton are condemmed to an
    annual battle against relegation. Eight league defeats at home in a
    season is the worst since the early 1950s (the last time they were
    relegated). Kendall needs to clear some of the deadwood and be given
    the funds to buy some quality players - no more of these bargain
    basement buys.
    
    Paul
                                                       
35.809Summer Sale At Goodison ,No reasonable offer refusedSIOG::DAWSONThu May 06 1993 16:3335
    
    
    And it could only get worse !!!! and it did   arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    
    I went down to the local to watch Everton play Sheffield utd on sky.
    What a disaster !!
    If everton were still playing they wouldn,t score.
    Our defence was crap (ok we were missing Watson ) but it was seriously
    bad.
    Our midfield was               .(non existent)
    Our forwards too small,too slow ,too small,too little ,two near the
    ground etc etc .
    
    Cottee had a chance near the start but his lob was cleared off the line
    after beating the keeper and that was it for the match.
    Everton made sheffield utd look above average  which there not and you
    would think that Brian Deane was a world class player which he is NOT.
    Still Everton could do with him...
    
    I was so dissapointed that i,ll say no more except  how did we
    
    Beat  utd   3-0
    beat  liverpool 2-1
    beat  villa  1-0
    
    take 6 points off blackburn etc etc 
    
    There really is some wonders of the world left ........
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Liam
35.810The EpilogueMOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri May 07 1993 12:5034
	Liam,

	Was this your review of Everton's season ? I suppose it might
	as well be as 92/93 contained about half a dozen highlights,
	all of which you mentioned, and for the rest of the games you
	can apply the same report as you wrote for the Sheffield United
	match. Depressing isn't it !

	Mr. Kendall - SIGN JOHN FASHANU (or somebody else with a bit of
		      fighting spirit) NOW !!!!

	Paul was absolutely right a couple of notes ago when he said that
	the deadwood must be cleared out and money made available for new
	purchases as soon as possible. BTW what happened to the 2 million
	that we received for Martin Keown ? I suppose the board are
	thinking what would happen if they payed out alot of money for
	new players and the situation still did not improve i.e. a crap
	team and a MEGA debt instead of a crap team and smallish debt.
	But what is the alternative, carrying on as we are knowing that
	nothing will get better, I dread the thought of yet another season
	like this one. Let's face it something has GOT to change !

	Paul, has there been any change in attitude towards our Mr. K
	on merseyside over the last few weeks, or is it still a
	feeling of resignation (to Everton's situation that is) and
	general disinterest now that we have at least avoided relegation ?

	Awaiting developments.

	Regards

	Ian

35.811The lads done great Brian ..MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryMon May 10 1993 12:3923
	Just when you thought it was safe to write the teams obituary 
	this happens ....

	Manchester City .. 2  Everton .. 5 (yes FIVE)

	I don't know what the match was like, pretty exciting if the
	scoreline is anything to go by, but I know our Mr. Kendall brought
	Peter Beagrie back into the team. I saw two of his goals, one 
	of which was an absolute beauty, on French sqiggly vision
	(otherwise known as scrambled Canal +). What a pity he can't
	reproduce that sort of form week in week out. Any more
	information on the match would be much appreciated.

	Oh well, this lifts us up to the dizzy heights of 13th or 14th
	and serves as a warning for next season to all those other teams
	out there, WE'RE BACK ! ..... alright .. alright .. two tablets
	for me Doctor ... 8^)

	Regards

	Ian

35.812BLKPUD::WATTERSONPAll my failings exposedMon May 10 1993 14:5924
    
    Ian,
    
    calm down !! calm down !!
    
    I think Saturday's result was down to City being bad rather than
    Everton being good, The young City keeper had a nightmare, the second
    and third goals were a direct result of his cock-ups. A 5-2 win sounds
    good, but it really only papers over the cracks. Season ticket sales
    are going to be very poor again for next season - no ones particulary
    p*ssed off, but the apathy is unfrightening. 
    
    On a brighter note, Gordon Lee was giving 'expert' comments on the game
    - what an intelligent man, I wonder if he still drags his knuckles on
    the floor when he walks. Maybe he wants to return if Kendall does get
    the boot this summer.........
    
    
    Paul
    
    PS
    
    At least Crystal Palace got relegated...ha ha ha ha - made my
    weekend.... :-) See you in two years in the first division.
35.813I'm perfectly calm now MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue May 11 1993 13:0917
	Paul,

	O.K. .. O.K. .. I've had my tranquilisers now and I feel a
	lot better. It's just that this season has been so disappointing
	and then .. suddenly .. a victory ... with goals going in all
	over the shop ... you see I couldn't help it .. I was
	over-whelmed.

	Anyway, you obviously weren't that impressed yourself, did you go ?
	Do you know why Beagrie is back in favour, is it a case of
	desperation on Mr. Kendalls part or are there some injuries ?

	Regards

	Ian

35.814BLKPUD::WATTERSONPAll my failings exposedTue May 11 1993 14:1624
    
    Ian,
    
    I didn't go - glued to the Radio in Sainsbury's car-park as usual
    waiting for the wife to finish the shopping..... 
    
    I wasn't totally unimpressed by the performance on Saturday - just
    trying to be realistic. I presume Kendall's just chopping and changing
    again - that's why Beagrie played - Preki's had some encouraging
    performance recently. He's improved 100% since I saw him first at the
    Rotherham defeat. I just wish they all could be more consistant -
    especially at home. Two 'good' signings during the summer and they
    could do something next season.
    
    On the gossip front - Johnston finished the season early after an armed
    robbery on his house.
    
    Also Everton have launched a double bid for Barnes and Platt....
    
    
    
    Des Barnes and Martin Platt are going nowhere in Coronation Street
    
    Paul
35.815What about PhylisESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Tue May 11 1993 14:274
35.816BLKPUD::WATTERSONPAll my failings exposedFri May 14 1993 12:2615
35.817It means nothing to me !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue May 18 1993 12:5513
>>     Stephan Paille, ex-international and friend of Cantona, wants
>>     to play in England. In an interview he stated that three clubs
>>     had shown an interest, but it looks like Everton are the
>>     front-runners.

	I've just read this in the 'French League' note ... hummmmm ...
	excuse my ignorance ... but WHO is Stephan Paille ?

	Regards

	Ian

35.818EBYGUM::WATTERSONPAll my failings exposedTue May 18 1993 13:1113
    Is he a centre half - I vaguely remember Everton being linked with some
    French defender a few weeks back.

    Everton lost 3-1 to Aston Villa in Mauritius (sp ?). 
    
    UEFA officials are inspecting Goodison and Anfield today in preparation
    for the European championships in 1996 - they are rumoured to be still
    laughing after having visited Newcastle and Sunderland yesterday....:-)
    
    Paul
    
    Paul
35.819How many timesCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Wed May 19 1993 17:087
    
    How many times have Everton won the Championship...
    
    I think it's 9 times.....
    
    
    jm
35.820TAEC::MERRICKSuperstition doesn't have to be wrong...Wed May 19 1993 18:137
    Re : -2,3
    
    The defender mentioned before was Prunier of Auxerre - he's now
    expected to move to a German club. Paille is an attacking midfielder, 
    old buddy of Cantonna and ex-Montpellier, Porto and Caen. From what
    I've seen on TV this season, Everton should save their money and spend
    it on Pele who wants to leave Marseille at the end of the season.
35.821Everton are White and bottom of the Prem.BLKPUD::HUGHESSWed May 19 1993 18:4310
    >> I've seen on TV this season, Everton should save their money and
    >> spend it on Pele who wants to leave Marseille at the end of the season.
        
    Never.... Everton spend money wisely by getting a world class player.
    Haven't you heard the stories regarding black players and Everton. 
    It doesn't matter how good he is (even if he scores a hat trick in
    the European Cup final) He won't be signing.
    
    
    Simon           
35.822ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed May 19 1993 18:536
35.823No News is Good News ...I Hope.SIOG::DAWSONTue Jun 01 1993 20:5718
    
    
    A bit quiet in here these days  !!!!
    
    Surely there,s rumours abound about players coming and going
    (especially going ) ??
    
    There,s nothing about Everton in the papers these days ,I suppose
    it,s a sign of the times when all the fuss about Roy Keane is all
    over the papers and there is not a hint or consideration that he
    move to the blues..
    
    Sad days it seems 
    
    
    Cheers
    
     Liam
35.824BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheThu Jun 10 1993 13:477
    
    According to the radio this morning, Everton are on the verge of making
    one or two signings - possibly a midfield player and an attacker. Two
    names mention were Scott Gemmell and Neil (fat bot) Webb from Forest,
    although I can't see which one of them is the attacker.
    
    Paul
35.825Avez-vous des nouvelles ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Jun 10 1993 20:3715
    
>>    According to the radio this morning, Everton are on the verge of making
>>    one or two signings - possibly a midfield player and an attacker.
 

	Thanks for the latest news Paul, although I can't say that I'm
	overjoyed at the prospect of either of the two you mentioned
	coming to Goodison ... and what about people leaving, is there
	any news on that ?

	Regards

	Ian


35.826BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheThu Jun 10 1993 21:1114
    Ian,

    no news about anyone going - there was a story a couple of weeks ago
    that Rideout might be going back to Swindon, but nothing happened on
    that - unfortunately....

    Paul

    PS

    If the Aussies are still reading in here - I'm trying to get the copy
    of the 1985 European cup winners cup final, at this rate, you'll
    probably get it by about christmas.......
35.827A winter's taleGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfMon Jun 14 1993 13:3825
    Paul
    After beating New Zealand 3-0 last week, and watching Norway Norway
    Norway!, we aren't going anywhere. Except to USA '94.
    
    Christmas for the video will be fine. We'll probably be bottom of the
    table again, so any good cheer will be welcome.
    
    What's this about Neil Webb? Surely April Fool's Day is over. We might
    as well get Nigel Lawson, they are as fit as each other!
    
    Hooray for Sunderland, Oldham and Cardiff - it's the decade of second,
    third and fourth teams. At least they're non-Thatcherite.
    
    Best to all. Australia vs AC Milan this week... we'll give you a report
    if you want. AC who? What chance Everton signing Rijkaard? Now that
    would be something.
    
    Any news on the Duncan Ferguson rumour and the state of Graham Sharp's
    back appreciated. And fingers crossed for Wales - the only stage big
    enough for Nev is the world.
    
    Sentimentally yours
    
    Peter Warrington
    
35.828BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheMon Jun 14 1993 18:089
    Peter,
    
    the Neil Webb story has died a death - thankfully... Everyone in the
    world's after Duncan Ferguson, so I'd guess he'll go anywhere but
    Goodison - Everton are being linked with some other player (another
    Ferguson I think) that plays for Hearts and used to play for Rangers -
    I'd never heard of him - no other tranfer speculation this week.
    
    Paul
35.829Update.BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATMon Jun 14 1993 18:1910
    
    
     News/rumor from north of the border is that Drunken Ferguson will
    probably join Leeds. Derek Ferguson of Hearts, ex-Rangers, ex-Scotland
    will not be signing a new contract with Hearts. Everton have been
    linked with him for a fee of around 750k. He's a midfielder who had a
    great career ahead of him at Ibrox until he started taking too much
    sauce and was swiftly sold by Sourpuss.
    
     Danny.
35.830Something else to laugh atKERNEL::WITHALLGNever heard of himMon Jun 14 1993 19:1613
    
    re.828
    
    Paul, 
    
         You'll find that Everton are after SARAH Ferguson. 
    
    
    Regs,
    
    Your friend - 
    
    Gary 
35.831BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheMon Jun 14 1993 19:246
    
    re .830
    
    Bog off, or I'll make you watch Everton v Wimbledon again...
    
    Paul
35.832Best laff I had for agesKERNEL::WITHALLGNever heard of himTue Jun 15 1993 12:3321
    
    
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    NO NO nO NO no NO NO nO NO NO nO NO no NO NO nO
    
    Watty yer a cruel norfen get you are, How do you think I felt sitting
    with 10 Toffess all baying fer London blood.  My Scouse wasn't that good
    I came out of there trembling.
    
    
    
    Wim - ble - don   Wim - ble - don  Wim - ble - don  RAH RAH RAH !!
    
    
    Gazzer
35.833ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Jun 17 1993 21:154
35.834PLUNDR::MORANDANGER: Volatile Database at largeThu Jun 17 1993 21:194
    
    Can that be confirmed???
    
    Tim
35.835arrrggghhh !!!BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheFri Jun 18 1993 14:1517
    
    Depressing news on the Beardsley front - Kendall has had two offers of
    #1.5M for Beardsley, believed to be from Newcastle and either Derby or
    Wolves - it appears certain that he WILL be leaving Goodison. Newcastle
    denied yesterday that they had made an offer, which probably means
    he'll be there by the middle of next week.........
    
    Everton must be seriously in the sh*t if they can't hang onto
    Beardsley, the one bright spot in a couple of p*ss-poor seasons - they
    should be binning all the cr*p like Johnston, Warzycha, Rideout,
    Beagrie etc etc etc - not Beardsley. Southall will be next to go.
    
    Still at least Southport will be in the Conference next season.....
                                                                     
    Depressed me - never.
    
    Paul
35.836I could watch Peter Beardsley all day.SHAWB2::HUGHESSFri Jun 18 1993 14:2015
    No...
    But according to the Liverpool papers. He's on his way to Derby, Wolves
    or Newcastle. Expect an announcment today. My money's on Newcastle.
    Wolves are only mentioned cos they've a new millionaire chairman. Derby
    cos of Arthur Cox (but where would he play in that forward line....
    Kitson, Gabadinni, Johnson  all million pound plus players.)
    If He goes to Newcastle it will be a great move for him. I think the
    fans up there will forgive him leaving and forgive his wife for trying
    to pick the team which rumour has it she has at every club since.
    I expect Newcastle to be playing very attractive football next season
    and challenging on at least one front for silverware. Everton I do not.
    If Peter Beardsley leaves Everton it will be a very sad day for
    Evertonians everywhere.
    
    Simon
35.837PLUNDR::MORANDANGER: Volatile Database at largeFri Jun 18 1993 14:327
35.838BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheFri Jun 18 1993 14:497
    
    Tim,
    
    wow - even if Everton do get Ferguson, which I doubt, he still won't
    have the same impact on the team as Beardsley.....
    
    Paul
35.839PLUNDR::LOWEGYou don't want to do it like that!!Fri Jun 18 1993 15:2814
    
    
    If Beardsley does leave it would make Everton one of the favourites
    for relegation..
    
    I wonder why after such a poorish season Kendall seems to very quiet.
    I thought he would be buying to strengthen and that Everton would be
    the most active team (except for the relegated clubs) in the transfer 
    market..
    
    Has all the ambition gone out of Everton, or is the something that I
    don't know ??????
    
    g.
35.840EBYGUM::WATTERSONPFour fox acheFri Jun 18 1993 15:5517
    
    
    Gary,
    
    Everton are skint - Keown was flogged for #2.5M last season and none of
    the money was made available for new players, if and when Beardsley
    goes it'll be the same. The club are rumoured to be up for sale and the
    chairman has said he will go if people want him to.
    
    It goes back to the Harvey and early Kendall days when a lot of money
    was paid out for average players - McDondald, Milligan, Johnston,
    Beagrie, Rideout, Nevin etc etc etc - many players are still being paid
    hideous amounts of money which is why they're happy to stay and make the
    odd first team appearance.
    
    Paul
                                                 
35.841Area of low pressure over GoodisonMOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Jun 18 1993 16:3715
	Depressing times eh ?

	EVERTON - No money
		  No good players (Big Nev excepted and assuming Beardo goes)
		  No commitment from the Board or management
		  No prospects for next season
			(Apart from another fight against relegation)

	Those heady days of the mid-eighties seem a lifetime away !

	Regards

	Ian

35.842PLUNDR::MORANDANGER: Volatile Database at largeMon Jun 21 1993 20:177
    
    So, it turns out that Beardsley didn't want to leave Everton. Chances
    are if he dug in his heels and refused to move (another year on his
    contract) that he'd see out Kendal. Does anyone have any thoughts on
    this?
    
    Tim
35.843KIRKTN::CPATRICKI can take a hint !! can youMon Jun 21 1993 20:575
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35.844BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheTue Jun 22 1993 01:1823
    
    re .843
    
    Thanks for that note - everyone's opinion is highly valued in here...
    
    re .842
    
    Tim,
    
    it's not that straight-forward, I doubt if it was Kendall's decision to
    put Beardsley up for sale, more like another 'far-sighted decision'
    from the Everton directors................ - so it doesn't matter whose
    manager - the same clowns will still be on the board holding the purse
    strings.
    
    When's next season's fixture's out ? 
    
    I'm suffering severe withdrawl symptoms with no footie on the box -
    they've even dropped the sophisticated Aussie rules football for some
    Gaelic rubbish, if I wanted to watch that cr*p I'd watch Jack
    Charlton's all-stars.... 
    
    Paul
35.845BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheThu Jun 24 1993 02:2010
    
    Beardsley's signed for Newcastle for 1.5m quid !
    
    Everton are meant to be after David Hirst for 4m - oh yeh !
    
    First game of the season's away to Southampton....
    
    Isn't life wonderful !
    
    Paul
35.846BLKPUD::WATTERSONPFour fox acheTue Jun 29 1993 14:0513
    
    More rumours.....
    
    Kendall is rumoured to be considering an offer to return to Athletico
    Bilbao (the club he managed in the late 1980s) - he's denied it.
    
    Peter Reid has denied that Everton are after Niall Quinn for #1.5M (the
    same sum they got for Beardsley...)
    
    I'll post the full fixture list when I get round to it - Man City and
    Sheff Utd are the first two home games.
    
    Paul
35.847The Birth of a new Toffee !!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 02 1993 12:2733
    
    Drat !!!
    
    I posted a fifty liner note last week about the "selling off of our
    silverware" only for the network to drop ,just when i signed it..
    
    I couldn,t believe it when Beardsley was sold but i suspected it would
    happen when Newcastle were promoted.(Sometimes I hate it when i,m
    right).
    The NOTW say Kendall is chasing Brian Deane ,Good player but hardly the
    answer to our ever-looming problems at Goodison.Cottee is on the verge
    of signing a new three year contract ,which means we didn,t get a 
    reasonable offer for him .Surely we could have  raised the 1.5m
    that we got from Beardsley from selling some dead-wood i.e. 
    Rideout  500k ,Beagrie 750k,Warchyza 500k ,Horne = new strip for the
    reserves etc etc etc 
    I have been absent from these notes for the last week or so ,having
    witnessed the birth of a little Toffee ,whom my wife insists will
    follow united ,but myself and my other five year toffee will coerce sp
    !! ( there will be no sheep in my family).
    I have told my wife she needs a holiday after the birth and that
    Southampton is lovely around the middle of august,so i might get to
    the opener next season.I must admit after the overkill of soccer ,
    on tv and otherwise last season,i too am suffering from withdrawal
    syptems (sp) and cant wait for the season to start..
    I cant see the blues doing much next season but barely staying in the
    premier..Maybe a good cup run...
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam
    
    Trying times indeed for Toffees everywhere !!!!!!!!!!!!!
35.848BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismFri Jul 02 1993 13:2621
    
    Hiya Liam,
    
    congrats on the sproglet...
    
    I'm driving down to Southampton for the first game if you're
    interested.
    
    I reckon all this talk about Hirst, Deane etc etc etc is b*ll*cks - the
    news this week that Everton are taking Shaun Brooks on tour to Germany
    and Switzerland sums things up.
    
    Shaun Brooks was released by Bournemouth at the end of last season, he
    hasn't played a first team game for 16 months. Call me pesamistic, but
    for f**ks sake - is this the only type of player Everton can attract
    nowadays ?
    
    Everton play at Southport in a pre-season friendly on 7th Aug - I
    wonder how long it will be before they meet in a league game ?
    
    Paul
35.849Not enough news from San goodison ....SIOG::DAWSONMon Jul 05 1993 21:3126
    
    
    The NOTW has again got the story that Everton are interested in 
    Brian Deane ...The article also said the blues are still in 3.5m
    debt .If so what happened the Keown money ???????????
    
    I cant believe there,s not that much transfers OUT of goodison !!!
    I would be tempted to sell at least 6 or 7 players and i dont think
    i need to mention their names .
    
    Is there no news on merseyside ???? I also heard that Kendall was 
    going to Bilbao ?? This i doubt because he hasn,t proved himself 
    second time round yet.Everton should give him till the end of next
    season and then review the situation.It,s going to take some team
    to challange the likes of man u ,blackburn,newcastle and villa but
    who know,s   ......maybe  ??????????.
    
    
    Cheers
    
                      liam
    
     p.s. Paul i,m still working on the Southampton trip and will let 
          you know sooner the date .
     p.p.s. If you have the fixture list could you post it here please ??
    
35.850BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismMon Jul 05 1993 21:5117
    
    Liam,
    
    the Deane story was going round a couple of weeks back, but I wouldn't
    build up too many hopes. Why should he go to Goodison when Leeds, Man
    Utd and a few others are interested. 
    
    I doubt if Kendall will be going to Bilbao yet - they appointed a new
    manager last week
    
    They'll probably be a couple of car loads of us going to Southampton -
    give us a shout nearer the time, we'll probably be able to cram you in
    somewhere. I'll try and post the fixture list when I get the chance, if
    not I'll photocopy it and stick it in the post.
    

    Paul
35.851Tuning in to Billy Butler ...SIOG::DAWSONTue Jul 06 1993 20:5310
    
    
    Paul
    
     What time is the sports news on radio merseyside each evening ???
    
      is it 6:40 or 7:20  ???
    
    
                                      Liam
35.852BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismWed Jul 07 1993 21:4213
    
    Liam,
    
    can't you ask an easy question ? - I never listen to Radio Merseyside,
    it caters mainly for pensioners...... it's on Radio City at 20 past and
    20 to the hour if that's any help... 
    
    If you still want to know, I'll invest this years pay-rise in an Echo. 
    
    Calling Peter Warrington, I've finally got that video done and I should
    get my paws on it at the weekend - I'll send it next week sometime.
    
    Paul
35.853Everton and Sunderland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfThu Jul 08 1993 12:2314
    Good on yer Paul,
    
    I'm coming over to Northern England August-September time to visit my
    sister and relatives who are mad Evertonians. Have you got the dates
    and venues of the first few games mate?
    
    Who knows, I might even pay you for Warrington's video over a few pints
    in a pub near Goodison.
    
    Ica (Peter Warrington's secretary)
    
    P.S. The 3rd test was a mere hiccup, we're gonna whip your arse's in
    the last 3.
    
35.854Dont you like Mrs Butler,s Eldest ...SIOG::DAWSONThu Jul 08 1993 21:2218
    
    
    Paul
    
    
     What wavelength is radio city ?????
    I only listen to radio merseyside when the matchs are on..
    Dont you like country+western music then..
    
    
    
      Cheers
    
                 Liam
    
    p.s. I,ll send you over my pay-rise as well ,between us we maybe able
    to afford the Footy Echo ..bit steep at 20 p
    
35.855BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismFri Jul 09 1993 13:1612
    
    Liam,
    
    City's on 96.7 FM. 
    
    Anyway today's news - Everton have bid for two 'big name' players -
    both bids have been rejected, the board are considering increasing the
    money available. The players are believed to be Andy Townsend and
    Graham Stuart of Chelsea - Hateley was also mentioned, but given
    Everton's record of buying forwards from Rangers, I'm dubious.
    
    Paul
35.856Toffee TeddyWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticFri Jul 09 1993 15:1010
    
    Paul 
    
    According to a paper today, Kendo is putting in a bid of 2 million for
    Teddy Shrringham from Spurs??!?!
    
    Is Teddy going to be the first to leave Ossie and Spurs. I must admit
    he could find somewhere better than Everton, maybe Tranmere!?!? :-)
    
    mac
35.857Townsend says NO..........SIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 09 1993 16:4621
    
    
    The latest from the sun(it must be true ) is that Kendalls bid for
    Both Stewart and Townsend  of 2.3 m has been rejected .Townsend
    would be a great asset to any club and stewart ran us ragged in 
    Goodison last season so would proably be a good buy.
    Apparently Kendall is gone upstairs to ask for more money .
    
    No news of anyone leaving Goodison ??
    As you said already Paul ,some players would be in no hurry to leave
    considering the wages their on and would be quiet happy to languish
    in the reserves on about 2,000-3,000 pounds aweek.
    
    Kendall has got to get rid of Johnson ,Rideout ,Beagrie,Horne and 
    possibly Polish Bob,Harper etc  before we move on to the dizzy heights
    that we had in the mid-eightys
    
    
    Cheers
    
                    Liam
35.858BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismFri Jul 09 1993 17:117
    
    Harper's been given a free, last I heard he was thinking over a move
    to Birmingham. Johnston said last week that'll he be after a move if he
    can't hold down a first team place - so he'll be off in a couple of
    weeks.
    
    Paul
35.859PLUNDR::MORANHurrah for Pres Clinton and Bill too!Fri Jul 09 1993 17:155
    
    Sunderland were after but couldn't afford Harper, even though he was 
    coming on a free! 'Makes me so happy.
    
    Tim                
35.860Teddy's not for sale..PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCFri Jul 09 1993 17:188
    
    Re.856
    
    2 million for Teddy Sheringham...you must be joking. If that cart horse
    Brian Deane is worth 3.5 million, the Premier Division's golden boot
    winner is worth 5 million. Anyway..he's not for sale, I hope.
    
    Dave...
35.861I,m in the know with the man from the north..SIOG::DAWSONMon Jul 12 1993 21:3718
    
    
    
    Dear Santa
    
    I know it,s early but could you have a word in Andy Townsends ear 
    and ask him to please accept the 5,OOO pounds plus a week, offer
    that Everton are offering him to perform at Goodison this season.
    If you are successful I promise only to ask for one dinosaur at 
    christmas .
    
                        your good friend 
    
    
                              Liam
    
    p.s He wont get these personal terms anywhere else and we need him 
        really badly . 
35.862Is he really 'The One' ?MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Jul 13 1993 13:1231
    
>>    Dear Santa
    
>>    I know it,s early but could you have a word in Andy Townsends ear 
>>    and ask him to please accept the 5,OOO pounds plus a week, offer
>>    that Everton are offering him to perform at Goodison this season.

>>                              Liam
    

	Liam,

	I don't want to put a damper on things as I totally agree that
	Everton need some new faces in the team, but do you think Andy
	Townsend is really the man for us ? Apparently he was dreadful
	for chelsea last season and hasn't realised any of the potential
	he showed at Norwich. The last thing the BLUES want is another
	expensive mis-fit to add to the list we've already got.

	As for Graham Stuart, I don't know much about him at all but
	Paul seems to rate him quite highly after seeing him at Goodison
	last season, so maybe he would be a good investment.

	Paul, is there any more news on the Hately rumour, as I think he
	would be a good buy even though he would probably only last a
	couple of seasons at the most.

	Regards

	Ian

35.863EBYGUM::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismTue Jul 13 1993 13:2813
    
    Ian,
    
    I agree with Liam on the Townsend front, I think he would be a good
    buy - Everton need someone in midfield who can battle. Having said
    that, I honestly can't see any 'top names' signing for Everton at the
    moment - including Townsend. 
    
    No transfer news/rumours at all at the moment. Everton are about to
    start a tour of Germany and Switzerland, no doubt playing class second
    and third division teams again.....
    
    Paul
35.864Hately ain't your manYELBUS::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATTue Jul 13 1993 13:439
    
    
     Mark Hately will NOT leave Rangers for Everton or any other club.
    He has recently signed an extension to his contract at Ibrox which
    will see him there for another 2 seasons at least. Hately is 
    guaranteed European football with Rangers, something that Everton
    will find hard to match.
    
     Danny.
35.865a mandate for changeGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfThu Jul 15 1993 19:51107
    This is the second time I have gone down to ICA's place to catch up on
    all the gossip about the Blues and hopefully hear some good news. I
    won't shoot the messenger, but this is all bloody depressing.
    
    So, as Lenin said in 1902, What is to be done? With a dodgy financial
    situation, crap players and wavering support, the options are limited.
    But in 1983-84, things weren't much different.
    
    How was it that Kendall was able to pull together a former fullback
    (Southall), an athlete who picked up the wrong shoes as a kid
    (Stevens), two passionate tradesmen (Ratcliffe and Mountfield), a
    near-donkey (Van Den Hauwe), some potentially good midfielders
    (Bracewell, Sheedy and Steven), a warhorse (Reid), and two Scottish
    triers (Sharp and Gray)... and not only make them one of the most
    successful teams in Europe in the '80's, but also one of the most
    watchable. I look back at the videos in awe of the beautiful, compact
    team football that we used to play.
    
    What did they have that the current team don't? Ignore the relative
    skill levels of players, and think about "the team".
    
    One of the first things that stands out is the strength of the squad.
    Names like Heath, Richardson, Harper were resigned to being subs. What
    a wealth of riches.
     
    The mid-80's team had options. If Lineker didn't score, and he usually
    did, one of the S-men would... Sheedy from the left, Steven and Stevens
    from the right, and the soaring skull of Sharp in the middle. Reidy and
    Bracewell were good for a few goals, and Derek Mountfield could be
    lethal from corners and free-kicks (12 or so goals in 84-5 alone, many
    vital, such as FA semi v Luton). The only people who you couldn't rely
    on to score were Nev, Van Den Hauwe and Ratcliffe (except for THAT goal
    against the red shite at Anfield.)
    
    The mid-80's had a fit and younger Nev, behind a more regular defence.
    They weren't the best fullbacks you'd ever see, but they weren't the
    worst; and as a sometime keeper myself, I know it helps to be able to
    predict when and how your backs are going to stuff up.
    
    And they had teamwork. They really were the quintessential 4-4-2
    dream team, with attacking fullbacks, tall centre-halves, left and
    right-side midfielders, one ball-winner and one distributor (purr) and
    a classic centre-forward/poacher combination upfront.
    
    These days, Howard seems to try a different system everyday. Even the
    best players need some stability in their tactics, as England's
    performances seem to indicate ("best" here means "best Taylorite
    revisionists".)
    
    What can we do about it?
    
    If we want to challenge, we must buy. And that means selling first. We
    should sell Nev if he wants to go. I love sentiment - God, I'm a
    Trotskyist, I have to - but we can't rely on him to keep us up any
    more. Cash in while he's worth some $, and use it to buy some
    midfielders. Sell Horne, Watson (not to blame), Rideout, Johnston.  
    
    And Ebrell. I can't keep waiting for the Ebrells of the world to deliver. If
    they're not automatic first team selections by now, sell!
    
    And we must buy with guile - Beardsley was a great investment, perhaps
    keeping us up, but now that good work has been undone. Priorities seem
    to be some central defenders (look at what Adams/Linighan and
    Bruce/Pallister can do for the players in front - the fact that I'm a
    6'2" donkey now playing fullback has absolutely nothing to do with the tenor
    of the remarks), a ball-winner and distributor in midfield, and a tall,
    goal-scoring forward.
    
    These can form the nucleus of a great side. Without them, we'll get
    stuffed again early in the season, confidence will fall, and Howard
    will take the high-dive. If that eventuates, I think they should give
    someone like Ratcliffe the job - it's worked before.
    
    I can't for the life of me see how the above's achievable in the current
    climate. Something has to give. From 14,000km away, I don't know why
    the loyal fans put up with things like the Beardsley sale. It's their
    seven quid that's being frittered away. But as a veteran of three
    matches (home to Leeds 1990, away to Sunderland 90, and away to Leeds
    late' 91), you have my proxy for gratuitous harassment of the EFC
    management if things don't change. NOW! As Lenin said, organise, organise 
    and organise again.
    
    The sort of team we might hope put on the field could look something like
    this:
    
    Kearton, Hinchcliffe, Bould, Riijkard, Jackson, Beagrie, McStay, Collins,
    Warzycha/Preki, Cottee, Gabbiadini. 
    
    Subs: Craven, Warrington 
    
    Seriously, some of the current Australian team would be worth a look.
    Durakovic has kept Papin and Lineker scoreless in recent years. Zelic
    and Okon are brilliant. Try anything. And why not make Lineker an offer. By 
    all accounts, he's having a dog of a time in Japan. 
    
    One last issue I want to raise is the importance of the Red successes
    of the 70s and 80s in fostering a brilliant Everton. Was our success in
    some way attributable to a desire to show those smug red bastards that they
    weren't the only team on Merseyside who could conquer?
    
    History shows that an oppressor can unite a nation in opposition.
    
    Could it be that the demise of the Reds has led to a lowering of our
    own intensity. 
    
    Thoughts, please?
                
35.866Phew.... EBYGUM::HUGHESSThu Jul 15 1993 21:348
    Thoughts please.....
    
    
    Is this a record for the longest most sentimental note ever entered in 
    the Everton noting entry ?
    
    
    :-) Simon 
35.867I cried - it was almost perfect Cunnoism!AIMTEC::WICKS_AU.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there!Thu Jul 15 1993 22:396
    Perhaps we could coax Cunno out of retirement to do a similar piece
    on Liverpool?
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
35.868RE .865KBOMFG::TANNERU2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!!Fri Jul 16 1993 17:069
  Oh Oh.. sounds like fear of relegation..........

I wouldn't call Ned Zelic a brilliant player, he's solid I'll give him that. For
those that don't know he plays for Borussia Dortmund.....

                                                                   -dave-

P.s Ya can have Paul Stewart for 100 quid if ye want him
!!!!!!!
35.869I'll be back.ESSB::MCUNNIFFELIVERPOOL WILL ALWAYS BE BESTFri Jul 16 1993 19:4514
    <<< Note 35.867 by AIMTEC::WICKS_A "U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there!" >>>
                 -< I cried - it was almost perfect Cunnoism! >-

>>  Perhaps we could coax Cunno out of retirement to do a similar piece
>>  on Liverpool?
    
   
    
    Andrew,
           I didn't go into retirement yet. I'm reading most of the time
but "I'll be back".

     C U N N O

35.870BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismMon Jul 19 1993 14:0423
    
    Everton march 'triumphiantly' across Europe on the pre-season tour of
    Switzerland and Germany......
    
    Thursday
    
    Grention (sp ?)  1-5   Everton  
    (Swiss second          Cottee 2, Preki 2
     division)	           Some big Dutch trialist
    
    Friday or Saturday
    
    Berne	     1-0   Everton
    
    Sunday
    
    Nuchatel (sp)    1-2   Everton
                           
    
    The Hateley rumour turned up again at the weekend... Kendall is meant
    to have asked Rangers to name their price.
    
    Paul 
35.871?YUPPY::PANESThe bus in front is a RoutemasterMon Jul 19 1993 14:4018
       <<< Note 35.870 by BLKPUD::WATTERSONP "nil status nil optimism" >>>

    
>    Everton march 'triumphiantly' across Europe on the pre-season tour of
>    Switzerland and Germany......
    
>    Thursday
    
>    Grention (sp ?)  1-5   Everton  
>    (Swiss second          Cottee 2, Preki 2
>     division)	           Some big butch trialist
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      


    Wont he be a little out of place amongst the Toffees diminutive 
    team?

    Stuart
35.872BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismMon Jul 19 1993 15:1310
    DUTCH !! Learn to read you dozy b*gger !!!!

    Stuart,
    
    do you want to borrow my 'Guide to obscure first division grounds' ?
    Tim Moran gave it to me, but I won't need it for another year yet....
    
    
    Paul
35.873SIOG::DAWSONMon Jul 19 1993 20:3718
    
    
    I dont think that Hately will come to Goodison ,I heard at the weekend
    that the rangers players earned around 100,000 pounds each for last
    season on bonus,s alone ,He,ll be waiting awile for that kind of money
    on merseyside .
    
    Paul
    
    If you get a spare half-hour will you post the fixtures here please ??
    
    
    
    
               Cheers
    
                             Liam
    
35.874BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismMon Jul 19 1993 21:4214
    
    Liam,
    
    re the fixtures - I'll do it by the end of this week- honest !
    
    Hateley, I doubt if he'll be able to rise to the level required in the
    English game - look at the other cr*p Everton have signed from
    Scotland.
    
    Other rumours... Paul Wilkinson was mentioned - arrrrggghhh !! 
    So was Jason Dozzell, he'd be a million times better than Wilkinson,
    but so would a one-legged blind midget.....
    
    Paul
35.875YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Tue Jul 20 1993 00:5011
    
    
    re last
    
     I'm sure we can all remember how Hateley managed to rise to the
    level required for the English game when he took the p**s out of 
    the English league champions in the European Cup. Anyway, why 
    would he take a drop in wages, club stature, European football
    etc etc, to play in a mickey mouse toy town league.
    
     Danny.
35.876BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismTue Jul 20 1993 02:5516
35.877Southern Midgets !!PAKORA::TDOLANTue Jul 20 1993 03:1814
    
    Come ON !!
    
    How can you say that Hateley and Ferguson are big ???
    Both of them aren`t any bigger than about 6ft 4"..
    
    
    Well they aren`t big to me.... I`m 6ft 10"..
    
    
    
    Are you a midget ??
    
    Tam.
35.878BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismTue Jul 20 1993 03:318
    
    Blimey - have the pubs chucked out up there ?
    
    
    Anyone over 5'8 is tall compared to Everton's present midgets.
    
    Paul
    
35.879NaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwPAKORA::TDOLANTue Jul 20 1993 03:497
    
    
    
    It`s a small world !!!
    
    Tam.   8*))))))
    
35.880Better the devils you know ? ... I think not!MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Jul 22 1993 16:1118
    
	Paul / Liam,

	It seems, according to note 31.677, that Mr. Townsend IS on his
	way from Chelsea, but he's NOT heading for Goodison.

	Still, I suppose I'll be able to see him on my visits to Villa Park
	next season 8^)

	I presume by the lack of further transfer talk that our Mr. K was
	unable to prise any more lolly out of the board during his meeting
	up stairs. Does this mean that we're stuck with what we've got
	for the coming season ?

	Regards

	Ian
	
35.881BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismThu Jul 22 1993 17:2017
    
    Ian,
    
    yeh Townsend signed for Villa last night, not exactly a surprise. Still
    there's always Hateley to look forward....... (only joking - please no
    more abuse from Jocko land).
    
    Everton announced a profit of nearly 1M quid, but I'm sure that all came
    out of the 2.5M they got for Keown. Shaun Brooks has finished his trial
    and will not be offered a contract. Everton won 7-2 at Lausanne (sp?)
    some Swiss third division team - next game's on Saturday, away to
    Shalke 04 in Germany.
    
    
    No transfer news.
    
    Paul
35.882So your wife hasn't got the BLUE cheque book !MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Jul 22 1993 19:3320
	Paul,

	Damn, you beat me to it ! 
	I've just been handed this information in the Gaurdian newspaper ..

	  "Everton are back in the black after heavy losses in the
	   last two seasons. The Premier league club made a profit
	   of 991,444 spondoolies."

	.. actually they didn't say 'spondoolies', but I haven't got a
	pound symbol on my keyboard.

	Is this the only good news Evertonians are going to hear this
	season I wonder ?

	Regards

	Ian

35.883Presque au revoirMOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryTue Jul 27 1993 17:0622
	Paul, Liam and all Evertonians in the football conference,
	including Dallas in read only mode at the moment,

	The time has come (well almost) to say goodbye. I'll be leaving
	Digital on Friday and going back to England, so I'd just like
	to thank all the noters for providing hours of entertainment
	and lots of interesting information over the last year, I've
	really enjoyed it.

	Paul / Liam, as I am going to be back in the U.K. I'll probably
	go to the opening game of the season at Southampton, so if we
	could arrange to meet up then that would be great.

	Thanks again, but I hope to put in one parting comment on Friday
	before setting off for the aerogare.

	Regards

	Ian


35.884Cheerio !!!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Jul 27 1993 21:0115
    
    
    Good Luck Ian  in what ever you choose to do in the future..
    
    Maybe you should get Paul,s phone number and give him a ring 
    if your going to be at any matchs,
    
    Southampton isint deffinite for me yet but i,m working on it .
    
    
       Good Luck again 
    
    
    
                          Liam
35.885BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismWed Jul 28 1993 02:5710
    
    Ian,
    
    I'm stranded in America at the moment (it's hell, but someone's got to
    do it...) I'll drop you a mail before Friday. (I can't mail you from
    here)
    
    Anyone know the result from the Schalke 04 game on saturday ?
    
    Paul
35.886Where in America?AIMTEC::WICKS_AU.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there!Wed Jul 28 1993 04:467
    Paul,
    
    I hope you not drinking that cold beer! 
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks (in Atlanta)
35.887Schalke 04 2-0 your boys.....KBOMFG::TANNERU2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!!Wed Jul 28 1993 14:477
   I saw highlights of the game, and yer boys struggled against a fairly weak
Schalke team. Southall looked very slow, but wasn't to blame for the goals. You
still have a while to sort things out, but I don't know who'll be doing the
goal scoring for ye this season....

                                                                -dave-
35.888BLKPUD::WATTERSONPnil status nil optimismWed Jul 28 1993 21:1412
    
    Andrew,
    
    I'm drinking anything that's got alcohol in it..... hic..
    I'm in Marlboro Mass.
    
    Dave,
    
    thanks for the short report - Schalke got relegatedlast season didn't
    they ? - can you remember who played for Everton ?
    
    Paul
35.889Schalke 04 finished around mid-table Paul....KBOMFG::TANNERU2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!!Thu Jul 29 1993 15:228

   Paul they still play in the first division, with all the other good teams,
Frankfurt, Bremen, Dortmund... etc... The reporter didn't know any of the 
players except Southall who I also know but I have no idea who the other players
were, I just know it wasn't pretty to watch from either team.

                                                                      -dave-
35.890Au revoir, maintenant MOEUR1::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryFri Jul 30 1993 12:5717
	Paul / Liam,

	Thanks for your good wishes and the best of luck to you in the
	future. Thanks also for the mail Paul, I will give you a ring
	the week before the Southampton game and hopefully we can
	meet up, with Liam as well if he can make it.

	 Good luck to the BLUES for the coming season
	 (I think we might need it !).

	All the best

	Regards

	Ian

35.891Good LuckSIOG::DAWSONFri Jul 30 1993 14:1416
    
    
    
    RE-1
    
    Again Ian   best of luck ...
    
    Maybe the Blues will do something this year  (remember 83)
    
    
    Keep the faith ..................
    
    
    
                       Liam
    
35.892Only bid for those who are willing ....SIOG::DAWSONWed Aug 04 1993 12:4019
    
    Whats Kendall up to now ?????????
    
    A 2m offer for Niall Quinn rejected ,He only signed a 5-year deal 
    last year ,There was no way he was leaving main rd .We are starting
    to become the club with the most rejections ...
    
    Walters,Venison ,Townsend ,Deane,Ferguson,etc etc all refused to 
    come to Goodison .Maybe he should try the lower divisions and start
    getting rid of the excess baggage ,Should i mention them again
    Rideout ,johnson,Beagrie,Warchzya (sp) and a few more besides ...
    
    
    
                     Liam
    
    p.s Paul please post your mailing address here .
    
    
35.893Mc Nally Hardly the Answer !!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONWed Aug 04 1993 12:4211
    
    
    I forgot to mention Alan MC Nally has been at goodison for pre-season
    training and Kendall says that He (MC Nally) feels that he could do the
    job for the blues .I wonder myself ??????????????
    
    
    
    
                                Liam
    
35.894Too good for Everton anyway.AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Aug 04 1993 13:016
    re last
    
    That's MCINALLY .
    	     -	
    
    Kev...
35.895A Good GUY .....SIOG::DAWSONThu Aug 05 1993 14:1614
    
    
    Rumour has it that if Mc Inally (sp) plays for Everton ,they will have
    to pay 250,000 pds to Bayern munich ,who payed him off in some
    insurance claim .Anyone know anything about this  ????
    
    
    
    
                          Liam
    
    
    p.s. Why didn,t Kendall go for Guy Whittingham  ? 47 goals last season
    and we would have got him for 800,000 pds......
35.896BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportThu Aug 05 1993 14:3221
    
    Liam,
    
    it's Paul Watterson @OLO. 
    
    I'm dubious (yet again) about this McInally stuff, he was meant to play
    at Hearts last week, but dropped out becuase the German FA wouldn't
    release him. He looked good at Villa a few years back, but he's been
    out of the game for a while I think - another BIG gamble by Kendall.
    
    Anyway, Everton won at Hearts the other night - only 2-0 (Cottee and
    Jackson scored) a bit disappointing considering the strength of the
    opposition......
    
    Any of you nice Scottish Hearts supported got a report ?
    
    Everton have two games lined up, Port Vale away on Friday, then
    Southport away on Saturday - I assume the Port Vale game will be the
    first team and Southport the reserves.
    
    Paul
35.897Re. McInally!!!!KBOMFG::TANNERU2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!!Thu Aug 05 1993 15:236
    Lads its about 2years+ since McInally last played for Bayern Muenchen, so its
a big risk.....


                                                                -dave-
35.898FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayThu Aug 05 1993 15:257
35.899Freindly's are boring...KIRKTN::CPATRICKSome Will,Some Won't,I WouldThu Aug 05 1993 15:4619
    
    I had the misfortune of having attended the Hearts V Everton game
    last Monday night in Henry Smith's testimonial game and all I can
    say is "what a load of rubbish" Hearts looked as if this was an end
    of season game... I think even Hibs could have beat us on this form.
    
    Everton were'nt too impressive either and as I say the way the Hearts
    were playing it would be an injustice to say how good or bad Everton
    are.1 player who really shone (like a bulb in a blackout) was MOJO..
    
    He played in the 1st half and was 'Crap' ........
    no wonder he cant get a 1st team game ........
    
    Rangers on Saturday in thwe 1st premier game of the season....
    
     2-1 to Hearts....
    
     SQF Jambo
    
35.900BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportThu Aug 05 1993 15:5310
    Thanks for that, can you clear a few things ?
    
    Did Johnston play well or badly ? (I suspect badly - his usual...)
    
    What were the goals like - when were they scored ? Can you remember who
    played for Everton, were there any Everton supporters there ?
    
    Paul
    
                                                                 
35.901GYMAC::DCASSIDYThu Aug 05 1993 17:326
    
    In yesterday's German Sport Bild, McInally was reported as a retirement
    due to injury after his 4th operation. If Bayern get 7s6d for him
    they'll be lucky...
    
    
35.902Bring on the RangersKIRKTN::CPATRICKSome Will,Some Won't,I WouldThu Aug 05 1993 17:5921
    re.900
    
    Paul.
    
    Johnston played really poor,I can see why he does'nt get a game very
    often.I think they only played him because it was against a Scottish
    club.....
    
    The goals were scored in each half,and although Everton only
    scored 2 it could well have been 4 or 5,The Hearts defence was all
    over the place and Everton were taken the crap out of them......
    
    The 2 goals were very similiar,the long ball down the wing and
    crossed into the box with the Hearts defence posted missing (again).
    The finishing was good though,especially Cottee's goal,he took it well
    on the volley and left Henry Smith with no chance....
    
    There was about 2-300 Everton fans there and they seemed to
    enjoy themselves.
    
     SQF Jambo
35.903Rambo for the Blues - or AYR?AYOV29::DCHALLONERThu Aug 05 1993 20:1710
    Re McInally.
    
    	He played for Ayr against Blackburn last week - in a testimonial
    for Ally McLeod - remember Argentina? -;)  (Its probably been commented
    on in the AYr topic)
    
    	Considering the lentgh of his layofff, he quite impressed (mind you
    it was all _very_ relative... -;)
    
    Dave
35.904Information junkies of thw world, unite and take over!GLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfFri Aug 06 1993 20:3814
    Re Watterson
    
    Paul,
    
    obviously back from Hell?
    
    Don't suppose you went to Edmonton to see Canada vs Australia last
    weekend?  The "solid" Zelic caused an own-goal with a trademark solo
    run, but 2 scrappy goals saw Canada through. Return leg is on in Sydney
    next week. We are there!
    
    Any news on Whittingham? Anywhere's got to be better than Portsmouth.
    
    Peter
35.905BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportFri Aug 06 1993 20:5317
    
    Peter,
    
    Watch Australia playing ANYTHING - no chance !
    
    I've been to the Isle of Man as well since the US... it's tough being a
    jet-setter (or is that Isle-of-Man-steam-packet-ferry-setter).
    
    Anyway, there's still no transfer news, Whittingham signed for Villa
    last week, Alan (injury-prone and hasn't played for two years) McInally
    plays tonight against Port Vale, as does some Danish trialist who I've
    never heard of and forgotten his name already.
    
    Are you over here soon or shall I bung the video in the post to you ?
    
    Paul
    
35.906go the bluesGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfFri Aug 06 1993 20:588
    Paul,
    	It's Ica speaking, Peter's done his back in and can't get there,
    but I'll be at the Arsenal game 28th August and the Villa game at
    Goodison on the 31st. I'll meet you in the Sportsman from 6pm onwards.
    
    You'll know me, I'll be the idiot yelling 'Gooday'.
    
    Ica
35.907BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportMon Aug 09 1993 14:0434
    
    Port Vale 1-1 Everton  Att ? - about 1000 Evertonians
    
    Oh dear - nothing's changed since last season, same faces, same inept
    display and now no Beardsley. It's going to be a long hard season.
    
    McInally was so poor he made Johnston look average - McInally was
    substituted at half-time and won't be offered a contract. The other
    trialist Miklos Molmar played in the second half and didn't look too
    bad - he created the goal when he was pulled down as he rounded the
    keeper - Ablett converted the penalty to put Everton 1-0 up after about
    55 minutes - Port Vale equalised with about 10 minutes left.
    
    Team
    
    Southall
    
    Holmes
    Ablett
    Ebbrell
    Jackson
    
    Rideout (worse at centre half than centre forward) - replaced by Neil
    Moore after 20 minutes - Moore looked solid
    
    Warzycha - replaced by Preki at half-time - Preki was Everton's best
    player
    
    Ward
    McInally (Molmar)
    Johnston
    Beagrie
    
    Paul
35.908What !!! No young stars .....SIOG::DAWSONMon Aug 09 1993 15:1620
    
    
    RE -1
    
    What no Billy Kenny or Stu Barlow ????
    
    
    Knowing Kendall lately he,ll proably sell to pair for less then 1m and 
    Kenny will become the new Keane and Barlow the new Ian Wright...
    
    Paul  Southhampton is no-go for me at the moment but i,ll definately
    get to a game Aug/early sept .I.ll give you the appropiate notice 
    (24 hrs)
    
    
                  Cheers
    
    
                               Liam
    
35.909BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportMon Aug 09 1993 15:528
    
    Liam,
    
    Barlow played for the reserves at Southport on Saturday - he scored
    twice in a 2-2 draw. He's refused to sign a contract, so he's on a
    weekly contract at the moment......dunno about Kenny or Unsworth.
    
    Paul 
35.910Bring on Aldo .....SIOG::DAWSONTue Aug 10 1993 21:147
    
    
    Everton  play Tranmere tonight in the last friendly before the big
    kick-off on saturday.
    
    
    
35.911Phew ..A lot to be said for Saturday games only !!!SIOG::DAWSONWed Aug 11 1993 12:3859
    
    
    Here are Everton,s fixtures for the Premier carling League ..
    
    AUG 14  Southampton  A
        17  Man City     H
        21  Sheff Utd    H
        25  Newcastle    A
        28  Arsenal      A
        31  Villa        H
    
    Sept 11 Oldham       A
         18 Liverpool    H
         25 Norwich      H
    
    Oct  3 Spurs         A
         16 Swindon      A
         23 Man Utd      H
         30 Ipswich      A
    
    Nov  6  Coventry     A
         20 Qpr          H
         23 Leeds        H
         27 Wimbledon    A
    
    Dec  4 Southampton   H
         8 Man City      A
        11 Sheff utd     A
        18 Newcastle     H
        27 Sheff wed     H
        28 Blackburn     A
    
    Jan  1 West Ham      H
         3 Chelsea       A
        15 Swindon       H
        22 Man utd       A
    
    Feb 12 Ipswich       H
        19 Arsenal       H
        26 Villa         A
    
    Mar  5 Oldham        H
        12 Liverpool     A
        19 Norwich       A
        26 Spurs         H
        29 Chelsea       H
    
    Apr  2 Sheff Wed     A
         4 Blackburn     H
         9 West Ham      A
        16 Qpr           A
        23 Coventry      H
        30 Leeds         A
    
    May  7 Wimbledon     H
    
    
    Thats it folks ..The wombles at home last game of the season when we
    bring the trophy to Goodison....
35.912EBYGUM::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportWed Aug 11 1993 13:1223
    
    Liam,
    
    I knew if I left it long enough you'd get round to it...... :-)
    
    Tranmere 1-2 Everton  Att 8,000ish
    
    I couldn't be bothered going last night, but according to the radio it
    was a pretty bad game. The Danish bloke played up front for the second
    half but didn't do much - so he'll probably be released today. Tranmere
    scored first after Ablett had missed a penalty, Cottee equalised just
    before half-time. Beagrie scored the winner in the last couple of
    minutes. Can't remember the team, but Johnston was on the bench and
    Rideout played up front, Snodin also played - other than that, and
    Cottee's return I think it was the same 15 or 16 who were in the sqad
    at Port Vale.
    
    Kendall has made a last minute bid to bring a new player to Goodison
    (remember Rideout this time last year...:-( ), anyway the players being
    mentioned are Mark Bright (again) and Brett Angell of Southend.
    
    Paul
                 
35.913?YUPPY::PANESThe taming of the Stu...NOT!Wed Aug 11 1993 14:1511
       <<< Note 35.912 by EBYGUM::WATTERSONP "London Boston Southport" >>>

>    (remember Rideout this time last year...:-( ), anyway the players being
>    mentioned are Mark Bright (again) and Brett Angell of Southend.
    
    Paul
                 
    I don't know how to break this to you but don't the two potential signings
    have a darkish hue?

    Stuart
35.914BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportWed Aug 11 1993 14:517
    
    Stuo,
    
    obviously a reflection of the strong anti-racism stand taken by Everton
    FC over the last few years.
    
    Paul
35.915I,d go for Angell ....SIOG::DAWSONWed Aug 11 1993 19:5612
    
    I wouldn,t go for Bright as he didn,t repeat his prolific goal scoring
    since he departed company with Wright  but Brett Angell seems a good
    prospect and he,s younger than Bright too.
    
    
    
    Anything but RIDEOUT .............
    
    
                         Liam
    
35.916Bring back HowardGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfThu Aug 12 1993 18:3017
    Heard a rumour that Nigel Jemson is up for grabs. Surely He couldn't
    knock us back?
    
    If he does, how about Kendall and Harvey to lace up the boots again,
    and Paul Power to carry the drinks. Like the England cricket team, we
    could go down "swinging".
    
    Prediction:
    
    Soton Scum 2
    Everton Glory 2
    
    And Paul Bracewell for head of the EEC
    
    Best for Saturday (and Australia v Canada Sunday)
    
    Peter!
35.917Sad to see MOJO go ..................NOT...SIOG::DAWSONFri Aug 13 1993 12:4621
    
    
    
    All the papers are heralding the departure of MOJO this morning..
    I must admit i,m sadly disappointed that he didn,t make the impact
    that he should have when he came to goodison.
    An other loss making transaction for Kendall as we will proably
    only get 750,000pds for him ,after paying 1.5m .
    
    
    I think his scoring record was something like 10 goals in 30 starts.
    He seems to be slagging Kendall off too in the papers ,asking why did
    kendall buy him in the first place ??? This would have been obvious to
    me.but he certainly didn,t live up to expectations....
    
    
    Good Riddance...Now if only someone would take Rideout aswell...8-)
    
    
                   Liam
    
35.918BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportFri Aug 13 1993 13:2314
    
    Liam,
    
    Johnston going on the transfer list came a few hours after he was
    charged with drink driving.... coincidence perhaps....
    
    Arsenal are considering a bid, if they can convert him to
    centre-half...hic
    
    I've got the tickets for Southampton (it's bl**dy all-ticket so I had
    to rush to Goodison yesterday to buy them) We'll have a drink for you
    on the way and watch out for me on the box.
    
    Paul
35.919Come on yee BLUES ....SIOG::DAWSONFri Aug 13 1993 19:3712
    
    
    
    GOOD LUCK  to the Toffee,s tomorrow ,hope they dont need it ...
    
    
    Paul  have a good day and i promise i wont do any predictions this
          year..
    
    
                           Liam
    
35.920Three points out of three ....SIOG::DAWSONMon Aug 16 1993 12:4216
    
    
    Everton went top of the premiership ,for a few minutes ,on saturday 
    when Beagrie scored the first goal of the season.And i missed it ...
    Good win for the blues,I heard it could have been more than the final 
    0-2 .
    
    Awaiting a biased match report from" our man at the dell"
    
    
    I just read some disturbing news in one of the Irish papers saying
    Kendall is prepared to sell Ablett to refinance another bid for a
    striker !!!!! Tell me it,s not true ....
    
    
                    Liam
35.921BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportMon Aug 16 1993 13:4763
    
    Southampton 	0-2	Everton   Att 14,000ish
    				Beagrie 12, Ebbrell 44
    
    Stunning... Everton scored twice, hit the woodwork twice and only an
    inspired display by the Southampton keeper kept the score down.
    However, only time will tell if Everton are really that improved or if
    Southampton are one sh*te team....
    
    Cheered on by 2000-3000 enthusiastic supporters Everton dominated the
    game from the start with Beagrie having one of his inspired days and
    Snodin running everything in midfied. The first goal was a belter from
    about 20 yards which beat the keeper at the near post - the only
    surprise was that it took Everton so long to score the second and make
    the game safe. Ebrell hammered it in from about 5 yards after the
    keeper had saved Cottee's shot.In between the goals, Beagrie hit the
    post and Everton had three or four other half chances.
    
    The second half was pretty boring Everton were happy enough to contain
    Southampton, although there was a couple of minutes where Southampton
    laid siege to the goal and Everton cleared two off the line. The
    highlight of the second half was Ablett's stunning overhead kick which
    came back off the bar.
    
    The section for away supporters is vastly improved at the Dell, they've
    completely knocked down the old terrace and put in a whole new stand -
    there's no fences, the seats were comfortable and you could actually
    see the whole pitch - a new experience at Southampton. The only bad
    point was the toilets - 6 toilets for 1,500 people in that end was a
    slight underestimation.
    
    Team
    
    			Southall
    
    Ablett	Jackson	Watson		Holmes
    
    	Ward	Ebbrell Snodin		Beagrie
    
    		Cottee	Rideout
    
    Subs
    
    Kearton
    Barlow
    ? - can't remember
    
    Transfer news...
    
    Liam, the Ablett story was in one of the papers here yesterday - once
    Hinchliffe's fit, Ablett's out - what a disgrace, the man is a star !
    Also in the papers was a story that Snodin's had a bust-up with
    Kendall and is meant to be on the transfer list. According to the radio
    this morning Kendall has spent the weekend talking to Chelsea about
    Graham Stuart.
    
    And finally....
    
    I was speaking to Ian Pratley over the weekend and he asked that I say
    hello to Dallas - the read-only Evertonian noter from Evry.
    
    Paul
                                                          
35.922BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportWed Aug 18 1993 19:0014
    
    
    Everton	1-0	Man City  Att 26,000ish
    Rideout 18
    
    I didn't go but I was glued to the radio. Another good performance by
    Everton, City were never in the game except for a couple of attempts in
    the last minute - Nev made a brilliant save from Flitcroft and Vonk hit
    the post. Everton created a lot of chances, but only converted one,
    Rideout's first goal for months. The bad news was injuries to Watson
    (concussion) and Snodin (foot !)
    
    Paul
        
35.923BLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportFri Aug 20 1993 14:189
    
    Graham Stuart signed last night - he will play on Saturday and the fee
    will be decided by tribunal next Tuesday. Everton have offered 750,000,
    Chelsea want 1.5M.
    
    Stuart Barlow has resolved his dispute and signed a one year contract.
    Sunderland have inquired about Johnston.
    
    Paul
35.924Down the MiddleESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Fri Aug 20 1993 15:446
35.925PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURFri Aug 20 1993 18:505
    
    I think Everton have got a bargain, I have seen Stuart playing many
    times for Chelsea and he will be missed at the bridge.
    
    Andy..B
35.926A Tower of Strength for The DiddymenPANIC::ANDERSONEndsleigh League Div 1 (Midlands)Fri Aug 20 1993 19:257
    Watto,
    
    Is this the 'big man' Everton have been searching for ?......
    
    ....oh, no ! Surprise, surprise he's only 5'8"
    
    Ando
35.927EBYGUM::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportFri Aug 20 1993 19:5711
    
    
    Andy..B, 
    
    does he play in the middle of midfield aswell ? He impressed me at
    Goodison last season when he played wide for Chelsea. 
    
    Rob,
    
    shut up or I'll get Paul Doesnowt sent back to your lot.
                                                          
35.928PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURFri Aug 20 1993 20:036
    
    The times that I have seen him, he's always played on the right. he's
    a very exciting young player and I'm sorry to see him go. Do you
    remember the goal at Sheffield Wednesday last year ?..
    
    Andy..B
35.929EBYGUM::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportFri Aug 20 1993 20:078
    
    
    yeh I think so, was that at Hillsborough where he beat about six
    players before he scored ?  
    
    What's the reason behind him leaving Chelsea - money ? 
    
    Paul
35.930Or Was It In Your Honour ?PANIC::ANDERSONEndsleigh League Div 1 (Midlands)Fri Aug 20 1993 20:2914
      Paul,
    
 >>>> What's the reason behind him leaving Chelsea - money ? 
   
    You're obviously so surprised that someone has finally said yes to
    Howard ;-)
    
    Rob
    
    P.S. The number of joint Notts County/Everton fans in existence
    increased by 50% last week with the birth of our third child. My wife
    wanted to name him after an Evertonian (as if!), but I wasn't impressed 
    with the likes of Neville or Maurice, so he just had to be Paul after the
    inimitable Mr. Rideout.
35.931PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURFri Aug 20 1993 20:397
    
    One of the reasons is about money, but I also feel that there is
    more to the story than whats been said.. He probably had a run in
    with Bates..
    
    Andy..B
    
35.932FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayFri Aug 20 1993 20:554
Didn't Glen Hoddle threaten to quit as soon as Ken Bates interfered with the
team?

Mike
35.933EBYGUM::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportFri Aug 20 1993 21:0610
>>    You're obviously so surprised that someone has finally said yes to
>>    Howard ;-)
    
    You've hit the nail on the head - I can't remember the last time a
    player came to Everton out of choice, rather than just being dumped by
    someone....
    
    Paul
    
    PS Congrats on the sprogg - good choice in name.....
35.934PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURFri Aug 20 1993 21:119
    
    I also heard the same this about Hoddle, if its true then i cant
    see Hoddle being at the Bridge very long. Bates has always had to
    much say in the managing side of the club, this shows when you look
    at the amount of managers that Chelsea have got through in the past 
    years..
    
    Andy..B
    
35.935Top for the league for 24 hoursBLKPUD::WATTERSONPLondon Boston SouthportMon Aug 23 1993 15:1837
    
    
    Everton		4-2	Sheff Utd  att 24,000ish
    Cottee 35,85,90 	        Whitehouse 1, Cork 89
    Ebbrell 44
    
    Another cracking game, I know it's still early days, but maybe....
    
    Anyway, Everton were 1-0 down within the first minute, but then
    controlled the game and scored four, with a bit of luck, could have
    had another three or four. Sheff Utd played their usual slightly more
    subtle than Wimbledon game, but Everton out-fought them in all
    departments. The big difference this season is the midfield - Snodin
    is still injured, but Ward had a great game as did Ebbrell. Stuart had
    a quiet game, but did enough to suggest he will be a good asset.
    Beagrie was brilliant until he was crudely chopped in the build up to
    the second goal. Cottee was his usual self - sh*t hot in the six yard
    box, if Everton can keep providing him with this kind of service, he
    should be on for 25+ league goals. 
    
    The next two games are the big test, Newcastle away and Arsenal away -
    if Everton can remain unbeaten after them two, I might start to feel
    slightly confident.
    
    Team
    
    				Southall
    		Holmes				Hinchliffe
    
    			Ablett		Jackson
    
    	Stuart (Barlow 75) Ward 	Ebbrell		Beagrie (Preki 47)
    
    			Cottee		Rideout
    
    Paul
                      
35.936PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onMon Aug 23 1993 16:3815
    
    Congrat's on your impressive start, niceties over back to the Stuart,
    Bates, Hoddle conversation.
    
    Stuart had been a bit unsettled at the bridge for a while, I remember
    him requesting more money from Webb whilst he was there.  Stuart missed
    a couple of games while they sorted out their differences.  Basicaly
    Stuart believed he was better than his salary reflected.  He's good but
    not that good (IMHO).
        
    Hoddle has said he will go if Bates interfere's, I'd like to believe
    him but actions speak louder than words and all that.  One things for
    certain Bates will get involved, I don't always see it as a bad thing. 
    
    Loz.
35.937Four in a row Perhaps !!!SIOG::DAWSONWed Aug 25 1993 21:4411
    
    
    Newcastle away tonight !!!
    
    Here,s for four in a row ..........
    
    
    
    
                         Liam
    
35.938Sorry, guysMOEUR1::SMITHThu Aug 26 1993 11:082
    
    Newcastle won!
35.939BLKPUD::WATTERSONPCalais Boston SouthportThu Aug 26 1993 14:1020
    
    Newcastle 	1-0 	Everton
    Allen 18
    
    Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t - very disappointing to lose to one of the relegation
    favourites. 
    
    Highlights from the radio commentary................
    
    Everton were very nervous for the first 20 minutes, but even then
    should have taken the lead when Cottee intercepted a backpass and hit
    the bar. Newcastle's goal took a wicked deflection to leave Nev well
    beaten. The rest of the game was mainly Everton dominating and
    Newcastle hitting them on the break. Everton had three or four other
    half chances, but couldn't convert any - Nev made a few good saves.
    
    Snodin and Watson missed the game and Beagrie went off with a
    recurrance of Saturday's injury.
     
    Paul
35.940tuff luck...EICMFG::HOWELife's a pile of sh*t, when you look at it!Thu Aug 26 1993 14:318
    
>>    Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t - very disappointing to lose to one of the relegation
>>    favourites. 
    
    Am I seeing things? Relegation favourites my A^s! The result is all
    important. I wonder how many more Geordies will take your *BAIT*
    
    Keith.
35.941don't mention monkey hangingBLKPUD::WATTERSONPCalais Boston SouthportThu Aug 26 1993 15:1412
    
>>>    I wonder how many more Geordies will take your *BAIT*
    
    Well, it's not difficult to wind up a Geordie is it...... :-)
    Still, at least you lot aren't talking about winning the league
    anymore...
    
    Anyway, back to football.. Everton have drawn Lincoln in the coca-cola
    cup - first leg away week beginning 20th Sept. Graham Stuart's fee gets
    set today by a tribunal.
    
    Paul
35.942FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Aug 26 1993 20:353
35.943Off to the Derby ...SIOG::DAWSONFri Aug 27 1993 12:5223
    
    
    Arrgh   I take a week off ,the Blues win three in a row ,I come back
    and they lose 1-0 to Newcastle ..
    From all accounts that i read they could have won it ,apparently
    Cottee and Rideout both missed chances from close in (7-8 yards etc )
    
    Ah well The Arse on saturday ,no predictions !!!
    
    
    With the sacking of Peter Reid yesterday i wonder how long it will be
    before he is back in the blue fold ??
    
    Paul
    
    I have my plane ticket for the derby-game on the 18th I just hope they
    (sky) dont change this to a sunday/monday game .Whats the availability
    of match tickets like ???
    
    
                              Liam
    
    
35.944HelloEBYGUM::CUNNINGHAMSEverything you know is wrongFri Aug 27 1993 13:1410
    Hi there Liam, (remember me???)
    
    Yes I'm back again.....
    
    Anyway re. derby tickets, they were giving out vouchers at Saturday's
    game, and I might have a spare one for the top balcony.  They are
    taking postal application - but only with the vouchers, I think.  Give us
    a shout if you'll need the voucher.
                                                 
    Stuart.
35.945Rideout must go ......NOWSIOG::DAWSONTue Aug 31 1993 12:4019
    
    
    Beaten by the Arsenal again  ...Drat..(well Ian wright anyway)
    Everton must be his favorite club to score against ..
    I listened to the match on radio merseyside and even if the
    first goal was off-side (confirmed by mssrs Hanson and Brooking)
    we were well beaten and didn,t threaten until Preki came on for 
    Stuart in the second half.
    RIDEOUT MUST GO !!!!!! He had a chance near the end ,only three yards
    out with only Seaman to beat but fluffed the shot ,I think he missed
    the ball completly.
    Rumours persist and gather momentum re Niall Quinn coming to Goodison
    In todays "daily star " it says he had talks with horton and is
    wondering where his future lies.Kendall should move quickly will the
    iron is hot and pay the 2m asking price.Imagine Quinn and Cottee being
    supplied by Beagrie ,Stuart and Preki ..
    
    
                                 Liam
35.946Tickets please ...SIOG::DAWSONTue Aug 31 1993 12:4519
    
    
    re-2
     
    
     Stuart 
     Any vouchers ,tickets etc would be appreciated ,there is five of us
     going and we are going to try and get tickets from Goodison ,being
     members of the Everton supporters club in dublin might just get us 
     them ,but then again .
    
    
    Paul 
     If you are going to this match ,dont bring your car 8-)8-)
     The boys are on the MARCH  again.
    
    
                           Liam
    
35.947BLKPUD::WATTERSONPCalais Boston SouthportTue Aug 31 1993 15:1916
    
    Liam,
    
    I'll be there - armed with a bit of beer money and no car.....
    Bring plenty of duty frees, it's your round.
    
    Did you see the picture of the Evertonian in the North Bank in the
    Daily Mirror today ? - It's a classic.
    
    
    Villa at home tonight - Beagrie returns, but Snodin and Watson are
    still out. The Quinn rumour is very strong at the moment, Rideout
    hasn't been that bad this season, but that spell at Notts County has
    obviously blunted his goalscoring abilities... :-)
    
    Paul
35.948Ride OUTBLKPUD::HUGHESSTue Aug 31 1993 18:267
    Did you see the Liverpool Echo Pink?
    
    It said Paul Rideout could stil fulfill his potential! 
    
    He must be on his way then.
    
    GET QUINN QUICK.
35.949Get the last of your derby Tickets ....SIOG::DAWSONTue Aug 31 1993 18:5520
    
    
    re Rideout   What we need Kendall to do is give him a vote of
    confidence "he can still do a job for us " etc etc and then
    we know he,s on his way for sure .
    
    Villa tonight and Townsend is back for them .He always plays well
    against the Blues (hows that for a curse on him ).Again no predictions
    
    
     I started doing the football pools last week and would you belive it
    (yes judging by my predictions the last few seasons ) I had Rangers 
    down for a home win and norwich to beat Swindon for a nice little 
    earner .All my other results were right .Bet rangers lost on 
    purpose ..
    
    
                   Liam 
     (who will be glued to radio merseyside tonight because i cant get 
      radio city over here)
35.950BLKPUD::WATTERSONPCalais Boston SouthportWed Sep 01 1993 02:1611
    
    Another disappointing defeat....
    
    Everton	0-1	Aston Villa Att 24,000ish
                        Whittingham 32
    
    Everton had a few chances before Villa scored - but once they went
    behind they were clueless.......
    
     Paul
    
35.951Another 3 points dropped unessecarily...SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 01 1993 20:4620
    
    
     I listened to the match last night ,it was on both merseyside and
     radio 5 .Everton had plenty of chances ,the best falling to Beagrie
     who rocketed a shot off the inside of the post ,only for it to bounce
     back out .Plenty of pressure from the blues but just couldn,t get the
     equlizer.Whittingham scored what was described as a beaut on his full
     debut.I cant understand why Kendall didn,t put a bid in for him ??
    
    
     3 wins following by 3 defeats  typical Everton ,just when they had us
     believing in them.Ah well we will just keep plodding along in
    mid-table mediocrity if this continue,s ..
    
    
                Pixxed off
    
    
                           Liam
    
35.952Bring on the reds*&#e ..SIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 10 1993 21:0713
    
    Oldham away tomorrow ,They beat us 1-0 last year ,it was a dull 
    encounter live on sky and I had to watch it on my own ..
    
    Watty must be out as he hasn,t written in over a week !!!
    
     Any news on tickets for us eh !!
    
    
      8 days and counting ....
    
    
                        Liam
35.953BLKPUD::WATTERSONPwho me ?Fri Sep 10 1993 21:2011
    
    
    Liam,
    
    I'm here - abusing the Irish in a different note.....
    
    Stewart's still got a voucher - BUT, tickets to voucher holders went on
    sale earlier this week. You might be able to sneak a postal application
    through, give Goodison a bell on 051 521 2020 - now !
    
    Paul
35.954BLKPUD::WATTERSONPwho me ?Mon Sep 13 1993 14:0326
    
    A big weekend....
    
    Everton win 1-0 at Oldham, Cottee scored in the 33rd minute - Everton
    could and should have scored more, but any win is welcome at the
    moment.
    
    Brett Angell has signed on a month's loan with a view to a permanent
    move - I never seen him, so I can't comment, but any new forwards are
    welcome - especially if they're taller that 5'6.
    
    And finally...
    
    Peter Johnson, millionaire owner of Tranmere Rovers (small club from
    the dodgy side of the Mersey) looks set to try and buy out the Moores
    family's stake in Everton - about 40%. If he succeeds he'll give
    Kendall some real money to spend - rather than force him to sell (as
    has happened with Keown and Beardsley) - hopefully...... 
    
    The Moores family are also major shareholders at Liverpool (small club
    from the dodgy side of Stanley Park) and are about to invest a fortune
    in rebuilding of the Kop so they  are not in a position to spend money
    on the redevelopment of the Park End at Goodison and bring in new
    players.
    
    Paul
35.9556 days and counting ...SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 13 1993 21:0916
    
    
    Almost a perfect weekend  Everton ,Shelbourne and Celtic winning
    Man u ,Liverpool and Cork getting beaten...
    
    Paul
    
    I have just got my tickets for the match on saturday but have to
    pick them up in the supporters club near Goodison .Can you make it
    to there about 1.00ish ??? 
    By the way do you want any duty-free ??
    
    
                       Liam
    
                           
35.956BLKPUD::WATTERSONPwho me ?Tue Sep 14 1993 01:399
    Liam,
    
    great news - I'll see you either in the supporters club or outside at
    about 1:00. A bottle of vodka would be apreciated (purely for medicinal
    purposes....)
    
    Paul
    
    PS - I might even have the fiver I owe Mike Connolly
35.9574 days and counting..SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 15 1993 22:2514
    
    
    RE Peter Johnson  Any more news ??
    
    He is reputed to be worth $60m and Everton need alot of money to
    do up the park end and also strengthen the squad .
    
    Where,s Billy Kenny these days ?? Is he injured ??and will Kendall
    play Brett Angel in the Derby on saturday ??
    
    
             Liam
    
    (vodka on the way ..)
35.958Another rumour for you EvertoniansRDGENG::SWIFFENThu Sep 16 1993 14:2510
35.959EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Thu Sep 16 1993 15:1522
    
    Chris,
    
    nice to see you back - now bog off and pollute the Liverpool note...:-)
    Mojo's pleaded not guilty to his drink-driving charge - so maybe there
    isn't something in the drugs thing. Don't you get charged with
    something else if the coppers thinking you've been on the 'Bob Hope' ?
    
    
    Liam,
    
    I saw something the other day that said Kenny's had some bad injury -
    knee I think. No idea when he'll be back. Harper's joined Luton on a
    free - a sad loss. Watson will probably still be out on Saturday.
    Angell plays for the reserves tonight, to be honest, I'd rather he
    missed Saturday's game - remember Glen Keeley ? Kendall signed him on
    loan from Blackburn, threw him into a derby game and the dickhead got
    sent off after 17 minutes - Everton lost 5-0 at home. Keeley never
    played again for Everton.
    
    Paul
    
35.960Allegedly.YUPPY::MCCABEMikeThu Sep 16 1993 15:515
35.961Derby Fever seems to be Getting to SomebodyESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Sep 16 1993 16:020
35.962EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Thu Sep 16 1993 16:226
    
    Pah too late...
    
    Can someone mail me the gist of the hidden note ?
    
    Paul
35.963EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Fri Sep 17 1993 16:239
    
    Brett Angell made his debut for the reserves at Villa last night - and
    scored. Kendall has said he played well enough to be on the bench
    tomorrow, presumably at Barlow's expense. Watson is still out with his
    head injury and Preki is doubtful. Snodin also played for the reserves
    last night, but isn't fit enough for Saturday's game.
    
    Paul
    
35.9641 day to go and i,ve stopped counting..SIOG::DAWSONFri Sep 17 1993 20:1111
    
    
    Paul
    
     See you tomorrow at the supporters club at around 1.00 pm.
    
    
     I,ll be the one with the vodka in my hand .
    
    
                      Liam
35.965BLKPUD::WATTERSONPwho me ?Mon Sep 20 1993 14:3740
    Everton 	2-0	Liverpool   att 38,000ish
    Ward 26
    Cottee 85

    Forget the scoreline, Everton murdered Liverpool in the most one-sided
    derby game I've ever seen. Souness' expensive misfits, has-beens and
    animals were never in the game from the first minute. 

    The only shock was that it took Everton so long to score the first goal
    - a screamer from Ward after Macmanananananan cocked up his clearence
    from a poor corner by Hinchliffe. This resulted in a disgraceful
    'handbags at dawn' slapping session by the has-been Zimbabwian and the
    sadly burnt out ex-winger - I was shocked that a club I had always
    admired should be so visibly tearing itself apart, I'm sure that nice
    Mr Souness will put things right......

    Anyway, the rest of the first half was taken up by Everton laying siege
    to the Liverpool goal - Barry Horne had probably his best every game in
    a blue shirt - controlling everything in midfield - even Rideout looked
    good, Brett Angell siting on the bench had an amazing effect on him.

    The second half was a similar story, however Liverpool did threaten
    briefly when Rosenthal came on, however the other big nosed red
    managed to miss when it looked easier to score - to be honest that
    was the only time I thought they might snatch something. Cottee
    battled brilliantly for the second goal, beating Dicks (what a fitting
    name for a Liverpool player....), nutmegging Wright and beating the
    sprawling Grobelaar - 2-0 and the celebrations began. 
    
    The Sunday papers were full of how poor Liverpool where, but it's
    a long time since I've seen an Everton team so hyped up and full
    of running and invention - few teams would have survived this
    performance. Liverpool were poor because Everton wouldn't let them
    play. No one had a poor game and Horne, Ward, Ebrell, Cottee and
    Rideout were outstanding.
    
   Liam, I hope you got back okay - I 'sampled' the vodka on the way home.
    
    Paul
35.966RDGENG::SWIFFENMon Sep 20 1993 14:5215
Paul,

A reasonably ok (ish) summary. Can't really argue. What did crack me up though
on a dismal day was Steve Rider saying on Grandstand that " a great atmosphere
at Goodison as usual!!!"  The only time the place is full is when it's derby
day and even then it is mostly Liverpudlians in the Street End, or it has 
been for the last three years I've been going. Luckily wasn't there this time,
as I usually sit in the Street end, so couldn't take the humiliation. To be 
fair though Liverpool were so poor that Everton could and should have scored
loads.  The quicker the fans favourite(!!) leaves the better. A good result
at Fulham may just be too much for even him to dismiss ( Sarcasm)
Anyway I will leave this note for you to gloat and praise the Blues, but the 
game is a lot easier when the opposition don't possess a midfield!!

Chris.
35.967Now seems like a good time...NZOMIS::SCHWABEForever Tuesday morning...Tue Sep 21 1993 06:1230
    
    Paul, Liam & Co,
    
        Now seems like a good time to do a bit of cheering and
    back-slapping from the other side of the world.  I have been keeping an
    eye on the Everton note in "read only" mode since I have worked for the
    company, and have supported Everton for years.
    
    I haven't offered comments up to now because I didn't really feel that
    I could add all that much to the conversation.... but the derby game
    was shown live on New Zealand TV, and I managed to get out of bed at
    3am and watch it.  
    
    When did Gary Ablett become captain?  The last comment I saw was that
    Howard was going to dump him when Hinchcliffe was fit... did he have a
    change of heart?  
    
    I would also go along with Paul's comments about the standard of
    Everton's play on the day - if guys like Horne, Cottee, Ward, and
    Beagrie continue to play that well, Everton will be a real force this
    year.
    
    Regards,  
    
    Simon 
    =====
    
    PS: I had to laugh at the look on Steve Nicol's face after he very nearly
    dismembered John Ebbrell during the first half - "who me ref??".
        
35.968EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Tue Sep 21 1993 11:5022
    
    Hello Simon,
    
>>    I haven't offered comments up to now because I didn't really feel that
>>    I could add all that much to the conversation....
    
    Don't let that put you off, it's never stopped me...... :=)
    
    Ablett was captain a couple of times last season as well - he's first
    choice if Watson's ever out. There were stories at the start of the
    season saying that both he and Snodin were up for sale - Tottenham were
    being linked with Ablett a couple of weeks ago, but nothing will happen
    until Watson's back. It'll be bad news if Ablett's sold - he's become a
    bit of a hero in the last year or so with his consistant performances.
    
    Lincoln away in the Coca-cola cup tonight - Nev's out with a knee
    injury so Kearton plays. Angell won't be playing - he's either already
    cup-tied or Southend aren't prepared to let him play in a cup game
    until the move's permanent.
    
    Paul
                                                              
35.969PLUNDR::MORANWaist not, want not!Tue Sep 21 1993 13:219
    
>    PS: I had to laugh at the look on Steve Nicol's face after he very nearly
>    dismembered John Ebbrell during the first half - "who me ref??".
    
    I'm not surprised Steve Nicol said "who me ref??" after the tackle on
    Ebrell, as the perpetrator appeared to be Ronnie Whelan from the MOTD
    highlights. ;-)
    
    Tim
35.970EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Tue Sep 21 1993 13:559
    
    Tim,
    
    trust you to be petty enough to pick up that - the poor lad was up at
    3:00 Am watching the game.
    
    Get back in your cage !
    
    Paul
35.971EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Wed Sep 22 1993 12:2228
    
    
    Coca-cola cup 2nd Rnd 1st leg
    
    Lincoln	3-4	Everton		Att 9,000ish (I think)
    ?,?,?               Rideout 3,
    			Cottee
    
    
    I only caught bits of the game on the radio, but it sounded 'very
    entertaining'... Lincoln scored first after about 15 minutes, Rideout
    equalised after about 25. Cottee scored the second just after half-time
    and Rideout seemed to make it safe on the hour. However Lincoln had
    other ideas and pulled one back immediately after a 'horrendous
    mistake' by Kearton (in for the injured Nev). They then equalised 
    about ten minutes later. Rideout snatched the win with five minutes to
    go.
    
    I think the defence had a bit of an off day, Lincoln also missed two
    other clear chances, one described by the commentator as 'even my
    granny would have scored that', but even if they'd scored, Everton won
    have probably won 6-5.
    
    The team was the same that played on Saturday except for Kearton - Ward
    was substituted by Preki, but I didn't hear who the other subs were.
    
    Paul
                                                                        
35.972Didnt we have a lovely day,the day we went to liverpoolSIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 22 1993 12:4342
    
    Well it took me two days to get to write ..Busy busy ..
    
    We had a brill weekend ,Great match ,great Craic and a million pints
    (slight exageration ,but only slight).
    
    Thanks for meeting us Paul ,give my regards to Malcolm Cantona and we
    will continue with his "how to chat-up barmaids " lessons the next time
    we are over  8-)8-)
    
    And so to the match  The Blues Pi@@ed all over the reds in every dept
    and it could have been 3/4-0 at half time only for the great saves 
    by Grobbatair ..It was only a matter of time when Everton scored and
    Ward blasted a low shot past a load of bodies in the box after a hasty
    clearance by macmanamen.Grob should have smacked walters for not
    getting it and not macca .
    The first half was all blue pressure .The second half was the same
    except for 15/20 minutes where liverpool might have got an eqaulizer
    only for some dogged defence work by Ablett,Jackson,Horne and Ward .
    I was expecting the reds to score ,not by the way they were playing
    but because they always sneak one when they dont deserve it ala 
    last year when rosenthal scored in the ninty-first minute .
    One thing that most people missed was when Jackson turned ,with the
    ball,clough on the edge of the box and clough jnr took a dive .It
    looked ridiculous because Jackson was six feet away when clough hit
    the ground.Its obvious that clough was told to dive anytime he got near 
    the box because we always get a penalty against the blues 8-)..
    
    When Cottee flitted thru dicks,ruddock and wright I,d thoght he had
    taken too much out of it but grob couldn,t hold the attempted save 
    and Cottee poked the ball into the net.Let the party begin !!!!!!
    
    Everton deserved the Win and the great thing was I was there to see
    the demise of the "great and mighty"liverpool.
    Good for the reds were Grob ,Rednapp and Macmanamen in patchs ..
    Very Good for the Blues were just about them all.....
    
    
            Cheers
    
                               Liam
     
35.973Lincoln still there .........NOT..SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 22 1993 12:5017
    
    
    Everton gave Lincoln a bit of hope for the second round second leg 
    of the coca cola cup by only beating them 3-4 .Rideout got a hattrick
    but i dont know who scored the fourth..
    
    Jason Kearton was in goal for the blues (noone would put three goals
    past Nev ,in the form he is in at the moment).
    
                     
    
                      Cheers
                              Liam
    
    p.s song for last weekend was  "I,m earth ,like i,ve never been earth 
    before " ( substitute hurt with a liverpool accent )Chi-lites or
    chiffons circa 70,s .
35.974Last night Everton - Next Saurday CHEFS::SMITHJWed Sep 22 1993 16:5912
    As a Lincoln City supporter, I can tell you that we were expecting to
    get a stuffing last night.
    
    This season in the league has been a shambles so far, ending up with
    virtually the entire first team squad being threatened with the
    transfer list last week.
    
    Good to see an attendance of 9100. This will have been very close to
    capacity and is, I think, the biggest crowd there since the final home
    game in the Conference when Wycombe were the visitors.
    
    John
35.975FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayWed Sep 22 1993 18:259
Aarrgghh, not another Lincoln supporter. 

My house mate is a fanatical Imps follower, so I had to put up with incessant
crowing all last night because of the score.

My misery was compounded by the fact that my beloved Donny were cruelly robbed
in the first round by Huddersfield.

Mike
35.976EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Thu Sep 23 1993 17:558
    
    Sorry to rudely interrupt the Lincoln note........   :-)
    
    Brett Angell played again for the reserves last night and scored twice,
    I think Kendall will give him a run out for the first team on Saturday.
    
    
    Paul
35.977ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSIOG::DAWSONTue Sep 28 1993 12:1417
    
    
    Normal service was resumed at Goodison when the Blues went down 
    5-1 to Norwich on saturday ..
    The scoreline was flattering as most of the norwich goals were scored 
    on breakouts from Everton pressure .Everton went one up ,then hit the
    bar before norwich equalised .They then again came close by hitting the
    bar again before Nkokoo (sp) ran riot and scored 4.
    He then admitted after the game that he was a die-hard Liverpool fan
    and was exacting revenge for last weekend.
    I feel sorry for Everton fans everywhere especially the 14 who went
    from the dublin supporters club.
    
    
    
                       Liam
    
35.978PLUNDR::MORANWaist not, want not!Thu Sep 30 1993 16:4710
    
    Watty,
    
    I bet you wish Ekoku had exhibited the same finishing ability against
    Everton, as he displayed last night, against Vitesse. I can't believe
    that guy could beat Southall 4 times in a career, let alone in one match.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Tim 
35.979EBYGUM::WATTERSONPwho me ?Thu Sep 30 1993 17:0713
	Slim,
    
>>    Hope this helps,
    
    Not at all !!!!!!
    
    Tottenham away on Sunday - should be a nice easy win as long as Everton
    remember to keep playing for 90 minutes, instead of 85 last season....
    
    Are you going Dave W ?
    
    Paul$still_sulking_after_saturday
                                                                          
35.980PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCThu Sep 30 1993 17:278
    
    >> Are you going Dave W ?
    
    NO...its live on SKY, so that'll do me. 
    
    Ive only attended once this season, shamefull.
    
    Dave...
35.981EBYGUM::WATTERSONPVote with your CVMon Oct 04 1993 18:048
    
    Tottenham 3-2 Everton
    
    See the Tottenham note for full details.... 
    
    I'm off sulking for a week to somewhere warm and sunny.
    
    Paul
35.982EBYGUM::WATTERSONPVote with your CVThu Oct 14 1993 14:0310
    
    
There is now an Everton mailing list. To subscribe send mail to:

everton-request@wg.estec.esa.nl.

Acknowledgements to Tim Moran for mailing this to me.....
    
    Paul
    
35.983In the Netherlands...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Oct 14 1993 17:056
re -1

A Everton mailing list centred in the Netherlands.  Do they know something we
don't?

                               James.
35.984EBYGUM::WATTERSONPVote with your CVThu Oct 14 1993 17:1612
    
    Pah - don't mention The Netherlands !
    
    Anyone been awake in here while I was away ?
    
    I heard that Angell has gone back to Southend, Snodin is on the
    transfer list  - Everton beat Lincoln 4-2 in the Coca-cola cup -
    Crystal Palace at home in the next round. 
    
    Any more news ?
    
    Paul
35.985EBYGUM::WATTERSONPVote with your CVMon Oct 18 1993 13:5372
    Stolen from the Everton mailing list...........
    
    Paul
    
    hi..
    
    something resembling a report on Saturday's game..

Swindon Town

Digby
Summerbee,nijholt,Taylor,Bodin
Moncur,Nclaren,Ling,Fenwick
Maskell,Mutch

Subs Horlock,Fjortoft

Everton

Southall
Jackson,Ablett,Wtson,Ablett
Ward,Ebbrell,Horne,Beagrie
Cottee,Rideout

subs Barlow,Preki.

    not exactly  a great game to be honest which was made even worse by
    Shaun Taylor's last minute equaliser.That's 5 points we've now thrown
    away in two away games. There was one change to the team from the
    Lincoln game,Dave Watson coming back in to the side with Matt Jackson
    moving across to right-back and Paul Holmes being dropped.

    we started reasonably well and actually scored from a set piece!

    A long throw from Jackson was flicked on by Rideout(?) and the ball
    fell to Beagrie who half-volleyed home from about 12 yards..the goal
    coming after 27 mins..

    just after this Rideout (who was doubtful before the game) went off
    with agroin strain to be replaced by Stuart Barlow.

    we had the better of the chances in the second half,Nev only having to
    make one save worthy of the name,but at the other end Barlow was
    showing his Imre Veradi-like ability for missing chances..

    the first occurred when clean through on Digby,he overran the ball.The
    worst tho was when he managed to put the ball over the bar from one
    yard out.

    Beagrie also missed a one-on-one firing at Digby.

    Preki replaced Barlow with 10 mins left,Swindon having made a double
    substitution after 68 mins with Horlock and Fjortoft replacing Maksell
    and Mutch.

    Swindon got their equaliser in the last min when the ball was headed on
    for Taylor to knock the ball home..

    Barry Horne was booked along with Nijholt of Swindon,the crowd was
    14,414..

    we're still missing too many chances and the finishing is going to have 
    to improve against Man.U on sat..

    the best thing about the game was the return of Dave Watson after 10
    games,the defence looks a lot more secure with him in the team..

Geoff
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35.986European hangover I hope...SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 22 1993 20:0012
    
    
    Big game tomorrow ...against the Reds of manchester ...
    
    No predictions ,but if we lose i,ll be broke for a few weeks ..
    
    
    
    
                        Liam
    
    
35.987EBYGUM::WATTERSONPVote with your CVMon Oct 25 1993 14:5744
Everton 0-1 Man Utd  Att 35,000ish

Team

	Southall

Holmes	Ablett	Watson	Hincliffe

Ward 	Ebrell 	Horne	Ward

	Cottee	Barlow

Subs;

Preki
Jackson

What a poor game, Man Utd didn't look interested in making a game of
it and Everton on the whole weren't capable. Barlow's confidence has
gone and after he'd missed the best chance of the game after about seven
minutes, he disappeared leaving Beagrie and Cottee to do all the work up 
front. The midfield huffed and puffed, and did well against Utd's midfield,
but never did anything coming forward.

Beagrie had a good game and always caused the Mancs problems, but with only 
Cottee to feed off him, chances were few and far between. Schemicheal pulled
off two good saves against Cottee and Beagrie when they got clean through, 
but other than that Everton created nothing. Sharpe scored for the Mancs
after 53 minutes with probably their only serious attempt on goal. Watson
had a good solid game in defence, showing just how much he's been missed
in the last couple of months. 

Everton's problems were obvious for all to see, Cottee will always scores
goals given the opportunity and Beagrie can always cause havoc in the
oppositions defence, but they desperatly need a big strong centre forward
to make things happen in the box. Rideout's done well this season and was
missed on Saturday, but I'm still dubious that he's the answer. Barlow's
had too many chances now and will not make the grade at Goodison. With 
Rideout still out and Cottee struggling with a hamstring injury, Kendall
has some 'interesting' selection problems for Tuesday's coca-cola cup game
against Palace at Goodison.


Paul
35.988FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingMon Oct 25 1993 16:266
>oppositions defence, but they desperatly need a big strong centre forward
>to make things happen in the box. Rideout's done well this season and was

How about that big guy playing for Oldham - he looked useful on Saturday!!

g
35.989Come back Sharpy !EBYGUM::WATTERSONPVote with your CVMon Oct 25 1993 16:426
    
    re .988
    
    Don't rub it in or I'll mention Southampton !!!
    
    Paul
35.990Cup match tonightBLKPUD::HUGHESSTue Oct 26 1993 19:3511
    Prediction for tonight
    
    Everton 5 - 0 Palace
    
    
    Barlow (5)!!!
    
    
    Ok?
    
    Simon
35.991BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIgrunent Norvern gitTue Oct 26 1993 19:5112
    Oh sh*t - that's it, I can see the headlines tomorrow...

    'Major cup upset as First Division minnows, with well-balanced racial
    policy (but don't mention Mr Noades), stuff Premier giants with alleged
    Afrikaner connection'

    Simon - didn't you know it's the kiss of death to put predictions in
    here ?
    
    
    Paul
35.992Watty match report FREE ZONEBLKPUD::HUGHESSTue Oct 26 1993 20:088
    Look I was bored and I like tempting fate and anyway I'm going and
    you're NOT. So shut up and read a quality match report tomorrow.
    
    Everton 6 Palace 0
    Barlow 5
    Southall 1
    
    
35.993SHAWB1::STOCKMANSTue Oct 26 1993 20:105
Yer,

Part time supporter!

Si
35.994Keep playing 'til we equalise OK ref?YUPPY::PATEMANI'm a Mean Green Mutha from Outa SpaceWed Oct 27 1993 11:256
    Premier League Cr*p struggle to draw with tiny South London club who
    no-body cares about but me and Paneso.
    
    See you in South London boys - turn over coming up!
    
    Paul
35.995The turning point ...SIOG::DAWSONWed Oct 27 1993 11:3832
    
    SACK KENDALL  !!!1
    SACK HARVEY  !!!!
    SACK CARTER  !!!!!
    
    SACK THE BOARD  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Watson equalises ................
    
    
    
    
    
    Come on you Blues ,Come on you Blues ................
    
    We,ll support you evermore    8-)8-)
35.996Part Time Supporter Inc.BLKPUD::HUGHESSWed Oct 27 1993 14:1735
    
    Everton 2 Palace 2
    Beagrie    Southgate
    Watson     Thorn
    Att 11,500 (NOT)
    
    There's nothing like  a last minute goal to paper over the cracks.
    Everton were clueless and spiritless. There was no running off the ball
    and no confidence. Palace had more ideas, more spirit and were unlucky
    not to win. I was in the upper Bullens sitting next to my next door
    neighbour who happens to be a Palace supporter so to come from 2-0 was 
    especially sweet. However he tells me that over the years that Palace
    have done the same with 2-0 leads before.
    
    Watson was Everton's best player after Beagrie. A determined Center
    Half that plays his heart out and who is thrown up front for the last
    twenty minutes when Everton are losing. Doesn't it remind you of
    another dark era...... Mick Lyons.
    
    Holmes at right back seems very naive. He just follows the ball and not
    the man. And I've never seen a professional who is so obviously just
    picking up his wages as Hinchcliffe. Ablett played well. Horne did his
    job defensively but he's just a grafter. Barlow won't make the grade
    but does alot of running which is alien to the rest of the Everton
    players. Beagrie was superb but he's like Terry Curran was, a crowd
    pleaser in an otherwise indifferent team. Ebbrell. Was he playing?
    Stuart...  A little fat tub of lard and did nothing. Cottee.. no
    service no confidence. Both Preki and Snodin improved things when they
    came on.
    
    Its going to be a long season and a short one cup wise.
    
    Ipswich away Saturday. I won't be going ;-)
    
    Simon
35.997Sack the lot ........8-)8-)SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 01 1993 11:5524
    
    
    A good win on saturday against Ipswich away 0-2 Beagrie and Barlow 
    ( at last getting off the mark,but still missed some sitters ).
    
   " If my aunty had balls etc " If Everton hadn,t slipped up in the 
    last few minutes of two matchs ,Spurs ..winning 2-1 with three mins
    to go and end up getting beat 3-2 and beating Swindon 1-0 until they
    equalised in the last minute , WE WOULD BE SECOND now !!!
    
    I dont think Graham Stuart is the answer either ..He was commentating 
    on Radio Merseyside on saturday and all he wanted Everton to do was
    hang on to our 1-0 lead .Doesn,t he know attack is the best form of
    defence.Maybe me slagging him off will produce the goods because it 
    has worked before  ala Sell Rideout the stocking (now we miss him badly 
    that he is injured ) The same with Beagrie (who is having a blinder of
    a season so far and Might get a England call up yet ,before the season
    is over )
    
    
           Only 4 points of second place and rising ...
    
                                 Liam
     
35.998Shot down the Eagles ...SIOG::DAWSONThu Nov 11 1993 12:0415
    
    
    See .669 for a similiar match report only change the scoreline to
    
    
    
    Palace 1  Everton  4 
    
    There is something awful about watching any match on Granada ..Do they
    use different film  ???
    
    More later 
    
    
                          Liam
35.999BLKPUD::WATTERSONPThu Nov 11 1993 12:2913
    
    A good result, but I didn't think it sounded like a particulary good
    performance. The wild men of Borneo went ahead against the run of play,
    but after that Everton scored three of the four goals at crucial times
    - the second straight after half-time and the third with just under ten
    minutes to go to knock the stuffing out of Palace. I thought the ref
    was cr*p - first for ignoring the obvious penalty in the first half and
    then for not sending Martyn off when he finally did give a penalty.
    
    Watson's second goal was superb - he should give Barlow some lessons,
    not a bad goal by Eric Young either.......
    
    Paul
35.1000and to think I wished you luck in the next roundYUPPY::PANESSigourney Weaver lookalikeThu Nov 11 1993 12:457
Watty,

Go to your room. Noone likes a bad winner.

Hugs,

Paneso
35.1001EBYGUM::WATTERSONPEric Eric Eric YoungThu Nov 11 1993 13:0312
    
    Sorry Stuo,
    
    It doesn't happen very often and I got carried away - it won't happen
    again.....
    
    
    
    I'd like to wish Palace good luck in the battle against relegation this
    season. :-)
    
    Paul
35.1002Premier Prima-DonnasYUPPY::PATEMANI'm a Mean Green Mutha from Outa SpaceThu Nov 11 1993 13:0511
    Watty,
    
    Just why should the ref have sent off Martyn? Yes, he brought down
    Barlow (or Cottee - some midget anyway), but by collision rather than a
    cynical foul, but the ball was on its way out of play. Very sensible
    application of the rules. Now, as for yello wcarding "Nev" for
    deliberate, persistant time wasting (and being a miserable git....)
    
    And after we were all concerned for Rideout....
    
    The other FE fan
35.1003EBYGUM::WATTERSONPThu Nov 11 1993 13:2013
    
    Paul,
    
    yes the reception Rideout got was very touching - and I'm not blaming
    Young BUT watching on telly (I know ! I know ! I'm sounding like your
    average Man Utd supporter...) I thought Martyn made a deliberate
    attempt to take Cottee out - it wouldn't have made any difference to
    the result had Martyn gone or stayed, but after the Schmichael/ Speedie
    incident the other week, I get the feeling that refs are starting to
    'bottle it' on this sending off rule.
    
    
    paul
35.1004Ticket Info Mr WattersonESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Mon Nov 15 1993 22:309
35.1005BLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Nov 16 1993 12:266
    
    Brian,
    
    I'm pretty confident that it won't be all-ticket.
    
    Paul                               
35.1006PLUNDR::MORANBetter Dead than Smeg!Tue Nov 16 1993 13:062
    
    Even for away fans?
35.1007Tubby or not tubby fat is the questionBLKPUD::WATTERSONPTue Nov 16 1993 13:128
    
    He didn't say for away fans... 
    
    I suspect it probably will be for your lot - why are you planning to 
    go ? If so I'll phone up Goodison and get them to strengthen a couple of
    seats for you...... :-)
    
    Paul
35.1008PLUNDR::MORANBetter Dead than Smeg!Tue Nov 16 1993 13:305
    
    Haven't you just got a season ticket *you* could lend me, you not-so-slim
    person yourself? I may go actually, it's a certain away banker.
    
    Tim
35.1009Another bogie team ...SIOG::DAWSONMon Nov 22 1993 12:0816
    
    
    I didn,t mention that we were turning out against QPR on saturday 
    because thats all we did .They are becoming one of our bogie teams
    (like half the premiership)and they hammered us again !!!!
    
    Kendall must be worried ,If we dont beat the Mancs in the cc cup 
    he could be on his way by christmas (is this blaspheming)..
    
    for the record  Everton 0 QPR 3
    
    
    
    
                 Liam
    
35.1010WOTVAX::WATTERSONPTue Nov 23 1993 15:298
    
    Another bl**dy disaster on Saturday - three hard games coming up
    against the in-form Leeds at Goodison tonight, Wimbledon away on
    Saturday, then the Mancs next Tuesday. Rideout's out for six weeks and
    Beagrie's missing tonight, so I could imagine the pressure starting to
    build on Kendall if Everton don't get much from these games.
    
    Paul
35.1011SHAWB1::STOCKMANSTue Nov 23 1993 16:587
re -1 

		NOT ARF!

Couldn't have said it better myself Paul!

Si
35.1012heat off for the momentEBYGUM::HUGHESSWed Nov 24 1993 19:097
    
    
    
    1-1 with Leeds good result. Everton fine away record at selhurst park
    should see us ok on saturday. Do Wimbledon have undersoil heating?
    
    Si
35.1013Dont mention tonight SSSSSSSSHHHHHH !!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Nov 30 1993 12:0318
     
    Wombles 1 Everton 1 
    
    somebody      Barlow
    
    Another marvellous draw ...Well it,s a point and we have now reached 
    the heady heights of twelfth ,a bit familiar this position.
    
    How long do we have to put up with this mediocrity ?????
    
    
    The Mancs tonight in the fizzy drinks cup ,no comment i have too much
    money riding on it  8-)8-)..
    
    
                                  Liam
    
    
35.1014BLKPUD::WATTERSONPKnow digital - no futureTue Nov 30 1993 15:0212
    
    Liam,
    
    I'll predict an easy 4-1 for the Blues tonight....
    
    
    
    I don't give a s**t (am I allowed to say s**t Mr moderator ?) anymore,
    I shall be parting company with digital on 4-Mar-1994 or sooner with a
    reasonable wad of money.
    
    Paul 
35.1015last person leaving turn out the light !!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Nov 30 1993 19:5516
    
    
    
    re -1
    
    Sorry to hear your leaving ,So am I on  the 25 feb ..
    
    I,ll send you a e-mail tomorrow ...
    
    
    
                Cheers
    
    
                             Liam
    
35.1016And then there were three...KBOMFG::KOEPPECounting the days...Wed Dec 01 1993 11:477
    Re last 2:
    
    Beat both of you, I'm gone on the Dec 23rd. ;-)
    
    All the best
    
    Eduard
35.1017Kendall Part 2 1990-1993BLKPUD::HUGHESSMon Dec 06 1993 12:5814
    
    Everton 1 	Soton 0
    cottee			att 13,000
    
    Another 3 points closer to safety but overshadowed by Kendall's
    announcement. I believe he has done the honourable thing. He had made a
    mistake coming back to Everton three years ago, hasn't achieved
    anything and knows the Kendall out shouts are only around the corner.
    He's given the club a chance to get somebody new in, who might get some
    new backers. I 'd like Coppell to get the job but the trend is for a
    former player.
    
    Simon  (March 4th also)
    
35.1018Blame the board and fans not the managerPIECES::63585::SWIFFENMon Dec 06 1993 13:1511
Kendall to be fair, didn't have the money to spend
on anyone.  The Everton fans are too fickle, as proved
in yesterday's Sunday Telegraph, they only turn out for
the Liverpool game and then over half of them disappear
again, no wonder the club are in debt!!

Funny on MOTD when they interviewed people in the Everton
Social Club, one was a Liverpool supporter who offered 
Souness for free!!

Chris.
35.1019BLKPUD::WATTERSONPKnow digital - no futureMon Dec 06 1993 19:4222
    
    Chris,
    
    you're speaking out of your bottom - the Everton fans have been very
    patient with Kendall. Fickle doesn't come into it, Liverpool are only
    getting good crowds now because 20,000 assorted Cockneys, Brummies and
    wooleys make the trip to Anfield every other week. A couple more years
    with Souness in charge and their crowds will drop as well.
    
    I'm sad that Kendall's gone - the rumour is that he asked the board for
    1.5M for Dion Dublin and they wouldn't sanction it - whether that's
    because the board (who know **** all about football) didn't rate him,
    or even worse because he is black. Either way, the sooner someone buys
    Everton and brings them into the present century, the better. 
    
    As to who will replace Kendall, I'm clueless. Peter Reid's meant to be
    the early favourite, but they'll struggle to find anyone until someone
    stumps up some cash and buys the club. Things look very bleak and I
    suspect Everton will need a minor miracle to avoid relegation.
    
    Paul
                                                              
35.1020ODE TO KENDALL ...SIOG::DAWSONTue Dec 07 1993 12:1126
    
    
    re 1009,1010
    
    Sometimes i hate it when i,m right ..
    
    Kendall had to go because of the mediocrity setting in the club..
    Money is tight and thats the only way things were going to change.
    Rumours abound about take-over bids with Richard Branson mentioned 
    as a possible contender.All Evertonians loved Kendall and he loved 
    the club and always tried to please the supporters but sometimes you
    need more (money ).Kendall believed we weren,t too far off a great side
    two or three players he said ,is all we needed .I would agree if we 
    played like we did against Liverpool this season ,every week but look
    at the points we threw away this year Spurs and Swindonand Newcastle 
    come to mind..
    
    The simple answer is a "Jack Walker" type take-over bid.I.m not sure
    Reidy would make a good job as manager ,too similar to Kendall .
    
    
    More later 
    
    
                    Liam
    
35.1021Monopoly anyone >?>KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeWed Dec 08 1993 22:5015
    
    
     I can't see the chaps who control Everton letting go that easy. As I
    understand the situation, these same people also control Liverpool.
    Someting to do with the family who owns Littlewoods Pools I believe.
    
    Sounds like they've got a good thing going on Merseyside. Bet they make 
    an offer for Tranmere soon aswel, it would be good business to control 
    the Numero Uno side in the district aswell as the first two mentioned.
    
    
    Gazzer
    
    
    ;-)
35.1022No calls tonight pleaseBLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalWed Dec 08 1993 23:4012
    Gary,
    
    Let me educate you...
    
    The Moores family control both Everton and Liverpool (and Littlewoods
    pools). A few months ago, they decided to sell their stake in Everton,
    probably because of the amount of cash required for the redevelopment
    of both Goodison and Anfield. Until someone comes in with some dosh,
    the club will continue to struggle. As far as the Moores are concerned,
    the sooner they flog Everton the better.
    
    Paul
35.1023Ten p1's comming at 2130 !KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeWed Dec 08 1993 23:5512
    
    
    Paul ,
    
    
         Consider me educated.
    
    I see  you had no retort to my stating that Tranmere are the
    number 1 team in the area though !!
    
    
    Gazzer.
35.1024BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalThu Dec 09 1993 00:057
    
>>    I see  you had no retort to my stating that Tranmere are the
>>    number 1 team in the area though !!
    
    Did I really need to ?  
    
    Paul
35.1025Hew haw...KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeThu Dec 09 1993 00:1111
    
    >>>>
    probably because of the amount of cash required for the redevelopment
    of both Goodison and Anfield. Until someone comes in with some dosh,
    the club will continue to struggle.
    
    Paul,  I sympathise.  A pony is a lot of dosh to most people these
    days.
    
    
    Gazzer.
35.1026NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyThu Dec 09 1993 12:024
  >  Paul,  I sympathise.  A pony is a lot of dosh to most people these
  >  days.
    
    ... but they do have a lot of donkeys there, though !
35.1027BLAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSIOG::DAWSONThu Dec 09 1993 18:2012
    
    
    Even City are beating us now ................
    
    Sack the Board !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sack Gabriel   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sack everyone  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
                              Liam
    
35.1028Saturdays GameESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Dec 15 1993 20:386
35.1029BLKPUD::WATTERSONPCynical ? - me ? - never !Thu Dec 16 1993 14:349
    
    Brian,
    
    I've just called Goodison - it's defo NOT all-ticket. The St End is
    unreserved seats and can be a bit dodgy getting into after about 2:00, 
    if you want a good view, go in the TOP BALCONY (and look for the 
    escalators, not the stairs)
    
    Paul
35.1030up an down!SHAWB1::STOCKMANSThu Dec 16 1993 18:3110
Bloody ell paul,

You love the top balcony don't you!

Mind you, I'd rather spending 90 minutes going up an down
the escalators an all! Bit more exciting don't you think.
You never know, maybe you'll SCORE with the toffee lady!
Now that'd be a RESULT!

Si...
35.1031BLKPUD::WATTERSONPCynical ? - me ? - never !Fri Dec 17 1993 17:187
    
    
    Simon,
    
    I'll miss you when I've gone.........
    
    Paul
35.1032SHAWB1::STOCKMANSFri Dec 17 1993 20:501
I know.
35.1033PLUNDR::MORANDeemed expendible!Mon Dec 20 1993 12:264
    
    Match report anyone?
    
    Tim (not gloating)
35.1034Happy X-mas to all fellow noters ....SIOG::DAWSONTue Dec 21 1993 21:4117
    
    
    
    Happy Christmas to all the Toffee,s around the world and lets hope 
    that the new year will bring a new beginning ..
    
    
    Latest news here is that Peter Johnson (he of Tranmere ) will be the
    next owner of Everton ..Lets hope his 15 m bid is sucessful ..
    
    
    
    
    
    
                  Liam
    
35.1035Santa wears blueGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfThu Dec 23 1993 15:0616
    4 months after being called the Antipodean Cunno, I've finally got the
    nerve to write.
    
    Re manager: it seems failed World Cup bosses are all the rage. Well,
    what about Australia's own Frank Arok? Continental football and
    inflammatory rhetoric assured.
    
    Re form: ho-hum. Thank goodness we're the best January team in the
    Division (private joke #1).
    
    Re the future: we are the hollow men, we are the stuffed men etc...
    
    Re the conspiracy: Watterson, Dawson, Kelly et al... we will miss you
    all. Happy paganisms and come on you Toffees.
    
    Nil sadists near the Otways (private woodchipping joke #2)
35.1036revisionist!GLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfThu Dec 23 1993 16:3125
                                 -< FOOTBALL >-
    And seeing as I'm not really Cunno, I thought I'd just REVISIT my
    Kendall for the chop prediction of off-season. Not that I was the only
    one, but "the most emotional and sentimental", thanx Simon!
    
================================================================================
GLADYS::CRAVEN (not!) "You are a case and a half"          107 lines  15-JUL-1993 15:51
                           -< a mandate for change >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      ... So, as Lenin said in 1902, What is to be done? With a dodgy financial
    situation, crap players and wavering support, the options are limited...
        
    ... Without them, we'll get
    stuffed again early in the season, confidence will fall, and Howard
    will take the high-dive. If that eventuates, I think they should give
    someone like Ratcliffe the job - it's worked before.
    
    I can't for the life of me see how the above's achievable in the current
    climate. Something has to give. 
    
    One of those times you wish you were wrong. 
    
    I know... watterson for manager!
    
    Peter
35.1037BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalThu Dec 23 1993 17:398
    
>>>    I know... watterson for manager!
    
    Thanks,
    
    but Everton couldn't afford me.....
    
    Paul$I'm_going_to_be_a_rich_b*stard
35.1038Condolences of the seasonGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfThu Dec 23 1993 19:053
    silly me, I thought you'd do it for lurve!
    
    How about Brett Angell, then?
35.1039BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalThu Dec 23 1993 19:1713
    
    Talking about Brett Angell, Barry Fry, now manager of Birmingham (ex
    Southend) has bid 250,000 for him - why were Everton offered him for
    1.5M ?
    
    I have it on good authority that Joe Royle will be manager in time for
    the Bolton game.. I'll believe it when I see it.
    
    Why didn't Neil Cossey wish us soon to be redundant Evertonians a happy
    christmas ?
    
    
    Paul
35.1040PLUNDR::MORANDeemed expendible!Tue Dec 28 1993 16:4817
35.1041BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalTue Dec 28 1993 17:5414
    
    Tim,
    I was being slightly sarcastic - I know it was totally out of
    character....
    
    Anyway, I saw last night's 'performance' on Sky - things are looking
    bleak. The jokers on the board have got to sort themselves out now,
    otherwise Everton will be in the bottom three before the new manager
    arrives. I'd rather have Johnson in, Kenwright's got too much Manc
    money behind him and considering he's been on the board for a while
    already, he's done b*gger all so far - at least a new man, Johnson,
    might make the big changes required.
    
    Paul
35.1042UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no Sanity Clause....Thu Dec 30 1993 12:3312
    re -2
    
    >Another poor result at home yesterday (0-2 Sheff Wed). Jimmy Gabriel's
    >chances of holding down the job look nil. I hear that Graham Taylor and
    
    Heard him on the radio this morning saying that he doesn't even want
    the job. With the chaos going on behind the scenes I can understand
    him, or anyone else for that matter, not wanting to take the stick for
    years of mismanagement.
    
    Paul.
    
35.1043lost againESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Dec 30 1993 13:173
They lost again last night, 2-0 at Blackburn.
    

35.1044lucky jimSUBURB::ABSOLOMTeat my nacksThu Dec 30 1993 13:356
    
    Gabriel has been confirmed as manager until the end of January.
    
    Tony
    
    
35.1045BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalThu Dec 30 1993 14:4410
    
    Saying that Gabriel is caretaker manager until the end of January is
    just another pathetic attempt by Marsh (The chairman) to take the
    pressure off the idiots on the board and dump it all on the players.
    
    If it really does take another five weeks to sort things out at board
    level before they can even think about getting a new manager, Everton
    will be relegated - 8 and a half hours without a goal is frightening.
    
    Paul
35.1046GOTTA GET MEANER !!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONThu Dec 30 1993 21:1226
    
    
    IS THERE ANYONE LEFT TO SACK ??? IF SO  SACK THEM TOO !!!!!!!!
    
    Its pathetic at the moment ,even luck is against us  i.e. the
    Sheff Wed match .Everton dominated the first 30/35 mins ,missed 
    a few chances ,Watson gets his nose broken and goes off and we end
    up getting hammered .I watched this in the pub on my own because i,m
    getting sick of being pitied ...
    EVERTON WAKE UP FOR F*#@,S SAKE !!!!!!!!
    Then we go and get hammered by Blackburn .A team we took 6 points off
    last season and none this one  PAAH...
    
    
                  SICK 
    
                     Liam
    
    
    p.s. Paul I was going to go over in feb but it will proably be a
    relegation battle with Chelsea or something .I think i,ll save 
    my money for the World Cup (now that i have the green light from
    my wife to go ),Oh i,m sorry paul I forgot you wont be there 8-)8-)
    
    
    
35.1047BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalMon Jan 03 1994 19:329
    Liam,
    
    watching Everton get stuffed or Ireland - what's the difference other
    than a few hundred quid...... :-)
    
    (Everton have finally scored after 10 hours and 40 minutes, but they're
    still losing 3-2 at Chelsea with about 10 minutes to go)
    
    Paul
35.1048'allo lads.SIOG::DPCS09::RUSSELLWexford All-Ireland Champions '94Tue Jan 04 1994 13:283
Hi Liam and Paul.....happy New Year...8^)

*Tiger*
35.1049PLUNDR::MORANDeemed expendible!Tue Jan 04 1994 13:339
    
    Congratulations on your goals at Chelsea.
    
    Everton are expecting to name their new manager today. Mike Walker of
    Norwich or Oldham's Joe Royle look to be the names in the hat. Both
    would be ideal as they've already had experience of running small teams 
    fairly successfully, with a negative budget.
    
    Tim                
35.1050BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalTue Jan 04 1994 15:317
    
    Thanks you condescending gits,
    
    according to rumours, it looks like Mike Walker will be the next
    manager at Goodison, it should be announced tonight.
    
    Paul
35.1051CHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Tue Jan 04 1994 15:517
    And why would Mike walker want to lower himself and join Everton when
    he has done so much with Norwich. If he does become manager of Everton,
    then he deserves the job for being so stupid, and leaving one of the
    best footballing teams in the country for a club who are to going down
    the league as Franz Klammer was to going down mountains.
    
    Rich.
35.1052Money,Money,Money.PEKING::COSSEYNWorld Cup 1994 ZZzzzTue Jan 04 1994 16:1810
    
    Re:1051
    
    Maybe it's to do with the huge wage rise....When has Norwich ever released
    6 Million for Walker to buy players.. At the end of the day money talks...
    Personally, I think Walker a good manager and will prove to be a great 
    one at Everton.....How many off Norwich's players will join him at 
    Goodison ?...
    
    Neil...       
35.1053NSDC::SIMPSONThe future sure isn't what it used to beTue Jan 04 1994 16:458
The second John Bond, perhaps? He did a great job at Norwich as well - but then
look what happened when he moved to Maine Road.

Actually, what DID happen - I never heard of him again?

Cheers

-Steve
35.1054JONPC1::ButtonBayern who?Tue Jan 04 1994 17:0515
re. John Bond

I'm not sure where he went immediately after Man City, but he finished 
his managerial career at Shrewsbury last year.   I have heard him a couple 
of times on Radio 5 this season as a match summariser.

re. Mike Walker

I cannot see what would be so attractive for Walker in going to Everton. I 
know that he has said that he would like to see how he would get on 
managing a big club, but Everton are hardly that at the moment!  With the 
boardroom situation as it is at the moment, I cannot see why anyone would 
take the manager's job.

Jon
35.1055Radio 5MUFC::TONYTue Jan 04 1994 18:514
Heard on Radio 5 this afternoon that Norwich have refused Everton to
approach M.Walker. They said that he is under contract and not available.

Tony
35.1056WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Jan 04 1994 18:584
    re last
    
    Managers ignore contracts -- look at Ardiles & Fry. This will unsettle
    Walker until he knows what Everton have to offer.
35.1057Not under contractLARVAE::FERRARO_AAntony Ferraro @UCGTue Jan 04 1994 19:044
    My understanding was that both Ossie and Fry were not under contract.
    Certainly this was the case with Ardiles. 
    
    Antony
35.1058BLKPUD::WATTERSONPIt's your loss digitalTue Jan 04 1994 19:3616
    
    Re a few back
    
    Yawn yawn - The usual anti-Everton ********.  Everton may not be the
    biggest club in the country at the moment, but it's only five years
    since they were widely acknowledged to be one of the 'big five'.
    Norwich have done well under Walker, but he's taken them as far as he
    can - where are they going to find 6 million quid (or even 20 million)
    for new players ?
    
    The simple fact is that the bigger clubs are going to attract the
    better players/ Managers purely becuase they pay more and win more.
    Would you stay at digital if someone offered you double your salary to
    do the same job ?
    
    Paul
35.1059TRUCKS::SANTso near yet sofa...Tue Jan 04 1994 20:4118
    
    	re 1054..
    	
    	Nothing much to do with Everton, but John Bond had a disastrous
    	spell (mis)managing Burnley after City. Took them into div 3, from
    	where they nearly dropped out of the league altogether a few years
    	later.
    
    	btw, I think the biggest problems at Everton lie in the fact that
    	"da management", ie. the board, have too much interest in what's
    	going on across Stanley Park. Everton are a proud and great club.
    	The current squad and total chaos are a complete disgrace and the
    	board should accept full responsibility. Howard Kendall was very
    	wise to get out when he did, and he should perhaps never have gone
    	back at all...
    
    	Andy.
       
35.1060R2ME2::HINXMANIn the range of strangeWed Jan 05 1994 18:128
	re .1058

>    Would you stay at digital if someone offered you double your salary to
>    do the same job ?

	If it meant moving to Liverpool to get the new job, yes.

	Tony
35.1061Welcome Mike Walker ,Welcome Change !!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Jan 11 1994 11:5231
    
    
    A bit quiet in here considering the latest developments ..
    
    I must say i,m happy that Mike Walker has decided to manage Everton
    It,s what we needed ,a man who is his own man (cliche)he has a good 
    footballing style which will suit Everton .He has a major task ahead
    of him and we cant expect miracles overnight .
    Interesting article in "the People" on sunday written by the famous
    (well to evertonians anyway) Andy Gray who blames Kendall for the mess
    we are in now.He says Kendall should never have left to go to spain.
    I agree with that .He also said Harvey should never have been given the
    job ,in hindsight i agree with that also ,(my hindsight is 20-20)
    He said Kendall should never have come back ,again i was delighted when
    he did but proably expected too much .
    So the rebuilding has to start immediately to stop our slide to the
    bottom of the premiership.
    
    Everton wont be relegated and the best we could hope for this year is
    a mid-table position and a good run in the F.A cup.
    
    COME ON YOU BLUES ...
    
    
                           Liam
    
    p.s. I look at last saturdays game as a good away result 8-)8-)
    
    p.p.s. Paul where do i reach you on the a1 ???
    
    
35.1062Blame Kendall??UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no Sanity Clause....Tue Jan 11 1994 15:4415
    re -1
    
    I always thought that it was Harvey who got Everton into the mess they
    are now in. Wasn't he responsible for paying big money (transfers plus
    salaries) to a lot of big-name players. I really can't see how you can
    blame Kendall - all he was doing was trying to better himself and gain
    financial security by going to Spain. Another person who is doing
    exactly that is your new manager.
    
    I think the main problem facing Walker will be in dealing with the
    board, in their current state. If another owner comes in then it could
    be much easier.
    
    Paul.
    
35.1063Has anyone seen Wattty ??SIOG::DAWSONThu Jan 13 1994 16:0011
    
    
    
    Watto Are ye out there ???
    
    If so send me and e-mail...
    
    
    
                         Liam
    
35.1064EBYGUM::WOODWARDJNot 'arf...Thu Jan 13 1994 16:175
Liam,

Watty left DEC last Friday.

Jim.
35.1065WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringThu Jan 13 1994 20:034
    Apparently he is contracting at Yorkshire Water, Bradford.
    
    One number I have is 0274 691111; this is the switchboard of one of
    their offices; they can find him from there....
35.1066BLKPUD::CLOUGHCI'm not boring you am I ?Thu Jan 13 1994 20:375
    
    He is contracting at Yorkshire Water - call him at home on (0704)
    535179
    
    Paul (errr errr I mean Colin Clough)
35.1067Another takeover?UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no Sanity Clause....Thu Jan 13 1994 21:018
    re -1
    
    >Paul (errr errr I mean Colin Clough)
    
    We're taking over.....Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.
    
    Paul.
    
35.1068Many ThanlsSIOG::DAWSONWed Jan 19 1994 11:5711
    
    
    re -1,2,3, 
    
    
     Thanks   I,ll  give him a call soon .
    
    
    
                Liam
    
35.1069ADDULT::ROBERTSONSome days are bouncers that won't let you inThu Jan 20 1994 12:519
Pretty quiet in here this morning!!!!

For those who don't know, Bolton did it again last night.

Everton 2	Bolton 3	aet

Everton were 2 - 0 Up.

Al
35.1070The Wanderers return!!!!!PIECES::63585::SWIFFENThu Jan 20 1994 12:536
One game wonders under Mike Walker eh??

One question - where did all the Evertonians at Goodison
suddenly appear from last night?

Chris.
35.1071SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksThu Jan 20 1994 13:215
    
    Walker out! Walker Out! etc etc...
    
    Tony
    
35.1072Harvey first to get the chop...SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 21 1994 20:1515
    
    
    Walker,s first hatchet job was to dismiss Colin Harvey.
    Harvey has been at the club ,as player,manager and coach for the
    last 30 years .A likeble fellow but as Everton goes he has little
    left to offer ..
    
    
    Man u tomorrow and the odds in the bookies are 13/2 for Everton
    to win .Must be worth a fiver eh !!!!
    
    
               Liam
    
    
35.1073Hi ho silverwareGLADYS::CRAVENYou are a case and a halfSat Jan 22 1994 08:591
    If only the Simod Cup was still around...
35.1074I hear an echo?GLADYS::CRAVENThere's only one David KangWed Feb 02 1994 15:4714
    Things are desperate when you have to reply to your own notes!
    
    Read today that Mike Walker was critical of the Welsh bods for signing
    Toshack on a part-time basis.
    
    How does "full-time Mike" find the time? Is this classic
    passive-aggressive avoidance of our own turmoils? We're not safe yet!
    
    If we have money to spend, I still say we need a big boofy back, a la
    Steve Bould. Goals for are frequent, but those against more.
    
    I know you're all still out there???
    
    Peter
35.1075PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURTue Feb 08 1994 15:054
    
    Anybody know the address of Everton football club....?
    
    Andy..B
35.1076PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onTue Feb 08 1994 16:087
    
    Andy,
    
    don't blow the place up, they may have stuffed us good and proper but I
    have some happy memories from visits to Goodison.
    
    Loz.
35.1077KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeWed Feb 09 1994 00:2512
    
    
    Just address it to 
    
    " Merseysides Greatest Team"
      Merseyside.
    
    
    Tranmere will gladly drop it in on their way past.
    
    
    Anon.
35.1078A good win now for the title race ....8-)SIOG::DAWSONWed Feb 09 1994 11:4828
    
    
    A Good win on saturday 4-2 against Chelsea  with Rideout getting a 
    "brace " ,Ebbrell scoring a rare one and "our new man Brett " getting
    off the mark .Stein got the two for Chelsea ,one being a late penalty
    after Ablett handled inside the box .
    If Walker persists with Angell and Rideout upfront where will Cottee
    fit in ??
    I can see a clean-out beckoning ..
    
    Ipswich at home on saturday and I darent predict a result .
    
    This is the third time i tried to enter a note but the network keeps
    going down.
    
    
                   Cheers
    
                                 liam
    
    p.s. The address for Everton is   Goodison Park 
                                      Liverpool
                                      L4 4EL
    
    p.p.s. I spoke to Watty the other day and he is missing this conference 
           already but will keep in touch with him when I go over to
    Goodison.
    
35.1079You're the one for me, Watty!GLADYS::CRAVENThere's only one David KangWed Feb 09 1994 14:2617
     Liam
    
    Good to hear from you again.
    
    Who do you fancy for the clean-out? And who are we going to buy with
    the $$$? Ned Zelic is having trouble in Dortmund (who wouldn't?) - maybe
    he should be our priority.
    
    If you see Paul, tell him Ica and I said "G'day" and wish him well in
    his new job. He was going to send me a copy of the 85 ECWc Final...
    tell him to tell us his address and I'll send some money over to cover
    postage and the tape.
    
    Staying up, staying up, staying up...
    
    Peter
    
35.1080Jan Eriksson for Everton?STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeFri Feb 11 1994 12:3818
    
    Hi,
    
    Jan Eriksson is having talks with Everton. Eriksson's current club
    Kaiserslautern has just bought a Czech striker Pavel Kuka meaning that
    Eriksson is out on Germany's x foreigner's rule. He is a key player for
    Sweden's World Cup bid, and requires first team Football.
    
    Eriksson is a central defender who can score goals with his head, as
    France and England found out in Euro-92. It looks like a good move for
    him and Everton. I think that Mike Walker appreciates talented
    footballers and let them use their abilities, unlike other English
    managers who try to mould skilled foreigners into the English
    workhorse model.
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan
35.1081Sure he can *head* the ball, but...PAVONE::TURNERFri Feb 11 1994 14:3717
    re: .1080
    >Eriksson is a central defender who can score goals with his head, as
    >France and England found out in Euro-92. It looks like a good move for
    >him and Everton. I think that Mike Walker appreciates talented
    >footballers and let them use their abilities, unlike other English
    >managers who try to mould skilled foreigners into the English
    >workhorse model.
    
    Well, that's as maybe, but for all his undoubted merits, Eriksson
    didn't exactly come over as Sweden's answer to Franz Beckenbauer during
    Euro '92. Methinks Everton will use him to combat the John Fashanu
    school of centre-forward play.
    
    Now if they'd really been looking for quality, surely Everton would have 
    made a move for a skilled *Norwegian*, like Bratseth of Werder Bremen...
    
    Dom
35.1082*The* skilled Norwegian?STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeFri Feb 11 1994 16:5922
    
    Hi Dom,
    
>    Well, that's as maybe, but for all his undoubted merits, Eriksson
>    didn't exactly come over as Sweden's answer to Franz Beckenbauer during
>    Euro '92. Methinks Everton will use him to combat the John Fashanu
>    school of centre-forward play.
 
    Perhaps, but I was rather thinking of your typical Tony Adams (or
    Gary Ablett) type of player, which seems more relevant. Surely Eriksson
    would come out favourable in the skills department when compared to
    most English central defenders?
    
>    Now if they'd really been looking for quality, surely Everton would have 
>    made a move for a skilled *Norwegian*, like Bratseth of Werder Bremen...
    
    Yeah, Bratseth is OK. Are you implying that there's more than *one*
    skilled Norwegian around? Why don't you tell Liverpool FC?
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan
35.1083Derby Day Approaches .....SIOG::DAWSONWed Mar 09 1994 21:2710
    
    
    Long time no notes ,,,
    
    Everton take on the Reds ,live on television,on sunday ..
    
    
     I,ll say no more 
    
    
35.1084ho hoSUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaThu Apr 14 1994 20:166
    
    Any of you Everton fans want instructions on how to get to Elm Park?
    
    Tony
    
    
35.1085SUBURB::SMYTHAMon Apr 25 1994 20:213
    
    But we (Reading) won't be in the second division next season...
    
35.1086dime, barSUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaMon Apr 25 1994 20:267
    
    Oh dear. I meant that both Everton & Reading would both be in the 1st
    division next season, therefore Everton fans....etc...get it?
    
    Tony
    
    
35.1087MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 03 1994 12:485
    Any Everton Fans about.... I can relay a full match report if ya
    want!!! ;->>>
    
    
    Rick.
35.1088GLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagWed May 04 1994 08:064
    No thanks but how about a score from last nights games
    	Any of you Scottish shifty workers awake?
    
    Thanks from the didgeridoo
35.1089PAKORA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrWed May 04 1994 08:327
    
      Hibernian 1  Rangers  0
    
      Dundee Utd 2  Motherwell 1
    
    
                       
35.1090GLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagWed May 04 1994 08:373
    Thanks, there's only one Ayr United.
    
    What about Oldham/Sheff.Utd?
35.1091YUPPY::PATEMANSome Fantastic PlaceWed May 04 1994 12:284
    1-1
    
    Hope we're not playing you next season - say hello to Grimsby for us.
    
35.1092GLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagWed May 04 1994 12:301
    yeah you don't like trips to Merseyside do you.
35.1093GLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagWed May 04 1994 12:322
    Oh, I forgot, is there any truth in the rumor spread by Paddy Pheney on
    the world service that Everton are after the Tranmere coach driver ?
35.1094AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!SIOG::DAWSONWed May 04 1994 17:4725
35.1095BLUES BLUES BLUESGLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagThu May 05 1994 06:176
    G'day Liam,
    		I wish I was with you mate. I'll be on the phone to my
    brother-in-law all Sat. night and glued to the world service.
    
    Good Luck,
    Ica
35.1096Will a draw save Everton?ESSB::MCUNNIFFEI am the best footballer in DEC by a long wayThu May 05 1994 16:255
   Is a draw against the Wombles good enough for Everton on Saturday??


     C U N N O
35.1097A draw.....?KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Thu May 05 1994 16:428
35.1098KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Thu May 05 1994 16:444
35.1099Congrats on staying up...YOUWOT::HOUSENWorld famous brick hypnotistMon May 09 1994 17:2414
Well I said when Arsenal sold Limpar that he would have a `hand' in keeping
them up... but I didn't think he'd give a penalty away! he never was too good
in his own box. I suppose that with his dive, he was expecting to get flyhacked
by Fear, but forgot how cultured Wimbledon have become over the last few weeks ;-)

However it was achieved, it was still a mighty task to come back from 0-2 
against a stong, on form side... and a great goal by Horne. Everton, Sheff Utd 
and Oldham at least tried to win their games. Ipswich seemed happy to play 
for a 0-0, and pray; IMO, they were very lucky to escape, and are by far the
poorest of the sides mentioned. My bet is they'll go down next season and don't
bet against Sheffield United to come back up.

Norman 
 
35.1100savedWARTOG::NEARYThu May 12 1994 16:2310
    Hi fellow everton lovers,
    Well we did the triple on saturday, three goals in one game fancy
    saving them all for the last match.  I think there is something 
    missing now Watty has gone I miss his good sense of homour but I
    will have to live without it, if anyone sees Watty tell him I may
    see him next season at a match or two.
    					Well its time to start looking
    forward to the world cup.
    
    	mick.
35.1101Epitaph From a Toffee ...SIOG::DAWSONWed May 25 1994 13:2320
    
    
    I finish with Digital today ,sorry i didnt get to post a match report
    on the Wimbledon match ,suffice to say we went thru the whole range
    of emotions but were elated in the end ..
    
    
    I,ll miss these notes even if I havent been in the that often recently
    
    Good luck to everyone  and Watch out for the Toffee,s next year !!!
    
    
    
              Cheers
    
    
                                 Liam
    
    
    
35.1102Bon Voyage...XSTACY::PHAYDENWed May 25 1994 13:424
Good luck Liam. 
Enjoy the World Cup and Everton's relegation battle next season :-)

Peter(An Impartial Celt)
35.1103Good luck, and may every road rise with youYUPPY::PANESThat Eric , he's mad , he isWed May 25 1994 13:491
Stuart
35.1104Slainte.....KBOMFG::TANNERMidnight is where the day begins..Wed May 25 1994 16:234
 
 Liam all the best for the future.... I'll be doing the same in a months time...

                                                                      -dave-
35.1105byeeeCOMICS::HAWLEYIIt looks like a haggis with a head!Wed May 25 1994 16:469
    
    All the best Liam....
    
    First Watty, now you...the Everton topic will be an empty place.
    
    Have fun,
    
    Ian.
    
35.1106Don't tell anyone else but:SHIPS::DURANT_SWed Jun 08 1994 20:068
    
    Seeing as rumours seem to be in at the moment, it would appear that 
    Sutton is seriously considering moving to Everton rather than 
    Manchester United. It would appear that Ferguson was looking to buy 
    Sutton for 4 million pounds but would not guarantee him a first team
    place.
    
    Steve.
35.1107that should stir it up a bitNEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyThu Jun 09 1994 13:291
    Sutton deserves to go somewhere better than Everton !
35.1108DahlinBCFI::LIDENThu Jun 23 1994 17:506
35.1109Hands off Chris ArmstrongYUPPY::PATEMANSome Fantastic PlaceThu Jun 23 1994 18:154
    Dahlin was reported as "good as signed" last week but then BM came back
    with an improved offer.
    
    Paul
35.1110The price must have gone upBCFI::LIDENSun Jun 26 1994 18:0611
      After Saturday morning the price of Dahlin must have gone up a bit, but 
      Littlewood's (Moore?) can afford it.
      
      Being a Liverpool fan, I would prefer that the Reds bought him instead 
      but they have hardly made a good trade since Kenny left.
      
      Anyway I am not too sure that Dahlin fits in the English way of playing.
      
      Sampdoria or Real M might better.
      
      Christer
35.1111Three's a crowd?GLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagThu Jul 07 1994 16:1311
    Read about the Klinsmann offer today - with him and Limpar, we would
    have then only needed Greg Lougainis and we could have changed our
    name to the Divas!
    
    Where are the midfielder, striker and decent defender we need? Can Nev
    manage another season?  Can my heart stand another relegation battle?
    Who will win the Melbourne Cup?
    
    It only remains to say"
    
    BRING BACK BRACEWELL!
35.1112MC MC MC MC MC!!!!COMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Thu Jul 21 1994 19:3610
    
    Me and a colleague here are remeniscing about old cup finals (work?
    whats work?! :) and we've got onto the subject of 1989.
    
    WHo was the guy who scored the 2 Everton goals?
    
    Its on the tip of my tongue and its really anoying me.
    I know its Mc something!
    
    Ian.
35.1113eurekaCOMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Thu Jul 21 1994 19:377
    
    McCall! Stuart McCall! Got it!
    
    Sorry about that...
    
    Ian. 
    "perhaps i'll get saome work done now!"
35.1114e-v-e-r-t-o-nGLADYS::CRAVENWhen you buy a Big Mac you get a bagTue Aug 02 1994 12:204
    And what a screamer that second one was. Allow me a little bit of
    bragging, I was there in the blue end and what joy, what ecstasy when
    those 2 equalisers went in. What a let-down when Rush scored their
    third,  Ica.
35.1115just across Stanley Park in factFORTY2::JONESNeil - segi; touch typistTue Aug 02 1994 14:1810
    
    re: Vinnie's move to Everton
    
    BBC Teletext quoted Samways as saying "With Mike Walker in charge I get
    the feeling that success is just around the corner"
    
    Obviously his taxi from the airport to Goodison must have driven past 
    Liverpool's ground. 
    
    Neil
35.1116Info RequiredESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Fri Aug 12 1994 18:064
35.1117Fixtures please anyone ??SIOG::ROBBTue Aug 16 1994 20:2632
    
    
    Could someone please post the Everton fixtures here 
    
                   Thanks
    
    
                    Dave (a true blue)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    p.s. Brian normally you would have no problem getting into Goodison 
         but it being the first game of the season you might have a
         problem.If you go upstairs in the pub opposite the ticket office
         (cant remember the name right now) ask for Jim King of the
    supporters club ,Tell him Liam from dublin sent you he should get
         you a ticket or two .I just remebered its the Winslow pub..
    
    
                          Cheers
    
    
                                    Liam (oopps  I mean Dave)
35.1118Anyone ListeningESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Aug 16 1994 21:485
35.1119FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingWed Aug 17 1994 13:516
35.1120.SIOG::MDELIVERYMANUAL DELIVERYThu Aug 25 1994 17:122
    .
    
35.1121Period ?UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnThu Aug 25 1994 17:142
    Hhhhmmm. I see your point.
    
35.1122SEDEUC::WATTERSONNo, I'm his distant cousinMon Sep 05 1994 21:534
    
    No Everton supporters left in notesland then ?
    
    George
35.1123i didnt take your jobCOMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Wed Sep 07 1994 18:347
    
    Things have changed while youve been away Paul. 
    Thankfully though Everton havent.
    
    Wanna give us your review of the season so far?
    
    Ian.
35.1124SEDEUC::WATTERSONNo, I'm his distant cousinWed Sep 07 1994 18:5210
    
    Pardon ?
    
    
    You must be mistaking me for Paul Watterson - I believe he was made
    redundant a while back.
    
    I'm from the good-looking, witty and inteligent side of the family.....
    
    I'll give my opinions on Everton's season when I get the chance.
35.1125no everton fans hereCOMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Wed Sep 07 1994 18:5810
    
    > I'm from the good-looking, witty and inteligent side of the family.....
     
    eh?
    Remember, ive MET your family!
    
    Mind you, your uncle DOES support Liverpool does he not? 
    Clear evidence of intelligence there!
    
    Ian.
35.1126SEDEUC::WATTERSONNo, I'm his distant cousinWed Sep 07 1994 19:554
    
    Oh alright, it is me again !
    
    Paul
35.1127Still got the BluesSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Sep 07 1994 20:112
    
    Welcome back Paulie.
35.1128?YUPPY::PANESSurly to bed, surly to riseWed Sep 07 1994 20:165
Watty,

Still supporting the blues even though they have signed Akathingi?

Stuart
35.1129SEDEUC::WATTERSONNo, I'm his distant cousinWed Sep 07 1994 20:179
    
    Stefan,
    
    how are you ?
    
    I've got a stack of old footy echoes and programmes - are you still
    collecting them ?
    
    Paul
35.1130NEWSFLASH!!TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Wed Sep 07 1994 20:2512
    	
    	Danger! Everton supporter contractor alert!
    
    	Reports are coming in that a previous employee and long-term
    	NOTES contributor was seen impersonating a non-existant cousin
    	when in fact he had infiltrated the football conference to spread
    	yet more Everton BS.
    
    	Citizens are urged to proceed with caution and report all sightings
    	to authority immediately.
    
    	Crimewatch UK.
35.1131SEDEUC::WATTERSONNo, I'm his distant cousinWed Sep 07 1994 20:379
>>>    	Danger! Everton supporter contractor alert
    
    
    Shhhh - all the people I owe money to will want it back...
    
    Paul
    
    PS - anyone got directions to the Porsche garage ?
    
35.1132How's Limpar playing now that he's joined a decent club?STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Sep 07 1994 21:048
    
    Hi Watty.
    
    Yes and Yes.
    
    Yours in minimalism,
    
    	Stefan
35.1133Were Back (our cousins that is !!!!)SIOG::DAWSONMon Sep 12 1994 17:2020
    
    
    Hello Paul
    
    Long time no hear !!
    
    Disasterous start to season  me thinks 
    
    
          But dont worry I,ll be over shortly to sort things out and I,LL
          bring Liam over ...
    
    
    
    
                         Cheers 
    
    
      Liam,s long lost cousin (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    
35.1134VESSA::WATTERSONFri Sep 16 1994 17:3710
    
    Brazilian 'superstar' Muller won't be coming to Goodison - he
    apparently didn't understand British tax laws and thought the money on
    offer was net not gross.
    
    No great loss - Everton really need someone in defence and midfield
    (assuming Danny Ammo does the business up front). Hopefully they'll get
    a win tomorrow against QPR.
    
    Paul - in the new Park End stand.              
35.1135IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobFri Sep 16 1994 19:164
    It saya in the papers that he actually wanted Everton to pay his annual
    tax bill of approx. 100,000 quid....greedy so-and-so....
    
    Ray....
35.1136arrgghhh !!VESSA::WATTERSONMon Sep 19 1994 16:3730
    
    Everton 	2-2	QPR		Att 27,000ish
    Amokatchi,		Ferdinand 2
    Rideout
    
    
    Another bl**dy two points dropped - Everton started badly and gifted
    Ferdinand a goal when the defence and Southall left him free to head
    the ball in. (It was a well taken goal, but some bad defence and
    goalkeeping).
    
    Anyway, Everton finally got going and Amokatchi scored a cracker from the
    edge of the six yard box. Rideout's header put Everton 2-1 up and they
    could and should have been three to four up by half-time. As usual
    Everton conceeded another stupid goal, Unsworth was sleeping and let
    Ferdinand brush past him, and the confidence visably drained from the
    whole team and they ended up hanging on for a point when three looked
    guaranteed at half-time.
    
    Amokatchi's a cracking player - fast, hard and skilful - he'll cause a
    lot of problems for defences this season, but whether the rest of the
    team can do much to help him is another question. Limpar was a
    disgrace, his ability to hide for 75 minutes minutes was brilliant...
    
    The defence was poor again and Samway's seems to be the only player in
    midfield that doesn't run round like a headless chicken.
    
    Very frustrating.
        
    Paul
35.1137YUPPY::PANESI've got Stu under my skinTue Sep 20 1994 13:0112
35.1138VESSA::WATTERSONWed Sep 21 1994 12:5518
    
    Everton	2-3	Portsmouth 	Att 14,000 Coca-cola cup 2nd rnd 1st leg
    Samways,		Creaney 2 
    Stuart (pen)	(Some bloke with a foreign sounding name )
    
    Oh ***t - another BAD result - Everton were 3-0 down at one point, but
    thankfully got a couple of goals back - should make the second leg
    'interesting'.
    
    What the **** is going on - last season the attack was the problem -
    this season they're scoring a few goals, but the defence is leaking
    like a sieve.
    
    Early relegation battle at home to Leicester on Saturday, defeat in
    that game and the panic will really set in.
    
    Paul
                                                                
35.1139Centre Half for saleCHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Sep 21 1994 14:012
    Maybe you need to resign Martin Keown....
    
35.1140'owdoWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticWed Sep 21 1994 14:2112
    Re :-2
    
    Watty,
    
    Long time no speak.. missing you at Football on Monday nights!! NOT!
    
    I see your Toffee team is melting a little around the edges. Mike
    Walker must be wishing he never left his beloved Norwich...
    
    Regards
    
    Mac (still here)
35.1141I believe Luther Blisset is looking for a job.XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Sep 21 1994 15:405
>>>Maybe you need to resign Martin Keown....

Maybe you need to "resign" Mike Walker....

Peter.
35.1142VESSA::WATTERSONWed Sep 21 1994 16:2913
    
    Hiya Mac,
    
    still clinging on to your job then ?
    
    Keown would be a great buy, whether Arsenal could let their centre half
    quota drop into single figure is another thing.
    
    Re .1141
    
    YAWN !!
    
    Paul
35.1143Evenin' All....COMICS::LINDLEYFri Sep 23 1994 19:2410
    Heard on the radio this lunchtime that Everton are going to change
    the tune which plays the team out, back to Z cars. Appartenty, it go
    changed for the first time in 30 years, to 2001, a Space Oddity. 
    
    Fans apparently were a bit worried in case 2001 was the next time
    they'd win a league match..... They were also saying Z-cars, that's
    what Everton football Club is all about....
    
    Anyone, care to explain.... ( Mr. Watterson, if he hasn't bunked off
    early today ??? )
35.1144UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnFri Sep 23 1994 19:387
    
    Z-cars = a method of transport to slumberland, perhaps.
    
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,
    
    Paul.
    
35.1145VESSA::WATTERSONFri Sep 23 1994 20:0516
    
    re .1143
    
    Hiya Brian,
    
    there was something going on last saturday before the game against QPR,
    but I must confess I was a bit 'under the weather' to take much notice.
    The Z-Cars theme has been ditched and replaced by some 1960's
    song, but I'm b*ggered if I can remember what it was....it'll come back
    to me soon.
    
    The song they always play at the end of games is D-Ream's 'Things can
    only get better' - I wonder why.. 
    
    Paul
    
35.1146COMICS::LINDLEYFri Sep 23 1994 20:2812
    Hello Paul,
    
    What's it like to be back at Digital, and have you found anywhere to
    live, or are you still lodging at P.C.'S...??
    
    The bit about Z-cars was on Radio One this lunchtime. It's not a joke.
    
    Things can only get better, eh ? At least your team didn't lose at home
    to a stuggling third division team. Can't wait for the away leg. NOT
    :-(
    
    See a footy on Wednesday night then.... And yes I still am crap..!!!
35.1147VESSA::WATTERSONFri Sep 23 1994 21:0213
    Hiya Brian,

    it's err different being back at digital - better than Yorkshire Water
    and Bradford !! I've found a flat to stay in during the week, so I'll
    give plenty of notice when I have the first party.

    The new Everton theme song is the all time classic 'Bad moon rising' -
    a few words have been changed round, but it's still pretty bad.

    I'm off to Portsmouth for the away leg Coca cola thingy, if you fancy
    seeing some proper football.. if not I'll see you at five-a-side.
    
    Paul
35.1148return of the lethal navigator?!?COMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Fri Sep 23 1994 21:276
    
    Paul,
    
    When's the Portsmouth tie? I fancy a laugh...
    
    Ian.
35.1149VESSA::WATTERSONMon Sep 26 1994 15:5127
    
    Ian,
    
    Portsmouth's either a week on Tuesday or Wednesday - give us a bell and
    we'll sort something out.
    
    On to Saturday's latest offering....
    
    
    Everton	1-1	Leicester	Att 28,003
    Ablett 53		Draper 81
    
    Ridout was injured so Angell started his first game of the season -
    unfortunately. He had a stinker, missing three or four good heading
    chances in the first half, then going into hiding for the second half
    with the other eleven 'players'.
    
    Everton were fairly dismal until they took the lead, then absolute
    mediocracy set in - it was pitiful to watch. Nev made a few good saves
    and Leicester had a couple of goals disallowed for off-side before they
    finally managed to walk through the defence and score. 
    
    The lack of confidence is frightening and Walker will have to inject
    some more life into them from somewhere. AT least on the plus side, the
    Z-cars theme was restored......
    
    Paul
35.1150TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Mon Sep 26 1994 17:0713
    
    	Since I live in Fareham, if it's on Wednesday I'll join you (not 
    	in the biblical sense, but you know what I mean....8-})
    
    	Reckon you two scouse supporters can cope with having a red amongst
    	you?
    
    	I'd recognise Ian anywhere - that young face and all those spots...
    
    	;-)
    
    	Andy.
                                   
35.1151richard GereWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticMon Sep 26 1994 19:1610
    
    re -1 
    
 <<  I'd recognise Ian anywhere - that young face and all those spots...
    
    
    yes and Paul's the ugly one  %-)
    
    mac
    
35.1152humphCOMICS::HAWLEYIMr Flibble is very crossMon Sep 26 1994 19:506
    
    > I'd recognise Ian anywhere - that young face and all those spots...
         
    Oh how the elderly covet my youthful appearance.
    
    Ian.
35.1153KERNEL::WITHALLGBelieve in RevengeMon Oct 03 1994 16:5611
    
    Watty,
    
    
         next stop GM Conf.
    
         Anytime your down my neck of the woods I'd like to repay your
         hospitality.
    
    
    Gazzer
35.1154Buying the huns!BLKPUD::STOCKMANSMon Oct 03 1994 17:428
Ere Watty!

Thought you'd have been in here with the news about them Rangers played you've got a hold of.
Durrant & Fergie is it. You blummin need em I can tell yer!


Si

35.1155VESSA::WATTERSONDon't believe the rumoursMon Oct 03 1994 17:5912
    
    Gary,
    
    mine's a pint of Guiness - drop me a mail, I lurk between Newbury and
    Basingstoke Monday - Friday.
    
    Hiya Si, still got a job then ?
    
    I must admit, my enthusiasm's wavering slightly... have the two jocks
    signed yet, or will they be yet another of Mike Walker's near misses ?
    
    Paul
35.1156FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingMon Oct 03 1994 18:318
>    I must admit, my enthusiasm's wavering slightly... have the two jocks
>    signed yet, or will they be yet another of Mike Walker's near misses ?
    
Guardian says it's nothing to do with Walker - it's all Johnson's idea. As the 
consensus seems to be Walker's liable to get the push soon, this should be his 
excuse to go with some pride . . . it says.

g
35.1157VESSA::WATTERSONDon't believe the rumoursMon Oct 03 1994 18:4620
    
    Yeh, I didn't word that very well - I meant another one of Everton's
    near miss signings. Kendall was always making late bids for players
    who'd all but tied up moves elsewhere.
    
    I'll be very surprised if Walker does get the boot so soon - he
    supposidly has to turn things round by Saturday, which I presume means
    a win at Portsmouth on Wednesday and then Southampton on Saturday, The
    whole playing staff is in such a mess through lack of form (Watson,
    Southall, Unsworth), lack of confidence (Jackson, Samways, Stuart) and
    lack of ability (Angell plus most of the rest), that a can't see a
    change of manager making much difference. 
    
    Walker's been given a lot money to spend, some of which he's wasted, but
    I can't imagine Johnson being stupid enough to get rid of him before
    these players get the chance to settle. I suspect it's just paper talk,
    there's no feeling at Goodison that Walker should go - lots of
    panicking, but nothing aimed at Walker yet.
    
   Paul
35.1158A quick question...CHEFS::STRATFORDSMon Oct 03 1994 18:524
    How's Limpar playing? I always thought that he would not fare well at a
    club when they were struggling but maybe he has been proving me wrong..
    
    
35.1159VESSA::WATTERSONDon't believe the rumoursMon Oct 03 1994 19:096
    
    cr*p - when he's in the mood, he looks good, but his head always drops
    when things are going badly - he was dropped a couple of games ago and
    hasn't got back in yet.
    
    Paul
35.1160YELBUS::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweTue Oct 04 1994 17:2810
    
    
      I hear that Amokachi has been nicknamed Am-a-taxi by the Everton fans
    
    
      He's big, black and can carry 10 passengers!!
    
    Courtesy of the Daily Record.
    
     Danny.
35.1161TRUCKS::SANTcaught up in a lager frenzyTue Oct 04 1994 20:304
    
    	Aye, you're a funny boy, Danny! 
    
    	More please...8-)
35.1162Score in a house of ill- repute, you couldn't...CHEFS::STRATFORDSThu Oct 06 1994 14:2710
    Bit quiet in here today.
    
    Surprised that there haven't been calls for Mr Walker to step down.
    Looking at the highlights last night, Everton were unlucky but, to coin
    a phrase, they may have difficulty in scoring in a brothel ;-)
    
    By the way, now that the bar brawling Jocko has joined you, does this
    mean that a few long punts up the field in the general direction of the
    front players will be seen at Goodison? Maybe Charles Hughes was right
    about the way to play football....
35.1163VESSA::WATTERSONWorld cup winners 1966Thu Oct 06 1994 14:319
    
    I'm sulking - I didn't go, see it on telly or read any reports. I hear
    Everton were unlucky, but it was still disappointing to not even win
    last night.
    
    I hope Walker doesn't get sacked - with him there, there's still a hope
    that one win will bring a bit of confidence.
    
    Paul
35.1164good job we didn't go, eh? 8-)TRUCKS::SANTcaught up in a lager frenzyThu Oct 06 1994 15:066
    
    	Some hope Paul.
    
    	Face it man - ya dooooooomed!!
    
    	Andy.
35.1165smile watty smileCOMICS::HAWLEYIMr Flibble is very crossThu Oct 06 1994 15:079
    
    I saw it on telly last night, Everton WERE unlucky, especially Amocachi
    (sp). Portsmouths goal had a slight element of luck about it too...
    Southall just opened his legs at the wrong time (oo-er).
    I dont think Everton fans should be reaching for reaching for the
    shotguns yet, they looked to be regaining some shape last night and put
    some good moves together.
    
    Ian.
35.1166It's all down to the design on the away kitCHEFS::STRATFORDSThu Oct 06 1994 15:248
    It's all very well looking good but if there's no substance then
    basically you've had it.
    
    Anyway, any team that has a design on their away tops to the tiling on
    our kitchen floor deserves problems! Look at Arsenal (somebody has to).
    Since they had the yellow top that looked like a Pigeon had trampled
    over it with its' feet covered in blue paint, they haven't mounted a
    serious challenge for the league
35.1167up pompey?AIMTEC::WICKS_ABrazil v Italy - I was there!Thu Oct 06 1994 19:221
    what happened did everton lose to some bunch of sailors or what?
35.1168VESSA::WATTERSONWorld cup winners 1966Thu Oct 06 1994 19:475
    
    Drew 1-1 - Portsmouth equalsied with 2 minutes to go - would it have
    gone to extra time, or do away goals count at the end of 90 minutes ?
    
    Paul
35.1169GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Thu Oct 06 1994 19:471
    Yes.
35.1170YUPPY::ANDERSONRTop in Fantasy, Bottom in RealityFri Oct 07 1994 12:036
    
    ....to the former not he latter
    
    Yours helpfully, but somewhat academically (for The Toffees),
    
    Rob
35.1171VESSA::WATTERSONWorld cup winners 1966Mon Oct 10 1994 17:2614
    Yet another disappointing defeat on Saturday (2-0 away to Southampton)
    - this is now Everton's worst start to a season EVER...

    The pressure has been lifted off Walker for a while by a poll on radio
    City showing that 65% of people want him to be given to the end of the
    season to turn things round, 35% until Christmas and only 5% want him
    to go now. Hopefully the press will lay off him for a while.

    Ferguson's foot injury kept him out, while Durrant came on a half-time,
    but didn't do much - Coventry at home next Saturday, a game Everton
    HAVE to win.

    Paul
35.1172GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Mon Oct 10 1994 17:398
    
    Paul,
    
    	I think its only right that I should let you know that Cunno is an
    avid listener to Radio City and always participates in their polls,
    often voting numerous times!!!
    
    JBG
35.1174VESSA::WATTERSONWorld cup winners 1966Mon Oct 10 1994 18:347
    
    
    Cunno ?
    
    Wasn't he that Welsh Man United supporter ?
    
    Paul
35.1175...shame, really....TRUCKS::SANTFeed me, Seymour!!Mon Oct 10 1994 19:345
    
    	's right. Doesn't matter how long you've been away, Paul, you
    	just can't forget the guy.
    
    	Andy.
35.1176Calling Paul Watterson ...SIOG::DAWSONFri Oct 14 1994 17:3020
    
    
    Calling Watty Come in Watty .....
    
    
     Paul  please ring me urgently in Dublin 8427522
    
     I,m going to the Coventry match tomorrow 
    
     I,ll either meet you in the new supporters club before the match
     or the Royal Oak after it ..
    
    
    
                                   Cheers
    
    
                           Liam
    
    
35.1177VESSA::WATTERSONWorld cup winners 1966Mon Oct 17 1994 11:4825
    
    Liam,
    
    missed you outside the Royal Oak again - what happened ?
    
    Everton	0-2	Coventry	Att 28,000ish
    			Dublin,
    			Wegerlie
    
    Another one of those days... Coventry scored twice in the first 18
    minutes with their first two attacks. Everton had a lot of the ball and
    ran around a lot, but never really threatened to score. Ferguson and
    Durrant both made their home debuts and both struggled to cope with the
    change to a higher level of football. Ferguson looked promising, but
    not particulary dangerous while Durrant was pretty anonymous in
    midfield.
    
    It's difficult to see where Everton will get a win from, Coventry were
    pretty poor apart from Dublin who scored a cracker and looked dangerous
    everytime he had the ball, but Everton couldn't muster a decent effort
    on goal. The Everton supporters showed they want Walker to stay and I
    really don't see any advantage in getting rid of him, but things are
    looking very desperate. 
    
    Paul
35.1178YUPPY::PANESSurly to bed, surly to riseMon Oct 17 1994 16:176
 Everton have Holmes and Watson , and they still haven't a clue.


Stuart

( Lifted from the Guardian )
35.1179VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Mon Oct 17 1994 16:3313
    
    Oh shutup !! 
    
    (only joking Mr Moderator, please don't set me hidden again)
    
    Charlies Angels would probably do a better job in Everton's defence
    than them two - still everything will be okay after Everton get their
    first win of the season next Saturday. Can't remember who they're
    playing......
    
    Paul
    
    (Lifted from a gutter somewhere)
35.1180I was there but WHERE WERE YOU??SIOG::DAWSONMon Oct 24 1994 12:5637
    
    Paul
    
    I wasin the Royal Oak  for about two hours after the match , and went
    around it a couple of times ..What time were you there ??
    I bumped into your brother-in-law around 12:30 am in Flanagans Apple
    again .No matter where i go I seem to meet him.                                         
                                                  
    He told me to tell you "your a tight barsteward " ?? I,m only passing
    on the message 8-)8-)
    
    As for the match ,well the less said about that the better .I went to
    see if everthing was as bad as reported only to find it,s WORSE ..
    
    Only Undsworth looked good ,Some others looked average but for the 
    most part the players were rubbish against an Avarage Coventry side .
    
    1-0 this weekend against Crystal Palace and i honestly cant see where
    we are going to get our first win ??
    The pressure is on Walker to resign but with the fans its about 50/50
    whether they want him or not.Who will replace him ?? Its down to the
    "fat walleted" players ..
    I read at the weekend that Everton are paying rangers $35,000 a week 
    for Drunken Ferguson !! If it,s true SEND HIM BACK NOW ..He,s not
    worth $3,500 a week  as for Durrant ,well book two single railfares 
    to glasgow .Thanks be to god we only have them on loan.
    
    On a brighter note the reserves are running away with the league
    maybe its time to blood some of these players ? I heard theres 
    a player called Tony Grant who is banging them in for the reserves
    bring him in and see what he can do After all what else is left ???
    
    
    
                                 Liam
    
    
35.1181Boardroom newsWOTVAX::HARDYPMon Oct 31 1994 11:4819
    Chaps,
    
    Mike Walker was called in to another "Emergency Board Meeting"
    
    They told him that they recognised that football was a game and that
    many things influenced results, including luck. As such they had
    decided to give him a "sporting chance" of keeping his job.
    
    A dice was then produced and Walker was asked to throw it along the
    table.
    
    "If you get a one, to a five then you're fired" he was told.
    
    "What if I throw a six, asked Walker?"
    
    
    "Then you get to throw again" came the reply.
    
    Peter
35.1182FORTY2::MDAVIESMon Oct 31 1994 12:582
Hpefully we can put the nail in the coffin with a victory at your place tomorrow
night.
35.1183VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Mon Oct 31 1994 13:576
    
    
    Be serious - West Ham are so bad they got stuffed at Tottenham. I'm
    totally confident that Everton can start winning again tomorrow..
    
    Paul
35.1184WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Oct 31 1994 15:3011
Paul,

Do you ever get to see the Grauniad on Saturdays? They have all these Everton
jokes like

'Everton have as many points as a compass but don't know where they are going'

'Everton were after Holdsworth, Platt and Barnes but Coronation Street would
release them from their contracts'

Ho,ho
35.1185TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Mon Oct 31 1994 17:326
    
    	The last one is the best I've heard so far, Simon ;-)
    
    	Come on Paul - take the bait....
    
    	Andy.
35.1186FORTY2::MDAVIESTue Nov 01 1994 15:3212
re. 1183.....don't call 14th in the table, last 16 of the league cup....bad do
you....incidentally this time last season has 12 points and just avoided the
drop, so should i say "we're meet again don't know where, dont know when, but I
know we're meet again some sunny day", we may get to play you in the cup some
day...enjoy your football in the Endsleigh League....such great games as
Southend Away.....the wonderful ground of Swindon to visit, and the exciting
bustling port of hull...

as for tonight....Cottee's looking for revenge......so you might need a ball boy
to fetch the ball from the net and carry it to the circle....in order to keep
the game flowing......(bye bye scousers...)

35.1187VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Tue Nov 01 1994 16:067
>>re. 1183.....don't call 14th in the table, last 16 of the league cup....bad do
>>you.....
    
    Yeh I do actually - maybe that's the difference between a **** little
    club like West Ham and a giant like Everton.... 
    
    Paul
35.1188CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 01 1994 16:117
    Paul
    
    How did Saturdays performance rate with what has been previously dished
    up at Goodison? If that was an improvement then what went previously
    must have been truly dire 8-)
    
    Stuart
35.1189VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Tue Nov 01 1994 16:2314
    
    Stuart - did you go ?
    
    Everton weren't brilliant, but the main difference was that the heads
    didn't drop when Arsenal scored. In all the other games I've been to this
    season, as soon as Everton have conceeded a goal, you can see the whole
    team just give up. Arsenal are a difficult team to play against, but I
    thought Everton had the better of things for most of the game.
    
    As dire as Everton have been at times this season, it's never going to
    be as bad as watching 'boring boring Arsenal' week in week out.... 
    
    Paul :-)
            
35.1190FORTY2::MDAVIESTue Nov 01 1994 16:244
re.1187 giant....don't make me laugh...giant clubs don't hold the division up...
giant clubs don't have a load of misfits on their books....Everton are a has
been....and are heading to oblivion.....looking forward to rubber stamping it
tonight....
35.1191yep I wentCHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 01 1994 16:2915
    Paul
    
    Yeah I went. It was the first away match I've been to this season.
    How the hell Merson missed some of the chances he did I'll never know.
    That said, I think that if we had a decent goalscorer in our side, we
    would probably have won simply because of ruthlessness in front of
    goal. 
    
    And your right, watching Arsenal these days is not a pleasure. If
    winning is all that counts then Arsenal are getting back into the
    groove, slowly but surely, but there has got to be more to football
    than this. 
    
    Stuart
    
35.1192Mike Walker - The man who captained the Titanic?CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 01 1994 16:3914
    Paul
    
    How long has Walker got? Even if you beat the cor-blimey-guvn'or
    brigade tonight, you'll still be bottom and in the crap. It seems that
    the Everton Board are holding emergency meetings every day (well that's
    what the papers say and hey if they write it then it must be true) and
    it is probably true to say Everton can't afford to go down. That said,
    a lot of teams that go down and come back up in a couple of years after
    rebuilding, are in a better state on and off the pitch so may be it
    would be a blessing in disguise after everyone had gotten over the
    initial trauma of relegation.
    
    Stuart
    
35.1193VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Tue Nov 01 1994 18:0712
    
    Stuart,
    
    Merson had two good chances - the one in the second half was a bit
    special..., but having said that, I can't think of another chance that
    Arsenal created. Everton made a few chances, which is more than
    they've done in most other games - it was just a shame that Amokachi's
    confidence has gone.
    
    You weren't the Arsenal prat in the loud yellow jumper were you ?
    
    Paul - in the Park End  
35.1194Me in yellow - No way am I a fashion victimCHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 01 1994 18:4712
    Paul
    
    Fortunately I was not that man. 
    
    Amokachi is a bit of a blood and thunder type player. He doesn't seem 
    to have a lot of guile in his off the ball running. Looks to be the
    player who will run through the defender rather than round him. That
    said, I agree his confidence is shot to bits and when (if) the team
    pick up he could actually turn out to be one of the better imports made
    in the summer.
    
    Stuart 
35.1195KERNEL::WITHALLGThe HeroTue Nov 01 1994 19:2110
    
    
    Watty,
    
         that was me in the yellow jumper.
    
         wannamakesumminkofit ???
    
    
    Gazzer
35.1196Everton 1-0 West HamVESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Wed Nov 02 1994 12:069
    
    A win, a win, a win....
    
    I know it was only against the c**p minnows from West 'Am - but a win's
    a win.
    
    Ablett scored in the 54th minute.
    
    Paul
35.1197Walkers gonna regret beating West HamCHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Nov 02 1994 12:098
    Paul
    
    Mike Walker must be cr@pping himself. Expect an announcement from the
    boardroom that following a win Walker is sacked. Are West Ham a
    football managers curse?
    
    Stuart
    
35.1198RTOVC0::DCASSIDYWed Nov 02 1994 13:346
    
    Hey Paul...it was more than the 'pool could do against them....
    
    Good win...
    
    Dezzz.
35.1199VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Wed Nov 02 1994 13:4948
    Following report 'stolen' from the Everton mailing list....
    
At last, a win! A scrappy win at that but a win at last...!

Team...

Southall
Jackson,Watson,Ablett,Burrows
Stuart,Parkinson,Horne,Durrant
Ferguson,Amokachi.

Subs Rideout (Amokachi),Limpar (Stuart),Kearton
Att 28,383 i think.. tho it seemed a lot larger..

    Not a classic game to be honest,the result being more important than
    the performance. Rush headed over when unmarked early on,and Cottee
    missed a great chance when clean through,Nev half-saving and Ablett
    clearing up..

    The goal came in the 54th min,a corner was flicked on by Matt Jackson
    and Ablettscored with a header from about 6 yards. Rideout came on to a
    good reception and had a header disallowed for offside within moments
    off coming on.

    There were bookings for Watson and Burrows. Burrows also recieved a
    kick in the head from Rush? which was then followed up by the ball
    hitting him in the face!

    West Ham didn't threaten much until the last few minutes,first Burrows
    cleared off the line ,then in the last min, Chapman hit the bar when
    unmarked,and the richochet hit TC and went out for a goal kick.

    It was a hard-working performance by the team,with nobody outstanding.
    Amokachi had another poor game unfortunately and Ferguson and Rideout
    look a better partnership. Rideout playing very well when he came on
    and had a couple of good efforts.

    Durrant's loan period is up and there's been no news on whether we'll
    sign him or not.

    It'll be interesting to see the team on Sat,Unsworth and Samways  are
    both expected to be fit for sat.

    AS for a Man of the match,hard to choose, probably Ablett for his goal
    and a solid performance.

    Geoff
    
35.1200Another stolen from mailing listVESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Mon Nov 07 1994 14:54136
From:	VBORMC::"everton@wg.estec.esa.nl"  7-NOV-1994 04:35:11.11
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Subj:	[EVERTON:1203] Norwich report


Match Report from Norwich

 The reporters called it a dull game.
 It was only a dull game to lemons who think goals = entertainment.

 Two traditional midfield teams jousted for control for most of the
 match. Both defenses were strong, confident and positively springing
 the offside trap repeatedly.

 The stalemate was perhaps inevitable between the remnants of a MW team
 and the makings of a new one. The only times which could have produced
 goals were Everton's set pieces and Norwich's fast breaks in the last
 20 minutes.

 Two good Everton chances were a corner which Jackson flicked on from a
 lowish cross, but at came to Rideout in the awkward thigh-waist region
 and he could not hit a shot; secondly a dead straight 24 yd Unsworth (for 
 England) free kick which missed the wall and the near post by inches.
 The best was from open play (gasp!).. for once Ferguson was not outjumped
 or impeded by a defender, for once his header went somewhere useful..
 down the left wing to Unsworth. For once a good and quick cross was swept
 in and for once three blue shirts were running to meet it.. what a pity
 it fell to a yellow.

 The first half was very even, and 'made dull' by frequent offsides, but
 the officials kept things exciting with some dangerous mistakes and
 unfathomable inconsistencies (benfitting both teams). Everton had so
 much the run of midfield in the second half that it was hard to believe
 they would not eventually score, but a clever substitution brought on
 a speedy kid who was an embarrassing sucker for offsides, but managed to
 give Norwich their first shot at goal of the half after 70 minutes, and
 insprired them to half a dozen ominous looking attacks in the fianl ten
 minutes.

 But this time there was no disaster, no self-destruct, no miracles by
 journeyman opponents.. Everton held out to make it 3 unbeaten &
 successive clean sheets, but knew that they could only be counted as the
 unluckier of the two not to win, despite being away and 13 points lower.


Southall  7  Only took a few soft saves and a high cross.
Jackson   7  }
Burrows   7  } Worked well and with CONFIDENCE instead of panic in the
Ablett    7  } face of attacks.
Watson    7  }
Horne     8  At his best. If I try to compare him to Reid instead 
	     of McCall, he comes out in a better light!
Parkinson 6  Ordinary today. Too much hustle and not enough brain.. he
	      completely missed ~3 tackles.
Unsworth  8  As superb in left midfield as at the back! Unlike LAST year
	      at Blackburn when he stunk there. Getting the feeling he's
	 	brilliant EVERYWHERE now!
Stuart    6  A day when it did not happen for Graeme, and once again the
		team performance roughly reflected his.
Ferguson  5  With one sparkling gem of an exception, he was CRAP!
Rideout   6  Never seemed to get near the ball & box at the same time.
Limpar    -  Another brief, pointless appearance.


 Unimportant chat about the day.

 It's official - I have no life - I went to NORWICH!
 It's a bloody long way to Norwich, and that's even having a 70 mile
 advantage of living in Bradford.
 After ~75 miles of M62 and A1, there is still 100 miles of A roads to go!

 The roads are good, fast, straight, and often dual. Care is needed at
 roundabouts not to end up going off to Lincoln, Peterborough, or a dozen
 other places you've never heard of, and if you don't like endless vistas
 of flat fields it's eerily boring, but on the plus side there are LOTS
 of service opportunities with diners and petrol stations, which is lots
 more than you expect.

 To get to the ground, ignore the EFC program directions and take the
 advice of the advisory signs on the road.. if you take the bypass all the
 way round to East Norwich/Lowestoft, it's only half a mile of ring road
 to a large cheap car park which after the match took only TEN MINUTES
 to get out of back onto the road home!

 Carrow road is not a big place, but it's very clean, neat and colourful.
 I call it 'bijou'. If it were not so far away, I'd put it down as one of
 the most enjoyable places to visit in the league.
 The clincher was a large, cheap, well stocked & staffed canteen (I had to 
 say 'no thanks i'm being served'!!) complete with closed circut TVs +
 commentary. Even the police were genial.

 The Everton contingent were a credit again, the area looked 95% full,
 totalling 4000-5000. Of course it was the ususal eerie combination of
 blues with odd accents and hard-core train/coach scousers. This meant
 that out-of-places songs could surface, and the one that did was one
 I have not heard for ages..
	The football league is upside down,
	The football league is upside down,
	We should be top, but we're bottom,
	The football league is upside down.
 I've only ever heard that before at Bradford when they last went down
 just after failing in the playoffs, while their hated rivals Leeds were
 going up. Tune - when the saints go marching in.

 Most of the players gave the blue fans a good long ovation at the end.
 Maybe it was admiration for the long journey. Maybe it was pleasure at
 the first away point, or the clean sheet (neville gave us the longest
 ovation i think i've ever seen him give!). Maybe it was seeing how crap
 this team comfortably in the top half were. Whatever. Morale is very
 good everwhere except in our strikers. Still very much poised to leap
 both off the bottom and out of trouble. Bring on the redshite!


Dave

D.W.Shepherd@uk.ac.bradford



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35.1201TRUE or FALSE?PEKING::SHALLOMANORA MOLLAHS!Tue Nov 08 1994 14:2910
    
    
    Latest..
    
    Just heard on the Radio  Mike Walker has been SACKED!!!!
    
    
    
    Aron...
    
35.1202VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Tue Nov 08 1994 14:526
    
    It's true - I'm totally gutted, just as things seemed to be turning
    round, the Everton board step in a guarantee that Everton will be
    relegated !!
    
    Paul
35.1203HK back - Division 1 Here you ComeCHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 08 1994 15:238
    Just to start the speculation off:
    
    It must be pure coincidence that Howard Kendall has left his Greek club
    just last week and Mike Walker gets sacked today. Expect an
    announcement of "The Return of the Messiah" to Goodison later this
    week!
    
    Stuart
35.1204Waker for spurs???XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Tue Nov 08 1994 15:460
35.1205down down deeper and down...FORTY2::JONESNeilTue Nov 08 1994 15:499
    
    What Everton do not need is Howard Kendall. They should remember from
    his 2nd time-in-office that he will never produce a team as good as his
    1st time in office. 
    
    I think its short-sighted to sack Walker, I think he is/was a good
    manager. 
    
    Neil
35.1206swap shop?FORTY2::JONESNeilTue Nov 08 1994 15:514
    
    re: .1204
    
    Ossie for everton?
35.1207CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 08 1994 15:527
    >What Everton do not need is Howard Kendall
    
    
    No what Everton need is a board who do not s*%$ themselves at the
    prospect of a season where Premiership survival is the only aim
    
    Stuart
35.1208Windsreen wiper for a Lada ...GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue Nov 08 1994 16:069
    Re: .1206
    
>    Ossie for everton?
    
    
    Nah, Ossie's worth a lot more (boom, boom !).
    
    
    Jerry.
35.1209VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Tue Nov 08 1994 16:0815
    re .1207
    
    I think you hit the nail on the head Stuart.
    
    Whilst I was pleased that Everton sorted out the boardroom wrangles
    last season, I was dubious about the number of outside interests -
    Johnson the chairman is a lifelong Liverpool supporter and the Bill
    Kenwright consortium is made of largely of Manchester businessmen -
    none of them give a s**t about Everton football club as a football
    club, just as a 'money making' or 'publicity seeking' venture. The fact
    that Everton have been getting good crowds probably delayed Walker's
    sacking by a few weeks, but in the end, the board s**t out and took the
    supposidly easy option.
    
    Paul
35.1210So much for a longer contractJONPC1::ButtonJon Button @REOTue Nov 08 1994 16:426
It's ironic that Mike Walker walked out on Norwich because he wanted more 
security than they were prepared to offer him (a rolling one-year 
contract).  Now he has been sacked by Everton after less than a year...  
Maybe he should have stayed where he was?

Jon
35.1211Walker for QPR?CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 08 1994 16:4910
    Jon
    
    It may be ironic but at least MW can claim compensation for the full
    length of his contract which is considerably more than he would have
    got from Norwich.
    
    I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to QPR if Gerry Francis leaves after
    his meeting with their nerds, sorry Board 8-)
    
    Stuart
35.1212Walker,s Gone Who,s Next ???SIOG::DAWSONTue Nov 08 1994 19:3520
    
    
    I,m not surprised about Walker getting the sack ,What does suprise
    me is the timing ? Walker puts together a run of three unbeaten 
    games (longest i can remember in recent history ) and then gets
    the sack (the West Ham curse).Strange indeed !!
    I,m sure the board have someone in mind but who ?? I believe the
    betting on merseyside is Gerry Francis 3/1 ,HK 7/2 .Thats all
    i,ve heard soo far .
    
    I was excited when Mike Walker came to Goodison ,being the best 
    Available (?) manager at the time but Manager live and in this 
    case die by their record and his was extrememly bad at Everton .
    
    I,m still in a bit of daze and will have to digest what has happened 
    
    
    
                              Liam
    
35.1213CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 08 1994 20:0611
    There is of course one more downside to the sacking of Walker. Assuming
    that Gerry Francis is a man of honour and resigns for good at QPR,
    there must be another target for the press to aim at as far as managers
    go. 
    
    Hmmm, Fergies been at Man U for a while and they are getting dumped on
    in their champions league group and as for Arsenal, well, attrocious
    (sp) league form spells CRISIS at both clubs. Now where did I put the
    phone number of the Suns sport department....
    
    Stuart
35.1214The official statementVESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Tue Nov 08 1994 20:2910
    "It is with sincere regret that I have to announce that Everton
    Football Club have relieved manager Mike Walker of his duties. The
    decision has been  taken after careful consideration and having regard
    to the club's playing record over the past 35 games. It was decided
    that it would be irresponsible for the directors to let the present
    situation continue and they believe a change will be beneficial for the
    club. Having spent 40 years in the top division, I believe all
    supporters will agree it is imperative that the club maintains it's
    position. A further announcement will be made in the near future."

35.1215Peter Johnson's "one up - one down"YUPPY::PANESMummy, whats a wolfbag??Wed Nov 09 1994 11:588
  Perhaps Everton should try and grab Alan Buckley from West Brom. He proved
  at Grimsby that he could get reasonable success , at a little club with
  hardly any resources. 

  What say you, Watty?


  Stuart
35.1216VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Wed Nov 09 1994 12:136
    I believe that Bruce Grobelaar has emerged as the favorite - Johnson
    plans to use his 'far eastern connections' (allegedly) to help Everton
    to win a few games....
    
    Paul
35.1217Latest newsCHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Nov 09 1994 14:255
    There were strong rumours that Bill and Ben the Flowerpotmen are to
    become the latest managerial double act as they are the only ones who
    can understand the weird manner in which the Everton Board are acting 
    at this moment in time. 
       
35.1218Royle Ascent?SAC::MAGUIRE_GWed Nov 09 1994 14:4111
    
    Any rumours about the Royle ascent of "Big Joe" or is that just a
    rumour I just started. He could well be on the short list though.
    
    It seems a little funny that Kendall just "packed-in" his job in
    Greece.
    
    Watch this space!
    
    G.
    
35.1219sFORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingWed Nov 09 1994 14:523
and The Guardian repors that Liverpool bookies have BFR as the favourite. 

g
35.1221VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Wed Nov 09 1994 15:3926
Bookies Odds on Manager..

Joe Royle 13/8
Howard Kendall 4/1
Peter Reid 9/2
Bruce Rioch 13/2
Gerry Francis 13/2
Ron Atkinson 9/1
Steve Coppell 12/1
John King 18/1
David Pleat 22/1
Alan Ball 25/1
Bobby Robson 25/1
Ray Wilkins 25/1
Franz Beckenbauer 28/1
Brian Kidd 28/1
Terry Yorath 28/1
Graeme Souness 33/1 (Are they serious?)
Trevor Francis 40/1
Andy Gray 40/1
Jimmy Gabriel 40/1
Ossie Ardiles 40/1
Gordon Strachan 50/1
Ray Clemence 50/1


35.1222VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Wed Nov 09 1994 15:395
    
    On and I haven't got all day to type this stuff in, I get it from the
    Everton mailing list on the internet.
    
    Paul
35.1223CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Nov 09 1994 15:465
    The 28/1 for Beckenbauer a bit tight on the odds isn't it? I would said
    more accurate odds would be 1000/1 unless the Everton Board are out of
    the country on business...
    
    
35.1225KERNEL::WITHALLGThe HeroWed Nov 09 1994 15:5812
    
    
    Re Grobeollar (sp)
    
    He is under FA investigation. The word is he has been taking
    backhanders to throw games !!.
    
    
    I gather that Alan Sugar has now put in a firm bid for his services.
    
    
    Gazzer
35.1226FORTY2::MDAVIESWed Nov 09 1994 16:037
just heard that William hill now have the Pope as favourite, at least he can get
the spirit back into the side.

second in the running with Hill's is William the conquerer, he'll soon kick
their arses in to shape....

Mark still recovering from Everton V West Ham
35.1227Manager AnnouncedCHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Nov 09 1994 16:165
    I've just received a phone call from Goodison and it seems that an
    application has been received from Mother Theresa of Calcutta.
    apparently her managerial experience includes rescuing lost causes and
    the Board feel that she is just the gal for the job.
    
35.1229TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Wed Nov 09 1994 16:386
    
    	Didn't see your name on that list, Watty....
    
    	Stalking horse, perchance? 8-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1230YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHwanna make tea at the BBC?Wed Nov 09 1994 17:029
    
    Heard a rumour that former top children's TV presenter Brian Cant had
    sent in his CV for the job.
    
    He only wants it on a part time basis for games not at Goodison so
    that he can shout "PLAY AWAY!"
    
    Andy
    
35.1231VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Wed Nov 09 1994 17:0715
    
    Re .1229
    
    Andy,
    
    Everton can't afford my rates...... :-)
    
    As for the rest of you....
    
    
    **** *** !!
    
    Thanks for your interest
    
    Paul
35.1232opportunity missedCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Wed Nov 09 1994 17:187
    
    I'm suprised that Grobbelaar didnt go to Everton instead of
    Southampton. After all, it would have been easy money for him, he
    wouldnt even have had to let goals in...the everton defence would be
    helping him along for free!
    
    Ian.
35.1233YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHIs Grobbelar Lord Lucan?Wed Nov 09 1994 17:269
    
    Speaking of Grobbelar, I bloody well hope someone now starts to 
    investigate Dave Beasant. Some of those dribbly little efforts he
    let in at Chelsea must have been financially induced.
    
    We should be told.
    
    Andy
    
35.1234UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Nov 09 1994 17:487
    >Heard a rumour that former top children's TV presenter Brian Cant had
    >sent in his CV for the job.
    
    Surely, with a name like that he'd be better playing for a southern
    club! How about Spurs.
    
    Paul.
35.1235UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Nov 09 1994 17:513
    re -1
    
    Sorry! Meant managing.
35.1236GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Wed Nov 09 1994 17:534
    
    He ought to be in the same side as David May! 8-)
    
    JBG
35.1237VESSA::WATTERSONI never make mitsakes !Thu Nov 10 1994 16:385
    
    According to rumours, Joe Royle is going to be named as the new Everton
    manager tonight or tomorrow/
    
    Paul
35.1238IAINF::SYS_167500Fri Nov 11 1994 01:244
    
    Joe Royal has been confirmed.
    
    Del.
35.1239What to expect from "Big Joe"SAC::MAGUIRE_GFri Nov 11 1994 13:1122
    
    So Everton have got their man. What can they expect. Joe's teams have
    tightened up at the back a lot in recent years and are not as attacking
    as they used to be though when the teams go behind he is not afraid to
    change his formation during the course of a game. He doesn't suffer
    "prima donnas" gladly and will quickly put them on the bench or into
    the reserves to bring them down a peg or two. If Everton do climb the
    table quickly then you can look forward to some more expressive
    football, which should have them packing the terraces at all grounds.
    
    Joe is known to be very shrewd in his purchase of players, so it will
    be interesting to see who he brings to Goodison, if he has any money to
    spend. If he doesn't then he will be raiding the reserve players of the
    big clubs as he a reputation for bringing such players on e.g. Earl
    Barrett, Paul Warhurst. It will be an interesting period at Goodison.
    If Royle is given a free rein he will keep Everton up if not then it
    will a close run thing.
    
    Good Luck.
    
    Gerry.
    
35.1240TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Fri Nov 11 1994 13:3810
    
    	Joe Royle proved himself as a fine coach/manager at a small club.
    	No disrespect is intended to Oldham - they made the most, and more,
    	out of what limited resources they had.
    
    	These type of semi-successful managers don't often make it in the
    	really big time. Managing Everton is a huge job. Good luck to the
    	man - he'll need it!!
    
    	Andy.
35.1241WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringFri Nov 11 1994 15:565
    Isn't Joe Royle the obvious choice? He has extensive knowledge of the
    Endsleigh 1st division :-
    
    I just hope Man United buy Jobson before Everton, and Craig Fleming
    would be a useful addition.
35.1242Jobson and Fleming for EnglandSAC::MAGUIRE_GFri Nov 11 1994 17:237
    
    Both Fleming and Jobson would be excellent additions to any defence in
    the Prmiership. If Jobson had been playing for Arsenal he would have
    had 20+ caps by now.
    
    G.
    
35.1243MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Fri Nov 11 1994 17:375
    Obviously, by signing Joe Royal Everton want to make sure they get
    demoted to the first divison this year! :->
    
    
    Rick.
35.1244Who needs the Royal family anyway? Bunch of wastersSAC::MAGUIRE_GFri Nov 11 1994 17:435
    
    By signing Joe Royal i'm sure they would get relegated but by signing 
    Joe Royle they may be in with a chance.
    
    G.
35.1245Aldo for Everton..ESSB::MCUNNIFFEI'm the new RomarioSun Nov 13 1994 14:5212
I hope Joe Royle is successful with Everton. He has done very well with limited
resources at Oldham. Royle has plenty of experience from the Endsleigh 1st
division and if he's going for a goalscorer (and I'm sure he will be), then
he should have a go for John Aldridge and don't be surprised if he does. Aldo
may be 36 but he's still banging in the goals, the leading scorer in the div.
at the moment.




C U N N O
35.1246FLUNKY DUNKY!KIRKTN::MACDONALDBaywatch GynaecologistTue Nov 22 1994 08:3010
    
    
    I see big Flunky Funky Dunky Ferguson is up Sh*t Creek again.
    
    He got caught by the good old Merseyside Police a wee bit on the
    tipsy side in his car. I suppose now they'll be calling him
    big DRUNKY Flunky Funky Dunky Ferguson now!!!!!
    
    
    Fling the book at 'im!!!!!!!!!
35.1247waiting for a call from wattyCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 10:178
    
    > I see big Flunky Funky Dunky Ferguson is up Sh*t Creek again.
    
    Well, he did ok last night, didnt he?
    
    B*!$#cks!
    
    Ian.
35.1248congrat<choke choke>ulationsCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 11:4869
    
        Courtesy of the Electronic telegraph: (reproduced without
    permission)
    
    Everton shed their inhibitions to cap Royle coronation
    
    By Henry Winter
    
    Everton 2 Liverpool 0
    
    AMID scenes of great tumult at Goodison Park last night, Joe Royle
    began his career as Everton manager in spectacular fashion with
    victory over eternal rivals Liverpool.
    
    Outpassed for much of the first half, Royle's team raised their
    game magnificently after the break to win with goals from Duncan Ferguson
    and Paul Rideout. Victory was vital. Not only did it enable Everton to
    clamber off the bottom of the table but their spirits will have been well
    and truly restored by this Derby success. Thier triumph was so stirring it
    even drove one supporter to strip off and dance naked across the pitch.
    
    Finesse versus fire appeared the order of the day. Liverpool were first
    to show; Steve McManaman curling an initially promising right-footer just
    wide of Everton's goal, tended by Neville Southall, who yesterday surpassed
    Bruce Grobbelaar's record of 34 Merseyside derby appearances.
    Everton's pursuit of the ball was unremitting. Eschewing the wing options  
    offered by Anders Limpar and Graham Stuart, Royle stiffened his
    midfield to good effect.
    
    Ironically, an unfortunate leg injury to Matt Jackson underpinned the
    turnaround. Barry Horne dropped back to right-back, while Daniel Amokachi,
    previously subdued in attack, moved to right midfield and Rideout,
    hitherto on bench duty, came right into the thick of the action.
    
    Amokachi, suddenly restored to his favoured position of attacking from
    deep, engineered the breakthrough. Moments after Southall had denied
    McManaman with a marvellous close-range save, the muscular Nigerian
    powered his way upfield to force a 57th-minute corner.
    Andy Hinchcliffe's inswinging flag-kick caused chaos in David James's
    six-yard box where Ferguson, leaping highest, headed home to the delight
    of the majority of 39,866 present. The Scottish striker could not picked
    a more popular time to record his first goal for Everton.
    
    Suddenly, Everton were a team, playing with belief and an increasing
    amount of skill. Liverpool had their chances, through Neil Ruddock and
    Rob Jones, but the force, and the script, was with Everton.
    
    Rideout, having earlier been denied by the post, finally scored in the
    dying minutes. Hinchcliffe's cross was misjudged by James, whose attempted
    punched clearance rebounded off Ferguson to Rideout. His finish, low and
    sweet, simply doubled the intensity of Goodison's party.
    
    An uplifting experience for Everton and Royle - and not simply because
    they had risen to 20th.
    
    Everton: Southall; Jackson (Rideout 45), Watson, Unsworth, Ablett;
    Horne, Parkinson, Ebbrell, Hinchcliffe; Amokachi (Limpar 79); Ferguson. 
    Sub:Kearton
    
    Booked: Ebbrell, Ferguson, Limpar.
    
    Liverpool: James; Jones, Scales, Ruddock, Babb, Bjornebye (Redknapp 64);
    McManaman, Molby, Barnes; Fowler, Rush. Subs: Clough, Stensgaard (g).
    
    Booked: Bjornebye, Ruddock.
    
    
    Referee: D Gallagher (Banbury).
         
35.1249UTRTSC::WARDTue Nov 22 1994 12:164
    Two ex/current Rangers players on the score sheet.  Where was MoJo,
    is all I can ask ??
    
    Ray
35.1250VESSA::WATTERSONGoing going...Tue Nov 22 1994 12:227
    
    A great result - the performance was pretty poor, but at least Everton
    out battled the red sh*te for the third year in a row. Rideout had a
    storming game and fully deserved his goal. Everton are now off the
    bottom for the first time in about two months.
    
    Paul$hungover
35.1251...and from one so young...8-)TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Tue Nov 22 1994 12:3112
    
    	Thanks for your match report, Ian. Ever thought of taking up
    	journalism? ;-)
    
    	What a wonderful concept - objective praise after a derby defeat!
    
    
    
    	Yes, I know......I *did* read the heading....
                                                                        
    	Andy.
             
35.1252were you that streaker last night then watty?COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 13:099
    
    > A great result - the performance was pretty poor
    
    Unsworth played well i must say; but apart from that it still looks
    pretty dire at Goodison Park. Joe Royle gave them heart last night,
    enough heart to battle on and get a result. In order to string a few wins 
    together though, they are going to need to string a few passes together too.
    
    Ian.
35.1253CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 13:134
    Surely the performance doesn't matter when you're rooted to the bottom
    of the table? 
    
    Stuart 
35.1254yes butCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 13:1712
    > Surely the performance doesn't matter when you're rooted to the
    > bottom of the table?
      
    yeah, maybe the result IS the only thing that matters, but in order to
    string a few good results together (which is what they will need if
    they want to STAY off the bottom) they are going to need to start
    playing well. After all, you can't just live on motivation, and not
    every game is going to provide the same motivation as the merseyside
    derby.
    
    Ian.  
    
35.1255TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Tue Nov 22 1994 13:324
    
    	Just remind us what the score was again, Ian ;-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1256VESSA::WATTERSONGoing going...Tue Nov 22 1994 13:3812
    
    Ian,
    
    to be honest, it's just down to confidence. Liverpool looked very
    confident early on with lots of pretty passing - but never looked
    dangerous, basically they are not a good team, they just had a few good
    results this season. The turnaround at Goodison had started before
    Walker was sacked and hopefully Royle can keep the momentum going.
    Things would have been dire had Everton lost last night, but I'm
    confident they can get out of the sh*t now.
    
    Paul
35.1257see that bloke? he's off his head, he isCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 14:2215
    
    > Liverpool looked very confident early on with lots of pretty passing - 
    > but never looked dangerous, basically they are not a good team,
    > they just had a few good results this season.
    
    ?!?!?
    
    Liverpool have torn apart most teams so far this season with the
    exception of man utd, blackburn and now everton. confidence may have
    had a part but it cant take teams apart week after week.
    Just because a team has a "night off" doesnt mean they are not a good
    team. Liverpool have played consistently well all season and have
    thrown in the odd "vintage performance" for good measure.
    
    Ian.
35.1258VESSA::WATTERSONGoing going...Tue Nov 22 1994 14:3319
    re .1257
    
    Ian,
    
    No - Liverpool may have 'torn apart' the odd team that have thought 'oh
    no, it's the mighty Liverpool'and completly sh*t themselves.But having
    listened to most of Everton's away games on Radio City (I know, I sound
    like your average Man Utd supporter, but it is impossible to get to
    away games at the moment) anyway, I've heard regular reports on most of
    Liverpool's home games and they have been lucky to win games probably
    on four or five occassions already. Not much, but the difference
    between an average midtable team, which I think Liverpool are, and a
    team capable of challenging for the league which they seem to think
    they are - only time will tell.
    
    Anyway who gives a sh*t about Liverpool - EVerton won and that's all
    that matters.
    
    Paul
35.12592 pounds 50 and a bag of nutsCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 14:4618
    
    > only time will tell
    
    indeed, but i'd rather be in Liverpool's position than Everton's.
    New manager or no new manager.
    
    > Anyway who gives a sh*t about Liverpool
    
    not you then?
    
    > Everton won and that's all that matters.
    
    Whatever makes you happy Paul :-)
    Do Zeneca know you're so easily satisfied? They could have saved
    themselves some cash!
    
    
    Ian.
35.1260Keep this up Everton, good bottle....GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue Nov 22 1994 15:2219
    
    Paul ...you're talking drivel.....and unusual from you too I must say.
    Ian's report was a fair reflection of the game. I must admit that I
    didn't think I'd hear Liverpool being referred to as the red shite by an
    Evertonian. That is usually reserved by 'Scousers' to refer to a team not 
    far up the road.
    
    Liverpool looked a better team than Everton for most of the game but
    goals are where it matters and Everton showed more grit and
    deternmination.  QED...a 2-0 victory to Everton.
    
    Personally Paul....disappointed....sinking that low over a derby match
    is for other cities !!!
    
    Dezzz.
    
    
          
        
35.1261Red Shite - The DefinitionCHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 15:3710
    Dezzz
    
    Far be it for me to pick an arguement with you but I feel I must defend
    Paul's description of Liverpool. They are "red shite" and are only in
    the league position that they are in because of the stunning mediocrity
    of the rest of the division. Everton proved last night that if you keep
    Fowler quiet then by  and large Liverpool ain't gonna score
    
    Stuart
    
35.1262yawnCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Nov 22 1994 15:4719
    
    Stuart,
    
    >if you keep Fowler quiet then by  and large Liverpool ain't gonna score
    
    "Anfield acclaims teenager's hat-trick as Arsenal are brushed aside"
    "Fowler leads Liverpool to emphatic win"
    
    Those are headlines from the telegraph earlier this season.
    Is that what you are refering to?
    
    > the stunning mediocrity of the rest of the division
    
    I can't argue with that, I bow to a greater knowledge of the subject!
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
    
35.1263Got fed up with the taste of that woodworkSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Nov 22 1994 15:588
    
    Everybody knows that Liverpool are known as "the red shite". This could
    be the reason why so many danes and norwegians are attracted to
    Anfield.
    
    yours in rivalry,
    
    	Stefan
35.1264Lets stop talking about Liverpool pleaseCHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 16:0815
    Ian
    
    You've hit the nail right smack on the head. The Arsenal are, and have
    been for about the last 2 seasons, a stunningly mediocre league side.
    Cup competitions are another matter hence us winning more trophies than
    Liverpool in the 90's.8-)
    
    Fortunately we also have white sleeves on our shirts so I am quite willing
    to argue the toss with anyone who says that we are "red shite" also. 
    
    Red and white shite maybe but not red shite 8-)
    
    Stuart
    
    
35.1265My my...out of the woodwork....GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue Nov 22 1994 16:0820
    > the stunning mediocrity of the rest of the division
    
    I would go further than that....the stunning mediocrity of the whole
    Premier division including Manchester United. Performances by all
    English teams in Europe have spoken for themselves. Pathetic. However
    back to Liverpool. Yes they are pretty ordinary as are Everton but
    whereas Everton have been a little unfortunate this season, on the other
    hand Liverpool have been fortunate in some matches. Liverpool have
    deserved to lose to only 2 teams this season by relative inexperience
    of the team....QPR and Everton.
    
    BTW We'll forget the fact that they're averaging over 2 goals a game...
    not a very convincing statistic to warrant a label of 'shite' to a team
    
    ODER ??????

    
    Dezzz.
    
35.1266It's not personal Dezzz, honest!!CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 16:1618
    Dezzz
    
    Sorry to pick up on you again but can you please omit Arsenal from your
    condemnation of English teams in Europe (Chelsea are still involved). 
    Maybe if you specified the Champions Cup or the 2nd round of the UEFA
    Cup, I would agree. 
    
    Noticeably, Arsenal won the CW cup last year with basically their league 
    side and probably did so for this reason alone - lets face it, the
    football wasn't pretty but it was effective - and the Macs are
    struggling because although the replacements that they have are good
    enough to be in the Premiership, they are woefully inadequate for
    European glory. 
    
    The trouble with English football is the players ain't good enough 8-(
    
    Stuart
    
35.1267Amendment to note 35.1266CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 16:186
    Sorry in my last note, I typed "macs" when it should have read "mancs".
    Apologies to our scottish noters because I really wouldn't want to
    upset them. Honest.
    
    Stuart
    
35.1268VESSA::WATTERSONGoing going...Tue Nov 22 1994 16:2133
    
    Re a few back
    
    Dezzz,
    
    I know some people think Liverpool are good enough to challenge for the
    title, but the sad fact is that they're still basically the team that
    Souness bought. Many Liverpool supporters I know were pleasantly
    surprised to see Liverpool doing well, but the last two defeats have
    proved that they can be out battled and as Stuart said, keep Fowler
    quiet and most of the threat goes. 
    
    Barnes proved he's past it with an almost 'England-like' performance,
    did Rush touch the ball ?, Molby is too fat and slow to cause any harm
    - Liverpool do play some nice football, but the truth is they are
    ineffective where it counts and the best they can hope for is a top ten
    place in the League and maybe a cup semi-final.
    
    Don't be offended by the red-sh*te tag, it's been around for years and
    has always refered to Liverpool - incidently did you know that the
    official Liverpool supporters club planned a 'relegation party' at
    Villa last season had Everton not won against Wimbledon. I don't like
    Liverpool football club and I don't like some of their supporters, but
    having said that I watched last night's game in the pub with my mate,
    me in my Everton shirt, him in his Liverpool shirt - no animosity at
    all.
    
    Stefan - you're not trying to wind up the Danes and Norweigens are
    you ? (I've got that 'stuff' for you, I'll put it in the post this week
    sometime).
        
    Paul
    
35.1269??!!??GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue Nov 22 1994 16:2849
	Stuart,
    		I've already noted that Arsenal were the best performers by
    an English side in the last round. However, as stated their
    distribution was pretty mediocre.
    
    My whole point, and I think I make myself quite clear through various
    other notes, is that football in general worldwide is mediocre. Just
    look at the performances of any national or club team since the World
    cup	and the only one that stands out in all matches played is maybe..
    Ajax Amsterdam...and tomorrow we'll see how THEY perform in Trieste
    against a currently very mediocre EUROPEAN champion AC Milan.
     
    So, an Everton victory or defeat by 2 goals last night.....would not
    have surprised me one way or the other.....
    
    
    Dezzz.
    
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    Mmmm, a rather messy performance from Arsenal against a Brondby side
    who came out to play football. I missed the opening 15 minutes due to
    the Chelsea game and the first 3 minutes of the second half due to TV3
    Denmark's insistence on showing us loads of interesting adverts.
    
    Arsenal, though were the most impressive of the English sides in Europe
    this week....obviously not a difficult achievment to attain. I'll take
    all I said about Tony Adams back, he was very good as were Parlour and
    Wright; Parlour being for me the MOTM. Merson, Jenson and Keown were
    nothing short of abysmal with Merson taking the biscuit. Arsenal showed
    above the other English teams that in Europe you can't let up for a
    second and their duels and interceptions in midfield were on the whole 
    fairly successful. The part of the game they fell down on was
    distribution from the players you rely on for this activity with the
    exception of Parlour.
    
    I sure Mr Graham will be objective in his comments on this tie as it
    was not a performance worthy of a title holder defending at home in
    only the 2nd round.
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz, 
35.1270All this fuss over two little clubs - ManU play tomorrow ;-)GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Tue Nov 22 1994 16:3340
35.1271Silly Olsen's red-shite armySTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Nov 22 1994 16:4017
    
>    Stefan - you're not trying to wind up the Danes and Norweigens are
>    you ?
    
    would I ever? don't know if there's any around. I haven't seen any
    Norwegians in this conf since the World Cup. *Very* understandable
    considering their performance in the US. They've probably all gone back
    to brag about their winter olympic medals over in ANABLC::STEROIDS
    
> (I've got that 'stuff' for you, I'll put it in the post this week
>    sometime).
    
    great!
    
    	cheers,
    
    		Stefan
35.1272Premier is quite good - shockYUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHTue Nov 22 1994 16:4128
    
    Oh dear. What a load of old bollox is being written in here today.
    I would say that the Premier Division is as strong this season as it
    has been for many a year. It seems that the performances of some of 
    the European games has now meant the league is of a mediocre standard.
    Newcastle and Aston Villa both should have got through in their games,
    they were the better sides over the two matches (Aston Villa beat....
    now who was it...oh yes... Inter Milan in the previous round) and 
    both sides can consider themselves unlucky. Arsenal and Chelsea are
    both through to the quarter finals of the Cup Winners Cup. Man Utd
    were stuffed by a team that contains a couple of the finest players
    in the World, when they were short of two of their most influential.
    Barcelona had not put together a performance such as that all season.
    
    The Premier League now contains more foreign stars than it probably
    ever has - these players, in general, have improved the standard of
    play. Everton were going to come good at some point as they are a 
    stronger team than their position belies - unlike perhaps the whipping
    boys such as Ipswich and Leicester who are doomed to go back to the
    Endsleigh league.
    
    It was only a few years ago that Liverpool were winning everything
    (because they had no opposition) and the likes of Paul Mariner and 
    Peter Withe were considered two of the best strikers in the, what was,
    First Division. Now that was mediocrity.
    
    Andy
    
35.1273Again....GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue Nov 22 1994 16:4314
    
    Jerry, I must apologise for using ODER....perhaps I should have use
    ALORS!!! Get the drift ????!!!!!
    
    So, Liverpool are crap....what for losing 4 games and winning only 9....
    Don't talk daft lad. Its just above average as are Manchester United who
    unless it escaped your notice have been on the bad side of results
    against Leeds, Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday....
    
    I must say its a shame when individuals cannot take off those rose
    tinted specs and admit what's actually happening NOT how they would
    ideally like to see things themselves.
    
    Dezzz.
35.1274one more for the listCHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 16:434
    Andy
    
    You omitted Luther Blissett from you're list of *top* strikers in the
    English First Division. 
35.1275some more.... 8-{TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Tue Nov 22 1994 16:518
    
    	Gary Birtles
    	Ian Wallace
    	Alan Brazil
    	John Fashanu
    	Mick Harford
    	
    	Andy
35.1276VESSA::WATTERSONBlue tinted glassesTue Nov 22 1994 16:5510
    Andy Sant - can't we stick to one subject ?
    
    Re 34.3028
    
    What do you mean 'used to be the biggest derby' ? It still is, you
    can't count the Manc game as a Derby as few City supporters could get
    any tickets, they all went to the assorted Brummies, cockneys and
    various other non-Mancunians.
    
    Paul
35.1277UNTADE::TOPTue Nov 22 1994 16:576
    Dezzz,
    
    Sheffield Wednesday beat Man Utd because we are one of the best teams
    in Europe at the moment.
    
    Al (specs on).
35.1278GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue Nov 22 1994 17:006
    
    'Owls of laughter Al....I cannot see many United supporters disagreeing
    with you ....pleading the 5th I suppose......
    
    Dezzz.
    
35.1279And again and again and ...GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Tue Nov 22 1994 17:0133
    Dezzz,
    
    Re: .1273
    
    I got the ODER drift, I was just trying to use it for a pun - Es tut
    mir wirklich leid !  Is ALORS some kind of air-freshener ?
    
    As for "Liverpool are crap...". Once again, I omitted the (S) to denote
    the sarcasm. I thought from the earlier portion of the note that I made
    it clear that I felt Liverpool played the better football and simply
    didn't make it count. Perhaps this can be explained by the fact that
    they were *only* playing to climb a couple of places nearer the top.
    Everton on the other hand were playing to get off the bottom which
    tends to bring things into a much clearer focus. Add to that the fact
    that players are trying to impress a new manager and you have the
    recipe for an upset.
    
    So, to sum up, my rose-tinted spectacles are (usually) reserved for
    either stiring things up on a slow day, or for when I'm feeling
    particularly sarcastic (most weekedays and the odd Saturday and Sunday
    !). They are not, repeat NOT, to be taken too seriously (except maybe
    the odd time when I'm in angling mode !).
    
    I personally would like to see four or five teams within two or three
    points of each other next Easter battling it out for (whoa, almost 
    slipped into honesty there, but I can still redeem it if I can find
    those damn spectacles  - ah, there they are... now where was I) 
    SECOND place, with The Champions twenty-two points clear and 
    concentrating on European glories (albeit for 95/96 !)
    
    Yours in total seriousness ;-)
    
    Jerry.  
35.1280There ain't no stripes on my specs !GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Tue Nov 22 1994 17:0314
    Al, 
    
    Re:  Sheffield Wednesday beat Man Utd because we are one of the best teams
    in Europe at the moment.
    
    
    I disagree Al.  I'ld rank you as third best in Europe.
    
    Just after Ipswich and Leeds ;-)
    
    
    Jerry.
    
    
35.1281WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Nov 22 1994 17:1138
    re -1
    
    'used to be the biggest derby'
    
    Paul,
    
    The biggest derby in the UK I think has to be the Glasgow derby between
    Rangers and Celtic, no love lost there.....
    
    I would say that the Manchester and Liverpool derbies are normally
    hyped up affairs, however on the odd occasion they do seem to rise to
    the limits of exciting football, along with passionate crowds, whether
    they be from one team or mixed attendances....
    On saying that, I think the game between Utd and City was just as
    entertaining(if not more skillful) than the one last night between
    Everton and Liverpool. All four teams had made their own contribution
    to each game respectively, whether good or bad.... The crowds were loud
    and passionate and a great example to the rest of Europe and the world.
    
    I would rather watch a game like last nights than the boring slow build
    up of say the Italians.. yeah ok, they have certain degrees of skill
    and some stunning goals, but that does not last for 90 minutes, the
    rest of the time is spent passing the ball between the back four and
    then a long ball down the wings... holland, germany etc.. et al.
    
    Unfortunately we (UK) do not seem to re-produce the cut and thrust type
    of game played every Saturday that we see, against foreign opposition,
    which is shame as I feel if we did then all the teams that were in the
    Cups this season would still be in.... for eg. Blackburn...
    
    talking of BIG DERBY games when are they going to get the Scotland -
    England games back again.....?  
    
    anyway just my 2 p's worth...
    
    back to that four letter swear word ending in k...
    
    mac
35.1282Take your pick.....GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue Nov 22 1994 17:2220
    >talking of BIG DERBY games when are they going to get the Scotland -
    >England games back again.....?  
    
	Now THAT's a DERBY.....
    
    Good points re the teams in Europe. The Milan Derby last Sunday...mmmm
    very boring....Aston Villa beating Inter wasn't the surprise that seemed
    to be prevalent in the English papers.
    
    I suppose you can't have it every way....Leeds got slated for the way
    they played in the late 60's early 70's but achieved relative success
    in Europe. Liverpool were fortunate enough to have the players to turn
    that approach into reasonable entertainment and Arsenal are the team
    that are doing it today....
    
    BTW Jerry....Alles Klar !!!
    
    
    Dezzz.  
          
35.1283VESSA::WATTERSONBlue tinted glassesTue Nov 22 1994 18:2111
    
    What's all this German cr*p anyway ?
    
    These Scottish derby's aren't up to much, basically because it's the
    ONLY big games they play every season. 
    
    Liverpool supporters will have to face facts and admit they are nowhere
    near as good as they were in the 1980s - but I'm sure that the ones
    that go to games regulary probably realise that already.
    
    Paul
35.1284CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 22 1994 18:286
    Ooh Paul
    
    That was catty. All Liverpool fans attend all their matches. Just like
    Manchester United fans ;-)
    
    Stuart
35.1285A dedicated follower ...GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Tue Nov 22 1994 19:009
    Stuart,
    
>    That was catty. All Liverpool fans attend all their matches. Just like
>    Manchester United fans ;-)
    
    I have to confess, I can't make it to all the matches although I do try
    to get along to the home games in the London area ;-)
    
    Jerry.
35.1286sigh.....TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Tue Nov 22 1994 19:1712
    
    	Here we go again...same old b*ll*cks....if you're not travelling
    	to a game every week you don't count as a supporter....
    
    	Jeez. I stood on the Stretford End before some of you were born.
    	Just coz I don't want to/can't any more (the fact I live 250 miles
    	away and can't afford the money or the time) has no bearing on
    	anything.
    
    	We're not all just like you, you know...8-) oblig smiley thing.
    
    	Andy.
35.1287"Mate"??? Cellmate? Fellow accused??YUPPY::PANESWill you take a cheque, Bruce?Wed Nov 23 1994 12:1115
            <<< Note 35.1268 by VESSA::WATTERSON "Going going..." >>>

 >    having said that I watched last night's game in the pub with my mate,
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^


Watty,

I hope your note has been x-posted in PORKYS::LIARS conference.


Hugs,

Stuart    

35.1288VESSA::WATTERSONBlue tinted glassesWed Nov 23 1994 12:277
    MR PANES !!!

    Please don't write controversial notes in here - you might upset some
    noters.
    
    Paul
35.1289TWO_NIL,TWO_NIL,TWO_NIL ..SIOG::DAWSONWed Nov 23 1994 13:3521
    
    
    Somewhere we got off track here ..
    
    Everton beat ,deservedly, the "red shite " once again in Goodison ..
    
    Thats all that matters (alto the three points came in handy).
    
    
    
                                Cheers
    
    
                                        Liam
    
    p.s. note to Joe Royle : Dont buy that Ferguson chappy for #4 m
           If you get him for $1m then take him but nothing more 
           also give "the devil Rideout" a ten-year contract.
    
    
                
35.1290Incredible...GYMAC::DCASSIDYWed Nov 23 1994 13:416
    
    And yet another one comes flying out of the woodwork.....
    
    At this rate they'll get over 20,000 for their next home game...!!!!
    
    Dezzz.
35.1291Everton 2-0 Red sh*teVESSA::WATTERSONBlue tinted glassesWed Nov 23 1994 14:0310
    
    Dezzzz, Dezzz, you sound very bitter and twisted....
    
    Liam lives in Dublin and has been to at least one game this season,
    which puts him above most other noters.
    
    Everton's average is now something in the region of 32,000 not bad for
    a team struggling so far this season.
    
    Paul
35.1292the boysWARFUT::NEARYWed Nov 23 1994 14:4814
    Hi Paul
    Its nice to have you back with us I can read your notes on our boys
    now, what did you think of the match Monday good or what, four games
    unbeaten now do you think its to late to overhaul those others reds
    at the top. I hope to catch you up at Warrington again you will have
    to give me a bell when your up.
    
    best regards
    		Mick.			
    
    
    
    
    
35.1293Strange for a Scouser ?!?!?!GYMAC::DCASSIDYWed Nov 23 1994 14:5012
    
    Paul, 
    	Keep working on that sense of humour...you get it right one day.
    
    I must admit I am very disappointed with you, Paul. To call me bitter
    and twisted is below the belt and am quite offended.
    
    Thanks lad !!!
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz.
35.1294It all seems reasonable to meYUPPY::PANESWill you take a cheque, Bruce?Wed Nov 23 1994 15:0553
Dezzz,

If by the title ( "Strange for Scouser" ) you are referring to the cheeky
Merseysiders sense of fun, you will the following, penned by the
Voice of Football, and posted in rec.sport.soccer, illuminating.

If, as I suspect, you mean that the self-styled "Beast of Basingstoke"
( Watty ), is strange even by Northern standard, then read no further.

Hope this helps,

Stuart


BTW I believe the Voice of Football is referring, to the people Watty calls
    the Red Shite.
     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
 Oh bloody hell, run for cover, the SCOUSERS are back !
 
 Whether or not their wonderful, all conquering football club will ever
 dominate English and european football like it did a few years ago is
 debateable, but one thing's for certain: As their footballing fortunes once
 more take a turn for the good, we're going to be plagued again
 with that hypersensitive, humourless, bunch of thieves that support them.
 
 I know they suffer the indignity of living in a sewer which rivals that
 stinking cess-pit called Manchester, but you'd have thought that countless
 league titles and FA Cups might have brightened them up a bit.
 Not a bit of it ! They still have a collective chip on their shoulder which
 could keep Harry Ramsden in business for the next 200 years. Ever tried
 criticising a scouser ? Jesus Christ, they don't like it do they ?
 
 The amazing thing about scousers is that they reckon they are the funniest,
 warmest, loveable people that the good lord put on this planet.
 
 If by funny you mean, Jimmy Tarbuck, Stan Boardman and Tom O'Connor
 (incredibly Liverpool's top comedians) they should think again. The only time
 you hear a scouser laughing and joking is when he's lifting the wallet out
 of your jacket pocket.
 If by warm you mean possessing Britain's worst crime rate, child killers, and
 Heysel hooligans. I don't think so.
 And if anyone can love someone with an horrendous, phlegm rattling, spittle
 showering accent that they all seem to possess, then they must enjoy washing
 their hair a lot.
 
 Please somebody, please knock them out of the FA Cup this year. I don't think
 I could stand another "Des Lynam Walk Down Wembley way with Witty Scousers".
 Not this year, not for a while. Please.
 -----------------
 Voice of Football
 
35.1295TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Wed Nov 23 1994 15:107
    
    	Brilliant 8v)
    
    	Couldn't have put it better myself. Prepare for a few SET HIDENs,
    	again, guys....
    
    	Andy.
35.1296And what's this got to do with Everton?VARESE::KEEGAN::IDC_CASEWed Nov 23 1994 15:4432
    re: .1281
    >The biggest derby in the UK I think has to be the Glasgow derby between
    >Rangers and Celtic, no love lost there.....
    
    This takes me back to the old FOOTBALL conference, where someone
    actually started a note about which local derby or fixture (in Europe)
    aroused the most passion. We had notes citing City-United,
    Everton-Liverpool, Atletico Madrid-Real, Inter-Milan, Genoa-Sampdoria,
    etc. Then a Scottish noter wrote in and said that "the Glasdow derby
    beat all the rest hollow because it went much deeper than football"
    i.e., Rangers fans burning wax effigies of the Pope, Celtic fans
    singing songs against the Queen, etc.
    
    The next note was a bit of a p*sstake (understatement of the century!),
    but it just about brought the house down. Unfortunately, I can only
    paraphrase it:
    
    "The biggest Here in London, us Chelsea fans have really got it in for an 
    Italian club, A.S. Roma. We've never quite forgiven them for invading us in
    A.D. 73 (?). The story goes that they used to stand on the cliffs of
    Normandy singing: "What's it like to have no roads?". Our ancestors,
    Chelsea fans to the marrow, used to paint themselves blue..." ;-)
    
    I think it proved to be the last note in the topic.
    
    Dom
    
    P.S. Now, Brighton-Palace...*that* was a derby. Free admission to the
    North Stand if you could tell a joke about Palace that the turnstile
    operator hadn't already heard ;-)
    
    
35.1297SO SAYS DEZZZZZZZZZZZSIOG::DAWSONWed Nov 23 1994 16:1225
    
    
    RE:1290
    	Thanks Paul for the defense but dezzz must have a short memory
     or maybe isint in Dec that long .Until last year i was a regular
     noter but have since Left Dec (big wallet included )and am now
    only on contract.
    Yes I only attend four or five matchs a year but as Paul rightly
    says I live in Dublin ,So the cost is a major factor say $300 a 
    match (including gargle,which is about half that).
    My exploits with Everton include trips to Wembley Twice ,Carrow rd
    Highbury ,Elland Rd ,Main rd,Old Trafford and Anfield.
    I am also on the committee of the Everton Supporters Club in Ireland
    
    SO IT,S HARDLY OUT OF THE WOODWORK WHEN YOU ARE PART OF THE WOODWORK.
    
    
                  nuff said 
    
    
                            Liam
    
    P.S. I forgot to mention Highfield rd ,Yes i have only been to one
     match this season ,A glamour tie against Coventry in Goodison
    HARDLY BANDWAGON JUMPING ...
35.1298GYMAC::DCASSIDYWed Nov 23 1994 16:3424
    
    Liam,
    	I wasn't referring to YOU as to attending matches..it would be
    quite difficult for me in Munich to attend Anfield every other week so
    I understand that.....
    
    OK HERE GOES....FOR THE LAST TIME....
    
    The thing that pisses me off is out of the woodwork comments like "the
    red shite" ARE in the main the only things I hear. In Liverpool,
    they are referred to ...The Pool...NOT...'the red shite'
    
    That was my original note .....
    
    Geddit !!!!!
    
    Good !!!!!
    
    
    
    	Thanks and Regards,
    
    	Dezzz.
                   
35.1299It's just a joke ! Don't go headbutting me or anything !GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Wed Nov 23 1994 16:4510
    Jeeeez Dezzz,
    
    You seem to be spending most of your time having to explain yourself in
    here. Perhaps we should start referring to Everton fans as 
    
    
    "The Thick Shites"    ;-)
    
    
    Jerry.
35.1300VESSA::WATTERSONEverton 2-0 Red pooh Wed Nov 23 1994 16:4816
    
    Dezzz,
    
    I suppose the 'Red shite'/'Pool' depends on who you talk to in
    Liverpool - I must be mixing with the wrong sorts.... I could send you
    some of the 300-400 Everton mailing list mails since Tuesday -
    none talk about 'The Pool', but virtually all make reference to the Red
    shite.... never mind I'll be gone in just over a week - I'll try and
    get another contract back at digital in time for the next derby...:-)
    
    Paul
    
    PS - Stuart - appearantly there's three people left in digital that
    haven't either been mailed the VOF artcile or seen it in a notesfile,
    could you please mail it to me again so I can send it on to them.
    (another big :-))
35.1301TUXEDO::HINXMANSupport your local restaurateurWed Nov 23 1994 17:3410
	re .1294

> I know they suffer the indignity of living in a sewer which rivals that
> stinking cess-pit called Manchester, but you'd have thought that countless

	This is unfair to Manchester.

	"The only solution to Liverpool is in the fifty megaton range."

	Tony
35.1302CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Nov 23 1994 17:567
    Re -1
    
    Lets face it chaps, the only solution to anything north of Watford "is
    in the fifty megaton range". That said, when comparing Liverpool and 
    Manchester, it is hardest to say which is the biggest sewer.
    
    Southern Softie
35.1303FORTY2::FOWLERMSammy Chung's Scarlet ArmyWed Nov 23 1994 18:177
Seeing as how the home internationals appear to have gone the way of the
dinosaur, we should institute a North v South match every year to put the
southern jessies in their place.

Remind me, how many southern teams are there in the Premiership top six? 8-)

Mike
35.1304CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Nov 23 1994 18:228
    Mike
    
    Slightly more than Birmingham can supply 8-)
    
    Stuart
    
    
        
35.1305FORTY2::FOWLERMSammy Chung's Scarlet ArmyWed Nov 23 1994 18:343
Ah, curses. Foiled again. 8-)

Mike
35.1306I would rather watch paint set...FORTY2::JONESNeilWed Nov 23 1994 19:0716
    
    What a lot of drivel has been written here in the last few days.
    
    I guess that the term red-s**** was invented because the Toffees were a
    bit miffed that they couldn't match the success of their neighbours and
    the only thing they could fall back on was the subtle art of obsenity.
    
    It could also have been invented as a riposte to the witty "12 years
    without a cup... E V E R T O N" which was a much used Kop chant before
    Everton actually won the league, fa cup (and Euro Cup Winners?).
    
    Personally I am a bit bored by the topic. Now we have discussed the
    ins-and-outs of football-terrace-vocabulary (or should that be
    all-seater-verbalisation) can we get back to discussing football?
    
    Neil
35.1307TUXEDO::HINXMANSupport your local restaurateurThu Nov 24 1994 00:0212
	re .1302

>    Lets face it chaps, the only solution to anything north of Watford "is
>    in the fifty megaton range". That said, when comparing Liverpool and 

	"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough
	 It isn't fit to live in now."
					John Betjeman

	I believe Slough is south of Watford.

	Tony
35.1308Geography questionWARLRD::WICKS_ABrazil v Italy - I was there!Thu Nov 24 1994 00:529
    tony,
    
    slough is actually south-west of watford (:==:)
    
    and it's near wonderful scenic old reading too
    
    regards
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
35.1309CHEFS::STRATFORDSThu Nov 24 1994 12:106
    >"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough
    > It isn't fit to live in now."
    
    Couldn't agree more.
    
    Stuart 
35.1310VESSA::WATTERSONEverton 2-0 Red pooh Mon Nov 28 1994 14:0515
    
    Chelsea 	0-1	Everton 		att 28,000ish (sell out)
    			Rideout (39)
    
    Sounded like a great game on the radio - Nev made a couple of great
    saves and Wise hit the post, but Everton hit the bar (Parkinson), the
    post (Ferguson), Rideout had a perfectly good goal disallowed and Horne
    managed to miss an open goal from two yards. 
    
    Much better result than Monday as the opposition were of a much higher
    standard - Everton out-fought Chelsea with Nev and Ferguson outstanding
    - even Limpar had a good game.
    
    Paul
    
35.1311Street lifeYUPPY::ANDERSONRThey weren't even 2nd to the ballTue Nov 29 1994 11:1511
    
    News from a usually reliable source....
    
    ....Mike Walker's dismissal was [allegedly] more to do with the board's
    distaste for his 'Pleatist' social habits than his management skills...
    
    ....and Peter Reid turned down the No. 2 slot at Goodison for fear of
    compromising his ongoing pay-off from City of #18K per month
    [obligatory allegedly...]
    
    Rob
35.1312VESSA::WATTERSONEverton 2-0 Red pooh Tue Nov 29 1994 12:229
    
    Trust you to bring this sordid type of thing into the Everton note....
    
    But seriously, there were rumours going round that, despite being a
    happily married man, Mr W. had a 'friend' (female/ not paid for) with
    whom he shared his hotel room - it was also rumoured that the News of
    the World had documented evidence of this.
    
    Paul
35.1313byeVESSA::WATTERSONDon't mention sheepFri Dec 02 1994 12:499
    Well, seeing as my life at digital as a humble contractor is ending
    today (I've got another contract much closer to home),I thought I'd say
    goodbye and good luck to all footy noters.
    
    I can't promise I won't turn up in digital again, but you can have a
    rest from me for three months at least......
    
    Watty
    
35.1314YUPPY::PANESI think therefore I ambientFri Dec 02 1994 12:5811

  Watty,

  Who knows, but next time you come back , Everton might be top (sheep) dogs
  in the Endsleigh.


  Give my regards to Senegal Fields,

  Stuart
35.1316we never did have that drink!COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Fri Dec 02 1994 13:2511
    
    Watty, 
    
    Dear Friend, Dear Heart, Living Inspiration...
    
    
    
    P!$$ off!
    
    
    Ian.
35.1317GYMAC::DCASSIDYFri Dec 02 1994 13:318
    
    Paul,
    	All the best....the Evertone note will not sound the same without
    you.!!!
    
    Cheers,
    
    Dezzz.
35.1318See you againSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeFri Dec 02 1994 13:475
    
    
    Good luck Paul
    
    /Stefan
35.1319All the best, Paul.UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnFri Dec 02 1994 13:521
    
35.1320RTFM1::GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Fri Dec 02 1994 13:548
    
    Watty,
    
    	good luck old boy.
    
    JBG
    
    	and may you come back in the next life as a blade of grass 8-)
35.1321TTFNWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticFri Dec 02 1994 14:2511
    
    
    a bit of deja-vu with all these farewells to Mr Watty...
    
    Anyway, does that mean you might be able to dazzle us with your
    footballing wizardry on Monday nights???? or are you still too far to
    travel???
    
    all the best and all that c**p....
    
    Mac
35.1322GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Fri Dec 02 1994 17:018
    Re: A few back "The Everton note won't sound the same"
    
    Quite true, in fact it probably won't be making any noise at all !
    
    Best of luck Watty. I hope you're not leaving cos you got the huff with
    Matt the Prat (it rhymes much better the Matt the Sheep).
    
    Jerry.
35.1324GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Fri Dec 02 1994 17:131
    Come back Matt we love you really ;-)
35.1325XSTACY::PHAYDENFri Dec 02 1994 17:523
Good luck Paul ,

and may the rates rise to meet you.
35.1326RTFM1::GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Tue Dec 06 1994 10:528
    
    	Everton brushed aside Leeds last night in a convincing 3:0 home
    victory. That makes it 3 wins out of 3 for new manager Joe Royle and
    now unbeaten in the last 6 games. They move above Villa into 19th place
    as a result & meet Villa away on Saturday (I wanted to have this match
    as the predictions game but somebody beat me to it 8-(.
    
    JBG 
35.1327where is PaulWOTVAX::NEARYMMichael NearyWed Dec 07 1994 17:055
    Hi JBG,
    	Is there anyone out there who knows where Paul new contract is
    if its back up here.
    
    	Mick.
35.1328.......PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Dec 07 1994 17:494
    
    ICL in Manchester.
    
    Dave...
35.1329thanksWOTVAX::NEARYMMichael NearyWed Dec 07 1994 22:304
    Hi Dave
    	Cheers for that Dave.
    
    	mick.
35.1330same thing?COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Thu Dec 08 1994 12:376
    
    Dave,
    
    He told me it was Zeneca?
    
    Ian.
35.1331ici & zenicaWOTVAX::NEARYMMichael NearyThu Dec 08 1994 16:405
    Hi Dave 7 Ian,
    		ICI & Zenica are the same, Zenica took over the ICI plants
    as far as I,m aware.
    
    	cheers mick.
35.1332Straitjacket for Mr Royle, nurse...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCNogbad the BadFri Dec 09 1994 18:0126
    
    	Are you bunch REALLY going to buy Duncan Ferguson ???
    
    	And if so, are you REALLY going to pay 4 million quid for him ???
    
    	You need your brains testing !!! He is no more than a half decent
    old fashioned centre forward at best, and at worst he is a downright
    liability as Rangers can demonstrate. He would be in prison right now if
    it wasn't for those expensive clever laywers employed by Rangers to get
    him off, and he still has a court case pending against him. The Fiscal said
    at the time it was absolutely his last warning, so they are bound to jump
    on him with both feet. What good is a four million pound player sitting
    in the pokey ? Not to mention a ten (or is it 12) match ban waiting in
    the wings. Mark my words, you will regret this purchase just as Rangers
    did. Why not learn from their mistake and not touch him with several
    bargepoles ? If you need a big striker there must be others around.
    (Admittedly I can't think of any offhand.)
    
    	OK I admit it, I just don't want to see Rangers get out of jail (sic)
    on this one. They made the initial mistake and they shouldn't get off by
    passing it on to someone else. Especially as they will use the money to
    buy somebody decent and then they will be even further ahead of the rest
    of us ...
    
    	Mr T Burns of Glasgow.
    
35.1333What is the world coming to ? (Ravel's Bolero)AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCNogbad the BadWed Dec 14 1994 14:139
    
    	Official. Everton have more money than sense.
    
    	Duncan Ferguson signs for 4.25 million squid (give or take a couple).
    
    	I despair.
    
    	Malc.
    
35.1334REOSV2::STRATFORDSWed Dec 14 1994 14:184
    Bit of a waste of money given that he's either going inside for a while
    and/or being suspended for approx. 12 games.
    
    Stuart
35.1335Is there anybody there ?AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCNogbad the BadWed Dec 14 1994 14:346
    
    	The smart money says both.
    
    	BTW are there no Everton supporters left now that Paul Watterson
    has gone ?
    
35.13364m for drunken Duncan ???SIOG::DAWSONMon Dec 19 1994 12:3920
    
    
    Yes there still is some Toffee,s around but we are still in shock
    spending 4m on Ferguson !!!
    I presume EL JOE knows more than us ,maybe Dunc is banging them in
    on the training ground or something but 4m ???????
    
    Everton have set a club record by going 7 games without conceding
    a goal (and yes i was calling for Southalls blood not too long ago)
    It,s a pity that we are still where we are in the league tables
    PSSS Dont mention the "R" word in this topic ..
    
    
    
                           Cheers
    
    
                            Liam
    
    
35.1337EXILED BLUESNOFS1::MARSHGRAHAMThu Dec 22 1994 06:551
    
35.1338EXILED BLUESNOFS1::MARSHGRAHAMThu Dec 22 1994 07:0210
    
    I'M A VERY EXILED BLUE WORKING IN DIGITAL RHODES SYDNEY WITH NO
    KNOWLEDGE OF COMPUTERS AND AM VERY SADDENED THAT NO ONE IS KEEPING ME 
    INFORMED WITH THE EXPLOITS OF THE RESURGENT BLUES.COULD SOMEONE PLEASE
    INFORM ME OF ANY SNIPPETTS OF INFO.
    
    PS AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS DRUNKEN DUNCANS A GOOD BUY CAN ANY
    HUNS BACK ME UP ON THIS OR ARE YOU STLL CRYING.
    
                                                                        
35.1339I agreeKIRKTN::AMILLARFilms Process Response TeamThu Dec 22 1994 09:4312
    
    Hello,
    	I agree with you. I think Dunc will prove to be a good buy for
    Everton. He is well renowned for his heading ability and time will tell
    just how good his body swerves are 8-))
        Joking apart, I think he does have a lot of potential, and it will
    be up to Everton to give him the chance to pay back the fee. I also
    think that he can become one of the greatest Scottish players of all
    time. (No jokes about the current squad please!)
    
    Archie
    
35.1340Grumpy head on this morning. Xmas? Bah! Humbug!REOSV2::STRATFORDSThu Dec 22 1994 11:517
    Hello. 
    
    Please take the caps lock off. It is very rude to shout.
    
    Thankyou.
    
    Deaf of Reading
35.1341Try InternetSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Dec 22 1994 13:2319
    
    Hi MARSHGRAHAM,
    
    Welcome to ::Football. 
    
    There is another way to get news on Everton and that is to subscribe
    to the Internet mailing list.
    
    The Internet address is everton@wg.estec.esa.nl
    
    If you've got an ALL-IN-1 account you should be able to address the
    list by everton@wg.estec.esa.nl@INTERNET (if that doesn't work ask your
    local friendly IS people how to access the Internet)
    
    Put the word "subscribe" in the message and you're on the list.
    
    	cheers,
    
    		Stefan
35.1342Have a Royal new year !!!!!SIOG::DAWSONFri Dec 23 1994 19:2415
    
    
    
     A Merry Christmas to all the Noters in this conference ,especially
     All the BLUENOSES ...
    
     And lets hope we have a better and brighter new year for 1995...
    
    
    
                           Cheers
    
                              Liam
    
    
35.1343A long way away...GYMAC::DCASSIDYWed Dec 28 1994 19:187
    
    >> Please take the caps lock off. It is very rude to shout.
    
    Ah come on now....he's coming in from Australia....
    
    Dezzz.
    
35.1344EXILED BLUESNOFS1::MARSHGRAHAMFri Jan 06 1995 08:0915
   AS it is the start os long campaign towards WEMBLEY.I thought I'd add a 
    song for good luck.
    
    
    		HERE WE GO HERE WE GO 
    		EVERTON IS THE BEST WE ALL KNOW
    		WERE THE TEAM WERE SUPREME
    		WERE EVERTON AND WE'LL 
    		BE EVERTON FOREVER
    I COULD BORE YOU WITH OTHER 4 VERSUS BUT AS I'M ONLY NEW I WON'T PUSH
    MY LUCK
    GRAHAM
    
    F
    
35.1345Isn't punctuation a wonderful thing?TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Fri Jan 06 1995 12:404
    
    	I think "Were the team" and "Were supreme" say it all, really ;-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1346far too niceCOMICS::HAWLEYIStuart Stratford IS Don HoweFri Jan 06 1995 13:075
    
    Come on Andy, when were they ever "the team" or "supreme"???
    You're far too charitable for your own good!
    
    Ian.
35.1347AYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Fri Jan 06 1995 14:498
	Exiled Blue, 

	It seems that you are a Rangers fan from your mad 
	rantings so I thought that I would tell you there is a 
	Black Boa..sorry Rangers Topic in this conference. No.47.

	Choppers The Tim
35.1348THE F A CUP MARCH STARTSSNOFS1::MARSHGRAHAMMon Jan 09 1995 01:5316
    I don't know what made you think I'm one of those bigoted HUNS.I'M
    actually a TIM who's spent many a hour at PARKHEAD and I've even seen
    them win somethink.I was converted when one of my  mates dragged me to 
    the FORREST GROUND to see the UEFA game agianst FORREST as i was the 
    only one who could drive and have been a convert ever since even though
    I'M ORANGE B******.Anyway back to the mighty BLUES I think you could be
    gettin a few more versus even though it's a tough draw away from home.I 
    stayed up to listen to world service bitin my nails even though the red
    s***e were the comentary match spawny b***** but you know there record 
    at that dump against lower division teams COME ON YOU BLUES.      F
    I would be gratefull if anyone could provide me with the draw as it
    takes a few days to get over here in the papers 
    THANKS EXILED BLUE
    
    
    
35.1349We march on !!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONMon Jan 09 1995 11:4918
    
    Everton stormed (@#) to a magnificent victory over Derby County .
    (well we won 1-0 ,a rare goal from Andy Hinchcliff,who incidently
    is becoming a vital part of the Blues team lately).
    
    We now meet Bristol city/ Stoke city away on the 27/28/29 of Jan in
    the next round.
    
    Duncan Ferguson goes to court today ,charged with headbutting someone
    The Scottish F.A will be watching with interest and will proably decide
    his ban (if any) depending on todays verdict .
    
    Arsenal away on saturday and three points a must .......
    
    
                             Liam 
    
    
35.1350Chibber Ferguson (AKA Norman Stanley Fletcher)PAKORA::JJACKMon Jan 09 1995 22:4111
    
    Dunk the Drunk's imminent spell of porridge, was put on hold today
    after his court case was adjourned to May 9th. This means that when he's 
    found guilty of headbutting (oops...allegedly headbutting) John McStay,
    he'll serve his time during the close season.
    Perhaps Joe Royle's search for a striker can now be put on hold for a
    while.
    Heard on the radio today that he was knocked back in a 2nd bid for
    Villa's Dean Saunders.
    
    
35.1351UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseWed Jan 11 1995 11:5712
    After Joe Royle heard about Andy Cole's move to Salford he was straight
    on the phone to Old Trafford enquiring about the availability of Mark
    Hughes. Reports in the paper say he's prepared to offer the three year
    contract that Hughes wants and will offer upto 2.5 m pounds. Seems a
    lot for a 31 year old.
    
    Hughes had earlier turned down the offer of a transfer to Newcastle as
    part of that deal. He would be more likely to accept an invitation from
    Everton as this would tie in with his domestic arrangements - he's
    currently having a house built in Cheshire.
    
    Paul. 
35.1352CHEFS::GEORGEMThe wonderful thing about tiggers...Wed Jan 11 1995 12:221
Man U. have accepted the 2.5 million offer, so it's now up to Sparky.
35.1353CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 11 1995 12:2811
    >> Man U. have accepted the 2.5 million offer, so it's now up to Sparky.
    
    
    Matt,
    
    Where did you hear/read this ?  I would be surprised if Utd let Hughes
    go now.  Apart from anything else, Cole is cup-tied.  Utd need a
    striker for the FA Cup.
    
    Dave
    
35.1354CHEFS::GEORGEMThe wonderful thing about tiggers...Wed Jan 11 1995 13:014
I read it in the "Super soaraway 22p" Sun.  Headline : Royle lands Sparky.
Mark Hughes is apparently "thinking it over"...."after Man United accepted a 
2.5m bid".  Fergie doesn't mind selling him, now, presumably because of all 
that pulava about the contracts not so long ago.
35.1355Hello HughseyAYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Wed Jan 11 1995 14:048
Just heard onn the Net from someone that heard on the Radio, 
that Mark Hughes has joined Everton for =A32.5M(what is that, 
I think it might be meant to be 3.25)which is al lot of money 
for an *old* man.


Choppers

35.1356Pi**ed OffCHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 11 1995 14:372
    If this is true, then Fergie must be absolutely mad - to lose Gillespie
    and Hughes (and 3m quid) for Andy Cole is barmy.
35.1357PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Jan 11 1995 14:4212
35.1358CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 11 1995 14:4815
    I think Fergie is wrong on 2 points :
    
    First, I would have wanted until after the season had ended.  Utd need
    a striker for the FA Cup and with injuries/suspensions Fergie had lots
    of options keeping Hughes.
    
    Secondly, Hughes is vital to the way Utd play.  More often than not,
    Bruce, Pallister and Irwin are content to hoof the ball upfield for
    Hughes.  He is one of the best in the business at holding the ball
    waiting for teammates to arrive.  Cole cannot do this yet.  His arrival
    INSTEAD of Hughes means a totally different way of playing.  One that
    may in the long term be more suited to Utd, but its a crazy time to
    start arsing around with the system at this stage in the season.
    
    Dave
35.1359Fools and their money are soon parted ...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyWed Jan 11 1995 14:499
    
    	1357 spot on. Everton should be carted off to the loony bin en bloc.
    I can only think that they've discovered a tunnel into the Royal Mint,
    or perhaps their Chairman wins the lottery and the pools and the
    premium bonds every week. They wouldn't like to make me an offer for
    my car, by any chance ?
    
    Malc.
    
35.1360>>><<SSMPRD::MBONINIWed Jan 11 1995 16:054
    re -2
    
    what time of the season do you start arsing around then????
    
35.1361..or when you sign Justin FashanuCHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 11 1995 16:193
    >>what time of the season do you start arsing around then????
    
    When the system ain't working !
35.1362where is Justin FashenuSSMPRD::MBONINIWed Jan 11 1995 18:147
    re -1
    
    
    how do you define that then ..... if you've just gone out of the
    Champions league or if you're bottom or what???
    
    
35.1363Contract - HughesREOSV3::HOUSENWorld famous brick hypnotistWed Jan 11 1995 18:1910
Re: .1358

Regardless of whether Ferguson should have bought Cole/sold Hughes - If he had
waited till the end of the season, I believe that Hughes would have been `out
of contract'  and therefore unlikely to command the sama transfer fee.

To Everton, having a decent, proven player for 2-3 years seems to be a good bet.
If he brings any measure of success, then they'll recoup the transfer fee.

Norman
35.1364REOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldWed Jan 11 1995 18:444
    Lets face it, if Everton stay up as a result of signing Hughes then
    they will have got their money's worth in one season.
    
    Stuart
35.1365CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 11 1995 19:1610
    re.1363
    
    I appreciate the point about Hughes being "out of contract" and
    commanding less of a fee, but come on, are Utd really bothered about
    losing say 1m quid on the Hughes transfer ?  They sold Dublin for 2m,
    have made 11m profit, and they have a new kit out !  That's the thing
    that really pi$$es me off - if they're selling Hughes to recoup some money,
    then that's boll**ks.  
    
    Dave
35.1366REOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldWed Jan 11 1995 19:2212
35.1367This way for the cynical note ...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyWed Jan 11 1995 19:247
    
    	Dave, maybe they have to finance another exorbitant hike in salary
    for Paul Mince who is no doubt having a tantrum because Andy Cole earns
    more money than him.
    
    Malc (in a bitchy mood).
    
35.1368Bitchiness spreadsREOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldWed Jan 11 1995 19:447
    Malc
    
    Ince has probably got a deal which automatically gives him a payrise
    when somebody comes in on a higher wage. Wouldn't surprise me if he was
    the agent who brokered the deal. Gives him 20% of the signing on fee.
    
    Stuart
35.1369CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 11 1995 19:4519
    re:.1366
    
    Stuart,
    
    Yeah, you're right.  The club is now being run by accounts.  Even so,
    if they're only gaining around 1m by selling him now, why dont they
    offload players like Brian McClair ?  Surely he's worth a million of
    anybodys money !
    
    re:.1367
    
    Malc,
    
    That time of the month is it, eh ?
    
    
    
    Dave
                                
35.1370Yes, Dave.................Payday!AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyWed Jan 11 1995 19:571
    
35.1371Court in session...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyThu Jan 12 1995 13:3417
    
    	There appears to be a rather embarrassed silence concerning
    yesterdays rumour about Mark Hughes transfering to Everton which I for
    one fell for hook line and sinker.
    
    	So, not that I'm one to point fingers and apportion blame, but ...
    
    Everybody who didn't start yesterday's rumour take one pace forward ...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	     Where do you think you're going, Choppers the Tim ?
    
    
35.1372CHEFS::GEORGEMThe wonderful thing about tiggers...Thu Jan 12 1995 13:492
I'm afraid the Sun started the rumour, so let's wait and see whether anything 
happens over the next week, eh?
35.1373Sexy vicars night of sinAYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyThu Jan 12 1995 14:026
    
    	What ? The British press (loose term) get something wrong ? Did
    they actually print it as a fact or speculation, Matt ?
    
    Malc.
    
35.1374A Daily Sport reader writesREOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldThu Jan 12 1995 14:047
    Malc
    
    With the Sun, even the facts they print are speculation. Nobody could
    ever accuse that particular paper of checking details. After all, why
    let the truth get in the way of a good story.
    
    Stuart
35.1375CHEFS::GEORGEMThe wonderful thing about tiggers...Thu Jan 12 1995 14:111
Who knows?  They printed it as fact, but it could quite conceivably be wrong.
35.1376SparkyAYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Fri Jan 13 1995 16:445
The reason I started writing in about it is 'cos I read on the 
net that he had joined Everton, from someone who said he heard in the radio.(puff! pant!)


Choppers
35.1377Spend Spend Spend .....SIOG::DAWSONFri Jan 13 1995 20:3125
    
    
    I believe the transfer deadline is sunday ?? If so then Hughes must 
    make up his mind today ..If he comes to Goodison and we stay up
    he will be worth the $2.5 m.Everton have spent nearly 12m already in
    the last 9mts and look where they are ..
           IN
     2.1m    Samways
     3.0m    Amochacki
     4.3m    Ferguson  
     1.6m    Limpar
      .3m    Parkinson
      .3m ?  Rowatt
     1.1m    Burrows (cottee as 1m plus 100k cash )
               
              
    
                A lot of money for not a lot of return ........
    
    
                                      Liam
    
    
    
     
35.1378CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Jan 13 1995 20:333
    Just think, for all that you could have had Andy Cole and 5million quid
    left over - I'm beginning to think Utd haven't been so stupid after
    all !
35.1379EXILED BLUESNOFS1::MARSHGRAHAMFri Jan 27 1995 01:2714
    Well it worked last time so for good luck vurse number 2
    
    HERE WE GO HERE WE GO
    SIDE BY SIDE
    AS WE SING ALONG TOGERTHER
    E-V-E-R-T-O-N
    WERE EVERTON AND WE'LL BE EVERTON FOREVER
    
    
    
       F
    
    
    
35.1380Bring on the Toon Army....SIOG::DAWSONWed Feb 01 1995 19:2126
    
    Long time no reply ..but i,m busy closing the clo in dublin .
    
    Everton play their match in hand against Newcastle tonight 
    I,d settle for a point at this stage ..
    
    I will be over at the Norwich match on saturday (Earl Barretts 
    home debut) and will be meeting Watty for a pint or six.
    I will pass on any messages (etc debt notices )to him etc
    
     Joe Royal splashed out $1.7 m on Earl Barrett .I like this
    player and think he will do well with the blues ,it,s an area
    where we were weak .Surely this spells the end to Ablett 
    (any offers will be considered 8-)8-) )
    
    
                Best of luck tonight ,rumour has it that Brett Angell
     is the frontman tonight as Ferguson is suspended and both
    Rideout (the devil) and Barlow (jigsaw) are injured .
    
    
                       Cheers
    
    
                                       Liam
    
35.1381GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu Feb 02 1995 11:2412
    
    Liam,
    
    	sorry to be the bringer of bad news but......Everton held out until
    the 61st minute when....
    
    Earl Barrett got sent off on his debut. Then, in the 62nd minute......
    
    another Everton player got himself sent off.
    
    Newcastle scored 2 in the last 15 minutes to take all the points & drop
    Everton down to 5th from bottom again.
35.1382from the academy of soccer science...FORTY2::JONESNeilThu Feb 02 1995 12:272
    
    2 sending offs and 4 bookings.
35.1383FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Feb 02 1995 15:255
Re .-1, yes, Keegan was quoted saying the same as Roy Evans did after Liverpol 
played Everton. Of course,this could be just the Liverpool mafia 
sticking together!

g
35.1384RTOVC0::DCASSIDYThu Feb 02 1995 15:576
    
    Yeah, but at least Newcastle got a result.....
    
    Talk about inconsistency....
    
    Dezzz.
35.1385Keegan Another MOAN..SIOG::DAWSONThu Feb 02 1995 20:3422
    
    Joe Royle has made no bones about they way Everton have to play (for
    the moment) to get out of where they are .I totally agree with him.
    Everton must survive FIRST and then we can play the sort of flowing
    football that we are famous for .As for last night ,the referee was
    a disgrace (according to ST Joe) and he has never seen the like of it
    in his 30 years in football.Remember Joe Royal is not a moaner like
    some across the park .
    Everton struggled to put out a team last night but were holding
    on in "the fortress" as Keegan likes to call ST james park ,They
    even missed a couple of good chances early on in the game .
    
    The radio 5 commemtator also agreed with Royal about the ref ..
    
    
    
           Roll on saturday against the canaries ...........
    
    
                                        Liam
    
    
35.1386AtshooooooooooooooDRBEN::MPURDYGeordie in Bayern, on missionary work !Fri Feb 03 1995 11:4315
Re: -1

>>Everton struggled to put out a team 

So did Newcastle. Half the team out with Flu and Andy Cole sold to Man U for 7M
(would have been 10M if he didn't have a shin splints problem :-)  )

>> The radio 5 commemtator also agreed with Royal about the ref ..

Must have been Alan "Wot a wonderful stadium to grace the premier league, The
referee is diabolical!!, Ooh I love the sound of my own voice" Green...

He seems to get worse with every game.

Mike
35.1387He's sooooooo funnnnnyyyyy...RTOVC0::DCASSIDYFri Feb 03 1995 15:334
    
    Alan Green...yes he is a little over the top...
    
    Dezzz.
35.1388Anyway that we can !!!!! 3points .SIOG::DAWSONWed Feb 08 1995 15:5727
    
    
    Everton beat Norwich 2-1 but were made to sweat...
    
    Graham Stuart scored on the 44th minute with a lovely tru ball from
    Hincliff ,to split the defence and slide it past the keeper.
    1-0 at half-time but hardly deserved as Norwich had most of the 
    possesion.The Blues started the second-half a lot smarter and 
    Rideout(the devil) made it two-nil in the 66th minute when
    Samways (who was a major influence on the game when he came on
    for the injured Parkinson) rounded the Norwich right-full and
    sent an inch perfect cross to the devil ,waiting at the back-post.
    
    Everton eased off the pedal and it nearly cost them the match ...
    Milligan scored with about 10 minutes to go and after a bit of a 
    scramble The blues hung on for three valuable points ..
    
    
                                 Cheers
    
                                      Liam
    
    p.s. Met Watty and Mrs Watty for a few pints after the match and he was
         asking for you all 
    
    
    
35.1389Stuff the Canaries again ????SIOG::DAWSONWed Feb 15 1995 14:2518
    
    
     A hard earned point in Upton Park against the Happy Hammers
     with TC scoring twice against us but Rideout and Limpar 
     scoring to level ,deservedly,the match .
    
      This point lifted us three places and we are now out of
      relagation zone but only just . 3 points off Villa and
      Arsenal ...
    
      The next league match is against Manu at Goodison and i have
      my plane seat booked along with 60 other blues fans from Ireland.
    
      Norwich at home on saturday in the F.A. cup 
    
    
                                          Liam
     
35.1390Better Than NothingYUPPY::ANDERSONRThey weren't even 2nd to the ballFri Feb 17 1995 15:4351
    
    A few comments, in my brief sortie back into Notes [ Mr 'Fab-Eagle'
    YUPPY::PATEMAN is working me too hard ;-) ] - I was at Upton Park on
    Monday to see my second professional games of the season. It certainly
    beat the first (Gillingham vs. Rochdale) for entertainment value.
    
    Both teams played some half-decent football without ever looking like
    theatening to score too often. Everton should feel a little aggrieved
    that they only went away with 1 point as they had more of a clue than
    West Ham.
    
    Player critiques :
    
    For West Ham
    
    Ludo looked surprisingly solid in goal and handled better than I've ever
    seen him do before.
    
    Moncur showed a few neat touches without ever grabbing control of the
    midfield. Hutchinson & Boere also showed some good close control.
    
    Cottee proved again that given the occasion, he can produce quality.
    
    Dicks looked exactly what he is, an overweight thug lacking in any form
    of finesse.
    
    For Everton
    
    There was no real evidence of an understanding between Rideout and
    drunken Duncan, though I was impressed with Ferguson's close control,
    which for such a big guy is excellent.
    
    Limpar looked a class above the rest when he came on, though he
    apparently has rarely produced the goods for Everton
    
    Watson, for the most part, showed that age is not a barrier to being a
    sound centre-back in the Premiership.
    
    Stewart was industrious, but to little great effect.
    
    Ebbrell, Horne, and Ablett were little more than useless.
    
    The overall impression was of some neat moves (by both sides) let down
    by a lack of incisiveness (Cottee's 1st & Limpar's goals aside) and
    poor final ball.
    
    At #4.50 per goal in an average seat (West Stand), I think I'll save up
    and wait to see a decent team at Wembley next month for my next game
    (March 19th - Anglo-Italian Cup-Final)
    
    Rob
35.1391Toffee,s 5 Canaries 0 ..YES !!!!!SIOG::DAWSONMon Feb 20 1995 15:4318
    
    
     Everton blitzed Norwich on saturday 5-0 with goals from
     Limpar ,Parkinson ,Rideout ,Ferguson and Stuart .
    
     From the reports it could have been more ,,We have a tough
     week ahead with Leeds on wednesday night ,who are bound to
     be smarting over their defeat against United yesterday and
     then We have United at home on saturday ,I would settle
     for two points from these games but with the Blues flying
     high we might just sneak a win or two ....
    
    
                              Cheers
    
    
                                     Liam
    
35.1392Beat the Champs (chumps !!) 1-0 SIOG::DAWSONFri Mar 03 1995 17:5820
    
    
     Beaten by Leeds 1-0 on wednesday (only 7 minutes left )
     but made up for it on saturday by beating the Mancs 1-0 
     with the Big Dunc elevating himself to near Cult status
     on the blue half of merseyside .
    
     I went over on a day trip last saturday and nearly didn,t
     come home after the celebrations ....
    
    
     Leicester  on saturday ,again we have to win it ,I,d settle
     for a 1-0 win ..
    
    
                              Cheers
    
                                      Liam
    
    
35.1393Watty is alive and well.MUGGER::HUGHESSHuw Williams, Solutions Support Group, 851 2686Thu Mar 09 1995 12:2415
    I'm Paul Watterson's cousin, the good looking one. The last I saw of
    him he was forming his own team of blue noses in S.C.U.M. territory
    (rearrange the letters if you haven't seen this one before). Anyway as
    you will probably guessed he especially enjoyed himself 2 Monday's
    ago. :-)
    
    
    Bad result last night, running out of games and we picked up injuries
    before (Hincliffe broke down in training) and Parkinson stretched off.
    But hey look on the bright side Jigsaw scored. 
    
    Forest 2 Everton 1
    
    SImon
    
35.1394Look over your shoulderWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticFri Mar 10 1995 13:4817
    
    RE: -1
    
    Welcome back Si...
    
    Good to hear your unbiased and objective comments regarding football,
    so your at least in the right note :-)
    
    Just remember where you are working, as comments in your note may
    easily offend.
    
    Me, I'll just laugh in your face when your lot go DOWN :-)
    
    
    IM
    
    regards to Watty if you see him again
35.1395Europe here we come!!!!MUGGER::HUGHESSSOLUTIONS SUPPORT GROUPMon Mar 13 1995 12:2412
    YYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    
    Everton  1-0   Toon Army
    Watson 66          Att 35,000 ish
    
    WHAt a result! but we may be without Ferguson for the semi due to
    suspension. The club is appealing against a 4 match ban.
    
    Everton v Spurs semi final draw on april 9th.
    
    
    
35.1396The Dream Spoilers !!!!!!!!!SIOG::DAWSONTue Mar 14 1995 12:0218
    
    The Blue,s stormed to a semi-final place in the F.A. cup on sunday 
    with a 1-0 win over the most-fancied Newcastle.
    
    And now we are out to spoil the "dream cup-final" Spurs Vs Utd 
    according to the papers.
    
    More importantly (and i do mean it ) with have a league game
    with City tomorrow which is a six pointer .If we win we go
    above them .
    Everton are appealing Big Dunc,s proable 4 match suspension 
    for being sent off against Leicester,which was even to neutrals 
    was harsh .
    
    
                    
                                                 Liam
    
35.1397More Spurs bias by the FA ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONJones the SteamWed Mar 15 1995 13:577
    
    	The angelic Duncan lost his appeal against his sending off and
    therefore misses the Cup semi-final. That should guarantee a Spurs-Utd
    final I would say.
    
    Malc.
    
35.1398I'm not one to gossip but..Oh alright I will anywayCHEFS::STRATFORDSGoodbye shorts, hello football!Wed Mar 15 1995 14:1911
    An interesting point came out of Hans Segers arrest yesterday. The
    footage that I saw accompanying the report was that of the last game of
    last season. Could it be that the media are trying to indicate that
    Everton stayed up because Segers took a bribe? 
    
    If it's proven that he did take a bribe and Everton stayed up as a
    consequence, will the FA relegate Everton?
    
    I think we should be told.
    
    Stuart
35.1399Watty's a worried man...PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Mar 15 1995 15:149
    
    I spoke to Paul Watterson last night, and he's worried about Everton
    getting into serious trouble over this. He told me at the time of the 
    Everton v Wombles game there were rumours flying around that the
    Wombles had thrown the game, but nothing ever came of it.
    
    Imagine, losing in the FA Cup semi final, and getting relegated.
    
    Dave... 
35.1400ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEWed Mar 15 1995 15:369
Isn't there a link missing here? I thought the 'thrown games' were to do with 
these Malaysian betting rings, who presumably don't care if Everton stay up or 
not - except they get better odds. Surely Everton could only get into trouble 
if it was proved that they instigated the bribes. And anyway, you've got more 
chance of going down by natural causes I reckon!

[Please insert "alleged" wherever required above]

grahame
35.1401CHEFS::STRATFORDSGoodbye shorts, hello football!Wed Mar 15 1995 15:528
    Grahame
    
    But how would the FA know that Everton weren't behind it?
    
    If there is any doubt about Segers honesty, I think that the FA should
    relegate Everton just to be on the safe side.
    
    Stuart
35.1402curiouser and curiouser....IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely day for a GuinnessWed Mar 15 1995 16:1310
    Didn't Mr Segers make a mess of a situation that led to TGFTITW beating
    them 1-0 recently????
    
    This thing gets worse by the minute....If TGFTITW are bribing keepers
    as well then they should be relegated to the Vauxhall Conference and
    barred from the FA Cup until the year 2000....
    
    8*)		<----
    
    Ray....(no smoke without fire!)
35.1403Ray, couldn't agree more 8^)))CHEFS::STRATFORDSGoodbye shorts, hello football!Wed Mar 15 1995 16:371
    
35.1404Seger's Megadive sticks Toffees in a Jam.YUPPY::OHAGANBShort On the Sleeves Luv!Wed Mar 15 1995 16:537
    The great Everton comeback against Wimbledon was probably not so 
    great after all. I remember being ever so slightly cynical on 
    watching those rather soft goals go in at the time. Ha! I smelt
    a rat then and now the cats out of the bag and it's more fishy
    than Everton's recent salmon-pink away shirt.
    
    barry.
35.1405CHEFS::GEORGEMThe West is the BestWed Mar 15 1995 17:153
<------

More cliches than an Alan Partridge/John Motson Commentary team.
35.1406Conference fanKERNEL::WITHALLGWe Don't Do Duvets .......Wed Mar 15 1995 19:306
    
    We don't want them in the Conference.  Diadora Div 3 South I say.
    Cheating gets.
    
    
    
35.1407A point BLKPUD::HUGHESSnonameThu Mar 16 1995 12:1411
    Everton 1 City 1
    Unsworth	Guadino 
    Att 28ish
    
    Penalty by Unsworth in the 80th minute apparently rescued a point for
    Everton. City were down to 10 men after Phealen was set off after 60
    mins. I'm afraid to say this but the games are running out, and we are
    still well in it. We might not be able to call on a Hans Segers this
    time ;-)
    
    
35.1408KIRKTN::SNEILJ.A.F.OSat Apr 15 1995 02:557
    
    
    Everton 2  Newcastle 0
    
    
    
    
35.1409Danni Ammo does the Biz....SIOG::DAWSONTue Apr 18 1995 13:0020
    
    Everton continued their good run when they outplayed Newcastle
    on (very) good friday .Two goals from Danni Ammo ,four in a week,
    ensured three valuable points for the Blues ..
    Not much comment in this file about the Blues destruction of Spurs
    in the semi-final of the F.A. cup but there you go !!!!
    
    
    I know where I,ll be on the 20th may (he he he ).
    
    
    A valuable point away against Sheffield Wednesday yesterday keeps 
    our head above water but only just..
    
    
                                Cheers
    
    
                                        Liam
    
35.1410Everton for the cupWOTVAX::NEARYMVINI..VIDI..VICITue Apr 25 1995 21:0512
    Hey 
    Where is our Watty, who has got all the tickets for the final, I 
    estimate the score to be.
    
    	Everton 1     Man u 0
    
    If anyone gets any tickets they don't want let us know.
    
    Cheers
    
    Mick.
    
35.1411LEMAN::SIMPSONStephen Simpson@GEO, DTN:821 5105Wed Apr 26 1995 17:187
It had better be a better match than the last final between these clubs
- was it really 10 years ago?! 

Moran sent off, then that inch-perfect curling left footer from Whiteside. 
United then sat back and defended until the final whistle.

-Steve
35.1412Relagation (the impossible nightmare )SIOG::DAWSONMon May 08 1995 15:2421
    
    
    Three points from three home games just isint good enough !!!
    
    Everton have done it to me again ,just when we thought we would 
    pull away we are dropped right in it again .
    
    Ipswich tomorrow night and we really are fighting for our
    survival .I have my ticket for Wembley and my flight booked 
    but certainly wont enjoy it if we are relegated .
    
    I thought after last year that we would never be in this situation
    again but there you go ..
    
     Come on you blues dont scare the s$%^ out me like this ...
    
    
    
                              Liam
    
    
35.1413Wembley wembley !!!!SIOG::DAWSONWed May 10 1995 21:3917
    
    
    A hard earned three points was won at Ipswich ..to make Everton
    safe from relegation .
    
    Ipswich had the better chances but the revitalised Big Nev 
    saved the blues again earning himself man-of-the-match .
    
    Rideout scored in the 49th minute but it was really hard work to
    hang on .BUT WHO CARES NOW ..
    
    
     WEMBERLEY WEMBERLEY ..TELL ME MA ,ME MA ,I DONT WONT NO TEA ,NO TEA ..
    
    
                                  LIAM
    
35.1414Going down....WSTENG::DSMITHThu May 11 1995 02:5611
    
    
     Duncan Ferguson has been found guilty of assault following his court
    case in Glasgow today. He has to return on May 25th for sentence. Given
    that he already has 4 previous convictions for assualt, the last one
    earning him 1 years probation, the big chappie could well be paying
    an extended visit to Her Majestys Prison at Barlinnie. The maximum
    sentence for his case is 3 months inside, could be the end of a
    promising career.
    
     Danny.
35.1415Wakey Wakey its MondayJGODCL::SHERLOCKStop actin' t'goatMon May 22 1995 14:459
    
    
    Bl..dy Hell, I thought this topic would be choc a bloc this morning..
    I reckon everyone must be sleeping off the aftermatch binge...
    
    Well done Everton
    
    
    Tim (LUFC)
35.1416XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon May 22 1995 15:5413
Re -1

Ditto.  I think Everton deserved to win.  MUFC, except for a few half chances,
were the second best team on the day.  The double is infamously hard to
achieve, as many teams can attest to.  Last year's MUFC experience maybe
gave their fans a false impression of how difficult it really is to do.

Nowadays, everyone is out to beat them and it shows both in the way 
they themselves are playing and in how opponents approach them.

Everton did the ABU club proud on Saturday.  Long may it continue :-).

                         James.
35.1417XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue May 23 1995 22:293
Is it true:

Collymore to Everton for 9.5 million?
35.1418Talk about over-rated!!!!!VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Wed May 24 1995 13:085
35.1419star manCOMICS::HAWLEYIThe MANCS trophy cabinet is empty!Wed May 24 1995 13:146
    
    ...and Forest have turned it down saying the price is 8.5 million.
    
    I hope Liverpool get him as a replacement for Rush.
    
    Ian.
35.1420I would be very surprised if he did sign....FORTY2::JONESNeilWed May 24 1995 13:5120
    
    The way I see it is like this.
    
    Stan's playing at a good Premiership side, they came 3rd in the league
    this season. They are also playing in Europe next season and he must be
    on pretty good wages.
    
    His main reasons for moving probably are, better location, better club, 
    better wages and better prospects. Most good players opt for
    Italy/Spain for these reasons.
    
    I reckon Stan won't move to Everton because it won't be better than
    Forest and won't further his career that much. I reckon he really wants
    Newcastle or Man Utd or Blackburn or Liverpool or Spurs or Arsenal. 
    Alternatively he may just head for Italy although I think most Italian 
    clubs would not pay the price tag. I mean AC Milan payed 5 million for 
    Weah and he must be a better buy? Stan's not worth 3.5 to 5 million
    more.
    
    Neil
35.1421YUPPY::PANESShe tastes like the real thingWed May 24 1995 13:5610

Stanley is a Midlands boy ( he said he couldn't settle in London ), so 
that's one excuse he can't use for moving from Forest. 

I couln'd see too many defences being overjoyful at the prospect of
facing an attack featuring Colleymore and Duncan Disorderly. Come to think of
it, I can't see too many bars/pubs/clubs looking forward to it either.

Stuart
35.1422From the 'net, don't blame me if it's wrong!!!VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Wed May 24 1995 19:554
35.1423Really .....??!!??SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsWed May 24 1995 20:136
    Can anyone confirm this ??
    
    I don't trust these Celtic types :-)
    
    
    Ian.
35.1424we'll find out tonight...FORTY2::JONESNeilWed May 24 1995 21:149
    
    A bit quick eh? If its true then Forest must have rung around and said
    "do I hear any advances on 9.5 million?" and got a resounding silence
    from the other clubs.
    
    Or is this another of Choppers' "Mark Hughes signs for Everton" 
    bulletins?
    
    Neil
35.14259.5 million would buy a half decent team.MASALA::DROONEYLifes a beachThu May 25 1995 02:3710
    
    Surely not.....
    
    If Collymore is worth 9.5 million pounds at today`s prices what
    price would Alan Shearer be?
    
    It`s out of hand...
    
    Davie.
    
35.1426Bloomin' internet!!!!VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Thu May 25 1995 12:484
    
    Sorry about that, I don't think it's true!
    
    Choppers
35.1427watch yer bum duncVYGER::THOMSONRThu May 25 1995 17:474
    
    Just heard that big dunc has just got 3 months.
    
    rab.
35.1428MASALA::GPIKELinlithgow Rose (magic team)Fri May 26 1995 02:453
    
    
    But he's been released on appeal.
35.1429VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Jun 01 1995 12:549
    One transfer deal that the Italian press have been hinting about this
    week is a swap between Everton and Inter regarding Amokachi and
    Bergkamp. It may sound unlikely, but both players have failed miserably
    for their respective clubs (Bergkamp even more than Amokachi) and might
    benefit from a total change of environment.
    
    Then again, Bergkamp's also been connected with Arsenal...
    
    Dom
35.1430Didn,t we have a lovely day ,the day we went toSIOG::DAWSONFri Jun 02 1995 17:0721
    
    
    Not much about Wembley in here ,I,ve just got a chance now to
    enter this note ,I presume most people saw the match so i 
    wont give a match report ,,suffice to say it was one of the 
    best days of my life for sheer pain and pleasure !!!
    
    The pain being the 3-hour second-half which the Mancs threatened
    to score every time they got into our half ..
    The pleasure being that they failed in the above and The blues won
    the cup ..
    
    We stayed in wembley until nearly six o clock ,singing and dancing
    and it,s still hitting me even today ,that after what was a disaster
    of a season three weeks ago ,We stayed up and won the cup ..
    
    Remember 83 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
                                         Liam
    
35.1431TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeFri Jun 02 1995 17:255
    
    	Liam, I'd have thought you Evertonfanswould have more reason to
    	remember  84. 8-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1432XSTACY::FUNBOX::jLuNdOnhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jun 02 1995 22:005
Re: last few

83?

84?
35.1433ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Fri Jun 02 1995 22:097
For the record:

1983	Man Utd V Brighton

1984	Everton v Watford

statto
35.1434TRUCKS::SANTGo on, give it one more turn....Mon Jun 05 1995 17:3810
    
    	James, '84 saw the return of H.Kendall to Goodison (ie. past player
    	and favourite). Everton recovered from a poor league position, won
    	the cup, and went on the dominate English football for about 3
    	seasons.
    
    	I think Liam was suggesting many parallels with the current
    	situation at Goodison...except he got the year wrong! 8-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1435shurely shome mishtake?COMICS::HAWLEYIAnybody except Stuart StratfordMon Jun 05 1995 17:417
    
    > and went on the dominate English football for about 3 seasons.
    
    They put up a reasonable challenge to the mighty Liverpool, but
    "dominated English football"???
    
    Ian.
35.1436TRUCKS::SANTGo on, give it one more turn....Mon Jun 05 1995 17:459
    
    	err, League champions in 85 and 87, Runners-up 86 (to Liverpool), 
    	ECWC winners 85, losing FA cup finalists in 86 (and 89, both to 
    	Liverpool..).
    
    	That takes some beating, Ian. even Cunno couldn't match that lot
    	;-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1437I went past Amport last nightCOMICS::HAWLEYIAnybody except Stuart StratfordMon Jun 05 1995 17:515
    
    What I meant was, they weren't THE dominant force, they just shared 
    Liverpool's dominance.
    
    Ian.
35.1438EVERTON EUROPEAN CUP challenge deniedMUGGER::HUGHESSSOLUTIONS SUPPORT GROUPMon Jun 05 1995 19:123
    Of course We would have been more dominant but for Heysel.........
    
    Simon
35.1439At the hands of Liverpool FCCHEFS::RUANEVMon Jun 05 1995 20:515
    Yes, and everyone seems to have forgotten that!
    
    We'll never know what could have been.
    
    Vincent.
35.1440phew!!TRUCKS::SANTGo on, give it one more turn....Tue Jun 06 1995 18:226
    
    	> -< I went past Amport last night >-
    
    	Good decision, Ian. ;-) ;-)
    
    	Andy.
35.1441Everton ... No thank You!MUGGER::HUGHESSWed Jun 21 1995 14:439
    Turned down by the overpriced Collymore.... Yippee
    
    Turned down by the overrated Armstrong...	double yippee.
    
    When are everton going to conduct a transfer anywhere other than the
    back pages of the tabloids.
    
    Simon
     
35.14422 seasons in the relegation zone FORTY2::JONESNeilWed Jun 21 1995 15:1421
    
    Everton did a rebuilding job last season. Mike Walker did something,
    not sure whether it was good or bad, and Joe Royle got the results.
    
    However prior to the Cup Semi Final the overall performance was below
    what you would expect from an Everton side. At this point not too many
    players would consider signing for Everton if the choice was
    Blackburn/Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal/Spurs etc.
    
    After winning the FA Cup the Everton chairman got very upbeat and said
    that Everton were going places and the money was there if it was
    needed. The trouble is/was that the Premier position of relegation
    struggler still stops your Collymore/Armstrong/Saunders etc from 
    considering the club. "The last two seasons were a struggle, will the 
    side struggle this season if I sign for them?"
    
    I expect the toffees to now enter a contest with Forest for the
    "young-player with prospects for the last 5 years" Kevin Campbell.
    Or they could offer 8.5 million for a top-class European player.
    
    Neil
35.1443delayed but hereWOTVAX::NEARYMVINI..VIDI..VICIWed Jun 21 1995 15:1537
    Hi 
    
    
    I've just looked at the notes about Everton cheating??? and could not
    understand how people who obviously watch football week in week out!!
    could even think such a thing.
    
    Come on lets face it if there is anyone cheating in football just now
    it has to be Man.U.,  how could they not give the goal scored at old
    trafford for Blackburn which would have made it 1-1, this alone would
    have won the league for Blackburn, to add to that the return leg at 
    Blackburn send off a Blackburn player!! when the home side were one up,
    give Man.U. a penalty that never was!!!! that got them back in a  game
    that  Blackburn had won, and they then went on to loose 4-2.
                             I watch football week in and week out and some
    of the decisions made in Man.U. favour last season makes you think that
    either they are the luckiest team ever to don a football kit or they
    cheat and purchase refs.
                          Anyway lets face it money can get you anything in
    football,  for one and a half million you can bye a few points ask Alan
    Sugar, on the other hand you need the big clubs with the big money in
    the British game, otherwise all our good players will be playing in
    Italy, and could you imagen what our national game would be like then.
    
    Everton 1   Man.United 0    
    
    
    the stuff dreams are made of, if you want to know what typifies a
    Man.U. fan, when Everton had beaten them I went outside and next
    doors lad leans out of his window and said you didn't deserve it,
    very sporting.
    
    Mick.
                                      
    
    
    
35.1444FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontWed Jun 21 1995 15:4411
Neil,

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Villa are having the same
problems signing decent players after the catastrophic 94-95 season. We've
missed (or are missing) out in the Bergkamp, Ferdinand, and Draper transfer
deals. We agreed terms with the respective clubs for both Bergkamp and Ferdinand
but were turned down by the players themselves. Draper wants to go to a big club
with some chance of success (which, ironically, we would probably have if we
could sign some players).

Mike
35.1445CHEFS::STRATFORDSBilly No MatesWed Jun 21 1995 15:4912
    Mike,
    
    Is Draper acually up for sale? There seems to have been a hell of a lot
    of newspaper talk about him for the last 2 years but nobody has
    actually put an offer in. Does this mean that people in the game don't
    actually rate him or have Leicester put a hands-off notice out to other
    clubs. I recall "Judas" McGhee (as he is otherwise known as to our
    Reading correspondents) saying that Draper was going to stay at
    Leicester for at least another year as they believe that they will be
    promoted again at the end of 1995/6 season.
    
    Stuart
35.1446more on the Villa/Everton effect...FORTY2::JONESNeilWed Jun 21 1995 16:0013
    
    I remember what Dean Saunders quouted BFR as saying when he (Saunders)
    signed for Villa.
    
    Deano: "Give me a good reason why I should sign for Villa"
    BFR:   "Do you want to play for the greatest team in the land and win 
     	    trophies and medals?
    
    	   <dramatic pause>
    
    	   "Or do you want to play for Villa?"
    
    Neil
35.1447FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontWed Jun 21 1995 16:087
Stuart,

Maybe that is the case I was under the impression that he was off to Trafford,
but I could be wrong. I thought he had a clause in his contract that meant he
could move if Leicester got relegated.

Mike
35.1448pleassssssseeMUGGER::HUGHESSTue Jul 11 1995 13:352
    Please Mr Royle, Buy Kanchelskis, He's a match winner.
    
35.1449MOJO,beardo,cottee,= SHORTMUGGER::HUGHESSTue Jul 18 1995 15:084
    Everton are finally catching up in the height league by signing 
    6ft 3 Craig Short in exchange for 2.4m and Gary Rowett.
    
    Andy Hinchcliffe will have someone else to aim at when Duncs in jail.
35.1450Craig ShortAYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm not long for this worldTue Jul 18 1995 15:143
    
    	Never heard of him. Doesn't sound like he's very aptly named ...
    
35.1451MUGGER::HUGHESSTue Jul 18 1995 20:341
    He is going fit in well with the rest of the DOGS of WAR.
35.1452Where is all this money coming from ?AYOV29::MTHEODORESONDeath to all snarfersFri Jul 21 1995 12:5310
    
    On t'radio this morning :
    
    	Andrei Kansquiggle will sign for Everton today for five million
    poonds, give or take tuppence ha'penny.
    
    The world and his dog has gone mad.
    
    Malc.
    
35.1453FORTY2::FOWLERMKylie fan clubFri Jul 21 1995 14:316
In today's market, 5 mill is nowt for a player of Kancehlskis' stature. 

Think of it as paying 5 million to dent the Mancs championship hopes, and you're
getting a fantastic player into the bargain.

Mike
35.1454I still think it's a lot of oojah ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONDeath to all snarfersFri Jul 21 1995 14:345
    
    > paying 5 million to dent the Mancs championship hopes
    
    Good point.
    
35.1455I welcome you with beetroot soup AndreiMUGGER::HUGHESSFri Jul 21 1995 17:519
    YAAAHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    
    What a signing, Without doubt KANkan was one of Utd most potent
    players, one of the quickest, direct and most execiting players in the
    premiership. Everton, now, I hope can build on last seasons recovery.
    
    But we still might need a keeper.
    
    Simon 
35.1456FORTY2::FOWLERMKylie fan clubFri Jul 21 1995 18:126
I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken about your new signing. 

According to a lunchtime interview with Dave Edwards, well known objective
historian, Kanchelskis has always been rubbish and all the Manc fans knew it. 8-)

Mike
35.1457Kan KAn has PACEMUGGER::HUGHESSFri Jul 21 1995 19:213
    Its funny that. I was also speaking to a Utd fan who said KanKan was
    crap and not very skilful. Sour grapes?
    
35.1458CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthFri Jul 21 1995 20:017
    >Sour Grapes?
    
    nope. recognition of the fact that he was playing in a half decent side
    who made him look good when in fact he was extremely talentless.
    
    hth
    stuart
35.1459YUPPY::PANESa nose by any other nameFri Jul 21 1995 20:1525
RE KanKan


I have to have a grudging respect for the Mancs for being able to 
get loads of dosh for, what I believe to be a better than average player.

Lets consider the evidence .... whats does the mercurial chappy have..

1/ He's nippy - no argument there.

2/ His name scores 37 points in Scrabble.

3/ He  appears to have a suspect attitude.

4/ He has a hard but not always accurate shot.

5/ His crosses are invariably just fired in low ( meat and drink to
   the French Thug and The Bruising Boyo).


Having said that , will Royle pick him and Limper(sic)? If they get
it right , I for one wouldn't like to play against His Drunkenness when
he is frequently receiving good service. 

Stuart
35.1460Bored....CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Jul 21 1995 20:246
    Re :-1 A fair assessment of KanKan - imo, an exciting player on his day,
    but he will rely totally on good service from midfield.    
    
    BTW - 37 points is a pretty poor score for a word containing 2 "K"s. 
    Are you sure you haven't forgotten any double-word or triple-letter
    squares ?
35.1461YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHknackered kneeFri Jul 21 1995 20:344
    He also scores a fair amount of goals for a winger - he must of been
    one of United's top scorers last year.
    
    Andy
35.1462FORTY2::JONESNeilFri Jul 21 1995 20:347
    
    What attitude problem?
    
    He wants to play first team football and he doesn't get on well
    with Alex Fergusson. Sounds like a good attitude to me. :-)
    
    Neil
35.1463First trophy of the season ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONIt's grim up northMon Aug 14 1995 20:268
    
    For the sake of neatness (if nothing else) :
    
    	FA Charidee Shield
    
    	Everton			1	Blackburn Rovers		0
    	Samways
    
35.1464Singing the Blues !!!!!SIOG::DAWSONMon Aug 28 1995 13:0334
    
    
    Hello there (is their anyone out there )
    It,s been a long time since i posted a note here and yet alot 
    has happened with the blues recently ..
    Everton have decided to sponsor a league of Ireland here in 
    dublin ,In a totally new development for irish soccer Everton
    will pay between $60k-$80k to Home Farm anually ,who are one of the
    oldest teams(history wise)in Ireland .In turn HomeFarm,s first
    team ,in div 1 (2nd highest league in Ireland) will wear the
    Everton Jersey with a homefarm crest along with everton,s crest
    Also instead of DANKA on the front it will have EVERTON on the front.
    All homefarms other teams will were their traditional blue and white
    hoops with Everton emblazened across the front.We should see a lot more
    Irish youths going for trials with the Blues now .Everton are denying
    that it,s a nursery team set up ,but it looks like it to me .
    
    We had a brilliant time at Wembley ,one of the best days in soccer 
    i,ve had .Beat Blackburn in a dull charity shield .
    Everton have a reasonable start in the league as well
    Drawing 0-0 with chelsea away ,Beaten 2-0 by the Arse at home(blaghhh)
    and on saturday beating Southampton 2-0 with goals from Limpar and 
    Amocachi .10th in the league after 3 matchs and it,s a nice change
    to be looking at the middle of the table after the last few seasons.
    
    
                          Cheers
    
    
                                      Liam
    
    p..s Man city on wednesday night ,We owe them for the drubbing they
         gave us last year (0-0 at half time ,4-0 at full time )
    
35.1465RTOVC0::DCASSIDYTue Aug 29 1995 13:354
    
    Interesting news that...the ultimate farm team ...
    
    Dezzz.
35.1466CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Aug 29 1995 13:588
    re -2
    
    >Also instead of DANKA on the front
    
    Is this Evertons sponsor? If so, has Dunc the Drunk had his
    personalised yet?
    
    Stuart
35.1467VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri Sep 29 1995 16:005
    Anyone know the full details of the Everton game last night? I heard
    the score, but that's all. Certainly, Everton must be a bit worried
    about conceding 3 goals over the two legs to a team from Iceland.
    
    Dom
35.1468Not great newsWOTVAX::HARDYPFri Sep 29 1995 18:1217
    Dom,
    
    Today's news is focusing on Daniel Amacahi (sp?) who was taken to
    hospital after a clash of heads. He was semi-conscious when taken off
    and moved to a local hospital before being transferred to a
    neurological unit.
    
    There has been little solid news that I've heard on the local media but
    he is still in hospital. I get the impression that it's not serious but
    he's had scans and I guess they are taking no chances.
    
    The challenge looked fair and I'm sure everyone wishes the guy a quick
    and full recovery.
    
    btw Everton were 1-0 down, but seemed to come back based on fitness.
    
    Peter 
35.1469Feyenoord'll be tougher...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri Sep 29 1995 18:397
    Thanks a lot, Peter.
    
    So is Amocachi (my spelling's no more reliable than yours!) back in the
    team, then? Considering how solid he looks, I can't believe he came off
    worst ;-)
    
    Dom
35.1470DoubtfulWOTVAX::HARDYPFri Sep 29 1995 19:4214
    Dom,
    
    I believe he's still in hospital so will probably miss the game on
    Sunday. On the other hand if there is no real damage he might make the
    game on Sunday. I don't know what the very latest news is.
    
    The challenge didn't look too bad but he was hit square on the temple.
    he didn't look too bad at first (didn't fall like he was already
    unconscious) but just lay on the ground eyes closed. It looked worse
    after one minute than after one second.
    
    If no one else posts an update, I'll do one on Monday.
    
    Peter
35.1471CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 12 1995 12:419
    I'm surprised there's no mention in here of the outcome of Dunc the
    Drunk's appeal yesterday.  For those of you who don't know, he is now
    probably tucking into to a nice healthy bowl of porridge courtesy of
    Her Majesty's Prison Service.  I believe he got 3 months, but the
    reports didn't indicate whether the sentence was for head-butting a
    player or for indecent exposure following his goal against ManU last
    season !
    
    
35.1472TUXEDO::HINXMANLet's all laugh for a momentThu Oct 12 1995 17:3410
	re .1471

>    reports didn't indicate whether the sentence was for head-butting a
>    player 

	According to BBC WS the sentence was for assault - the first time
	a professional player has been convicted for such conduct on the
	pitch?

	Tony
35.1473DiscussCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 12 1995 17:4211
    This raises an interesting point. Are players tackles now going to
    scrutinised in the same manner? 
    
    For instance, if a players career is ended and a complaint is made to 
    the Police by either the recipient of the tackle or a supporter at the 
    game, and given that this must be investigated, will the case end up in
    Court? Up until now, cases of this sort, i.e. Paul Elliott, have been
    dealt with by the Civil Courts but Criminal Prosecutions cannot be that
    far away.
    
    Stuart 
35.1474Some BackgroundMOVIES::MCATEERPaul McAteerThu Oct 12 1995 17:5413
It's worth pointing out that DF has not just been jailed for a head butt on 
another player. It has to do with his previous criminal record.
Previosly he had been charged with two assault offences in Scotland. At the 
time of the second offence the judge warned him that should he appear in court
again within (I can't remember how long) he *would* receive a custodial sentence.

This should be borne in mind when discussing this case. 

As far as the head butt is concerned, there didn't seem much in it but his previous
record plus a well publicised rugby player's similar offence (he took a flying
lunge at another player, knocked him unconcious and broke his jaw. When he was
sentenced to a year he said something like ..this is because I'm not worth 4 million
and don't play for Rangers.) seems to have been against him.
35.1475mayb!IOSG::LAYNEMon Oct 16 1995 15:284
    Continuning from the previous note, I think "NEWS AT 10" reported he
    was still on probation or some such term when the incident happened.
    
    William
35.1476Result??IOSG::LAYNEFri Oct 20 1995 13:113
    Didn't Everton play last night?  Does anyone know the result?
    
    William
35.14770-0YUPPY::PANESAn honest face and a stupid hairstyleFri Oct 20 1995 13:120
35.1478VNA03::HERIBERTFri Oct 20 1995 13:121
Everton - Feyenoord 	0:0
35.1479bring back WattyWOTVAX::NEARYMwigan_ladThu Apr 11 1996 14:198
    Hey
    
    
    Is there any Everton supporters out there, since paul waterson there
    seems to be very little activity in here.
    
    
    the blues for europe.
35.1480NoCHEFS::16.39.224.125::MadYou'd do it for Randolf ScottMon Sep 30 1996 17:487
35.1481New kid on the block.ILOV02::PLYNCHWed Oct 30 1996 16:304
35.1482going,going........CHEFS::16.37.10.41::MadAaarrr,ye lily-livered scurvy dogWed Jan 29 1997 17:3616
Off Irn

Italian giants Fiorentina are debating whether to increase their 6 
     million pound offer for Andrei Kanchelskis.

     Everton are believed to be holding out for closer to 8 million for 
     their Russian winger.

     But Fiorentina are anxious to bolster their squad before the Italian 
     transfer deadline on Saturday. 

     Everton splashed out #5.5 million to bring him from Manchester 
     United two summers ago, but his displays this season have been very 
     disappointing.

35.1483DUNCAN FERGUSONVYGER::CRICHTONWTue Feb 11 1997 08:391
    
35.1484DUNCAN FERGUSONVYGER::CRICHTONWTue Feb 11 1997 08:4712
    This is my second try at getting this right. I am just wondering if
    anybody can help get any info eg, photos, magazine articles etc. It is
    quite hard up in Ayr to get these things. I know there is a fanzine
    called the evertonian and also it would be easier for someone in
    Liverpool to get a hold of programmes. I will reimburse any costs you
    may incurr while doing this. Please reply by mail if anybody out there
    can help.
    
                       hopefully,
                                 Wendy
    
       
35.1485Ayr ?....EASY !PATE::POUNDERTue Feb 11 1997 17:409
    
    Wendy,
    	Why not give Strathclyde Police a call...apparently they have some
    excellent photographs of big Duncan Disorderly !  %^}
    
    ...oh...and some "articles" too !
    
    HTH
    Trevor
35.1486VYGER::BONEMI am the seed!Tue Feb 11 1997 23:415
    Wendy, why do you want these, I could help if you get in touch.
    see me when your next on shift.
    
    
    Martin
35.1487REOELF::EDWARDSSWed Feb 12 1997 14:337
    Can anyone tell me how many goals Duncan Ferguson has scored, in how
    many games, since joining Everton.
    
    Much obliged.
    
    Tony
    
35.1488You are asking for trouble!!VYGER::CRICHTONWSat Feb 15 1997 14:5513
    re-1485
    
    Trevor,
    
           i couldnt help but notice that you often enter replys to the old
    firm pages. Could it be possible that you are a bit biast towards
    Duncan Ferguson because he once played and will once again for Glasgow
    Rangers. 
    
    
                       regs,
                              Wendy
    
35.1489Honest I support EvertonPATE::POUNDERMon Feb 17 1997 19:3618
    
    I'm not "biast"....I'm bigoted...please don't confuse the two.
    Asking for trouble eh?  Exactly what shape or form might this come in ?
    
    I reply in lots of pages, but given my team of choice is Celtic then
    yes....of course I reply there too. What's the relevance Wendy ?
    
    Given that you are accusing me of being biased (thats how you spell it
    incidently)...I can only assume that you are exactly that, biased, or
    you wouldn't have spent the time to tell me that I am !
    
    To clarify my response....I DID give a smiley thing %^} in there as I
    was giving you a tongue-in-cheek response to your photograph request.
    .....Strathclyde police....Fergusons many arrests....time in jail...
    ....you following me yet ?
    
    Hope this helps
    Trevor 
35.1490REOELF::EDWARDSSMon Feb 17 1997 19:423
    Oooooo, coo-ee ducky, aren't we in a tiss.
    
    Tony
35.1491Me? in a Tiss ? never !PATE::POUNDERMon Feb 17 1997 20:206
    
    re-1
    
    Eh ?  Not me mister....Wendy seems to be though....
    
    Trevor
35.1492Trevor..............Calm downVYGER::CRICHTONWTue Feb 18 1997 00:2213
    Trevor,
    
    Dont think i was being ignorant towards you. Its just in here all the
    Celtic supporters think Duncan Ferguson is a d##k and the Rangers
    supporters think he is a quality player. As for me, i am most certainly
    not biased(thanks for the spelling tip) i like both old firm teams. I
    was at Parkhead last week and was a few inches away from Peter Grant
    and found myself speechless when he spoke to me. By the way Craig Sloan
    says hi to you. So now i hope its all cleared up. I can be botherd
    arguing on screen, i am not very good at it.
    
    
                        Wendy
35.1493Didn't say you were ignorant !PATE::POUNDERTue Feb 18 1997 01:2119
    
    Actually Wendy, for what it's worth I rate Ferguson very highly. I was
    not amused when Rangers signed him from Dundee Utd as I thought they
    were getting a good player !  Unfortunately for him, he showed some
    very immature behaviour and Rangers never really saw what he was
    capable of doing consistently.
    
    Best thing he did was his move to Everton. Away from the Glasgow
    influence (must be terrible for players living there) and now under a
    strong, supportive manager.
    
    I'm sure the Everton fans will echo my thoughts on him being a very
    good striker with a great heading ability....not a slouch on the ground
    either. 
    
    But....he's still a hun so I can't be too high in my praise for him !
    Also, he keeps pidgeons....I ask you....humph !
    
    Trevor
35.1494REOELF::EDWARDSSTue Feb 18 1997 13:517
    Well, I think he's over-rated. He's a centre-half playing up front for
    my money.
    
    What's his goals/games ratio? Pretty crappy I would imagine.
    
    Tony
    
35.1495Tell us allPATE::POUNDERTue Feb 18 1997 21:128
    
    Don't know his ratio.....since you bring it up...why don't you find out
    and do a comparison with other strikers...leave out Shearer, he screws
    up the averages !
    
    We eagerly await your response
    
    Trevor....PS, a centre half he AINT !!!!  Ever seen him try to tackle ?
35.1496REOELF::EDWARDSSWed Feb 19 1997 12:594
    Alright, a *bad* centre-half then.
    
    Tony
    
35.1497E'Brill............er?CHEFS::16.43.128.229::MadAre you suggesting coconuts migrate ?Wed Feb 26 1997 18:254
SKY has said that Ebrell has gone to Sheff Utd for 1M


Mad
35.1498DUNCANS STATSVYGER::CRICHTONWSat Mar 15 1997 01:4310
    RE::1494
    
    
    I am not sure how many games but 12 goals in total so far,
    remeber though he has been out alot due to injury and what have you or
    this would have been most likely doubled.
    
    
    Wendy
    
35.1499Never fit !PATE::POUNDERTue Mar 18 1997 01:214
    
    Big D is ALWAYS injured......check his record.
    
    Trevor
35.1500I thought it was player transfer day, not managers!CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 27 1997 19:2710
    Hot off the IRN press.....
    
    
           Its just been announced that the manager of Everton football
           club, Joe Royle has quit. 
          
           The former centre-forward left by mutual consent, and was hailed
           as a hero for keeping the team in the Premiership. 
    
    
35.1501IRNBRU::HOWARDShower me with sugar lumpsTue Apr 01 1997 16:093
    Dave Watson is the new caretaker boss until the end of the season....
    
    Ray....
35.1502BIG DUNCANVYGER::CRICHTONWFri Apr 18 1997 00:421
    All i can say is what a goal!!!!
35.1503Not bad....PATE::POUNDERFri Apr 18 1997 00:504
    
    Don't feel inadequate...some people can't even say 3 words  %^)
    
    Trevor
35.1504Klinnsman diving in the dugoutCHEFS::16.43.128.221::MadBlasphemer !!!!!!Tue Apr 29 1997 18:1234
35.1505BOG OFF EVERTON HE STAYS!!!CHEFS::MANSELLNWed Jun 04 1997 18:285
    
    Suggest Everton fans read 600.129 in the Leicester Notes.
    
    Ever so smug City fan.
    
35.1506CHEFS::CROSSAPunks jump up to get beat downWed Jun 04 1997 19:092
35.1507Can Everton be serious?MILE::JENKINSThu Jun 05 1997 17:546
    
    ....if it had been a "bung" GG would have gone. It was the thought of
    having to spend it on something other than defenders (or himself) that
    really turned him off.
    
    Richard.