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Conference quokka::non_custodial_parents

Title:Welcome to the Non-Custodial Parents Conference
Notice:Please read 1.* before writing anything
Moderator:MIASYS::HETRICK
Created:Sun Feb 25 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:420
Total number of notes:4370

303.0. "How to proceed?" by --UnknownUser-- () Tue Mar 29 1994 15:27

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303.1my $0.02CSC32::HADDOCKDon't Tell My Achy-Breaky BackTue Mar 29 1994 16:2323
    
    What you are seeing could be just the children's reaction to the 
    divorce.  In spite of all the kidding of ourselves that divorce
    "will be better for the children", children are profoundly affected
    by divorce itself and the breaking up of the family and the uncertainty
    of their future that divorce brings.  If possible, you may want to
    get some professional counseling for them.

    Otherwise, in my untrained opinion, there are logical explanations
    for everything you've described.  Otherwise, as many times before,
    your biggest weapon is to DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT.  Try to 
    establish a pattern.  Mental abuse/development may well be figured 
    into custody cases.  Keep an eye out for any signs of physical
    abuse and report it to authorities 	IMMEDIATELY.  For your own
    protection as well as theirs.  

    There are two schools of thought about letting THEEX know that you
    are watching and documenting.  One says that you don't let them know
    and hope you can nail them.  The other says that you let them know
    and hope that the knowledge that you are watching will make them 
    temper their actions.

    fred()
303.2Seek some professional help KAHALA::JOHNSON_LLeslie Ann JohnsonTue Mar 29 1994 18:066
I haven't had any experience with this type of thing, but the contents of
the base note would have me very concerned.  I'd talk to someone who has
some experience in the legal, family counseling professions, and/or possibly
the medical profession.

Leslie
303.3AIMHI::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaTue Mar 29 1994 18:5614
    From what it sounds like I would, if you could on the sly, get Jill to
    see a doctor. Either the physical type or the srink type... Esp the
    bleeding part scares me. I would take her for a total exame. I would 
    suspect the worst and pray for the best in this case. Sometimes child
    molesting is done by other members of the family, esp step parents and
    relitives. I would also go with the documenting, including just
    stetting up a cam-corder in the house, leave it on all the time, after
    a while the kids are going to play like they would even if it was not
    on. And record this event. Then show it to a srink or to a child
    welfare person. Do it will extreem caution and care. 
    
    Good Luck and if the base noter wishs to write to me off line. Please
    do. I have met a number of NCP dads who have this very problem as you
    are reading this note.
303.4A good therapist is essential... NHASAD::MARCEAUWed Mar 30 1994 14:3044
Hi, 

I read your note about "Jill" the young girl who was acting strange towards 
her father.  Based on what I read, you may have reason to be concerned.  
I would advise taking the child to the doctor or someone to be checked out.  
The my second part of advice is please be careful NOT to go to a doctor or 
shrink with an agenda, particularly one that believes most people in their 
lives have been abused.   If she has been harmed, she has probably been through 
a lot already, the therapy should not make it worse.  Abuse does happen, but 
there are some therapists that seem to find abuse when there is not any.  

It is strange that I am writing this note, since I recently had a case 
dismissed for a FALSE accusation of abuse.  I do not care to discuss the 
details in this conference, but my daughter was going to a therepist with an 
agenda, who never got off the topic off abuse.  Some of these accusations were 
alleged to happen in my parents home when they were in my company during the 
ENTIRE visit.  This person is responsible for a severed relationship between 
me and my daughters that I must begin to rebuild over time.  (BTW, there was 
an angry wife involved in this case as well.) 

In short, the actions that are causing Jill to feel unfortable should stop,
even if they do not fit the legal term of abuse, she should not ever feel 
unfortable.  Any therapy should be focusing on healing, it should not be a 
"witch hunt" for additional accusations.  All initial conversions should be 
very general, the less leading the better.  If the child provides essential 
information from non-leading questions, it will hurt the defense of the 
accused.  The interviews should also be taped as well.  The steps taken during 
the initial part of the investigation are the most crucial. 

Please do not interpret every strange behavior as one one of being abused.
There are no unique symptoms of abuse, which can make it difficult to prove.
Symptoms of abuse, are also symptoms of divorce, stress, etc.  The bleeding on 
the other hand would concern me.  

Just remember, a child involved in a false accusation is NO better off 
mentallly than a child that has really been abused.  

Good Luck, and please contact me if you need information.  I have a lot of 
knowledge of the subject and may be help you or others in this situation.

Paul 


    
303.5CSC32::HADDOCKDon't Tell My Achy-Breaky BackWed Mar 30 1994 16:3916
    
    re .4

    Hoooo Boy!  And people in some of the other notes files wonder why
    I get so bent about the "abuse" business.  Don't get me wrong.  I
    think sexual abuse of a child is just about the worst thing that
    someone could do.  If I caught someone who was sexually abusing any
    of my children, you may be reading about me in the papers (note: I
    said _may_ and I am not advocating that solution) but right up there 
    with it, IMNSHO(in my not so humble opinion), is false accusation.  As 
    you said, false accusation can hurt the child nearly as much as the 
    abuse.

    Thanks Paul. Good Note.

    fred();
303.7AIMHI::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaThu Mar 31 1994 10:432
    Sounds like I would start to document allot more that other wise noted.
    Esp the Saturday night live stuff.
303.8QUOKKA::3737::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaWed May 04 1994 14:491
    .0 How are things going? Hope Jill is doing well.