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Title:Mathematics at DEC
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Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
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710.0. "Imaginary Numbers -- doing research" by CLUSTA::KELLEHER () Tue Jun 02 1987 20:45

    
    ...a lone tech writer braves the savage storms of MATH-land... 
    
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    Tell me about "i", the "square root of negative one."
    I'm doing a bit of research here, to find out:
    
    	Who "invented" this imaginary number (and how...was
    		it the end result of a thought experiment?)
    
    	What fields and disciplines depend on "i"  (Like, if
    		we didn't have "i", we wouldn't have televisions/
    		particle physics/toasters/Tony Danza/whatever...)
                    
    
    Thanks for your help,
    
    					Tom Kelleher
    
    
    	
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710.1a (very partial) answerEAGLE1::BESTR D Best, Systems architecture, I/OWed Jun 03 1987 19:2571
    
>    	Who "invented" this imaginary number (and how...was
>    		it the end result of a thought experiment?)

	Everything in mathematics is the end result of a thought
	experiment. :-)

	I'm sorry but I don't know this.  It might have been
	created as a result of the investigations into
	solving polynomial equations by people like Gauss or Galois.
	Someone else more informed about the history of math can probably
	give a good answer.
    
>    	What fields and disciplines depend on "i"  (Like, if
>    		we didn't have "i", we wouldn't have televisions/
>    		particle physics/toasters/Tony Danza/whatever...)

	Well, electrical engineering for one.  'i' is normally referred to
	by EEs as 'j' to avoid confusion with the common symbol for
	current.

	Within the disciplines of electrical engineering, 'j' is used
	extensively in linear circuit theory, electric power systems,
	communication systems, and optics.

	It's not used as directly in computer design which relies more on
	discrete mathematics and circuits operating in switching modes
	where 'j' appears infrequently.

	If we "didn't have 'j'" we PROBABLY wouldn't have electric
	power, telephones, radios, tape recorders, televisions, radar, 
	lasers, CAT scanners, or CDs (among many other things).
	I say probably because people are ingenious and there is
	frequently more than one way to invent something.  Also we
	use many things that we don't understand very well.

	We MIGHT still have computers but likely not powered by electricity
	if such is practically possible.

	Mechanical and civil engineers also use 'j'.

	Civil engineering:
		Vibrations and modes of structures (bridge building)

	An aside: of course, people built bridges before the mathematics
	of 'j' was invented, but they fell down more often or in one
	well known case (Tacoma Narrows) resonated to pieces.  To avoid
	having this happen, bridge builders often used much more material
	than they had to.  This is what you do when you don't fully
	understand the 	systems you're designing: overkill 
	(unless you're NASA) :-}.

	Mechanical engineering
		Rotating machinery (gyroscopes, pumps, compressors)
		Machine dynamics (the suspension in cars)

	Physics
		Classical and quantum mechanics
		Electromagnetism (wave propagation, optics)
		Acoustics	(waves again)
		Heat transfer (pops up in temperature distribution
		 solutions)

	Just about any discipline that involves modelling things
	with differential equations will have a 'j' pop out
	somewhere at some time.

	I'm not aware of any uses in chemical engineering, but
	I don't know much about chemical engineering.

	These are just some examples; there are many others.
710.2Read Assimov for "What if" questionsTAV02::NITSANDuvdevani, DEC IsraelThu Jun 04 1987 06:584
If we didn't have "i" then a day would become 26 hours.

(this is a direct result of:
 A day didn't become 26 hours => we have "i")
710.3all in favor say 'i' all opposed say 'j'KIRK::KOLKERThu Jun 04 1987 19:5513
    You might want to look a some books by E.T.Bell.
    One of the is entitled "Men of Mathematics" and the other
    I have in mind is "Mathematics, Queen and Servant of the Sciences".
    Both these books deal with the history of mathematics and
    mathematicians.
    
    My guess about who invented 'i' is one of the early Italian
    algebraists, perhaps Cardano or Tartaglio.  It was certainly know
    by the time Rene Descartes invented co ordinate geometry.
    
    An interesting follow on question is when did Complex Analysis start
    as a separate and discernable discipline?
    
710.4iPRANCR::ROBERTSDwayne RobertsFri Jun 05 1987 04:0833
    According to "A History of Mathematics" (Carl Boyer, author; Wiley
    & Sons, publishers):
    
    "Cardan referred to these square roots of negative numbers as
    'sophistic' and concluded that his result in this case was 'as subtile
    as it is useless.'  ...  It is to Cardan's credit that at least
    he paid some attention to this puzzling situation.
    
    ...
    
    "It remained for Girard in 1629, in Invention nouvelle en l'algebre,
    to state clearly the relations between roots and coefficients, for
    he allowed for negative and imaginary roots...  Girard retained
    imaginary roots of equations because they show the general principles
    in the formation of an equation from its roots.
    
    ...
    
    "Among relatively minor contributions by Leibniz were his comments
    on complex numbers, at a time when they were almost forgotten...  The
    ambivalent status of complex numbers is well illustrated by the
    remark of Leibniz, who was also a prominent theologian, that imaginary
    numbers are a sort of amphibian, halfway between existence and
    nonexistence, resembling in this respect the Holy Ghost in Christian
    theology.
    
    ...
    
    "In fact, although Euler used i for (-1)^1/2 in a manuscript dated
    1777, this was published only in 1794.  It was the adoption of the
    symbol by Gauss in his classic Disquisitiones Arithmeticae of 1801
    that resulted in its secure place in mathematical notations."
    
710.5May not be historical, but abstraction does itCHET::GRIERTickled MauveMon Sep 07 1987 17:5117
    
    Well, I don't know much about their history, but I know that you
    can pretty much derive the properties of "imaginary" numbers by
    applying abstract group/ring/integral domain/field theory by working
    with the roots of a polynomial generated about a field, such as
    the reals.
    
    You end up being able to factor any polynomial whose coefficients
    are members of a field, by creating an extension field, ending up
    with new cofficients like '2 lambda', where lambda is an element
    in the extension of the field.
    
    I don't know how far back abstract algebra goes, but it gives some
    solidity to the concepts of imaginaries.
    
    					-mjg