Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    Of course, my dad used to say that life with my mum made every day
    a lifetime long, but he was joking.....I think :-)

    
                                                    
    
    
    	I think it's because men tend to burn the candle at both
    	ends more often, especially at younger ages. 
    
    
    	C.
    
    
    

    
    	A guy can only take being "bitched at all the time" for so long.

    	Jake

     Men do everything more quckly and efficiently.  So they get done in 40
     years what it takes a woman 70 years to even begin to do.  Anything
     that a man does past 40 is just a bonus. 
     
     re .4:
     
     Wrong.  Men take hotter showers than women (because we're tougher),
     but our body hair protects the skin.  Of course, it's true that we
     don't use the stuff that women use, Oil of OyVay.  I dunno if that
     crap protects your skin, but it certainly gunks up the shower. 
     
     Respectfully,
     
     --Mr Topaz 

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
    
    thanks Suzanne!

    To inject some additional information --- this topic seems to be
    taking a dive off the deep end, but what the heck --- marriage plays
    a role in longevity as well.  In order of decreasing lifespan:
    
    		married woman
    		married man
    		single woman
    		single man
    
    I don't have the hard numbers at my fingertips. But I read this in some
    reputable magazine/newspaper article a short time ago. 

    Any additional data about whether parenthood affects the figures?

    Re. 6:
    
    >>Wrong.  Men take hotter showers than women (because we're tougher),
    
                            Really now..
    
    Wrongggg.  Men take hotter showers because they're (you) are not
    as well informed as us women.  We know that taking hot showers
    cause the blood to rush to the face, creating capillaries and
    broken veins to appears ALL OVER YOUR FACE, making you a likely
    candidate for the next Stephen King movie.
    
    Jeanne
    

RE: .9

 Oh! Oh!!

 What happens when you've been married three times (glutton for punishment) 
 and now single again.  Wonder what that does to the ol' stats..........do I 
 die quicker or live three times as  long??

/hh

    Being serious for a moment - I recall reading that if you remove
    war as a cause of early death for males, the average lifespans come
    a lot closer.  But I also agree that now that women are more heavily
    into the bad habits that kill off men (smoking, stress, etc.) that
    things will balance out.  In some countries, men have slightly longer
    lifespans.
    
    As for marriage - recent studies show that unmarried males have
    a significantly shorter lifespan than do married males, but the
    same is NOT true for women.  (According to "Adelaide's Lament",
    all single women get is the flu.)
    
    					Steve

    RE: .6
    
    	No,no,no... We take hot showers cuz we have been doing Manly
    	things like watching football while the oldest son is mowing
    	the lawn. My Dad used to break out in a hell of a sweat! Taking
    	a hot shower also helps the skin age in a manly way. After all,
    	we don't get wrinkles.. We get character lines.. :-) (I feel
    	womankind looking down on me now saying "You'll be celibate
    	for the rest of your life")
    
    	Oh yes, another thing.. Men can still father a child at age
    	70. Women just last longer cuz they say "Children make you younger"
    	and it's USUALLY the Mom taking care of the kids... Afterall,
    	wouldn't want to miss the Pats game, now would we?
    
    							mike

    
    
    	We have the Pats for a football team.. That's reason enough to
    	sweat! :-) :-) :-)
    
    	No football widows in Colorado?? (and no mowed lawns?)
    
    	PSF's....
    
    							mike

    RE:12
    
    No statistics to base my opinions,,,,,,,but I think that perhaps
    you are sentenced to longevity,,, to try and try, and try,
    untill you have got IT right, furthermore to climb-up 5 flights
    of stairs, will benefit a excellent physical condition.
    
    enjoy trying
    Thea
    

    There's a time and place for serious discussion, and there's a time and
    place for flippant discussion.  But it's tough to find a time or place
    for both types of comments within a notes topic; sometimes both within
    a single note. 
    
    I'd be very interested in continuing a discussion of the effects
    of marriage, divorce, parenthood, and sex upon lifespan.  If we
    can keep things serious.

    All seriousness aside:
    
    The Broncoloes have been sold out since whenever because Bronco's
    fans are somewhat "west" of the Rockies anyway.
    
    I fully expect the life spans of men and women to even out any day now
    anyway.
    
      Mikie? 

    I've have heard insurance companies claim that the major cause of
    the difference in lifespan is smoking. period. As more women are
    smoking, their average age is being reduced, and as more men quit
    smoking, their age is being increased. The insurance companies have
    been trying to eliminate the difference in premiums based on sex,
    and base them on smoking.
    If anybody knows statistics, its insurance companies.
                                                   
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    I'm sure that looking after our kids whilst I'm sedentary at work
    keeps Wendy much more fit than I am.
    
    So she'll be fit enough to live longer than me.
    
    She only *feels* dead by the time we get the kids to bed! :-)

    Response 24 has been set hidden pending resolution of a complaint
    we have recieved.  
    
    Your understanding is appreciated.
    
    - M

    On the humorous side, I've heard it explained that women live
    longer because they are not married to women.
    
    		Alfred

     >re .6
    
     >Men do everything more quckly and efficiently.  So they get done in 40
     >years what it takes a woman 70 years to even begin to do.  Anything
     >that a man does past 40 is just a bonus. 

     Quickly and efficiently is no fun in bed. :-) Liesl

    
              Just goes to show that quickness .ne. efficiency.

    RE: 
    .27     Right-on Mr. Thompson !!
    
    ;-)
    
    <CIA>
    
    

    re .27
    So how long is the average life expectancy of lesbians?  Let's get
    all the facts here before making subjective judgements :-)
    
    Seriously, more men I know have lousy diets than women I know. 
    Every fifth or sixth guy I meet has vegetable-phobia and more men
    I know have an obsession for fatty red meats than do women I know.
    Diet *does* have something to do with how long you live (if you
    listen to the so-called experts).
    
    	-Ellen

    I think that single men have shorter lifespans because of
    their ill-defined position in society - look at apes...
    Some male apes woo and mate e.g. form families and become
    socially acceptable. Unattched ones are threats to all
    and so are chased away from the main tribe where they 
    exist on the fringes of ape society. Nature apparently
    regulates ape populations (at least partially) by shutting
    out the extra males so that the settled family units can
    enjoy a more stable social environment. The stress of being
    excess to the tribe is absorbed by the single males. In 
    human society, war used to serve this function. Now the stresses
    are internalized and show up as health and phsycological problems.
    Females remain acceptable as singles in human (and ape) society
    because they are percieved as non-threatening to the family unit.
    
    That help?
    

    Hmmm...well as I remember from ..was it Wild Nature, or maybe it
    was Wooly America ? No, there are no apes here (are there?) , anyway
    I seem to recall that the single female apes always formed
    the working class, if you will, of the tribe. I know more
    about any topic more than I know about single female apes,
    but it seems to me that the tribes have a matriarch who kind
    of rules the family territory and chases off stray single male
    apes (she got a mean swipe!) and a Big Boss ape who mates with
    as many of the single female apes as she can while covering his
    flanks against the foolish young single apes who might be tempted
    to muscle in on his preserve. Usually the young bloods get chased
    down the river to lick their wounds far from home. As for agnostics,
    I don't know. There are two out here (Woodside, Ca) who communicate
    so maybe someone will ask them how they feel about God. As for how
    a single female ape might respond, I haven't a clue.

{RE .33} - I would say it depends on how "traditional" the relationship is.
 That is, whether or not there's some kind of dominant/submissive arrangement.
  Same goes for gay men, as well.

One thing we don't usually see in these statistics is the power relationship.
 These statistics (including the stuff in Reply #9) are dominated by hetero-
  sexual relationships in which the male holds the power.  Shifting the power
   or distributing it more fairly changes the picture a lot.
    <_Jym_>

P.S.:  I don't know the statistics for diets, but I know I eat a lot better
 than my (female) S.O.

    I'm curious what 'SO' is, but afraid to ask.  It'll probably come
    out as I weed my way through the notes.  So far, I've assumed that
    it is 'sexual object', but I'm probably wrong.
    
    Basing my thoughts on the past, rather than the present, boys were
    brought up to be more competitive than girls.  Boys faught, played
    competitive games (football, etc.), and never to let another boy
    out do them.  Girls played with dolls, were 'feminine' and didn't
    play competitive games but were taught to be more of a housewife.
    When they became teenagers, and got cars, the boys were competitive
    behind the wheel, had to be faster and meaner than all of the other
    cars.  Girls viewed a car as transportation.  I tried and tried
    to get my girlfriend to drag race with me and she wouldn't do it.
    I just had to prove that my '50 Mercury was faster than her '58
    Chevy.  She sold her car in mint condition, I totally mine on a
    tree in a snow storm, screwing around.  I broke my nose and spent
    the night in the hospital.  That's why boys/men under age 25, pay 
    more insurance than girls/women do.  When my wife and I are driving
    different vehicles, I leave her behind because she does the speed
    limit and I can't stand to have someone pass me.  And we are both
    34 years old.  I still feel the competitiveness that was taught
    to me.  Its not as bad now, but its still there.  In a snow storm,
    I have to get out and conquer the snow to prove that I can, she
    would rather sit at home and watch it snow.  Men are taught to take
    risks to prove that they can, and its dangerous.  I'm lucky I never
    killed myself, I tried often enough.
    
    I think that single men have a shorter life span than the others
    because they are trying to impress the women, and they have a more
    strenuous lifestyle.  Married men have a mate and don't have to
    try to impress all of the other women.  I had many more 'instances'
    when I was single than I have since I've been married.  I was single
    for 20 years and married for 14.
    
    Spence

    Re .38:
    
    Spence, SO refers to 'Significant Other'...another one of those
    clicky DEC terms (^;
    
    William j.

        .39: "SO" isn't specific to DEC... it's in very wide general
        use, and has been for quite a while.
        
        .38: "Sexual Object", huh?  Very interesting... never heard
        that one before.  If one person thought of that, others probably
        will, as well.  One more reason to avoid use of "SO", which
        I was never all that crazy about to begin with!  :-)
        
        	/dave

    Going to revert to POSSLQ then?

    Interesting.  I wrote .38 yesterday.  This morning, I got a letter
    explaining that SO means 'significant other'.  This afternoon, I
    found a discussion about it in 31.54, titled (no relation, I'm sure)
    			"What's that around your neck"
    
    The title refers to ties.
    Apparently, 31.55, which is missing, contained something about its
    possibly meaning 'sex object', so its not an uncommon mistake. 
    Perhaps it should be defined in note 1.
    
    My apologies to those of you who use the term.
    
    Spence

Notes> set moderator
Notes> set conference/notice="SO = Significant Other"

    
    But our lives are so exciting...
    
    Becha didn't didn't know that, huh?

    If marraige, divorce or sex placed a part in the life span, all
    Popes would die before they were 40.
    

	The King Ramses II lived to be over 90; his wife around 30.
	Ramses had his own concubine set up when he was a teen.
	He also fathered some 100 children.
	In the modern world men are discouraged from such activity.
	Just wonderering what effects these have :-).

    
    Ramses didn't have to work his ass off everyday to make his
    living; he didn't go around wondering why he couldn't get a
    date or why he attracted only a certain kind of woman;
    He didn't have to fight Theban commute traffic for an hour 
    to get his chariot to the palace; He didn't have the IRS
    breathing down his neck, and he didn't have women telling
    him that it was all mens fault...

     Re: -1
    
     You got that right, Mr. Holt, and furthermore he stayed all charged
    up after the major ass-kicking he gave the Hittites at Kadesh!