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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

298.0. "Why Didn't She Talk?" by PHAROS::WILSON (Virgo) Fri Oct 28 1988 11:10

    What a puzzling situation. I'm sure that other men and women have
    gone through this as well, and I'm looking for some feedback. 
    
    Last night I had a blind date (arranged by a third party). This
    was not my first blind date. Actually, before last night I had no
    objections whatsoever to meeting someone this way. 
    
    Before we met, I called her (last Saturday). We talked for about
    45 minutes about our jobs, our background, this and that, and we
    each gave a brief description of ourselves. So far, no problem.
    
    Well, when we met last night I could not believe how _quiet_ this
    woman got. I mean, there were times when we just sat there, staring
    at our drinks. I tried to keep the conversation going, but it was
    fruitless. She did not, for a single time, initiate a turn of the
    conversation! 
    
    After about 20 minutes I sat there thinking: "Ok, so even if you
    aren't thrilled about meeting me (for whatever reason), you could
    _at least_ make this 45 minutes BEARABLE. What happened to your
    brain, you potato-head? You can't elaborate on why you're voting
    for Mike Dukakis? You can't talk to me about your job? Can you talk
    about anything? Why do I have to draw everything out of you? Didn't
    you know that when we meet we're going to have to at least make
    the best of this awkward social situation?" 
    
    Yes, I was angry. What an absolute waste of 45 minutes. 
    
    Finally, she looked at her watch and said, "Well, I have some errands
    to run, I have to go." Hallelulah. 
    
    The clincher was, on the way to our cars she said, "It was nice
    meeting you!" I just looked at her with a puzzled expression and
    got into my car and drove off. 
    
    
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298.1Could easily be shynessANT::BUSHEELiving on Blues PowerFri Oct 28 1988 12:5323
    
    	Could be she wanted to talk, but is a very shy person. For
    	myself, I can talk for hours over the phone. Now, take that
    	same person I just talked to on the phone and let me meet
    	them and almost without a doubt I'll freeze up and be unable
    	to talk anything over yes and no. I can't figure it out, all
    	I know is that I can't think of a single thing to say. Sometimes
    	I can get over it after an hour or so, other times i've had
    	to meet the person several times before I can. I've had way
    	too many blind dates that ended much the same. A few have
    	called me back to blast me and ask why if I was having such
    	a terrible time didn't I say so. A few have after hearing why
    	taken the chance to meet again. Those that did have made
    	comments about the way I was percieved the first time as
    	to the way they saw the real me after I get past my shyness.
   
    	Give her the benifit of the doubt, instead of reaching maybe
    	a false assumption why not call her. You can ask her if you
    	might have done something to make her feel uncomfortable.
    	What have you got to loose? Nothing, but you might gain a
    	good friend that once you get to know will enjoy her company.
    
    	G_B
298.3BOSHOG::STRIFEbut for.....i wouldn't be me.Fri Oct 28 1988 21:5016
    My first thought was also that SHE was shy - the phon is  great
    buffer.  If so, the angrier you got, the more difficult it may
    hav been for her to open up.  Not that I think you were rude
    or yelled at her but I'm sure she could feel the tension.
    
    On the other hand, he may have decided that she didn't want to be
    THERE and was unable or unwilling to make the best of the situation.
    My take is that a lot of people go into blind dates with expectations
    that "this is going to be THE ONE" instead of just figuring that
    "this might be a nice person who's company I might enjoy and maybe
    something will come of it in the future".  When the expectations
    are  purely to meet mr/ms right then people don't seem to be
    willing/able to just enjoy the 'date'.  Too bad, they lose.  I've
    made some good friends on blind dates that didn't turn out to be
    romances.                                               
    Polly
298.4Point blank questionHOTJOB::GROUNDSCAUTION: Yuppies in roadFri Oct 28 1988 22:161
    I would have just asked her why she was so quiet.
298.5Confucius say...QUARK::LIONELAd AstraSat Oct 29 1988 00:316
    Re: .4
    
    Never ask a question unless you're sure you want to hear the
    answer...
    
    				Steve
298.6CSC32::WOLBACHSat Oct 29 1988 03:4911
    
    
    And the adendum:
    
    Never lay in bed at night asking yourself questions for which
    you have no answer.
    
    
                                 Deb
    
    
298.7RANCHO::HOLTCorrupt Xref line!!!Sat Oct 29 1988 17:284
    
    At least she didn't snicker at you when you met...
    
    Ever have that happen? Really builds up the ego...
298.8PHAROS::WILSONWalking around in squares...Mon Oct 31 1988 10:5523
    RE: .3
    
    I didn't get angry until I got in my car. During our 45 minute or
    so encounter, I carried the conversational ball, you see. And pretended
    that there was no tension.  
    
    If she felt any tension, it was a tension created by her inability
    to make the best of the situation. 
    
    By the way, about 20 minutes into our meeting, I mentioned that
    she seemed a bit shy, but there's no reason to be because it's only
    a first meeting. "It's no big deal." And no, I didn't go into the
    meeting with any expectations.
    
    
    
    I think she needs to sharpen her social skills. 
    
    "Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you,
    From doing all the things in life you want to." 
    
    						-- Morrissey
    
298.9askCSC32::DELKERMon Oct 31 1988 16:488
    re: .5
    
    You may not *want* to hear the answer, but sometimes you
    *should* anyway.
    
    You don't know if you don't ask...
    
    Paula
298.10A blind date is not worth fretting about!CIMNET::LUISIMon Oct 31 1988 17:1318
    
    Its just that.  Everyone....  Everyone.... has expectations of some
    sort or another.  In this particular situation the author had an
    expectation that his blind date would be something less than a quiet
    mouse.  He had 45 minutes of something over the phone that led him
    to believe that this blind date was worth the risk.  
    
    For whatever the reason.  It fell apart upon meeting.  Whether she
    was shy or not is irrelevent since something wasn't working and
    it effected .0.  I have had similar situations.  Its just a matter
    of deciding to continue the agony or not.  It probably lasted 45
    minutes only because .0 carryed on so long.  Imagine if both of
    them stared into thier drink.  I sure would not have ordered another
    round.  It would have been sianara!  
    
    And there is nothing gained or lost.  That's what its all about.
    
    Bill
298.11whatsamatter, cat got your tongue?COMET::BERRYHowie Mandel in a previous life.Tue Nov 01 1988 03:021
    
298.12where was she from???COMET::BERRYHowie Mandel in a previous life.Tue Nov 01 1988 03:047
    
    
               Maybe her tongue didn't come through customs???
    
                                    Dwight
    
    
298.13a mature women's opinionIND::LIEBERMANNY Financial DistrictFri Nov 04 1988 16:2216
Maybe the girl was shy.... that's her problem, or maybe she did not find
you to be quite up to her expectations, but she could have handled this
better.... or maybe she has emotional problems.... what kind?..
She may be the type of person who expects you to do the entertaining... for
you to burn all your energy keeping her amused and interested... or
the type of person who NEVER really wants to go beyond a surface type
relationship of talking about their job, and safe things, not issues,
that you may disagree with.
I say, don't waste your time, unless you really want to. people who expect
you to entertain them by keeping the conversation going, or keeping them
amused are people that have never learned to give even a small portion
of themselves, they burn your energy, and honestly try to make you feel
that you've done something wrong because they're having a lousy time.
Until they learn to seize the moment for what it's worth, (This comes
with maturity), they will lose out on the best part of life, 
sharing thoughts with another human being.
298.14Watch out for the quiet ones!AIMHI::TRAHANAnother day in Paradise....Sat Nov 05 1988 12:5216
    
    This note hits home for me, so I'll share my experiences.  The first
    time I went on a blind date, I doubled with my best friend and her
    boyfriend had brought along his best friend.  We didn't speak hardly
    the whole night!!!  Our friends carried the entire conversation.
    Thank god they were there, or it would have been a real sleeper.
    We went out a few more times doubling and then this guy finally
    got the nerve to ask me on a date.   Just the two of us, so, to
    make a long story short......this wonderful quiet man is now my
    husband of 11 years.  We may have started out slow, but you can't
    shut either one of us up now!!
    
    marcia