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19.1 | Rostock and St.Pauli | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Aug 12 1991 15:05 | 55 |
19.2 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Wed Aug 14 1991 14:01 | 19 |
19.3 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Thu Aug 15 1991 12:48 | 47 |
19.4 | Same c*** different season ! | CURRNT::PAGED | The Sultan Of Wobble | Thu Aug 15 1991 16:37 | 1 |
| Another goal for Bayern in the 90th minute !!! How unusual 8-)
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19.5 | | ASKFOR::HAIGH | There's nowt queerer than folk. | Mon Aug 19 1991 13:31 | 22 |
| >Same c*** different season !
No way Pagey, this is an excellent start. German cup results from
Saturday, well the main one anyway :-)
Bayern 2 FC Homburg 4 (after extra time).
Homburg are 2nd division south.
As for Rostock? Makes a bit of a nonsense only letting 2 of the East
German league into the Bundesliga 1. Still I suppose there's plenty of
time yet...... One of the Bayern management said after Rostocks win,
that they won't drop any more points at home this season, (or something
along those lines), can't wait to hear what they have to say after the
NEXT home game. This will be Heynkiss last year at B.M. I reckon.
Steve
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19.6 | | RTODWT::DCASSIDY | | Mon Aug 19 1991 13:56 | 7 |
|
Apparently Steve, Heynkes is out if they don't beat Schalke tomorrow
and get at least a draw against Dresden..Hoeness's face was a sight
after the game.....I think the shiney happy people in Munich these days
are wearing blue and white !!!!!
Dezzz.
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19.7 | Bundesliga zwei, Bayern ist fast dabei | CURRNT::PAGED | Gorby does it without authority | Mon Aug 19 1991 14:06 | 3 |
| Lets not get hysterical gents. Bayern have shown a radical improvement
in their cup form this season. Just remember who put them out last
year !!
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19.8 | Is this the best? | RTOEU::TRAYNER | | Mon Aug 19 1991 17:43 | 10 |
|
Re. last two,
I can quite believe Heynkes will go after the mid-week game...I dont think I
have ever seen a professional team play so badly as Bayern on Saturday...They
gave away possesion continuosly, were incapable of taking chances (with the
exception of Menzinho (sp?)), but worst of all, just like end of last season,
they showed NO determination to win....
Tony, who_hopes_cork_stuff_them_in_europe!
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19.9 | | CURRNT::PAGED | Yeltsin does it with the Proleteriat | Mon Aug 19 1991 19:40 | 2 |
| What makes Saturday so exceptional then Tony ? Everything they have
won over the past 4 seasons has been a complete fluke !!
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19.10 | Saaaaaaankt Pau - li | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Sep 16 1991 12:36 | 51 |
19.11 | Now on Sky | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Mon Sep 16 1991 12:50 | 6 |
| Sky TV is now broadcasting a German game live on Friday night, the
first one was Rostock - Karlsruher, both from the old east I think.
There were plenty of long range shots, the winner from Karlsuher was
excellent, 10 yards outside the box !
jb.
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19.12 | Order of Results ?? | UNTADA::BIRSE | C'mon ra 'D' | Mon Sep 16 1991 12:55 | 6 |
| Can someone explain the reasoning behind the way the results are
presented on television. It's not alphabetic or by league position.
I can only assume it may be Toto related. Is this correct ??
P.S. Karlsruhe are not from the former DDR, the city lies a bit further
West than Stuttgart...
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19.13 | confused me n'all | CURRNT::PAGED | What was it? Damn,I forgot to get a job | Mon Sep 16 1991 13:49 | 6 |
| I think they show points for and points against: For example
P W D L Pts
Bayern Munchen 10 0 0 10 0:20
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19.14 | Got that bit.... | UNTADH::BIRSE | C'mon ra 'D' | Mon Sep 16 1991 14:13 | 2 |
| Yes, I understand that, what confuses me is the order in which they
show the results on a given day....
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19.15 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Sep 16 1991 14:41 | 4 |
|
What if there simply were no order ??
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19.16 | | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Aperralunis..... | Mon Sep 16 1991 14:50 | 5 |
| >What if there simply were no order ??
In Germany ? You must be joking......
- Robin
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19.17 | | CURRNT::PAGED | B O R E D | Mon Sep 16 1991 15:20 | 4 |
| In what way does the presentation of results differ from that in
England then ?
Dave (confused ex-Bayern fan)
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19.18 | Any other Offers ?? | UNTADH::BIRSE | C'mon ra 'D' | Mon Sep 16 1991 15:46 | 5 |
| In Britain the results are alphabetically by home team, eg. Arsenal
before Crystal Palace etc...
There can't be 'no' order as it seems consistent between different TV
stations, newspapers etc....
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19.19 | Just a thought | CURRNT::PAGED | B O R E D | Mon Sep 16 1991 17:02 | 2 |
| Well maybe the away team is placed first, as is the case in American
football.
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19.20 | It'sa no good! | UNTADC::BIRSE | C'mon ra 'D' | Mon Sep 16 1991 17:08 | 2 |
| Sorry...tried that too :^)...
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19.21 | But i'm only guessing. | UFHIS::TLACEY | A crime in the wink of an eye | Mon Sep 16 1991 17:14 | 4 |
|
I believe it is the LOTTO format.
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19.22 | | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Machine_Gun_Ibiza | Mon Sep 16 1991 18:01 | 5 |
| It's getting pretty tight at the top of the Bundersliga is'nt it?
There seems to be only one point seperating about 4 or 5 teams and
yet another draw for Koln. That's at least seven draws now, surely?
Barry.
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19.23 | Makes sense to somebody. | FRAMBO::BRADLEY | Ja, das Bier-gut ist | Mon Sep 16 1991 19:06 | 12 |
|
Regarding the team order on scores, in Germany the league games are played
Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Saturday night and Sunday (not the same teams
;-> so the scores in the paper and on telly come out in alphabetical and date
order (I think - come on Malcolm, you've been here years!).
Also the German cup scores are sorted on Bundesliga versus Bundesliga,
Bundesliga 2 versus Bundesliga 2, 1 versus 2, 1 versus Amateur (ie. second
team), Amateur versus Amateur etc. so its a bloody nightmare finding out
anything. Ganz normal, nicht wahr?
Bob
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19.24 | He could have something there!! | UNTADC::BIRSE | C'mon ra 'D' | Mon Sep 16 1991 19:46 | 6 |
| Hmmm...could be...I'll look out for that this weekend.
Yes...I've been here years, but I'm just getting my brain into
Oktoberfest mode...starts Saturday...Whoopee....
Hello Bob :^)..
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19.25 | Frank Pingel | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Tue Sep 17 1991 11:46 | 33 |
19.26 | 1860 and Pauli :-( | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Sep 23 1991 14:43 | 67 |
19.27 | Munchen v Frankfurt | RTOEU::TRAYNER | | Mon Sep 23 1991 15:22 | 13 |
|
Could not resist the urge to see one more game at the Olympic
stadium...and for the second time this season, a good game.
6 goals between them, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2, 3-3 , with both
teams having many chances to score more...the last 10 minutes
Bayern hit the underside of the bar and Frankfurt had the just
the keeper to beat on two occasions.
Get the feeling that Frankfurt will now go on and win the
championship this season.
Bayern, out of the cup, no championship, and Cork will win 2-1
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19.28 | Cup | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Thu Sep 26 1991 12:41 | 30 |
19.29 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Sep 30 1991 13:52 | 65 |
19.30 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Sep 30 1991 16:06 | 20 |
19.31 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Oct 07 1991 11:58 | 64 |
19.32 | | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Pele Utd Brothers | Mon Oct 07 1991 12:07 | 3 |
| ...And 1FC Koln surprise us all yet again. :^)
Barry.
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19.33 | UNICEF Gala | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Tue Oct 08 1991 12:18 | 10 |
19.34 | The Game is also live on SKY SPORTS | DUCK::WILSOND1 | | Tue Oct 08 1991 12:33 | 1 |
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19.35 | who is playing | CASEE::CIOT | | Tue Oct 08 1991 13:25 | 1 |
| can you list players ?
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19.36 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Tue Oct 08 1991 15:29 | 17 |
19.37 | latest news ... | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Wed Oct 09 1991 10:40 | 12 |
19.38 | | CRISPY::WILSOND1 | | Wed Oct 09 1991 11:21 | 8 |
|
Why do the Germans Boo Stefen Effenberg every time he gets the ball ?
Overall it wasnt a bad game,and being completly biased....Chris Waddle
was the best player on the pitch for the World 11.
Dave...
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19.39 | Germany 3 - FIFA 1 | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Wed Oct 09 1991 15:40 | 25 |
19.40 | Stuttgart 0 - Duisburg 1 | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Thu Oct 10 1991 18:18 | 6 |
19.41 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Oct 14 1991 14:53 | 72 |
19.42 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Oct 21 1991 11:17 | 89 |
19.43 | top scrores & next weeks games | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Oct 21 1991 11:27 | 20 |
19.44 | FWIW | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Oct 21 1991 15:17 | 23 |
|
I've just read those interesting statistics on most goals etc.
Germany: (played 14)
Most Goals: Avr
Frankfurt 34 2.42 1.Div
Freiburg 29 2.07 2.Div S
Dortmund 28 2.00 1.Div
Oldenburg 27 1.93 2.Div N
Stuttgart 26 1.87 1.Div
Most Intersting
F A Avr
Dortmund 28 27 3.93 1.Div
Erfurt 12 39 3.64 2.Div S
Frankfurt 34 16 3.57 1.Div
Oldenburg 27 22 3.50 2.Div N
Brandenburg 21 25 3.28 2.Div N
Heiko_
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19.45 | Beckenbauer & Rumenigge | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Tue Oct 22 1991 16:08 | 8 |
19.46 | | ASKFOR::HAIGH | Herr Reiner Geschmackssache | Tue Oct 22 1991 18:21 | 5 |
| >Karl-Heinz Rumenigge
This could mean relegation!
After 20 mins against Copenhagen score was 0-0, any updates?
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19.47 | Nein, Danke | ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLION | Chris the Jester | Tue Oct 22 1991 19:49 | 6 |
19.48 | | TOTH::CHAVES | | Thu Oct 24 1991 20:06 | 9 |
| Wow!!! What a shocker. What's with Bayern these days? I just got back
to the office and while searching topic 7 for results I tought the
6:2 score in Europe was somebody' idea of a joke. Forget coaching help
from Beckenbauer and Rumminege (sp? on both). Give them jerseys and
boots and insert them into the line-up, immediately. What a shame it
would be if they were to be relegated. The Bundesliga wouldn't be the
same without them.
JC
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19.49 | | HUGH::RAYNERT | Sysman>@REO/LOC=G2 | Fri Oct 25 1991 10:15 | 2 |
| JC .. I said this -20 notes back... The Bayern players have zero
commitment. If they do go out, lets hope TSV1860 make it!!!
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19.50 | Bayern won't get relegated | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Fri Oct 25 1991 10:23 | 25 |
19.51 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Oct 28 1991 15:07 | 65 |
19.52 | German Cup | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Wed Oct 30 1991 12:19 | 12 |
19.53 | More Cup results | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Thu Oct 31 1991 16:52 | 18 |
19.54 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Nov 04 1991 17:39 | 65 |
19.55 | SGE strikes again! | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Tue Nov 05 1991 10:09 | 14 |
19.56 | | ASKFOR::HAIGH | Still hazy after all these beers | Tue Nov 05 1991 12:37 | 4 |
19.57 | Good Game | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Tue Nov 05 1991 12:55 | 4 |
| I saw the Duisburg-Eintracht game live on Sky on Fri night - a great
game !
jb.
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19.58 | The jailbirds 11 :-) | CROWN::MURRAY | Digital has it. Well sort of | Fri Nov 08 1991 11:28 | 6 |
|
More bad luck for Bayern??? I read in todays paper that Soren Lerby
is in trouble with Amsterdam's tax authorities for tax evasion during
his time with Ajax. They are suggesting that he be locked up for 10
months.
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19.59 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Nov 11 1991 11:40 | 61 |
19.60 | | ASKFOR::HAIGH | Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung? What Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung? | Mon Nov 11 1991 11:55 | 10 |
| Last nights live game was especially picked for all in insomniacs in
Germany to enable them to get a good nights sleep. Hamburg 0 Bremen 1.
Yawn!
Kaiserslautern played superbly again, and look a good bet to retain the
championship. Frankfurt scrambled a late equaliser against KSC, and
Bayern? They were 2 up at half-time and cruising, but gave up in the
2nd half and Leverkusen got a point.
Steve
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19.61 | Maurice Banach dead !!! :-( | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Things that make you go Hmmmm... | Mon Nov 18 1991 12:34 | 23 |
|
A big shock for German Football !!!
Yesterday morning 24-year old striker of 1.FC Cologne, Maurice Banach,
was killed in a car accident on the Cologne - Wuppertal Autobahn on his
way to training.
He leaves behind his wife and 2 sons, aged 3 years and 5 months.
According to the police a front tyre burst and the car crashed into the
pier of a bridge, where it burnt out completely. Banach was immediately
dead after the impact.
Maurice Banach was a very talented striker, scoring 10 goals this season.
In his current form he would have been on his way to get nominated for
the national team.
A minute of silence is said to be held at the EC qualification match between
Belgium and Germany on Wednesday.
My condolences to his wife and children.
Eduard :-( :-( :-(
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19.62 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Nov 18 1991 13:03 | 61 |
19.63 | Bayern bid on Wouters | BONNET::ZIJL | I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did | Tue Nov 19 1991 18:20 | 4 |
| Does anybody know anything about a bid from Bayern Munchen
on Dutch international Jan Wouters???
Rob
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19.64 | Jan Wouters | XSTACY::MDUNPHY | The Hit Man | Tue Nov 19 1991 18:39 | 8 |
| Rob,
I read in todays paper that he has gone to Bayern Munchen rather than
Arsenal for 1 million. He's 31 years old, so perhaps its wasn't a bad thing
that he didnt come to us.
Mick
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19.65 | | CURRNT::PAGED | Terry Waited | Tue Nov 19 1991 18:54 | 1 |
| Exactly, a 31 year old Donkey. Sounds like a typical Bayern signing.
|
19.66 | typical A** crap talk | UTROP1::JANSEN | Dr. Martens | Tue Nov 19 1991 19:12 | 9 |
| <<< Note 19.65 by CURRNT::PAGED "Terry Waited" >>>
>> Exactly, a 31 year old Donkey. Sounds like a typical Bayern signing.
Loads a bullshit you are talking man! Bayern made a good deal by buying him,
being 31 doesn't mean you are over the hill, he still is a Dutch international
and one of the leader in the national team!
T_
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19.67 | So what do you know about him 8-) | TRUCKS::SANT | | Tue Nov 19 1991 19:17 | 4 |
|
So there. Nur.
That told him, Ton 8-)
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19.68 | It's a Mad Mad Note. | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Hanging out your old Love Letters | Tue Nov 19 1991 19:26 | 6 |
| Is it just me or are we having an extraordinary day in Football notes?
Cunno on the offensive (literally), battle of the Scousers on the
Liverpool note, the Arsenal note is turning into an beer convention,
and now this. Loving every minute.
Barry.
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19.69 | Old Donky??? | BONNET::ZIJL | I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did | Tue Nov 19 1991 19:38 | 6 |
| Reply: 19.65 "Old Donky"
On what facts is critisism on Jan Wouters based. Have you seen him
play recently??? By my knowledge Jan is still one of the best Dutch
football players. In fact I think he even improved the last few years,
he can really lead a team and younger players can learn a lot from him.
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19.70 | Passing the Dutchy | CURRNT::PAGED | Terry Waited | Tue Nov 19 1991 19:47 | 4 |
| I am not disputing the fact that Wouters is a bad player. He was one
of the best. But at 31 he must be over the hill and ready for
retirement. Ergo, a waste of money if Bayern are trying to strengthen
a team that they have already spent millions of marks creating... Hee haw !!
|
19.71 | Bayern down and out ? | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Tue Nov 19 1991 20:06 | 9 |
| I haven't seen Bayern Munich in a complete game this season, maybe Sky
will show a Friday Night Bundesliga game featuring them. Bayern Munich
are not my favourite German club, as they cheated Leeds United out of
the European Cup in 1975. Seeing them in the predicament they are in at
the moment gives a better feeling than them at the top.
They're a bit like Liverpool - in decline.
jb.
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19.72 | | CURRNT::PAGED | Terry Waited | Tue Nov 19 1991 20:15 | 4 |
| Having spent the past 4 seasons watching Bayern at close quarters
(I lived there) I can quite catagorically state:
That they are shite.
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19.73 | How old are you anyway? | UTROP1::JANSEN | Dr. Martens | Tue Nov 19 1991 21:08 | 15 |
| <<< Note 19.70 by CURRNT::PAGED "Terry Waited" >>>
-< Passing the Dutchy >-
>> I am not disputing the fact that Wouters is a bad player. He was one
>> of the best. But at 31 he must be over the hill and ready for
>> retirement. Ergo, a waste of money if Bayern are trying to strengthen
>> a team that they have already spent millions of marks creating... Hee haw !!
I still think you talk crap! The reason is simply I've seen Jan Wouters
playing for years from his time at FC Utrecht till his Ajax and international
time. He is not over the hill and still can drag a team into winning a match.
Bayern did well by buying him, he will lead the young players to the right
way and that up!!!!
T_
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19.74 | Whats got 4 legs and wears an orange shirt ? | CURRNT::PAGED | Terry Waited | Wed Nov 20 1991 12:29 | 4 |
| This man Wouters will have to have the power of the Wizard of OZ
to make any changes at Bayern this year. My bet is that he will
quickly lose his mythical ability to lead when he's forced to
play the way Bayern do.
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19.75 | | BONNET::ZIJL | I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did | Mon Nov 25 1991 13:00 | 2 |
| Does anybody know the results of the German league??? Did
Jan Wouters already play for Bayern Munchen???
|
19.76 | | UTROP1::JANSEN | Dr. Martens | Mon Nov 25 1991 13:09 | 8 |
| <<< Note 19.75 by BONNET::ZIJL "I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did" >>>
>> Does anybody know the results of the German league??? Did
>> Jan Wouters already play for Bayern Munchen???
He played and Munich won lucky, 1-0.
T_
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19.77 | Paddy O'Mulligan's revenge ? | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Mon Nov 25 1991 13:34 | 10 |
| There is no more live Bundesliga football on Sky Sports on a Friday
night, the niggardly and spiteful Irish FA have complained it clashes
with an Irish League match between Ballybunion Athletic and Bog of
Allen Rovers, watched by 400 fans, 2 sheep and Paddy McGinty's goat.
(I think it's sour grapes to get back at England)
Ne-ne-der-ner-ner.
jb.
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19.78 | Halftime | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Nov 25 1991 13:36 | 62 |
19.79 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Dec 02 1991 11:28 | 64 |
19.80 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Wed Dec 04 1991 12:19 | 12 |
19.81 | | BONNET::ZIJL | I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did | Mon Dec 09 1991 10:55 | 3 |
| Any results from the German League this week?
Rob
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19.82 | don't hurry, be happy | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Dec 09 1991 11:18 | 3 |
| I usually come in at 9:00 !
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19.83 | curious | BONNET::ZIJL | I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did | Mon Dec 09 1991 11:32 | 1 |
| Sorry just curious
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19.84 | OK. 09:38:41 :-) | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Dec 09 1991 11:41 | 66 |
19.85 | Dortmund top??!! | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Are you with me Doctor Wu? | Mon Dec 09 1991 15:45 | 3 |
| When does the Bundersliga "hibernate" for the winter then?
Barry.
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19.86 | 15/02/92 ?? | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Dec 09 1991 16:02 | 6 |
|
One more round is to be played next weekend, then they'll start again
in February (I think).
Heiko
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19.87 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Wed Dec 11 1991 11:10 | 17 |
19.88 | Break until Feb 8th | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Dec 16 1991 12:51 | 84 |
19.89 | Jan Wouters??? | ULYSSE::LORD | | Mon Dec 16 1991 12:58 | 3 |
| How's Jan Wouters doing at Bayern???
Rob
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19.90 | | UTROP1::JANSEN | Dr. Martens | Mon Dec 16 1991 13:00 | 12 |
| <<< Note 19.89 by ULYSSE::LORD >>>
-< Jan Wouters??? >-
>> How's Jan Wouters doing at Bayern???
>> Rob
Rob,
I think he is doing ok, as he scored this weekend!!!
T_
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19.91 | Eeyore scores !! | CURRNT::PAGED | But Mother I hate my job !! | Mon Dec 16 1991 15:02 | 3 |
| Indeed he did and I was there to witness it. The best goal of a game
that was, at best, lousy. A typical Bayern performance. They are the
Luton Town of the Bundesliga !
|
19.93 | Saaaankt Pauli!!! | COL01::STANIENDA | | Mon Jan 06 1992 18:18 | 15 |
| Nice to know I'm not the only one at DIGITAL's whose heart belongs to
FC St.Pauli (though I live at Cologne for some years).
Does anybody know yet the timetable of the promo round for the
2.Bundesliga Nord (especially the dates of the matches against
Uerdingen and Hannover - Meppen doesn't bother me too much) ?
It would be tragic if the most boring team of the whole league
would succeed over my favourite - at Uerdingen you can't even take
a can of beer into the stadium without being picked by the police
(I know what I'm talking about).
Tor - Tor - MILLERNTOR!!
Rainer
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19.94 | Jetzt geht's los | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Fri Jan 10 1992 09:38 | 16 |
19.95 | Auf der Reeperbahn nachts um halb Eins.. | COL01::STANIENDA | | Fri Jan 24 1992 14:18 | 9 |
| Hi Gerd,
great to know that so many St.Pauli-supporters are tuned to this
conference. As I mentioned before (->10.113) we'll grow to football
team size on our own soon (just wait until autumn when we're back in
1st division)!
See you in the "Bunker Curve" of Millerntor Stadium,
Rainer
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19.96 | Seit ihr mude | BONNET::ZIJL | The one who always loses his SODEXHO card | Mon Jan 27 1992 13:40 | 3 |
| Are the German football players in their wintersleep
Rob
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19.97 | Yes | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Mon Jan 27 1992 14:23 | 5 |
| yes, they stat up again on 8 Feb (no doubt whwn the snow is deep and
crisp and even !). Bayern Munich are playing Leeds United on Wednersday
in a friendly game.
jb.
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19.98 | | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Not too fond of poodles | Mon Jan 27 1992 17:32 | 5 |
| Hope it's friendlier than the last one, crowd wise ;^). Were'nt Leeds on
the wrong end of some dubious refereeing decisions that fateful Paris
night?
Barry.
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19.99 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Jan 27 1992 17:43 | 7 |
19.100 | Robbed by a Greek | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Mon Jan 27 1992 18:37 | 8 |
| Leeds had a perfectly good goal disallowed, and Bayern got away with
lots of fouls and cheating. The referee never took charge of an
important match again.'We wuz robbed'.
There were (inexcusable) riots - but there was a near riot at every game
in the Football League at the time.
jb.
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19.101 | Crippled by a Welshman | STKOFF::SPERSSON | Pas de probleme | Tue Jan 28 1992 19:40 | 8 |
19.102 | Spy! | MARCM3::GGAUGLER | | Wed Jan 29 1992 12:30 | 6 |
19.103 | Ausgeschlafen??? | BONNET::ZIJL | The one who always loses his SODEXHO card | Mon Feb 03 1992 13:44 | 7 |
| How did the German league come out of it's wintersleep, and if they
did, how did Jan Wouters (Bayern) play???
Thanks,
Rob
|
19.104 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Feb 03 1992 13:49 | 4 |
19.105 | 23rd Round | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Feb 10 1992 13:25 | 19 |
19.106 | Who plays on a Friday ? | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Mon Feb 10 1992 13:36 | 7 |
| I saw Bochum - Frankfurt on Friday night (Sky) - not too bad, but not a
lot of goal action.
Who plays on a Friday night, could anyone post a Friday Night fixture
list in here for the rest of the season ?
jb.
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19.107 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Feb 10 1992 13:43 | 8 |
19.108 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Feb 17 1992 11:32 | 46 |
19.109 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Thu Feb 20 1992 18:40 | 12 |
19.110 | Bochum vs Luton Boredomophobia | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Fri Feb 21 1992 11:09 | 14 |
19.111 | Auf Wiedersehen! | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Fri Feb 21 1992 16:31 | 19 |
19.112 | | UTROP1::JANSEN | Dr. Martens | Fri Feb 21 1992 16:41 | 11 |
| <<< Note 19.111 by RTOIC::GGAUGLER >>>
-< Auf Wiedersehen! >-
Gunter,
all the best for you in the future and maybe we'll meet when
Germany plays Holland (Dutch win ofcourse :-) :-))
T_
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19.113 | | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Life begins at the Hop | Fri Feb 21 1992 16:42 | 6 |
| Cheerio Gunter. Looks like I'll have to find another source of
fixtures for the Westfalen (sp?) region this summer. :^)
Good luck,
Barry.
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19.114 | bye! | KERNEL::HAWLEYI | Ian Hawley, South UK VMS support | Fri Feb 21 1992 17:25 | 4 |
|
good luck, Gunther!
Ian.
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19.115 | Toodle Pip ! | BAHTAT::BLYTHE | Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill | Fri Feb 21 1992 17:54 | 3 |
| Good luck outside Digital, Gunther.
jb.
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19.116 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Fri Feb 21 1992 17:58 | 4 |
19.117 | Bye Mate! | LISTIM::ARNOLD | | Fri Feb 21 1992 19:01 | 8 |
| Good Luck Gunter (cant make the two little dots on the U!). I'm off
too end of next week (but it happens to me every few months so its
no big deal). Worse part is the 'notes withdrawal', apparently you
can now get a patch from your doctor to stick on your arm, it slowly
releases measured amounts of "Essence of Cunno" which, when absorbed
through the skin induce a state of euphoria, almost Aldo-like.
Tono
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19.118 | No more to battle on monday nights !! | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Brace Yerself Gertrude...... | Fri Feb 21 1992 19:13 | 4 |
| Good luck Gunter, are you a victim of the announcements over the last
few days or is it voluntary ?
- Robin
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19.119 | Goodbye | XSTACY::MDUNPHY | The Hit Man | Fri Feb 21 1992 20:52 | 4 |
| We'll miss Ya.
Mick
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19.120 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Mon Feb 24 1992 13:31 | 49 |
19.121 | All the best.... | RTODWT::DCASSIDY | Virtute et armis,NAACP Boy.... | Mon Feb 24 1992 20:23 | 7 |
|
Cheers Gunther....are you staying in Munich or will you have to
find an 1860 substititute???
Regards,
Dezzz.
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19.122 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Tue Feb 25 1992 11:20 | 8 |
19.123 | best wishes | HUGH::RAYNERT | | Tue Feb 25 1992 20:50 | 2 |
| Gunter, We will miss the German results....best of luck outside the
realms of Digital..heres to 1860...and have a Weiss bier on me!...Tony
|
19.124 | Bye | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Wed Feb 26 1992 11:39 | 10 |
19.125 | All the best | BRSISD::ROOSEN | | Wed Feb 26 1992 12:32 | 10 |
| Hi Gunther,
I wish you all the best in the future and thanks for all the input,but if you
permits,I would like to ask you some more questions.
What happened with Teddy De Beer,the goalkeeper of Dortmund and why German
supporters are always start whistling whenever Steffenberg is touchong the ball?
Regards
Patrick
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19.126 | | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Wed Feb 26 1992 13:49 | 33 |
19.127 | Have Fun, and see you around. | DCC::LACEY | Oh well, whatever, nevermind | Wed Feb 26 1992 15:00 | 4 |
19.128 | Tom Dooley for the US | RTOIC::GGAUGLER | | Thu Feb 27 1992 16:16 | 18 |
19.129 | US players need to play where competitin is best | SALES::THILL | | Sat Feb 29 1992 01:47 | 21 |
| re last
I've never heard of him, but I assume he must be pretty good - probably better
than the guys playing his position on the US team. This would be especially true,
since to crack the Kaiserslautern lineup he would have to beat out some good
players. I take it he's the son of a US serviceman stationed in Germany, and
grew up and learned to play there. I may be wrong, but I was under the
impression that he would already be a US citizen. If his mother is German, I
guess he could hold dual citizenship. Does this mean he is considered a German
for football purposes, like UK citizens who play for Scotland?
Whatever the case, the US will benefit from the more players it has playing in
European leagues. Even though many countries are moving more towards a home-based
side, the US doesn't have a good pro league at home. Players like Sheffield
Wednesday's John Harkes, Hugo Perez and Bruce Murray (Spanish 2nd Division
clubs) Paul Caliguri (ex-Hasna Rostock, now Hamburger SV?) are benefitting
tremendously from their experiences. Even if the whole US team plays in Europe
and they set up a makeshift camp there to prepare for games, it's better than
havig players play at home in a semi-pro league.
Tom
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19.130 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Mar 02 1992 16:31 | 44 |
19.131 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Mar 09 1992 15:54 | 44 |
19.132 | | RIGHTO::HAIGH | He's gone to early! | Mon Mar 09 1992 17:10 | 4 |
19.133 | | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Skiing, ya bass....... | Thu Mar 12 1992 20:14 | 1 |
| Soren Lerby has been sacked by Bayern Muenchen.
|
19.134 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Fri Mar 13 1992 15:26 | 21 |
19.135 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Mar 16 1992 13:17 | 47 |
19.136 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Mar 23 1992 12:30 | 43 |
19.137 | | RIGHTO::HAIGH | Sign on the dotted... Oh You have! | Tue Mar 24 1992 15:09 | 9 |
| Did anyone see Illgners (Germanys keeper) complete cock-up on Saturday?
It was a bit of an Alex Stepney. He punched a fairly soft cross into his
own net, with hardly an attacker in sight!!
It's a good job for the rest of Europe that Germany don't really have
an international class keeper.
Steve
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19.138 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Mar 30 1992 13:24 | 48 |
19.139 | | RIGHTO::HAIGH | Sign on the dotted... Oh You have! | Tue Mar 31 1992 21:24 | 11 |
19.140 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Zo fo Draziw (jun.) | Mon Apr 06 1992 17:05 | 59 |
19.141 | Quite amazing penalty saves! | RIGHTO::HAIGH | Riddled with conundrums. | Wed Apr 08 1992 15:34 | 12 |
19.142 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Thu Apr 09 1992 15:50 | 8 |
19.143 | And I'll bet the keepers moved! | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Fri Apr 10 1992 21:47 | 4 |
| So neither Cup Finalist 'won' their semi-final? Yet another competition
decided on penalties.
grahame
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19.148 | Into the final furlong..blanket finish!! | RTODWT::DCASSIDY | | Mon Apr 27 1992 18:10 | 13 |
|
What an absolutely superb game between 2 of the front-runners on
Saturday. With Bayern out of the picture for most of the season it
seemed that the other teams felt a weight off their shoulders. Well
that's the way it was in England this season....there are still 4
games to go.....who'll buckle first ?? I don't care who wins it as
at the end one can say that ANY of the 3 teams involved played
attacking, open and entertaining football. For Dortmund's fans I'd
like to see them win it as for the past 5 years since I've been here
they've certainly been the most loyal (ironically an exception this
year with Schalke 04 having the highest average).
Dezzz.
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19.149 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Wed Apr 29 1992 11:30 | 4 |
|
Werder Bremen 1 - 1 Hamburger SV
Kohn Eck
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19.150 | Bochum must go down | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Fri May 08 1992 15:52 | 47 |
19.151 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Mon May 11 1992 11:31 | 59 |
19.152 | Mist !! | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Mon May 18 1992 11:27 | 76 |
19.153 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Tue May 19 1992 15:45 | 29 |
19.154 | When??? | ESSB::BLONG | Rumbleows & Euro Super Cup Winners 92 | Tue May 19 1992 15:57 | 8 |
19.155 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Tue May 19 1992 18:31 | 8 |
|
Klinsmann -- Madrid :
Not yet confirmed - I just read in in the paper this morning ...
Tranfer fee DM 10,000,000
K'mann's salary DM 1,500,000 p.a.
Heiko
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19.156 | Overrated crap!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | Vorsprung durch Guinness | Tue May 19 1992 18:52 | 6 |
| He'll be earning approx 130,000 dm more than what he earned in Milan. Not bad
money for a striker who only scores an average of 4 or 5 goals pro season. I
also believe he won't be a starter in Euro 92. Riedle, Voller, and Thom are all
better players..
-dave-
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19.157 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | This reply is being recorded | Mon May 25 1992 11:43 | 13 |
19.158 | congrats | HAMCL3::PLEWKA | Dschiepie | Mon May 25 1992 13:24 | 8 |
|
Congratulations to Hannover 96 and their coach Michael Lorkowski.
They deserved to win.
Gerd
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19.159 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Ach ! | Mon Jun 01 1992 12:40 | 30 |
19.160 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Seid umschlungen, Millionen | Mon Jun 15 1992 13:29 | 15 |
19.161 | New Topics for 92/93 season, Mods ?? | HAM::SCHARNBERG | No moer typos | Wed Jul 15 1992 14:16 | 26 |
19.162 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | No moer typos | Thu Jul 16 1992 11:39 | 21 |
19.163 | | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Pssst! Wanna buy an Intelligent Toilet? | Mon Aug 10 1992 14:51 | 6 |
| Anyone got the results of the new Bundersliga campaign? I'd
imagine it would have started by now and that the lower
divisions have been playing for a few weeks already.
barry.
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19.164 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | No moer typos | Mon Aug 10 1992 15:58 | 5 |
| No, they haven't started yet.
First day is Aug, 28th I think.
Heiko
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19.165 | Germans start kicking on friday!!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | We're one, but we're not the same | Mon Aug 10 1992 17:47 | 15 |
|
From what I've read the German league also starts on saturday 15th, but there
are also three or four games scheduled for friday night.....
I also notice that Bayern Munich pre-season form is similar to that of last
years league form..ie crap... They played a couple of games against Bavarian
league teams, Ulm, and Augsburg and managed only a draw in both games, and were
very lucky not to lose by at least two goals. Klaus Augenthaler had his farewell
game on sat night in Munich against Juventus, at one stage Juventus were leading
by 4-1, and during the 10mins I watched, Juve were in complete control...
I hope Bayern keep up this form, because I don't like them.... I hope
Frankfurt or Dortmund produce the goods this year......
-dave-
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19.166 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | No moer typos | Thu Aug 13 1992 12:46 | 6 |
|
Yup, you're right. They start this Friday.
(I somehow mixed it up with the league I play in)
Heiko
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19.167 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | No moer typos | Tue Aug 25 1992 11:53 | 13 |
19.168 | | EICMFG::HOWE | Alice in ordnung | Tue Aug 25 1992 17:09 | 4 |
19.169 | Lothar wants to play for Bayern.... | KBOMFG::TANNER | We're one, but we're not the same | Tue Aug 25 1992 17:25 | 13 |
|
Re last...
Yea the deal looks on. The Bayern president is down in Milan today with
Karl-Heinz Ruemenigge (Vice-president) to talk terms with the Inter folks.. It
looks like he will cost between 4 and 6 million dm. To me that's a lot of
money for a player heading for 32, and who's just recovering from an injury that
would finish a lot of players careers. I'll fill ye in on the details whenever
they are settled. By the way the great Franz Beckenbaur has a lot to do with
this deal, he wants Matthaeus back in Munich at practically any cost.
-dave-
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19.170 | Mattaeus has signed for Bayern Munich.. official.. | KBOMFG::TANNER | We're one, but we're not the same | Wed Aug 26 1992 15:15 | 7 |
|
Lothar Mattaeus signed for Byern Munich last night.. the transfer fee is
approx 6 million dm, this is just one million less than what Bayern got for him
back in 88 when he went to Inter.. He's still injured, but should be back to
full fitnes by October..
-dave-
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19.171 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Thu Aug 27 1992 12:44 | 34 |
19.172 | Having fun with the back-pass rule? | ARRODS::OHAGANB | elvis economics | Thu Aug 27 1992 13:58 | 3 |
| Another blinding start to the season by Koln I see. 8^)
barry.
|
19.173 | a short review... | EICMFG::HOWE | Alice in ordnung | Thu Aug 27 1992 15:57 | 31 |
19.174 | A Yank in the Budesliga? | AKOCOA::KNIPSTEIN | | Thu Aug 27 1992 21:46 | 6 |
| According to USA Today, Eric Wynalda (who has made several appearances
with the US national team), scored his first 2 goals in the Bundesliga
on Saturday. Can anyone provide more information? Which team is he
playing for?
Steve
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19.175 | A couple of Yanks.... | SALES::THILL | | Thu Aug 27 1992 22:22 | 7 |
| I don't remember if it was him, but there was another USA international
who was with Hasna Rostock the year they won the East German
championship. Thomas Dooley is a defender for the USA team, but he's
really German. I think he plays for Kaiserslautern. Paul Caliguiri, a
midfielder was with SV Hamburger last year, but I think he's moved on.
Tom
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19.176 | | EICMFG::HOWE | Alice in ordnung | Fri Aug 28 1992 12:59 | 15 |
19.177 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Fri Aug 28 1992 13:39 | 9 |
|
Paul Caliguri played for Hamburg about 4 years ago.
He then moved to SV Meppen, who are playing 2.Bundesliga.
I've never heard of Peter Woodring playing for Hamburg's first team.
He must be in their amateur squad.
Heiko
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19.178 | Two lovely goals... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | | Fri Aug 28 1992 14:04 | 4 |
| As far as I can remember, the two goals of Eric Wynalda were brilliant,
especially the first one; the second one was scored with a bit of luck.
Eduard
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19.179 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Mon Aug 31 1992 12:58 | 43 |
19.180 | Dual citizen | SALES::THILL | | Mon Aug 31 1992 19:27 | 9 |
| re a few back
Thomas Dooley is a dual citizen of Germany and the USA, so he is not
considered a "foreigner" in the Bundesliga. His father is an American
serviceman and his mother is German. He grew up in Germany and decided
to play for the USA becsue he probably would not be able to crack the
line up of the German national team.
Tom
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19.181 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Thu Sep 03 1992 12:23 | 35 |
19.182 | confused | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Thu Sep 03 1992 13:56 | 11 |
| Hi,
Call me stupid, but I do not understand your league table as presented in this
note.
What does
6. Karlsruher SC 11: 9 5:5
mean?
Many thanks,
Mike
|
19.183 | Its simple mike....
| KBOMFG::TANNER | We're one, but we're not the same | Thu Sep 03 1992 14:20 | 12 |
|
Re last... Heiko I'll save you typing....
Mike 11:9 and 5:5 are in order, goals for, goals against. and points
standing.....
so Karlsruhe are sixth in the table, scored 11 goals, conceded 9 goals, and
have 5 points out of a possible 10....
alles klar....
-dave-
|
19.184 | thanks | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Thu Sep 03 1992 14:58 | 2 |
| Thanks very much.
Mike
|
19.185 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Mon Sep 14 1992 12:37 | 78 |
19.186 | Bundesliga, Scorers, News, 2.Bundesliga | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Tue Sep 22 1992 12:54 | 89 |
19.187 | 1. + 2. Bundesliga | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Mon Sep 28 1992 12:53 | 87 |
19.188 | It's near Dortmund zoo, right? | ARRODS::OHAGANB | freeman hardy & willis | Mon Sep 28 1992 13:24 | 6 |
| I'd be ever so grateful if someone in here could post the
full address of Borussia Dortmund.
Thanks in advance,
barry.
|
19.189 | worth a try | ULYSSE::BREADIE | | Mon Sep 28 1992 20:00 | 5 |
| Can anyone tell me if Leeds v Stuggart} are live on RTL on Wednesday ?
Celticv Colonge }
thanks
Denis
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19.190 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Thu Oct 01 1992 12:18 | 18 |
19.191 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Tue Oct 20 1992 12:13 | 83 |
19.192 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | My cookie has gone berserk. | Mon Oct 26 1992 10:25 | 92 |
19.193 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | virtually real | Mon Nov 02 1992 11:49 | 40 |
19.194 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | pagefault billionaire | Mon Nov 09 1992 10:33 | 31 |
19.195 | Another Yank in the Bundesliga? | AKOCOA::KNIPSTEIN | | Mon Nov 09 1992 23:02 | 5 |
| Saw a brief report in the International Herald Tribune that Cobi Jones,
a member of the US Olympic team, had been signed by FC Cologne. Anyone
have any further info?
Steve
|
19.196 | He Scored a nice goal "yesterday" | SALES::THILL | | Mon Nov 09 1992 23:37 | 12 |
| Well, he scored a nice goal against the Ivory Coast in the "Inter-
Continental Championships" at King Fahd Stadium in Saudi Arabia. The
game was on Telemundo yesterday. The US won, 5-2. I think Cobi Jones
played for UCLA before joining the US Olympic team this summer.
It's kind of hard to take this tournament seriously if it didn't
include the European Champion. Apparenly Denmark had enough
internationals already scheduled in their WC qualifying group.
Argentina won it (big surprise there!), Saudi Arabia was 2nd, USA 3rd
and Ivory Coast 4th.
Tom
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19.197 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | pagefault billionaire | Mon Nov 16 1992 10:22 | 41 |
19.198 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | pagefault billionaire | Mon Nov 23 1992 10:59 | 40 |
19.199 | Nov. 28th - Day #15 | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybill ! | Mon Nov 30 1992 14:36 | 40 |
19.200 | Lothar Mattheus | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Mon Nov 30 1992 18:57 | 21 |
| When Mattheus signed for Bayern he was injured. Has he recovered yet?
If so, how is he doing?
Is he back in the national side again?
If I remember correctly, Bayern weren't particularly devastating last season, so
has the return of Mattheus made the difference?
Other questions:
Who is leading the second division this year?
How are Osnabruck doing?
Is Andy Brehme playing in Germany again now?
Just curious...
Thanks for any info.
Mike
|
19.201 | Some info mike.......
| KBOMFG::TANNER | We're one, but we're not the same | Mon Nov 30 1992 19:24 | 22 |
|
Mike Mattheus has played about 8-10 games in a row now for Bayern since
recovering from his injury. He has scored two goals for them one ten days ago
and one on saturday... They are two of the best goals I have seen been scored
this season in any league, and Iam by no way a fan of Mattheus or Bayern... He
is also back in the National team, and Iam sure he will become the most capped
player for Germany, at the moment he has approx 95 caps.... Kaiser Franz
Beckenbauer holds the record at 103 (Heiko correct me if Iam wrong)
Bayern have bought some other class players who have fit perfectly into the
team, so its only got a little to do with Mattheus... The young players look to
him , Jorginho, and Woulters for advice...
Freiburg are leading the second division table by five points, Iam not sure
where Osnabruck are, but I think their mid table.....
Andy Brehme plays with Real Zaragosa in Spain... They got beat 10 days ago
6-1 at home to the mighty Barcelona.....
hope this helps.....
-dave-
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19.202 | Cheers | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Mon Nov 30 1992 19:56 | 5 |
| Dave,
Thanks very much.
Mike
|
19.203 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybill ! | Tue Dec 01 1992 10:12 | 17 |
19.204 | | PEKING::NAGLEJ | | Tue Dec 01 1992 16:08 | 5 |
|
I saw the high lights of the Bundersliga last night on the tv
and Matthaus was quite superb.
JN.
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19.205 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybill ! | Wed Dec 02 1992 11:22 | 33 |
19.206 | Berlin and Chemnitz deserved thier victories......
| KBOMFG::TANNER | We're one, but we're not the same | Wed Dec 02 1992 12:05 | 9 |
|
Heiko both teams played excellent football ie Chemnitz and Hertha amateurs
could and should have won by a bigger margin.... Bremen had two players sent off
in their game, but again Chemnitz were the better team. I hope Hertha go all the
way, they have at least a good chance of geting to the final.....
-dave-
p.s Big game on tonight on RTL....
|
19.207 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybill ! | Mon Dec 07 1992 10:04 | 43 |
19.208 | Halftime | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybill ! | Mon Dec 14 1992 10:27 | 58 |
19.209 | German Indoor Masters | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Feb 01 1993 11:17 | 41 |
19.210 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Feb 22 1993 11:55 | 51 |
19.211 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 01 1993 11:35 | 41 |
19.212 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Mon Mar 01 1993 15:30 | 9 |
| Hi Heiko,
Any chance of finding out what is going on in the 2.bundesliga?
I'm mainly interested in Osnabruck, and how they are doing.
Thanks very much,
Mike
|
19.213 | 2. Bundesliga | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 01 1993 16:59 | 40 |
19.214 | Cheers | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Wed Mar 03 1993 13:25 | 7 |
| Heiko,
Thanks very much. Not too good for Osnabruck, eh?
What are their chances of staying up?
Mike
|
19.215 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Wed Mar 03 1993 14:16 | 16 |
19.216 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 15 1993 11:47 | 45 |
19.217 | 2. Bundesliga 31st day | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 15 1993 13:13 | 47 |
19.218 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Mon Mar 15 1993 13:46 | 7 |
| Heiko,
Thanks very much. A good result for Osnabruck.
Maybe we can avoid the drop yet. 8-)
Mike
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19.219 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Fri Mar 19 1993 20:38 | 7 |
| Heiko,
Thanks for getting the 2. info for us - I'm going to have tio have a bet with
Mike that Darmstadt will finish above Osnabruck (now there's a competition to
set everyone talking)
g
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19.220 | Bundesliga 22nd day (2.Liga in .221) | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 22 1993 09:52 | 44 |
19.221 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 22 1993 10:06 | 48 |
19.222 | Clash of the Titans | FORTY2::FOWLERM | | Mon Mar 22 1993 12:51 | 12 |
| Graham,
Well, after both Osnabruck and Darmstadt garnered a mighty zero points from
the weekend, it looks like both teams are in a bit of trouble. Osnabruck will
finish above you though. 8-)
The question is: will it matter because both are likely to plummet into
footballing obscurity next season anyway. 8-(
Doncaster Rovers, Osnabruck; I can't half pick 'em!
Mike
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19.223 | 23rd day / 2.Liga in *.+1 | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 29 1993 11:02 | 40 |
19.224 | 2.Liga | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Mar 29 1993 11:26 | 53 |
19.225 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Mon Mar 29 1993 16:40 | 5 |
| Re .-2
do Frankfurt not WANT to win the title?!!
g
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19.226 | Frankfurt's out | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Wed Mar 31 1993 11:55 | 34 |
| German Cup 1st semifinal
Eintracht Frankfurt - Bayer 04 Leverkusen
0 - 3
Thom 6'
Kirsten ~75'
Thom ~80'
Right after the match Dragoslav Stepanovic, coach of Eintracht
Frankfurt, announced he would step down, although Frankfurt's
management had previously stated they didn't see any reason to consider
changing or suspending to coach.
Stepanovic is probably the most interesting and courageous coach
Germany has seen in the last decade. He came from lowly Eintracht Trier
(3rd Div) and managed to field new, unknown, but very skillful players
about every month. Okocha, Schmitt, Ancic. As the (good) TV
Commentatory (sp) put it, "The magician has finally run out of tricks".
This evening it is
Chemnitzer FC - Hertha BSC Amateurs
(2.Liga) (Oberliga)
If the Amateurs manage to win, it would be the first time ever, that a
non professional team reaches the cup final, which is btw always held
in Berlin.
So that would perfectly match the rule that amateur teams, when
playing against professionals, will automatically have the advantage
of being the home team.
Heiko
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19.227 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Thu Apr 01 1993 11:11 | 33 |
|
German Cup Semifinal
Hertha BSC Amateurs - Chemnizter FC
(Oberliga Ost-Mitte) (2.Bundesliga)
4' Ramelow
1 - 0
22' Meyer
2 - 0
36' Heidrich
2 - 1
Halftime
Final Whistle
56,000 fans celebrate the first amateur team to reach the DFB Cup
final. Probably one of the greatest successes for a team from Berlin as
well.
Looking forward to an interesting Cup-Final
Hertha BSC (A) - Bayer 04 Leverkusen
Heiko
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19.228 | REAL amateurs ? | SWBNEU::TOURNE::WRIGHT | | Thu Apr 01 1993 11:47 | 12 |
| are the Hertha team real amateurs, or are they semi-professional non-league ?
I saw most of the game on tv, and they didn't appear to be outclassed in any way
- in fact Chemnitzer looked more disorganised, especially the marking of their
defenders for the two goals.
How far below professional league level is the league that Hertha play in, and
how are they doing ? Is there any promotion/relegation to and from non-league
football (the way there is in England for teams winning the Conference) ?
Ray
ps when's the final ?
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19.229 | On the amateurs | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Thu Apr 01 1993 12:25 | 39 |
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A quick overview:
1.Bundesliga 18 teams well paid, bonuses
(2 or 3 up and down)
2.Bundesliga 24 teams fully paid, bonuses
to be reduced to 20 teams
(7 going down)
Amateuroberliga players usually follow a profession
but are being paid for playing.
Depends on the generosity of the
sponsor, mainly.
The are ~10 Oberligas. The top teams, 1st and 2nd for those leagues
that cover a wide region, otherwise 1st only, form 3 promotion groups
of 4 teams each. The play a round robin and the three winners of the
promotion groups will be promoted to 2.Bundesliga.
Verbandsliga see Oberliga.
one for each the
federal states
Promotion to Oberliga Nord: Top 1 & 2 of Verbandliga Bremen, Hamburg,
Niedersachsen and Schleswig-Holstein play in 2 groups.
Hertha BSC Pros are playing in 2.Bundesliga, currently 6th and on a
winning run (21:3 pts).
Hertha BSC are midfield of Oberliga Ost-Mitte, I think.
HTH,
Heiko
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19.230 | A bunch of kids!!!!!!!
| KBOMFG::TANNER | Californian Girls are more fun!!!!! | Thu Apr 01 1993 13:17 | 6 |
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I hope they go all the way now...... I believe the average age of the team
is 20, and I know the keeper is only 16. Btw on sunday 220 people turned up to
see them play a league game....... Who said fairytales don't come true......
-dave-
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19.231 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Tue Apr 06 1993 10:55 | 50 |
19.232 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Tue Apr 06 1993 11:23 | 41 |
19.233 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Tue Apr 13 1993 14:34 | 49 |
19.234 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Tue Apr 13 1993 14:42 | 35 |
19.235 | Bayern Munich ?? | AYOV16::WCOLVILLE | | Fri Apr 16 1993 18:27 | 8 |
| Hello,
I will be in Munich on the weekend of the 24th April, do
Bayern have a game at home this weekend that I could go to ???????
Also what is the likely cost of the ticket?
Thanks for any info .... Sandy
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19.236 | | ECCGY4::HAIGH | Dyslexia comes in a glass | Fri Apr 16 1993 18:34 | 6 |
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Probably not, I think they are playing Bremen away live on the box 2
days later.
Steve
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19.237 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Apr 19 1993 11:33 | 4 |
19.238 | 26th Day | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Apr 19 1993 11:34 | 41 |
19.239 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Apr 26 1993 11:24 | 68 |
19.240 | 2.Bundesliga | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon Apr 26 1993 11:36 | 42 |
19.241 | | RTOEU::RDELANEY | | Mon Apr 26 1993 13:21 | 1 |
| Werder Bremen Vs. Munchen, live on telly tonight.........
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19.242 | where and when ? | SWBNEU::TOURNE::WRIGHT | | Mon Apr 26 1993 13:33 | 5 |
| which channel ?
what time ?
ray
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19.243 | ex | RTOEU::RDELANEY | | Mon Apr 26 1993 14:34 | 3 |
| SAT-1 @ 19:55, so I reckon the game starts at 20:00/20:15.
- Robin
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19.244 | match report: werder - bayern | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Tue Apr 27 1993 11:52 | 67 |
19.245 | Super game! | ECCGY4::HAIGH | Dyslexia comes in a glass | Tue Apr 27 1993 12:13 | 17 |
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Nice report Heiko. I would second nearly all of what you said.
Great game, played at tremendous pace, really end-to-end stuff (bit
like an English game in this respect).
Excellent skill from Scholl in the first half. Only Erich Riebec
(sp?) knows why he hasn't been playing all year. Although I think that
Bremen were better in the 1st half than many people give them credit
for. They came close to scoring on several occasions, but Bayern were
the more dangerous.
The penalties? Hmmm, sorry to say this Heiko but I think that these
sort of incidents happen far to often in the Bundesliga, the first was
50/50, the second was a blatant dive! And I was supporting Bremen!
Having said that Herzog was excellent again.
Steve
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19.246 | Midweek results | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Thu Apr 29 1993 12:44 | 47 |
19.247 | | ECCGY4::HAIGH | Dyslexia comes in a glass | Thu Apr 29 1993 14:15 | 2 |
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Looks like Bochum are going to do it again!
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19.248 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Thu Apr 29 1993 16:55 | 8 |
19.249 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Thu Apr 29 1993 17:01 | 25 |
19.250 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | find the misspelled sybills ! | Mon May 03 1993 11:23 | 48 |
19.251 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon May 10 1993 12:27 | 55 |
19.252 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon May 24 1993 13:02 | 49 |
19.253 | 4 goals by Yeboah | HAMCL3::PLEWKA | Dschiepie | Tue May 25 1993 13:53 | 9 |
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Heiko,
you didn't mention Yeboah making 4(!) goals at the
5 - 2 away-win of Frankfurt in Uerdingen. As this game is being
cancelled an d now taken as a 2 - 0 for Uerdingen, how will
Yeboahs goals be marked in th etop-scoring list ?
Gerd_
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19.254 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Tue May 25 1993 18:45 | 11 |
| re .-2 (Bundesliga 32nd day)
Did I mention that Yeboah scored 4 of Franfurts 5 goals ?
According to my paper, he will be credidet these goals in the scorers
table, although these goals will not appear in the league table.
(cf .-2, Scorers Table)
Kirsten/Yeboah -> 18 each
Heiko
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19.255 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Tue Jun 01 1993 12:09 | 55 |
19.256 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Tue Jun 01 1993 12:43 | 66 |
19.257 | It's over | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Jun 07 1993 11:52 | 47 |
19.258 | | HAM::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Jun 07 1993 12:04 | 69 |
19.259 | When ???? | CLADA::JMURPHY | It's a Funny Auld game.... | Mon Jun 14 1993 20:28 | 6 |
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When was the last time Bayern Munich won the Bundesliga ,
Also what's the roll of honour...who has won the most Bundesliga etc..
jm
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19.260 | Gullit to Bayern Munich | UTROP1::JANSEN | Reading Blondes have more fun | Tue Jun 15 1993 15:13 | 7 |
| The Dutch press today announced that Ruud Gullit has signed a contract
for Bayern Munich and will join Jan Wouters.
I haven't seen anything yet about prices etc but there were huge pictures
on Gullit in Holland and Germany talking to der Kaiser.
T_
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19.261 | Gullit to Bayern... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Think Imaginary... | Wed Jun 16 1993 10:27 | 12 |
| Gullit signed a 2 year contract. I'm not 100% sure, but I think he
cost Bayern 4-6 Mio. DM. Definitately not more than DM 8 Mio. because
that's all Bayern had to spend (according to newspapers).
I'm sure Gullit will attract a few more spectators next season, but
I believe Bayern would have been better off buying a good striker instead.
They were interested in Karl-Heinz Riedle from Lazio, but couldn't
afford him (or weren't willing to pay what Lazio asked for: app. 14Mio.
DM).
Eduard
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19.262 | still doubts | UTROP1::HANSSEN_J | are you serious ? | Wed Jun 16 1993 15:14 | 9 |
| re-1
It's not yet 100% sure. Gullit has asked some time to think things
over. Before friday he will give his decision. And I don't think it is
such a bad decision from Bayern. Gullit is, in shape, a far more
complete player as Riedle ! If he can throw away his sorrows (?) Bayern
could have a lot of pleasure ! I wished he had signed for Ajax......
John
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19.263 | Imagine Gullit in Lederhosen | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Think Imaginary... | Wed Jun 16 1993 18:03 | 14 |
| Re -1
Thanks for the info. I only quoted what I read in the newspaper.
Surely it is difficult to compare Gullit to Riedle (or viceversa).
Riedle is a pure striker, whereas Gullit is more versatile regarding
the position he is playing.
He definately would be an enrichment for the Bayern team and I wish
he signs, so I would have the opportunity to see him playing live :-).
Btw, what kind of sorrows are you talking about? Do you mean his
injuries or something else?
Eduard
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19.264 | Na, so was...Rudie in Lederhosen..... | UTROP1::HANSSEN_J | are you serious ? | Thu Jun 17 1993 12:25 | 29 |
19.265 | | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Think Imaginary... | Thu Jun 17 1993 17:25 | 12 |
19.266 | | UTROP1::JANSEN | Reading Blondes have more fun | Fri Jun 18 1993 12:15 | 5 |
| Just heard yesterday that the deal is off 'cause Gullit's girlfriend doesn't
want to life in Munich.
T_
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19.267 | more sorrows... | UTROP1::HANSSEN_J | are you serious ? | Fri Jun 18 1993 12:30 | 4 |
| re-1 and those where the sorrows I forget to mention........
John
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19.268 | Another Mrs. Schuster? | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Think Imaginary... | Fri Jun 18 1993 14:27 | 7 |
19.269 | Subbing the great man himself | KERNEL::WITHALLG | Never heard of him | Fri Jun 18 1993 14:45 | 9 |
19.270 | r. 19.259 | UNTADA::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Thu Jul 22 1993 11:56 | 11 |
19.271 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Thu Jul 22 1993 12:58 | 9 |
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As to counting the championships:
The was a German championship before the Bundesliga was
started. Regional leagues' champions played a cup to
determine who was German champion. 1.FC Nuernberg's
10 championships mostly come from that time.
Heiko
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19.272 | Predictions for BL-93/94 | UNTADC::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Thu Jul 22 1993 18:01 | 12 |
19.273 | Outside bet ? | AYOV14::AMOONEY | | Thu Jul 22 1993 21:50 | 22 |
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From the highlights I saw on Sat.1 (every Saturday at 5:00pm GMT),I
reckon that Bor. M'Gladbach must be a good outside bet,considering
their recent run of good form towards the end of the season.So my
predictions (based on TV highlights) would be as follows:-
Champions : Borussia M'Gladbach
EUFA : Bor. Dortmund,Bayern Munich,Werder Bremen and Eintracht
Frankfurt.
Apart for Karl Hienz Reidle (sp?) signing for Dortmund,can you tell me
any other major signings that have taken place in the BL during the
summer ?
Andy.
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19.274 | New(old) stars in German BL | UNTADC::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Fri Jul 23 1993 12:32 | 19 |
19.275 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Fri Jul 23 1993 12:32 | 22 |
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Champions Dortmund
Runners up Bayern
UEFA Frankfurt
Werder
Leverkusen
Cup Winner Hamburg
Relegation Wattenscheid, Leipzig, Duisburg
2.Bundesliga
Promotion St.Pauli, Bochum, Fortuna Koeln
Heiko
Other signings:
Hamburg: Ivanauskas from Vienna
Kostner from Saarbruecken
Frankfurt: Furtok from Hamburg
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19.276 | | ARRODS::OHAGANB | notes from hell | Fri Jul 23 1993 17:57 | 7 |
| Champions Dortmund
Relegated Schalke :^)
Cup Wiiners Rott Weiss Luedenscheid
barry.
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19.277 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Thu Aug 05 1993 15:46 | 37 |
19.278 | Heiko what happened Hertha Bsc Amateurs this time round????? | KBOMFG::TANNER | U2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!! | Thu Aug 05 1993 16:56 | 0 |
19.279 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Aug 05 1993 17:44 | 23 |
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Now this is what I would like some knowledgeable German chap to tell
me. How does this Deutches Pokal work. Muenchen 1860 are also not in
the competition.
It looks to me that the first round, having consisted of 12 games, was
a reducing round to bring down from 76 clubs to 64 and therefore a
number that is manageable for knockout purposes.
Question is ...What does this number consist of and how can an analogy
be drawn against for example the English FA Cup.
Example: F,Sf,Qf,5th,4th,3rd ...3rd round consists of 64 clubs
of which 46 are 1st and 2nd division.
2nd round should therefore consist of (64-46)*2 clubs = 36
1st round should consist of 72 clubs of which 3rd and 4th division
clubs enter (48 clubs) leaving 24 NON-League clubs who go into the
hat for the first round draw....Anybody else care to go further on
this one is most welcome !!!.
Cheers,
Dezzz.
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19.280 | "German Cup Info" | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Fri Aug 06 1993 10:38 | 19 |
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re. -1
This round of the German Cup was only a qualifying round for teams
from 3'rd league and lower.
These teams have qualified first in local matches then getting up
in regional matches to qualify round by round.
At least the teams which qualified got now more atractive
opponents.
You can compare that system with the English FA Cup I think.
Remark: Hope this info helps you on and maybe Heiko will add more
information about the cup.
christian_BVB_Support_Munich
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19.281 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Fri Aug 06 1993 12:21 | 25 |
19.282 | 1860 lost | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Fri Aug 06 1993 13:06 | 6 |
| As far as I remember, 1860 played and was beaten by Bayern Amateure on
one of the first rounds.
Regards,
Margit
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19.283 | Cheers, Margit | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Fri Aug 06 1993 15:07 | 6 |
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Can't be. There has only one round so far and 1860 didn't participate
in that one. According to my local paper, of course.
Heiko
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19.284 | I'm not really sure | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Fri Aug 06 1993 15:55 | 10 |
| Hmmh. My memory is pretty good and I can remember that there was a lost
game against Bayern Amateure which created the newspaper headlines:
1860 missed the chance on the cup.
Could it be that there are qualification games for the amateurs? I'll
try and find out.
Have a good day,
Margit
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19.285 | Emphasis differs..... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Fri Aug 06 1993 16:35 | 23 |
| >Now this is what I would like some knowledgeable German chap to tell
>me. How does this Deutches Pokal work. Muenchen 1860 are also not in
>the competition.
Sorry Margit, I didn't realise you read the conference....I really
meant chap or chapess !
Anyway intersting comments...I'll buy the fact that all teams of the
previous Bundesliga I and II would qualify making 18+24 = 42. All
regional Pokal winners would qualify ( I would presume 10) accumulating
to 52 leaving a figure of 24 'wildcards or other'. Amazing that even
the Annual Kicker Almanak doesn't cover this. But there lies the
different emphasis on Cup Vs League from different countries. In
Germany or Italy buy the sports pages on Monday/Tuesday and a full
country wide coverage of league is covered down to the smallest of
them as against England where its not that intensive. The Cup on the
other hand is a convenient stab at a European place rather than the
revered league title winners.
The English FA Cup is a 'little' different though !!!
Dezzz.
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19.286 | Thanks for being so thoughtful, Des! | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Fri Aug 06 1993 16:52 | 1 |
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19.287 | Now two female fans!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | U2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!! | Fri Aug 06 1993 17:16 | 10 |
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Margit are you knew to this conference or have you just been a reader in the
past?????? No matter its good to see another female in here.
Back to the German cup, Iam really confused... I thought it was similiar to
the FA cup in that every team had a chance to qualify. I was really looking
forward to seeing Hertha's Amateurs play again, they impressed everybody last
season except Ulf Kirstin.
-dave-
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19.288 | | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Fri Aug 06 1993 17:48 | 10 |
| This is probably not the right topic for this, but yes I am fairly new
to the conference. I am just reading, I am a fan (of 1860) and I am
trying to pick up the English football vocabulary.
I am pretty sure that I can tell you more about the German cup on
monday. I see a r e a l expert tonight!
Have a nice weekend,
Margit
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19.289 | 1860 is off | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Mon Aug 09 1993 11:17 | 12 |
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>>Can't be. There has only one round so far and 1860 didn't participate
in that one. According to my local paper, of course.
Yes there was only one (main) first round but as I mentioned before
the teams from the "Amateur" leagues start qualifying just one year
before this round.
I can't remember by which team 1860 was beaten off but it's definitly
true.
christian
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19.290 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Aug 09 1993 12:12 | 40 |
19.291 | German Pokal | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Mon Aug 09 1993 12:53 | 10 |
| Ok, here we go with the German "Pokal" It's exactly the way as pointed
out in note 285 and 289. Bundesliga I and II are in it by default. The
amateurs qualify in a knock out system. These games already take place
during the old season.
Margit
(who is extremely happy about 1860's victory in Stuttgart)
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19.292 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Aug 09 1993 13:00 | 36 |
19.293 | | ROMPY::OHAGANB | Better to reign in hell... | Mon Aug 09 1993 18:06 | 6 |
| That's an unusually low draw count for the first day of
Bundersliga I and again Koln get off to their usual,
impressive start.
barry.
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19.294 | Calling Mr Panes..... | ROMPY::OHAGANB | Better to reign in hell... | Mon Aug 09 1993 18:09 | 2 |
| ROMPY????
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19.295 | | YUPPY::PANES | Its Official - Morale is High | Mon Aug 09 1993 18:23 | 14 |
| <<< Note 19.294 by ROMPY::OHAGANB "Better to reign in hell..." >>>
-< Calling Mr Panes..... >-
> ROMPY????
Yo Bazza,
Its the name of the system.
Hope this helps,
Stuart.....and back to the football
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19.296 | Bremen-Stuttgart protested | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Wed Aug 11 1993 12:47 | 21 |
19.297 | How I saw it... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Think Imaginary... | Wed Aug 11 1993 14:40 | 34 |
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The situation is as follows:
The reason Stuttgart protested was because the free kick wasn't
taken where the foul had occured but app. 7 - 10m to the left.
It may be noted that the ball wasn't moving.
What seemed to have irritated the Stuttgart defense was that
the ref ran to the point where the foul had taken place pointing
in the direction of the Stuttgart goal. I guess the players
were waiting for him to have the ball placed where he was standing,
but when Herzog took the shot, he just looked over to where the
shot had been taken and gave the goal.
As simple as that :-)
go Bremen !! ;-)
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1 - point where ball was lying and goal scored from
2 - point where foul occured and ref was standing
Eduard
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19.298 | Results anyone ? | AYOV14::AMOONEY | | Tue Aug 17 1993 17:01 | 8 |
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Can someone please list the results from last Saturday.I saw Bayern
Munich losing away to Leverkusen,and saw some of Frankfurt - Bremen
game which was 2-2 near to the end.How did it finish ?.The Frankfurt
keeper made a complete blunder for the first goal !!
Andy.
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19.299 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Tue Aug 17 1993 17:28 | 11 |
19.300 | last 2 results | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Wed Aug 18 1993 21:39 | 14 |
19.301 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Aug 23 1993 12:45 | 38 |
19.302 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Aug 23 1993 12:57 | 36 |
19.303 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Wed Aug 25 1993 11:57 | 52 |
19.304 | There's only one Raspo Elmshorn. | ARRODS::OHAGANB | Better to reign in hell... | Wed Aug 25 1993 18:06 | 4 |
| Well, my bet Luedenscheid have gone but at least the marvellously
named Raspo Elmshorn are in with a, erm, fighting chance.
barry.
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19.305 | WARNING: Regional Brag Note | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Thu Aug 26 1993 11:48 | 9 |
|
Raspo ( i.e. Rasensport) Elmshorn are out as well. Loast 3:1 to
Eintracht Haiger.
That's indeedy very sad, as Elmshorn qualified as Hamburg Cup winner
and Elmshorn is my girlfriends' birthplace, too.
(And Michael Stich's hometown)
Heiko
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19.306 | Some more results... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | The final countdown... | Thu Aug 26 1993 13:05 | 23 |
19.307 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Aug 30 1993 12:08 | 35 |
19.308 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Holsteiner Jung! | Mon Aug 30 1993 12:08 | 36 |
19.309 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:13 | 1 |
| Anyone know the latest scores ?
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19.310 | | KBOMFG::TANNER | U2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!! | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:54 | 25 |
| Heiko I'll see if I remember them correctly
Gladbach 3-2 Schalke
Kaiserslautern 3-1 Nuernberg
Bremen 1-5 Duisburg
Frankfurt 3-1 Karlsruhe
Yep that's right... Highlights of the evening were Duisburgs away win to
champions Bremen. Bremen let in more goals at home in this one game than the
whole of last season.... second highlight was Johnny Okotos (sp) third goal for
Frankfurt, where he twisted and turned about 10 times before he put the ball in
the net. This will be goal of the season watch out... The ZDF reporter said it
was one of the most exciting goals he has seen in 30 years of reporting. Iam
sure SAT1 will show it again tonight Heiko..... Frankfurt look good, the other
two goals were scored by Bein. Nuernberg look like makor relegation material..
Bremen will recover, they play Munich next thursday in Bremen....
regards.....
-dave-
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19.311 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | | Thu Sep 02 1993 15:16 | 35 |
19.312 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | S.C.S. | Mon Sep 06 1993 12:31 | 43 |
19.313 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | S.C.S. | Mon Sep 06 1993 12:43 | 36 |
19.314 | 1st half of 7th day | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Wed Sep 08 1993 13:02 | 6 |
19.315 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Thu Sep 09 1993 16:44 | 39 |
19.316 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Fri Sep 10 1993 11:54 | 31 |
19.317 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Mon Sep 20 1993 12:18 | 50 |
19.318 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Mon Sep 20 1993 12:18 | 37 |
19.319 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Mon Sep 27 1993 13:40 | 50 |
19.320 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Mon Sep 27 1993 13:47 | 37 |
19.321 | Uwe Hartenburger | GVA02::LUANDA::Lainsbury | | Fri Oct 08 1993 16:27 | 7 |
| Can any German football fans tell me about Uwe Hartenburger ?
He has just signed for Reading in Div.2 from Uerdingen (sp?).
Do you know of him ?
Thanks
Andy
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19.322 | | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Demdatdeseandose..... | Fri Oct 08 1993 16:47 | 3 |
| Germany played a team made up of non-German nationals who play their
league football in Germany the other night. 2-0 to the Auslanders both
scored by Chapuisat.
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19.323 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Mon Oct 11 1993 13:00 | 42 |
19.324 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | zsunju | Mon Oct 11 1993 14:17 | 37 |
19.325 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Oct 18 1993 11:11 | 41 |
19.326 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Tue Oct 19 1993 12:59 | 37 |
19.327 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Oct 25 1993 12:22 | 40 |
19.328 | Going down, down, down | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Oct 25 1993 12:32 | 37 |
19.329 | Karlsruhe | ROMCSA::BIANCHINI | Da qui messere si domina la valle | Mon Oct 25 1993 14:09 | 6 |
| What about the Karlsruhe? I saw on the television that the match has
been postponed (or suspended?). Is this true?
When it will be played?
Pino
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19.330 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Oct 25 1993 15:34 | 5 |
| Yes, I forgot to mention.
It has been postponed to Nov. 9/10.
Heiko
|
19.331 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Wed Oct 27 1993 13:16 | 11 |
19.332 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Nov 01 1993 10:41 | 41 |
19.333 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Nov 01 1993 10:52 | 37 |
19.334 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Can't think of a better one | Mon Nov 01 1993 10:55 | 16 |
19.335 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | | Mon Nov 08 1993 10:28 | 42 |
19.336 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | | Mon Nov 08 1993 10:41 | 38 |
19.337 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Wed Nov 10 1993 15:33 | 22 |
19.338 | Own goal of the year... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Counting the days... | Wed Nov 10 1993 16:01 | 29 |
19.339 | Re last | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Wed Nov 10 1993 19:40 | 5 |
|
Ed that looks like a ballet dancer!!!! How many beers did ya have yesterday
evening????!!!!
-dave-
|
19.340 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Nov 15 1993 10:30 | 45 |
19.341 | | HAMCL3::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Nov 15 1993 10:30 | 38 |
19.342 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Nov 22 1993 11:29 | 50 |
19.343 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Nov 22 1993 11:39 | 41 |
19.344 | Go '60 | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Nov 22 1993 14:26 | 5 |
|
Here's hoping they do...this guy Pacult was on the scoresheet again.
Shame he's only on loan...
|
19.345 | Werder Bremen ill | PLAYER::LESOIL | | Mon Nov 22 1993 22:54 | 4 |
|
Bremen doesn't look very good just before their firt Champion's
league match against Porto. They just keep on loosing points.
|
19.346 | Almost for free! | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Tue Nov 23 1993 11:44 | 5 |
| 1860 has the option to buy Pacult after the season - for 70.000 Marks,
if I remember right. So that's what they'll probably do.
Margit
|
19.347 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Nov 23 1993 13:15 | 4 |
|
70.000 DM !!!! Hardly enough for a new Mercedes....
|
19.348 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Tue Nov 23 1993 13:33 | 7 |
19.349 | Pacult is a real asset | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Tue Nov 23 1993 14:40 | 9 |
| Peter Pacult is from Austria, played for the national Austrian team.
Age: still 33. So far he scored 10 goals this season. But I think his
most important feature is his experience and the confidence he brought
into the team. He turned out to be one of their most valuable (if not
the most valuable) players. I think, 1860 was more than lucky to get
him for so little money.
Margit
|
19.350 | His old club | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Tue Nov 23 1993 14:42 | 4 |
| Almost forgot, he played for Stahl Linz before he came to Munich.
Margit
|
19.351 | | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Tue Nov 23 1993 16:30 | 12 |
|
Margit I hope they can maintain their form, but at the moment their looking
good with a 5-6 point cushion to 4th place. It would be great to see them play
and beat that other team in Munich.
Did anybody see "Talk in Turm" a few weeks back with Uli Hoeness, the trainer
from Freiburg, and a few other chaps from DFB etc???? Hoeness is a real jerk,
he told the Freiburg trainer that they wouldn't survive, and that their stadium
isn't big enough for First Division footie... I like Ribbeck he has a very honest
personality but Hoeness is just one bad ass... Just ask Lothar Maetthaus.. He
attacked his wife verbally a few months ago...
-dave-
|
19.352 | Their time will come.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Nov 23 1993 17:39 | 7 |
|
I would say most of Germany are hoping the Loewen get promoted. In fact
it would be quite nice for Bayern to get stuffed at the Grunwalder
Stadium and Hoeness to comment on their Stadium...That club Bayern is
just toooooo arrogant.
Dezzz.
|
19.353 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Tue Nov 23 1993 17:44 | 8 |
19.354 | Koeln have potential... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Nov 23 1993 17:52 | 9 |
|
I was looking at the table in the Kicker there yesterday, and the team
that really surprises me was Fortuna Koeln. Their away record is second
to none but have only picked up 4 out of 16 home points. A good home
run coupled with their outstanding away form could put them in
contention...after all we're not even halfway through this league
yet...
Dezzz.
|
19.355 | Tony Woodcock????? | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Tue Nov 23 1993 17:57 | 3 |
|
Does anybody know if Tony Woodcock has still any involvement in the club?? He
used to play for them, and I also believe he was trainer for a while....
|
19.356 | 1860 | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Wed Nov 24 1993 11:33 | 14 |
19.357 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Nov 29 1993 12:48 | 44 |
19.358 | Freiburg stuffs Bayern... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Tue Nov 30 1993 12:21 | 11 |
|
Well Iam sure Hoeness feels a bit like a Jackass after Bayern got stuffed by
the team he was telling everybody wouldn't survive in the league, Freiburg. Only
3 weeks ago he was attacking their trainer in a talk show stating that their
stadium was too small and they wouldn't and couldn't survive in the top league.
I wish Frankfurt would stop screwing around and get back on wining ways, its
hard to believe they lost their last three games with the same scoreline 0-3 and
their still at the top. Ah well the same will happen Man Utd.....;)
-dave-
|
19.359 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Thu Dec 02 1993 10:58 | 16 |
19.360 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Dec 06 1993 10:55 | 43 |
19.361 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Dec 06 1993 10:56 | 35 |
19.362 | Frankfurt is off | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:09 | 9 |
| I think Frankfurt is off and will not come back.
So there are some teams which can make it.
Dortmund ? Bremen ? Bayern ? Hamburg ? Leverkusen ? or
Moenchengladbach ?
I don`t know but from the players power i hope it`ll be
Borussia Dortmund ...
christian_BVB_support_Munich
|
19.363 | I don't know about Dortmund | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:56 | 8 |
| I lost faith in Dortmund. Compared to last year they are
lacking - what should I call it - "team spirit". Maybe they
shouldn't have sold Rummenigge after all. Leverkusen looks
pretty good to me (ask Stepi!). Let's see what happens next
weekend.
Margit
|
19.364 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Wed Dec 08 1993 11:11 | 26 |
19.365 | Don't loose your faith in Dortmund !!!! | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Fri Dec 10 1993 15:42 | 21 |
| .363
>>Maybe they shouldn't have sold Rummenigge after all
Yes that's right I think they're missing a brilliant midfield
player. Now somebody could say that there is Sammer, but
Sammer in my opinion is brilliant in more defensive lines but
isn't a man like 'Bein' or 'Schuster' ...
>>Leverkusen looks pretty good to me
Yes maybe at the moment ...
But this team has no face and in the end they will become a position
between 4-6.
Don't loose your faith in Dortmund !!!!
Next year after the winterpause they will go for the champion.
And remember we have the best fans in the world (ole hier kommt
der BVB ...)
christian_BVB_Support_Munich
|
19.366 | Whatever happened to....Anthony Yeboah ? | SSMPRD::AMOONEY | | Fri Dec 10 1993 15:45 | 13 |
|
Does anyone know what has happened to Anthony Yeboah of Frankfurt ??? I
haven't been watching the highlights on Sat 1 recently,but following
the updates in this note,it looks like he hasn't scored since August or
September.I would assume he is injured,does anyone know ?
I also see that Borussia M'gladbach have started their late run in
the league a few months earlier this season.What are the fixtures for
this weekend ?
Andy.
|
19.367 | Anthony Yeboah... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Counting the days... | Fri Dec 10 1993 16:26 | 7 |
| Anthony Yeboah tore the ligaments of his knee and won't be back
until beginning of next year (well, soon ;-)). He has already
started training. Frankfurt surely will be happy when he's back again.
They have been doing quite bad since his injury.
Eduard (also looking forward for his comeback because he's a brilliant
striker)
|
19.368 | What a choir :-) | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Fri Dec 10 1993 17:45 | 7 |
| >365 "the best fans"
At least they are the most musical ones. Their singing is incredibly.
I think that's why Brondby lost in the end.
Margit
|
19.369 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Dec 13 1993 11:56 | 43 |
19.370 | Yeboah the man.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Dec 13 1993 12:28 | 9 |
|
I noticed in the Man Utd note the references of one player making the
team tick...Yeboah must rank as THE one for Frankfurt...since his
injury they've done almost nothing apart from get into the Quarter
finals of the UEFA cup.
VERY tight in the Bundesliga...
Dezzz.
|
19.371 | re .364 | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Mon Dec 13 1993 14:02 | 14 |
| re .364
Yes Dortmund played very poor and mediocre
this season, but I think all teams in the
german BL played mediocre this BL-season !!
Exception is Fankfurt which played some
brilliant matches in the first BL-rounds.
Or did you see an excellent match from
Munich, Bremen, Stuttgart ...
or by Leverkusen ??
We have mostly a balanced season ...
christian
|
19.372 | flash from this week | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Thu Dec 16 1993 10:54 | 16 |
19.373 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Thu Jan 06 1994 12:13 | 6 |
|
Uwe Fuchs (Kaiserslautern) is on loan to Dynamo Dresden.
Drago Pancev (Milan?) is on loan to VfB Leipzig. REALLY!
Heiko
|
19.374 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Wish on Space Hardware | Mon Jan 24 1994 12:41 | 18 |
19.375 | MSV: first *ever* leader with negative goaldifference | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Mon Feb 21 1994 16:18 | 42 |
19.376 | stange kicked off | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Thu Feb 24 1994 18:18 | 8 |
| Stange kicked of.
As a result of innumerable defeats in recent games
coach Stange from Leipzig had to sign of.
New coach will become J.Sundermann, former coach
of VFB Stuttgart.
christian
|
19.377 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Tue Mar 01 1994 13:56 | 47 |
19.378 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Mon Mar 07 1994 14:50 | 41 |
19.379 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Thu Mar 10 1994 11:16 | 6 |
| German Cup Semifinals
Rot Weiss Essen - Tennis Borussia Berlin 2:0
Dynamo Dresden - SV Werder Bremen 0:2
Heiko
|
19.380 | Crowd trouble ??? | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Mar 10 1994 11:34 | 11 |
|
Heiko,
I was switching between RTL and the England game last night...what was
all the commotion with about 10 minutes to go..it had visions of when
Red-Star were playing Dresden a few years back and the match got called
off...
Regards,
Dezzz.
|
19.381 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Thu Mar 10 1994 17:26 | 4 |
|
I have no idea, Dezzz. I've got the score from ARD Videotext.
Heiko
|
19.382 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Mon Mar 21 1994 10:54 | 42 |
19.383 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Mon Mar 21 1994 10:54 | 38 |
19.384 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | The city - a wasting disease | Mon Mar 28 1994 12:07 | 44 |
19.385 | Does anyone know the score of the Werder Bremen v Porto game? ;-) | RDGENG::YERKESS | bring me sunshine in your smile | Thu Mar 31 1994 18:07 | 0 |
19.386 | WB wuz robbed - the fourth goal was definitely offside ;-) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Thu Mar 31 1994 18:10 | 8 |
| I think I read somewhere else in here that Werder Bremen cruised
through this game winning it by 11 - 1.
Or was it 0-5 in favour of Porto (that would explain all the Portuguese
exclamations in here today) ;-)
Jerry.
|
19.387 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Tue Apr 05 1994 13:03 | 7 |
|
WARNING!
Next note is on another topic.
Heiko
|
19.388 | :-) | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Tue Apr 05 1994 13:04 | 5 |
|
re .-1
It's about time, too
|
19.389 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Tue Apr 05 1994 13:12 | 42 |
19.390 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Tue Apr 05 1994 13:33 | 37 |
19.391 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | | Wed Apr 06 1994 12:38 | 16 |
19.392 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Mon Apr 11 1994 12:30 | 57 |
19.393 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Mon Apr 11 1994 12:45 | 37 |
19.394 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Fri Apr 15 1994 11:11 | 16 |
19.395 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Mon Apr 25 1994 16:03 | 33 |
19.396 | St.Pauli vs. 1860 today live on DSF | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Mon Apr 25 1994 16:05 | 36 |
19.397 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Mon May 02 1994 15:25 | 34 |
19.398 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Mon May 02 1994 15:26 | 37 |
19.399 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | | Wed May 04 1994 12:13 | 71 |
19.400 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 09 1994 12:23 | 34 |
19.401 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Mon May 09 1994 12:47 | 2 |
|
Yahoo....Freiburg stay up!!
|
19.402 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 09 1994 12:54 | 37 |
19.403 | narrow margin | PLAYER::LESOIL | | Mon May 09 1994 16:13 | 8 |
19.404 | It was close..... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Mon May 09 1994 17:43 | 9 |
19.405 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 17 1994 21:28 | 46 |
19.406 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 17 1994 21:32 | 13 |
19.407 | | FRAIS::EDDF10::BETHKE | IST X-Industry DTN: (7)861-3 938 | Wed May 18 1994 13:36 | 17 |
19.408 | Shouldn't it be 3 slots ?? | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Wed May 18 1994 19:38 | 5 |
|
Eh Hieko.....I notice that you have 4 (FOUR) promotion slots from
the 2. Bundesliga ...Do you know something I don't ????
Dezzz.
|
19.409 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Thu May 19 1994 11:53 | 16 |
19.410 | bad day for St.Pauli supporters (so far) | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 24 1994 16:40 | 43 |
19.411 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 24 1994 16:42 | 15 |
19.412 | transfer rumours | UNTADI::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Thu May 26 1994 13:58 | 10 |
|
Trnansfer rumours from the german press:
- Andy Moeller and Julio Caesar from Juve will
sign in Dortmund ??
- Juergen Kohler also from Juve will sign in Munich
cK
|
19.413 | | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Thu May 26 1994 16:31 | 9 |
| > - Juergen Kohler also from Juve will sign in Munich
Good news - TSV will need to strengthen their squad to do well in the
Bundesliga!!
But more to the point - what is Bayern's team going to look like next year?
I've lost track of all of their signings. And where's the money coming from?
grahame
|
19.414 | Bayern Munich | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Fri May 27 1994 16:31 | 27 |
| > I've lost track of all of their signings.
And where's the money coming from?
Looks like a strong team for the next round.
New players are Papin (french striker from Milan),
Oliver Kahn (goalie from Karlsruhe),
Juergen Kohler (defense from Juve but that's only rumour)
and eventual Andy Herzog (austrian midfield player from Bremen).
And new coach is Giuseppe Trapatoni (Juve)
I think there is only one reason for these transfers,
Munich wants to win the 'Champions League'.
Don't know where the money comes from but they have a good
management which can use funds from former times. Also they
have a strong sponsor (Opel) which supports them with money.
We can expect high tension for the next BL-season.
Don't disregard Dortmund !!!!
That's all I know
cK
|
19.415 | | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Fri May 27 1994 21:19 | 9 |
| > <<< Note 19.414 by UNTADH::KRUEGER "I lost (my mind)" >>>
> -< Bayern Munich >-
> Don't disregard Dortmund !!!!
Ho ho, I think I remember that line from a year ago! But Bayern are certainly
trying this year - it'll be interesting.
g
|
19.416 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 30 1994 14:13 | 39 |
19.417 | Alain Sutter???!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Mon May 30 1994 15:34 | 13 |
19.418 | | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Mon May 30 1994 18:35 | 7 |
| > Zweite Bundesliga, 36th day
> Essen - TB Berlin 4:6
So that's why they're called Tennis Borussia?!!
g
|
19.419 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 31 1994 14:13 | 25 |
19.420 | ... the midfield | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Tue May 31 1994 15:47 | 5 |
|
Schupp Sutter Scholl(Sternkopf) Ziege
christian
|
19.421 | Who loves Uerdingen anyway ? | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Wed Jun 01 1994 14:34 | 12 |
19.422 | I don't! | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Wed Jun 01 1994 16:35 | 1 |
|
|
19.423 | Nor me !!! | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Wed Jun 01 1994 17:15 | 1 |
|
|
19.424 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Jun 06 1994 13:00 | 49 |
19.425 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Jun 14 1994 15:20 | 66 |
19.426 | transfer news ... | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Tue Jun 21 1994 15:00 | 9 |
| transfer news from Dortmund...
The transfer of Moeller and Caesar is perfect.
They come for 11.4 Mio DM.
And we've still lots of money ...
christian_BVB_support_munich
|
19.427 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Aug 15 1994 13:36 | 82 |
19.428 | Dortmund -> Champion | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Wed Aug 31 1994 14:09 | 9 |
19.429 | Pred: Borrusia Dortmund....5 Motherell......0 | KIRKTN::JJACK | Two-Nil.......to the Celtic | Wed Aug 31 1994 14:13 | 2 |
|
Wait till the mighty Motherwell get you in the UEFA Cup
|
19.430 | pred BVB - Motherwell | UNTADI::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Wed Sep 07 1994 11:47 | 6 |
|
BVB - Motherwell 2 - 1
Motherwell - BVB 0 - 3
cK
|
19.431 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Sep 20 1994 16:54 | 31 |
19.432 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Sep 20 1994 16:54 | 30 |
19.433 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Sep 26 1994 14:46 | 37 |
19.434 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Sep 26 1994 14:47 | 46 |
19.435 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Oct 10 1994 12:38 | 36 |
19.436 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Wed Nov 02 1994 12:31 | 23 |
19.437 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Wed Nov 02 1994 12:31 | 23 |
19.438 | | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Wed Nov 02 1994 13:43 | 20 |
19.439 | Bye Bye Ewald??? | ULYSSE::VANGUMPEL | Blondes have more fun ... | Thu Nov 03 1994 20:24 | 4 |
| There is a rumor, that Ewald Lienen, the coach of MSV Duisburg has
been replaced by Bongartz. Could somebody from Germany confirm this?
Frank
|
19.440 | As expected | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Fri Nov 04 1994 11:28 | 4 |
| True! The change took place last tuesday.
Margit
|
19.441 | | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Mon Nov 28 1994 18:22 | 16 |
19.442 | | RTOEU::RDELANEY | A knob of butter..... | Wed Nov 30 1994 11:28 | 2 |
| Trappatoni to leave Bayern Munich (or already has done) and become the
new Italian National manager.
|
19.443 | | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Wed Nov 30 1994 12:08 | 4 |
| Yesterday Trappatoni has been confirmed till next summer . Conference
of Bayern manager Rummenige.
Heribert
|
19.444 | | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Wed Dec 07 1994 16:52 | 12 |
| Dortmund - La Coruna 3:1 (0:0,1:0,1:1)
(first match 0:1)
Today I wish Salzburg a litte bit of luck, Dortmund had yesterday.
After 90 minutes Dortmund - La Coruna 1:0 (goal: Zorc)
Two bar shots of La Coruna in this 90 minutes.
1:1 Alfredo
2:1 Riedle (La Coruna in next round)
3:1 Ricken (119.min)
Heribert
|
19.445 | Any news ? | SSMPRD::AMOONEY | | Thu Dec 22 1994 09:57 | 10 |
|
Can anyone tell me what the latest news is on the guys that got put up
for transfer by Eintracht Franfurt,and what actually happened in the
training incident for this to happen ?
Gaudino has been signed up by Manchester City until the end of the
season,but what about Yeboah and Okacha (sp?).I can't believe that
Frankfurt would want to sell Yeboah !
Andy.
|
19.446 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Thu Dec 22 1994 13:44 | 18 |
|
As I recall it:
Jupp Heynckes, coach of Eintracht (ex Bilbao), is a man who sees
discipline as a footballer's most important virtue. Gaudino,
Okocha and Yeboah apparently disagreed and put intuition above all.
For some reason or another, the three of them (or maybe the entire
team) had to do an extra training. G,O and Y didn't actually decline to
take part but took a day off due to 'illness'. As a consequence to this
behaviour, Heynckes removed them from the team, which eventually beat
Hamburg 2-0 nonetheless. A week later or so, they were put on the
transfer list.
Another week later Gaudino was taken to custody right after leaving
the well-known Gottschalk Late-Night talkshow. He was released the
day after, officials would not issue a dementi when asked if he had
confessed. Something with stolen cars and (maybe) insurances.
Heiko
|
19.447 | He must have changed.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Wed Dec 28 1994 19:19 | 5 |
|
Huh...he didn't seem to be a great disciplinarian whilst at Bayern
Munich...!!!
Dezzz.
|
19.448 | Uwe Fochs | WEAR::BODDY | Slaven was born offside !!! | Mon Jan 23 1995 12:34 | 10 |
|
Any info. on Uwe Fochs of Kaiserslautern .
He is currently on loan to the English 1st Division leaders
Middlesbrough .
ta ,
Bill
|
19.449 | Not from Kaiserslautern! | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Mon Jan 23 1995 12:57 | 9 |
19.450 | Loan | WEAR::BODDY | Slaven was born offside !!! | Tue Jan 24 1995 15:05 | 5 |
|
Wasn't he just on loan to Fortuna Koln ?
Bill
|
19.451 | Correct | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Thu Jan 26 1995 11:42 | 14 |
| Hello Bill,
You are right about Uwe Fuchs. Presently he belongs to 1. FC
Kaiserslautern and is on loan with Fortuna Koeln. I looked
into the records for you. Uwe Fuchs (age 29) has been around
quite a bit. During his career he played for 11 clubs
amongst them VfB Stuttgart, 1 FC Kaiserslautern (2x),
Fortuna Koeln (2x), 1 FC Koeln, Fortuna Duesseldorf. In 65
Bundesliga matches he has made 14 goals.
Regards
Margit
|
19.452 | the german reds ... | UNTADH::KRUEGER | I lost (my mind) | Mon Feb 13 1995 11:31 | 11 |
|
As everybody knew for months becomes now truth.
Trappatoni is leaving and Rehagel from Werder will come
for the next saison.
But what's their aim ? I saw them last saturday in a friendly
against Mannheim and they played not as a team that will neither
stop Dortmund or reach the next round in the Champions League !!!
chris
|
19.453 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Feb 27 1995 15:13 | 38 |
19.454 | | HBFDT2::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Feb 27 1995 15:13 | 32 |
19.455 | German League / Austrias player | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Mon Feb 27 1995 16:49 | 11 |
| It's interesting, the Austrian players in Germany Anton Polster (Koeln,
3rd in scorerlist) and Andreas Herzog (Werder Bremen, next year Bayern Munich)
are in the Top Team of Franz Beckenbauer.
Austria Salzburg has defeated the German teams E.Francfurt and Karlruher SC
last year in the European cup. Austria Wien has defeated Bayer Leverkusen
last week 3:0 and 3:1 - but in Europe there is only one national-team
behind Austria !!
Heribert
|
19.456 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Mar 06 1995 13:17 | 36 |
19.457 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Mar 06 1995 13:19 | 31 |
19.458 | | RTOEU::MBOHNER | FCBsupporter | Wed Mar 15 1995 17:58 | 30 |
19.459 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Mar 21 1995 14:16 | 38 |
19.460 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Mar 21 1995 14:17 | 32 |
19.461 | Many fouls of KSC | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Tue Mar 21 1995 15:03 | 5 |
| Interesting game:
1860 Muenchen - Karlsruher SC 1:0
3 Red cards for Karlsuhe !!! (all fouls)
|
19.462 | Balakov at Stuttgart ? | LISTIM::FERREIRA_L | | Tue Mar 21 1995 16:09 | 7 |
|
Balakov , international bulgarian player , now playing at Sporting
(Portugal) is said to be a Stuttgart player for the next 3 years.
Can anyone confirm this ?
Luis.
|
19.463 | Perhaps, but not sure. | RTOEU::MBOHNER | FCBsupporter | Tue Mar 21 1995 17:35 | 6 |
| re. -1
It's not sure, but he can be one player, who come to Stuttgart to
replace Dunga (he will play next season in Japan).
markusFCB_if_it's_perfect_I_will_write_it_in_this_topic
|
19.464 | Confirmed. | LISTIM::FERREIRA_L | | Thu Mar 23 1995 12:53 | 6 |
|
Balakov will be a Stuttgart player for the next 2 years.The deal was
done yesterday.
Luis.
|
19.465 | No, surely not...... | SUBURB::RUTHERFORDI | Alan Rough's Greatest Slips | Thu Mar 23 1995 12:59 | 4 |
| Is that Oojanicka Balakov, the famous well-endowed Ballet dancer ?
Ian.
|
19.466 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Fri Mar 24 1995 12:44 | 8 |
|
Result from Tuesday ...
1860 Muenchen 1-1 Bayer Uerdigen....
Looks like the long hard struggle has begun for the Loewen...
Dezzz.
|
19.467 | The weekend of Toni Polster | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Tue Apr 04 1995 13:57 | 34 |
| Because of that the FCB supporters are very quiet this week, some informations
from German league (24th) with Austrian touch.
The games with Austrians:
FC Koeln - Bayern Munich 3:1
Toni Polster (2 goals, 1 prepared)
Hamburg - Bremen 0:0
1860 Muenchen - Dreseden 3:1 ( I hope the Lions will be next year in the
Bundesliga again)
other games:
Dortmund - Uerdingen 3:1
Gladbach - Freiburg 1:2
Frankfurt - Schalke 04 0:3
(The end of coach Jupp Heynckes)
Stuttgart - Leverkusen 4:2
Duisburg - Bochum 3:1
Kaiserslautern-Karlsruhe 0:0
1. Dortmund 24/ 36 pts
2. Bremen 24/ 35 pts
3. Kaiserslautern 24/ 33
.
6. Bayern Muenchen 24/ 30
.
10.Koeln 24/ 23
.
15.1860 Muenchen 24/ 16
Heribert
|
19.468 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Apr 10 1995 20:20 | 37 |
19.469 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Apr 10 1995 20:21 | 32 |
19.470 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Apr 11 1995 11:50 | 12 |
| Another good weekend for the Austrian playsers in Germany.
Toni Polster shot the 3:1 for FC Koeln. Now Polster is 1st in the scorer
table equal with 3 others.
Andreas Herzog shot the 2:0 for Bremen. Bremen is 2nd with same points
as Dortmund.
This could be a dream-finish of the two Austrians : One Champion, the other
top scorer.
Heribert
|
19.471 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Apr 11 1995 13:48 | 18 |
19.472 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Apr 11 1995 14:27 | 28 |
| Heiko,
Our team is class D, I think. The reasons are, that the players don't
show good performance (Herzog has played in the last years 1-2 good games
in the Austrian team, and more bad one) - why ?
After the death of the great coach Ernst Happel, Austrian people and players
had the wish , Didi Constantini should be the new coach. Constantini
has learned as co-coach of Happel. The alternative has been Otto Baric
(A.Salzburg).
But the Austrian industry (football president Mauhart is president of the
Austrian tobacco) has decided for Herbert Prohaska (coach of Austria Memphis
/Memphis= an Austrian sort of tobacco).
Austrian spectators did not visit the games, the players did not like to play
in this team. For the players of Salzburg the EC has been more important than
any game of the team. I believe this situation should not be possible in Germany.
So the team playes in the last 3 years only bad games and not as an unit.
Their is a great difference between the players of Vienna and "the West"
(Salzburg and Innsbruck) nad following troubles in the team.
I think the individual players are better than our team, I hope for a new
team coach after the probably defeat in Ireland.
Heribert
|
19.473 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue Apr 11 1995 15:35 | 6 |
|
Well good luck then.
Unless we meet again in the World Cup quarterfinals !!! :-)
Heiko
|
19.474 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Apr 11 1995 17:08 | 6 |
| Thanks,
" Unless we meet again in the World Cup quarterfinals !!! :-)"
Not each WC is Cordoba. ("lang,lang ist's her")
Heribert
|
19.475 | Cup semi-final | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Wed Apr 12 1995 13:43 | 17 |
| Cup semi-final:
FC Koeln - Wolfsburg (2.Liga) 0:1 (0:1)
goal: 20.min Reich
It has been the first time I have seen in TV a complete game of the FC Koeln.
I have been curious of the dream duo Labbadia with our Austrian Polster.
But I have seen nothing of Polster/Labbadia !
Congratulation to Wolfsburg, they have reached the final with good
performance.
The second in final should be the winner Moenchengladbach - Kaiserslautern,
I think.
Heribert
|
19.476 | Trapatoni and the rules of German football | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Apr 18 1995 17:07 | 17 |
| Eintracht Frankfurt - FC Bayern Munich 2:5 (2:1)
By God, I am no FCB supporter , but the football rules in Germany are silly !!!
Because of manpower problems (no healthy 11 players) Bayern had to play
with 3 young players from their amateur team. In the 72th minute Hamann,
the 4th player from the amateur team , was changed in (other reserve players
have been Sutter, aso).
After the game their has been a protest, only 3 amateurs are allowed to play
in the same team in Germany's Bundesliga.
Probably result : 2:0 for Frankfurt
This would be not a correct result for football (my opinion).
Heribert
|
19.477 | Strange | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Apr 18 1995 17:55 | 14 |
|
Yes, on the surface it does seem a stupid rule....alongside teams not
being allowed to field players under a certain age more than x times a
season.
I don't know whether it is to protect the actual amatuer players
themselves or the fact that here are Bayern Muenchen, one of the most
professional football clubs in the world and they're dishing up 4
amatuers....who get nothing for playing ??
Anybody out there care to explain the background to 'why' these rules
exist ??
Dezzz.
|
19.478 | Sounds funny | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Wed Apr 19 1995 11:55 | 5 |
| According to Abendzeitung: To prevent dumping prices in transfers
(whatever this means).
Margit
|
19.479 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Apr 24 1995 12:52 | 40 |
19.480 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Apr 24 1995 12:52 | 32 |
19.481 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 02 1995 11:51 | 40 |
19.482 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 02 1995 11:51 | 33 |
19.483 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 02 1995 11:54 | 26 |
19.484 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue May 02 1995 12:26 | 6 |
|
Heiko,
Didn't get the Kicker this morning...did Bielefeld drop a
point..???
Dezzz.
|
19.485 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 02 1995 12:29 | 9 |
|
See ARD/ZDF videotext pages 260-263 :-)
It's all from memory.
(apart from Regionalliga Nord, that's on my Hamburger Morgenpost).
I can also provide Oberliga Hamburg/Schleswig-Holstein and Verbandsliga
Hamburg, but thats all)
Heiko
|
19.486 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue May 02 1995 12:43 | 7 |
|
Not to worry Heiko...I must have a coffee break anyway.....
'you looking forward to visiting the 60'er in the Bundesliga next
season???
Dezzz.
|
19.487 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 02 1995 14:20 | 16 |
19.488 | Green/White leader in Germany and Austria | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Mon May 08 1995 14:26 | 21 |
| Hit of the 29th round
Werder Bremen - Borr. Dortmund 3:1 (0:0)
In the first halftime Dortmund has been the better team, but had only 2 chances
for a goal. Bremen played with one forward.
The second half: the show of our Austrian Herzog and "Super Mario" Basler.
54. minute Herzog gets the ball from the middle line, sprint to the goal of
Dortmund, 17 meters before, a dream shot - 1:0
59. min: Herzog's tackling from the cornerline , pass to the middle,
volley goal of Basler 2:0
85.: A shot of Basler 30 meters away with the help of Dortmund's Sammer 3:0
89. 3:1 penalty Moeller
A hard game (2 red and six yellow cards), fair comments of both coaches after
the game (Hitzfeld and Rehagel are both much sympathical)
Now Werder Bremen is leader in Germany , one point in front of Dortmund.
Heribert
|
19.489 | No I don't mean Hibs ... | AYOV29::MTHEODORESON | Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb | Mon May 08 1995 14:29 | 5 |
|
> -< Green/White leader in Germany and Austria >-
Ah, if only it was the same in Scotland too ....
|
19.490 | | RTOVC0::DCASSIDY | | Mon May 08 1995 15:11 | 7 |
|
>A hard game (2 red and six yellow cards), fair comments of both coaches after
>the game (Hitzfeld and Rehagel are both much sympathical)
sympathical ??? do you mean likable
Dezzz.
|
19.491 | | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Mon May 08 1995 16:21 | 4 |
| sympathical ??? do you mean likable
- I think this is the correct word .
Heribert
|
19.492 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 08 1995 19:43 | 37 |
19.493 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 08 1995 19:44 | 35 |
19.494 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 08 1995 19:46 | 29 |
19.495 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 15 1995 12:45 | 37 |
19.496 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 15 1995 12:46 | 35 |
19.497 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon May 15 1995 12:48 | 31 |
19.498 | Come on you Dortmund! | YUPPY::OHAGANB | give her the gun | Mon May 22 1995 17:17 | 4 |
| I believe Bremen won 6-0 at the weekend and Dortmund got a draw? Do
these sides meet on the run in?
barry.
|
19.499 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Mon May 22 1995 19:27 | 7 |
| Bremen-Uerdingen 6:1
Freiburg-Dortmund 1:1
Bremen 2 points in front of Dortmund.
Heribert
|
19.500 | SNARF! | CHEFS::GEORGEM | Cannibalise Legalbis | Mon May 22 1995 19:32 | 1 |
| Ah, sorry. wrong conf.
|
19.501 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 23 1995 16:09 | 24 |
19.502 | | AYOV29::MTHEODORESON | Cop for that, our kid | Tue May 23 1995 16:48 | 9 |
19.503 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Tue May 23 1995 17:30 | 23 |
19.504 | Is he still the national goalkeeper ??? | MASALA::GMCKEE | | Tue May 23 1995 19:05 | 5 |
|
There was some paper talk (Sunday Mail) at the weekend about
Bodo Illgner moving to Rangers. Has there been any similar
stories in Germany ???
|
19.505 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst - DTN: 711.414 | Mon May 29 1995 14:48 | 37 |
19.506 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst - DTN: 711.414 | Mon May 29 1995 14:49 | 55 |
19.507 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Fri Jun 09 1995 13:51 | 12 |
19.508 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Jun 12 1995 14:02 | 43 |
19.509 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Jun 12 1995 14:04 | 55 |
19.510 | | YUPPY::OHAGANB | Meals on Wheels of Steel | Mon Jun 12 1995 17:13 | 25 |
|
(last match: (A)way, (H)ome)
> 1. SV Werder Bremen 69:36 48:18 A: Bayern
> 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund 65:33 47:19 H: Hamburg
So, correct me if I'm wrong, Dortmund pick up the title if they:
a. Defeat Hamburg and Bremen lose at Bayern
or
b. Defeat Hamburg by two clear goals and Bremen draw, on the assumption
that if points and goal difference are the same the title is awarded to
the side that scores more goals. That's the way it works in England
(remember Liverpool v Arsenal in '89?). Is it the same in Germany?
Are there any plans to show either of those matches live, if so on
what station? If I remember rightly you tend only to get recorded
highlights on terrestrial German stations unless things have changed
in the last few years?
Come on you Dortmund!
barry.
|
19.511 | A shot in the dark.... | RTOVC0::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 12 1995 18:13 | 26 |
|
Thse two matches will be shown live on Premiere (I'd say the Bayern v
Bremen since this is probably the match with most riding on it).
Unfortunately you would need a card/key to unscramble the signal. If
you know anyone with a 1.20 m dish then you have a good chance with the
following 'directions'.
Point at Kopernikus 23.5,25.5 or 28.5 and the possibility is there
though the transmission is usually 'wobbled' slightly and is
uncomfortable to watch.
Point at Intelsat 1.0 W and pick up the Swedish channel which shows
German football. Unfortuantely this is soft-scrambled in DMAC (not
D2 MAC) so you'll need a Eurocrypt-S (not M) decoder (no card
necessary). TVN in clear PAL on this Sat 'might' just show it.
Where are you based....YUPPY is in London ?? There might be a German
bar in London licensed to show the game via Premiere (KO 14:30 BST).
Hope this helps a little.
Cheers,
Dezzz.
|
19.512 | | GENIE::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon - 761 4831 | Mon Jun 12 1995 18:25 | 10 |
|
Dezzzz,
am I right in saying that Bayern have to win (& someone else lose)
for them to get into Europe at all next year or have they qualified via
a cup competition? ......and FC Freiburg are already in a UEFA Cup
place? Didn't the Bayern manager have something unpleasant to say about
Freiburg when they got promoted a couple of years back?
JBG
|
19.513 | | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Mon Jun 12 1995 18:46 | 5 |
| Bayern need Moenchengladbach to win the Cup, otherwise they're not in the UEFA
Cup - it makes no difference if they win or not. Freiburg and Kaiserslautern
have the other 2 spots.
grahame
|
19.514 | | RTOVC0::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 12 1995 19:42 | 13 |
|
Mmmm, yes of course ...I'd forgotten the huge goal-difference between
Bayern and Gladbach.
Well, wouldn't it be ironic if Gladbach lose the Cup and Tottenham
(after being almost forced to compete in the Inter-Toto) manage to
carve out a UEFA Cup place....which reminds me....
Wasn't today the day when the DFB decides who enters the Inter-ToTo ???
(Bayern I suppose themselves could make it inside the back-door).
Dezzz.
|
19.515 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Mon Jun 12 1995 19:45 | 6 |
| There is the possibility to start in the UEFA Cup after winning the
Intertoto-Cup in summer.
Which German teams are starting in the Intertoto ?
Heribert
|
19.516 | Provisional.... | RTOVC0::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 12 1995 20:04 | 6 |
|
Ok, I've just had a look on the Internet ( Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics
Foundation.) and I notice that a provisional placing is set for
Gladbach or Wolfsburg. Doesn't make sense to me I must admit.
Dezzz,
|
19.517 | Intertoto trivia | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Tue Jun 13 1995 15:12 | 7 |
| >There is the possibility to start in the UEFA Cup after winning the
>Intertoto-Cup in summer.
No-one wins the Intertoto Cup! The last 4 teams are entered into the UEFA Cup
preliminary round . . . I wonder why they called it a Cup?
g
|
19.518 | Note the absence of 'Cup' | SIOG::FITZPATRICK | | Tue Jun 13 1995 16:34 | 9 |
| >>No-one wins the Intertoto Cup! The last 4 teams are entered into the UEFA Cup
>>preliminary round . . . I wonder why they called it a Cup?
Anybody know how many teams are entered for the Intertoto?
Even better, does anybody have the draw?
Michael.
|
19.519 | Draw announced Friday | AYOV27::FW_TEMP01 | J Hussey - Arran's in view today | Tue Jun 13 1995 16:42 | 13 |
| Cologne/Frankfurt in with Spurs, Swiss team, Osters (Sweden) & Ruders Velenje
(Slovakia).
Karlsruhr in with Sheff Wed, Gornik Zabrze (Poland), Silkeborg (Denmark),
& a Swiss team.
Wimbledon in wirh RSC Charleroi (Belgium), Bursaspor (Turkey), Beitar Jerusalem
& Kosice or ASK Bratislava (Slovakia)
Partick Thistle in with Metz, Linzer (Austria), Keflavik (Iceland) & Zagreb
(Croatia).
60 teams in all in the 'competition'.
|
19.520 | Kostadinov at Bayern again ? | LISTIM::FERREIRA_L | | Fri Jun 16 1995 15:13 | 8 |
|
Kostadinov ( Bayern Munchen ) is said to have signed for Bayern for one
more year. This player belongs to F.C.Porto ( my team ) and he was
borrowed to Corunha ( Spain) last season. Corunha borrowed him to
Bayern... Confused ?
Can anyone confirm this ?
Luis.
|
19.521 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Mon Jun 19 1995 12:48 | 4 |
| German newspapers have said, Kostadinov will not play in the team of Bayern
next year - but newsappers ?
Heribert
|
19.522 | Deutscher Meister: BVB | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Jun 19 1995 14:19 | 63 |
19.523 | Hansa, Pauli and Fortuna return | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Mon Jun 19 1995 14:20 | 51 |
19.524 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Mon Jun 19 1995 18:07 | 32 |
19.525 | Yes, Dortmund deserved to be the champion | RTOIC::MHAESTERS | Look on the bright side of life | Mon Jun 19 1995 20:32 | 13 |
| Hello Heribert,
this is not necessarily the end of Peter Pacult's career. Apparently,
he is negotiating a new contract with some Austrian clubs. And since
1860 doesn't ask for any transfer money, it should be easy for him. By
the way, he had a very emotional good-bye in Munich in a sold-out
stadium before the match 1860 : Kaiserslautern. When he made his way
around the field, the crowds cheered and called his name. They all knew
how much they owed him. An outstanding personality who made a lot of
friends here in Munich.
Margit
|
19.526 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Mon Jul 24 1995 11:43 | 5 |
19.527 | | MARVIN::MORRELL | Hmmmmmm...... | Mon Jul 24 1995 20:19 | 7 |
| Hmm... looks like Totteringham are going to be in for an interesting
year... I wonder if they will finally get relegated after just missing
out last year with the arrival of Klinnsman...
Cheers,
Rick.
|
19.528 | CAN'T be the regular side...can it? | MAIL2::MICEK | They're God's rock stars | Mon Jul 24 1995 22:40 | 2 |
| Is this Spurs' youth side that played, or is this a bad omen for the
upcomming season?
|
19.529 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Wed Aug 16 1995 11:42 | 3 |
| Interesting friendship game:
La Coruna - Bayern Muenchen 7:0
|
19.530 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Mon Aug 21 1995 13:12 | 33 |
19.531 | News ? | VYGER::MOONEYA | | Tue Aug 22 1995 12:07 | 6 |
|
Good start to the season for Monchengladbach,but can anyone tell me
if Heiko Herrlich is still with the club,or did he get transfered ?
What were the significant signings in the pre-season ?
Andy.
|
19.532 | Real answer to follow I hope | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:14 | 4 |
| I think Herrlich went to Dortmund, and scored in their first game. Everyone
else went to Bayern.
g
|
19.533 | Surplus of forwards at Dortmund ? | VYGER::MOONEYA | | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:36 | 5 |
|
What's the forward line at Dortmund this year,as I understand they also
signed Sosa from Inter Milan ?
Andy.
|
19.534 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Aug 22 1995 19:38 | 64 |
19.535 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Thu Aug 31 1995 11:43 | 34 |
19.536 | 5th round in Germany | RTOEU::MBOHNER | FCBsupporter | Mon Sep 11 1995 15:17 | 33 |
19.537 | FCB - out in Cup | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Sep 19 1995 14:12 | 10 |
| Yesterday I have seen in German TV:
German Cup - 2nd round
Fortuna Duesseldorf - Bayern Munich 3:1 (1:0)
50.000; Pancev (20.), Cyron (79.),
Seeliger (90.); Helmer (74.)
Heribert
|
19.538 | Die Loewen.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Wed Sep 20 1995 16:25 | 10 |
| ....meanwhile 1860 thrashed Frankfurt 5-1.....
Who would have guessed that Bayern would be the odd one out of the
advancing teams from Bavaria (Nurnberg and Unterhaching also won).
The funny thing was that Klinnsman was on Five Live (recorded
previously) talking about the 'international' team that Beckenbauer had
put together....
Dezzz.
|
19.539 | | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Wed Sep 20 1995 18:09 | 8 |
| I saw the highlights of the Lions' game last night - great stuff. I loved the
4th (?) goal where instead of trying to conjour a way through the defence he
just chipped the keeper from 25 yards.
2 wins in a row at the OlympiaStadion - they'll be wondering why they didn't
move there earlier!
g
|
19.540 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Thu Sep 21 1995 12:31 | 32 |
19.541 | On the Web | PLAYER::LESOIL | | Mon Oct 16 1995 15:33 | 5 |
|
German football results on the Web (NOS Dutch teletext) :
Results : http://www.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/tt/nos/page/680-1
Table : http://www.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/tt/nos/page/680-2
|
19.542 | 9th day | RTOEU::MBOHNER | glory, glory FC Bayern | Tue Oct 17 1995 15:04 | 46 |
19.543 | German Cup | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Wed Nov 08 1995 12:43 | 8 |
| 1/4 final German Cup:
Bor. Dortmund - Karlsruhe SC 1:3 (0:1)
1/2 final:
Kaiserslautern - B.Leverkusen
Karlsruhe SC - Duesseldorf
|
19.544 | Yours! | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Wed Nov 08 1995 14:26 | 7 |
| Awesome performance by the Dortmund "defence" last night. They treated every
high ball as if it was a bomb coming in. They'll need a new defence (and
goalkeeper) for the Rangers game.
But Karlsruhe played well too - a well-deserved win.
g
|
19.546 | | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Wed Nov 08 1995 15:23 | 5 |
| Hi Neil,
12-13 March - plenty of time to save up the plane fare.
g
|
19.547 | next games: 10th feb 96 | RTOEU::MBOHNER | glory, glory FC Bayern | Tue Dec 12 1995 14:19 | 45 |
19.548 | Bad Days at Bayern | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Tue Apr 30 1996 15:48 | 7 |
| So what is going on at Bayern?
Joint top of the League and on the weekend before the UEFA Cup Final, they sack
the trainer. Beckenbauer appoints himself as Trainer for the rest of the
season - no wonder he needed a police escort to training yesterday!
grahame
|
19.549 | The event of our neighbour Germany | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Apr 30 1996 18:44 | 35 |
| My point of view of this event last Saturday:
Bayern lost at home against Hansa Rostock. The "Bayern - mafia" * never has
given the coach Otto Rehagel (a half year ago he has been announced the best
German coach of the last years) any chance.
* Beckenbauer,Hoeness,Rumenigge
An example: There has been a problem with the player Mehmet Scholl in the autumn
season,Rehagel wished to fire this player -> result: the president of Bayern
Munich - Franz Beckenbauer - has given Scholl a 4 years contract !!
Beckenbauer and Hoeness fired Rehagel last weekend, informing him ten minutes
before the press conference .(The chairmans have not been fair the last half
year, why should they be in the last moment).
The decision has been made together with three players of Bayern .
Bayern's Austrian player Andreas Herzog has been the only one, who
had courage, saying the firing of Rehagel is a dirty trick.
Bayern's new coach next year will be Trappatoni (6th in Germany with Bayern
two years ago).
Franz Beckenbauer , named "Kaiser Franz" has been one of the best football
players, but humanly it seems, he is not one of the best.
If Bayern will be winner of the UEFA Cup and/or Champion of Germany, than
Beckenbauer is the great hero.
If Bayern has no success, this will be cause of Rehagels's bad work -
an easy way of "Kaiser Franz" , same has happened with Bayern coach Ribbeck.
The crowd of Austria's people wishes Bordeaux the best for winning the UEFA Cup
and Borr.Dortmund for German's Championshipment.
Heribert
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19.550 | German Update | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Heart of gold,nob of butter | Wed May 08 1996 12:51 | 9 |
| Borussia Dortmund beat Bayern Munich 3-2 last night, to go 3 points clear
with 2 games to go. All that after Bayern were 2-0 ahead, ho-ho :-)
I'll bet Otto was delighted with that win :-) and a
lot of Germans happy after the disgraceful way he was treated.
1860 drew 1-1 to maintain 8th position.
- Robin
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19.551 | No problem for Kaiser Franz | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Wed May 08 1996 13:31 | 7 |
| Beckenbauer - after the match: " We will not be champion this year
We have not lost the championshipment in this game, reason are the last
four games (with Otto Rehagel).
Easy, to be successful ?
Heribert
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19.552 | | ZUR01::ASHG | Grahame Ash @RLE | Wed May 08 1996 15:16 | 17 |
| > Borussia Dortmund beat Bayern Munich 3-2 last night, to go 3 points clear
> with 2 games to go. All that after Bayern were 2-0 ahead, ho-ho :-)
Not exactly! Bayern lost 3-2 at Werder Bremen (Rehhagel's old club!), Dortmund
beat Leverkusen (I think) 2-0.
Personally, I can't stand either side - Bayern don't deserve to win anything
(though Klinsmann probably deserves the UEFA Cup himself), and Dortmund are a
bunch of whining primadonnas. What a pity 1860 and Karlsruhe left their good
runs to the second half of the season!
> 1860 drew 1-1 to maintain 8th position.
Yes, they tried very hard to let Kaiserslautern win this - how many open goals
did they miss? Kaiserslautern look doomed, along with Eintracht now.
g
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19.553 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Mon Aug 26 1996 14:33 | 46 |
19.554 | Europhile | CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJ | Do you feel licky, punk? | Tue Oct 01 1996 12:46 | 12 |
19.555 | German league , round 8 | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Tue Oct 01 1996 15:07 | 54 |
19.556 | Go 60.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Oct 14 1996 14:44 | 7 |
19.557 | Weekend of Austrians ! | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Mon Oct 21 1996 11:52 | 36 |
19.558 | weekend 15.11. - 17.11, 14th round | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Mon Nov 18 1996 10:55 | 30 |
19.559 | | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Mon Nov 25 1996 12:59 | 43 |
19.560 | weekend 29.11.-01.12. 16th round | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Mon Dec 02 1996 14:11 | 31 |
19.561 | 17th round, 06.+07.12.96 | RTOMS2::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Mon Dec 09 1996 13:58 | 32 |
19.562 | Watching Austrian players in Germany | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Tue Mar 04 1997 13:16 | 44 |
19.563 | 21st round weekend 07/08/09-mar-97 | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Tue Mar 11 1997 10:05 | 35 |
19.564 | | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Wed Mar 12 1997 10:25 | 17 |
19.565 | part 2 | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Fri Mar 14 1997 14:26 | 9 |
19.566 | 23rd round | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Tue Mar 18 1997 14:17 | 32 |
19.567 | | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Wed Mar 19 1997 14:25 | 5 |
19.568 | Klinsi back to London? | ZUR01::ASHG | Grahame Ash @RLE | Wed Mar 19 1997 16:11 | 7 |
19.569 | Loads of money... | ALERT::SYS_132894 | | Wed Mar 19 1997 16:23 | 6 |
|
News this morning stated that Everton are prepared to pay him 50k a
week!!!!, although Cosmopolitan Chelsea are favourites at the moment.
Danny.
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19.570 | | RDGENG::MORRELL | Slip Away.... | Wed Mar 19 1997 16:46 | 10 |
| >News this morning stated that Everton are prepared to pay him 50k a
>week!!!!
Plus a helicopter if he wants to live in London & only travel to
Liverpool when he wants to train etc.
Cheers,
Rick.
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19.571 | Come to Castle Greyskull ! | PATE::POUNDER | | Wed Mar 19 1997 20:11 | 5 |
|
Rangers turned him down due to his past criminal record....doesn't have
one ! hahahahahahahhahahha
TeePee
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19.572 | What happened in Germany this weekend ? | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Mon Apr 14 1997 11:34 | 31 |
19.573 | | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Wed Apr 16 1997 14:09 | 11 |
|
Cup: semi-finals
yesterday: Energie Cottbus 3:0 Karlsruher SC
(3rd league)
tonight: Stuttgart - Hamburger SV
Final: 14th June in Berlin
markusFCB_
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19.574 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Thu Apr 17 1997 12:24 | 19 |
| German Cup - 2nd semifinal
VfB STUTTGART - Hamburger SV 2:1 (1:1)
50.000; Balakow (15.), Schneider (59.);
Hartmann (19.)
Red Card: Schneider (89.);Iwanauskas (86.)
Interesting Austrian point of view, wich Austrian player would reach the
final - Franz Wohlfahrt (goalkeeper of Stuttgart) or Schopp (HSV).
Good game, both teams had enough chances to win.
The referee was 85 minutes a very,very well acting man, no errors and
problems. But in the 86th minute he has shown HSV's Ivanauskas yellow/red
for nothing and in the 89th minute Stuttgart's Schneider for his first
foul (the word foul is to heavy for this little touching).
Heribert
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19.575 | weekend 18.04. - 20.04.97, 28th round | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Tue Apr 22 1997 15:59 | 33 |
19.576 | Bayern or Bayer | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Mon May 12 1997 15:41 | 34 |
19.577 | 1860 | TALAMH::KEYES | Digital Appliation Gen. DTN 827-2705 | Mon May 12 1997 16:01 | 5 |
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Who is likely to win the cup??? Is there chance that 1860 will make a UEFA
cup spot
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19.578 | | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Mon May 12 1997 16:15 | 5 |
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If Stuttgart win the cup then the team which on the 6th place will
qualified for the UEFA cup. In this case it will be 1860.
markusFCB_
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19.579 | Koch for Rangers? | DPPSYS::BARRIE | | Mon May 12 1997 18:43 | 13 |
|
Anyone know if mr Koch is a good goalkeeper?
from the rangers list
German goalkeeper Georg Koch could be the next foreign star to
commit his future to Rangers.
The Scottish champions have been linked with the 25-year-old Fortuna
Dusseldorf goalkeeper.
And Koch was quoted today as saying that he may choose a move to Ibrox
despite interest from Italian giants Milan.
Liam.
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19.580 | whatdya mean good ? | PATE::POUNDER | | Mon May 12 1997 21:26 | 9 |
|
Liam....when you say "good"....do you mean he is good "technically" or
good in the sense that, unlike Goram, he doesn't drink gallons, shag
everything that moves, gamble himself into serious debt, drive when
drunk, have a rap-sheet as long as my arm....and play CRICKET ! ????
(thats the worst offence by the way !)
Just curious
Twev
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19.581 | really really good | DPPSYS::BARRIE | | Tue May 13 1997 14:54 | 10 |
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Hi Trevor..
If he is anywhere near as good as Goram with the debauchery <sp> then
he'll be one helluva keeper without it then :-)
I do agree with the cricket sentiment though, thats just going to far,
even Gazza does'nt do that. :-)
Liam.
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19.582 | | RTOMS::BOHNERM | Parc Lescure 15.05.96 Champions | Tue May 13 1997 15:23 | 5 |
|
Koch is a real good keeper but to 90% he will stay in germany and sign
a new contract at cologne.
markusFCB_
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19.583 | Congratulation, Bayern | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Mon May 26 1997 16:47 | 28
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