Conference trucks::football;1

    Just as we are about to enter a new league campaign and with all teams
    in an optimistic mood, how about one or two questions on the league?
    
    1. Which team have won the Eng. championship on a record 18 occasions?
    
    2. Which big and famous club have failed to win the Eng. league for an
       astonishing 24 years?
    
    3. Which team have won the league 11 times in the last 18 years?
    
    4. How many championships did Dave Sexton, Tommy Docherty, Big Ron &
       Alex Ferguson guide Man Utd. to?
    
    5. What striker's stunning strikes guided Liverpool to their 17th
       championship success in 1988?.
    
    6. Which team had a record under the old two point system of 16 goals
       conceeded, 85 scored and a total of 68 points?
    
       That's all for now and if any of you need any clues, I will be glad
       to help.
    
       Wishing every team the best of luck for the new season,
                       Martin. 

	1. Liverpool

	2. Man. Utd.

	3. Liverpool

	4. 0

	5. The Great Aldo

	6. Liverpool

	
	Are you trying to pass on a message ?

	Roger (another Liverpool fan)

     Ref: last 2
    
     I'm praying for Liverpool to have another season just like the last
     so they'll run out of money and start down a path that will secure 
     them an eternal place in the second division. Maybe then they
     can sign TGA (AS defined in topic 10 by some wise fan). 
    
     JC

    
    Poser...
    
    Which player played for 5 different managers last season
    
    Any ideas
    
    jm

    David Speedie????

    Someone who started off the season with club "a", sacked their manager
    after 5 games and took on a new one, then bought by Kenny Dalgleish,
    later managed by Graeme "Hacker" Souness, then played for their country
    in the European qualifying round, any Liverpool fans out there know who
    fits this description?
    
    Stevie "Bites yer b*ll*cks" Campbell

    
    Jimmy Carter ... ?
    
    Two at Millwall and Kenny the Dog, Ronnie Moran and Souness at the Red
    Sh*te.
    
    Paul

    Would it be the person who scored a hatrick saved a penalty was taken
    off and later brought on again all in the first half of an F.A. cup
    final........
    
    
    Roy Of The Rovers -:)
    
    Shaughs.

    Okay pop-pickers, let's start it up again. A musical flavour to this one.
    Name the two"pop" stars:
    
    1. Small fat and bald, drums with a rock dinosaur that produces 
    dinosaur droppings about every five years. Houswives favourite too
    he has enjoyed an obscene amount of success in his solo career and 
    is a mate of Simon Bates. Worst of all he's a Tottenham supporter.
    
    2. Tall lanky dark Irishman. Sadly no longer with us. Played in
    Ireland's finest "rock" band. Supported Manchester Utd. Still, I 
    forgive him. 
    
    Bonus points awarded to the person who names the album by guest
    celeb no 2's band which featured guest celeb no1 1 on percussion.
    Released in 1976 (giving it away!)
    
    Not arf,
    
    Barro.              
     
    
    
    
    

	The two Phils 

	Collins and Lynott	



	By the way, who was the first substitute to play in English football?

	Eck.

    
    re .11
    
    Keith Peacock ???
    
    Paul

	... is the correct answer. I thought that was quite a tricky one.
	

	Eck.

    
    Name four British club sides who have appeared this season with
    "McEwans Lager" emblazoned across their shirts.
    
    Rob

	Newcastle United (possibly only in away games?)

	Glasgow Rangers?

grahame

    Jailbreak was released in '76, I think.  But I don't remember Philo
    getting a credit on it.
    
    Mike M

    It was the "Johnny the Fox" album, Mike. Don't get many acts who 
    release 2 albums a year anymore do you? I've had it for years but
    only last week noticed the credit for Mr Collins. He probably shook
    a maraca or something. 
    
    ...Back to wherever the quiz was. 
    
    Barry.

    
    re -3
    
    Notts county (i think was another)
    
    
    
    Liamf

    re -1 & -4?
    
    That's three of the four (County also only sport it on their 'away'
    kit). There is one other....
    
    ....a 2nd division club North of Watford.
    
    Rob
    

    
    In Celtics 66-67 season only two players played in every first team
    game (cup games included) Who were they ?
    
    

    
    Billy McNeill
    Bobby Lennox
    
    

    
    
    NO......both wrong.......
    
    

    
    	Ronnie Simpson & Jim Craig?
    

    
    Stevie Chalmers & Tommy Gemell ???

    
    re. Celtic question
    
    1 right out of the last two notes........but which one??????
    
    

    
    Ronnie Simpson + John Clark.

    
    Murdoch and Gemmill    ?????

         A shot in the dark;
    
    				Ronnie Simpson & Jimmy Johnstone
    

    
    Simpson & Chalmers or Auld ?
    
    

    
    
    	Try and do this without looking it up... 8-)
    
    	Only four teams remain unbeaten in the English Football League
    	so far this season.
                                                    
    	Two in Div.1 (easy...)
    	One in Div.3 
    	One in Div.4
    
    	Name them all.
    
    
    	Andy.

    Leeds United
    Man Utd
    Huddersfield
    Rotherham Utd
    
    jb.

Utd
leeds
rochdale
Huddersfield

    
    	Re .32...  The Hit Man has it......
    
    	Interesting that neither 'uddersfield nor the Dale are top of
    	their respective leagues (yet..).
    
    	Andy.

	
	What about Leeds not top either YET.

                               James.

    
    
    	And long may it remain so James !! 8-)  8-)  8-)
    
    
    	Andy.

    
    Here's a serious question/ info required.
    
    My son was given an old football jersey by a cousin, and I'd like to 
    know what the team is. Here are the details:-
    
    1) It has blue and black stripes.
    2) It has Rumminegge's name and the number 11 on the back.
    3) The sponsor's name is "MISURA"
    
    Can anybody help?
    
    Cheers,
    Archie (SQF)
    

    re last
    That's the Internazionale Milan shirt... Karl-Heinz Rumminegge played
    with them a few years back, but I didn't think they put the player's
    name on the back like they often do in American sports...

    
    Re - Celtic question....
    
    McNeill and Simpson....
    
    missed only one league game each....
    
    John Clark and Tommy Gemmell played all season, 34 LGE,10 L/CUP,
     6 SCO/CUP and 9 EURO/CUP games.
     

    
    Thanks to Tom and Gunter for the replies to my query on the shirt.
    
    Archie
    

    Which player started off an illustrious career with South Liverpool
    before joining Newport county where he became a prolific scorer. He
    then went on to join Oxford where the goals continued to come. From
    there he joined his beloved Liverpool scoring over 60 goals in two 
    seasons and winning the FA cup and league championship. He then went on
    to join Spanish outfit, Real Sociedad again scoring lots of goals. At
    the moment, he is banging in the goals for Tranmere Rovers.
    
    Cunno.

    Here he goes again...

    re .-2
    
    V.R.B. Ing-Cursed ?
    

    
    I know, its John Aldridge.
    
    Am I right. ?? I'm taking a guess.
    
    JN.
    
    

    Martin,
             I would hazard a guess, but would the same aforementioned
    striker be Roy (Race) of the Rovers. -)
    
    Rgds,
    Tom

    Can't think of ANYONE who fits that description......

    
    
    Ok try these 2
    
    Name all the players with 4 letters in their surname that played for
    England since 1966?  I have 14 but there may be more.
    
    Name the 7 black players that have played for Manchester United.
    
    Gary.

    Utd players... just a guess...
    
    Viv Anderson
    Remi Moses
    Danny Wallace
    Paul Parker
    Paul Ince
    Paul McGrath
    Laurie Cunningham ?
    
    
    Adam.

    
    Adam, you're correct of course but I'd forgotten about Paul Parker.
    
    There is one more.  (at least).
    
    Gary.

    
    Big Ron didn't take Batson up there did he ?
    
    I'm struggling now !....
    
    
    
    Adam.

This is hard... OK Gary, I'll start with a few obvious ones...

Alan Ball
Colin Bell
Neil Webb

but how about some of these:

Gordon West
David Webb
Tony Book
Colin Todd
Ian More (or was it Moor?) though I'm not sure about this one...

but not of course:

Joe Cool?


Tarik

    Garth Crooks is another coloured player.
    
    Noel

    
    Man Utd....... Luther Blisset. ???
    
    JN.

    A few more with 4 letter surnames :
    
    Definitely
    
    Peter Reid
    Phil Neal
    Roger Hunt
    Gordon Hill
    Steve Bull
    David Nish
    Gary Shaw
    Dennis Wise
    
    + others already mentioned
    Alan Ball
    Colin Bell
    Colin Todd
    Neil Webb
    
    
    Maybe :
    
    Brian Hall
    Jimmy Case

    
    Ricky Hill   (England, NOT Man U. !!!)
    
    
    Adam.

    
    Garth Crooks was the 8th black player to play for Man United.
    
    
    Re 4 letter surnames,
    
    The 12 in .55 are correct as is Ricky Hill in .56.  I also have Steve
    Hunt and Gordon West but I did not have Gary Shaw.
    
    Gary.

    
    	I don't think Gordon West (of Everton?) ever actually got a full
    	cap. He was in the squad on countless occasions, and I think went
    	to Mexico as the third keeper (?) but did he ever play? I'm not
    	so sure.....
    
    	Andy.

    
    Gordon West refused to go to Mexico with the English team but i 
    can,t remember why ??????????
    
    
    
    
    Any info ???????????
    
    
    Liam

    
    West won 2 full caps against Bulgaria at Wembley in 1968 (1-1)
    and against Mexico at Mexico City in 1969 (0-0)
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz. 

    
    What's long, lanky and stupid and runs round in circles, has a head
    like an unmade bed, spends most of his time looking down at his boots
    and costs over 4 million pounds????? 
    
        Cunno.

    Ian Rush and Dean Saunders
    
    Nigeo

    See my personal name

    The answer is at the end of Note 9.61  !!!
    
    PJ

    
    The answer to 9.61 is none other than the totally useless Chris Waddle.
    
          Cunno.

Trying to think of 4 letter words for England players is pretty easy after
Wednesday's Turkeytrot. Didn't Peter Ward get a cap when he was at Brighton
(just before the basket case spent megabucks to take him to Forest).

Bob

    Q. Who was the first person in the history of Scottish football to be
       booked for running off of the park after scoring a goal.

    
    	Steve Kirk??   Aberdeen v Motherwell Scottish cup tie last year?
    
    
    John A.
    

    
    I can remember Derek Parlane being booked for this during a Scottish
    Cup Semi-Final match against Ayr United in 1973,but i'm not sure if
    he was the first.

    When was the last time Leeds Utd. were top of the League Div. 1 and
    who were the top 5 teams on that day. Also, how many points had they
    and how many games played.
    
    

    
    re: last
    
    Some of the answers ...
    
    Last day of the 1973-74 season.
    Don't know the top 5 but Liverpool were 2nd.
    Don't know the points but games played was 42.

    Leeds went top in October 1973 and stayed there.
    
    jb.

    Answer.....
    
    
    Leeds were last top of Div.1 at the end of the 1974 season.
    the top five teams were Leeds,Liverpool,Derby Co.,Ipswich,Burnley.
    they ammased a total of 62 points from 42 games under the old 2 point 
    system.

    
    I thought Leeds were top for the entire 73-74 season (the only
    team to manage this so far). They did start with 7 or 8 straight
    wins and were unbeaten until the 30th game.

    
    I'll go for Uli Steilke,
       
            rgds,
             Mike

>>                       <<< Note 9.80 by ESSB::MOBRIEN >>>
>>                           -< present swiss boss >-

    
>>    I'll go for Uli Steilke,
       
>>            rgds,
>>             Mike

Lads,
     Guess whos back in the notes again !!!!!. He is casting his notes by proxy
now.  Question is, who is the Mystery noter !!!. A clue, his pride will not let 
him use his own name.

Rgds,
Shaughs.

    Who was the first player to win a full England cap whilst playing for a
    Scottish club?

    That's too easy for a Gooner Mike. Whoops there's a clue.

    OK, Peter, if the last one is too easy for you try these Arsenal
    related questions:
    
    1) Who was the first Arsenal player to captain England?
    
    2) Who was the last Arsenal player to be the Football League's top
       scorer at the end of a season?
    
    3) Who was Arsenal's youngest captain?
    
    4) What is Arsenal's lowest position ever in the Football League at the
       end of a season?
    
    5) In relation to the 1970/71 double season what do Leeds, Southampton
       and Crystal Palace have in common?
    
    Mike M                       

    1) Who was the first Arsenal player to captain England?
    pass
    2) Who was the last Arsenal player to be the Football League's top
       scorer at the end of a season?
    Smith
    3) Who was Arsenal's youngest captain?
    Adams
    4) What is Arsenal's lowest position ever in the Football League at the
       end of a season?
    18th
    5) In relation to the 1970/71 double season what do Leeds, Southampton
       and Crystal Palace have in common?
    They beat the Arse
    
    jb expecting 0/5

    Jon, expectation lives up to reality, 0/5.
    
    Mike M

    
    
    	1. Peter Storey.
    
    	2. Ray Kennedy
    
    	3. Paul Davis
    
    	4. 20th
    
    	5.They were the only teams Arsenal failed to beat on the way
    		to the Double.
    
    
    		Hass... 

    OK Mike. These are a lot tougher. I'll need to go home and consult a
    book or two for these so my answers are guesses.
    
    BTW was I right about the previous question - Joe Baker was the first 
    English international while playing for a Scottish club (Hibs)? Joe is
    one of my all-time favourite Gunners.
    
    1) Who was the first Arsenal player to captain England?
    
    	Charlie Buchan
    
    2) Who was the last Arsenal player to be the Football League's top
       scorer at the end of a season?
    	
    	Jimmy Brain
    
    3) Who was Arsenal's youngest captain?
    	
    	Cliff "Boy" Bastin
    
    4) What is Arsenal's lowest position ever in the Football League at the
       end of a season?
    
    	about 10th in Division 2
    
    5) In relation to the 1970/71 double season what do Leeds, Southampton
       and Crystal Palace have in common?
    
    	They were the only teams to get a point at Highbury

    I'm impressed, Peter.  4 and 5 are correct as is Joe Baker.  To save
    you delving into any reference books I'll give you some clues on 1-3.
    
    1) Who was the first Arsenal player to captain England?
       (Clue: King of Israel who was the centrepiece of a bowls match)
     
    2) Who was the last Arsenal player to be the Football League's top
       scorer at the end of a season?
       (Clue: A Kray twin who sounds like a chess piece)
    
    3) Who was Arsenal's youngest captain?
       (Clue: Fabric sounds like it could be used in church)
    
    Mike M

>>>    1) Who was the first Arsenal player to captain England?
>>>       (Clue: King of Israel who was the centrepiece of a bowls match)
    
    YITZAK JACK
    
     
>>>    2) Who was the last Arsenal player to be the Football League's top
>>>       scorer at the end of a season?
       (Clue: A Kray twin who sounds like a chess piece)
    
    REGGIE PAWN
    
>>>    3) Who was Arsenal's youngest captain?
>>>       (Clue: Fabric sounds like it could be used in church)
    
    NYLON PEW
    
    
    Dead easy...... :-)
    
    Paul

    The following teams are in order as of the date of this entry.
    but WHAT order?
    Prize for the correct answer, Paul Watterson need not enter!
    (i told him yesterday)
    
    Man United
    Liverpool
    Arsenal
    Leeds
    Spurs
    Everton
    Chelsea
    Crystal Palace
    Luton
    Sheffield United
    Man City
    Coventry
    Sheff Weds
    Aston Villa
    Notts Forest
    Sunderland
    West Ham
    Notts County
    QPR
    Oldham
    Norwich
    
    
    answers on a postcard please.......
    

    
    RE -1
    
    My guess is that they are in order of number of replies in their notes
    in this conference.
    
    Jon

    good shot.
    what fish do you want Jon?
    

Here's a good one to end the week on...

Which footballer appeared at No 1 Court of the Old Bailey in 1981 ?

Clue. He played for Arsenal.

    Peter Storey ? - wasn't he caught distributing 'naughty' videos ?
    
    Paul

    Nope. 

    
    Alan Sunderland perhaps.

    
    yeah I'll go along with that .. wasn't it that famous 
    "offensive home perm" charge ?
    
    CHris

    Yeah, Alan Sunderland, I think.  It was a manslaughter charge for
    knocking someone down and killing them.
    
    Mike M 

    Wasn't the Old Bailey though was it ?

    The player concerned was not charged with any offence.

  
    	..then it was either jury service or giving evidence...hmmmmm
    
    	tricky!
    
    	Andy.

    Give up then lads, or do you want the weekend to think about it 8-)

    Perhaps, Willie Young had fallen on hard times and was doing a spot of
    busking on the steps outside.
    
    Mike M 

You are going to kill me for this, but it makes good trivia, right? Anyway:

As a spectator Pat Jennings attended the opening day of the trial of Peter
Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper.

    course, silly me, i should have known....
    Ian.
    :-(
    

    Dave, that is without question, the most boring question about Arsenal
    in this topic! And it's got some pretty stiff competition! ;-]

    Oh come on Steve !! What else do we all have to think about on a
    Friday afternoon ?

    
    Here's a quick one for all you gurus.....
    
    Name the only current first division manager to score in an FA Cup
    final.
    
    Paul

    
    Porterfield - Chelsea

    re -1 Cloughie ?

    
    re .113
    
    Correct - obviously too easy

Didn't George Graham get credited with the equaliser versus Liverpool in '71,
even though Eddie Kelly got the final touch? Or was it vice versa?

Bob

    A few more questions.....
    
    1 - Against which club did Accrington Stanley play their last Football
    League match ?
    
    2 - Which was the last of the present third division teams to reach an
    FA Cup final ?
    
    3 - Which two Oldham players have scored in a Manchester 'derby'
    match ?
    
    4 - Against which two clubs has John Aldridge played his last two FA
    cup games ?
    
    5 - Name the last Nigerian born player to play for England in a full
    international ?
    
    6 - Two teams from which City were knocked out of the first round of
    the FA Cup ? (clue it wasn't London)
    
    7 - Prior to Mo Johnston - who was the last player to join Everton from
    Glasgow Rangers ?
    
    8 - What are the National soccer colours of El Salvador ?
    
    These questions are open to all noters - except KERNEL::HAWLEYI who's
    seen the answers....
    
    Paul

    
>    2 - Which was the last of the present third division teams to reach an
>    FA Cup final ?
 
    	Fulham
       
>    3 - Which two Oldham players have scored in a Manchester 'derby'
 >   match ?
  
    	Willie Donacie (sp?) and ???  
>    4 - Against which two clubs has John Aldridge played his last two FA
>    cup games ?
 
    Everton and Runcorn
       
>    5 - Name the last Nigerian born player to play for England in a full
>    international ?
 
    John Chedozie ??????
       
>    6 - Two teams from which City were knocked out of the first round of
>    the FA Cup ? (clue it wasn't London)
 
    Lincoln
       
>    8 - What are the National soccer colours of El Salvador ?
 
    White and blue
 

       	2    	Fulham
    
	Correct.
    
       
	3    	Willie Donacie (sp?) and ???  
    
    	Wrong (the question should say present Oldham players)
    
 
    	4 	Everton and Runcorn
	       
    	Correct.
    
 
	5    John Chedozie ??????
       
	Wrong.
 
	6    Lincoln
       
    	Correct
 
	8    White and blue
 
    	Correct

>    3 - Which two Oldham players have scored in a Manchester 'derby'
 >   match ?
  
    	Roger Palmer, Tony Hendry (are they still there?)

    
    	3. Andy Ritchie?
    
    	5. Luther Blissett?
    
    

	Steve,
    
    Roger Palmer's correct - I think Tony Henry's retired (or moved on)
    
        Andy,
    
    Andy Ritchie's the other one
    (But Luther's wrong for 5)
    Paul

	5/ John Salako

    
    re .123
    
    Correct

    
    3- Earl Barrett  ???
    
    Dave...

    
    re .125
    
    You're a bit late Dave, the answer was Palmer & Richtie.
    
    Paul

    1. Wimbledon?

    
    Wimbledon ??????? - what sort of an answer's that ????
    
    You're disqualified Mr Haigh !!

    Re.126
    
     OK,OK....I dint read the other notes.
    
    Dave...

Who was the last player to play in all 4 divisions of the football league in one
year? I have the answer but I would like somebody to provide the details as to
how he managed it all in one year/season (??).

                              James.

    
    Remaining answers to .117
    
    1 - Accrington Stanley played their last league game away to Crewe -
    they lost 4-0.
    
    7 - The last player to move from Rangers to Everton was Willie
    Stevenson..
    
    Paul
    
    Re the player playing in all four divisions - was it in one YEAR or one
    SEASON ?

Re. -1

I think it was one YEAR. A little more probable than in one season as he would 
then have needed three transfers and not two.

                                 James.

    This is a guess... what about Gary Penrice? I seem to remember him
    moving around Bristol City (?), Watford and Villa fairly quickly? I
    can't think what the 4th could be though - maybe a loan spell, or did
    City get promoted? (don't think so...)
    
    Or I could be completely wrong...                        

    
    	re player who played in all 4 divisions in 1 year
    
    		It was Eric Nixon who played for Man City ,Tranmere
    		but i am not sure of the other 2 clubs.

Paul Allen - West Ham 1976
Clive Allen - Spurs 1982

But that's only the last 20 years.

Bob

    
    RE.131
    Are you sure the last player to be transferred from Rangers to Everton
    was Willie Stevenson?(What year was this?)
    I was sure that the last one was Alex Scott(mid/late 60's)

    
    I must admit, I haven't got a clue - I pinched the question from the
    Liverpool echo.....
    
    Paul

     Gary Ablett scored just one goal for Liverpool during nearly 130 games.
Can anybody tell me who he scored his only goal against?

    Cunno.

    
    	Everton?
    

    LIVERPOOL :-)
    
    

    
    	Who scored six goals in an F.A. cup tie and still ended up on the
    losing side?

    
    Re -1, City were beaten 3-1 in the replay and Law scored again.
    
    Gary.
    

          <<< Note 9.143 by GALVIA::SPAIN "There's always the U.S." >>>
                               -< Nottm Forest >-

    
     Very good Gary,
                   He scored the third goal in a 3-0 home win over Notts For. on
18/4/87. Dalglish and a superb strike from Whelan were the other scorers.

    Cunno    

    
    I need these answers for a Quiz (please no wild guesses).  I don't have my
    reference books here in Galway.  Any help would be much appreciated.
                                                    
    1  Who captained Uruguay to win the 1930 World Cup?
    
    (I think it was the keeper Ballesteros but I'm not sure)
    
    2  Who played in the 1958 finals for Brazil and the 1962 finals for
    Italy under a diffeent name?
    
    Gary.

    
    	Taken from yesterday's paper (don't reply right away if you read
    it).
    
    		What's is common to the following team (4-3-3 formation);
    
    
    			   Westwater (Falkirk)
    
       Miller(Hibs)  Levein(Hearts)  Kuznetsov(Rangers)  Baillie(St.Mirren)
    	      
    	 Van de Ven(Aberdeen)  Charnley(St.Mirren)  Turner(St.Johnstone)
    
    	McWilliams(Dunfermline)  Cusack(Motherwell,  Cook(Stranraer)
                                   now Darlington)

    All been sent off this season ?
    

    
    
    I know the answer Johnny......can I tell him ?????  Canna ?

    
    Have they all been sent off this season v's Airdrie.

    
    	RE: Last.
    
    	Correct, that man. Charnley gets to be captain since he's had the
    honour of being sent off twice against Airdrie this season.

    
    	Why do all these people get sent of against Airdrie? Is this a team
    of Mark Hughes' / J Klinsmanns?

    re -1
    
    No not really, Most were sent off because Airdrie have a few players
    who are very adept at niggling players and exploiting situations....
    
    
    On second thoughts, yes, just like Hughes and Klinsmann.
    
    Kev..

    
    	Re last few.
    
    	   Yes, and in Evan Balfour they have possibly the dirtiest
    footballer in Scottish senior football (I see he kept up to his usual 
    antics on Saturday when lifting his studs to connect with a Huntly 
    player's face).
    
    John (Who's NOT a member of the Evan Balfour fan club).
    

    Thet all play for teams in Scotland.

       Martin    

    In the time that Greame Souness was manager of Rangers, which player
    scored the most goals against Rangers?  (Bad grammar I know |-))
    
    Mark.
    

    Terry Butcher
    

    7-out-of-seven.
    
    So you read "Bob Crampsey's Did You Know" on a saturday evening as
    well, do you ?
    
    

    
    	Here's a wee beaut i heard the other day.
    
    	Who was the last person to score a hat-trick against Rangers?
    
    	I'm not in again 'til Wednesday,so you'll have to wait until then
    	for the solution.

    Somehow, my gut feeling tells me it was Champagne Charlie Nicholas
    	I'm probably wrong, though.
    
    
    
    Kumar

    
    No,it wasn't Charlie.Would you like the answer,or will we let it run
    for another few guesses?

    
    Mo Johnston maybe ???
    
    a real stab in the dark :)
    
    mac

Kenny Dalglish?

    
    Nope to both.
    Clue:He still"plays" in Scotland.

    
    
    	Ally McCoist when playing for St. Johnstone ?

    Not sure if he still plays. Frank McGarvey

    
    Still nobody correct.I'll let it run a bit longer,so the "A" shift
    buffs can have a go,(John Adams,where are you?).

    
    
    was it that polish guy Celtic had/have, don't know his name, might not even
    have got the right nationality ????
    
    mac

    
    Steve Archibald.
    
    JN.

    
    Willy Miller.
    
    JN.

    
    
    	is it Jim Tolmie????

    
    Roy Aitken ???

    
    O.K. Maybe Big Roy was a long shot but we`ve had a wee chat
    and now think it may be either
    
     A- John Brown when at Dundee  or
    
     B- Davie Dodds in that Cup Final assuming he scored in
        the penalty shoot-out
    
                                    Shift-A Posse

    
    Well done big Dougie and the posse.
    
    The correct answer was John Brown.(Award yersels a gold star and set
    the next teaser).

    
    Just thought of another one that'll get the old grey matter buzzin'.
    
    Disregarding the McStays.Who were the last set of brothers to play for
    Celtic's first team?

    howzabout the McCluskey's

    David Elliot (Now Partick) and his brother (Can't remember his
    Christian name but definitely *NOT* Paul)
    
    

    
    Not the ones i'm thinking of.

    I just passed my FIFA beginner Referee exam!  So I thought I'd ask a
    couple of easy questions. (See if you instantly know the answers).
    
    The defensive team gets a direct free kick outside of its goal area.
    The kicker decides to kick the ball back to his goalie.  What is the
    ref's call and how would he restart the game if:
    
    	a)  An offensive player runs in and intercepts and scores a goal?
    
    	b)  An offensive player, in an off side position, intercepts and
    		scores.
    
    	c)  The ball goes directly into the kicker's own goal.
    
    	d)  The goalie trips and knocks the ball into his own goal.
    
    
    		Jeff

    
    Shift A Posse question as requested.....
    
    A bit Scottish orientated again I`m afraid but if you`ve 
    got access to a UK paper it`ll make it easier.
    
     Q- Name 6 clubs in the Scottish Leagues which have the same
        double letters in their name i.e XX or YY as in Celyytic.
    
    In answer to the question from the referee we,the Posse,well JADAMS
    actually,reckons they`re all legitimate goals.
    
                                                  Shift A Posse

    
    RE:-2
    A,B & D.....Goal
    C....Corner.
    
    RE:-1 
    Dundee,Dundee Utd,Aberdeen,Greenock Morton(This has got to be the
    stinger ay John?),Queens Park and Queen of the South.

re -.3

All valid goals, but in A & B the attacking player must start off at least 10
yards away from the ball.

If it had been indirect then C would have been a corner!!???

Al

    Motherwell  St. Mirren 

    Gee,  I thought everyone would get 9.187 correct!  As it is, NO ONE is
    right so far (although 9.189 came close).  I guess that if you grow up
    something you think you know it.  It takes a know-nothing like me to go
    to the 12 hour course, and study 8 hours for the exam to come up with a 
    trick question. 
    
    		Regards,
    				Jeff

    
    If it's a direct free kick, in all occasions the goal stands.
    
    Ciao - Nick
    

    
    Well, I told you it was a trick question. Here's the question and
    answer.
    
    
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    I just passed my FIFA beginner Referee exam!  So I thought I'd ask a
    couple of easy questions. (See if you instantly know the answers).
    
    The defensive team gets a direct free kick outside of its goal area.
    The kicker decides to kick the ball back to his goalie.  What is the
    ref's call and how would he restart the game if:
    
    	a)  An offensive player runs in and intercepts and scores a goal?
    
    	b)  An offensive player, in an off side position, intercepts and
    		scores.
    
    	c)  The ball goes directly into the kicker's own goal.
    
    	d)  The goalie trips and knocks the ball into his own goal.
    
    
    		Jeff
    
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    In all instances, it is NOT a goal, it is NOT a corner kick.  It is
    simply, a restart!!!  I said that the ball was outside the GOAL AREA,
    Not outside the PENALTY AREA!!  On a free kick within the penalty area,
    the ball must travel the GREATER of one circumference, or the distance
    to OUTSIDE the penalty line.
    
    If the ball had been outside the penalty area, then all four cases
    would have been a goal.  If it had been an INDIRECT kick outside the
    penalty area then case C would be a corner kick (all others being
    goals).
    
    In the next note, I'll ask another question.  (Unless I'm boo'd out of
    the conference.)
    
    			Jeff-the-Ref
    
    

    What is the closest a defender can get to the ball when the offensive
    team has a direct kick?  What if it's an indirect kick?
    
    
    

    
    We are talking free kick here ??
    
    
    1) Ten yards is the distance a player (defender) must be from 
       the ball before the free kick is taken whether its indirect 
       or direct. 
    
    2) He can get as close as he likes once the ball has been moved
       by the offensive player, whether direct or indirect.
    
    3) "Quick" free kicks can be taken and in these cases defending 
       players may be right on top of the ball. Not all refs like
       quick free kicks though, especially near the penalty area.
    
    The above is more than likely wrong but free kicks for the offensive
    team can occur in the penalty area. The distance rule I do not know
    about in this case.
    
    JN. :-(

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>    1) Ten yards is the distance a player (defender) must be from 
>       the ball before the free kick is taken whether its indirect 
>      or direct. 
 
    Sorry.  I told you it was "tricky"   
    
    
>    2) He can get as close as he likes once the ball has been moved
>      by the offensive player, whether direct or indirect.
    
    Sorry.  It depends, but the ball in ALL cases must move AT LEAST 27
    inches (one circumference), not "has been moved.." We studied a case
    where an indirect was "touched" by one player and then kicked in by the 
    second player. (It was a retake).
    
    
>    We are talking free kick here ??
    
    
    Yes.
    
    		Jeff-the-Ref 
    
    P.S.  Before you get the wrong idea.... I ref my first game this sat!!
    (I plan to place a reply in note 143 asking for REAL practical advice
    on ref'g.  This note is for FUN "TEXTBOOK REF'G" stuff)  It's easy for
    my to do this "theory" with the FIFA book by myside.  (Of course my
    book is written in British - so a Yank does have to translate a bit!)
    
    We are talking free kick here ??
    
    

    
    Legally could be six yards. An indirect free kick on the six yard line
    and the defenders are then allowed to stand on the goal line ????
    
    

    RE .183
           Are we ever going to get an answer to this.

>    Disregarding the McStays.Who were the last set of brothers to play for
>    Celtic's first team?

Well how about any two that played on Saturday (you didn't say they
had to be related)

    
    In answer to Ian's question regarding the last set of brothers to play
    in Celtics 1st team, the answer must be......................
    
    
    
    Pat Bonnar & his twin brother Dennis, in big Packy's testimonial match
    against the Republic of Ireland last year !!! 
    

    
    Re -1, John, Denis played with the Irish team for the last few minutes
    so I don't thinki t was him.  Good answer though.
    
    Gary.

    Congratulations!! We have a winner.
    
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>    What is the closest a defender can get to the ball when the offensive
>    team has a direct kick?  What if it's an indirect kick?
    
    
    

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>    
>    Legally could be six yards. An indirect free kick on the six yard line
>    and the defenders are then allowed to stand on the goal line ????
    
    
    Correct.  We studied this while discussing penalties within the goal
    area.
    
    Any indirect kick awarded within the goal area of the defending team,
    will be moved to just over the goal area line.  The defenders can set
    up a wall on the goal line between the goal posts.   (Obviously, for a
    direct kick, the 10 yd rule ALWAYS applies. Because, in the case of a
    direct kick within the goal area, a penalty kick would be awarded)
    
    Anyone else have any other "tricky" Laws of the Games questions?

    re.183
    
    Well Mr.Sutherland do you know the answer to the question you posed
    almost 3 months ago.If so could you share it with the rest of us.
    
    p.s. As a last guess,i`ll go for the Callaghans (Tommy & Willie)
    
    rgds
    Graham.

    
    Well i'll put you all out your misery and reveal the answer.
    
    	It was of course.......
    
    	Jock Stein and Bertie Peacock.
    
    	(They were both Masons):>)

    Terrible !!!
    
    But good .....

    
  1.  Against which team did Stan Mortensen score an F.A cup final
      hat-trick at Wembley in 1953.
    
  2.  How many league goals did John Barnes score for Watford..
    
    
      Andy.b
    

    re -1
    
    1. Bolton 
    
    2. ???
    
    DavidS.
    

    	
    Name the two First Division clubs that were not issued with red cards
    last season!
      

    
    Reding the morning paper gives you so much valueable information...
    
    There is a world record in sending-offs in an international game. The
    question is;
    
    1. When?
    2. Between witch teams?
    3. How many where sent off?
    4. Who was the referee?
    
    Questions for Jeff-the-Ref perhaps.
    
    Mats

    
    I'm off for a five weeks vaction, and since no one has guessed the
    correct aswer i will reveal it to you.
    
    In 1975 Uruguay played Chile in a friendly in Santiago. The referee was
    a certain Sergio Vasquez. A fight broke out on the field and Mr.
    Vasquez issued no less than 19 red cards.
    
    The story doesn't tell if the game continued.....
    
    Mats
    
    

    >  .... I don't know if the game continued...
    
    It depends on how many folks who got red cards were "players".  There's
    a minimum numbers of players needed in order for a match to continue.
    (I think it's 7 or 8 for each team -- I have a "crib sheet" at home
    to remind me since each of the leagues I ref has different rules.  You
    might also be interested in the fact that the number of players needed 
    to Start a match is often larger than the number needed to continue 
    the match)
    
    You can give a coach or substitute a red card but that would not effect
    the number of players ALLOWED on the field.  (Of course, you wouldn't
    have any sub's left to go into the game should a player need to come
    out).  Also, if the fight broke out BEFORE the game officially began,
    then that too would not effect the number of players ALLOWED to play.
    
    Also, it would depend on the number of cards given to each team.  
    Let's say that each team had two coaches, and 15 members on their
    roster (4 subs).  That's 34 people all together.  Suppose all 4 coaches
    got cards; then 15 roster people must have gotten carded.  Suppose all 
    the subs got carded, that leaves 22 "Players" and 7 remaining cards.  If 
    there were an even distribution, one team would have 8 players left on the 
    field and the other would have 7. (Possibly meeting the (I think) 7 minimum
    requirement).
    
    HOWEVER!!!  I doubt that the above happened.  I would be willing to bet
    that the match was abandoned due to lack of having the minimum number
    of players.
    
    Boy I'm glad I didn't have to ref that match.
    
    		Jeff-the-ref (Who's given out one yellow in a whole season)

    
    This is not so much a quiz,more of a note to get you thinking.(Parti
    cularly all the Scots).
    
     Can you name all the centre forwards that Rangers have
     sold since 1986,(I've counted 8,but there could be more).
    
    Happy hunting,
    		Back on Tuesday,
    				Iain.

    
    I don't really give a toss (but I heard Richard Gough only charges a
    fiver for one !), but I'll have a go anyway
    
    John Spencer
    Kevin Drinkell
    Mark Falco
    Paul Rideout
    Andy Kennedy (or was that too long ago ?)
    Robert Fleck
    Mo Johnston (la petite merde)
    Colin West
        
    That's as many as I can get !
    
    
    

    
    What about Andy Gray....Free transfer to Sky Sports.
    And Derek Johnstone......Free to Super Scoreboard 92
    Bobby Williamson......now with Killie
    Neil Woods.....to Bolton?.....another well known Souness signing...

    Mmmm, another note prompted this. It is, I think, a Trivial Pursuit 
    question:
    
    What football team do the crew in "Das Boot" support?  
    
    barry.  

    
    Offenbach Kickers ?

    re .219
    
    I'm sure that's what they would have liked to do, be it an
    impossible task but, no, I can't quite envisage a German U-Boat 
    crew supporting a Rusky team. 
                       
    :^)
    
    barry.

    Im sure I heard on an Interview on ELF 99 that they were Loyal
    Bo'ness United Supporters.....??
    
    
    Steve
    
    *:@)

         <<< Note 9.218 by ARRODS::OHAGANB "Kipperhead Rides Again" >>>

>    Mmmm, another note prompted this. It is, I think, a Trivial Pursuit 
>    question:
    
>    What football team do the crew in "Das Boot" support?  
    
>    barry.  



Manchester United??

    Tut! Clue time. As far as I know they are the only team in the
    Bundersliga who are'nt named after a German city/town. Now that's
    giving it away. 
    
    :^)
    
    barry. 

    

   Its so long since I seen "Das Boot" but I wouldn't be surprised if they
supported Schalke 04... they are the best supported team in Germany, no matter
what division they play in.....

                                                                  -dave-

    At last! Schalke 04 it is. 
    
    barry. 

    Quick question : which player holds the record number of
		     England caps ? Is it Peter Shilton ? How
		     many ?

thanks,

Paul.

Thanks

    The own goal one was Steve Bould after 15 seconds for Arsenal away to
    Sheffield Wednesday.  Wednesday won 1-0, if my memory serves me right.
    
    
    Gary

    Blimey, you don't get many names like Pongo Waring these days do 
    you? Shame.
    
    barry.

    
    Huddersfield were the first to win the league 3 times.
    
    Chelsea were refused entry into Europe
    
    Clough became manager in 1974 
    
    Gary.

    
    >>16.	 Who was Arsenal's top league scorer in 1974/75?
    
    >>     Radford
    
    How about Brian Kidd?
    
    barry.
     

    >>Huddersfield were the first to win the league 3 times.
    
    Nope.  They were the first to win it in three consecutive years, but
    not the first to win it three times.
    
    >>Chelsea were refused entry into Europe
    
    Yes.
    
    >>Clough became manager in 1974 
    
    No.
    
    And, Barry, your right Arsenal's top scorer in 74/75 was Brian Kidd.
    
    Mike M

Clough became manager in 1977

Al

    
    Was Clough 1976
    
    Blackburn won the league three times...
    
    
    Paul

    
    Blackburn were the first to win 3 consecutive league title.
    
    Clough was appointed in 1971
    
    mac

    I'd hazard a guess at late 76, early 77 for Clough taking over at
    Forest. He lasted something in the region of 40 days at Leeds after
    leaving Derby did'nt he. And then it was Brighton for a while before
    Forest???
    
    barry.          

    >>Clough became manager in 1977
    
    >>Al
    
    No.
        
    >>    Was Clough 1976
    
    No.
        
    >>    Blackburn won the league three times...
    
    Yes they have, but they weren't the first to do it.
        
    >>    Blackburn were the first to win 3 consecutive league title.
      
    No.
      
    >>    Clough was appointed in 1971
    
    No.
        
    >>    2.	 During 1983/84 which English Football League team 
    >>went 31 games without a win?
    
    >>                                 Stoke City
      
    No.
      
    >>    15.	 In which year did Brian Clough become manager of 
    Nottingham Forest?
    >>                             1975 after Leeds and Brighton.
    
    Yes.
    
    >>    I'd hazard a guess at late 76, early 77 for Clough taking 
    >>over at Forest. He lasted something in the region of 40 days at 
    >>Leeds after leaving Derby did'nt he. And then it was Brighton 
    >>for a while before Forest???
      
    I think he was at Brighton first 73-74 and then Leeds 74.  Then 
    Forest January 75.
    
    And, Steve Bould, for the own goal question, is right.
    
    Mike M                                      

    
    
    >>15.  Brian Clough ,became Manager Of Nottingham Forest on
           Monday/Tuesday Jan 6/7 1975......
    
    
    
    
    M.J.

    
    How about Aston Villa for the first to get three championships?

    
    13.	 Which was the first club to win the English First Division  
    three times?
    
    Sunderland.
    

    Well, Santa brought me Simon Inglis' Football Grounds of Great 
    Britain and soon the Europe edition will find it's way into 
    my mits. A question for yous.
    
    Which club, although never officially recorded, is thought to
    have been the first to have a Spion Kop and from where does the 
    name originate?
    
    barry. 
    
    

        <<< Note 9.249 by ARRODS::OHAGANB "Greetings From Bomb City" >>>

    
>    Which club, although never officially recorded, is thought to
>    have been the first to have a Spion Kop and from where does the 
>    name originate?
    
    barry. 
    Isn't the name summat to do with the Crimean War??

  A.J.P. Panes   
    

    
    	No, Boer War. My guess would be Sheff.Wed.
    
    	Andy.

    Yes, the Boer War. Spion Kop, if I remember rightly, was a hill where 
    a large number of British soldiers were massacred and returning 
    servicemen remembered their dead by naming the standing embankments 
    of a good few clubs after said hill. The first club to unofficially 
    use it are still around but don't play at the site anymore.   

    F W de Bazza.
    

	...and the club was..?

    Without looking it up in the paper, name the 5 English and 4 Scottish
    League teams whose (full and official) names start and end with the 
    same letter.
    
    The answer's below, so NEXT if you don't wanna see it yet ...
    
    And the answer is .....
     
    ..... sure you want to see ?
    
    
    In alphabetical order, just to avoid any accusations of bias (as if
    that would be the case in this conference !?)
    
    English:	Aston VillA
    		Charlton AthletiC
    		LiverpooL
    		Northampton TowN
    		York CitY
    
    Jock:	Dundee UniteD
    		East FifE
    		East StirlingshirE
    		KilmarnocK
    
    And who's gonna be first to explain why Celtic ain't there ?
    

    Celtic ain't a football team

    Without looking it up in the paper who can name the 4 English league
    teams whose full name ends with the letter E? This excludes teams like 
    Newcastle and Tranmere whose full names are Newcastle United and
    Tranmere Rovers..
    
    						Steve..

Crystal PalacE
Plymouth ArgylE
Port ValE
RochdalE

    re .last
    
    Conclusive proof that E's are not good for you.
    
    barry.

    
    	re .255...
    
    	without cheating (honest!!)
    
    	I'll go for Liverpool, Aston Villa, Kilmarnock, York City,
    	errrrrrr...
    
    	There's four of 'em. Now I'm stuck...
    
    	Andy.

    
    What about MIM ?
    
    Naw, they're never a football team, proved that on January 2nd !
    
     

    Should'nt that be      Murray International Medals   ..!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    Stav.

    
    	
    
    	Name the only player to score past Pat Jennings with his
    	bare feet?

    Tony the Tiger during a Frosties Commercial
    
    
    
    Stav.

    Which Scottish engineer and architect was responsible for designing,
    improving and building stands at the following grounds:
    
    Parkhead, Ibrox, Hampden, Bramell Lane, Stamford Bridge, Selhurst Park,
    White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, Highbury, Old Traford, and Villa Park
    to name but a few?
    
    barry. 

    Geogre Wimpey >*

    re .255
    
    because you forgot them ??
    
    

	Come on Jim, catch up !!

    
    Since there's so much hullabaloo about McCoist.......
    
    Who was the last Rangers player to score against England at Wembley ?? 
    
    
    colin.

    
    Stuart Kennedy !!!!
    
    Del.

Jim Baxter 

     
    re last two,
    
    both wrong.....did kennedy not score 5.....for England ????
    
    8*)
    
    colin
    

    Alfie Conn
    
    

    
    Chris Woods?

    
    The answer is below but if you want a wee clue before looking, he wasn't
    Scottish, he was Swedish.....
    
    sure ?????
    
    no...it wasn't Robert Prytz...
    
     it was Orjan Persson (sp)
    
    colin 

1. Name the nine black players who have played wuth Manchester United?

2. Name the 12 players who have played with both Leeds and Manchester United?

                             James.

    RE -1
    
    1. Here are five: Remi Moses, Paul Ince, Viv Anderson, Paul Parker,
    Laurie Cunningham.
    
    2. Here are four: Gordon Strachan, Gordon McQueen, Joe Jordan, Eric
    Cantonna

    
    mac

    
    1  Paul McGrath, Garth Crooks
    
    2 Johnny Giles, Dennis Irwin 

    1 Add Dion Dublin and Danny Wallace
    
    Paul

    
    	so 1 now = 9...
    
    	2 Add Arthur Graham ?
    	  Add Brian Greenhoff
    
    	Andy.

    
    First set easy....
     
                   Dalglish & Souness
     Don't know the rest 8-)
    
     Just while we are at it her's a couple of Scottish questions.
    
     Name the five clubs who have never been relegated in Scottish
    Football?
    
     Which single player scored the most goals during the `Souness' years
    at Ibrox?
    
       Jonno
    

Eddie Gray and Billy Bremner

    Did Nobby Stiles & Bobby Charlton both manage Preston ??? after playing
    for Man Utd & England.
    
    		Brian

    
    Kendall & Harvey ?
    Stein   & McNeill
    
    5 un-relegated teams:
    Rangers,Celtic,Aberdeen,Stenhousemuir,Stranraer...
    
    Most goals v Rangers in "Souness" years:
    Terry Butcher.

    
    Kendall wasn't an international.
    
    Paul

re .281

The black players who played with United are correct the others are...

Arthur Graham
Jim Holton ( who? )
Peter Barnes
Jimmy Greenhoff
Brian Greenhoff
Jonny Giles
Andy Ritche
Gordan McQueen
Joe Jordan
Gordan Strachan
Denis Irwin
Eric Cantonna
 
                          James.

    
    Sorry,misunderstood the question.
    Don't think Stein was either.

    RE.286
    
     All correct Ian.......well done.
    
    

    
    Re:.292
    
    Do Alex McDonald and Sandy Jardine count since both co-managed Hearts?

    
    German Quiz:
    
    (1) Name the teams that have always been in the Bundesliga since it was 
    	established.
    (2) Name the 2.Bundesliga teams that have never played in their
    	country's highest league.
    (3) Name the German team that won an international cup and is now
    	playing in an amateur league.
    (4) Name the German teams that won two different european cups.
    
    Heiko

    
    German Quiz:
    
    (1) Name the teams that have always been in the Bundesliga since it was 
    	established.

    Bayern Munchen & Eintracht Frankfurt


    (3) Name the German team that won an international cup and is now
    	playing in an amateur league.

    TSV Munchen 1860

    (4) Name the German teams that won two different european cups.
    

    Bayern European Cup 74-76,ECWC 67.  Hamburg EC 83 & ECWC 77 ???,
    Borussia Dortmund ECWC 66 & UEFA 93 :-)

    re .282
    
    Davie Hay and Billy McNeil.....?

    
    > (2) ... never played highest league ...
    
    Chemnitz and Jena.
    
    Gary.

Webb and Hollins Chelsea? (Not sure if Webb got a cap)

Bob

    I previously entered this question in the MUFC note, but everyone has
    ignored it, probably 'cos they thought I was just crowing over United's 
    championship success. However, this is a serious point.
    
    Please can someone name the top scorer ( and no. of league goals scored ) 
    for each of the first division champions over the last 10 years.
    
    My assumption is that teams which win the league have a number of
    players who are scoring goals - not just one player who has an
    outstanding season. For example, how well did Spurs do in the league the 
    year Clive Allen scored 50+ goals.
    
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>    Surely, apart from having a really solid defence, one of the reasons 
>    United have won the championship is that they didn't rely on one scorer 
>    for their goals, but have spread the goals around :-
    
>    Hughes 	15
>    Giggs	 9
>    McClair	 9
>    Cantona	 9
>    Irwin	 5
>    Bruce	 5
>    Ince	 5
    
>    Others 	 8
    
>    Total 	65	( so far )
    
 

    re .306
    cantona has also scored 15 league goals, 6 for Leeds, 9 for United.

    how many Liverpool players, (ex or current), can you think of whose 
    christian name and surname begins with the same letter....I think that
    there are about a dozen

    
    Kevin Keegan
    Mike Marsh
    Ronnie Rosenthal
    
    Stuart

    
    Kevin Keegan
    Mike Marsh
    Ronnie Rosenthal
    Steve Staunton
    Gary Gillespie
    Joey Jones
    Bob Bolder
    Larry Lloyd

    first one to 10 is the winner

    
    Alan A'Court 
    
    

    
    Grobbelaar for the first quiz (double letters in players names).
    Gillespie
    Hooper
    Harkness
    
    Tim

    please help
    
     Who won the F.A. cup from 1980 - 1990
    
    
    ... Stevie

    was it Arsenal v West Ham
    

    
    
    1980  West Ham (1-0 v Arsenal)
    1981  Spurs
    1982  Spurs ???
    1983  Man Utd
    1984  Everton
    1985  Man utd
    1986  Liverpool
    1987  Coventry
    1988  Wimbledon
    1989  Liverpool
    1990  Man Utd
    1991  Spurs
    1992  Liverpool
    1993  Arsenal
    
    
    

    damn beat me to it
    
    all correct i think	spurs beat qpr in 82 final(replay)

    
	The best I can come up with (including what has gone before)

		Mike Marsh
		Ronnie Rosenthal
		Steve Staunton
		Gary Gillespie
		Bob Bolder
		Kevin Keegan
		Joey Jones
		Larry Lloyd
    
       and from a slightly earlier era,
		Alan A'Court (England International winger)
		Alf Arrowsmith (scored 5 goals in 1 league game)
		Alan Arnell (a reserve in Dave Hickson's era, in the 2nd div.
			     but played a few games in the first team)

	Can't come up with no. 12 though
     !

    
    Re -1, I heard this before and one of the answers is Tommy Tynan. 
    Apparently he didn't play for the Liverpool first team according to
    the all time expert on Liverpool strikers, Cunno.
    
    Gary.

    Tommy Tynan was a popular Tranmere player. Don't believe he was ever
    on Liverpool's books. (Does that mean I agree with TGC?)
    
    
    Dave

    
    
    There are another 21 players that played for Liverpool with this
    match....dating back from  the 19th century...
    
    So Dave...plenty to choose from ....I won't spoil the enjoyment...
    
    Cheers,
    
    Dezzz.

	Spoiler follows    Hit next Note to avoid...

      

    	Andrew Aitken 	1930/31
    	Ben Battles	1895-98
        B Bull 		1895/96
    	Charles Cotton  1903/04
    	David Davidson	1928-30
    	Douglas Dick 	1893/94
    	Gordon Gunson 	1929-33
    	Hugh Hendorson	1893-95
    	James Jackson 	1925-33
    	John Jones	1924/25
    	Kevin Kewley	1977/78
    	Matthew McQueen	1893-99
    	Malcolm McVean	1893-97
    	Peter Platt	1902-04
    	Robert Robinson 1903-12
    	Sam Shields	1949/50
    	Syd Smith	1903/04
	Sammy Smyth	1952-54
    	Samuel Speakman	1912-20
    	William Watkinson 1946-50
    	W White		1901/02
    	

    Heard in pub last weekend....
    
    Who was the first coloured player to captain Manchester United?
    
    answer posted by midday tomorrow....arguments start then

    
    Remi Moses ?
    
    
    Hass...

    Viv Anderson


      Cunno

    
    Evander Holyfield ?
    
    

    Don't be silly!!!
    
    He played for Wimbledon. ;-)
    
    Tim

    re  -last few
    
    wrong,wrong,all wrong
    
    answer posted at 12.00 gmt

    
    Paul McGrath ?
    
    Del.

    re -1
    
    correct!!!!
    
    anybody disagree??

    Is it someone whose name is a " colour"?
    
    
    Hass...

	Name the three players who have played in a Glasgow derby** match,
	a Manchester derby match and a London derby match....

			regards, Ray

**derby = game between two teams from same city

    
    	Ray Wilkins - Rangers, Man U, QPR.
    
    	M.B.
    

    Mick McCarthy
    
    		Celtic, Man City, Milwall.
    
    Trevor Francis  
    
    		Rangers, Man City, QPR.
    
            

    congrats to the last two notes....
    

	On the day that Man Utd. were relegated to the old Division 2 in
	the mid 70's, (the famous Denis Law backheel), there were 10 
	Scottish players playing for them....
	Name them....

Lou Macari
Willie Morgan
Jim McCalliog
Jim Holton
Martin Buchan
Alex Forsyth
Stewart Houston

Lou Macari
Willie Morgan
Jim McCalliog
Jim Holton
Martin Buchan
Alex Forsyth
Stewart Houston
George Graham
George Buchan

Heard a couple of good ones in the local over the weekend....

From about the mid 60's onwards, name the players who have played first-team
football for both Man Utd. and Leeds Utd.	I think there's about 14

Name 1 capped player from each of the following countries, England, Scotland,
Wales and the Republic of Ireland, whose surname ended with the letter "i"
I think there's only one from each country, but I may be wrong....
Ray

	England = Peter Bonetti ?

	Ian.

    Jordan, Strachan, Cantonna,

>>From about the mid 60's onwards, name the players who have played first-team
>>football for both Man Utd. and Leeds Utd. I think there's about 14


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             Jordan
             McQueen            
             Strachan
             Greenhoff Jimmy and Brian
             Thomas
             Barnes
             Cantona
             Giles
             Graham
             Ritchie


tony

    
    Terry Mancini        Rep. of Ire.
    
    Eddie Ned?????ki     Wales  (Goalkeeper)
    
    

    Just back from Dublin, I heard this one....
    
    Name the 4 players who played in an English league match on Saturday
    for the same club and who captained their country the following
    Wednesday....
    
    This isn't a trick question, just damned hard....I got three
    Ray....
    

    
    
    
    
     Man utd
    
     Jimmy Nicholl  NI
     Bryan Robson   ENG
     Paul  McGrath  EIRE
     Gordon Strachan SCO
    
    OR
    
    Liverpool
    
    Kenny Dalglish  SCO
    Ronnie Whelan   Eire
    Ian Rush        Wales
    Bruce Grobbelar Zimm
    
    
    

    re .349    wrong!!!!

    I'll give you a clue....It happened in the mid-70's....Ray

    
    
    re 1.
    
         Did I get any right with Manchester United ??

     Merseyside Derby game I think


Bryan Hamilton   N IR
Bruce Rioch      SCOT 
Joey Jones       WALES
Emelyn Hughes    ENGLAND


        C
        U
    C U N N O
        N
        O

    
    Manchester United : McQueen
                        Robson
                        Thomas
                        McIlroy
    
    
                               Graeme.
    

    re last few
    
    
    all wrong, ye have the wrong team altogether...
    by the way, the 4 players played on the same team....

    Bremner, Giles, Sprake and Cherry of Leeds United ?

    3 out of 4
    
    Sprake is incorrect....

    Yorath

    Of course it had to be Leeds!! ;->
    
    Rick.

    correct
    
    Yorath, Wales
    Giles, Republic of Ireland
    Cherry, England
    Bremner, Scotland

    
    Just thought if anyone can name players with Moustaches that play in
    the premier division.
    I can name a few..but I doubt if there is many..
    
    Seamen    Arsenal
    Kilcline  Swindon
    Rush      Liverpool
    
    Aron...

    penrice from QPR has some fluff under his nose, and Grobelaar has one
    as well
    
    
    Ray

    
    Oppps, that should be know.

    Are we counting Paul Ince's as a moustache ?

    
    
    Give that man a sticky bun.

    Des Walker's got one(or doesn't he count cause he's injured), so's
    Nevvie Southall.  The Villa captain got one s well but I can't
    remember his name at the moment.
    
    Yours in top lips
    
    Jim

    Roy Keane has a bit of bum fluff hanging off his top lip now. And a
    matching bit on his chin. Fine by me, just as long as he shaves it off
    before the World Cup, it's just plain embarrassing at the moment....
    
    Ray.... 

    
    Here's one for you lovers of GOOD Scottish Football....
    
    Name 21 Englishman who have played for the Champions, Glasgow Rangers,
    first team since Graeme Souness took over in 1986.
    
    CB.
    

    Starter for 8:
    
    Hateley
    Woods
    Steven
    Gordon
    Spackman
    Wilkins
    Butcher
    
    And of course Terry "Mr Skill" Hurlock
    
    A sassenach

    
 
    Woods
    Steven
    Stevens
    Butcher 
    Hurlock   
    Roberts
    Vinniecombe
    Rideout
    Gordon
    Spackman
    Wilkins
    West
    Walters 
    Hateley

    
 
    Woods
    Steven
    Stevens
    Butcher 
    Hurlock   
    Roberts
    Vinniecombe
    Rideout
    Gordon
    Spackman
    Wilkins
    West
    Walters 
    Hateley
    Francis
    Drinks
    Falco
    
    
    I have been told the last 4 but as I didn't get them I'll not cheat and
    put them in......Over to you Mr Sutherland
    
    

    1.Chris Woods		11.Gary Stevens
    2.Trevor Steven		12.Tel Butcher
    3.Tel Hurlock		13.Graham Roberts
    4.Chris Vinnicombe		14.Paul Rideout
    5.Dale Gordon		15.Neil Woods
    6.Nigel Spackman		16.Trevor Francis
    7.Ray Wilkins		17.Mark Falco
    8.Colin West		18.Nigel Howard
    9.Mark Walters		19.Kevin Drinkell
    10.Mark Hateley		20.Ian McDonald
    
    		21. Possible ???????? Levi Smith (since sold to
    						  the duffers fae 
    						  Clydeside ' Clydebank)
    
    

     Are the last three:
    
     Jimmy Phillips,Andy Goram and Stuart McColl.
    

    
    Re Last :  Ian McDonald is from Inverness is he not ?
    
               Also no mention of Mel Sterland !
    
    1. Woods
    2. Butcher.
    3. West.
    4. Phillip
    5. Wilkins
    6. Walters
    7. Falco
    8. Francis
    9.Woods (n)
    10.Hately
    11 Spacman
    12.Steven
    13.Stevens
    14.Vinicombe
    15.Gordon
    16.Hurlock
    17.Roberts
    18.Drinkle
    19.Rideout
    20.Howard
    21.STERLAND 
    
                         SQF HM..

    
    "Ian McDonald is from Inverness is he not ?"
    
    
    
    YES I am as a matter of fact. However have not played for the 'GERS.
    
    
    
    Ian Macdonald

    
    Sal,(and all others).
    
    I think the Mcdonald in question was named Kevin who was indeed a Scot
    and was brought on loan from Liverpool.
    
    Did Steven Watson play a couple of games last season? if so,then he is
    another. 

    
    Well here's the correct list(as far as I know)
      
                           
               1.Chris Woods              12.Terry Hurlock
    	       2.Colin West               13.Paul Rideout
    	       3.Terry Butcher            14.Ray Wilkins
    	       4.Neil Woods               15.Nigel Spackman
    	       5.Chris Vinnicombe         16.Mark Falco
    	       6.Gary Stevens             17.Jimmy Philips
     	       7.Graeme Roberts           18.Dale Gordon
    	       8.Trevor Steven            19.Trevor Francis
    	       9.Mark Hateley             20.Mel Sterland
              10.Mark Walters             21.Steven Watson
    	      11.Kevin Drinkell
    						
  Nigel Howard may be English,but he's not played for the first team.
  Levi Smith IS Scottish and still plays for Rangers(reserves)
    
                                                              

    Re. I deleted some entries here.
    
    Remember to use MAIL or PHONE to discuss "personal" matters.
    
    Thank you.
    
    /JF

    
    That reminds me,   thanks JF.
    
    Watty, I'll phone you about the rash.
    
    
    Gazzer.

>P.S.I got a dismal 3 as well.  It was rock hard last night.
    
    Matt, a word in your ear.
    
    Just in case it's featured in the "What Happened Next?" round next
    week, learn the following by heart:
    
    "In the ?th minute of extra time, Hurst turned on the edge of the
    penalty area and crashed a fierce right foot shot against the underside
    of the bar. The ball riocheted down, hit the ground and came out,
    leaving some doubt as to whether the ball crossed the line. The
    Swiss referee conferred with his Russian linesman for a few agonizing
    seconds and then ran towards the centre circle, indicating a goal. 
    
    England went on to beat W. Germany 4-2 to take the Jules Rimet trophy 
    and Geoff Hurst bcame the first man to score a hat-trick in a World Cup
    Final".
    
    
    There you are, that's 6(?) easy points without even trying ;-)
    
    Dom

    
    So what was the Undertones' first ?

    help a poor Irishman win a tenner....
    
    today's Daily Record asks the following question....
    
    which two current players whose surname ends in "o" have been capped
    for England?...
    
    Salako of Crystal Palace is one. Who's the other?...
    
    Ray....

Tony Dorigo

Robbo?? 

Stuo 

    Aldo - oops wrong country ..

    calling Cunno....today's Moaning Face Scottish Rag, (Daily Record), had 
    something interesting about Liverpool. Apparently they won the FA Cup in 
    86 without an `English' player playing for them....name the team, 
    (obviously this rules out all Moaning Face Scottish Rag readers)....
    
    here's a start....
    
    Brucie `Play Your Cards Right' Grobelaar
    
    Ray....

Rush....ummm......Hansen, Molby (?), er....Souness (?), McMahon, that 
Scandinavian blokey who looked like the dark one out of Bucks Fizz.

    Craig Johnston?

Nicol? 

    
    	What dark one in Bucks Fizz ? Do you mean Cheryl Baker ? Or is
    that Brotherhood of Man ?
    
    Malc.
    

    > Or is that Brotherhood of Man ?
    
    Wasn't that Bruce Forsyth's daughter?
    
    Stuart

    
    > Wasn't that Bruce Forsyth's daughter?
    
    	Are you sure she played for Liverpool in that team ? I could have
    sworn she was English actually. Now if she was Tam Forsyth's daughter...
    
    Malc.
    

    
    OK,here's my attempt;
    
    Grobelaar,Nicol,Lawrenson.Hansen,Staunton(or Beglin),
    
    Houghton, Molby, Johnston, Whelan
    
    Dalglish, Aldridge

    
    Name 5 players,who have played with Moan Utd in the last 15 years,
    whose surnames can be associated with spiders.
    
    

    
    1. Ince-y wincy spider.
    2. Bruce - as in "Robert the", he was fond of spiders.
    3. Is Schmeical danish for spider??? :-)
    
    Ian.

Alfa Romeo?

Hysen!  Hysen!  That's the bloke I was thinking of!  It was pronounced summat 
like "Hussain", by Motty.  

    
    For heavens sake Matt, get back in the Rugby conference and give us the
    results from last weekend.
    
    JBG 8-)

    1986 FA Cup Final Team
    
    Grobbelaar
    Nicol
    Hansen
    Lawrenson
    Beglin
    Johnston
    Whelan
    Molby
    McDonald ?
    Rush
    Dalglish
    
    I haven't got a clue what his first name is but he definately played.
    
    
    RE: Moan United players. If Viv Anderson died he would leave a Black
    	Widow !! :-))
    
    
    Ian.

    kevin macdonald - ended up getting sent to coventry I believe.
    
    Spackman or Gillespie as sub with Spackman wearing a hideous headband
    (or was that 1988?)
    
    regards\
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    
    
    
    		Neil Webb !!!
    
    A flash of genius !!
    
    Ian.

    
    Don`t know if this is in here,
    
    Who has played cricket for England and football for Scotland?
    
    Chic Young was asked this question in his local boozer.
    
    Davie.

    
    Davie,
         Ian Botham and Ally McCoist. ;>)

    
    Davie,
    
    	Henry Smith ????
    
     SQF Jambo #1

    
    9.421 was correct.

    
    A team,I think it was Portsmouth,won the FA cup and never scored a
    goal.......how come?

    was it no ManU and Jimmy Never scored the goal ???
    

    
    Well done.
    
    Can you name two managers who have managed two different Premiership
    Championship winning teams.
    
    Davie.
    
    

    If by Premiership you include the old 1st division, then that would be
    Cloughie and Dalglish (spit !)

    
    Kenny D. (Liverpool & Rovers)
    
    Alex F.  (Man U & Aberdeen ;-))
    
    Nev.

Daglish and Hubert Chapman ('uddersfield and Arsenal).

Chapman was also manager of Leeds for a short while I think.

    re -1
    
    Herbert Chapman was manager of the now defunct Leeds City. He was
    manager when they were expelled from the Football League for an illegal
    payments scandal. Chapman was subsequently banned for life but this was
    revoked on appeal. 
    
    A precendent that certain other Arsenal managers seem sure to follow.
    
    Stuart

Re -1

And from Leeds City came the even greater club: Leeds United.

If the FA had the b*alls now that they had then, we wouldn't have either
Swindon or Spurs gracing the football fields of England anymore.

                          James.

    
    There are three men who have managed two different Championship
    winning sides,Cloughie,Dalglish and Chapman.
    I only asked for two as I didn`t think many people would know of
    Chapman.

    Who did clough do it with....Notty Forest and ???

    derby county

    Can anyone name any players that have played for both Liverpool and
    Man Utd.
    
    p.s. I don`t have an answer to this.We thought about it and couldn`t 
         come up with any.
    

    
    Peter Beardsley 
    

    I've heard it said that he's too good looking to play for Man U... 
    
    	Rick.
    	

    
    RE Players who have played both for UTD and liverpool
    
    Tom McNulty who moved from UTD to liverpool in 1954
    
    
    yours in history
    Hass...
    
    

    
    RE Players who have played both for UTD and liverpool
    
    
    Bruce Grobelaar  ;-)

re -.1

And what makes it even more remarkable, is that it was in the same game ;-)

    here's a good one from the QPR mailing list....
    
    if it was Sunderland in 1979 and Villa in 81 who was it in 95?...
    
    Ray....

    
    Rideout.

    
    Good one.....and only 14 minutes to reply.

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I was asked this question last night, but didn't know the answer.  Maybe 
someone can help me out.

Who was the German goalkeeper in the 1966 World Cup final?

Cheers,

Jon

Tilkowski

Thanks Heribert.