Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    i hate shavin too 

    .0
    
    Yeah, Mikie, this woman likes the unshaven look, but full beards
    are better. Unfortunately, Don Johnson couldn't grow a beard if
    he wanted to.
    
    Bahama Mama

    
    Sometimes the razor stubble can be scratchy.  (For example, if you
    are kissing someone, it can cause irritation to HER face.)
    
    

     Who's Don Johnson?
     
     --Mr Topaz

    Yo, Mr. Tojam, 
    
    Don Johnson is the dude with the $50k car and the expensive
    Italian suits who plays on Miami Vice.
    
    Bahama Mama

    I shave every other day. Usually. My beard does not grow enough
    in one day to make it worth while. Even my wife doesn't usually
    notice unless I go a third day. Well, she notices, but doesn't
    complain. On week ends I don't shave at all. I used to shave
    everyday with an electric razor but a straight edge cuts so much
    closer I can do it less often.
    
    		Alfred

    I've never tried growing a beard, and have no intention of doing
    so.  I've always used an electric razor - at first a Norelco I
    got when I was 14, then I replaced it with a Remington 8 years later.
    I liked the shave of the Remington, but after they kept
    self-destructing every two years (at $50 a pop), I recently switched
    back to Norelco.  The Norelco requires more effort to get an
    acceptable shave, but I found that a pre-shave helps a lot.
    					Steve

    I shaved from the ages of 12 to 16. At which point I stopped. Haven't
    regretted it since. I do trim my beard occasionally of course.

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    I don't mind beards if they suit the person wearing them..  I don't
    like 5 o'clock shadows if the guy is usually clean shaven but just
    decides to be lazy that day..  sorry but that is untidy looking.
    
    Course I like a nice baby face the most of all..  sad really that
    a guy has to face a razer every morning though, but I should think
    well worth it if it keeps the lady in his life happy!
    
    later, gailann
    

    Here's a question for you all.  How many men shave/don't_shave because
    of the woman (or hope of) in their life?  
    
    When I met my wife I had a beard, and she loved it even though it
    would tickle her face a bit (it's actually not a very good one either,
    no accounting for taste I guess ;-).  I once shaved it off without
    giving her advance notice and HOO BOY, she didn't like it.  So,
    now I keep it, and I don't mind at all even though I do have to
    shave part of my neck and cheeks (my Norelco is going on 14 years)
    and trim it just about every day.
    
    By the way, although she would like to get one of those really short,
    fashionable haircuts, she doesn't because she knows that I really
    LOVE long hair.  
    
    Another "by the way", I'll come out of the closet and say I'm one
    of those men that doesn't mind if a lady doesn't shave, in fact
    not shaving can be kind of sexy.  Now if I could only convince my
    wife :-) !
    
    -- Craig
    
    
    

    
    	RE:Mr. Topaz
    
    	Who's Don Johnson? I believe it's MartyJ's bro.
    
    	RE:Nancy
    
    	I though you didn't like beards? 
    	I've got the worst of both worlds...I have a breard and have
    to shve around it to keep it neet. 
    	
    	The things some dudes will go thru...
    
    	Todd

        I trim my beard every couple of weeks, mostly when the ends
        of the mustache hairs start creeping into my mouth when I
        eat...
        
        My beard never grew all that fast, but ever since it started
        coming in, I've basically lived by the philosophy of letting
        it grow until it gets annoying or grotesque (it came in rather
        patchy at first), and then shaving.
        
        Sometime in college I decided the mustache grew well enough to
        keep it, and then a few years later I kept the beard, too.  I've
        never even considered shaving since then... which is probably
        just as well since my wife has threatened repeatedly that she'd
        divorce me if I ever did (that's a joke... I think). She's never
        seen me without a beard, aside from old pictures (wherein she
        thinks I look "funny"). Besides, I haven't the faintest idea of
        where my razor's gotten to in all those years...  :-) 
        
        Basically, there are two reasons why I don't shave...
        
        	1. I like my beard
        	2. I'm lazy
        
        	/dave
                                                             

    
    	RE:-1
    
    	Meet me over in SOAPBOX:: note 204. for my reply.
    
    Todd

    RE: .7
    
    	The white Testarossa is upwards of 150K...
    
    							mike

    In the climate up here in Canada, a beard comes in handy to get
    through the horrible winter.
    
    I am not in that boat however. Being very fair and blond, I did
    not start shaving until I was nineteen. (And my dad gave me a razor
    when I was sixteen...silly fool). Even now, I can skip shaving every
    few days and no one notices. The funny thing is, the hair on my
    head is thick thick thick and curly curly curly...no shortage there
    at all. (The hair on every other part of my body is normal, in case
    you were wondering). I've come to the conclusion that I am lucky,
    not to have to worry about this at 7:00 a.m. in the morning as I
    rush out the door to work.
    
    |/
    * Doug
    |\

    Pause. LEF.
    Kerry is going to write a serious note. >:->
    
    I started shaving when I was 12 years old. I went all the way thru
    High School with the bumminest rash on my face. I tried every possible
    method available to myself to stop the rash, to no availe.
    Outside of high school there is no rule to be clean shaven.
    I'd be interested to hear of similar stories as to why you elected
    to grow a beard......honest I ain't lazy.
    

    I have a beard, and I still shave every day (well, almost - weekends
    don't count, unless I have a date).  I've had the beard since I
    was eighteen, but have shaved it off twice since.  I find that it
    is better for me to wear a beard, even though I think that shaving
    the entire face is easier than 'carefully, carefully' around the
    beard, but for me I like my beard, I think I'll keep it.
    
    Jeff

    My husband has a full beard - which he grew over ten years ago.
    He cut it off once and I couldn't even look at him for a couple
    of days, I was so used to the way he looked with the beard.
    
    re Kerry's remarks about rash. My 17 year old son gets a rash
    every time he shaves (about once avery two weeks). He can't wait
    until he gets enough facial hair so he can grow a decent beard
    Right now when he lets it grow it just looks awful.
    
   Bonnie

    Re: 13
    
    Todd, 
    I realize that a Colorado winter can be harsh on your face, but
    suppose you met a woman that you went crazy over, and she asked
    you to shave, what would you do?????
    
    Enquiring minds want to know.

re .17:

>    	The white Testarossa is upwards of 150K...

...except it's not a Testarossa.  It's really a Corvette with a kit body.

-Mike

    re .24:
    
    I believe you're mistaken.  The previous Ferrari was fake.  The
    new one is the real McCoy.
    
    - M 

    I have just deleted .15. It was my smarta** entry, and I truly sorry
    I entered it.  Please forgive me, I had had a hard day , and I forgot
    which note I was in (I thought it was SOAPBOX, for some stupid reason).
    Again I am really sorry, and my apologies go out to .13, because
    I put him down, and didn't mean anything by it, sorry Todd!
    
    Now for a for real answer:
    
    I hate the feel on my clothes against my legs or underarms if I
    don't shave, but hate the razor burn too.  It's a matter of which
    is worse!
    
    My husband has a full beard that I keep trimmed for him, hence I
    can cut it as short as I like, or leave it as long as I like.  He
    also has a problem with rashes when he has to shave, so hasn't for
    years )except one time I begged him to shave his beard off so that
    I could see what he looked like without it, and then asked him to
    grow it back by the next day cuz it didn't look like him any more).
    He likes not having to shave, and I like having the facial hair
    ti run my fingers through!
    
    Mary-Lynn

    
    	RE:.23
    
    	Sure Nancy, but she'd really have to like me without it, and
    she'd have to be killer herself for me to do it. How much do you
    make a year? |^)
    
    Todd
    
    PS. RE.26
    	
    	Hey M-L
    
    	Don't sweat it.

	I tried a moustache when I was a college freshman (who
	didn't:-), but it was so light no one noticed it was there
	(sorta like Larry Bird's). That didn't last long... Then in
	the summer after my senior year I got a small part in a play
	called "Will the Real Jesus Christ Please Stand Up?" (J.C. #4)
	and had to grow a beard. Much to my surprise, it came out
	reasonably thick and with a reddish tinge (not foreshadowed by
	my hair color). The general opinion (of everyone except my
	mother) was that it was a definite improvement, so I kept it.
	It helped get me the lead role in "Deathtrap" later, although
	I'm not quite sure if it's helped my love life any...
	
	Mike

Okay, here's one woman's opionion:


I love beards on men.  I will tolerate hairless faces, if the face can't
seem to grow a good beard OR if the face is sick of wearing a beard.
My husband is positively GORGEOUS in a beard.  It's thick and red and
he keeps it lovely and trim, and shaves under his neck frequently.

BUT beard stubble gives me gooseflesh!!!  I was Daddy's only little girl
and he would go the weekend without shaving, and on Sunday mornings
when I would sleepily stumble downstairs to have breakfast with him,
he'd scoop me up in his arms and rub that stubble into my neck and it
would make me giggle with unabashed delight!!!  He often reduced me to
a limp lump of de-energized giggles...

One of my older brothers tried the same thing once and I was told I
clocked him with a doll!! Poor guy!!!

And, in the words of Berke Breathed, "bare chests leave me clammy!"

Karen

I don't like the Don Johnson look.  My favorite razor is a new one.  And, 
yes, I shave in the shower too.

I like neat beards and I like clean shaven faces.  If I was a man I might 
opt for a beard, especially if shaving meant maneuvering around too many 
imperfections on the skin's surface, slicing through heavy growth or 
suffering with a stinging rash.  But what's the concern with having a 
"good" beard?  An ex-infatuant of mine never shaved his upper lip and 
there's not much more than "peach-fuzz" growing on it.  It was (and is)
an endearing physical feature.  One friend used to joke about having a 
"see-through" beard but he was very handsome with it.  Why is it so 
necessary for beards to be thick, even, or the same color as the hair on 
the other end of the head, etc., for them to be considered pleasing to 
the eye?

I don't particularly enjoy shaving my legs or underarms, but both can be 
done relatively quickly in the shower since my legs aren't too hairy and 
the underarm area is so small.  I might let my leg hair grow if I didn't 
think it looked so silly squashed beneath nylon stockings, which I 
sometimes (albeit rarely) wear.

A bristly face makes a great back-scratcher.

CQ

    
    Geez, did I marry the wrong woman? :-)  I am one who grows hair real
    quick, like a full beard in a week.  I also have one of those "jewish"
    beards (thanks to my grandfather), real tight curls and very ruff.
    My wife finally convinced me to shave.  I still have an upper lip
    but the full beard is gone....after I shaved the vote was to leave
    it off....
    
    

I agree, what a waste of time, and sometimes it does feel as if I'm keeping 
Gillette going single-handedly. I still do it every week-day though and 
sometimes Saturdays. Being of the "swarthy" persuasion, if I don't shave in
winter I look like an example from a mental institution on the run for a few
days, and in summer I look like one of Yasser's boys.

What I really hate though is women who have better moustaches than Lech 
Walesa!! Yeccchhh!!

Tarik.

    Re: .32
    
    I have to agree.. I used to "HATE" beards..., but I too dated a
    man with a beard, and grew to love it... it was neat, and close
    to the face, and now I love them....
    
    Gale

I haven't shaved in over three years, and it's great.  It would be
greater if the hair would come in a little thicker and fuller, but that's
the way it is.  I used to shave every once in awhile (2 or 3 days) because
I'd peel all the skin off otherwise.  It looked scruffy, and I was told that
it was very irritating.

Growing a beard is one of the few things that a man can do to change his
appearance. There's so little variation in men's dress when you compare it
to the choices that women have. That's. especially true for more formal
occasions -- I see people at meetings here and you can't tell the men apart
for all the grey suits.

There were some comments here about women shaving.  What's the difference
whether or not a woman has hair on her legs or arms?  Why does it have to be
removed?  That's actually one of the reasons why I stopped shaving: I was
discussing women having to shave with someone and realized that it was just
as arbitrary for me to "have to" shave as for a woman to.  


Speaking of facial hair: The hair on top of my head and in my beard is
curly, but my moustache is basically straight hairs. I don't think that I've
ever seen a man with a really curly moustache. Has anyone else? Does anyone
know what that is? (My guess is that with curly hairs, some would wind up
curling into your nose, and drive you crazy. Evolution has obviously
selected against it!)

Gee, Sadat, thanks for the brief insight into your REAL personality.

I'm sure that women with moustaches hate you, too.  And if they don't,
they should.

You hate parapalegics and Down-Syndrome children, too?

Bugsy

Eagles, I'm not asking for an apology from Tarik or from you.  None wanted,
none needed!  And I'm it's not being raised as a feminist issue....

Why does he "hate" someone based on personal appearance?  And if he means
that he wants women to shave their faces, why didn't he say so?

If he's interested in equalities for inconveniences, let's get into
the topics of bleaching or waxing, which saves us from having to shave...

But.... I'm disappointed that you jumped in and intercepted me, instead if
letting Tarik handle it himself....

Is Tarik not capable of responding himself?  Is the moderating of this
notesefile going to be at the same level of MEN.NOTES?

Bugsy

    
    	Well Mr. Eagle, methinks you hit a very raw nerve on this one.
    	Maybe Ms Taber likes the fur on her upper lip.
    
    	Ah oh, I better get the h*ll out of her with that comment.
    
    	Would a |^) help any, Bugsy?
    
    	Todd

Naw..... no sweat....

The fur keeps me warm and makes for nice fudge marks when I drink
hot cocoa.  And besides which, I'm the only one who knows its there...

I apologize if I got out of line...

I'll stay quiet for awhile.

Bugsy

    
    	Relax..have fun here....ya just gotta take the bad with the
    good.
    
    	A good mustache can drive a SO wild on the neck. 
    
    	Desclaimer: Works better on women. |^)
    
    	Todd

    RE: .38
    
>     Is the moderating of this
> notesefile going to be at the same level of MEN.NOTES?

	No it's not. BTW, you do know that the THOMPSON who signs
    his notes Eagle or Steven Dana is *NOT* the same THOMPSON who
    signs his notes Alfred? Only one of us is a moderator in this
    conference.
    
    			Alfred

Bugsy,

>I'm sure that women with moustaches hate you, too.  And if they don't,
>they should.

I'm sure they do!! Along with all the others no doubt...

Alright, I'll come clean. Perhaps "hate" is a little strong, so let me rephrase
that:
I find it unattractive when I see a white-ish woman who has dark hair over her
top lip. Whilst I am perfectly aware that that is hardly her 'fault', I still
find it unattractive. That's all. 

Tarik.

Re: .-1

>I find it unattractive when I see a white-ish woman who has dark hair over her
>top lip.


No doubt cos they remind me of myself, arf arf:-)

Tarik.

Here Bugsy, you're not *really* Lesley McGuire in disguise are you?

Not me.  "I am what I am and that's all what I am...."  to quote a
favorite source.

If having this file means that participants are going to abandon
some basic rules of society, then I think I shall indeed make tracks.

To put it bluntly, yes, I have a 'stache, but I bleach it out because
I find it as equally unattractive as Tarik does (and I only referred
to you as Sadat because all I could remember was your famous last name!
Sorry :*) ).

While it didn't 'offend' me that you hate me, it did hurt.  So I hated 
you back, however briefly....

And it felt like you were hating me for something that I really had no
control over, and therefore, called you on it.  I'm not ashamed of my
'stache', tho' I do dislike having it.  I mean, if I was gonna get
masculine traits, I would rather have been 6 feet tall and legs up
to my shoulders, or something POSITIVE!

Now, why is Eagles insisting on turning this into a feminist issue??
I don't recall any of the women saying they hated men who were
unclean?  I recall them saying that they need not apply...

And that's apples and oranges -- personal hygiene is a choice, moustaches
are not.  We've got what we're born with....

And if you REALLY dislike moustaches on women, then you ought to take a
look at the poor souls who were silly enough to try and shave those
moustaches!

Lighten up, Steve_Dana_Eagles_whatever....

I think you're digging for something that isn't there.  Hurting my feelings
is NOT the same as offending my feminisms.  Note that I was the first one
to respond to the request for looney feminist quotes... I don't wear my
feminism like a badge, and I don't want you to try to force that on me.

Bugsy

RE: .-1

>I find it as equally unattractive as Tarik does 

That's agreed then, no problem. Also I don't hate you, and never have! As I
said it was an inaccurate poor choice of word, that's all!

Tarik.

I have since verified that you are, as you say, *not* Lesley, and we have
settled out of court. 

RE: .-1

>I have since verified that you are, as you say, *not* Lesley, and we have
>settled out of court. 

O.k. Sadat, we may have settled this issue 'out of court' but to reiterate
as you know, my girlfriend likes my moustache - not that I'm butch !

Yeah, but there was no need to cover me in toilet paper!! She did, you know,
folks!

Anyway, what does Declan have to say about that?

Tarik

    
    I think beards are sexy!!!
    

    	I grew my beard in '68, when the price of razors went up
    .02 a gross. Haven't seen my face since, nor do I plan on it.

    I met my wife in college shortly before we joined the Air Force.
    I was clean shaven then and for the next 10 years.  I have a heavy
    beard and was once ordered to shave twice a day.  I agreed, but
    never did.  I shaved since I was 14 and could (can) grow a beard
    in about a week or 2, its been awhile.  After I got out of the A.F.,
    I decided that I was sick and tired of shaving every day and I was
    sick of being told that I had to shave.  So I grew a beard.  Part
    of the liberation to do whatever I wanted.  When I started at DEC,
    I was clean shaven to make a good impression and also because I
    didn't know what to expect in the civilian world.  In my first job,
    the other guys I worked with had beards, so I grew one.  I've had
    it ever since and there aren't many people left here who remember
    me without it.  My wife loves it.  She spent 13 years with me being
    clean shaven, and 3 with a beard.  She prefers the beard.  She says
    it makes me look rugged, like Grizzly Adams and Merlin Olson, although
    I'm not built like a bear.  I shave my neck about every 3 days,
    when it starts catching in my collar and pulling.  I don't trim
    it enough to suit her, though.  I use an Atra safety razor with
    Gillette Foamy Coconut (smells good).  I never had much luck with
    an electric razor.  I shave just before getting into the shower
    when I don't have a t-shirt on to get shaving cream on and I don't
    have to rinse my neck when I'm done.  I'm lazy, save a few steps.
    The beard helps a lot in the winter.  Skiing yesterday, my wife
    complained that her chin was cold, my chin was fine.  My beard was
    full of snow and got a lot of stares and giggles, but my chin was
    warm.  I threaten to shave, just for shock effect, and my wife reminds
    me of how much it itched growing in.  That's the miserable part.
    I do hate finding beard hairs on my plate, though.  And it tickles
    her nose.  She starts laughing in the middle of a passionate kiss.
    Bummer.  Or she tries to scratch her nose and I start laughing.
    We don't do that much anymore.  Instead, we replace it with about
    8 or 9 little kisses.  Kiss, kiss, scratch, kiss, giggle, kiss...
    But, she still likes it.
    
    Spence

    Guess I'm lucky, kind of a light colored beard.  While I do have
    a beard, I still have to shave my neck everyday.  The neck hairs
    seem to come out at a very shallow angle.  If I don't shave, I get
    a lot of in-grown hairs.
    
    I always shave at the sink, Gilette Foamy for lather.  I used to
    use a brush and mug.  Can't remember why I stopped, so I guess I'll
    try it again.  Nothing like a HOT lather for a smooth shave.  Oh,
    now I remember.  My brush finally died.  Natural bristles are great,
    but hard to find.  Synthetic's just don't hold the water and soap.
    Seems like you just get it from the mug and the darn thing starts
    dripping.  I liked the lather hot and wet, and only natural bristles
    gave me that.  
    
    Lee

    I once knew this guy who claimed he hammered 'em in
    and chewed 'em off on the inside.
    
    J

    I heard of a guy who used "Neet", and apparently did so much damage
    to the follicles that when he later tried to grow a beard he was
    no longer able.  The source was the son of this guy's physician;
    I don't know how reliable or accurate it is.
    
    FWIW,
    Sandy

There are depilatories for men that go by names like "shaveen" etc.  They make
womens' preparations such as Nair look like the balm of Gilead!  These
"bladeless" shaving aids are quite potent, thick, messy, and smell like merry
blue hell.  Literally!  Once I tried one of these and it stunk up the whole
house afterward.  I was in the process of moving at the time, and wouldn't you
know it, the movers showed up an hour early!  When I opened the door, you
should have seen the sour expressions on their faces!  My first words to them
were, "No, I did not fart." 

John M.

    If your face is as sensitive as my legs are, I would not recommend
    waxing (hot or cold) without a good anaesthetic.  One RRIPPP, and
    I reached for the booze.  Second RRIPP and I finished the bottle.
    
    Neat doesn't do much on thick hair, it smells bad, and can really
    irritate the skin.
    
    There's _reasons_ some of us prefer hairy legs...
    
    Lee

    I think men with close to the face beards look mighty sexy, but
    I won't date them.  After kissing a man with a beard my face gets
    lots of little bumps over it, my lips are chapped beyond belief,
    and the romantic mood has been ruined due to my constant sneezing.
    Mustaches only cause the sneezing when they haven't been trimmed
    really close.
    
    re .48, Women with mustaches

    I was never concerned with my mustache, it seemed no more than the
    normal peach fuzz a woman has.  Then I went in for a free make over
    at a beauty salon and the woman said 'You should do something about
    your mustache.'  Boy was I paranoid after that, until I realized
    that the comment was intended to do that and have me fork over the
    mucho bucks to get it removed.
    
    re .56, Ways to remove hair
    
    Electrolosis is supposed to zap the hair follicles so they wither
    and die, but since it takes 5 or more visits to do a woman's mustache,
    imagine how long it would take for your face!!  Too timely, too
    expensive.
    

    RE: .61
    
    WHAT?!  Does this mean we can never go on a date?
    
    
    
    John M.

    re .62
    
    Well, I can see you are understandably upset about it...
    
    Sharon
    

    
    re: .61
    
    Ahhh, that explains it.
    
    DFW
    (blasting from Sharon's past)

    If any one knows of an electric shaver that doesn't hurt and gives
    u a half way descent shave pleaseeeeeeee let me know.... (I don't
    care how expensive, I even don't mind wet shaving with electric
    shavers).  Thanx.........

    re .65
    
    Take a look at OCTAVE::GADGETS. There's a note in their about electric
    shavers. Basically, any of the 'micro-screen' shavers will give
    you a close shave, without hurting, especially if you use a
    'pre-shave'. Without the pre-shave lotion, they won't work as well
    and will definitely HURT.
    
    Bob Mc
    

    
    	The problem with the pre-shave lotions is that most of them
    	smell like old gym socks. Somehow Mennen (ugh!) or worse even,
    	'Lectric shave! (oh God NO!!!) and Halston Z-14 just DON'T mix!!
    
    						mike

    Many lines of men's fragrances include an electric pre-shave.
    I know that Aramis does, and it seems to work better than 'Lectric
    Shave!  However, I've also found it best to wash my face after shaving
    and before applying after-shave, because the pre-shave leaves my
    face too oily.
    				Steve

    re .67 & .68
    
    It finally dawned on me that using pre-electric shave and then applying
    after shave or cologne was foolish. I really don't know why you
    can't get an unscented preshave, but since you can't, why bother
    with the rest? Sometimes you have difficulty obtaining a preshave
    lotion in the same brand and scent, and then you wind up washing
    your face again. So I just stopped using after shave. Saves money
    and cuts down on the bathroom clutter 8-).
    
    Bob Mc
    Of course, if you have the same feeling as Steve, you're outtaluck.
    

    
    
    	I grew a beard.. Now I only have to shave in one place..
    	(under my jaw line.. I DON'T shave "THERE"! Much to
    	Jenna's dissapointment.. :-))
    
    	I use the aftershave to smell good.
    
    							mike

re: < Note 17.70 by AXEL::FOLEY "This is my impressed look" >
 
>>    	(under my jaw line.. I DON'T shave "THERE"! Much to
>>    	Jenna's dissapointment.. :-))
    
Say what, Mikie? Now what did I ever say about "THERE"?

Jenna Pooh (who loves a fluffy beard)

    
    	:-)
    
    	Don't you remember that time we...Naaaa.. Not in here...
    
    
    						mike

    
    	Re. 72:
    
    	Please, *do*  go on.  This is getting interesting....  :-)
    
    
    				-Rich
    

    Yeah, the "things" you learn in notesfiles.....
    
    :-)

re: < Note 17.72 by AXEL::FOLEY "This is my impressed look" >
    
>>    	Don't you remember that time we...Naaaa.. Not in here...
    
Oooohhhhh...It's all coming back to me now (I think) but we shouldn't
be telling people that...;-)

Jenna Pooh  

>>> Oooohhhhh...It's all coming back to me now (I think) but we shouldn't
>>> be telling people that...;-)

        So, Mike  and  Jenna - how's about coming along to the party on
        the 30th and  *demonstrating*  rather  than  telling  in notes,
        hmmm???
        
        _A.

    
    	I'll be there!!
    
    	Jen, let's leave your baboos outta this.. :-) :-)
    
    	Better Red than Dead though..
    
    						mike

        Looking forward  to  seeing you again Mike - it's been a while!
        :^) It's been  even  longer  since  I  last saw Jenna, about 21
        months if my memory  serves  me well - what about it J.  Pooh -
        drag him along by the beard and do some baboo-dancing!!
        
        Andy.
        

    
    	RE: .81
    
    	I think you'll be surprised when you see me.. I look a little
    	different than last time.. :-)
    
    						mike

        RE .82,
        
        You mean  the  sex-change  operation's  been done and you don't
        have to wear the dresses any more?? :*)
        
        Andy.

                    Where is one when we really need them?

    re: .84
    
    We're around, poking our heads in from time to time ...
    
    In reviewing this note, *EVERY* posting from .71 forward is 'off
    the point'.  Most of the postings are conversational in nature,
    between only a few individuals.
    
    If you want to get in a conversation, use MAIL; it's great for that.
    Or perhaps try the telephone.  Clearly, however, some MENNOTES readers
    don't appreciate it in the NOTES file.
    
    Kindly return to the point of the basenote.
    
    	-- Jeff (Co-moderator of MENNOTES)

        Re .84, .85,
        
        Point taken  -  delete  the  relevant  notes  if  you  feel  so
        inclined.
        
        Personal  comment -  notes  was  more  fun  when  the  'rolling
        cocktail party' atmosphere prevailed, ratholes were enjoyed and
        explored  happily  by  all concerned  -  there  were  very  few
        sour-faced  hypercritical  complainers  around and many  people
        made many lasting friendships beginning with the interchange of
        humour  in notes.  Now it seems too  confrontational,  with  no
        latitude for humour..ah well!
        
        Ps - delete this one too if it doesn't self-destruct first.

    
    
    	I hate shaving.  
    
    						mike

    
    I like to shave but look better in a trimmed beard.
    So, I just do the jawline and the 'stache.
    
    Anyone figure out a way to do nosehairs? I've been
    using a cigarette lighter but that really smarts.
    
    I'm a hairy kinda guy...

Lockjaw pliers and a hearty yank.  (It still hurts, but your complexion
recovers much faster than from the cigarette lighter.)

/Dave

    
    
    	A Weedeater works for me..
    
    						mike

   >  < Note 17.89 by RANCHO::HOLT "Don't see any points on those ears.." >
    
  >  Anyone figure out a way to do nosehairs? I've been
  >  using a cigarette lighter but that really smarts.
    
  >  I'm a hairy kinda guy...
        
        Yeah, me  too  -  problem,  isn't  it?  I find that a Black and
        Decker with a  5/16th"  bit  on  the slow speed just sorts them
        right out, but use a depth gauge for safety!
        
        But what about the bikini line??
        
        Andy.
        

    RE .92 If she's checking you out for nose-hairs you probably shouldn't
    be wearing bikini pants. And if you look good in bikini pants she
    won't be looking at your nose. :-)

        Re .93,
        
        Hmmm -  I  mentioned  that to her, and she told me I had a good
        point there....I wonder......
        
        :*)

    For every man that hates shaving yet does, there is a woman who
    is thankful. 

    RE .95 So, where is she ?   :-)/2

    Some of us *prefer* beards to stubble and bloody faces...
    
    Elizabeth

	I grew a beard the second I got to college, and kept it off and on
	until this year. Now that I'm in SWS (Banking Unit), I don't have
	much of a choice - bankers, by and large, are clean-shaven.

	My pet peeves:

	My Norelco sucks - I get a 5 o'clock shadow by noon (will try
	 a Remington as suggested in previous replies)

	Some areas, unless you burn the suckers off, are never close enough
	 (bottom of jawline, especially by ear, and on chin, and on Adam's
	  apple)

	I hate new blades - my neck looks like Dresden (after the bombing).

	The only blades/disposables I can deal with are Personna and Atra Plus.

Eric

    
    I agree with what Dick Clark said in his book...
    
    "They don't make an electric razor that can compete with a blade."
    
     
    -Dwight

    
    when my SO needs a shave, I'll start singing, "Needles and Pinsaaa..."
    ...he takes it with a smile.
    
    t.

    Has anyone else out there tried a food old-fashioned straight razor?
    I started using one in 1974 cause I was living on a boat & water
    was at a premium.  With the straight razor I could simply wipe the
    whiskers off on a towel.  True, they cost a bit (most of mine were
    in the $50.- $60. range, but you only lay that out once, and own
    something that'll be with you a lifetime.  True, sharpening & honeing
    them can be a drag, but if you have a few of them, you just do them
    all at once & don't have to bother again for several months (you
    strop them in between, of course).  BTW, I've never cut myself with
    one, either.
    						jpb

    My brother inherited several high-quality straight razors from
    our grandfather, who was a barber.  He's never used anything
    else since then.
    
    --bonnie

    Re .103:
    
    "By the blade that sheared my grandfather's beard..."
    
    Yeah, that does have a nice ring to it!
    
    -b

    
    Aren't they dangerous to use the morning after...?
    Sheesh, a false move and you'll have an extra smile...
                                                      

    I wouldent trust myself with one even if it wasent a "morning after"
    any morning with one of those holds certain disaster for me.
    
    -j

    	Does anyone know of an experienced barber who would give lessons??
    I have a few razors (quality unknown) and I'd be willing to buy
    a quality strap for honing if I could learn to use the blade correctly.
    When I was in the service in Nam, the guys who shaved us used a
    straight razor and it was truly the closet shaves I ever had. (skin
    wise that is)
    
    Ken

    re: .107 
    
    What you want to do is wander around your home town looking for an
    elderly man in a little hole-in-the-wall barbershop, probably in a
    blue-collar part of town.  When you find one that has a strop
    hanging from the back of each chair, you've found your man. 
    
    I'd volunteer my grandfather, who was as good as they come,
    but he's been dead for years . . .
    
    --bonnie 

    I'll admit that they're kind of intimidating, but, as I mentioned
    in [.102], I've never cut myself with one, even on the 'morning
    after'.  I think the secret is paying attention to what you're doing
    & not letting your mind wander - kinda like the difference between
    driving a car and riding a motorcycle: The car (and safety razor)
    are much more  forgiving, the others require 100% & you just get
    one chance.

    
    Well, I shaved off my beard last Saturday. 
    
    Used a pair of office shears, and a throwaway
    gillette Good News. 
    
    Face feels like hamburger, but the concensus is
    that it was an improvement.
    
    Its going to mean getting up early every day to shave,
    as I grow steel wool under my chin.

    
    	Gee, Mr. Holt,
    
    	I wish I had known you wanted to shave your beard off; I would
    have paid all expenses and sent my good pal Sweeney Todd out to
    do the job...
    	
        				Dave
    	

    
    Heh heh, heh.
    
    Amusing... not original, but ok...

    But I liked your beard Bob....
    I am soooooo sad.

    darn...too bad you beard is gone
    
    i like beards...or at least mustaches cause it's
    less abrasive on my sensitive skin :*)
    
    with no beard you will now have to shave in the morning
    
    	and before your dates...
    
    

    How does one go about shaving off a beard (a real beard?)
    
    J.
    


               Agent Orange and a "Weed Whacker".

                             Greg

    scissors first, then the razor
    
    Bonnie

    To get rid of a "real" beard:
    
    Do it yourself method:
    (1) Use scissors to cut it as short as possible. 
    (2) Use a skin sensitive shaving cream and lather up heavily
    (3) Use a single blade disposable razor and carefully shave it away
    
    Optional:
    Go to a barbershop and have him/her cut it off with scissors and
    electric neck trimmer (also known as the ear or side burn trimmer.
    That should get you close enough to use a razor.
    
    I recommend using a Gillette Good News Plus with the Lubri-Strip
    and a sensitive skin lather.
    
    BTW - Do you remember what you used to look like? Be prepared for
    a shock if the beard has been there awhile. I had one for two years
    and it took me a long time to get used to my "new" face.
    
    Ken

        I found  the  easiest  way  was  to  use  one  of those battery
        operated/rechargeable beard trimmers  (Wahl  or Norelco, ~$20),
        and  simply  trim  the    beard  away  with  the  trimmer  held
        perpendicular to the beard.   Once  the  beard is really short,
        shampoo the stubble a couple of  times with the water as hot as
        you  can take, leave the face wet  and  lather  up  thoroughly,
        shave as normal.  This way doesn't leave  you feeling as if you
        used Greg's method! :^)
        
        Of course, _real_ men just hammer the whiskers back in and bite
        them off on the inside.....
        
        &y.
        

    
    I used my DEC issue office shears and the things are as dull
    as can be...
    
    Real men use Ivory Soap and a thrice-used Good News... 
    
    The hack marks heal after about a week, but the novelty of a 
    smooth face lasts for about 3...

    To beard or not to beard, that is the question.
    
    RE: -1  You did it at the wrong time of the year!
    
    I grow a beard every fall and shave every spring.  The reason I
    started doing this is because I used to work outside.  The beard
    kept me toasty in the winter and was hotter than the halls of hell
    in the summer.  I do it now out of habit and because it's nice to
    have a change of scenery when you look in the mirror.  I also like
    the idea of having something that most other people don't.  I guess
    it's the rebelliousness (my wife says it's my ornaryness) coming
    out.:')
    
    RE: To shave your beard at someone elses request.  This is against
    the beard wearers code of ethics.:')
    
    Shaving is a pain in the (|), but for half a year it isn't too bad.
    (Even though you have to trim your neck & cheeks all year)
    
    Grins
    
    Mike :'{)}
    

    The time of year never makes any difference with me.  I usually grow a
    beard when I get tired of shaving, and shave it off when I get tired of
    having a beard.  I am now on my second beard since April, and I will
    probably shave it off soon.  I always leave the mustache, however.  I
    have experimented with full beards, goatees, mustaches that climb down
    the sides of my mouth, and even the Frank Zappa look (a mustache with a
    little bit of beard under the mount--Kevin Klein has one in A Fish
    Called Wanda).  I look at changing my facial hair as a means of
    self-expression, sort of like changing my clothes. 
    
    I agree with an earlier reply that mentioned using an electronic
    beard trimmer as the first phase of shaving off a beard.  They also
    make trimming your beard very easy and quick.  Of course, if one
    has a beard because he is too lazy to shave in the first place (which
    is the case with me), then spending a lot of time trimming the beard
    defeats the purpose.

    RE:-1  The little beard under the mouth is called a soul patch.

    Thank you.  I always wondered what those were called.
    
    -- Mike

    re .128, .129
    
    Maybe I should try a soul patch.
    
    -->:) John<--

    I will NEVER never never never never ever ever ever.... 
    shave my beard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    I grew it during the blizzard of '78 (that's 1978... not 1878) so
    it has historical value.  Someday scientists will be carbon dating
    it and know that it was grown during the great blizzard!
    
    rng
    

    Re .127- 
    
    Freudian alert!  Freudian alert!
    
     >>   little bit of beard under the mount--
    
    What have you been doing with your 'mouth', Mike?
    
    DougO

    I've had mine since 1968, and would never even think of shaving
    it off. Besides, blades cost to much.....
    
    	Red
    
    	P.S I do get it trimmed about twice a year.

    RE .133
    
    Just twice a year?  Doesn't it get a bit bushy after waiting for
    that long?
    
    -->:) John<--
    

    RE. 134
    
    
    	" Dosen't it get a bit bushy " ?
    
    
    	Yep it sure does. I f I had it my way, I'd quit trimming it
    too, and let it grow donw to my knees. I know when it's time to
    trim, when I'm riding down the rode, with my window open, and it
    blows my beard into my eyes.
    
    
    	Red

    I have a lot of people with full beards, except that the upper lip
    is clean shaven. Is there any special significance in this style?
    
    I ask this question because shaving the moustache is the trickiest
    part in shaving (at least it was for me, before I grew a beard) and
    in religious programs on TV, bearded men seem to favour this style.

    I grew a beard because without a beard I look a lot like Merlin
    Olson does without a beard.  That's why be both wear beards.
    I usually grow mine in the fall and shave it off in the spring,
    but I keep the mustache year round.  My wife also likes the
    change.
    fred();

    
    
    I think that you should try what my live-in boyfriend and I do...
    
    Since I find it such a pain to shave my legs and he hates to shave
    his face, I shave his face for him and he shaves my legs for me..
    not only is it helping each other out.. it's fun, and usually leads
    to a lot more fun!!
    
    

    
    Anyone else out there try an electric and then go back to the blade?
    
    I got an electric razor for Christmas, and the little booklet said
    give your skin a chance to adjust to the electric razor.
    
    Well, after a month of ripping the hell out of my neck, I've gone
    back to the good old double-edged razor and shaving soap.  I just
    couldn't get the "close as a blade" shave out of an electric razor
    without chewing up my face.  And what a number it would do on my
    neck.  After using the electric, my neck would look like someone
    had tried to strangle me, or I had spent the night in bed with a
    vacuum cleaner.  The electric wouldn't chew up my cheeks, chin or
    upper lip, but it also wouldn't give me the close shave I wanted.
    
    So.... this morning, I said the hell with this, and went back to
    my double-edge.  And you know what?  I got a smooth, clean shave
    and my face feels good, and my neck doesn't look like hickey haven.
    
    Anyone else out there go back to the blade after trying an electric?
    Should I have continued to try and get my neck to 'adapt' to the
    electric?  Doesn't seem worth it to me....
    
    Gene
    

    Depends on the type of electric you use.  When shaving with a blade
    my neck looked like "hickey haven".  This Christmas I, too, received
    an electric, a fairly expensize foil system (as opposed to a rotary).
    It not only shaves as close as my blades did, but also does not
    cause the myriad little nicks all over my face, nor the extreme
    reddening of my neck.  (I'll have to admit, my old rotary shaver
    did produce most of the problems mentioned in the last note.)
    

After trying two different electric razors, I still think that shaving 
cream and a regular razor is the best.  If you like electric, try one of 
those vibra-shaves.  They seem to work good.

John

    I agree with .141, I too had that problem with hickey haven because
    of the rotary type electric.  I suggest you try a Braun (foil type).
    It gives a very close shave and does NOT scar you face....
    

    tried electric... lots of problems... burned skin, un-close shaves,
    lots of expense.
    
    tried hot lather... felt nice... clumsy to use... messy... gave
    it up.
    
    tried brush and soap.  loved it.  used it for 20+ years.  
    
    now i have a full beard.  to hell with shaving.  she loves it!
    
    tony

    C'mon Tony, if she loves it, why are you out noting after 11PM on
    Valentine's Day?
    
    [my luck, he's probably GIA and on different holidays, right?]
    
    DougO

    I *LOVE* beards!!!!  To me, they are incredibly sexy!!! (Its the
    only thing about my ex-hubby that I miss...he had a great beard)
    
    Becky  oo
           \/

>    I *LOVE* beards!!!!  To me, they are incredibly sexy!!! (Its the
>    only thing about my ex-hubby that I miss...he had a great beard)
    
So do I.  I like close-cropped ones the best, the ones where the 
mustache is a little bit bushier than the beard.  Hot stuff!

						--Ger

    Us bearded people thank the last 2 replies..
    
    
    Steve_who_Just_Shaved_and_is_growing_it_BACK....

    I gave up shaving when I started playing guitar in bars.  The way
    my hands used to shake in the morning, there was no way I was going
    anywhere near my face with anything sharper than a bar of soap.
    The way I figure it, it used to take me about 7 minutes to shave
    every morning.  When I quit, I started staying in bed that extra
    7 minutes, and, over the years, I'm about six weeks ahead on sleep.  
    
                                                (0,-)

    re .148 
    
    Hmm? Growing a beard does not eliminate shaving. My SO
    has a nice full beard *and* shaves everyday, there is still plenty
    of face space that the beard doesn't belong. 

    Gail

    having a beard wouldn't be a bad option ... if it would grow in
    reasonably (it seems that i ma unable to develop a beard that doesn't
    look wimpy and un-f).
    
    -- henry
    --------
    

Re: -- henry
-.1 --------



->    having a beard wouldn't be a bad option ... if it would grow in
->    reasonably (it seems that i ma unable to develop a beard that doesn't
->    look wimpy and un-f).
    
   		How well said, how well said.  I have one of those
		beards that needs to be shaved every day, but is
		spotty and would look very uneven if I grew it out.

--> :) John <-- 

17.151 by TROPPO::HENRY >>> look wimpy and un-f).

"un-f"?  Eh?

	Has anyone tried the Gillette Sensor razor?

--> :) John <--

    I have (what can I say, I'm a sucker for new technology).  I like it
    a lot.  Although this is compared to a BIC disposable that normally
    gets used for months at a time...

    I bought the Sensor and love it. I have a tough beard and very
    sensitive (excema and psorriasis) skin. The sensor doesn't leave
    me with "red face" even if I go over an area 10 times.
    
    Ken

    re.157
    
    I'm not sure if you're serious....
    
    I get a closer shave than I have with anything else I've tried.
    The blades last longer and stay sharper longer IMO. My wife or daughter
    used it on their legs (neither will admit it, but I don't shave
    in the tub ....dropsy fear 8^) )and the blade wasn't severely affected.
    
    My preference prior to this was "Good News w/o pivot head".
    
    Ken

    The Gillette Sensor won the editorial endorsement of the Boston Globe!
    See today's paper.
    
    Karen

>    The Gillette Sensor won the editorial endorsement of the Boston Globe!
>    See today's paper.
    
     I guess when you run out of things to write about... :-)
    
     The Doctah

The Gillette Sensor was also referenced in a recent article in
Business Week, where some VERY intelligent remark (I'm being
sarcastic) was made by a 'companion' of someone in Product
Marketing here in DEC.

Given I know them all, it was easy to spot.  Anyway, the article
was commenting on its success and how this has caught Gillette
off guard without enough replacement cartridges.

Seems they've struck gold with it.

    In the first place, my beard (if you care to call it that) is light and
    worse, it is sparse.  When it is allowed to grow it looks like I have
    mange of the face (mange is a condition dogs and some other animals get
    which results in patchy hair loss).  I am light complected and my skin
    objects to shaving all the time, any way I care to try it.  Blades cut
    and irritate, electrics burn and chafe.  Next Monday I am going for a
    consult to an electrologist.  If it works out for me, I will post a
    note eventually to tell how much it cost in $$ & time and whether or
    not I think it was worthwhile.  
    
    My reasoning is that I can either have the pain & expense up front or
    forever, and I don't plan on checking out for a VERY long time.
    
    jimc