Conference trucks::football;1

    Boy,we sure have escalated in the T.A.M. ratings,from 372 to 40!!
    
    
    Just heard yesterday evening of a proposal by Nottingham Council for a 
    new all seater stadium costing 45 million,to be shared by both County 
    and Forest,with the expectation of England hosting the next World Cup
    series
    	IMO this will be rejected by "U REDS" as they are in the process of
    redeveloping the City Ground!
    	
    
    Just came across this in one of the evening papers,Cloughie giving 
    commentary on the 1980 Cup Final,Hammers v.Arsenal,making a reference
    to Trevor Brooking,...."He floats like a butterfly,and stings like one
    too!...",...Brooking  then went on to score the only goal of the game.
    
    
    	Will give an update on the Team scene in my next note.
    
    
    
    M.J.

    I've copied the FOREST fixture list over from the previous conference
    for reference.Hope it will be of use.Thanks to the original author of
    the list.
    
    Here it is....
    
    
    
                            FIXTURE LIST 91-91.
                            -------------------
    
    
    August
    -------
    
    Sat 17 Everton (a)
    Wed 21 Leeds United (a)
    Sat 24 Notts County (a)
    Wed 28 Tottenham Hotspur (h)
    Sat 31 Oldham Athletic (h)
    
    Sept
    -----
    
    Wed  4 Manchester City (a)
    Sat  7 Sheffield Wednesday (a)
    Sat 14 Wimbledon (h)
    Sat 21 Aston Villa (a)
    Wed 25 Rumbelows Cup 2nd Round 1st leg
     
    Oct
    ---
    
    Sat  5 Queens Park Rangers (a)
    Wed  9 Rumbelows Cup 2nd Round 2nd leg
    Sat 19 Sheffield United (a)
    Sat 26 Southampton (h)
    Wed 30 Rumbelows Cup 3rd Round
    
    Nov
    ---
    
    Sat  2 Norwich City (a)
    Sat 16 Coventry City (h)
    Sat 23 Crystal Palace (h)
    Sat 30 Chelsea (a)
    
    Dec
    ---
    
    Wed  4 Rumbelows Cup 4th Round
    Sat  7 Arsenal (h)
    Sat 14 Liverpool (a)
    Sat 21 Leeds United (h)
    Thu 26 Tottenham Hotspur (a)
    Sat 28 Oldham Athletic (a)
    
    Jan
    ----
    
    Wed  1 Luton Town (h)
    Sat  4 F.A. Cup 3rd Round
    Wed  8 Rumbelows Cup 5th Round
    Sat 11 Notts County (h)
    Sat 18 Everton (a)
    Sat 25 F.A. Cup 4th Round
    Wed 29 Manchester United (h)
    
    Feb
    ----
    
    Sat  1 Sheffield United (h)
    Sat  8 Southampton (a)
    Wed 12 Rumbelows Cup Semi-Final 1st leg
    Sat 15 Crystal Palace (a) (FA CUP 5)
    Sat 22 Chelsea (h)
    Sat 29 Arsenal (a)
    
    March
    ------
    
    Wed  4 Rumbelows Cup Semi-Final 2nd leg
    Sat  7 Liverpool (h) (FA CUP 6)
    Wed 11 Coventry City (a)
    Sat 14 Norwich City (h)
    Sat 21 Manchester City (h)
    Sat 28 Luton Town (a)
    
    April
    -----
    
    Sat  4 Sheffield Wednesday (h)
    Sun  5 F.A. Cup Semi-Finals
    Sat 11 Wimbledon (a)
    Sun 12 Rumbelows Cup Final
    Sat 18 Aston Villa (h)
    Mon 20 Manchester United (a)
    Sat 25 Queens Park Rangers (h)
    
    May
    ---
    
    Sat  2 West Ham United (a)
    Sat  9 F.A. Cup Final
                          
    
    Come on U REDS in 91-92.
    
    DavidS.

    Pre-season tour news..
    
    
    Forest drew 2-2 with Swedish side Vasalund last night.
    
    Pre-season seems to have gone well with a win against Shelbourne (2-0)
    in the Rep. of Ireland and two victories in Sweden (6-0 and 13-0).
    
    New boy Teddy S. hit 5 in the 13-0 win, with the forgotten man Nigel
    Jemson getting a Hat-Trick.Pearce also got a couple.
    
    On the transfer front has anybody heard of any other signings other
    than Teddy S. and Carl Tiler?   And has anybody else been offloaded by
    Cloughie other than Carr to Newcastle and Hodge to Leeds?
    
    
    DavidS.
    
    
    

    
    	Having seen Cloughie's kids at Tolka Park I've some reservations
    as regards the success or lack of it that awaits this team this season!
    
    
    	The venue was magnificent,Shelbourne F.C. must be commended on the
    quality of the pitch and the developing of the grounds to an all seater
    stadium.
    
    	
    	Forest fielded their normal team with Steve Sutton back in goal,
    
    				1.Sutton
    
    
    	2.Charles 	4.Walker	5.Tiler		3.Pearce
    
    
    	7.Crosby	6.Keane		8.Laws		11.Woan
    
    		9.Clough		10.Jemson
    
    
    Subs.:	14.Sheringham
    		12.Chettle
    		15.Gaynor
    		  Crossley
    		  Parker
    
    
    
    	The game itself was dull enough in the first half ,Forest never
    really got to grips in midfield where Laws was having a stinker!
    Keane produced some lovely passes to a rather Lazy Clough who seemed
    more interested in jarring the referee....he got booked for his
    troubles! Crosby had some nice passes with Charles, who impresses more
    with each game .The central defensive partnership of Walker and Tiler
    shows a lot of promise,time and again these lads pulled the stops when
    Shels were bombarding the Forest goal,Sutton made a few excellent
    saves. Psycho was caught out of position on a few occasions with Sutty
    coming to the rescue.Jemson seemed to have much trouble in getting his
    footing and trying to beat the offside trap,Woan didn't impress.
    
    	Half -time 0-0.(No wonder "what a load of rubbish" was to be 
    heard buzzing 'round the stadium).
    
    
    During the break we were entertained by the Forest subs warming up,
    Chettle between the sticks,with Gaynor ,Teddy,Crossley and
    Nosey(parker) and some dude with blonde hair (Physio I think)taking
    pot shots at goal while Archie tried to orchestrate some fluent 
    football into the first 11.
    
    	The resumption of the second half saw the introduction of Teddy for
    Charles.He showed some lovely touches and within five minutes of the
    start Jemmo had goaled.Gaynor and  Chettle were introduced as a double 
    substitution for Crosby and Woan.Sheringham goaled after a Gaynor miss-
    kick.Gaynor offered more width on the right wing and managed to deliver
    some effective crosses to the big two.Chettle battled well on the left
    wing and only later on in the second half did we see Pearce at his
    best  raiding down the left wing which had been well curtailed in the
    first half.
    
    	Forest's problems seem to be in the engine room ,midfield stinked!
    Keane was the best ,but with Laws and cloughie in trouble it was hard 
    to see them play to their potential.Parker and HODGE were badly missed.
    We need to sign some quality midfielder (McAllister/Sheridan)
    	Defence and the forward division look potentially very good.
    	
    It's possible the 5-1 demolition of Cobh Ramblers(Keane's previous
    team) on Saturday took it's toll on the team and a lack of match
    practice.
    
    	Highlights of the evening were the return of Sutton who played
    very well,Tiler and walkers dominance of the middle and the exploits 
    of Sheringham!
    
    
    	Forest's attitude before the game left much to be desired,they
    didn't even bother to sign autograph's ,Ian Woan being the exception!
    
    	The attendance was well mixed with many Trent-enders having
    travelled over for the game!
    
    	Even after all that I'm still staying loyal!
    
                                                   
    
    M.J.
    
    
    Come on "u reds"!
                                                   

    Forest are still sponsored by "Shipstones Fine Beers",with the home kit
    remaining the same as last seasons,however the new away kit is
    something else.......
         a rather large white shirt with red and black collar ,red and black
    design on right sleeve,the s-h-o-r-t-s .....black with red and white
    design on left leg and roughly ten times oversized....nearly as bad
    as the Spurs kit!!!!!!!
    
    
    M.J.

    
    Forest beat neighbours Notts. County in the Nottinghamshire Cup Final
    at the weekend.Two goals from Jemson saw off the first division new
    boys 2-1.
    
    Hopefully we can get the same result when it matters in two weeks time
    at Meadow Lane in a Div 1. match.
    
    By the way, are there only two Forest fans left within DEC???
    
    It would appear so by the correspondence in this comference!!!!
    
    Come on U REDS against the Toffees....
    
    
    DavidS.
    

>               <<< Note 40.6 by UPROAR::SHORESD "david shores" >>>
>                        -< Are there only two of us??? >-
    
    David,
    
    It looks that way, but that's twice the number of County fans (as
    usual) ! You probably will beat us on 24th - Forest normally get a
    decent result down at The Lane, with The 'Pies winning at the City
    Ground.
    
    Re .1
    
    The ground sharing idea has been around for some time; I believe it's
    the way forward and County are in favour I think - if you've seen
    Meadow Lane, you'll understand why. I can't see Forest ever agreeing
    though (understandably) as they've already spent a fair bit on the City
    Ground, and have plans to further its upgrading. The other option is
    for County to move in there, but I don't think you'll find many Notts
    fans accepting that ! 
    
    Rob

    
    I'm off to see UUUUUU RRREEEDDDDS at the weekend.Got tickets for the
    Trent End to stand with the faithful!!
    
    Expect to see Teddy S. bang in a couple on his Home League debut.
    
    Its about time the FOREST got off to a winning start to a season.Most
    years we seem to start off slow with a few draws and usually even more 
    defeats.thus were usually out of the race early on!!!!!!!!! 8-)
    
    Anyway heres to a successful 1991-92 campaign for Cloughies Red Army.
    
    DavidS.
    

    Nice win against the Toffees ,even if we did score all  three goals in
    our 2-1 win.The same result at Elland Rd., would be nice on Wednesday.
    	
    Come on David ,where's your match report?????
    
    
    
    "U REDS"
    M.J.

    
    Sorry for the delay MJ,work got in the way!!!! Typed in report only for
    the machine to go down on me so I lost it before saving. 8-)
    
    
    NOTTINGHAM FOREST       2 (Clough 61,Jemson 87)
    
    EVERTON                 1 (Pearce og 37)
    
    Att: 24,422.
    
    Cloughie springs a surprise with his team selection by dropping Parker
    and Woan and playing Scott (Son of Archie) Gemmill and Jemson (out of
    position out on the left flank).
    
    
                                1. CROSSLEY
    
                        4. WALKER           5. TILER
            2. CHARLES                                 3. PEARCE
    
                        6. KEANE            8. GEMMILL
            7. CROSBY                                  11. JEMSON
    
                          9. CLOUGH     10. SHERINGHAM
    
    
            SUBS: 12 CHETTLE
                  14 PARKER
    
    
    The game got off to a bad start for FOREST with Walker limping off
    after only six minutes.He was replaced by Chettle who had his usual
    solid game and minimised the loss of Walker.
    
    Forest had the better of the opening exchanges with Everton happy to
    just play a defensive game with constant back passing to Southall. This
    led to cries of 'Give it to Neville' from an irate Trent End. Everton
    gradually came round to the idea of playing football rather than time
    wasting and took a shock lead after 37 mins when Warzycha's angle shot
    was helped over the line by Pearce.
    
    The middle of the match was marked by a number of bookings for Everton
    for time wasting tactics and mainly consisted of a midfield battle with
    occasional punts upfield by both sides in a bid to relieve
    themselves.Very scrappy indeed!!!
    
    However on the hour FOREST levelled the score with a scrambled goal
    from Clough. Southall came fo a near post corner,flapped at it, the
    ball fell to Tiler who shot and Clough bundled in the loose ball from 3
    yards. Hardly pretty but they all count !!! 8-) 8-)
    
    The match then settled into a more familiar sty;e of play, with to-feet
    passing and less aerial bobardment.Everton began to play football
    rather than time waste and the crowd enjoyed a good final half hour.
    
    Forest grabbed the winner with a goal from Jemson near the end.Overall
    FOREST deserved the win but only just!!They were solid at the back,and
    reasonably inventive up front all though nothing spectacular.Tiler was
    FOREST'S MoM and deservedly so. He looks to be a sound investment by
    Cloughie.Sheri had a good game but he and Clough need a little longer
    (couple of games perhaps) to gel.The problem is defenitely in Midfield
    where we missed Stevie Hodge.Young Keane  was carrying the burden well
    but needs assistance if we are to really challenge.(Neil Webb perhaps -
    the papers are talking of a renewed bid for him as he is out of favour
    at Old Trafford. Hope so - he could be the final piece to the jigsaw ????).
    
    To wrap up, reasonable game (nothing pretty),need to improve but at
    least we got off on the right foot!!!!
    
    3 points in the bag - hpoe for more against Leeds on Tuesday night..
    
    
    Come on U REDS
    
    DavidS.
          

    
    MORE NEWS!!!!
    
    Des Walker is out for at least a month following the hamstring problem
    he picked up on saturday.Could be longer.....
    
    As a result the transfer of Brian Laws to Blackburn is on hold as is
    the transfer of Darren Wassall to Wolves.We need the cover...
    
    Pearce received an award from Rothmans before saturday's kick-off for
    his record breaking 16 goal haul last year (Most goals ever scored by
    adefender in one season)
    
    Re: Super Stadium.
    
    	The Nottingham Evening Post reports that The site is to be an old
    power station in Wilford,Nottm which is currently owned by PowerGen.
    PowerGen say they know nothing about such a plan.
    
    The council are now proposing to build a 30,000 seater stadium by 1994
    with extra development later.FOREST are said to be "warming to the
    idea"...
    
    Still don't think they'll agree to it myself seeing as they're spending
    a fortune on renovating both the Trent End and the Bridgeford End of
    the City Ground.
    
    Re: the away kit...
    
    	Seen the new away top - its strange but not as bad as Spurs's or
    Liverpool's Home Kit!!!! 8-). Haven't seen the shorts. aparently they
    are very LLOOONNNNNGGG!!!!!
    
    DavidS.
    

    Shame about Des, hope he makes a full recovery, he is one of the
    finest player in the UK.
    
    Paul

    
    Read in the paper this morning that United are refusing to talk about
    the sale of Webb or any other first team member..
    
    Typical hogging of players they're not using.....except for europe when
    they have to go english!!!! 8-) 8-)....
    
    Come on U REDS against Leeds tonite....3 points here we come....I hope.
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    MJ, did you get my mail. I had a little bit of trouble in getting the
    reply to complete its journey!!!
    
    Come UUU RRREEEDDDSSSS....     3 points tonite..
    
    DavidS.

    Forest managed to scrape a 2 all draw with the Hammers,Woan scoring
    after 4mins,Sheringham getting the equaliser later on in the game.The
    only good aspect of the game was the second half introduction of
    Dessie!!
    	Interesting to see that the 'Pool are "after" Garry Parker and
    Brian Laws,I hope this does not materialise or soon there will be
    nobody left at the City ground,Jemson's article in The Sunday Mirror
    yesterday really summed up Forest's main problems,i.e. the backroom
    staff!!!!!!!   If this totally indifferent form continues we'll soon be 
    fighting relegation!
    
    M.J. 

    Good to see the Forest four come through last night,Keane laying on
    Cascarino's,Pearce laying on Smith's and Black scoring for N.I.	
    		Forest away to Sheff. Utd. at the weekend a toughie but 3
    points should be secured as all the first teamers are available .
    
    M.J.

    Take it from me, you've no chance on Saturday !!!
    
    But I could be lying 8-)

    re:-2; I got it wrong,as did Forest! Totally off colour!
    
    Cloughie fielded an unchanged side with the exception of Parker
    replacing Gemmill and Gaynor still replacing Cloughie jnr.
    	Just from reading match reports and seeing the goals on T.V.,Forest
    were pathetic.The defence was porous,Tiler's back pass was
    unbelievable, after all Forest's back four are all England
    internationals.
    
    A toughie in the ZDS on Tuesday night v Leeds Utd.,I expect the Former
    Reds to win ,with goals from Chappo,Harry and McAllister!!!
    
    M.J.

    I hope your prediction of 3-o to Leeds United is right, but McAllister
    and possibly Chapman will be out. Mc Allister didn't play for Forest
    though. Hodge, Chapman and Fairclough did.
    
    jb.

    More bad news from the Forest,Keane is out for two weeks with ankle
    ligament damage,this probably means a recall for Archie's
    kid,Scott with Gaynor retaining the No. 9 shirt in Cloughie's abscence.
    
    
    M.J.

From my report of Sheff Utd game last week:

"And that Tiler is a cynical b****d."

Glad to see he was sent off. He was booked against the Blades  for some really
squalid tackling, the ref even talked to him again at one point, long after the
booking.

Lets hope Clough sorts him out.

    Good news for all "U REDS" fans is that Cloughie jnr scored twice in
    the reserves win against The Owls in midweek and should be available 
    for the meeting with The Sky Blues on Sat.,Roy Keane did not play and
    remains doubtful for this tie.
    	Sheringham is the leading scorer at the moment on 8,from Keane on
    7.League position 6 th from bottom ,so a win is imperative on Saturday.
    
    
    M.J.
    
    "U REDS"

    A 19th minute goal by Sheringham seals it for Forest,he later had his
    86th minute penalty saved by Oggy.   Keane got MOM..
    
    
    
    Now for Villa in the ZDS on Tuesday............
    
    
    
    M.J.

    interesting to note that Sourpuss attended Saturday's game....
    ...nearly everyone on Forest's books have at some stage or other been
    linked with the stagnant 'Pool...
      ....Laws,Parker,Keane,Walker......
    
    who needs Saunders????.....certainly not Forest!!!!!!!!
    
    
    M.J.

    I expect a 2-0 win against Villa tonight,with goals from Sheringham and
    Keane.Woan will probably deputise for Black (thigh strain) and I expect
    Clough jnr to be included at the expense of Glover.
    	Janne Jansson from Oesters Vaxjoe has joined Forest on trial for
    two weeks.He's 23 and one full cap for Sweden,15 u-21 caps.He operates
    wide on the left or in midfield ,the price being quoted 200k to 400k.
    Let's hope he makes the grade.
    More transfer talks about Millwall's  midfielder Alex Rae being linked 
    with Forest at 750,000..,King Kenny is supposed to be interested in 
    Brian Laws and Gary Parker ,both for a cool million!!!
    
    
    M.J.
    
    
    "U REDS"

    The match vs Villa is live on Sky Sport, KO 7.30 GMT, prog starts 7.00
    GMT.
    
    (last night's live FA Cup Round 1 game was very entertaining, Brentford
    3 Gillingham 3)
    
    jb.

    OK so we beat Villa 2-0 as expected with goals from Pearce (a
    spectacular free-kick ,I'm told) and Scouser Woan,....the guy who
    decided that last year's championship should go to Highbury...remember
    the cracker he scored !!!!!!!!!
    
    A tough encounter this weekend v Palace but I expect this recent return
    to form should continue and anticipate a 2-1 win for Forest.
    
    M.J.
    "U REDS"

    Goals from Sheringham 2(1 penalty),Woan ..a cracking left
    swinger..sweeter than the goal v 'Pool that won the league for the
    Arse,Gemmill and a predictable Stuart Pearce free-kick!
    	...oh Palace did get a consolation goal!!!!!
    
    M.J.

    Forest continue their unpredictability in the league with a somewhat
    lucky loss of 1 nil.Having seen some of the game on video ,I'm now
    trying to pluck up courage and watch the remainder!
    	Full credit to Chelsea they at least tried to score a few goals,
    but the probems that Forest had on their pre-season tour,
    mainly a lack-lustre midfield,and an indecisive back four are visible 
    again.
    When will Cloughie realise that football is a man's game????????
    Woan,Gemmill,Glover, Clough and Keane lack physical strength when
    pitted against Townsend and Co.
    
    
    
    It would be nice to have Townsend on our side!!!

    Forest face the Saints tonight!

    ...and what a dire and dirty game it was!
    was that 8 people booked last night?
    the fouling was appalling.
    not a very good advert for the game here at all.
    Southampton seemed to want to kick their way into the next round...
    anyone see that elbow in the face Pearce took?
    Ian.
    

       Nottingham For     3  -  2    Arsenal            


	Yesterday's match definately lived up to the rest of the live games this
season so far, well at least the second half. I missed the last 20 minutes of 
the first half, but saw Woan's goal during the half time break. What a sweet
left foot.

	The second half was superb. The first 30 minutes was pure magic
especially for Non-Arsenal supporters. Forest ripped them apart, and it was only
a matter of time before they made it 2, a Sheringham diving header. But the 3rd
was pure Forest, a great build up down the right, resulting in the most
delicate of chips from Gemmil. 3-0. But the last 15 minutes was all Arsenal.
A great goal from Merson, chipping the keeper, and then 5 minutes later smith
getting on the end of a cross from the left, to leave an exciting last 10. Smith
nearly equalised after a great turn at the edge of the box, but his shot was
just over.

	Thanks to both teams for a very entertaining afternoon.

	Al

    We've got TGA and co tonight,should be interesting to see how he fares 
    against a quality defence!!!!
    
    
    

    MJ and co.
    
    great display on Sunday had myself (and i would assume the vast
    majority of neutrals) cheering you on...
    Carl Tiler had a good game, why has clough been keeping him on the
    bench recently?
    also, whats happened to Nigel Clough...
    hes awfully quiet these days...
    Ian.
    

    RE;-1	
    	Carl Tiler....as everyone is aware 'ole bighead' is a strict
    disciplinarian and after Tiler's dismissal against the Saints in a
    recent league game (two professional fouls) ,Cloughie drops him and
    lets him fight his way back into the first team,after all everybody
    knows Cloughie's admiration for Steve (I'll play anywhere) Chettle,
    he's the only Nottingham born and bred player in the squad...gettit??
    ..the only reason he was recalled for the game v Arsenal is that he has
    a height advantage over Chettle...weird but true!!!
    	Cloughie's loyalty to players is unbelievable,Lee Glover for
    example had been given the nod ahead of son Nigel,Glover had a broken
    leg two seasons ago ,who did Cloughie include on the subs bench at the 
    Littlewoods Cup final two seasons ago.....Glover!!!
    	Nigel it seems is finding it tough,he's a player who needs time on
    the ball,luckily the team can 'carry'him, with Sherringham up front 
    and Keane and Gemmill running the engineroom ,Forest need experience 
    in the engine room and who's any better at exploiting a situation when
    the need arises tha "our Nige",hopefully Nigel will improve!!!
    
    I've been told Forest beat 66FM last night 2-0,both goals from Keane.
    
    
    Now we know why TGA was not signed to a first division outfit,after all
    who would want a player who could not score against a middle of the
    table first division team, consisting of players who've won nothing???
    
    Do you want to know what Aldo's won over the last few years???? 
    
    
    BTW it's going to be a miserable week for Cunno, we've got Anfield on
    Sat..
    
    
    	Here's hoping                        
    
    
    M.J.

    predictions for saturday:
    
    
    4:45   Liverpool 1-1 Forest
    6:00   Souness sacked.
    6:10   Cunno announced as new manager.
    6:11   Cunno buys TGA.
    6:12   Cunno becomes player manager forming 'deadly partnership' with
           TGA up front.
    Ian.
    
    p.s anyone else get the 'famous picture' mailed to them?
                                    
    

    How much is Keane worth now ?
    
    He must've been one of the best buys in recent years at 15,000
    quid.....
    
    	- Robin

    Another disappointing result at Anfield,losing by two poxy goals.
    
    On Tuesday we've got Southampton in the Rumbelows ,on Sunday Leeds.
    

    poxy? nah!
    in the second one, i thought Mark Crossley did very well to almost save
    Molbys excellently struck free kick...
    Ian.
    

    Forest's 1-0 victory against the Saints(should really be sinners) was
    at some cost,with both Walker and Charles injured in the process,Walker
    requiring stitches on an eye wound and Charles groin injury,with the
    possibility of both missing the weekends game against Forest's
    reserves .....
    
    Next round v Palace..

    
    
                 Lads,
                     The ref and linesmen robbed you and my money on
                     Sunday.
                       My cash is on you for a win in the next leg.
                                       All the best
                                                   Billy
                            
    
    

    re:-1;
    	I have to agree!!
    One of Cloughie's policies at The City Ground is you NEVER criticise
    a match official for any of their judgments during a game!!
    
    	Incident no.1; the penalty.Was it or wasn't it??
    having viewed this incident on numerous occasions I can only come to
    the conclusion that both the referee and linesmen were not up with the
    play.If you view the incident from the camera located at the halfway line 
    it is very hard to ascertain if Wassall made contact or not,the referee was
    positioned behind the play.However viewing this same incident with the
    camera located behind the goal we clearly see that No contact was made 
    and that Allen clearly DIVED!!!
    
    	Correct verdict : No Penalty!!!!!
    
    Incident no.2: Pearce's goal ruled out ....offside!!!!!
    		This was a joke! Depending where you viewed the movement
    from you can rule the goal fair or foul.Again I always thought that the
    linesmen were Supposed "to be up with play".Viewing this incident from
    the 18 yard line we clearly see that Pearce was definitely on-side when
    the ball was played through by Sheringham and a totally legitimate goal
    was ruled out,we also see the linesman "in the line of play"..
    	Incident No. 3 ; Sheringham's goal very simliar....
    
    Having to overcome all those setbacks ,Forest still should have stuffed the
    Spurs.Forest for all their inventiveness and fancy moves trailed at
    half time ,when really the game should have been out of Spurs
    reach.Clough ,Sheringham and Crosby especially missed sitters,with the
    back four defending admirably Forest looked threatning ,Keane outplayed
    Paul "I'm gonna kick you at all costs" Stewart,Lineker had only two
    noticable moves ,the penalty and The long walk to the subs bench!!!!
    	Sheringham covered an immense amount of ground and linked up well
    with Clough ,who had one of his better games,Black played well in the
    second half only,Crosby and Gemmill often played better.   
    
    	The other aspect bookings. Edinburgh SHOULD have been sent for an
    early shower with his deliberate "hand ball"!
    
    Overall Forest overcame all obstacles and hopefully will demolish Spurs
    in the second leg.. 
    
    
    
    
    M.J.
    "come on U REDS".

    
    Re -1, in fairness I don't think Allen dived.  He was playing for the
    penalty and Wassall was trying to get out of the way.  Even with all the
    action replays it was still a close call.  I thought there was contact.
    
    Re the offsides, both were clearly onside.  The linesman was flag
    happy.  both flags were also very very late.  Nottm Forest deserved to
    win all right but I thought Tottenham defended very well.  It's still
    anybodys game.
    
    Gary.

    Re-1
    
       Just think how bad it will all seem when we pick up the Silver pot
    at Wembley...
    
    Dave...

    Forest are away to Leicester City tonight in the ZDS area final!!!!

    Forest advanced to the F.A. Cup quarter finals with an impressive win
    over Bristol City.
     In the next round we're drawn away to either Portsmouth/Middlesborough.
    
    
    M.J.

    
    
               All the best for Sunday Forest.
    
                                           Billy[Scotland]

    Yea... Id like some too...
    JaSe @UVO
    
    

Steve Sutton has joined Derby for 300K

He'd been at Forest since 1977

Al

    Hadnt he been on loan for a while to coventry or someone like that?	
    JaSe @UvO

    Yes,
      Steve Sutton had been on loan at Luton for th elast 3 months. Luton
    wanted to buy but could'nt raise the 300K.
    
    He played very well whilst he was there. He joined when Luton had 11
    points played 15 times and left when they had 29.
    
    
    Regs,
    
    Barry.

    Made a right balls up at the W/E didnt we?
    Oh well.... still two other WEMBLEY finals... cant be bad.
    JaSe@UvO
    

    
    The FA-Cup was the one that Brian wanted the most though.
    I wanted to see Brians lads in the final and can't believe they
    are out down to such a crap goal, especially after they way
    they dealt with Spurs.
    
    Pearce's header was a screamer, pity about the good save.
    
    JN.

I read in the paper at the weekend that Brian Clough is giving Jasper Olsen
an opportunity to ressurect his career...

Does anyone have any details..?? 

Tony

    No league action this weekend as "UREDS" make the first of their two
    Wembley appearances on Sunday against  Southampton in the ZDS final.
    One can expect another bruising encounter!!!!!
    
    Transfer news ; McGoldrick's tranfer from Palace is expected to go
    through during the summer for 1.5 million....no player exchange!!  

    
    I read that Cloughies signed on for another year...one last tilt at the
    title i suppose!!!??!!
    
    However the news on Pearce is not so good - apparently he's hobbling
    around on crutches and s is very doubtful for the Rumbelows on Sunday.
    
    DavidS.

    
    
    
    
     
    
    
    Forest collected their first full points in the last four games with
    a win against Southampton at the Dell last night.Darren Wassall and 
    Teddy Sheringham were recalled at the expense of Woan and
    Glover.Williams deputised at full back for the injured Pearce,Tiler
    partnering Walker (who went off injured at half time) got the only goal
    of the game in the 76th minute ,a volley from a Crosby cross.
    	Forest's injury line up now includes Pearce,Chettle,Charles Walker
    and Wassall.
    
    Here's hoping for Sunday!!!!
    
    
    Come on "U REDS"
    
    M.J.

Yer!


Come on you REDS!!!!!  United! United!

Ferguson's RED & WHITE Army!!!!

    
    I see that the FA in its great wisdom has blocked the League from using
    Wembley for the Rumbelows Cup Final replay (if it is required). The
    game had been scheduled for May 6th at Wembley to easy United's Easter
    fixture pile up but will now be played on the same date at GOODISON
    PARK. Apparently the reason is that the FA don't want the Wembley pitch
    played on during FA CUP Final week!!!!
    
    The touts will have a field day in the event of a replay!!
    
    
    On the injuries front....Cloughie is claiming that Pearce will be lucky
    to be fit for the European Nations Cup let alone Sunday....However this
    is surely a bit of Clough psychology!
    
    Also, its nice to see such confidence in Forest in the predictions
    notes - maybe old big 'ed can spring a few surprises..
    
    UREDS on sunday..
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    I see Alex Ferguson has said he'd swap yesterdays win for three points
    in the league game on easter monday.....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Alex you're on... 8-) 8-) 8-)
    
    DavidS.
    
    PS. Congrats to Man Utd.
    
    

    
    LUTON 2 FOREST 1
    
    FOREST SEEM DESTINED TO FINISH THE SEASON WITH A POOR RUN.....
    
    THE CASUALTY LIST NOW INCLUDES ALL FOUR CENTRE BACKS (WALKER,WASSALL,
    TILER, CHETTLE) AND GARY CHARLES AND PSYCHO WITH THE RESULT THAT KEANE
    AND CLOUGH PLAYED CENTRE BACK LAST NIGHT (ACCORDING TO A RADIO RPT).
    
    FOREST HAVE PLAYED 7 GAMES IN THE LAST 16 DAYS WHICH IS A PATHETIC
    SITUATION TO BE IN. THE CLUB ARE SUFFERING A PUNISHING SCHEDULE DUE TO
    THEIR CUP SUCCESS WHICH SEEMS A RATHER ODD WAY OF REWARDING TEAMS.
    
    MAN UTD , PORTSMOUTH, MIDDLESBORO, SUNDERLAND ARE ALL IN A SIMILAR
    SITUATION AND ALL HAVE VITAL LEAGUE GAMES TO PLAY FOR ONE REASON OR
    ANOTHER WHICH MUST BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE 9TH MAY - RESULT 2/3 GAMES A
    WEEK UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON.
    
    THE ORGANISATION OF GAMES NEEDS LOOKING AT SO THAT WE ON'T GET SUCH A
    FIXTURE PILE UP AT THE END OF THE SEASON. MAYBE OME OF THE LEAGUE CUP
    MATCHES SHOULD BE HELD EARLIER WITH A FINAL IN NOVEMBER TIME AS IS THE
    CASE IN SCOTLAND ??
    
    DAVIDS.
    
    
    

    I hope Coventry go down.

    re -2
    
    UPROAR is a fine Node Name.
    
    Press 'Lock'.....
    
    jb.

    
    re -1
    
    the 'lock' key is now disengaged...8-)
    
    davids.
    

    
    	phew ;-)

    Forest face Villa on sat at home and away to the title pretenders in
    manc land............six points a must and wins for LEEDS!!!!

    6 points as predicted...yipee!!!
    
    Great to see Leeds win at Coventry even though the ref's decision to
    send off McGrath was ludicrous!!!
    
    With the mancs losing to West Ham on wednesday next,it should be fun
    for the closing two games

    
    Liverpool tonite at the City Ground..
    
    A win will put us sixth with games against QPR and West Ham to play out
    the season. 
    
    Hopefully Woan can notch another like he did in the corresponding
    fixture last year, and with Clough in at the heart of defence (where
    he's shown probably his best form of the season 8-) ) we may just
    snatch it.
    
    Ureds to go sixth
    
    davidS.
    

    
    
    1-1 at the City Ground last night.Sheringham from the penalty spot
    after Mike (I'll give a silly goal away in every game like Brucie) Hooper 
    pulled down Keane .Ian Rush replied for the 'Pool.   No change in
    positions in the League table!!

And your Reserves secured the Central league title last night as well - I 
thought you were complaining about no strength in depth?!! And didn't 
Liverpool win this every year not so long ago?

g

    
    Its not strength in depth that casuses a problem but a total lack of
    consistency...forest started off the season ok but hit a terrible patch
    during october and november (something like 8pts from 8 games if i
    remember correctly). We hit form in December and then its been up and
    down ever since. Hopefully next season the new boys will have settled a
    bit more and we can put together a reasonable run in the league...
    
    
    perhaps even a place in Europe????
    
    Glad to see us sew up the Central League... it caused a wee bit of
    trouble last year when the reserves threw away the title (Mr Clough was
    not impressed 8-) )
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    Central league status doesnt really prove much, after all, last time i
    looked Barnsley were in the top half of the table above Manchester 
    United!
    
    Ian.
    

    
    Proves alot I'd say. Reserve teams are more than capable of
    matching the first team and often make for very good games.
    
    JN.

    
    QPR tommorrow at the City Ground. Forest should be good for 3 pts as
    the RRRs have lost their way a bit in recent matches after a very good
    spell. We then finish away at relegated West Ham (Bye Bye). With Liverpool
    finishing with a couple of tough games against title pretenders Man utd 
    and Sheff Wed we might even finish in the top six and condemn the 'pool
    to their worst league finish for 20 years.
    
    DavidS                                     

    
    Forest 1	QPR 1
    
    
    Forest equalised through a Scott Gemmill goal on 78 mins (his 13th of
    the season). Clough played in defence again and looked good according
    to reports. This appears to have been the last home game for Des Walker
    who it is rumoured will be joining Sampdoria for 1.5 million over the
    summer. The rumours are probably right as well considering Walker's
    reaction at the end of the game where he applauded the Forest faithful.
    
    Its sad to see him go but he's been a great servant of the club since
    arriving as a rejected apprentice from Spurs (his fav team). I think
    that Wassall will be Dessie's replacement although he's not the same
    class as Walker. However, Wassall is quick, tidy and has great
    commitment so hopefully the gap will be plugged fairly well.
    
    Other transfer rumours link Webb with apoosible return to the City
    Ground and Keane with a move in the opposite direction or even to the
    Arsenal or Liverpool. Spurs are reported to be interested in Gary
    Charles.
    
    Good luck Dessie..
    
    DavidS.
    

    I also read that Benfica are interested in Darren Wassall!!!!

    
    The papers are talking of Forest moving in for Packie Bonner. If so
    Crossley's days could be numbered...
    
    DavidS.
    

    re:-1
    	the papers I've read report that Ron Fenton has stated that Forest
    have two very good U 21 'keepers and Forest are not interested in
    Bonner!!!		
    	The media are still speculating a Keane to  utd move....personally I 
    think this would be detremental to his career,Forest play football 
    (everyone knows the mancs style) and a stupid move to OT like this 
    would firmly close the door to the glittering prizes which now await 
    this Mega-midfielder and his club:-))
    
    
    
    M.J.
    "U REDS"

    
    I agree - we don't need another keeper. Ok, so Crossley has the
    occasionally flap (a la Portsmouth in the Cup :-0) but he can be
    absolutely brilliant at times. Also, Marriott proved that he can also
    perform at the top level (although he does need a bit more experience
    which will come with increased first team exposure). Crossley has
    pledged to knuckle down and prove his worth to Forest during the rest
    of his contract (1 year) following his late night escapades in March.
    
    On the Keane issue, I honestly believe that he would rather stay at
    Forest, where he's a regular, rather than go to the mancs where he
    might end up as another forgotton man (ie Webb). In the past those who
    have left the banks of the Trent for the promised land of OT have
    failed miserably and ended up at a dead end in their careers (Birtles,
    Webb) with speculation of return to Forest (were Birtles florished
    again).
    
    I've read today that McGoldrick of the F.E's has confirmed that he's
    been approached by Forest and expects to sigh in the Summer. This is
    the second time I've heard his name mentioned regarding a summer move
    so it could be on. Out of interest where does he play? Is it right or
    left midfield ? Is he a more of a winger or is he a midfielder? If he
    plays on the right he could end up replacing Crosby..
    
    DavidS.
    

    Fast Eddie plays either right wing or as sweeper (where he says he's
    more comfortable) To be honest, he's a very "in and out" player. He has
    been excellent in some games this season, and covered for Salako quite
    well, but he also has games where he does absolutely zero.
    
    Paul

    Hows Kingsley Black been playing since you bought him from Luton.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.

    
    After an initial battle with Woan (scorer of vital championship goals),
    he has played in most games since christmas. He's not been over
    effective, scored a few, but personally I feel forest play better when
    Woan is in the side. Maybe he'll settle down next year. The jury is
    still out on Kingsley Black I feel.
    
    davidS.
    

    Thanks David.
    
    I was happy with 1.5 million we got for him. Too often he used to drift
    out of the game and was a bit on the light side when it came to
    competing.
    
    I did not rate high as highly as a lot of Luton fans.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.

    
    Des Walker has signed for Sampdoria of Genoa according to Vogon News.
    
    8-(
    
    DavidS.
    

    For all you Forest fans based in Ireland ,"UREDS" are set to play
    Shamrock Rovers at the RDS the same day as "whacko jacko" plays in
    Dublin....I forget the date!!
    	David any more info on pre-season tour????
    
    
    
    M.J.

    
    For (arguably) the best defender in the world Forest have received
    1.5M. Walker's personal terms amount to 30,000 quid a week!!, a large
    sign on fee, and a limosine. Not bad for a defender who was reject by
    his favorite club (Spurs) and who cost Forest nowt to buy. He has
    signed for two years with an option on a third, and has reportedly
    refused a four year deal because he wants to leave open the option of
    returning to Britain to finish his career. Hope Forest get first shout
    on him.
    
    DavidS.
    
    PS. One of his first games could be against Forest at the Makita
    tournament in August.
    

    
    darren Wassall has turned down a new contract. could this mean that
    Forest's in-house replacement for Walker has decided to move on ? Or
    has he realised that with Walker gone he may be able to negotiate a
    better deal ?
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    
    Paper transfer talk...
    
    Teddy S. to leave for Spurs in a 2M move... (this could be on the
    cards due to Sheri's wife longing for a return to London).
    
    Also, Cloughie appears to want Jemson back from Wednesday as the 
    replacement.....and will offer Kingsley Black in exchange. Eddie 
    McGoldrick will then replace Black.
    
    Finally, Wassall has turned down another contract offer.
    
    
    It would be a shame to lose Sheringham when he has settled in so well
    with the Forest style of play. He was top scorer last year with about
    23 goals and is the first Million pound striker to perform at Forest
    (usually they are complete flops - Ian Wallace, Justin Fash, Etc).
    
    Jemson IS a good replacement but will he come back? He was not happy
    at Forest due to being left out of the Cup Final squad in 1991. Maybe
    he's changed his mind about Forest ???? Also, we lose 700,000 on the
    deal as we sold Jem for 800,000 and bought Black for 1.5M .(although
    he's not shown 1.5M form!!)
    
    Personally I'd rather keep sheringham and buy Mcgoldrik with the walker
    money. then we would have two options on the rigt wing Crosby or
    McGoldrick. The competeion for places might be enough to stimulate
    some form in one or the other of them.
    
    Losing Wassall would be blow, IMHO, as he's a good solid central
    defender with pace - an excellent Walker replacement. I'd like to
    see him paired with Tiler at the back to give both pace and height
    cover at the back.
    
    
        DavidS.
    
                                                                      

    After watching Northern Ireland v Germany last night,the performance of 
    the Irish no.7 confirmed to me what a truly c*ap player Kingsley Black
    is!!!	If Cloughie "trades in" Kingsley for Jemson I reckon Trevor 
    Francis will want to start "stall feeding " Black on some thing else 
    other than Shredded wheat as Black Does not seem to give 100% effort!!!
    Last night's performance was typical!!!!!
    	
    	Black's Forest's record this season is as follows;
    	
    	Played		Sub		Goals
    
    	  39		 8		 7
    
    ....a truly remarkable goal avalanche!!!!
    
    
    hopefully OBE will not be so stupid as to let Sherri of to spurs ina
    swap for Paul "I'm going to kick Roy Keane" Stewart....
    
    Any news on the pre- season tour??????

    re:-1
    	statistics include cup games

    
    I agree, Black is not providing enough quality crosses or enough goals.
    I hope that we can trade him in for Jemson who would provide extra fire
    power to aid Sheringham. Also, I feel that Woan provides us with a quality
    left-sided midfielder who gets a few goals and supports the attack well.
    Both he and the raiding Pearce can provide quality crosses and a
    powerful shot (as shown Vs the Arse in Dec 91) so we have strength on
    that side of the pitch.
                                                                       
    I feel that Crosby also needs either some competition to inspire him,
    or dropping as he doesn't produce the goods on a regular basis. Personally,
    I'd be tempted to drop him. He showed great promise back in 1988. I can
    remember cloughie being interviewed after the FA Cup semi defeat 
    Vs Liverpool (1988 i think) and singing his praises. However, in a
    similar way to Franz Carr, he's to in and out.
                                                                           
    Keane and Gemmill in the middle are automatic choices,IMHO.
    Keane is developing into a great midfielder. He works hard, covers a
    lot of ground and makes some suberb runs. He also appears to have
    struck up a good understanding with Clough Jnr. Gemmill has good skill,
    and can deliver a great pass. I'm sure he'll continue to mature
    next season.
    
    In the light of this, I'd like to see Forest drop the wingers approach
    and play with five at the back with the two full-backs pushing up. We know
    Pearce can do this well and I feel that Charles can also provide a good
    attacking alternative if he has cover at the back to reassure him. My
    attacking 'sweeper' would be Clough. He performed really well as a
    make-shift centre back during the back end of the season and with his
    vision I feel that he could a great sweeper. I know his pace lets him
    down but both Wassall and Tiler are nippy and could assist. The time
    and space would enable him to pick out the runners from midfield and
    hopefully carve up defences.
    
    
                                                                    
                                    Crossley
    
            Charles         Tiler           Wassall`        Pearce
              |                     Clough                      |
              |                                                 |
             \/                                                 \/
                    Keane           Gemmill         Woan
    
    
                            Jemson          Sheringham
    
    
    DavidS.
    
              

    Re Kingsley Black. I'm a Luton fan and when we sold him a got 1.5
    million for him I was not disappointed I thought it a fair fee. I'm not
    at all suprised by the details or comments about his play he was the
    same at Luton. He did not appear to want to compete he was light weight
    and lacked a fighting spirit. Still I bet either Moanin Kenny or Keegan
    will gladly pay 2 million of someone elses dosh for him.
    
    I rated Mark Pembridge a far brighter prospect than Black and he's gone
    for only 1.25 million. I reckon Derby have got themselves a very good
    deal there. Watch out for him if you Premier Leaguers can drag
    yourselves away from your sattelite dishes.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.

    
    Apparently Derby have bagged Darren wassall at 500,000. Who will we buy
    to replace his pace as he seemed to be a good walker replacement?
    
    davidS.
    

    Forest's  pre-season tour includes stops at Oriel Park Dundalk,
    R.D.S. Shamrock Rovers and the Brandywell Derry City.
    I will include dates Monday for the above mentioned games,I'm not sure
    whether Forest play in Cobh or not!!!
    
    
    
    "U REDS"
    
    M.J.
    
    
     

    
    Forest play Dundalk on July 27, and Shamrock Rovers on July 29. They're
    also at Derry on August 9 and play Ards on august 7. Is anybody from the
    Emerald Isle going to any of these games? Can they supply a match
    report ?
    
    DavidS.
    
    BTW, read this morning that Blackburn 'Moneybags' Rovers may be
    prepaing a Stable and Haybale for a certain K. Black!! 8-) 8-)
    

    
    It appears that Teddy Sheringham has gone to Spurs for 2.1M pounds.
    
    Where does this leave Forest in attack. Sheringham was the Top scorer
    last season and we SHOULDN'T be selling players who perform well. I
    presume that unless Cloughie has a replacement lined up we'll have Lee
    Glover back as the front man. However, i don't rate Glover that highly
    and feel that he often makes the team for being a 'nice young man' !!!
    
    Maybe the early post-season rumour of us buying back Jemson will prove
    true. I hope so (or at least hope that we find a decent replacement) as
    otherwise I can see Forest struggling even moreso than last year.
    
    So, the score sofar is:
    
    OUT: WALKER, Wassall, Sheringham.
    IN:	 McKinnon (sp) from Dundee (Utd).
    
    Despairingly,
    
    DavidS.
    
    (PS. MJ, are you going to the Dundalk game tonite ?).
    

    
    Score from last night:
    
    Dundalk 0
    Forest  4
    
    Don't know who the scorers were but hope to find out more soon.
    (anybody got a match report ????)
    
    Also, as mentioned in the Spurs note, the Sheringham deal is not official
    yet. Apparently the player has agreed to go to Spurs but the clubs are
    still dealing. However, given that Sheringham's family are keen to move
    back home to London I think that the deal will be closed on Thursday
    when the trip to Ireland has concluded...
    
    Even worse......
    
    There's a NASTY rumour going around that Cloughie is thinking of
    replacing Teddy with Alan 'Eor' Smith. I hope that this is just wild
    speculation as we can't afford to keep him in oats.(We've already used
    up our share on K. Black Esq)
    
    TTFN,
     
    DavidS.                                  

    >    There's a NASTY rumour going around that Cloughie is thinking of
    >    replacing Teddy with Alan 'Eor' Smith. I hope that this is just wild
    
    and how many times has dear teddy been top league scorer in the 1st
    division? Smiffy has done it twice. Anyway he's not for sale (yet).

    
    Read in this mornings Daily Ranger that Cloughie is interested in
    signing Derek Whyte of Celtic.
    He's been a first team regular at Parkhead since he made his debut as a
    17 year-old six years ago.
    He's just gained International recognition, and picking him up
    for just under a million might not be too bad a deal for Forest.
    
    I can be one of his biggest critics, but I must admit, on his game he's
    an excellent defender. he's very quick, has a good left foot & tackles
    strongly. His only fault I'd say is his passing out of defence.
    
    And if Davie Big Bird McPherson is worth 1.4 million, then Whyte is 
    a bargain buy for someone !
    
    

    
    Apparently the Sheringham deal is off due to Forest's fears of entering
    the new campaign without a decent striker.
    
    However, if the story about Alan Smith to the 'pool is true then the
    deal may be back on again as Forest are reportedly interested in Dean
    Saunders (we tried to get him last summer before settling on Teddy). 
    With Smith in the bag, Liverpool could let Saunders go (fee 2.5M has
    been mentioned) and Forest would then be able to let Sheringham go with
    DS as the replacement.
    
    Other rumours are that Forest are interested in both Steve Bull and
    Nigel Jemson as Sheringahm replacements.
    
    Anyhow, i reckon Teddy will still leave the club as he has the same problem
    that Stewart had at Tottenham. ie He's with his club and his family are
    back home where their roots are.... eventually something has to give
    and it's DEFINITELY NO CONTEST - family first.
    
    A Softy and a Realist
    
    DavidS.
    
    Come on 'Ureds' at saturdays Makita.
    

    
    Result from Wednesday night 
    
           Shamrock Rovers 0   Forest 0
    
    Pretty impresive !
    
    Stephen C.
    

    
    Who was impressive ?  Was it Forest or Shamrock ?  Did you go or have
    you seen a Match Rpt as there's been no coverage over here.
    
   	
    DavidS.
    
    
        

    Forest 0 Sampdoria 2
    
    Can't remember the scorers....

    
    Makita Tournament - Elland Rd, Leeds.
    
    Round 1
    
    Forest 	0
    Sampdoria	2 (Lombardo 36, vierchowod (sp) 81)
    
    Team: 
    Crossley, Laws. Wilson, Tiler, Pearce, Crosby, Keane, Gemmill,
    Woan, Clough, Sheringham. 
    Subs: McKinnon (for keane 45), Chettle (for Wilson)
    
    Leeds       2 (Rocastle + A.N. Other )
    Stuttgart   1
    
    
    3rd Place Game.
    
    Forest      0
    Stuttgart   1 (Walter 42 (pen))
    
    Final
    
    Leeds Utd   0
    Sampdoria   1
    
    Forest Sampdoria:
    
    Forest played reasonably well but only really 'clicked' for brief
    periods (mainly in the 2nd half). Woan had a good chance early in the
    second period and Sheringham had a goal disallowed for offside.
    Wilson looked tidy at the back and with a bit of match practice I can
    see him becoming a regular in that position. (as he was a few seasons
    back when he was converted from midfield during and injury crisis.)
    Keane made some good runs and was picked out by an excellent 40 yd
    defence splitting pass from Gemmill. However, the Italian keeper raced
    out to deny him a clean shot on goal. 
    forest lacked pace at the back and were exposed on a number of
    occasions by runs from Lombardo and inch perfect passes from his team
    mates. This resulted in Sampdoria's first goal on 36 mins.
    Sheringham looked a bit jaded and only played in flashes. Maybe the
    transfer speculation has got to him. Clough showed some moments of magic
    but as was apparent throughout the team, they still lack full match
    fitness.Pearce didn't seem to get into the game and made a few
    uncharacteristic errors.
    The new lad McKinnon came on at half time for Keane and showed some
    good touches and an ability to run at defenders (he set up the
    disallowed goal). However, he was also guilty of some poor passing and
    occasional lack of control. I think that he'll fit in quite well in the
    long run (if he gets a run in the team).
    Last, but certainly not least, Crossley had a blinder in goal. His
    previous weakness on crosses was non existent and he could not be
    faulted on either goal. Infact, he probably helped keep Forest in the
    game at times with some excellent saves. I think that he'll be number 1
    for the start of the season.
    
    Overall, Forest lacked a little fitness but I feel would not be a match
    for this kind of opposition even when match-fit. Realistically, we
    don't appear to be in with a shout in the league but I think if we
    avoid injuries (and further loss of squad members) we can push for a
    european place by coming 3rd/ 4th. Maybe a Cup is a better bet
    (surprose, surprise 8-)).
    Anyway,its early days yet so things may get better with more practice.
    
    finally, the new kit is a marked retreat from last years strip and
    looks as if its modelled on Nigel mansell's GrandPrix outfit.
    Co-incidentally, he's also sponsored by Labatts lager !!! ;-)
    
    davidS.
    
    Sorry thats there'd nowt about Forest - Stuttgart but they didn't show
    it down south!!
    
    

    
    Latest pre-season......
    
    Saturday 8th August.
    
    VS Rugby	3
    Forest	4
    
    Sunday 9th.
    
    Derry	2
    Forest	2
    
    Scorers to follow later (hopefully).
    
    Also, Spurs and Sheri is being hyped again, replacement will be Smith
    from the Arsenal, Blah, blah..paper talk...paper talk
    
    Seven Days to Go....
    
    DavidS 

    I see that Forest's new kit gets top marks in "SHOOT" this week for
    being the most sensibly designed kit for the new season,sponsorship
    this season is by Labatts.
    
    
    M.J.

    
    yeah, i saw that too....apparently it gets 'cool' rating of 4 !!??
    
    At first, i found it a little bit odd, very old fashioned and
    continental.....definitely a great contrast to the last few years.
    
    I think though that i prefer the old one (maybe coz i've got one and
    can't afford another!!! 8-) )
    
    DavidS.
    
    PS. Score from friday... ARDS (N.I.) 1 Forest 6..
    
    MJ, What do you think to the pre-season form ? Have you been to any of
    the games over there ? 
    

    >                           -< Teddy to the rescue!!!! >-
    
    
    	Surely you mean 'Edward'.
    
    	Congrats to Forest. I saw the game live on Sky and they were better
    than Liverpool in every position except goalkeeper! It should have been
    3 or 4. A blatant penalty refused when James bought down Keane in the
    box, some things never change!
    
    	For those of you without Sky, the presentation is horrendous, the
    Studio host, picture editor and pitch interviewer are morons and the
    program is best described as tacky! However it does enable me to watch
    some exciting league football so ....
    
    	Cloughie was man of the match for me, when interviewed afterwards
    by the above mentioned 'interviewer' who posed the usual array of
    ludicrous questions and then;
    
    Interviewer; "A hard question for you now Brian, do you think this
    Liverpool team are easier to play against than previous ones?"
    
    Cloughie (after slight pause for thought); "Young man, I don't mean to
    be rude, but you couldn't ask me a hard question to save your life!"
    
    
    	He then proceeded to slag off the silly Sky Sports blazer. Brilliant! 
    
    

                                                                
    Good start on sunday. It's always nice to 'do' the 'pool. I only heard
    it on the radio (I don't have SKY) but I thought that we were good
    value for the three points. Keane had a great game along with Clough,
    and Woan and Pearce appeared to cause Liverpool a lot of trouble on the
    left flank. Even, Gary 'he's a luvvly young man' Crosby appeared to
    find some form.
    
    Chettle and Wilson were tidy at the back. Looks like Wilson is now well
    and truely converted from Midfield. Crossley was reasonable but only
    appeared to have a few moments of danger. james definitely impressed in
    the Liverpool goal, especially in the openning few minutes.. Stewart
    never seemed to get going. I think that the scousers will benefit
    when they've had a bit more time to adjust to this 'different' but more
    attacking formation. Maybe they need slightly different personnel to
    get it to work....
    
    Away to Wednesday next, tomorrow night. Another toughie but hopefully
    we can pick up a point or three (I'll settle for one!!). Maybe playing
    all the so-called 'challengers' at an early stage will prove a good
    thing as we might catch them a little cold.
    
    DavidS.
    
    Seems like Forest have shut the door on the Sheri deal. Not surprised
    considering he's our main scoring threat. However, will his personal
    problems eventually force the issue a la Stewart ?
    

    
    Sheff Wed	2 (Hirst 2)
    Forest 	0
    
    A familiar ring to this one. Old Trev puts one over Cloughie for the
    third time. Forest apparently had as much of the play and gave Woods 
    'a good workout' in the sheffield goal. Unfortunately they scored (two
    long range, but well taken, strikes) and we didn't.
    
    Next stop Oldham on Saturday.
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    Oldham Athletic	5
    Forest		3 (Pearce (pen) 66, Bannister 86,88)
    
    Forest were taken apart by Oldham who scored FIVE goals in 28 mins
    either side of half time. Wilson was subbed at the interval for black
    with Clough dropping into the back four. Bannister was brought on later
    to replace sheringham and scored a couple of good, but late consolation
    goals. There were holes everywhere in the defence and elsewhere in the
    side and from the 'highlights' on MOTD we were obviously guilty of poor
    defending (Even the usually reliable pearce flapped at one cross
    allowing in an Oldham attacker to score).
    
    Mr Clough Snr will not be a happy at this less than 100% performance
    which leaves us 16th after 3 games. Hopefully it was just one of those
    days and not a taste of things to come!!!
    
    No midweek game this week (thank god, considering it would have been the
    Mighty Boro) so its Man Utd next, on Saturday at the City Ground.
    
    DavidS.                              

    Dave,
    	who is this Bannister guy on loan from QPR ??? ,a replacement for 
    Sheringham???
    
    
    
    M.J.  who saw the slaughter on MOTD!!!! 

    
    MJ,
    
    I don't think that he's a replacement (but with Sheri keen on a move
    south that may be what happens). I think they see him as another squad
    player to add to the pool and generate competition for places. I believe
    that this could be the same Gary Bannister who was a young starlet at
    Sheff Wed. as they rose from the 3rd to the 1st Division back in the
    mid 80's. He used to get rave reviews as i remember and was none too
    bad in either midfield or attack. 
    
    Anyway i hope he keeps knocking in the chances as we definitely need to
    score a few this year due to a slightly porous defence. I think that
    he'll be signed when the loan period from West Brom is up. Also, the talk
    of Alan Smith continues... maybe it'll happen as the Gunners have quite
    a few strikers on their books and he'll be wanting regular first team
    football rather than odd games here and there. 
    
    On a potentially more alarming note i read in the papar this morning,
    that Pearce has had a bust up with O.B.E. over wages. He wants a rise
    on his 3500 a week but clough has told him no way.(And not surprising
    after the Oldham fiasco) The Times reckon that this rift may result in
    a transfer request!!!! Hopefully this is just pie in the SKY but you
    never know. If they have had 'words' then the end of the Psycho era    
    could be nigh because Clough freezes out dissenters. However, I'm sure
    it'll end amicably because i think that Clough genuinely likes Pearce
    and Pearce seems happy in Nottingham.
    
    DavidS.
    
    

    
    Forest have drawn Stockport County in the 2nd Rnd of the Coca-Cola Cup.
    First leg at Stockport (w/b 21/9/92), second leg by the Trent during
    week of the 5/10/92.
    
    This is not an easy draw as Stockport narrowly missed promotion to Div
    1 last year and have started well this year in Div 2 (currently joint
    top).
    
    I might even get to see the first leg as I'm up in the North West that
    week....
    
    davidS.
    

    Devestation strikes again!!!!!!!
    
    Forest have lost again in their bid to retain Edward "Teddy" Sheringham,
    who signs for Spurs today in a 2.1 million move.
    
    A "tribute" to Edward will follow later!!!
    
    
    M.J. who is beginning to feel that survival in the Premier will be very
    tough!!!!!!!
     
    

    Does this mean then that Clough's got Alan Smith?
    
    barry.

    
    
    
    
    Would you believe it !!! 
    
    Sheringham, a Trent End favorite, has gone even though Forest said only a 
    few days ago that he was not for sale. Every player has his price i
    suppose!!! However, its a shame to lose a good goal scorer when they
    are so scarce at the moment.
    
    The deal looks to be a straight money job, not including mabbutt as was
    rumoured in the press a few days ago. 
    
    Clough is apparently going to talk to Jemson this weekend about a
    return from Sheff Wed. were he has not tied down a regular place. This
    may go through early next week if Clough and Jemson find that they
    can get on together. I think that a Jemson return could be good. He and
    Clough Jnr seemed to fit together fairly well before (we won the league
    cup and reached the FA Cup final after all). With Bannister as a super
    sub to back them up we might just manage to muddle through......
    
    Anyway, Man Utd tomorrow. I suppose that either Bannister or Glover
    will start as the striker in Sheringham's absence. I think that it'll
    be Bannister seeing as he performed so well last saturday.
    
    This weekend could be very hard...Man Utd are about due a decent
    performance and Norwich (on Monday) will be difficult on recent form.
    
    DavidS.                  

    
    re -2
    
    No. I don't think Smith has been signed, or even formally approached.
    
    DavidS.
    

    With "Smiffy" struggling to command a regular place in the Arsenal
    line-up, because of the excellent early season form of Campbell and
    Wright, I think if I were George Graham I'd be on the 'phone to Ol' Big
    'Ead and enquire about a possible, Alan Smith + 1 million = Roy Keane
    deal.
    
    Mike M 
    

     re - 1 Alan Smith + 1mill = Roy Keane.
    
    ....and if i were OBE i'd say no chance young man!!! 
    
    Seriously, what do you Gunners think of the possibility of Alan Smith
    coming to Forest? and how much do you think he'd cost ?
    
    come on "ureds"
    
    DavidS.

    re .129
    
    Considering he's touching 30 I'd say 1.5 would be a reasonable 
    amount but then the transfer market's not exactly renknowned 
    for reason is it? In that case, 1.75 million. 
    
    This sounds like fun. Let's start up a noters transfer market. 
    I'll give you 1.75 for Nigel, if Dad will let him leave home. 
    In fact I'll give you 1.75 plus Jimmy Carter and a free pint 
    in the Finsbury Park Tavern. Sound like a good deal?
    
    barry.   

    
    re -1 1.75, Carter and a pint
    
    yeah i'll do the deal......
    
    
	
    but only if you leave out carter!!!! 8-)))))
    
    DavidS.
    
    

    
    If Geoff Thomas is worth 3 million Roy Keane is worth 6 million.
    
    Forest would be crazy to sell.  He's the best passer of a ball in
    English football.
    
    Gary.

    re -1
    
    Nice one.

    
    Re: the weekend's progress!!!!
    
    Two more losses, at HOME to Man Utd. 0-2 and last night at Norwich,
    1-3. Maybe we should offer to buy Andy sant's personal name as a motto
    - "lurching from disaster to apocalypse". Saw the 'lowlights' of the
    game Vs Man Utd on MOTD. Another Wilson howler led to the first goal. 
    He's struggling with the back pass ruling. I think he's suffering a
    lack of confidence after the Oldham fiasco where he was subbed at
    halftime. Second goal - crossley takes root on his line and is beaten
    by Giggs. Odd losing to Man Utd at Home, shows how bad things are
    getting!!! 
    
    Last Night - Crooks free kick was brilliant. Tremendous curve on the
    ball, Crossley had no chance. Clough's goal, agaian another great goal,
    that was well constructed. At this point we seemed to have got
    ourselves into the match. Forest appeared (from the Radio commentary)
    to dominate the middle 30 mins of the match, but then it slipped away.
    Orlygsson (sp) was guilty of defensive suicide fore the second Norwich
    goal. Lost possession on the edge of the box, in steps a 'Canary' to
    lash a shot past the helpless Crossley. The Last Norwich goal, whilst
    being good, was taking the proverbial.
    
    Overall, Norwich probably shaded it - but not 3-1. Forest's back 4 had
    a much improved game and Crossley played extremely well to deny Norwich
    other good chances. Wilson looked better and was only caught once. We
    definitely need a striker, or at least to encourage the players to
    shoot. Our losses are a result of not taking the opportunities that the
    midfield of Keane, gemmill, And Clough are creating. And by the sound
    of things they ARE creating chances in abundance. Maybe a striker will
    be signed this week as despite working hard i'm not sure whether
    Bannister will make it at Forest.
    
    On the transfer front, i read at the weekend that Clough is interested
    in Le Tissier...but this is probably paper talk. Also, i've seen a
    number of stories about Pearce wanting more money and possibly moving
    on to a bigger club. It was suggested that we might try and exchange
    him for Deano of the 'pool. I hope not. Despite needing a striker, we
    cannot afford to deplete the defence any more. On the Striker front, we
    might now have trouble in bringing Jemson back as Hirst will be out for
    a month at Sheff Wed. Thus, they will need a replacement for the short
    term.
    
    Any way, it can only get better .... i hope !!
    
    I've rambled enough.
    
    DavidS.

    
    Apparently Clough and Jemson have had talks on Jemson returning to the
    City Ground. If the player accepts the move the deal is expected to go
    through in time for him to play at Blackburn Rovers tomorrow. The
    figure invovled is about 800,000 (the same as we sold him for!!).
    
    Wednesday don't seem to have any objections to a Jemson move and may
    even encourage it as they are apparently interested in taking Wegerle
    on loan from Blackburn (as a replacement for the injured Hirst).
    
    IMO i think that the deal will go through. I think Jemson suited
    Forest's style of play and he will welcome a return to first team
    football. I think the reason for him leaving was due to a silly bust up
    with Clough (due probably to Clough being annoyed with Jem's attitude,
    and Jemson being p'ed at missing the Cup Final for GLOVER of all people)
    and the fact that Jemson was competing against Sheri (a Clough
    favourite i feel) and thought he'd lose out.
    
    More later, maybe...
    
    DavidS.
    

    What's going wrong with ye up in Nottingham ?????????
    
    A pathetic display against Blackburn on Saturday, Did you see
    Crossley's blunder all I can say is 8-).
    
    Something has to be done quick or Div 1 looms, there's no way Pearce
    should be let go if they have any hope.
    
    Don't let one of the footballing sides go down please

    
    Re -1
    
    I think that the problem is a lack of confidence coupled with the loss
    of some class players..(Walker, Wassall, Sheringham).
    
    After a good win against Liverpool on the opening sunday (where I
    thought Forest dominated the game for long periods and should have won
    by a few more) we've suffered the frights in defence. It seems to have
    stemmed from the debacle at Oldham. The defence had 'one of those days'
    against a good attacking side. Wilson in particular, and crossley to a
    certain extent, seem to have been shaken by their mistakes and so have
    had problems since. They are flapping about the back pass and seem to
    be scared stiff when somebody pressures them (rather than calmly
    getting rid of the ball!!).
    
    The Crossley goal on Sat was a typical example of what happens when
    your on a bad run... A clean catch then he loses his sense of position
    an drops the ball over the line.....I agree with you you can only smile
    (and shake your head a little!). However, Forest were holding Blackburn
    comfortably for the first half...but unfortunately killed us second
    half. 
    
    Forest are also lightweight up front, especially since the loss
    of sheringham. Maybe that'll be resolved this week with Jemson coming
    back. He was good before and can be good again. Maybe also, an
    experienced central defender would be useful - to calm the nerves.
    
    Anyway, I don't think we'll go down. I feel that the only problem will
    be if we start to panic....
    
    DavidS.
    
     

    
    Jemson is expected to sign today, with K Black going in the other
    direction. Forest are also on the trail of Craig Short from the 'pies
    across the trent. Blackburn have also expressed an interest in the
    central defender so we may lose out to their purchasing power and
    potential to win something this year 8-0. Expect Jemson to start on
    Saturday against his former team at the City Ground - maybe it'll be
    just the kick we need to start the ball rolling. Hopefully we can
    arrest the slide which started with the reverse fixture a few weeks
    back.
    
    On a more personal note, This is my last week at DEC. I'm off back to
    University as of Friday 11th. I've enjoyed reading people's comments
    and have found the footie notes a source of humour and news during my
    stint at DEC....long may they continue....
    
    Look after the fort, MJ. It may need a lot of defending in the coming
    months !!!! I'll still be in contact via the newsletter....
    
    
    Bye,
    
    DavidS.
    

    Still no confirmation on the Jemson saga!!
    
    Looks like we'll be playing "First Division" football next season
    unless the big slide is halted,Bannister scores again to help justify
    his team selection,he's only on loan!!!!!!!!!
    
    My 'pool friends are trying to convince me that "Our Nige" may be on 
    the move to Anfield ,any truth in the rumours???????
    
    
    M.J.

    
    MJ,
    
    as soon as i heard that,
    
    a. Saunders had definately gone.
    b. The Jemson move had been put on hold.
    
    I thought there might be a chance...
    
    Ian.

    Is the Forest v. Coventry game scheduled for SKY TV this weekend and
    when??
    
    
    M.J.

    
    Whats the word on Nigel Jemson?
    
    Ian.

    
    re. 142
    
    Monday.

    Interesting to note that Forest and SHIPSTONES are really pinching the
    dosh from the faithful few with regard to the Forest 92 replica kit!
    
    For the '92 season Forest wear a totally new "home" kit,however depending 
    on whether the game is televised ,they wear the kit with "LABATTS" on
    the jersey,and if not they wear the kit with "SHIPSTONES" logo.
    
    	With shirts costing approx 30 pounds this is a "rip-off"......
    
    
    
    M.J.

Well if anyone's stupid enough to want two, or spoils their kids rotten buying
them both kits, they deserve their lot.

"A fool and his money are easily parted"

    Forest and Coventry draw 1-1 last night at the City Ground,according to
    Radio 5 Forest just scraped a draw,with Clough jnr on the scoresheet.
    
    
    
    
    M.J. 

    Any kind soul able to give me the postal address of the City Ground
    please?
    
    Paul

    The address is;
    
    	Nottingham Forest FC.,
    	City Ground,
    	Pavillion Road,
    	Nottingham NG2 3HJ.
    
    Telephone nos:
    
    	Nottingham (STD code 0602)
    
    	Secretary's Office: 822202
    	Information Desk (recorded messages): 821122
    	Commercial Office : 820444
    	Souvenir Shop: 822664
    	Ticket Office: 813801
    
    Hopefully this helps,
    
    M.J.

    Thanks very much - I am sure that the FE's and the Forest will meet in
    one of the Cups this season!
    
    Paul

    Another point gained in a 0-0 draw with Chelsea,haven't seen or heard
    any match reports other than Keane playing again as centre-half...
    
    
    
    M.J.

    A 2-2 draw with City,goals from McKinnon (his first for the club since 
    moving South) and the equaliser from the ever reliable,Mr Forest
    himself,Psycho...Stuart Pearce.....
    	
    2nd leg of Coca Cola cup on Wednesday at The City Ground!!!
    
    
    M.J.

    Forest win 2-1, but I don't know the draw!!!
    
    
    
    M.J.

    Forest play one of the giant killers from round 2 in the next round.  I
    think it is Crewe at Gresty Road.
    
    		Brian.

    The new stand at the City Ground looks tres impressive. And at
    4.5(?) million a bargain compared to the 15 million Arsenal are 
    spending on the North Bank. I'm sure greater capacity must be one
    factor accounting for higher cost but what else? Did Forest have to
    demolish the existing terrace, like Arsenal, or simply build on top
    of what was already there? That would go some way in explaining 
    cheaper cost. 
    
    barry. 

    Barry,
    
    The THREE new stands on the other side of the Trent were even better
    value ..... and 'we' got Derby County to pay for them....
    
    ....admittedly they got Tommy Johnson and Craig Short in exchange, but
    I think I know who got the better deal.....
    
    ....but then again, who now has the worst travelling defence in the
    country without Shorty ?
    
    Rob

    Forest beat Middlesborough 1-0 last night,a valuable three points,still
    bottom.
    	
    	
    	
    M.J.

    
    	Kingsley Black scored in the 66th minute.

    Forest win 1-0 against Crewe

    Ipswich 1,  FOREST 0..

    There's rumours in today's "papers" that OBE wants to sign 'our' Rocky
    from Leeds who might talk when they get knocked out of Europe
    (tonight?). 

    Forest 0 ,Everton 1

    extract from to-days press..
    
    ILL WIND...Most soccer managers find life at the bottom of the division
    rather worring but Brian Clough doesn't betray any signs of stress at
    Nottingham Forest.  In fact it has certain advantages according to
    English sources who report that he can get up to 5,000 quid from
    newspapers for his thoughts of life at the bottom.  The going rate for
    a safe mid-tableposition is far less attractive.
    
    I just felt the World needed to know this.
    
    Colin..
    ^^^^^^^

    Cloughie being interviewed on Saturday's MOTD was great fun, especially 
    the bit where he advised the camera-man on his angle. 
                                                          
    barry. 

I thought Cloughie was great on Sportsnight last night!

What a character!

Si...

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>I thought Cloughie was great on Sportsnight last night!


I thought he was "enjoying" the benefits of a "good lunch". He is rapidly
turning into a charactercature of himself. Still I enjoyed watching it.

Stuart

    Neil 'Fat Wallet' Webb looks set to make his Forest comeback Wed.
    evening for the reserves and first team debut on Saturday v the Saints.
    Still no confirmation on the Jemson move, the bait being 400,000.
    
    
    M.J.

    
    	Yes we've beaten Spurs again in the annual league Cup meeting!!!!!
    Having just seen the highlights on ITV,Forest seemed to dominate the
    game completely and must be flattered with the paltry scoreline of 2-0.
    
    Keane dominated midfield ably supported by Gemmill and with Pearce/Woan
    at full flight on the left flank and 'Our Nige' spraying neat little
    passes,the Forest goal machine soon went ablaze.
    	Woan scored after neat little exchanges with Pearce and Clough,
    Black 'tried to play',Glover ....well  he's OBE's pet.The back four 
    played soundly after a few anxious moments and Crossley handled
    admirably....
    
    
    
    genuinely the best football game seen on TV last night.
    
    
    Next round away to Arsenal/??
    
    
    
    M.J.

    re -1 
    
    yes , I agree  a super game...well done Forest. Two superb goals.
    Don't please *DONT'T* even think about dropping out of the 
    Premier League. You're one of only a handful that deserve to be
    there.
    
    *Tiger*

    How are Forest at the bottom ?? They completely outplayed Spurs
    lastnight and looked full of confidence. And Spurs are on a good run at
    the moment.  Surely it won't be long before they're off the bottom and
    moving up the table where a footballing team like Forest belong.
    
    Keane's goal was one of the best of the season.
    
    Colm.

    
    Last night Forest played the best football I've seen all season.
    I know they play like that each week and they certainly do not
    deserve to be at the bottom of the Premier.
    
    Excellent game last night and some breathtaking football played
    by Forest. Well done.
    
    JN.

    
    Neil Webb gets MOM for his part in helping "UREDS" secure a win at
    Leeds. Eventually Forest managed to overpower Leeds and went into
    an early lead with a rather suspiciously looking "off-side" goal by
    Clough set-up by Webb and Pearce......
    	Goal 2 scored by Keane after neat moves by Judas,Gemmill set-up
    goal 3 and Judas was again provider for Keane for goal 4.
    
    Leeds managed a consolation goal at the end.....
    
    
    
    Webb's inclusion seemed to add a little vision in the Forest midfield,
    but it's too early yet to see whether this is just a "flash in the pan"
    or whether Forest are getting their games together.....

Two great performances by Forest last week. Everyone who watches English 
FOOTball must be delighted to see them getting away from the bottom of the
table (well, soon anyway!). And good to see Webb getting some recognition. He
always could play - just not for Manchester United! 

g

    Forest are in a festive mood at the moment....getting stuffed at every 
    opportunity ,now losing 2-1 against championship favourites
    
    
    
    
    
    VILLA
    
    
    
    M.J.
    
    
    
    anyone a match report???????????
    
    

    
    With all the rumours and speculation concerning the "christmas party"
    antics and the "new manager",a 1-1 draw was not a bad result against a
    side who have tended to bruise Forest's pride over the last few
    seasons...
    
    
    Clough scored...Crossley gifted the equaliser!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    M.J.

    Forest's Christmas party piece included a 2-1 defeat at White Hart
    Lane, the Q.P.R. game was postponed and a live game yesterday v The
    Saints in the F.A. Cup.....
    
    After luckily beating S'ton,with goals from Keane and Webb,Forest are
    at home to the winners of Chelsea/Middlesborough game in the next
    round.
    
    
    
    
    M.J.

    Another unfimiliar result for Forest this weekend ...A WIN!!!
    
    Don't know any reports of the game except Ian Woan scored......he's now
    got 2.....
    
    Still 3 points adrift of the Wombles with a game less played and still
    BOTTOM!!!!!!
                
    M.J.

    Listen to commentary on Radio 5 on a game that was pathetically boring
    in the first half .George Graham's pep talk at half time certainly put
    Arsenal on the move and once Ian'alWright scored his first it was going
    to be an uphill battle for Forest who persisted with Clough alone up
    front,Woan threatened a few times before Wright sealed the issue with
    a well taken goal....
    
    I found it ironic that both match analysts thought that both Forest
    centre halves,Chettle and Tiler "were having a fine game and that the
    boss would be well pleased with their performances"....Wright then
    pounces for two well taken goals....
    
    
    Season so far....
    
    Bottom of the Premier......
    
    out of the League Cup.....
    
    still in the F.A. Cup.....
    
    
    
    First division football next season is now more of a probability than a
    possibility!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    M.J. 

    FOREST draw 1-1 with Middlesborough at the City Ground with Neil Webb
    to the rescue.
    
    Replay wed night at Ayresome Park.
    
    
    M.J.

    RE:-1
    	
    	Brian,
    	
    	does that mean that the League fixture between Utd. and FOREST goes
    ahead  tomorrow??

           <<< Note 40.186 by ESSB::BLONG "Europe is Scouse Free" >>>
                                    -< Yes >-

    	
>Yes, all cup replays are a week and a half later as they can only go to 
>2 games. So its UNITED V Forest tomorrow night.

Let's get it the right way round - the police insisted on 10 days between 
first game and replay. So the FA had to introduce the penalties. 

As more clubs use their own stewards and try to reduce the horrific cost of 
hiring police I see no reason why in a season or two we can't go back to the 
good old infinite-replay system.

g

    
    Who are Forest playing on Saturday, and is it home or away???

    Forest lost to what can only be described as two fortuitious utd., goals.
    
    A shot from ince from midfield cruelly deflects off Carl Tiler and ends
    up behind Mark Crossley for the opening goal.
    
    The second ....well it involved hughes....."crash ,bang,wallop...it's
    in the net"
    
    Two nil on the night, but more importantly and rather saddening a 3
    point loss which now leaves a mountain for climbing....
    
    
    I suppose the only consolation for FOREST fans is that they will be
    able to visit the PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY at VILLA PARK
    during the summer......
    
    
    
    
    M.J.

    re: -1
    
    Granted, Paul Ince's goal was fortuitous.
    
    But Hughes' goal !?
    
    Bruce -> Cantona -> Hughes -> Net
    
    Great move, great strike, great goal.  Give credit where credit is due.
    
    Lofty.
    

    Moved from the foot of the Premier after 22 games......
    
    Ian Woan scored the all important goals ..........
    
    
    
    M.J.

    
    Forest beat Middlesborough 3-0 at Ayresome Park last night with goals
    from Bannister,Clough and Woan.
    
    Away to Arsenal in the next round...
    
    
    Saturday at Anfield and Graeme's boys......3 points a must!!
    
    
    M.J.

   goals from Ian, ends Forest's hope of any silverware for the season.
    
    M.J.

    Steve Stone scores on his senior debut after Clough had put Forest
    ahead for all of 1 minute.
    
    3 precious points and 3rd form the bottom.
    
    
    M.J.

    Having listened to match commentary on Radio 5, Forest fully deserved
    their victory in a sometimes poor game.
    
    The team line-up was an enforced one,Webb, Pearce and Williams all
    injured and Laws suspended,
    
    		Crossley
    Charles	Keane	Tiler	Chettle
    
    Crosby	Gemmill	Stone	Woan
    
    	Bannister	Clough	   
    
    
    
    The first-half had little to report except for Keane's ability to
    to hinder Les Ferdinand's efforts ineffective. Charles was having a
    baptism of fire but Crosby and Woan tried teased and tested the Q.P.R.
    defence. Clough had the best opportunity of scoring but was
    defeated by a fabulous save by the Q.P.R. keeper. 
    0-0 at half time.
    
    The second half started similar to the first with Forest playing neat
    football on the flanks,Gary Crosby's persistence in following through
    on a Bannister cross sealed Q.P.R's fate with a well taken goal,his
    first for the season,Forest's 12th at home.
    
    This 3 points now means Forest are now fourth from the bottom, but with
    Keane suspended for two games and the injuries, the pressure is back on
    again.
    
    
    
    M.J.

    Forest lost to City 2-0 at the weekend ...no match report yet!
    
    
    M.J.

    He looked a total donkey at Selhurst on Saturday, static, clumsy -
    seems that Cloughie is after a short term fix. Is he eligible for Weds
    game against the FEs? Wouldn't have thought so.
    
    Paul

    I bet Cloughie's kicking himself that he didn't sign Quinn when he had
    the chance. Now he's signed the bloke that couldn't get a place in the
    team that Quinn went to, if that makes sense.
    
    Tim

    I bet Cloughie's kicking himself that he didn't buy TGA (:==:)

    Rosario's scoring rate is phenominal.......
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    27 goals in 10 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    expect him to play tonight against Palace.
    
    
    
    M.J.

    dropped ANOTHER 2 points, to Palace which now firmly roots us in second
    from the bottom .....division one ....just around the corner!!!!!!!!
    
    
    

    What a  result for football last night, Oldham ,who everyone expects
    to be relegated win and the mancs,who everyone expects to be runners-up
    in the Premier are beaten,(who cares what the mancs supporters
    think,they've been wrong for the last 26 years!!!:-)) ). 
    All of this makes the battles for relegation and promotion more intense
    and with Forest just one point ahead and a game in hand, of Oldham, a
    win on Saturday is a MUST against an Everton side that keeps improving.
    
    Forest beat local side Club Portugese in St. Hellier,Jersey over the
    weekend 10-0.Scorers were Rosario 4,Crosby 2,one each for
    Orlygsson,Woan,Bannister and Clough.Keane did not play due to
    suspension ,with Rosario due a two match ban and injuries to
    Gemmill,Stone,Webb and Pearce Saturday's game will be tough! 
    
    
    
    	Ah well looks like the Premier Title will be making its way to the 
    Midlands after all.:-)))
    
    
    
    M.J.

    Anyone for a list of the "First Division" teams and grounds???
    
    
    M.J.

    1-1 against Leeds, 
    	didn't see any of the game ,reports anyone??
    
    
    
    M.J.

    
    	It was a good game that Forest should have won. Keane was
    excellent. Even though Forests penalty was dubious any other luck
    that was around went Leeds' way. Woan and Rossario missed good chances
    and all together, (and I know this has been said before) Forest did not
    look like a team from the bottom of the division.
    
    	Andy Gray is becomming increasingly aggravating. Yesterday he was
    having a go at the ref for booking the Leeds players who stopped Forest
    from taking quick free kicks! This happened at least 3 times, and each
    time the ref quite rightly booked the offender! On one occasion a
    Forest played placed the ball and was just about to take the kick when
    Hodge came steaming in with a diving lunge knocking the ball away and
    almost up-ending the player into the bargain! He should have seen red
    never mind yellow!
    
    	Andy Gray seems to think it's alot to expect of players to adjust
    to the new rules which prohibit this kind of thing. Oh dear. Are they
    all THAT thick? I doubt it. 

    I heard a radio report this morning that Brian Clough will have to
    answer to the F.A. for an incident during yesterdays game in which he
    gave the two finger sign to the Forest fans after they jeered his son
    Nigel for fluffing/missing the ball..
    
    Good ole Cloughie
    
    Nige.

	Nice picture on the back of the Express too.

	Ian.

    Just heard some of the match reports on Radio 5 last night as 
    Forest beat The Saints., 2-1 with goals from Clough and Keane,Crossley
    saves a penalty,missed the action on T.V...
    
    Any comments???
    
    M.J.
    
    
    

	Great goal from Cloughie. He runs all the way out of defence, beats
	a load of players, sidesteps the keeper and slots it home.

	Ian.

                <<< Note 40.214 by FORTY2::ETHERIDGE "lumme" >>>

>>	Great goal from Cloughie. He runs all the way out of defence, beats
>>	a load of players, sidesteps the keeper and slots it home.

	The way I heard it on Radio 5 it was Roy Keane who scored the
	great goal (Forest's second) after a neat interchange with
	another Forest player.

	Regards

	Ian

    ....for all you Tommy Gaynor fans,the 30 year old who starred in the
    '89 League Cup Final win over Luton, has been released on a free transfer
    and is currently with Millwall till the end of the season.
    
    
    
    ..lost out on the Stan Cullimore transfer deal also!!
    
    
    
    M.J.
    

    Royston Keane finishes 3rd in the player's young player of the year
    award..

    Oooh Aaaaah,
    
    
    
    	Paul McGrath
    
    
    
    
    
    
    gets the ALL important goal which virtually writes off Forest this
    season.
    
    M.J.

     <<< Note 40.218 by MACNAS::MJGREANEY "VILLA for the PREMIER TITLE!" >>>
               -< Norwich and the mancs tonight...1-1 please!!! >-

Looks like the gods were not on your side :-)

    can anyone tell me who Carlos Valderama plays for???????????

 He was at Montepellier two seasons ago..but I think I read somewhere
that he went back to Columbia..!!


Tony

Valderama left Montpellier to go to Valliadolid. Don't know if he's still there
though?

Nick

    
    Valderema only waited for one season with Valliadolid (sp????).
    As far as I know he is back in Colombia now.... Valliadolid were
    relegated last season from the Spannish first division.
    Why the interest in Valderama?????
    
    jm

    
    Bad result last night for Forest...
    
    R E L E G A T I O N    is a real prospect now...
    
    What will happen to Roy boy if Forest go down????
    Where will he go.....I reckon he may well stay at Forest...
    
    jm

    
    interest in Valderama...a friend needed the answer for a 'wager'.
    
    
    
    
    Relegation......yes it's nearly a certaintity now!
    
    If I were the Forest Chairman I would retain OBE for 1 year,try and
    poach Trevor Francis or Martin O'Neill in the meantime and try and
    keep as many as possible of the squad..well no, sell them for a quick
    buck while their  valuation is high,after all Pearce is 30, Nigel is 26
    Laws 30, Keane let him off for 6 million or so continue the stadium 
    development and REBUILD the team, surely there are more "Roy Keanes"
    out there....
    
    As their reserves and youth teams are doing ok their youth team policy
    must be pretty sound  here's hoping for a short term stay in the First
    Division...
    
    B.T.W. ...could anyone give a list of the teams in the First
    Division?? :-)))
    
    
    M.J.

    mixed fortunes at the weekend ,
    
    Q.P.R.  spoil the weekend by winning 4-3,
    
    Forest regain some pride by beaating Spurs 2-1 on Monday.
    
    

    lost again to Wimbledon 1-0, luckily Oldham lost to Spurs 4-1 and
    Sheffield Utd also.
     Could still possibly avoid the drop but running out of games
    
    
    
    M.J.

Just heard on the radio that Brian Clough has retired !!

Nige.

    
    Re:1
    
    He will retire at the end of the season...
    
    Neil.. 

    
    Does it give a reason why?
    
    The last few times I've seen him on the telly he's looked ill.
    I hope one of the TV stations employ him (he can't be any worse than
    Jimmy Hill).

    Clough must have prempted his chairman who give him a vote of
    confidence over the weekend:-                       

>    The last few times I've seen him on the telly he's looked ill.
    
    
    	Don't know Alan, he's looked something though, as ill as a Sunday
    morning maybe...

    I didn't realise Cloughy had a drink problem (although he certainly
    looks like he does), so I thought 'ill' gave him the benefit of the
    doubt. On the World Service last night, they said he does have a drink
    problem (wot problem?) and that some of the directors didn't like its 
    effects - that, and the fact that Forest are on the verge of relegation, 
    has lead to his descision to resign.
    Probably the best all round.
    
    Al.

    As a County fan, I'm delighted that Cloughie is going; it could be the
    start of a long slippery slope for the Reds (Already Keane is rumoured
    to be off).
    
    As a football fan however, I'm disappointed with his decision. I had
    the honour of interviewing the man back in '76 during one of his "I'm not
    talking to the press" phases, and he commanded a lot of respect. His
    belief in the way football should be played is admirable, as are his
    views on a lot of topics such as the social fabric of the country.
    
    To my mind, he spoke perfect sense 95% of the time, but as always the
    meejah chose to pick up on the more controversial aspects of his career
    to paint a totally different picture. He will be sadly missed in a game
    already lacking enough genuine 'characters'.
    
    Good luck, Brian, in whatever you choose to do next.
    
    Rob
    

    
    
    
    MAY 1st 1993........
    
    PREMIER LEAGUE STATUS R.I.P.
    
    
    

     <<< Note 40.235 by MACNAS::MJGREANEY "VILLA for the PREMIER TITLE!" >>>

You should change your personal name to Forest for the 1st Division     
    

    
    It's amazing isn't it - the same papers who, for the last few weeks,
    have been slagging off Cloughie for being a 'big headed drunkard' are
    now extoling him. 
    Apparantly, although Brian had offered his resignation, he had agreed
    that the announcement wouldn't be made for another 2 weeks. He, and his
    family were shocked to hear the announcement on the news.
    I think Brian Clough was/is one of THE characters of the English football
    league. Although Cloughie is not blameless, I still think it's a shame he 
    has had to go in these circumstances. 
    The crowd at the Forest v Blades match sang "I did it my way" for him.
    

IMHO Forest are in deep trouble now and could find life very difficult for 
themselves in the 1st Div.

Some of their best players like Pearce, Clough & Keane will leave. They've 
wasted money -- why on earth buy Rosario? They don't have the necessary
physical presence to battle it out; pretty football doesn't always work -- ask 
West Ham.

Great joke in 'Have I Got News for You' --

Why is an Essex girl like Forest?

"'cos they're guaranteed to go down for you"

    
    On t.v last night they said of a rumour that Clough may return
    to the Baseball ground next season..
    
    Andy.B

I saw an article on CEEFAX this morning which reported a Sun story (highly
trustworthy, I don't think) that claimed that Clough had shelved his plans for
retirement until such time as Chris Wootton quit ther board of directors.

How true it is I don't know, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

Mike

    MJ,
    
    Forest have finished the season with some silverware in the trophy
    cabinet. A 3-0 win over The 'Pies in the Nottinghamshire County Cup
    last night (That most prestigeous of competitions) ended Cloughie's
    reign on a 'high' note.
    
    And it looks to be between Martin O'Neill and either David Pleat or
    Alan Buckley (depending on what you read/listen to) for the hot seat.
    
    I know who is my favourite ! ....and doing a quick straw poll around
    Kings Cross, everyone's favorite ;-) - Mr Pleat himself.
    
    Rob

    
    According to CEEFAX at lunchtime, O'Neill has turned the Reds down.
    
    Oh dear ! How Sad !
    
    He He He He He
    
    Rob

re O'Neill

I'm not surprised.

He's done a great job at Wycombe and probably wants to see how
far he can them. Also it's one hell of a responsibility moving into
Clough's shoes. Love him or hate him, he has been one of football's
most consistently successful managers, last season excepted, and 
longest serving.

Al

Frank Clarke appointed Forest manager.

Stuart

    
    	Is that the g%t who used to play for Leeds and broke Peter Barnes'
    collar bone? 
    
    		Steve (with a long memory)

    
    He spent 11 years with Newcastle (coming late into the game from
    local-nonleagie) before joining Forest in '75 on a free transfer. He then 
    spent 3 years with Forest as a player. I think he retired as a player then.
    Put it this way, he would have been too old to play for Leeds then, even 
    by their standards.
    
    Tim

    the transfer rumours still continue to dominate ALL FOREST news even
    now with George Graham being the latest interested party in Royston,
    offering both Alan Smith AND Paul Davis plus 4 Million ,this is the
    type of deal which could benefit Forest most, let's hope that it is for
    real rather than an Old Trafford one, unless we get 8 or 9 million at
    least:-))
    
    
    M.J.

    A friend of a friend of a friend who has a friend who is a doctor in
    Nottingham has told me that the word in medical circles in Nottingham
    is that Stuart Pearce will never play again due to his current injury
    (groin ??).
    
    Anybody confirm these rumours ???
    
    		Brian

    well Nigel is now a Liverpool player anyone know how much?
    
    did we give away a few players in exchange

    re: last
    
    Stuart Pearce is having a meeting with new boss Frank Clark today
    Monday about his Forest future,apparently he wants a wage increase or
    else he's also off, The Owls and Man U being the interested parties.
    
    
    
    Re: 	Nigel
    
    the 'Pool are offering 1.5 million, Forest want 2 million, so it looks
    set for a Tribunal...
    
    
    M.J.

    Forest have signed Millwall  centre-half Colin Cooper for 1.75 million
    ,the contract is for four years,they are also pursuing the Norweigan 
    winger who scored the second goal recently against England...Lars
    something..... 600k or thereabouts!
    
    
    
    
    M.J.

    According to our local rag - the Wombles are after your boy Psycho,
    with Sam Hammam saying that he is their sort of player.
    
    Paul

    re:-1,
    	this rumour is nearly as bad as the current one of manu**
    off-loading balckmore,phelan and canchelskis  plus 3 million for the
    Boy Keane!!!!!
    
    
    

    
    Brian Laws left to a first division club whose name escapes me.
    
    Tim

    re:.256
    
    yes , Forest have overspent AGAIN, 2.2 MILLION on Collymore plus
    another 500k after X amount of appearances..
    
    Brian Laws was supposed to join W.Brom..can't remember if it happened!!
    Gary Charles is sorting out a new contract ...
    
    
    M.J.

    Mike here in Austalia. I've watched my beloved home team stuff up from
    half way across the world, and I've given up. I'm going back to being a
    County fan! Or an Aussie rules fan even - Jesus I must be desperate!!
    (PS I'm part of the Warrington/Craven Greens for Sport connection -
    send the deadwood like Rosario out here - Richmond need a new
    centre-half-forward.)
    
    Cheers Mike (in memory of RockCity!)
     

    Forest's two opening games in Division 1 have earned them two points,
    drawing with both Southend (a late penalty ..Pearce) and another 
    equaliser from Ian Woan against Derby last night in a much improved 
    performance in the local "derby." 
    
    
    
    M.J.

    forest beat grimbsy 5-3 at the weekend and are now 3rd in the Endsleigh
    first division ahead of 
    
    
    
    
     DERBY:-)))
    
    
    
    M.J.

    Forest were beaten mid-week last by Palace 2-0, but achieved maximum
    points against Luton on Saturday with a 2-1 win, Woan and RR scoring .
    
    Both centre halves, Colin Cooper and Carl Tiler are on the injury list,
    Tiler having sustained an achilles injury at the end of last season and
    Cooper injuring his knee last Thursday in training and due to go under
    the surgeons knife today. 
    
    
    

     Forest lose 1 nil to 
    
    
    
    
    
     
    BARNSLEY,
    
    
    
    	a team starring  former Forest defender Viv Anderson now
    player/manager and other ex REDS Danny Wislon, Gary Fleming and 
    David Currie
    
    
    
    M.J.
        

    Forest entertain Stoke City  on sunday at the City Ground.
    On the rumour front , a certain Nigel Clough is reportedly very unhappy
    living and playing in scouse land (give him a year ..he'll be back)
    
    ... OBE and Chris Wooton are to feature in a "World In Action" slot
    very soon , similar to the Spurs/Venables/Sugar episode......
    more dirty laundry.........
    
    
    M.J.

Nigel Clough still lives in Derbyshire, and just lately we are unhappy with 
him - The last three games he has done next to nothing - Not entirely his
own fault though!!

Chris

    
    Will Stuart Pearces England place be in any danger due to not playing
    premier football ?. Surely Taylor most be keeping a very close eye on
    his performance. I for one was glad to see him back in the National
    side, like Gascoigne -  Pearce belongs there.
    
    
    Gary
    
    

    Forest managed a 3-3 draw away to Wrexham last night.
    Collymore scored 3 but our dodgy defence gave away a penalty AGAIN and
    conceded 2 other soft goals...looks like the speculation of the arrival 
    of Tommy Wright inspired Crossley to have one of his best games of
    late..
    
    Forest expect Wright to be playing against Bolton at the weekend!
    
    
    M.J.

    Norwegian papers write that Norwegian player Lars Bohinen
    (who scored a wonderful goal against England...) has signed a contract
    with Nottingham Forest. Any news/views in Britain?
    
    Henrik

    no match report other than stuffed by Bolton Wanderers 4-3.
    
    
    RR and Woan are now out injured.........

    After last night's revelations on World in Action a Mr B Clough has
    allegedly spent most of today trying to contact Ken Dodd's lawyer!
    
    Mike M

    Expel Forest from the league, I say !
    
    Rob
    
    
    ....without any hint of bias from the other side of The Trent ;-)

    Kingsley Black , Gary Crosby and Stan Collymore scored for Forest in
    their 3-1 win over Wrexham...exciting stuff
    
    
    Home to the Hammers in the next round...
    
    
    M.J.

    looks like Forest may lose out on the Lars Bohinen deal as Cremenose
    have increased their bonus offer!!!!!!!!!!!!11
    
    M.J.

M.J.

When is the "derby" match vs County?

Chris Swiffen

    Chris
    
    It's scheduled for October 30th at the City Ground, though I wouldn't
    be surprised to see it switched to the Sunday for Central to televise.
    
    Rob

    
    Re .278      -< Date Wanted >-
    
    
    Perhaps ypu should cross-post in STARCH::SINGLES.   (:^:)
    
    
    
    
    Sorry, I just couldn't resist !
    
    
    Jerry

    
    
    
    
Forest 1993/94 season
Date     h/a competition
                      opponents
15/08/93  a  League   Southend United     1-1 Pearce (pen)
18/08/93  h  League   Derby County        1-1 Woan
21/08/93  h  League   Grimsby Town        5-3 Black,og,Glover,Woan,Rosario
24/08/93  a  League   Crystal Palace      0-2
28/08/93  a  League   Luton Town          2-1 Black,Woan
 
08/09/93  a  A-I      Derby County        2-3 Glover, Gemmill
11/09/93  a  League   Barnsley            0-1
15/09/93  h  A-I      Notts County        1-1 Collymore
19/09/93  h  League   Stoke City          2-3 Phillips, Pearce
21/09/93  a  CC 2     Wrexham             3-3 Collymore 3
26/09/93  a  League   Bolton Wanderers    3-4 Collymore 2, Phillips
 
02/10/93  h  League   Portsmouth          1-1 Stone
06/10/93  h  CC 2     Wrexham             3-1 Black, Crosby, Collymore
16/10/93  h  League   Tranmere Rovers
20/10/93  h  League   Oxford United
24/10/93  a  League   Leicester City
27/10/93  h  CC 3     West Ham United
30/10/93  h  League   Notts County
t.b.a     a  League   Wolverhampton Wanderers - off internationals
 
03/11/93  h  League   Millwall
06/11/93  a  League   Birmingham City
13/11/93  h  League   Peterborough United
20/11/93  a  League   West Bromich Albion
27/11/93  a  League   Sunderland
 
01/12/93     Coca-Cola Cup 4th round
04/12/93  h  League   Birmingham City
11/12/93  a  League   Derby County
18/12/93  h  League   Southend United
27/12/93  h  League   Middlesbrough
28/12/93  a  League   Bristol City
 
01/01/94  h  League   Charlton Athletic
03/01/94  a  League   Watford
08/01/94     FA Cup 3rd round
12/01/94     Coca-Cola Cup 5th round
15/01/94  a  League   Tranmere Rovers
22/01/94  h  League   Wolverhampton Wanderers
29/01/94     FA Cup 4th round
 
05/02/94  h  League   Leicester City
12/02/94  a  League   Notts County
13/02/94     Coca-Cola Cup semi-final 1st leg (or 16th Feb)
19/02/94  h  League   Crystal Palace (FA cup 5th round date as well)
22/02/94  a  League   Grimsby Town
23/02/94     Coca-Cola Cup semi-final 2nd leg (or 27th Feb)
26/02/94  a  League   Oxford United
 
05/03/94  h  League   Luton Town
12/03/94  a  League   Stoke City (FA Cup 6th round date as well)
16/03/94  h  League   Barnsley
19/03/94  h  League   Bolton Wanderers
26/03/94  a  League   Portsmouth
27/03/94     Coca-Cola Cup final
30/03/94  h  League   Watford
 
02/04/94  a  League   Middlesbrough
04/04/94  h  League   Bristol City
09/04/94  a  League   Charlton Athletic (FA Cup Semis)
16/04/94  a  League   Millwall
23/04/94  h  League   West Bromich Albion
30/04/94  a  League   Peterborough United
 
07/05/94  h  League   Sunderland
 
t.b.a     a  League   Wolverhampton Wanderers - off internationals

 
 
Division One Results Saturday 8/10/93
-------------------------------------
 
Barnsley                 (0) 0  Charlton Athletic        (1) 1   5186
                                Pardew p12
 
Derby County             (1) 2  Luton Town               (0) 1  15885
Kitson 18  Johnson 73           Williamson 90
 
Grimsby Town             (2) 4  Southend United          (0) 0   4726
Mendonca 22 p28  Childs 57 68   Sansome sent off
 
Leicester City               P  Crystal Palace               P
 
Millwall                 (1) 2  West Bromwich Albion     (0) 1  11010
Goodman 7  Rae p52              Bradley 76
 
Notts County             (0) 2  Bristol City             (0) 0   6418
McSwegan p69  Draper 78
 
Peterborough United      (1) 2  Portsmouth               (2) 2   6538
McGlashan 18  Adcock 66         McLoughlin 22  Walsh 41
 
Sunderland               (1) 1  Birmingham City          (0) 0  19265
Howey 30                        Mardon sent off 82
 
Tranmere Rovers          (1) 2  Bolton Wanderers         (1) 1  10128
Malkin 17  Nevin 81             Brown 41
 
 
 
Division 1 Results Sunday 10/10/93
----------------------------------
 
Oxford United            (1) 1  Stoke City               (0) 0   6489
Penney 41
 
Watford                  (0) 2  Middlesbrough            (0) 0   7582
Furlong 73  Dyer 85
 
 
    Division One             P  W  D  L   F   A  W  D  L   F   A Pts  (Gls)
 1. Tranmere Rovers         11  5  0  1  12   6  2  2  1   5   5  23   (17)
 2. Crystal Palace           9  4  1  0  12   2  2  1  1   8   5  20   (20)
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 3. Charlton Athletic       11  3  2  0   7   1  2  3  1   6   8  20   (13)
 4. Leicester City           9  3  1  0  10   4  3  0  2   6   5  19   (16)
 5. Middlesbrough           11  2  2  1   8   4  3  1  2  11   9  18   (19)
 6. Derby County            10  5  0  0  15   4  0  2  3   2  11  17   (17)
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 7. Grimsby Town            11  2  4  0   9   3  1  3  1  10  11  16   (19)
 8. Watford                 10  3  2  1   9   6  1  1  2   7  10  15   (16)
 9. Millwall                10  3  1  1   9   6  1  2  2   2   7  15   (11)
10. Southend United         10  2  1  1   6   3  2  1  3   9  11  14   (15)
11. Bristol City            11  3  1  1   7   4  1  1  4   5  10  14   (12)
12. Notts County             9  4  0  1  10   4  0  1  3   5  10  13   (15)
13. Wolverhampton Wanderers 10  2  2  1   9   6  1  1  3   6   8  12   (15)
14. Portsmouth              11  2  2  1   7   6  0  4  2   8  13  12   (15)
15. Birmingham City         10  1  3  1   9   8  1  2  2   6   7  11   (15)
16. Stoke City              10  1  0  3   3   5  2  2  2  10  12  11   (13)
17. Sunderland               9  3  1  1   9   4  0  1  3   1   8  11   (10)
18. Bolton Wanderers         9  2  1  1   7   6  1  1  3   3   7  11   (10)
19. Oxford United            9  3  1  1  12   9  0  0  4   2   9  10   (14)
20. Barnsley                11  1  1  4   5  10  2  0  3   6  11  10   (11)
21. Nottingham Forest        9  1  2  1   9   8  1  1  3   6   9   9   (15)
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22. West Bromwich Albion    10  2  2  1  10  10  0  1  4   5  10   9   (15)
23. Peterborough United     10  2  3  1  11   7  0  0  4   1   9   9   (12)
24. Luton Town              10  2  0  3   8   7  0  2  3   3   8   8   (11)
    
    

    Latest news on the transfer front, Kevin Ratcliffe has signed on a
    month's loan from Cardiff City..........

    
    < Note 40.269 by KERNEL::WITHALLG "Even Better Than The Real Thing">
    
    The Sunday tabloids are reporting that Stuart Pearec has signed a new
    contract with a built in escape clause. Stuart is worried about his
    England career whilst not in the Premier shop window.
    
    Remember - you read it here first  !. ;-)
    
    
    Gazzer

    
    
 Forest beat top of the table Tranmere 2-1 on Saturday, far more comfortably
than the scoreline suggests.  The team saw the return of Pearce and Rosario
with Laws moving to right back to allow Pearce the number 3 shirt. Lyttle
was dropped to the bench along with Steve Howe. Over 20,000 in for the
biggest attendance in division again saw Forest take a very poor Tranmere
side apart from the start. Stan opened the scoring (who else? :-) with a
typical turn of a defender and acceleration to the edge of the box where
he slotted it in with all the ease of a confident striker. He really is
looking the business, now he's got a few goals under his belt, 8 in 7
games I believe, and looks as though he will score with almost every attack.
Forests second came after the break and Stan was again involved with
Gemmill putting the ball in. The oh so rare clean sheet was looming when
Chris Malkin was allowed to head a consolation for Tranmere in the last
minute.
 
 The team on Saturday was
Wright, Laws, Pearce, Crosby, Chettle, Stone, Phillips, Gemmill, Rosario,
Collymore, Black subs Lyttle (not used) & Howe (on for Rosario with 7
minutes to go) in a formation as follows
                          Wright
Laws        Phillips     Chettle    Pearce
Crosby      Stone        Gemmill    Black
            Rosario      Collymore
 
Last weekends results
 
Birmingham 1 - 0 Watford
Bolton 4 - 0 Millwall
Bristol City 0 - 2 Barnsley
Charlton 2 - 1 Leicester
Crystal Palace 1 - 1 Wolves
Luton 1 - 0 Notts County
Middlesbrough 4 - 1 Sunderland
FOREST 2 - 1 Tranmere
Portsmouth 3 - 2 Derby
Southend 6 - 1 Oxford
Stoke 1 - 0 Grimsby
West Brom 3 - 0 Peterborough
 
Current Table
 
                          P  W  D  L   F   A   GD Pts
  1 Tranmere............ 12  7  2  3  18  13    5  23
  2 Charlton............ 12  6  5  1  15  10    5  23
  3 Middlesbrough....... 12  6  3  3  23  14    9  21
  4 Crystal Palace...... 10  6  3  1  21   8   13  21
  5 Leicester........... 10  6  1  3  17  11    6  19
  6 Southend............ 11  5  2  4  21  15    6  17
  7 Derby............... 11  5  2  4  19  18    1  17
  8 Grimsby............. 12  3  7  2  19  15    4  16
  9 Portsmouth.......... 12  3  6  3  18  21   -3  15
 10 Watford............. 11  4  3  4  16  17   -1  15
 11 Millwall............ 11  4  3  4  11  17   -6  15
 12 Birmingham.......... 11  3  5  3  16  15    1  14
 13 Bolton.............. 10  4  2  4  14  13    1  14
 14 Stoke............... 11  4  2  5  14  17   -3  14
 15 Bristol City........ 12  4  2  6  12  16   -4  14
 16 Wolves.............. 11  3  4  4  16  15    1  13
 17 Notts County........ 10  4  1  5  15  15    0  13
 18 Barnsley............ 12  4  1  7  13  21   -8  13
 19 West Brom........... 11  3  3  5  18  20   -2  12
 20 FOREST.............. 10  3  3  4  17  18   -1  12
 21 Luton............... 11  3  2  6  12  15   -3  11
 22 Sunderland.......... 10  3  2  5  11  16   -5  11
 23 Oxford.............. 10  3  1  6  15  24   -9  10
 24 Peterborough........ 11  2  3  6  12  19   -7   9
    
    
    
    
    
    thanks to Ian Copping for compiling the above.

Last Nights results and Endsleigh League Division 1 table

 
Millwall - Notts County 2-0 (0-0). M: Rae (str.63), Verver (67). 
Att: 5 887.
Nottingham Forest - Oxford 0-0. Att: 18 462.
Sunderland - Luton 2-0 (2-0). S: Goodman (12), Smith (19). Att: 
13 760.
 
Tranmere             12  7  2  3 18-13 23
Charlton             12  6  5  1 15-10 23
Middlesbr.           12  6  3  3 23-14 21
Crystal P.           10  6  3  1 21- 8 21
Leicester            10  6  1  3 17-11 19
Millwall             12  5  3  4 13-17 18
Southend             11  5  2  4 21-15 17
Derby                11  5  2  4 19-18 17
Birmingham           12  4  5  3 18-16 17
Grimsby              12  3  7  2 19-15 16
Portsmouth           12  3  6  3 18-21 15
Watford              11  4  3  4 16-17 15
Bolton               11  4  2  5 15-15 14
Stoke                11  4  2  5 14-17 14
Sunderland           11  4  2  5 13-16 14
Bristol C.           12  4  2  6 12-16 14
NOTTINGHAM           11  3  4  4 17-18 13
Wolverh.             11  3  4  4 16-15 13
Notts C.             11  4  1  6 15-17 13
Barnsley             12  4  1  7 13-21 13
West Bromw.          11  3  3  5 18-20 12
Oxford               11  3  2  6 15-24 11
Luton                12  3  2  7 12-17 11
Peterborough         11  2  3  6 12-19  9
 
 
	Forest in the Transfer market


Lars Bohinen to sign fo Forest.

(Short notice from Aftenposten Norweigan Newspaper)
 
BOHINEN READY FOR NOTTINGHAM
Lars Bohinen is ready for the english 1.div. team Nottingham Forest,
says TV 2. Lillestroem and the national team midfielder Wednesday
signed the three-year contract with Forest. The english club has
been chasing Bohinens signature for a long time.


=============================================================
(Longer article from Aftenposten yesterday)
 
FOREST READY TO BUY: 4.5 MILLIONS (NOK=450000 POUNDS) FOR BOHINEN
 
Nottingham Forest is ready to buy. Yesterday (Tuesday) Lars Bohinen
was in England to speak with the Nottingham-management. The parts
had few troubles. As far as Aftenposten know Nottingham is willing 
to pay about 4.5 mill. kroner for Bohinen. the Norwegian player is 
also satisfied with the proposal for his personal contract he has
been shown.
The only thing that prevents Lars Bohinen from starting to play in
the English league now, is cooperation problems between Lillestroem
and Young Boys. Bohinen is in fact a very complicated subject - when
seen from the ownership point of view. Young Boys in Switserland owns
half of Bohinen. The other half is owned by a private businessman 
in Oslo, but Lillestroem has the negotiation-rights. This has to be
solved before Bohinen can be an English 1.div. player.
Lars Bohinen has been in contact with Nottingham for quite long now.
They have seen him play on several occasions both in club matches
and not least in the national team. Young Boys has earlier been most
keen on selling Bohinen to a club on the continent, but when it now
comes a concrete offer from Nottingham it's reasons to believe that
the Swiss won't let millions go away. Their clubs economy is far from 
satisfactory.


 
 
	Match report v Oxford United

Well Forest were dreadful last night against Oxford. Mind you Oxford were
as bad, but even so... 
 
The main highlight was a clean sheet at last in the 0-0 draw. Stan Collymore
was out, with an injury suffered in training, when someone stood on his foot.
He was seen on crutches before the game, but hopefully that was just to keep
his weight off the injury and nothing more serious. His place went to Steve
Howe who tried hard, possibly too hard, but just wasn't quite good enough.
It seemed as though the whole team were down with the news of no Stan and
rarely looked like scoring. Oxford came with the attitude of keeping the
score down, regularly had 11 men behind the ball, a six man defence and an
offside trap. Very frustating to watch, and the ref was one of those who
blew for absolutely everything, again stopping any flow the game might have
had. Steve Stone had a free header from 7 or 8 yards which he put over
towards the end when he should have buried it, and Rosario put a good shot
into the side netting, convincing many that he'd scored. Colin Cooper came
on for the last 15 minutes for Steve Howe, and releasing David Phillips
from the defence, so that's probably another good point, seeing Cooper
back in action. If they play like that against Leicester on Sunday, expect
a stuffing that's all I can say.
 
	2nd report
 
As many will probably have noticed, Forest seem to have great difficulty
penetrating the opposition defence when Stan - the - Man is not in the team.
This is reminiscent of the Arsenal side last year who where very short on goals
when Wright was unfit or injured. I hope that this will be a short term problem
as we cannot expect Collymore to carry our goalscoring threat alone.
Eventually, teams will find a way to shut him down and we'll be stuffed! 
 
Last night was very frustrating.  Despite having Oxford on
the rack we never looked like scoring to me. It was nice to see the defence get
their clean sheet but three points would have been even nicer. Cooper seems fit
to return so that will release Phillips to the wing where he can do some real
damage. He's been a real bonus this season. A real pro who fits in all over the
pitch. A very good buy Mr Clark (probably as good as stan and cooper). I hope
with Phillips on the wing that Crosby will be dropped because he's not quite up
to the mark in my opinion. Also, when Woan is fit I think Black will be sitting
on the bench. he wastes good opportunities.
 



 
Colllymore was interviewed by Radio Trent about ten minutes after
the match.  Apparently, Cooper put one of his studs thorugh Collymore's
boot creating a hole which was "very painful!!".  He's due for 
an X-ray this morning .
 
Kingsley Black has been the target for the boo boys for some
time but his performance last night was .. well whats the word.. sh*t.
To offload responsibility onto other players so readily, i.e. back to
Pearce, back to Pearce, etc., is disgraceful for an International.
When is Woan back?
 
 the arrival of Cooper back in the defense (Phillips out to right wing) was 
some great news.Chettle had an excellent game.
 
Lars Bohinen has agreed terms with Forest & Clark, but the transfer is
being held up, by
wrangles between Lillestroem who he is on loan with until next week, and
his original club Young Boys Berne, who are arguing over who should get
the fee. Why Forest can't deposit the money with UEFA and let them sort
it out, then we could have the player now, instead of in 2 or 3 matches time.
 

    
    
    M.J.
    
    
    

  
3RD REPORT
 
First, the good points.
1.  A crowd of 18,462.
      This is very good as I reckon I could just about count the Oxford
   supporters in the away end individually. Cant have been more than 100.
2.  A clean sheet!
      First of the season.
3.  Er....
 
Now the rest.
      In my opinion, Forest's performance wasnt all bad.  Plenty of chances
   were made, only problem is no-one to score them without Stan.
   I've rarely seen such a one-sided game - it was 35 mins before Forest
   had a goal-kick, and I've never seen Psycho spend so much time in the
   opposition half.   Oxford were obviously determined to improve on
   their performance last Saturday when they lost 6-1 at Southend, and
   were only interested in a 0-0.
      I found it difficult to understand why Cooper was on the bench -
   it seems to me that if he's fit he should be in the side to allow
   Phillips to move forward, and if he may not be fit it must be better
   to start with him so that he can be replaced if he breaks down.
      I'm surprised Ratcliffe hasn't had a game yet - surely we need to
   know whether he can play in the 1st team, not the reserves.
      I was very sceptical about paying so much money for Colleymore.
   After all, it's still less than a year since Palace sold him to
   Southend for 150,000 pounds.   However, having seen him on Saturday
   I take it all back.   He's quick, got skill, holds up and lays the
   ball off well, and looks like a genuine striker who knows where the
   goal is, and looks like scoring practically every time he has the ball.
      I just hope he stays fit and we can get Phillips and Woan on the wings
   to provide him with the ball. (Question - which current international
   left winger can't get past any full back?  Answer - one guess!)

(K.B.)

4TH REPORT

Like others the only bonuses from the match were, the attendance,
a clean sheet and the appearance of Cooper, The rest was quite
unforgettable.
Although Oxford came for the point, it's up to us go out and win
the match and even if we'd have carried on playing till midnight
we still would not have scored.
The lessons to be learnt from last night were that No Stan No Goals.
Both wingers, and I use the term very loosly cannot beat a man, centre
a ball and get pushed off the ball to easy. The midfield rushed at
everthing when all was needed was someone to put his foot on the ball.
The forwards were inept and never really looked as if they would
never score.
The defence looked solid enough which brings me to my biggest gripe,
team selection and substitutes. When at home, your leading scorer
out you dont have two defenders on the bench. Why o why didnt Frank
bring on Cooper at halftime and give Forest a fighting chance.
If Radcliffe is only here for a month how on earth do we know how
good he is without trying him out.
Last night should have taught us a valuable lesson. For a club
with our stature, finance and support we are woeflly short of
people capable of scoring goals and getting us back to where
we should be ie The Premier League.                                 
 
Last night there were two interesting spectators in the Directors
box ie Billy Bonds who left with 15 mins to go and Brian Little.
Both I suspect saw nothing to frighten them.
 
    
    
    
    
    

 
Forest deserved more from the game against Leicester than they got, even
the Leicester manager thought that a 2-2 draw would have been a fairer
result. Still life isn't fair, they are just going to have pull their socks
up and get on with it. Forest had a goal disallowed in the first half. A free
kick was awarded for the Leicester keeper picking up a backpass, and while
the defenders were arguing with the ref, Rosario took the kick quickly to
Gemmill, who slotted it in, however he was deemed to be offside. Not much
arguement about that, as Gemmill and Rosario were both in front of the
defenders when the ball was played.
 
Not much else I can add, some refs would have given us a pen towards the
end, but they really weren't quite good enough. Webb looked overweight,
Black has completely lost his confidence, Stone & Gemmill aren't dominating
the midfield enough, and Stan can't do it all on his own, despite looking
like he can sometimes. 
 
Onto Chris's comments re Pearce. As far as I can gather this story started
in a week last Sundays, Sunday Mirror, a paper well known for its dislike
of Forest. They claimed there was a clause in Psycho's contract allowing
him to leave if Forest weren't promoted at first attempt. From the current
league table (2 matches ago when the article appeared) they concluded that
Forest weren't going up, so therefore Pearce would leave a.s.a.p.
The report has appeared nowhere else, and I find it hard to believe, given
all that Pearce said on the subject once he signed his new contract, I really
can't see him leaving. He has almost reached the stage where he is bigger than
the club, maybe that's a little ridiculous, but it would be a very bitter
blow if he was sold. So hopefully we can dismiss it as pure paper talk.
 
Brian Clough is apparently going to sue the World-in-Action programme makers
over their recent programme, so that would seem to indicate that he's sure
the allegations about him aren't true. He threatened to sue Chris Wooton
over the drinking allegations, but hasn't yet.
 
 
Barnsley 1 - 3 Southend
Derby 3 - 1 Crystal Palace
Leicester 1 - 0 FOREST
Grimsby 0 - 1 Charlton
Millwall 1 - 1 Middlesbrough
Notts County 1 - 1 Portsmouth
Oxford 0 - 1 Luton
Peterborough 1 - 0 Birmingham
Sunderland 1 - 0 West Brom
Tranmere 2 - 2 Bristol City
Watford 4 - 3 Bolton
Wolves 1 - 1 Stoke
 
                          P  W  D  L   F   A   GD Pts
  1 Charlton............ 13  7  5  1  16  10    6  26
  2 Tranmere............ 13  7  3  3  20  15    5  24
  3 Middlesbrough....... 13  6  4  3  24  15    9  22
  4 Leicester........... 11  7  1  3  18  11    7  22
  5 Crystal Palace...... 11  6  3  2  22  11   11  21
  6 Southend............ 12  6  2  4  24  16    8  20
  7 Derby............... 12  6  2  4  22  19    3  20
  8 Millwall............ 13  5  4  4  14  18   -4  19
  9 Watford............. 12  5  3  4  20  20    0  18
 10 Birmingham.......... 13  4  5  4  18  17    1  17
 11 Sunderland.......... 12  5  2  5  14  16   -2  17
 12 Grimsby............. 13  3  7  3  19  16    3  16
 13 Portsmouth.......... 13  3  7  3  19  22   -3  16
 14 Stoke............... 12  4  3  5  15  18   -3  15
 15 Bristol City........ 13  4  3  6  14  18   -4  15
 16 Bolton.............. 12  4  2  6  18  19   -1  14
 17 Wolves.............. 12  3  5  4  17  16    1  14
 18 Notts County........ 12  4  2  6  16  18   -2  14
 19 Luton............... 13  4  2  7  13  17   -4  14
 20 FOREST.............. 12  3  4  5  17  19   -2  13
 21 Barnsley............ 13  4  1  8  14  24  -10  13
 22 West Brom........... 12  3  3  6  18  21   -3  12
 23 Peterborough........ 12  3  3  6  13  19   -6  12
 24 Oxford.............. 12  3  2  7  15  25  -10  11




*** 2nd report 

Once again, fate was not kind to Forest. We lost 1-0 against Leicester although
we probably did enough to share the points. The Forest team was Wright, Laws,
Pearce, Cooper, Chettle, Stone, Philips, Gemmill, rRosario,Collymore and Black.
Webb and Crosby were subs.
 
Forest started well and Black should have made more of a chance created by
Gemmill in the first minute. However, for much of the first hal, Leicester
dominated and the goal had been on the cards for some time - scored by
Speedie froma corner (although not the usual forest  confusion this time).
This actually appeared to spur Forest into action and they came back into the
game. however, so much of what they were doing seemed to revolve around
pumping high balls forward while Leicester seemed more inclined to play
neat football.
 
The second half saw the loss of Cooper (having only just returned from injury).
He was taken off with a shoulder injury. Shortly after that Rosario picked
up an injury and also had to go off. This actually wasn't quite as bad as it
seemed (even though it did mean Crosby playing as centre forward). Webb came on
and without Rosario as a target man, Forest played some rather neater football.
Needless to say, goals were not forthcoming, although Collymore hit the post
with a superb effort early in the second half and Forest might have had a
penalty in the dying minutes.
 

 
Last night Forest beat West Ham 2-1 in the 3rd round of the Coca-Cola Cup.
The team was as expected, with Phillips replacing the injured Cooper in
defence and Glover replacing Rosario in attack.
 
An entertaining game, that the ref allowed to flow, even overlooking the
occasional over physical foul. Forest took the lead after 27 minutes when
Stan Collymore looped a long cross from left to right wings, to Crosby who
some reckoned tried a shot, but in my opinion, he vollyed it back into the
centre for Kingsley Black to head home.
 
The second half was much the same, end to end stuff, with both teams playing
or attempting to play the passing game. Stan-the-man increased Forests lead
10 minutes into the second half with a powerful header in the 6 yard box.
Brian Laws got booked, and a couple of final warnings when a sending off looked
likely, another example of the refs leniecy, still at least it was in our
favour. Forest made the last 7 minutes unneecessarily tense by conceeding a
soft goal. A long ball through the middle was misjudged by Phillips (his only
mistake of another immaculate performance) allowing the striker to get
behind him and win the one on one with Tommy Wright.
 
Stan Collymore was awarded man of the match, but Phillips must have run him
close, and Chettle deserves a mention, for the way he has played recently.
Not the most popular of players, but he has commanded the defence well, 
especially when he has either Phillips or Cooper with him. Neil Webb came
on for the last few minutes for Glover, to tighten up midfield. Overall
a good performance and entertaining game. The crowd was 17,857 which isn't 
bad, West Ham brought a large following, probably around 3,500-4,000. As
its a game that season ticket holders have to pay for, that probably explains
it as it's not cheap, especially if you have a child to take as well. Still
when you consider that Liverpool with all their marvelous dedicated fans
could only manage 19,000+ for their game with Ipswich, that puts it in
perspective.
 
In the next round draw, Forest have more premier league opposition in 
Manchester City at home.
 
    
    
    
    
    ...... thanks to Ian Copping for the Match report

Hey the marvellous dedicated fans can only take so
much rubbish at that price!!!

By the way this marvellous dedicated fan will be at
the Nottingham derby match this Saturday!!!

Chris.

    Chris
    
    You *WILL* be cheering for the right team, won't you !
    
    Rob

Rob,

Will be sitting with a Forest fan in the Upper Executive
but will be hoping that County win !!!

Chris.

 
At least 80% of Nottingham was smiling Saturday night, after Forest won
the local derby against Notts 1-0, the goal almost inevertable coming from
Stan Collymore. The team saw Cooper returning to the defence to allow
Phillips on the right wing, but Rosario was still out, (I believe for about
a month) and his place went to Glover. The City Ground was quite full with
nearly 27,000 in and just odd spare seats dotted about.
 
Overall the game was a little disappointing with neither side particularly
dominating any period, though Forest did look generally the better in the
2nd half. Stan suffered a clash of heads early in game, and went off for 
around 10 minutes of treatment, but came back with a John McEnroe style
headband/bandage to protect a cut that later had 2 stiches in it.
 
Colin Cooper had a free header from close range in the first half, which he
managed to steer very wide, when he should have been a lot closer. That was
probably the best chance of the first 45 minutes. In the second Forest stepped
up a gear and created more chances, with several efforts going close, including
a close range toe-poke by Pearce that just shaved the wrong side of the post.
We were up for that one! However the goal eventually came after an excellent
cross-field ball from Gemmill to Phillips, sent the Welshman down the wing
for him to provide a deep cross right on Stans head. Stan, completely unmarked
had all the time in the world to plant a very positive header in the net, and
go off on practically a lap of honour. Not a great game, but a great result
for the red side of Nottingham, and more importantly 3 points.
 
Onto Lars Bohenin, all reports over here seem to indicate that the deal is
just about settled and he is likely to be in the squad for Wednesdays match
against Millwall (presumably for Glover or maybe Black).
 
The AGM last Thursday saw Chris Wooton back on the board and the other 2 who
were seeking re-election, re-elected successfully. So the board is exactly
how it was 12 months ago, with promises of more openness and finacial
accountability. Personally I'd have liked to have seen a new face there,
but Wooton and George Waterhouse wont be afraid to speak out if, they think
something is not right.


	weekend results
 
Bolton-Derby 0-2
Bristol C.-Sunderland 2-0
Charlton-Oxford 1-0
Crystal P.-Grimsby 1-0
Luton-Leicester 0-2
Middlesbr.-Peterborough 1-1
Nottingham-Notts C. 1-0
Portsmouth-Tranmere 2-0
Southend-Wolverh. 1-1
Stoke-Barnsley 5-4
West Bromw.-Watford 4-1
Birmingham-Millwall 1-0
 


Charlton             14  8  5  1 17-10 29
Leicester            12  8  1  3 20-11 25
Crystal P.           12  7  3  2 23-11 24
Tranmere             14  7  3  4 20-17 24
Middlesbr.           14  6  5  3 25-16 23
Derby                13  7  2  4 24-19 23
Southend             13  6  3  4 25-17 21
Birmingham           14  5  5  4 19-17 20
Portsmouth           14  4  7  3 21-22 19
Millwall             14  5  4  5 14-19 19
Watford              13  5  3  5 21-24 18
Stoke                13  5  3  5 20-22 18
Bristol C.           14  5  3  6 16-18 18
Sunderland           13  5  2  6 14-18 17
Grimsby              14  3  7  4 19-17 16
NOTTINGHAM FOREST    13  4  4  5 18-19 16
West Bromw.          13  4  3  6 22-22 15
Wolverh.             13  3  6  4 18-17 15
Bolton               13  4  2  7 18-21 14
Notts C.             13  4  2  7 16-19 14
Luton                14  4  2  8 13-19 14
Barnsley             14  4  1  9 18-29 13
Peterborough         13  3  4  6 14-20 13
Oxford               13  3  2  8 15-26 11



compiled by Ian Copping.

I was at the City ground on Saturday, it was a reasonably
disappointing match.  County played some neat passing football
in the first half but seemed to totally give up in the second
half.  Pearce inspired Forest 2nd half, Philips had a good
game, Gemmill took a lot of stick, which seemed to affect him.

Good goal though, Gemmill long ball out to Philips on the wing,
crossed in for Stan to have a free header.  McSweegan could and
should have equalised with a few minutes left but volleyed over
into the Trent End.  It still does not seem to be the Forest of
old though.

Chris.

Hi everyone,
 
Good Morning. Right thats all the nice bits you're getting :-)
It's on mornings like this that I wish I didn't have tell you what
happened last night. It's on days like this that most of you should be
glad you weren't in the 17,584 at the City Ground last night. Millwall
who haven't scored in their last 9 away games went away from Forest
with a comfortable 3-1 victory.
 
Not only were Forest predominately useless, they showed a remarkable
lack of passion and fight. It took me back to last March when the
inevertable relegation became a reality. I was asked last night to
name any players worth more than 4 out of 10 for their performance,
I said David Phillips and er, er David Phillips !! Lyttle was back in
the side for the injured Laws, and the Trent End seemed to blame him
for the third, and he was subjected to a lot of boos from the crowd.
Well why didn't they boo Black, who failed to clear a ball that led
the Millwalls first. Or how about booing Cooper who was at fault for
the suspiciously offside second. What about booing Pearce & Collymore
for their apparent lack of interest. Then Glover who scored Forests
consolation was booed when the tannoy announced him as the scorer,
what the hell do they want?, don't they want Glover to score? It annoys
me that the fans don't even attempt to back the team, even given the
circumstances, the players aren't being deliberatly crap. Nobody goes
into work intending to have a bad day, they just happen.
 
Webb played the second half in place of Gemmill, but wasn't able to
change things. Four away games coming up, maybe the players will appreciate
that, as the pressure from the home crowd wont be on them quite as much,
and at least the fans who go away get behind the team.
 
The Bradford 4 has in reality turned out to be 2, namely Laura McEndoo and
Steven Turner, welcome aboard folks.
 
Anyway I've ranted enough, I'm sure someone else who was there will have
something to say.
 
midweek results:
Bolton 1 - 1 Peterborough
Bristol City 3 - 0 Birmingham
Charlton 1 - 2 Derby
Crystal Palace 3 - 2 Luton
Grimsby 0 - 0 Leicester
Forest 1 - 3 Millwall
Oxford 1 - 1 Barnsley
Portsmouth 2 - 0 Middlesbrough
Southend 2 - 0 Watford
Stoke 1 - 0 Sunderland
Tranmere 3 - 0 West Brom
Wolves 3 - 0  Notts County



 
1.Charlton             15  8  5  2 18-12 29
2.Crystal P.           13  8  3  2 26-13 27
3.Tranmere             15  8  3  4 23-17 27
4.Derby                14  8  2  4 26-20 26
5.Leicester            13  8  2  3 20-11 26
6.Southend             14  7  3  4 27-17 24
7.Middlesbrough        15  6  5  4 25-18 23
8.Portsmouth           15  5  7  3 23-22 22
9.Millwall             15  6  4  5 17-20 22
10.Stoke                14  6  3  5 21-22 21
11.Bristol C.           15  6  3  6 19-18 21
12.Birmingham           15  5  5  5 19-20 20
13.Wolverh.             14  4  6  4 21-17 18
14.Watford              14  5  3  6 21-26 18
15.Grimsby              15  3  8  4 19-17 17
16.Sunderland           14  5  2  7 14-19 17
17.NOTTINGHAM  FOREST   14  4  4  6 19-22 16
18.West Bromw.          14  4  3  7 22-25 15
19.Bolton               14  4  3  7 19-22 15
20.Barnsley             15  4  2  9 19-30 14
21.Notts C.             14  4  2  8 16-22 14
22.Peterborough         14  3  5  6 15-21 14
23.Luton                15  4  2  9 15-22 14
24.Oxford               14  3  3  8 16-27 12
 
Promoted: Two best
Qual: Four next
Relegated: Three last (oops two points ahead)
 
 
Cheers - Ian
    
    
2nd match report........

    2ND half report ...C Ennew.

 
As Ian mentioned earlier, there were distinct overtones of March 1993 and
relegation. In addition to Philips, I thought Glover actually tried - its
not his fault that he's not quick enough to get onto a lot of balls played
up to him. As for the booing, I was at a loss to understand what he had
done to deserve that amount of abuse when others in the team were every 
bit as bad (if not worse) and didn't even look as though they were trying.
I realise that Glover has never been the most popular player with the
crowd; I am somewhat at a loss to understannd what Lyttle has done
to deserve the same treatment but in his case its difficult to say he's
never been popular because he hasn't been here that long. Again from
what i saw he was at fault with the thrid goal but otherwise didn't
play too badly. Except that once the massed booing started he was 
clearly too nervous to do anything other than make square passes. I don't
know what anyone else in the crowd felt but from the abuse that was being 
hurled at Lyttle from near our seats, i got the distinct impression (I hope
i'm wrong) that it was not unrelated to his colour.
 
It was quite clear last night that Forest have still got some problems 
in midfield - there seemed to be huge gaps between Glover/Collymore and the
midfield so whenever the ball went foward to either of the strikers there
was a distinct lack of any real support. Like Ian, I though Collymore
looked rather disnterested and had a poor game. I still fail to understand
why he should want to / should have to spend so much of his time on the
left wing when we are supposedly playing with an international left winger.
When Collymore did deliver a cross there was no one in the box with enough
speed to get on the end of it. Arguably Forest were deprived of a second goal
with a very marginal offside decision when Collymore broke free. He put the
ball in the net although whether the goalkeeper would hev been more effective
if the offside falg hadn't been raised I don't know. In any case I think a 3-2
scoreline would have flattered us.
 
Lets hope a little run away from home will help to sort things out - I don't
fancy sitting through another half like the second half last night.
 
Chris
    

 Lars Bohinen is available for the Birmingham
match but he stated on local radio that he will confirm if its OK to
play by ringing the Norwegian FA as the team do not get together till
Sunday.
On the injury front, Pearce is receiving treatment for the knock he
received in the Millwall match. Gemmill received a knock and concussion
during the same match but should be available to compete for a place
on Saturday. Laws,  a spokesman said could be fit and is also receiving
treatment. 
 

 
Forest drew 1-1 with Wolves last night. I managed to catch the televised
highlights before I headed into work, and it looked a reasonable game
from the 20 minutes or so Central ITV showed.
 
Pearce was back in the team, in the number 3 shirt for Bohinen who
scored for Norway in their 1-2 defeat against Turkey. Black was relegated
to the subs bench to be replaced by Crosby. Also tactically there was
one change with Frank Clark deciding that a sweeper was needed to combat
the threat of Steve Bull. Guess who filled the sweepers role? Yep none
other than David Phillips. It almost backfired with Wolves first attack,
when Phillips didn't clear a ball positively enough and headed it straight
to a Wolves striker, who was then forced wide, and shot into the side
netting. In the early exchanges Wolves looked the better side and
eventually took the lead after 12 minutes. A headed clearance by Chettle
(I think) only went to the corner of the box. A Wolves player headed it
back into the middle over Chetts and Kelly ran in to head over the slow
reacting Wright in goal. Tommy Wright redeemed himself with a couple
of excellent saves later in the half.
 
Later in the first half, Forest came back into the game with Stone
shooting wide, and Glover hitting the post, and it half-time it was
1-0 to Wolves. Stan scored a beauty in the 50th minute. He received the
ball midway in the Wolves half, controlled and turned with the ball,
leaving 2 defenders stranded, and headed through the middle for goal.
The keeper came out to narrow the angle, Stan feinted to shoot, commited
the keepers dive, and planted the ball over him and into the bottom
corner. One of his best yet, and there are already a few contenders.
Steve Bull had a similar chance later, but shot too early and very very
wide. Stan certainly enjoyed his goal, as did the travelling support
amoung the 21,621 crowd. Wolves manager Graham Turner gave Stan a free
transfer 3 years ago, apparently thinking he wouldn't make it. Still thats
happened to other players as well, David Platt springs to mind. 
 
Overall a draw looked a fair result, both sides had chances to win the
game, but it would have probably been unjust to the other side. A good
result for Forest I think, Wolves are unbeaten for 7 or 8 games, and
a point away is usually considered a good performance. Forest have now
reached the heady hights of 13th in the league :-) only one place below
half-way.
 
The Peterborough game on Saturday has been cancelled due to international
call ups. Forest have Black, Pearce, Phillips, and Wright all selected
for their respective countries games next week. No date has been set for
the game yet.
 

    
    Anyone been watching Forest lately? How are they getting on in the
    league? What was the result last night?
    
    JBG

 
Not a very entertaining game last night, when Forest drew 0-0 with Manchester
City in the League Cup 4th round. The team selected had a couple of changes
with Stan missing, still suffering from the calf strain he felt on Saturday.
Team Crossley, Lyttle, Pearce, Cooper, Chettle, Webb, Phillips, Gemmill,
Bohinen, Bull, Black. Subs Glover & Woan. So Gary Bull makes his debut and
Lars Bohinen makes his first City Ground appearance, plus it was nice to see
Woan back in the frame. This was what probably inspired Kingsley Black to show
a bit more interest, he actually beat someone once last night :-)
 
Man City without their main striker Niall Quinn, came with the sole intention
of keeping 10 men behind the ball, wasting time, and closing players down as
quickly as possible. Forest for their part, were no more imaginative, wanting
Man City to attack and hit them on the break in a 4-5-1 formation. Playing
one up front on his own at home isn't really acceptable - you just about
get away with it with Stan - he is a one man attack!, but asking Gary Bull
on his debut to do it all alone is a bit much.
 
As regards the game, chances were few and far between. Pearce burst through
and Coton did well to smother his effort and get up in time to save Blacks
followup effort. Bohinen had a good shot just over, and Glover had a chance
towards the end, having come on for the last 15 minutes replacing Bull.
Man City had 2 goals disallowed for offside, one a very marginal decision
the other was put in the net after everyone else had stopped after the whistle.
Individually, Bohinen was made the Coca-Cola man-of-the-match, and deservedly
so, he showed some neat touches, looked comfortable on the ball, and after one
challenge was quick enough to keep out of McMahons tackles for the rest of
the match. Bull looked OK, but he certainly can't do it all on his own.
Chettle missed nothing and Webb looked a bit fitter than his last outing.
Phillips had his quietest match yet, and Norman in goal was rarely troubled.
A large Man City contingent swelled the crowd to 22,195 and as yet I don't 
what the draw for the quarter finals are. The replay will be in a fortnight
(Dec 14th or 15th)

Cheers - Ian

The draw for the 5th Rnd of the Coke Cup:
 
 Forset (or Man City) Vs Tranmere
 

**Sunderland game


Here's what I have on Saturdays match. It's not much, but 
it's more than my two previous mails about this match ;-)
 
Sunderland - Nottingham 2-3 (1-2). S: P. Gray (11), Smith (54). 
N: Gemmill (17), Collymore (37,79). Attendance: 16 968.
 
Top scorers:
 
  1. division:
16 goals: Stan Collymore (Nottingham Forest).
15 goals: John McGinlay (Bolton).
13 goals: Chris Armstrong (Crystal Palace), Clive Mendonca 
(Grimsby), John Hendrie (Middlesbrough).
12 goals: Bob Taylor (West Bromwich).
11 goals: Steve Bull (Wolverhampton), Don Goodman (Sunderland).
 
ENGLISH 1. DIVISION
 
Barnsley-Bolton 1-1
Birmingham-Tranmere 0-3
Derby-Southend 1-3
Leicester-Wolverh. 2-2
Luton-Stoke 6-2
Millwall-Grimsby 1-0
Peterborough-Bristol C. 0-2
Sunderland-Nottingham 2-3
West Bromw.-Portsmouth 4-1
Notts C.-Oxford 2-1
Watford-Crystal P. 1-3
Middlesbr.-Charlton (Postponed)
 
Charlton             18 10  5  3 24-14 35
Tranmere             19 10  4  5 31-21 34
-----------------------------------------
Crystal P.           17 10  3  4 34-19 33
Southend             18 10  3  5 34-22 33
Leicester            17  9  3  5 27-17 30
Millwall             19  8  6  5 25-25 30
-----------------------------------------
Bristol C.           19  8  5  6 25-21 29
Derby                18  9  2  7 29-30 29
Portsmouth           18  7  7  4 27-27 28
Stoke                18  8  3  7 27-31 27
NOTTINGHAM FOREST    18  7  5  6 28-25 26
Wolverh.             18  5  9  4 29-21 24
Middlesbr.           17  6  5  6 25-20 23
Bolton               18  6  5  7 24-25 23
Notts C.             18  7  2  9 24-30 23
Grimsby              18  4  8  6 22-21 20
Luton                18  6  2 10 23-26 20
Birmingham           18  5  5  8 19-27 20
West Bromw.          17  5  4  8 28-30 19
Oxford               18  5  4  9 24-33 19
Watford              17  5  4  8 24-33 19
-----------------------------------------
Sunderland           18  5  2 11 18-30 17
Barnsley             19  4  4 11 23-37 16
Peterborough         17  3  6  8 15-24 15
 
    
.*****

match report,
 
Thanks to Boerge for posting the results from the weekend. I can't provide
much by way of a report, as I didn't go to Sunderland, I was tucked up in
front of my TV watch England beat the All Blacks :-).
 
Anyhow the team showed just one change, with Tommy Wright returning in goal.
He received an injury early on and was I understand somewhat concussed when
Sunderlands 1st went in. He was then replaced by Crossley. Forests equaliser
came from an unmarked header in the 6 year box from Soctt Gemmill. He seemed
pleased to have got a rare goal with his head. Apparently Stan had one
disallowed before putting us into the lead before half time. Lars Bohinen was
lying injured in our penalty box, when the ball was played out to Stan, just
in the Sunderland half on the left. He then just did his usual, head down,
go for goal, beat a couple of defenders and plant a perfect shot in from the
edge of the box. He makes it look so easy.
 
After the break Sunderland equalised when Crossley (who's court case has again
be delayed I've heard) was only able to palm out a hard shot/cross to a waiting
striker in the six yard box, to put into the empty net. However Forest weren't
settling for a point and Stan got his 16th of the season for the match winner.
He started in his on half on the right wing when he got the ball, went straight
for goal, again beating a selection of defenders before sticking it in the net.
Another brilliant goal. Local ITV yeaterday showed Notts v Oxford as their live
match, and had their on version of a 'goal of the month' competition on, which
only featured 2 of Stans goals (v Wolves & 2nd v West Brom), when really they
could have added the other against W.B.A & the 2 against Sunderland, and 
they're all good enough to win the competition.
 
According to the Sundays I read, Stans goals weren't the only talking point,
Bohinen had an excellent game and Frank Clark was ordered from the dugout for
'abuse of the linesman' I believe, anyone know anything more about this, no
doubt the local paper will have more on this tonight.
 
So 10 points from 4 away games, nothing short of excellent I reckon. Lets hope
that they can now build on this, then come the new year Forest can be a
serious contender for promotion.
 
Cheers - Ian

Just dropped into work on my way back from the City Ground to report another
victory - 1-0 against Birmingham. And thoroughly well deserved.
 
The team showed three changes from Wednesday. David Philips played at right
back in place of Lyttle, Collymore returned up front and Steve Stone came
in for Webb and played wide on the right. Another treat(!) was the appearance
of Roger (remeber the FA Cup Final) Milford and he doesn't appear to be any
better at refereeing now than he was then.
 
The first half was rather disappointing with neither side creating any real
chances until Collymore set up the Forest goal with a cross from the right
which Chris Whyte turned into his own net. If he hadn't then Bull was
right behind him and I'm sure would have done the job just as effectively.
 
The second half was a complete transformation and Forest could have scored
a hatful. infact, Collymore got the ball in the net in the first few minutes 
but was adjudged offside - a decision that I though rather dubious. Thereafter
there were a succession of neat forest moves, some good saves from miller in
the Birmingham goal and I lost track of how many times we hit the bar.
 
Philips looked very comfortable at right back and Steven Stone had a superb
game wide on the right. gemmill and Bohinen also played well and even
Black had a half decent game. I'm still not sure about Bull - in many 
ways he doesn't look like a natural goalscorer and can be careless at
times and yet he came close to scoring several times in the second half.
Perhaps he needs a few more games before we can really assess him.
 
All in all, a godd afternoon - hope the same can be said next Sunday!
 
** compiled by Chris Ennew.


At least the results from yesterday (Sunday) looks to 
please us. Crystal P. loose to Notts. C, Southend and
Leicester draw and Wolverh. Derby draw.
 
At Saturday:
Nottingham - Birmingham 1-0 (1-0). N: Whyte (OG,32). ATT: 
22 061.
 
ENGLISH 1st DIVISION
TOP SCORERS:
16 goals: Stan Collymore (Nottingham Forest).
15 goals: John McGinlay (Bolton).
13 goals: Chris Armstrong (Crystal Palace), Clive Mendonca 
(Grimsby), John Hendrie (Middlesbrough).
12 goals: Bob Taylor (West Bromwich).
11 goals: Steve Bull (Wolverhampton), Don Goodman (Sunderland), 
John Aldridge (Tranmere).
 
Bristol C.-Middlesbr. 0-0
Charlton-Luton 1-0
Grimsby-Barnsley 2-2
Nottingham-Birmingham 1-0
Oxford-Millwall 0-2
Portsmouth-Sunderland 0-1
Stoke-Watford 2-0
Crystal P.-Notts C. 1-2
Southend-Leicester 0-0
Wolverh.-Derby 2-2
 
Charlton             19 11  5  3 25-14 38
Tranmere             20 11  4  5 33-22 37
-----------------------------------------
Southend             19 10  4  5 34-22 34
Crystal P.           18 10  3  5 35-21 33
Millwall             20  9  6  5 27-25 33
Leicester            18  9  4  5 27-17 31
-----------------------------------------
Derby                19  9  3  7 31-32 30
Stoke                19  9  3  7 29-31 30
Bristol C.           20  8  6  6 25-21 30
NOTTINGHAM           19  8  5  6 29-25 29
Portsmouth           19  7  7  5 27-28 28
Notts C.             19  8  2  9 26-31 26
Wolverh.             19  5 10  4 31-23 25
Middlesbr.           18  6  6  6 25-20 24
Bolton               18  6  5  7 24-25 23
Grimsby              19  4  9  6 24-23 21
Luton                19  6  2 11 23-27 20
Birmingham           19  5  5  9 19-28 20
Sunderland           19  6  2 11 19-30 20
West Bromw.          17  5  4  8 28-30 19
Watford              18  5  4  9 24-35 19
-----------------------------------------
Oxford               19  5  4 10 24-35 19
Barnsley             20  4  5 11 25-39 17
Peterborough         18  3  6  9 16-26 15
 
Here's the FA_cup 3rd round (we could have been luckier I guess):
 
Swindon - Ipswich, Oxford - Tranmere, Preston - Bournemouth 
eller Nuneaton Borough, Luton - Southend, Stockport - Queen's 
Park Rangers, West Ham -  Watford, Cardiff - Middlesborough, 
Wycombe - Norwich, Bromsgrove - Barnsley, Wolverhampton - Crystal 
Palace, SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY - NOTTINGHAM FOREST, Millwall - 
Arsenal, Newcastle - Coventry, Charlton - Burnley, Stoke - Bath 
eller Hereford, Bolton - Everton, Plymouth - Chester, Wimbledon - 
Walsall eller Scunthorpe, Grimsby - Wigan, Barnet - Chelsea, 
Bristol City - Liverpool, Birmingham - Kidderminster Harriers, 
Leyton Orient eller Exeter City - Aston Villa, Manchester City - 
Leicester, Sheffield United - Manchester United, Southampton - 
Port Vale, Leeds - Crewe, Notts County - Sutton United, Oldham - 
Derby, Blackburn - Portsmouth, Sunderland - Carlisle, 
Peterborough - Tottenham.
  The matches are played on January 8th.

 
    
Ian Copping writes:
    
Onto Lee Glover and a possible move to Celtic. The short answer is No,
not heard anything about that one down here. Reporters are notorious for
adding 2 + 2 and getting 5. The scenario goes: Celtic have a new manager,
need some fresh blood, not much spare cash. Forest have bought a couple
of new strikers, and have a new manager, previous striker probably unhappy,
also getting flak from crowd, and finally he's Scottish, therefore he
will be moving to Celtic !!!  If it turns out to be true and Forest
persuade Celtic to part with 500,000 or so, then I can't see it being a bad
move for us, but the squad is hardly bristling with strikers who can leap
in the team and score, especially if Stan is out for some reason.
 
Local TV news last reckoned that Nigel Clough will be going to Derby in
a swap deal for Derby striker Paul Kitson, and Rikky Otto would be signing
for Forest from Southend for around 1 million. Frank Clark dismissed the
signing of Otto as utter rubbish, saying he hasn't got a million to
spend. Southend could be in turmoil this week, as their current manager
Barry Fry has been approached by Birmingham City for their vacant managers
post. It could be an interesting week coming up.
 
Forest now seem to have strung some results together and I reckon the next
five league matches will go a long way to pointing where we're going this
season. There's Derby (a) Southend (h) Middlesborough (h) Bristol C (a)
and Charlton (h). 4 out of those 5 are currently above us and a run similar
to what we have had in our last 5 league matches will do nicely :-) ie 4 wins
and a draw. Also bear in mind the last 3 of these games plus Watford away
are played in 8 days over the festive season, that is a very hectic and
important part of the season. We'll keep our fingers crossed for good results,
but with current form we should be approaching these games with a certain
amount of confidence.
 
 

    
    
    
    
    Anyone wishing to join the Forest mailing list , reply to below.
    
    
    
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    M.J.

    
    Come on chaps, its two weeks since the last entry. How are things going
    at the City Ground? Are we still on a roll?
    
    JBG

    yes the good news is that Forest beat Man City in the League Cup last
    week with goals form Colin Cooper and Neil Webb.
    On sunday last they beat Southend with goals from Cooper and Kingsley
    Black.
    
    Unfortunately as this is my last official day as a Dec employee I have
    not yet found anyone willing to keep this notesfile updated.
    
    Gary can you oblige???
    
    
    
    Well it's time to go, best wishes to one and all, keep up the noting
    it's been entertaining and hopefully Forest will be back where they
    belong and winning Championships again!!!!
    
    
    M.J.
    
    come on "UREDS"
    
    
    
    

    
    
    
here's a few  reports on the league cup game v City.
    
    
 
Forest beat Man City last night 2-1 in the Coke Cup 4th round replay at
Maine Road. The team was Crossley,Lyttle,Pearce,Cooper,Chettle,Stone,Phillips
Gemmill,Bohinen,Collymore,Black.Subs Webb & Bull.
 
Man City took the lead in the 16th minute when Michael Vonk was able to
head in relatively unchallenged from the far post. Apart from that Forest
appear the have dominated the game. Gemmill went off after about 30 minutes
with an ankle injury and was replaced by Webb. Collymore hit the bar with
a cracking shot just before half time (almost broke the woodwork!)
 
In the second half Forest equalised through Webb whose shot was slightly
deflected but was going in any way. Webb also set up the winner in the 86th
minute, exchanging passes with Cooper, who took the one-two on the edge of
the area well, and scoring his first goal for the club. The only other
event I've got time to mention is Steve 'dirty scouse git' McMahon elbow
in the face of Bohinen. Lars was pulling his shirt slightly, but there
was no need for that, someone is going to be blinded by one of these flying
arms before long. The ref didn't see it, so he got away with it. Lars
recovered OK, but he will look less pretty today with a black eye :-)


Ian

 
2nd report

I too saw the highlights on ITV last night.  It was my first opportunity to 
see Bohinen and Collymore in action.  Lars and Webbie seem to combine well
in midfield, and I couldn't believe that shot by Collymore.  He really did
turn on a sixpence, as Elton Wellsby reported.
 
Man of the MAtch was definetly Webbie, although it was awarded to Steve  
(Scouse Scumbag) McMahon.  I know he hassled hard as usual, but he did give
Bohnien a dig.  Webbie socred a goal, and set up the other one-- what a 
miscarrage of justice!
 
Anyway, here's looking forward to a televised Tranmere game (Please God;-)
Better dash,
    
Donagh. 



3rd report


Just a few thoughts on last nights game.
An early Christmas present was delivered last night with a perfomance against
Man City that revived the heady days of the eighties.
On the highlights shown Forest as Ian said dominated the game from start to
finish.
Our control, possession and passing were first class with players always
available. I think the major factor now is that opppnents are scared of Stan
and he only has to take up wide positions to leave space for midfielders
like Stone, Lars, Webby etc.
I particularily I like the idea that straight from the kickoff give the ball
to Stan and say GO!.
Eleven men between him and the goal are fair odds.
Frank is obviously happy with the way the team are playing. With the  
score at 1-0 he was about to bring on Bull when Webb scored. Frank
ammediatley told Bull to sit down.
 
Thats all for now folks!
 
STRONG IN DEFENCE - FLUENT ON THE BREAK (you bet)
 
Doug.

    
    All the best for the future, M.J.
    
    JBG

    re .308
    
    I didn't see the match but regarding McMahon and Webb as contenders for
    MOTM, I suspect that it was another example of the fixation in this
    country with workrate rather than skillful play.
    
    Paul.
    

Good luck out there M.J.

                         James.

    what news re the great man, Kevin Ratcliffe?
    
    As my Toffeess slump into the relegation zone, I think of Rats' booming
    left foot drive going straight through Grobbelllaaar at Anfield in
    84-5....
    
    SIGH!
    
    Joyeux Noel
    
    Peter

    
    Come on guy, its been nearly a month again. What happened over
    Christmas? Are Forest back in the hunt?
    
    JBG
    
    Ps. please try to be a bit more regular with the contributions,
    otherwise I'll have to keep getting a paper!

They drew 1-1 at home to Middlesborough, beat Watford 2-1
away, beat Bristol City 4-1 away, drew 1-1 with Sheffield
Weds in Cup and drew 1-1 at home to Charlton.  There were
capacity crowds at the two home games 26,500+

They play Tranmere tonight in the Coca Cola Cup quarter 
final then play at Tranmere in the league on Sunday. 
They haven't lost for a while and are looking quite 
good.  About 8th in the league I think, but catching up.

Chris.

Last night's game postponed.

Forest came from behind to win at Tranmere yesterday.
Also scored froma penalty after Nevin had done his
usual dive over the keeper.  Colin Cooper equalised
and Scott Gemmill bundled in a late winner.

Forest now only 6 points behind the leaders Leicester
and looking good

Chris.

    
    	As usual everyone's gone to sleep here. How are Forest doing????
    
    JBG

    Anybody know the Barnsley - Forest result??
    
    Al. (who might start supporting Barnsley if The Owls don't improve!)

    Forest       2
    Barnsley     1
    
    Good job too!
    
    
    
    /GAry

    
    Forest won on Saturday and rivals Leicester lost to leave Forest alone
    in 2nd place, now 5 points behind leaders Palace but with a game in
    hand and 3 points clear of Leicester. What odds Clough (Nigel) goes
    back if when get promoted?
    
    JBG

    I see that Mr Colleymore lived up to expectations too - getting a goal
    AND a red card for elbowing. The strange thing is that unlike in his
    Palace days, the player he elbowed was on the *opponents* side :-)
    
    Paul

    Good to see Forest going so well.... hope they come up this season.. I
    always did like Forest vs Leeds games.. :->
    
    	Rickl.

    
    Forest take themselves a step closer to promotion with a 2:1 win over
    struggling WBA. The 1st division championship is mathematically still
    on but requires Palace to lose their remaining games, however, Forest's
    aim is the 2nd automatic promotion place which is now only a few points
    away.
    
    JBG 

    
    	Does Forest's 2:0 win over Derby last night mean they are
    automatically promoted or do they have to take more points (in which
    case, how many?)
    
    JBG

    Two more required (Saturday at Peterborough)

    
    Forest beat Peterborough on Saturday to clinch automatic promotion back
    to the Premier League. Palace's win at Middlesborough yesterday means
    they are champions and Forest are 2nd.
    
    JBG

    

    With it being near the end of season the usual rumour will start up
    again about Rangers being interested in ever half decent Scottish player
    about.So Scott Gemmils name is bound to crop up,So my question is....
    What sort of player is he,how good is he,where does he play best,
    How much would Forrest be looking for etc....
    
    
    SCott

Heard that forest are poised to sign the dutch star for a record of 3 million.He
is to have talks today with frank clark.  Roy has understood a three year deal
worth 1 mill.  Seems like a good buy for someone who has played well in italy
and is only 24.


GS in Dublin

    I hope he will play better for Forest than he did for Holland 2 years
    ago. A total disaster, not a decent cross in 5 games!
    
    /JF

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                               -< Bad crossing >-

>>    I hope he will play better for Forest than he did for Holland 2 years
>>    ago. A total disaster, not a decent cross in 5 games!
>>    
>>    /JF


That was two years ago, after he went to Italy he improved his game and
is now an asset to the Dutch team. You probably haven't seen the last games
Holland played.

T_

    Bryan Roy has signed for Notts Forest for 2.5 million pounds....
    
    no thanks needed....
    
    Ray....

    
    Now all we want is young Cloughie back.....
    
    JBG

    
    Brian Roy will prove to be an excellent signing for Forest.
    
    Good to see Forest managing to fight off a last ditch bid by Inter
    Milan,it`s not often an English club beats the Italians for someones
    signature.
    
    Davie
    

    
    You're right the Italians don't usually get beat on a head to head..
    Great to see someone with his skill coming to the English league
                                                                 
	Dezzz.

    
    Forest are off to a good start back in the Premier League. On saturday
    they took 3 points, beating Ipswich 1:0 away, the goal coming from new
    signing Roy somebody (?) 8-)
    	Last night infront of a full house at the City ground (22,000 due
    to building work), they took on champions Manchester United and almost
    took 3 points again. In the end they drew 1:1 with first half goals
    from Kancelskis and Colleymore. Both Colleymore and Roy had one on one
    chances in the second half only to be denied by some excellent
    goalkeeping by Schmeicel. Also Irwin cleared a header from Cooper off
    the line at a corner. Manchester also had chances in the second half,
    notably when a low drive from Ince came back off the post.
    
    JBG

    
    ....yes I knew that. I was only joking when I said he was Roy somebody.
    Isn't he from Belgium of some such country?? 8-)
    
    JBG

    No Jon,
    
    He's definitely not Belgian, I thinks he's Irish (he spent a weekend in 
    Dublin with his parents in 1976 !).
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Jerry.

    
    So,
    
    	two weeks back in the Premier and, YES, we're back at the top!
    
    8-)
    JBG

    
    	two weeks later and we've dropped to 2nd. 5 games, 4 wins and a
    draw at home to champions Man United sees Forest 2nd only to Newcastle
    who have a 100% record after 5 games. Saturday saw Forest destroy
    Wednesday 4 : 1 at the City ground. 
    
    JBG

Saw brief highlights of Forest on Match of the Day and they looked well good. So
good in fact that I think I'm going to go and see them whack Southampton on
Saturday. Bryan Roy looks the business and should have a great partnership with
Stan.

Mike

    
    Forest dropped 2 points by drawing away at Southampton on Saturday.
    With both Blackburn & Newcastle winning, Forest now are in 3rd place,
    level on points with Blackburn but behind them on goal difference.
    Still, we're unbeaten after 6 games (4 wins / 2 draws).
    
    JBG

    
    A great 1 : 4 win away to Spurs on Saturday sees Forest consolidating
    3rd place, level on 17 points with Blackburn put still behind on goals
    scored. Newcastle drew to leave them now 2 points ahead and Man United
    lost to Ipswich to put them 4 points behind Forest in 4th place.
    
    Goalscorers on Saturday wer Stone, Roy(2 I think) and ? Sheringham
    had a penalty saved with the score at 1:1 and this probably turned the
    match.
    
    JBG

    
    	Bohinen got Forest's fourth. You were correct with the other three.
    
    	Andy.

Are Forest becoming a bit more physical, or does it just look like that 
playing against Spurs? A couple of times Stone and Bohinen left Spurs 
players knocked off the ball and a little upset.

g

    
    Graham,
    
    	you must be kidding. Forest have always been physical. Stuart
    Pierce is no nancy boy.
    
    JBG

	you must be kidding. Forest have always been physical. Stuart
    Pierce is no nancy boy.
    ~~~~~~


Dear oh dear. Call yourself a fan. 8-)

Mr Picky

    
    Yes, definitely. I simply can't speel to wel! 8-)
    
    JBG

    Forest sraped another 3 points at the City ground on Sunday, Colleymore
    getting the winner against QPR 2 minutes from time. QPR had the better
    of the first half but forest, with Colleymore & Roy, always looked
    dangerous on the break. Still 0:0 at the interval, it was beginning to
    look as if QPR might get their first ever win at the City ground and
    ruin Forest's unbeaten record (18 games unbeaten, including all this
    season so far. Unbeaten at home for over 9 months).
    	The second half started better for Forest with Roy & Colleymore
    showing signs of losing their markers. After about 10 minutes Forest
    got a corner which was cleared back to Kingsley Black who cut inside
    the fullback and curled a shot into the far top corner. Just as Forest
    start to control the game, Cooper slipped up in defence and the ball
    came to Ferdinand on the edge of the box. He beat the defender and
    blasted his shot more or less through Crossley, the Forest keeper -
    1:1. The game looked like it might again settle into the same pattern
    as the first half with QPR keeping posession but unable to break down
    the Forest defence and always in danger of a quick counter-attack. One
    such counter saw Colleymore finally get away from his marker Maddix
    (sp) (who had a good game for his 1st one back in X months) but QPR's
    Welsh keeper, Roberts, came flying out and got down to make a great
    save. Unfortunately Roberts then completely misjudged the resultant
    corner and the QPR defender at the back post only managed to trap the
    ball right on the line. Brian Roy, standing behind the defender, slid
    in and tapped the ball into the net. 2:1 to Forest, 15 minutes or so to
    go.
    	Francis now brought off his extra defender and put on Allen to
    partner Ferdinand and try to get the goal back. A brave move, it paid
    off with 5 minutes to go when Allen turned inside Brian Little on the
    edge of the box and put his shot just inside Crossley's right hand
    post. 2:2 would have been a fair result but Colleymore had the final
    say when he cruised past Maddix once more and lifted his shot over the
    diving Roberts. 3:2 to Forest who extend their unbeaten run to 19
    games, 8 in the Premier.
    
    	I thought QPR deserved better. In only goes to prove that you
    daren't take your eyes off Roy & Colleymore. Forest, however, haven't
    enough strength in depth and if either of the front boys gets injured I
    think they will falter. Frank Clark has apparently hinted that he is
    short of cash and may even have to sell players later in the season.
    If only Cloughie & Webbie would come back & play for free! 8-)
    
    JBG
    
    Ps. as Blackburn lost to Norwich & Newcastle beat Villa, Forest are now
    in second play, 2 points behind Newcastle.

Webbie is back isn't he? Or has he been sold this season?

Mike

    
    Mike,
    
    	I thought so too, but I haven't seen any refernce to him at all so
    far. Maybe he's injured. He'd have to be playing pretty bad to be kept
    out of the team I saw last night. I still think Kingsley Black is a
    waste of space - he farts around on the ball trying to dummy his marker
    & be the time he releases it any opportunities are gone. Also he'd have
    trouble beating my 7 year old son going down the wing. No pace & no
    commitment. Not the usual sort of player I associate with Forest.
    Still, I suppose he scored a good goal!
    
    JBG

    Re: -1
    
>    Still, I suppose he scored a good goal!
    
    
    I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was surprised to see the ball
    winging it's way into the net without assitance from someone's head ! 
    Then again, maybe I'm being unfair, and he actually intended it as a 
    shot and has eyes in the top of his head ;-)
    
    Jerry.

    Webb is not injured; he just doesn't figure in any of Frank Clarke's
    plans. Bit like Stewart, Walters & Dicks at 'pool.

Yup, Neil Webb was on Grandstand on Sat with the usual stuff about fighting 
for his place from the reserves. He also agree with Molby that there's more to 
football than running about all afternoon - quelle surprise!

g

    
    Forest extended their unbeaten run in the Premiership to 10 games last
    night defeating Wimbledon 3:1 at the City Ground. This result keeps
    them in 2nd place, 2 points behind Newcastle & 3 ahead of third placed
    Blackburn.
    
    The match was televised live on Sky Sports.
    
    The first half looked like it was going to be a repeat of a few weeks
    back when QPR came to Nottingham and were unlucky to lose. Wimbledon
    put on the pressure from the start, closing down Forest's midfield,
    knocking long balls up to Ekoku (on his debut following transfer from
    Norwich) & Gayle, & generally putting themselves about. Forest still
    managed to keep most of the possesion but with Wimbledon's big boys
    regularly getting on the end of any long balls there was always the
    chance that Wimbledon might snatch one. In the event it was a good
    Wimbledon attack which brought Forest's first goal! The Dons attack
    broke down when a chip was caught by Crossley. He looked up & threw a
    long looping ball to Woan about 10 yards inside the Forest half & in
    acres of space. Woan took the ball directly towards the Wimbledon goal
    & just as he was being closed down, slipped a pass inside to
    Bohinen(sp) who'd come steaming up from defending the Dons' attack.
    Both Roy & Colleymore had made runs which drew defenders out wide &
    Woans pass rans perfectly for Bohinen to hit first time from just
    outside the box. The shot smashed against the underside of the ball &
    into the back of the net. 1:0 Forest is how the half finished &
    Wimbledon could rightly feel unfortunate having worked hard only to be
    outdone by the pace of Forest's break.
    
    	I didn't see most of the second half (the misses always watches
    Melrose Place! 8-(, but I caught the replayed goals at the end.
    
    Forest's 2nd came predictably from Colleymore. He picked up the ball
    just inside the Forest half on the left. He started his run towards
    goal and, challenged by 3 Dons', he turned inside, looked up & blasted
    a shot over Segers inside the left hand post - a great individual effort. 
    
    Woan got the 3rd when Roy slipped him a ball into the box. Woan got in
    between two defenders & pokes the ball low into the left corner. Segers
    got a hand to it & really should have done better.
    
    Wimbledon got a concilation goal from Gayle. He deserved it, having got
    through a lot of work, and took it well, sidefooting a low cross just
    inside Crossley's left hand post from the edge of the box.
    
    Roy had a chance to get on the score when Woan (I think) split the
    defence with a ball into his path. Roy was motoring some but his
    touches were class & the trailing defenders were never going to get to
    him. He committed Sgers & lifted his shot only to see the best chance
    of the game go a meter over the bar. Still, the 90 minutes was already
    up & the Forest fans were whistling for the end.
    
    Lars Bohinen got MOTM but the whole Forest team played well (apart
    maybe from Stuart Pearce who still doesn't seem to be his old self!)
    The defence came through a stern test with flying colours & Woan, Stone
    & Welsh midfielder ......? all had excellent games. Roy & Cooleymore
    always looked threatening. Forest have some difficult games coming up
    after Villa on Saturday they have Blackburn, Newcastle & Arsenal I
    believe. I still cna't see them winning the championship but I'm sure
    they would settle for a place back in Europe.
    
    JBG 
    
    
    The game was
    pretty fairly fought with only 2 Wimbledon players getting booked & no
    bad tackles - only a fair amount of shirt pulling on Colleymore to hold
    him back. 

    
    The best thing about last nights game was (apart from Forest) was
    watching Vinny Jones showing how out of his depth he is when he plays
    at a higher level than Sunday park football. 
    
    It would be really funny, but this idiot gets a couple of thousand a
    week for that.
    
    Dave...

    >& Welsh midfielder ......? all had excellent games. Roy & Cooleymore
    
    Think you mean David Phillips, JBG.
    
    Paul.
    

29/10/94

Notts For 0 Blackburn 2


C U N N O
    

    
    Thanks Cunno,
    
    	its a good job you were in here to remind me, otherwise I might
    have forgotten that Forest were defeated at home for the first time in
    well over a year.
    
    	I only saw highlights on Sky but it looked like Forest had more of
    the game and plenty of chances. Sutton got both Blackburn's goals, both
    following corners I think. The key to Forest's current form is the
    combination of Roy & Colleymore. Colleymore missed Saturday's game and
    will miss the next 2 or 3 during which time Forest play Newcastle &
    Arsenal. This is where we will see if Forest are Chapionship contenders
    or not.
    
    	Newcastle's 2:0 loss at Old Trafford means that the 3rd & 4th
    placed teams beat the 1st & 2nd and the top of the league looks very
    close. No two horse race this year. Newcastle are still top & Forest
    2nd & they play each other next Saturday......there should be plenty of
    fireworks!
    
    JBG

    
    	Colleymore was again missing as Forest went down to a Robbie Fowler
    goal at Anfield on the weekend. I only saw the goal on Sky & it took a
    wicked deflection which beat Crossley in goals. Thats 2 defeats on the
    trott & with Newcastle on Monday, Forest really needed Colleymore to
    recover quickly.
    
    ......the good news is he did! He passed a late fitness test and was
    included in the side last night at home to leaders Newcastle. It turned
    out to be a craking game with plenty of chances - none of which were
    converted. Both Roy and Colleymore had clear chances but blasted over.
    Not that Forest had it all their own way - far from it. They were put
    under pressure for long periods but without Andy Cole Newcastle
    couldn't finish the job. Paul Kitson had a good game but failed to
    Score. Phillipe Albert was deservedly MOTM - he did a great job against
    Colleymore & Roy, both of who looked very sharp. All in all a good
    result for Forest. They haven't yet got the class of Newcastle or the
    depth of ManU or Blackburn but with luck they might be in the running
    for a European place come April.
    
    	Colleymore & Roy are a brilliant partnership. They seem to have all
    the same skills but employ them with such contrasting styles. Roy is 
    incredibly fast & makes Forest very dangerous on the break. He also has
    superb ball control & turns players like lightening. Colleymore is also 
    quick but his biggest assets are his strength to ride tackles, brilliant
    passing and an uncanny sense of where the goals are. If only they had
    Cloughie & Webbie behnd them to supply the through balls 8-)
    
    JBG

    
    	No Premier games on 12th Nov due to mid-week internationals. Last
    weekend Forest went down to Chelsea 1:0 at the City Ground. John
    Spencer got the only goal but it was Denis Wise's defence splitting
    chipped pass which made it. Wise seems to be on a high & was MOTMIMO
    last Wednesday in Englands win over Nigeria.
    	I only saw brief highlights on Sky's "Goals on Sunday". Forest had
    enough chances to take the game but were denied by a combination of 
    excellent goalkeeping, desperate defence & inept finishing. The top 3
    are now ManU, Newcastle & Blackburn & it looks pretty likely that the
    champions will be one of these. Forest have now slipped to 5th, 1 point
    behind Liverpool who went down to Everton 2:0 last night.

    JBG

    
    	Oh dear, the slide has started! Forest lost 1:0 away to Leeds at
    the weekend to put them 8 points adrift of leaders Blackburn. Forest
    hang on to 5th with Leeds one point behind.
    	To make matters worse we got knocked out of the Coca Cola Cup last
    night by 1st division Millwall - 2:0 at the City Ground. Thats 5
    defeats in 6 games and things are not looking so good anymore.
    
    JBG
    

    We Palace fans knew nothing good would come of Collymore!!
    
    Ask Geoff Thomas about his black eye courtesy of Stanley.
    
    Paul

    
    	Forest seem to have turned their bad patch around, beating Ipswich
    4:1 last weekend (ok, so thats no big deal) & then travelling to Old
    Trafford on Saturday for the return match with the current champions
    (they drew at the City ground earlier in the season) which Forest duly
    won 2:1. That's United's 1st home defeat in any competition this season
    and only Barcelona can match Forest's home & away record (1 win, 1
    draw) against the champions. 8-)
    	To make things even better, Blackburn could only manage a 0:0 draw
    at home against struggling Leicester, Andy Cole had a penalty saved as
    Newcastle drew 0:0 against Coventry, & Chelsea held Liverpool to a 0:0
    draw yesterday. Thus Forest were the only top 5 team to win & this
    moves them up to 4th, 3 points ahead of Liverpool in 5th but still
    trailing the leaders Blackburn by 8 points.
    
    JBG

    JBG - Forest played well on Saturday.  Colleymore obviously got most of
    the credit in the press, and he did have a good game, but the player
    who impressed me most was Stone.  He was everywhere.  Defensively
    Forest looked very solid and, unlike Utd, they seem to play as a unit.
    Utd have too many prima-donnas who, when they're not on song, are a
    liability.  Forest may not have as many "stars" but on this form they
    will be well up there at the end of the season.
    
    Dave

    
    Breathing new life into a dead conference...
    
    Why didnt any of the other players congratulate Collymore when he
    scored on Saturday?
    
    Ian.

    
    Noticed that......he went out to the left of the penalty
    area..addressed the crowd and turned around expectantly for a bit of
    claustrophobic celebration from his team mates.....'hey ground, swallow
    me up'....
    
    This ill-feeling might yet cost Forest a UEFA place...Leeds and
    Tottenham are closing very strongly....
    
    Dezzz.

    
    Heard Pat Murphy of Radio 5 Live interviewing Frank Clark on Saturday
    (before the game) and he asked him the very question as to why no-one
    *ever* congratulated Colleymore.
    
    the reply went something like :
    
    "....yes, he is a bit of a maverick, and not the most popular player in
    the dressing room...."
    
    [Enter Paul Pateman stage right to give us the real [alleged] reasons 
    that Palace off-loaded him to Southend so quickly]
    
    Sounds like a total liability to me.
    
    Rob

    
    Excellent results for Forest last night with them beating Leeds 3:0
    (Roy 2, Colleymore) at the City ground. This puts Leeds 8 points behind
    Forest along with Spurs who dropped points in a 0:0 draw with Liverpool
    at WHL. Both Spurs and Leeds have 2 games in hand over Forest.
    Liverpool drop to 5th, 2 points behind Forest but have 3 games in hand.
    
    The table now looks like.....
    
        Team Name            Pld   Pts   GD

   1 Blackburn Rovers         34   76   41 
   2 Man. Utd.                35   73   42 
   3 Newcastle Utd.           34   63   20 
   4 Nott'm Forest            35   60   18 
   5 Liverpool                32   58   28 
   6 Leeds Utd.               33   52   11 
   7 Tottenham Hotspur        33   52   10 
   8 Wimbledon                33   45  -15
    
    A UEFA Cup place is still on, esspecially if ManU & Liverpool win the
    FA & CC Cups respectively (in which case either Leeds or Spurs would
    take the other UEFA place). If Liverpool lost the CCC to Burnley? &
    ManU don't win the FA Cup (assuming Blackburn take the league 8-) then
    Forest would lose out to ManU, Newcastle & Liverpool for a UEFA place.
    Still, Newcastle slipped up again last night losing 3:1 to Southampton
    after leading 0:1 going into the 87th minute!
    The transfer deadline's up soon & if Colleymore & Roy stay for the last
    7 games Forest could pull it off (a UEFA place that is...I think they
    have to forget the League now 8-)
    
    JBG

England has 4 UEFA Cup places next year.  3 on merit and 1 for providing
UEFA with loads of bucks, er sorry, for being sporting of something.

If both the other reds win their respective cup matches that makes it that
Leeds qualify (at the moment).
 
If you miss out you can always enter the Intertoto Cup.  4 more UEFSA Cup places
are up for grabs there as well.

    
    Forest maintain 3rd place by beating Palace 2:0 on Saturday. A UEFA
    place is pretty certain now.
    
    JBG

           <<< Note 40.371 by GENIE::GOODEJ "Mr Dragon - 761 4831" >>>

    
>    Forest maintain 3rd place by beating Palace 2:0 on Saturday. A UEFA
>    place is pretty certain now.
    
     JBG,

     Not that it affects the outcome, it was in fact 2-1.

     Stuart

    Can someone please rather rapidly confirm the story I heard that
    Brian Clough had ,yesterday, officially launched a ship.
    I am led to believe that the ship went out 7 nautical miles before
    Mr Clough decided to let go of the bottle.
    
    Andy
    
                                                           

    
    Andy,
    
    	please don't go casting such dispersions over our Cloughie. Its
    just not true. Besides, the bottle was already empty when he broke it
    over the ship 8-)
    
    JBG
    
    Ps. A 1:0 win on Saturday (Colleymore) against Man City assures Forest
    a place in the UEFA cup next year. Also, with Liverpool & Newcastle
    dropping points its looking more & more likely that Forest will finish
    in 3rd place behind Blackburn & United (but not necessarily in that
    order 8-)

CEEFAX said they want 8.5 million, but the ensuing bid war is likely to take the
price up to 10.

Villa might be half decent next season if we sign Collymore and Gazza. 8-)

Mike

Re -last few

I think any club had better be careful if they were to sign Collymore.  

I hear he's not too hot on the personal relations side of things.

                        James.

    
    re: Collymore.
    
    If he is worth 10m then players like, Collins, Laurdup, and even Nick
    barmby are worth at least 10-15m
    
    Choppers

If I was Doug Ellis (perish the thought) and had ten million to spend I wouldn't
hesitate to hand over the cash for Stan. There are very few top class players in
the league, and consequently they cost the earth. A player like Collymore can
turn a completely average team into a contender; look at Forest (and my fantasy
league team, gloat, gloat). 8-)

Forest are stupid to put him on the market, because regardless of how much they
get for him, they won't be able to buy anyone to replace him and they'll suffer
in the long run, as per Newcastle United and Andy Cole.

Mike

	Why am I reminded of the sale of Ian Storey-Moore to Man Utd?

	Tony

    
    I can think of two scenarios:
    
    a) The Gordon McQueen effect
    
       This guy was pretty average but Leeds wanted to keep him and Man Utd
       wanted to buy him. So Leeds set this stupid figure, at the time, of
       about 400,000K. "Nobody's stupid enough to offer that much it would
       break the transfer record". However it happened.
    
    b) The Phil Babb syndrome
    
       Coventry wanted to sell but wanted the best price. SO they created
       an auction where they just held out until they got to a figure that
       they thought was the limit.
    
    I guess Forest want to keep Colleymore but if he wants to go they
    might as well a) name a stupidly high price and b) create an auction.
    Remember everybody said Shearer was over-priced and now look how much
    he's worth. Mind you Stan's not in Shearer's class.
    
    Personally I think it will be an Italy, Spain, Liverpool (Rush
    replacement) or Blackburn (Shearer replacement) or possibly Man Utd 
    (Sparky replacement).
    
    Neil
    

    >a) The Gordon McQueen effect
    
    >   This guy was pretty average but Leeds wanted to keep him and Man Utd
    >   wanted to buy him. 
    
    I agree with most of your note, Neil...but in no way do I think Gordon
    McQueen was "pretty average" ;-) Not only was he amazing in the air, he
    was pretty hot on the ground too. I remember him being one of the most
    highly-rated centre-halves in Europe when Leeds got to the European Cup
    Final against Bayern Munich. His speciality was intercepting opponents'
    attacks and then dribbling half the length of the field, skipping 2 or
    3 tackles and laying on chances for Lorimer, Clarke and co. He was also
    one of Scotland's main attacking options for a while too.
    
    Dom
    

    
    	Was there another player called Gordon McQueen besides the one that
    I used to see playing for Scotland then ?
    
    	Alternatively I'll have a pint of what you're drinking Dom.
    
    Malc.
    

    
    Oops. I let my anti-Man Utd bias slip through didn't I?
    I mean he was ok at Leeds, but as soon as he pulled that red shirt on
    he was a big pudding. Oh no.. I've done it again.. 
    
    I wonder what the Forest fans think about Stan's wish to move?
    Personally I don't think Forest are a one-man wonder. I would put a lot
    of praise Steve Stone's way. He gets through lots of work but all we
    normally hear is Colleymore this and Brian Roy that...
    
    If I were Frank Clark, which I am not, I would use the 10 million and 
    buy a 5 million striker plus a defender and midfielder to bolster the 
    side for next season.
    
    Neil

Which 5 million striker would that be though? My point is that there's no-one
worth buying left, which is why the proces are so horrendous.

Mike

    
    Frank Clarke said at the beginning of the season that he could at best
    hope to have Colleymore 'til the end of the season. It's quite possible
    that Forest have to settle some debts with at least some of the cash.
    I still rate young Cloughie but whether he'd consider moving back &
    what response he'd get from the fans I don't know.
    
    	As far as Colleymore is concerned, I reckon there's 2 teams which
    need him most - Man United and Newcastle United. My bet is he'll go to
    the former as Sparkie's eventual replacement.
    
    JBG

    
    
    re Gordon McQueen
    
     I don't think anyone would describe him as a great player but my one
    outstanding memory of him was a great header against England at 
    Wembley one long year ago. It sealed a 2-1 victory for Scotland. 
    
    Danny. 

    >re Gordon McQueen
    >
    >I don't think anyone would describe him as a great player but my one
    >outstanding memory of him was a great header against England at 
    >Wembley one long year ago. It sealed a 2-1 victory for Scotland. 
    
    A lot of people thought he was a great player at the time (maybe I use
    the word "great" rather liberally ;-)), and not just in this country.
    
    One long year ago? I presume that's a typing error...or was it some
    veterans' friendly?
    
    Dom

    
    	More tittle-tattle on Gordon McQueen. It just so happens I was in
    the Ibrox Blue Room (the hospitality suite) after a match recently and
    he was there smashed out of his skull and pouring whisky down his
    gullet like it was going out of fashion. He had button-holed Jimmy
    Nicholl who looked distinctly uncomfortable trying to hold a sensible
    conversation with him. Jimmy was eventually rescued by Ally McCoist of
    all people ...
    
    	Actually I used to quite like Gordon McQueen to be honest. I'll
    never forget that punch-up he had with David Harvey when they were both
    on the same team ! Anybody else think he was the spitting image of Ian
    Curtis when he was younger ? Ignore the hairstyle for this analogy ...
    
    Malc.
    

    
    	According to SkyText last night, Frank Clarke was saying that he'd
    done his best to keep Colleymore at Forest and its down to
    Colleymore to decide where his future lies.
    
    JBG

    
    Anymore news on the Colleymore transfer....like confirmation of
    Choppers' 9.5M Everton deal.
    
    JBG

    
    >Anymore news on the Colleymore transfer....like confirmation of
    >Choppers' 9.5M Everton deal.
    
    alas, mine turned out to be a malicious rumour ;-)
    
    Choppers	

Frank Clarke has apparently lined up Kevin Campbell as a 2.5 mill replacement
for Stan the Man. Ho ho.

Mike

    I hope that's true. Gawd what a rip off.
    
    barry.

    .396
    
    This note could very well prove that God does exist and has a wicked
    sense of humour. Poor old Frank Clark. Completely barking.

    
    RE-1
    
    ...but the best laugh of all will be when Cambell becomes a really good
    player next season at Forest.
    
    DAVE...

    re -1
    
    Dave,
    
    Campbell himself has said that he needs to leave because he is in Ian
    Wrights shadow. I have no doubt that he will be a good player at
    Forest, it's just he bloody useless now!
    
    BTW, I guess it would be the same as Des Walker...
    
    Stuart

    
    Stuart,
    
    Des Walker is hardly a valid comparisoon, I was thinking more along the
    lines of Andy Cole, who had scored hundreds of goals in the Arse
    reserves and was widely regarded as a prospect, as was Cambell, Des
    Walker was let go by Tottenham as a youth player I believe, and made his 
    name with Nottingham Forest over a number of seasons. Cole was sold and
    immediatley started scoring goals for Bristol, as Cambell will with
    Forest.
    
    You must know the reason GG never let Cambell go was that he was scared
    stiff that he would turn out to be another Andy Cole. That rumour has
    been going round for ages.
    
    Dave...
    
    
    
    

    Dave,
    
    More like GG was scared that Campbell would turn out to ba complete and
    utter donkey who would prove that he was wrong to sell Cole...
    
    Stuart

    I hate to say it, but Andrea Silenzi has a lot more in common with
    Brendan O'Callaghan than Stan Colleymore ;-)
    
    He did score a hatful of goals in Italy two years ago, but as soon as
    defenders realised that he was, er...rather uncomfortable with the ball
    at his feet, the goals dried up. As did Silenzi's hopes of a place in
    the national team at US94.
    
    (I was about to say that it seems like a clear case of "bringing coals
    to Newcastle", but I think the last England centre-forward of that
    nature was Mark Hateley. Before that you'd have to go back to Peter
    Withe or Paul Mariner.)
    
    Dom
              
    P.S. I hope Malc is fully satisfied with the steady flow of news in
    here today. We don't want another outburst like the one yesterday
    afternoon. 

    I'll do my best, Cap'n.

Dom,

Try 451 - thats got 65 replies.  Matt will give you tips on cheating snarfs.

Forever helpful

John

Sorry, I wasn't trying to suggest that Silenzi was similar to or as good as
Stan. I was trying to say that Forest have swapped Stan (accused of being a
hazard in the dressing room by Dave Edwards) for Kevin Campbell, Chris
Bart-Williams, Andrea Silenzi, and (apparently) Alain Sutter. That's got to be
good business, and if Dave's right, the players won't have to live in fear of
dropping their soap in the showers any more. 8-)

Mike

    Ah well, that put's a whole new light on it...

Roy, Bohinen, Silenzi, can't think of any other notable ones. Kingsley Black's
been sold I think. They should be okay for the European comps.

Mike

    ...if they don't buy Sutter, that is.
    
    Dom

    Anybody else notice the similarity between Andrea Silenzi, Peter Buck from
    REM and the Mona Lisa? 
    
    Barry.
    
    

    Andrea Silenzi and Peter Buck I'll grant you. The Mona Lisa connection has 
    me a bit stumped.
    
    Dom

    
    	I thought it was going to be along the lines of :
    
    	"What's the difference between Ibrox and a hedgehog ?"
    

    Dunno...but I'm sure the word "prick" comes into it somewhere ;-)
    
    Dom

A hedgehog has the pricks on the outside.

Mildly customised Volvo joke, that one.

Matt$oracle.

     You're too young Matt, it was a Ford Capri in my day
    
    Rob
    
    BTW - Have you ever been to Bradford; it's a wonderful place, and you
    can get really good cheap curries, and.......

    Rob
    
    Funnily enough, I went to University there...
    
    Stuart

    Why am I doing this in the F@!*st note; can we adjourn to note 39 - it
    needs all the help it can get....
    
    ..... a bit like the team really 
    
    Rob

After a single sentence last week saying Sutter may be off to Forest, the 
paper today has half a page on how Sutter has made it up with Bayern's new 
boss, is under contract until 97 and no-one offered the asking price anyway.

g

    Does anyone have any news about how Andrea Silenzi is getting on at
    Forest (apart from the fact that he doesn't seem to be playing!)?
    
    Dom

    Isn't he still injured ????????? some foot injury I think

    I may be wrong, but wasn't he on the bench for last week's European
    game? I think he came on for something like the last 10 minutes, and
    created a few chances. It was late, so I may well have been dreaming
    this!
    davet

    Forest have sold Lars Bohinen to Blackburn!!!! the price was 700,000
    apparently Frank Clark is none to pleased as Bohinen had a clause in 
    his contract allowing him to leave. Is this fellow any good or have
    Blackburn bought another turkey
    
    GS

    GS,
    
    Yes he is good - He bloody well better get first team playing 'cos he
    is in my fantasy team. And bonus points for boycotting the Norway v
    France game IMHO.
    
    			Shocked_at_this_move_Stretch.
    
    P.S This was done rather quietly.

    Mind you, anyone who moves from Forest to Blackburn at the present time
    must have a few screws loose. Either that, or they offered him a
    fortune.
    
    Dom

    Well done to Notts Forest.... I'm glad they got through... they worked
    hard in both legs.. and got the result they needed...
    
    I hope they finally get some TV coverage... which they deserve...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    The home game for the Nottingham Forest vs Lyon in the UEFA Cup is
    being shown on BBC1 on Nov 21.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Well they don't have much of a choice do they!!!!!
    
    William

    Apparently 21 Forest 'fans' have been deported today from Munich.
    
    Stuart

    any opinions on last night's disaster?...Forest huffed and puffed for
    the first 30 minutes but after their initial pressure they just seemed
    to cave in. Crossley made a right arse of Bayern's first goal, slack
    defending for the second goal and they just gave up after that....
    
    Frank Clark for next England manager?...any takers?...
    
    Ray....

Have to disagree Ray. It seemed to me they came out after HT believing they 
coould get the 4 they needed. Unfortunately Bayern were smart enough to 
realise that they should stick to their tactics and not just defend. I thought 
Forest did wilt visibly, but it was the 3rd that killed them off.

Although Bayern played better than I've seen them this season, I thought 
Forest played well, and 5-1 was a terrible thing to happen to them!

g

    The saddest thing I heard this morning was the press giving it "the
    worst defeat for a British team in 25 years". What about "sad way to go
    out but well done anyway" eh? They had a better run in Europe than some
    teams (on this point I will mumble quietly and shuffle off).......
    
    			Stretch. 

    Brilliant !!
    
    Jason Lee has been transfer-listed by Forest after the club accused
    Fantasy Football League of wrecking his career !!!
    
    The fact that he was shite obviously had nothing to do with it !!!
    
    
    Ian.

    ALL TOGETHER NOW....
    
    HE'S GOT A PINEAPPLE ON HIS HEAD
    HE'S GOT A PINEAPPLE ON HIS HEAD
    HE'S GOT A PINEAPPLE ON HIS HEAD
    HE'S GOT A PINEAPPLE ON HIS HEAD

    Why does he think it will get any better when he moves clubs... that
    song is going to follow him forever....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    How about a hair cut!!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.

     What about two new feet?
    

    
    Reuters report that Dave Bassett is leaving Crystal Palace and joining
    Forest as General Manager....working alongside Stuart Pearce.
    
    Guess he'll not be able to sit back and watch Pearce assume all team
    management duties...will he ??  What is Pearce's reaction to this ?
    
    Trevor

Off IRN;

FOOTBALL 

     Nottingham Forest are set to unveil Pierre Van Hooydonk as their 
     new striker this morning.

     The Celtic striker is valued at four point five million pounds. 

     He'll be the first new player at the City Ground since the new 
     consortium took over.

     Van Hooydonk has scored sixteen goals this season but has made it 
     clear that he is unhappy at Celtic Park.

Mad.

off irn

Relegated Nottingham Forest have put foreign imports Bryan Roy and Nikola Jerkan 
up for sale. 

The unsettled pair, both still under contract, have decided to leave the City 
Ground, after discussing their futures with new manager Dave Bassett. 

Dutch striker Roy's failed to make an impact since joining Forest three years 
ago, while Jerkan spent last season at the City Ground after helping Croatia 
reach the quarter-finals of Euro 96. 

Mad