Conference oass::racers

      Funny that you should mention the Vintage races at The Glen, I just
    happen to have to have the flyer from that on my desk. I will be there
    along with the Western New York MG Car Club. This is one of the big
    events for us and since I have elected chairman of the club, I get more
    and more involved in these events. Last year we were the sponsors for
    the Collier Cup Race. That, along with the GT40 reunion, was one of the
    best weekends our club had. We got to meet and talk to the likes of
    Miles Collier Jr. and Gus Ermin (winner of the first Collier Cup).
     
      We will be have quite a number of our cars in the car show that they
    put on in the paddock so stop in and look me up. I will have a 1967 MGB
    GT with a front "British" plate 1967 GT.
    
    	Al Wagner
    

    Chris,
    Please try to get to see the ELVA that belongs to Tom Ellsworth.
    It's a neat little car that I got to know up close and personal.
    It's the one that spent a lot of time in the Fantasy Factory. I
    findly got to drive it out in the dec parking lot...what a gas.
    I suppose it would be more fun buzzing around Lime Rock.
    
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

        CHRIS
    
    
        MY WIFE AND I ARE GOING TO LIME ROCK ON LABOR DAY FOR THE VINTAGE
    WEEKEND.  WHICH CORNER WILL YOU BE WORKING, I STOP BY AND SAY HI!
    
    MARK
    

    re: 793.2
    
    What kind of Elva.  The fellow I'm dating just put one together for
    SCCA EP - too far out to be considered legal for SVRA however.  Only
    thing original on it now are the taillights and body (with alot of
    fixing up fiberglass-wise admittedly!).  It's a Courier Mk II.  We
    haven't "raced" it yet -- just done lots of test days at New Hampshire
    International Speedway up in Loudon.  Couple of things need to be
    sorted out -- brakes (the rears keep locking, pedal goes away after
    only two laps), gearing (could really use a close ratio MGA but can't
    find one) and a few other odds and ends. 
    
    On the subject of Vintage Racing, and in particular Elvas, there SVRA
    event at Road Atlanta 10/26-10/28 is featuring the Elva as the marque
    as part of the Elva's 35th anniversary celebration.  We're still
    debating whether to go - not to race it but just for the "atmosphere".
    

    	While strolling thru the paddock at Lime Rock Saturday morning, I
    saw an old Crossle Formula Ford. The bodywork was off so I went over to
    look at it...it had some cooling vent holes cut in familiar places. The
    owner came out of his motorhome and I asked about the car. It was my
    old car! Although the owner had the false impression that it was a '71,
    it was 16F 69-02, the car Roger Barr ran in '69 - '72, NEDiv champ in
    '70, etc.  (since it was on it's third [at least] chassis, there was no
    chassis plate on it)   Gad, something like this makes you feel old!
    	I told him that to become authentic, the car should be returned to
    it's original blue color and Roger's number, 61, used.   - Chris
    
    ps. This was the first customer FFord that Crossle sold. Shortly after
    I bought it, I started building my house and decided not to risk my
    investment $$ by racing it myself (it was to be my step up from FVee),
    so I let Roger run the car as sort of the U.S. factory car with support
    from John Crossle. In '71 when $$ for the house got real tight, I sold
    it to Roger for $2300. (new price to me was $3500!) 
       Crossle had sold FB cars (Roger was Nat. Champion in the FB in '68)
    and small sports racers, but this was his first FFord. 16F 69-01 was
    the factory prototype, 16F 69-02 was the first sold.  - C

    re.4
    The Elva was not at the Rock. It was home awaiting a few parts.
    It's a 59 Elva Mark IV. I restored the chassis a few years ago for
    the fellow that owns it up in Essex, Ma.
                         
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

    The other day I was looking through some old slides from '59-'60 racing
    season and amongst the Birdcages, Elvas, Loti, ACs, early Vettes,
    D-Jags, etc.., I found a picture of a Bandini. It was a Japanese-made
    open wheel racer, probably 1-1.5 liter. I've never heard of it since.
    Was it an unsuccessful attempt by the Japanese to get into the kit
    racing business in the US??
    
    At that time the fields were pretty much controlled by European marques
    and Vettes with some hybrids, Chevy/D-Jags, for example. It just seemed
    peculiar to find anything from the Far East in the group.
    
    Just curious,
    
    Bob

    	There was a Bandini formula Junior car from Italy. I believe it
    had a Fiat engine. First Jap car I ever saw racing was a Honda S-800
    roadster, but I had heard of Isuzu-Bellet (sp?) sedans running on the
    West coast even earlier (late '50's). 
    	Bandini also had a 750 cc car, H modified it those days. - Chris

There had been a Bandini in the area, as it appears at a lot of the Vintage
events at Lime Rock.  I did not, however, notice it among the 365 race cars that
ran this last time.

	Also noticably absent were (at least I did not see them):

	The Kellison 
	The White/w Blue-Stripe Lister/Jag (there were three Listers there,
		a Jag, a Chevy, and Sunbeam Tiger)
	The F40 that was supposed to be there
	The Fitch Special (even though I did see John driving a real
		UGLY car).
	Most of the Formula Juniors that have been there in the past.

Here is a SHORT list of of some interesting cars that appeared (Mostly
the older stuff, there were lots more "newer" cars, too):

Abarth		('59 Prototype, Zagato, 1000 GT TC, Allemano, 850 TC)
AC Cobra	(Mk3 427)
Alfa Romeo	('32 Monza, Guilietta)
Amilcar		('22 Special)
Arnolt Bristol	(Bolide)
Austin		('28 Brooklands)
Austin-Healey	(100-4, Sprite)
Bently		('26 3L,'33 4.5L)
BMC		(F Jr)
BMW		('36 327,'39 327, 507)
Bugatti		('28 T35B, '26 T35C,'31 T51)
Brabham		(BT15)
Caldwell	(D9B)
Chevrolet	('40 Sedan, '58 Vette)
Chevron		(B9)
Cisitalia	('47 Novolari)
Cooper		(T43, T56, T83, Mk8)
Crosley		('51 SS, 16F)
Devin		(Special)
Deutsch-Bonnet	(HBR5)
EMF		('10 Racer)
Elva		(Courier, F Jr)
Ferrari		('50 340 America, 250 GTE)
Fiat		(850 Spider)
Ford		('32 Sprinter)
Gemini		(F Jr)
Jabro		(Mk1)
Jaguar		('38 SS100, XK120, XK140)
Kuhn Special	('32 Sprint Car)
Kurtis		('48 Midget)
Lagonda		('37 GL45 Rapid)
Lister		(Jag, Chevy, Sunbeam)
Lotus		(6, 7, 7 Mk2, 7 Mk3, 7 America, Super 7, 
		 15, 18, 20, 22, 27, 51, 61, Elite, Elan)
Macon		(MR6)
McKee		(Mk8)
Merlyn		(Mk2A, Mk11A)
MG		('34 P,'36 PB, TC, TD, TF, A Twin Cam, A Roadster)
Moorland	(Sports Racer)
Oliver		('39 Sprint)
OSCA		(F Jr)
PBX		(Special)
Porsche		(S90, 356A)
Siata		(53 300BC)
Shelby		('66 GT250)
Studebaker	('31 Index Team)
Turner		(950S, Mk1, Mk2)

    Yea, Chris, you're probably right, but somehow I had the idea it was
    Japanese. There COULDN'T be that much of a coincidence. It was probably
    the 750cc model(displacement wasn't such a big deal back then;-)
    
    RE: Lime Rock
    
    Were there any "Birdcages" there?? That was one of my all-time
    favourites, beautiful car! There used to be a "Monsterati" back home
    that was a homemade Maserati/big block Chevy that used to be
    quite a performer.I once saw him leave the track and land in about four
    feet of pond! As we discussed before Reventlow's Scarabs and Hall's
    Chapparells were local(US) entries as well. I guess most of these
    marques have gone to "show car heaven" and been resigned to being
    hauled around in vans and surrounded by velvet ropes ;-), pity...
    
    I'm surprised at the '47 Cistilia. It probably had the 1100cc FIAT
    engine. The one I'm familiar with belongs to the Porsche Museum in
    Zuffenhausen. It was the one that went to South America and was 
    recovered many years later. It was the the young Ferry Porsche built to
    get money to spring the older Porsche from the French "hoosegow". Its
    features were supercharged 1.5l 12-cylinder was in the rear with four
    wheel drive and side mounted fuel tanks, all rather radical in its day.
    It was called the Nuvolari after the famous Italian driver and was
    produced for the Cistilia company for F1 racing, which it never
    competed.
    
    Do you recall if the Cistilia at Lime Rock had any of these??
    
    Bob

    Reply -1
    
    Last year there was a Birdcage, it was driven by Gaston Andrey.
    
    A year or two before there was a Scarab that blew by everything else on
    the track at the time.
    
    There were more big Healeys than I have ever seen, any one know the
    story of Team Healey?
    
    There were some Le Mans cars: DB4-GT, Sunbeam Tiger GT.
    

    Does anyone remember the Austin Healy LeMans?? It was a HBT7(?) model
    with electric overdrive, high gearing, tri-carb, louvered hood,
    complete with leather straps and buckles. The only ones I ever saw were
    British Racing Green. We had an annual hill climb in a local club and
    there was one who won it EVERY year, and by a considerable amount. I
    don't know how many were made, but by now they should be candidates for
    vintage racing.
    
    RE Deutsch-Bonnet: I recall one year at the annual hillclimb the owner
    of the club's only Deutsch-Bonnet blew a cylinder on the way up there
    and couldn't even make it to the top! If I recall they only had two or
    three to begin with.
    
    The nearest vintage racing on the circuit to here is Memphis, some 600
    miles away. They brought out some "early English" in a qualifying run
    in last years Dallas Pontiac Grand Prix and the people loved it! Maybe...
    
    Bob

    There was a Bandini back in Atlanta when I used to run the Elan in the
    Walter Mitty's at Road Atlanta.  It was driven by a GENTLEMAN in his
    70's, I think the name was Cecil Channing.  Had fenders (like the Lotus
    6) over the wheels.
    
    Have a picture of it in back of me, lined up at the pit entrance, on my
    office wall in NJO.
    
    	-Barry-
    

    	Does anyone know how many Lola T-70 coupes were built. The reason I
    ask is that I had never seen one until the Labor Day weekend at Lime
    Rock where one ran. At the 'Glen' there was a 2 hour enduro. I expected
    to see the usual mish-mash of production car running around, getting
    track time...was I ever WRONG! The top 4 finishers were:
    	1. Lola T-70 coupe
    	2. Lola T-70 coupe
    	3. Lola T-70 coupe
    	4. Wyer Gulf Mirage
    
    	At one time, I had thought that only 3 T-70 coupes were made, but I
    may be wrong. I can't believe we had all of them, running hard, at the
    Glen!
    
    	Old Porsche fans: it was Heaven! My all time favorite is the 4-cyl
    Porsche coupes.  At one race this weekend, I counted (8) 356 coupes on
    the track and about 10 topless 356s. Even in the 356 hey-days of the
    early '60s, I never saw that many 356 coupes on any track [the
    speedsters were lighter and faster. I may have seen that many 911
    coupes in some race, but they don't count for a 356 lover]. 
    
    	Misc. comments: In one practice session there was - Ferrari F-40;
    new Shelby Can-Am car; Porsche 906, 908 or 910, 917 coupe, 917 spyder;
    McLaren Mk 3, Mk 6, Mk 8 Can-Am cars; a recent Indy car; etc. etc.  
    My face was hurting -  I was smiling so much!!! (I don't understand
    what the F-40 and Shelby Can-Am were doing at a vintage event, but I
    was glad to see them [my first time for both].)
    
    	I think this event has displaced the Runoffs as my #1
    gotta-go-see-it event of the year. Better than the Oshkosh Fly-In even!
    
    	Note for NER workers: I didn't see any other NER people in the
    flag-mob. RCA had better improve their black flag procedure (they just
    order a car number black flagged, no color, make. This results in a lot
    of missed cars if they don't get a good point. I can remember getting
    black flag calls with the car about 5 seconds before us at Bryar and
    getting the car [didn't get the numbers up, but got the car!]. RCA
    seems to need about 30 seconds for points now. I think the system may
    change...). They do seem friendler and more tolerant of visitors than
    they did 20 years ago. Station 14 is black flag/checker and I got to 
    throw the checker on a session! (another first for me)
    
    	- Chris, going to the Glen for vintage next year, and next year,...

Is the older guy still driving his Bugatti at the vintage races at Lime Rock?

Dave

    RE -1
    According to my program there was a 1926 t 35c Bug and a 31 type 51.
    One of them spun in the esses and while rolling backwards was hit by
    a '37 Lagonda.  It was not a pretty sight.  I don't think the damage
    was too severe however.

Okay, I just remember a blue (what else) Bugatti being driven by a guy that
looked old enough to have bought the car new.  Something from the 30's is
right.  He had a pit crew of one other guy about the same age.  He was at
every Vintage race I went to at Lime Rock (late 70's, early 80's).

Dave

    Cris,
    
    You would like the T-shirts sold at recent Porsche Parades:
    
    		"Sure, Porsche made Carreras after 1964....
    		but WHO THE HELL CARES!!"
    
    Did they run any 4-cam Carreras?
    
    Bob

    
    re. .18    I used to be able to tell the Carrera's by the different
    exhaust note (re. pushrod 356s), I think due to the different exhaust
    system they had: a 4-into-1 factory system with some odd (resonator?)
    bulges in it, pointing back and up at the center of the rear end. I
    think maybe there has been a rule change about exhaust systems
    extending beyond the rear of the car (or Porsche racers are tired of
    having their exhaust pipes closed off/bent by closely following
    competitors [once saw this at the runoffs: following car just rests
    front sheet metal against end of exhaust pipe and gives a bit of a
    swerve - constipated exhaust results]), but all the 356s has pipes with
    a 90 deg. turn exiting behind the right rear wheel.
    	Regardless, they all sounded alike (sob). There were no 904s or
    550s around for comparison. The 718 ran in a different group. It didn't
    sound like I remembered them, either.  Last time I heard a 4-cam 4-cyl
    Porsche engine, it was in a canvas bodied '52 VW (Rutan's hillclimb
    special at Mt. Washington). - Chris (becoming a Vintage nut)

    re. Chris
    I hope you took pictures of these old treasures........and have
    them with you at the Confab on the 24th.
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

    re. last:  Sorry, Jim.  Corner workers WORK. Photography/cameras on
    station is frowned on. On an undermanned black flag station, there's
    even less breathing time than is normal for a corner.   - Chris
    
    ps. Flag meeting was 7:30 AM; immediatly out to corner; stay with
    equipment (radios) at lunch; leave track for drive home at end of day.
    Didn't even get near the paddock. [I was there on Saturday only.] - C

    Sorry, Chris
    
    One nice thing about the Waler Mitty and some of the other Vintage
    events at Road Atlanta was...
    
    rides for the corner workers!
    
    after the event was over, there was some open track touring time to
    take workers around.  I used to get in about 10 extra laps in the Elan
    (one at a time, dropping off/picking up people).
    
    You may want to suggest it.
    
    	-Barry-
    

    Worker rides happen at LRP Vintage, too.  But they happen after the
    Friday events.  And they happen for other workers, too -- grid, tech,
    and the everpresent-yet-invisible timing and scoring.
    
    Jo-Ann
    

    	Having held an SCCA competition driving liscense, and been in the
    trophies in a competitive class (FV) at Lime Rock, and not liking to
    let others drive a car I'm in, even on the street; there's NO WAY I'm
    going to let some driver I don't even know drive my around Lime Rock!
    	I left the track at the LR vintage event as the workers rides were
    taking place. 
    	At the Glen, I wanted to get the trailer hitched up before dark
    Saturday evening and go and explore I-88 (a new chunk of road for me)
    back towards Boston. - Chris
    
    ps. Re. passengering in cars: beyond the need for many people to 'be in
    control' in tense situations, I've found that being a passenger in a
    car going at X speed is much more scarey than driving the same car at
    the same X speed. ie. If I could be both a driver and passenger in a
    car, I could drive fast enough to be almost scared, but as a passanger
    I would be scared s#!tless!  So, I don't go for quick rides, just
    drives. - C
    

    I didn't get to drive the Elva at LRP, but I did get to take a hot
    spin around the entrance road to the WFO plant..I can say it was
    a gas. I suppose a trip around a track like LRP or the GLEN would
    be better, but since the car wasn't mine, I only restored it, a
    quick spin was fine for me.
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

re: -2

Chris, guess I won't bother asking you if you want to co-drive in the next rally
then....:-)

Dave

    Worker rides (and "Touring" time at the Mitty) are NOT 'at speed'!
    
    Technically (according to the rules) the max is 60 mph.  That may not
    be exciting down the straight, but it is great fun to stay at 60 thru
    EVERY corner.
    
    Oh yes, everyone in the vehicle must wear helmet and belts.
    
    Was great fun touring with the Rover SD1 with auto, air, stereo playing
    Bach and car full (driver and 4 passengers)!  British readers who
    follow their 'NASCAR-like' series will now what I'm talking about.
    
    	-Barry-
    

    re. .26:  Actually, rallying or hillclimbing is such an excercise in
    insanity that it does have a peverse attraction to me. I've thought of
    building a street-legal off-road buggy (you can get a chassis and all
    the parts for a VW-based buggy *really* cheap now-a-days) and enter
    some of the local hillclimbs and stage rallys. [I'd still want to
    drive.] Being a navigator is total insanity and not for me, so you are
    right! - Chris (two weeks to go at DEC - contract won't be renewed :-(

    Don't know if the moderator will let me do this - but here goes. 
    Looking for some old MGB parts, specifically the following:
    
    	Drive spindle, distributor (part #12G4499)
    	Drive spindle, oil pump (part #11G0012)
    	Water pump pulley for 1979 or 1980 MGB
    
    Any help or leads contact me at CSS::Platt

    See note 105 in the Carbuffs notes file. It's for british cars.
    They have in there the mail order places as well. You can get anything
    in 2 days if you want.
    
    jim e - owns a '77B
    

    Would you believe that CARBUFFS is not part of my already existing
    notebook.  Node please?

ACCARS::CARBUFFS

    
April 91
6-7 or
13-14	VARA, Las Vegas
12-13	HSR, Walter Mitty Chalange	Atlanta, GA.
27-28	RMVR, Vintage Racing		Second Creek, CO
27-28	VSCCA, Pocono			
26-28	SDAM, San Diego GP


May 91
11-12	VARA, Willo Springs
17-19	SVRA, Road America		Elkhart Lake, WI
18-19	RMVR, Vintage Racing		La Junta, CO
19	VACCA, Honeywell
27	VSCCA, IMSA @ Lime Rock
30-2	SVRA, Heartland Vintage GP

June 91
8	CHR, Ferrari Fantasia		Lemont, IL
8	VSCDA, Lake Geneva Raceway	Lake Geneva, WI
8-9	VSCCA, Mt. Equinox
14-16	CHR, Vintage/Historic Races	Milwalkee, WI
21-23	SVRA, Vintage Gp		Lexington, Ohio
22-23	RMVR, Vintage Racing		Pueble, Co
22-23	VARA, Willo Springs
28-29	VMR, Amer. Thunder Celeb.	Sears Pt.,CA
28-30	SVRA, Mosport Park		Toronto, Canada
29-30	VSCCA, Philadelphia

July 91
5-7	VSCCA, Loudon
5-7	USCRA, Noho Int'l Raceway
5-7	VARAC, Shannonville
13-14	RMVR, Vintage Racing,
        Mountainview			Mead, CO
19-20	CHR, Road America		Elkhart Lake, WI
20-21	VSCCA, Pittsburg

Aug 91
3-4	VSCCA, Capital Center
9-11	HSR, Atlanta Historic Races
	Road Atlanta			Braselton, GA
16-18	HMSA, Monterey Hist.		Laguna Seca, CA
23-25	VSCDA, Vintage GP		Grand Rapids, MI
30-2	VSCCA, Lime Rock Fall Festival
30-1	RMVR, Street Races		Steamboat Springs, CO
6-8	SVRA, Serengeti Drivers Cup	Watkins Glen, NY
13-15	VSCDA, Vintage Festival		Elkhart Lake, WI
27-29	HSR, Mid-Ohio Vintage Challange
        Mid-Ohio Sportscar Course	Lexington, Ohio
28-29	VSCCA, Bridgehampton

Oct 91
4-6	SVRA, Pres. Cup			Summit Point, WV
5-6	RMVR, Vintage Racing		Pueblo, CO
12-13 or
18-20	CHR, St Louis Historic Races	Fairmont City, IL
19-20	VARA, Las Vegas
19	VSCCA, Lime Rock Closer
25-27	SVRA, Atlanta Vintage GP	Braselton, GA

Nov 91
2-3	CSRG, Sears Point		Sonoma, CA
15-17	HSR, Savana Historic Races
	Roebling Road			Savannah, GA
16-17	RCA/VARA, Palm Springs GP	Palm Springs, CA

Dec 91
6-8	SVRA, Winter Fling		W. Palm Beach, FL
7-8	VARA, Willow Springs

    I was just at a vintage event and was interested in the technique of
    wiring nuts to keep them from vibrating off.  It requires a hole to be
    drilled from the middle of one flat to the middle of the next flat.
    How is this done?  Looks like a dificult hole to drill because of the
    angle.  Is this still done on more modern racers?  Do the nuts come
    that way?

You can buy a jig to hold the nut. My racing car has this in a few places where
modern alternatives are not advisable. i.e. Carburettor banjo bolts
(you dont want bits of loc tite in the carb.) sump and gearbox filler drain 
plugs.(You dont want to over torque and the oil makes it difficult for glue to
stick)

Having just completed my first VSCCA drivers school and real race, I thought
I would record my impressions.

First, I must say I'm still as pumped up about the whole experience as I can
possibly be.  Perhaps in a few more days I'll calm down but for now I'm still
reliving every moment.

The school was held at Lime Rock Park. Friday was classroom sessions with
small groups taking turns watching others on the track following instructors
through turns. Then rolls would be reversed and the on-track group would
come in and watch others running. This process was repeated several times,
with speeds going up and postions switching so instructors could watch each
driver. Sometimes an instructor would ride with a driver and sometimes a
driver would ride with an instructor. The biggest emphasis was put on learning
the correct lines, signalling, saftey and learning the flags. Towards the end 
of the day a practice start was held so you got the feel for following a pace 
car around and keeping in the correct order until the flag was dropped.

It was very cold on Firday and during a couple of times on the track it was
snowing horizontally! Made for interesting cornering a couple of times.

Saturday was more of the same, with practice sessions in the morning with the
instructors watching from the side lines. Then there was a student race for
each group. Being in a very slow car I expected to be dead last but I did
manage to pass two cars. (They could both out distance me on the straight
but seemed a little timid on the turns so the flag people signalled them
to move over and let me by.) On the other hand I was passed several times
by all manner of other cars. Some, like Aston Martins, I expected to roar
by, but being passed by a pre-war MG seemed an insult.

Saturday afternoon those who passed the school were allowed to race in a
'real' race with other veteran drivers. Due to a full grid of cars I was 
bumped to a higher class for the race. (Just what I needed...racing with even 
faster cars). Anyway, I was gridded 31 out of 34, was passed by those 3 behind 
me before I even reached the start line! All was not completely lost as I did 
manage to pass a slower car later but then was passed by yet another very fast 
MGTC. 

Aside from the constant looking out for cars overtaking, I had a terrific
time. I never would have believed I could go around corners so fast (well
it seemed fast to me) or actually pass someone at racing speeds. I also
was surprised how tiring the whole affair was. By the end of Saturday I
ached all over and couldn't wait to try it again. And the car ran faultless
for two days!

    Congrats Dick,
    On getting thru the school and surviving the "race". Glad to hear
    the MG survived also. How did Tom do with the Elva?
    
    Sorry I couldn't make it down...I had some hidden commits (course
    I didn't know about till Sat AM) to my daughter...
    
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

The Elva seemed to go pretty well once the new carbs were adjusted. However,
at some point oil pressure dropped off so Tom packed it in for fear of
doing damage. The car went back to Sasco for a look see at the engine. 

Tom did comment that the new carbs gave a smoother power band on the track
and he seemed to be able to keep up with cars that pulled away from him
last year.

As an aside, they had 180 entries for the five races.

Why not plan to do the Mt Washington Hillclimb.  For the last two years they
gave reduced entry fee (possibly free) for vintage cars (pre '61 I think).

Dave

    Oh boy, another Elva -- and so close!!!  What model, what year, Tom
    who, what kind of of carbs is (are?) he running, brakes, etc. -  
    We're not runnin in
    VSCCA so it's OK to tell secrets. 
    
    We're running an Elva Courier in SCCA, E/P.  Won the NERRC championship
    in '91 with it, and looking for a repeat in '92 (my apologies to all
    your other noters that have heard that before, but I'm darn proud of
    that championship!)
    
    

>    Oh boy, another Elva -- and so close!!!  What model, what year, Tom
>    who, what kind of of carbs is (are?) he running, brakes, etc. -  
 
Mark IV, 1100cc Coventry Climax with twin Webers (SU's until this year).
Not sure of year. Finned drum brakes (disc's not allowed unless original
equipment).

Owner is Tom Ellsworth, Essex, MA.

Btw, there were several Couriers at the VSCCA event. In fact they are quite
popular from what I can tell. One car was being shared by a husband/wife
team (like us) and I managed to pass the wife in one session. Car had more
go but she was backing off on the corners.


re: Mt Washington

I plan on doing Mt. Equinox in June. I think the Mt. Washington event is by
invite only if you aren't an SCCA member.    
    

Just talked to John Buffum - for vintage cars they basically have 'demonstration'
runs and they are trying to get 4-5 cars this year (for no entry fee) to 
participate.  He suggests you call Howie Weiymus (sp) at the Mt Washington Auto
Road (Gorham, NH) for more details.

Dave

    re. Dick,
    Darn, wish I was able to get over to see you and Tom run. After all,
    I have a little bit of sweat and blood in both your cars... :-)
    
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim
    
    re. Elva Mark IV. "This thing is a roller skate looking for some curves"
        I got a chance to drive it a while back, What a gas to drive, even
        though you have to drive from the wrong side of the car.
    
    
    ps How did your wife do? I hope for bragging rights, she didn't beat
    your times.
    

Aileen did just fine. She got the lines down quicker and more accurately 
than I did. However, she was a little timid using the loud peddle. Also,
we haven't solved the seat problem so she was not comfortable driving
at speed.

    Well, not exactly vintage *racing*, but we managed to get the
    Studebaker running last night!  Took a few laps around the block and
    then parked it for the night.  It's strange looking at oil guage
    reading 3-4 psi and feeling relieved....
    
    Dave

Congratulations!

--PSW

    I think I will fix the electric starter this weekend so we don't have
    to rely on the hand crank.  I'll also drain and refill all the fluids
    (radiator, crankcase, tranny and diff) and take it for another drive!
    
    Dave
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                                        //   \\   |   |___||_///   \\|"
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                                         \___/ 1924 Studebaker \___/
                   			    Special 6 Touring Car

    Any info on the Mt Equinox VSCCA hillclimb, which I think is
    June 12-13?  I'm looking for spectator info including directions
    and maybe a valid phone number or hotel pointer.  Thanks.
    
    Doug.

      Good luck on finding a hotel that weekend! There is a big car show at
    Hildiene (sp) that same weekend and Manchester is a very popular place
    this time of year. 
    
      I will be at both the hillclimb and the car show and I have had my
    reservations since Jan.
    

    Where exactly is it in the Mancester area.  I can drive up two days,
    maybe, or maybe just one will be enough.  What's the daily agenda--I've
    never been there.  Practice on Saturday race on Sunday?  Is there
    a ticket fee for spectators?
    

      I don't have a map with me today to give you route numbers but I do
    seem to remember an intersection of route 7 and 11 being in Manchester.
    That makes it in southern Vermont not far north of the Mass. line.
    
      As Far as the hillclimb, I watched from the start line at the base and
    was really impressed with some of the older cars and the sound they
    make as they take off. They disapear about a half mile up the hill and
    you don't see them again until they come back down. I suppose you could
    walk up farther to see a different part of the road but I have never
    tried that. If you want to drive to the top before it starts, that
    might be possible but it is expensive and you are stuck there until
    things are over with (no return road). BTW No charge as far as I know
    to watch.
    
      Not all that sure of the schedule but I only go for Sat. anyway. I
    have to have some time at the car show. If you get there, drop over to
    Hildiene(sp) and check out the show. Usually 300 to 400 cars and in a
    really nice setting. 

    I called a friend of Dave Burden who gave me some additional info.
    
    The base of the hillclimb and the parking lot is just off to
    the left of Rte 7 between Arlington and Manchester.  Racing is
    both days, more people go on Saturday.  Any run counts.  Cars
    must be over 30 years old to enter.  You might be able to get
    up the road a ways if you're nice to the people.
    
    Thanks to Dave for the pointer.
    
    Doug.

Corner workers are always needed, get there very early,
get a free ride up the hill, I think a free lunch, too.
Have a great time.

If I remember correctly, the whole corner worker thing
is run by "Steve and Jean", better known as
Steve Chisholm and Jean Petryshyn
47? Oslo St, 
Mystic, CT

Thats from memory, not sure of the street number, but I did spell
Jean's name correctly.

Drl 
(who used to sleep on S&J's couch when they 
lived across the street from Lime Rock)

    My 8 year old son and I went to the Mt. Equinox hillclimb on Saturday.
    As advertized, it's a great little event with a bunch of interesting
    and unusual cars. It was a nice day, only two short showers (both
    shortly after putting the top down on the Miata) on the way, no rain at
    the event. It's about 3 hours from Shrewsbury.
    
    There were about 2 dozen cars, including (from memory):
    
    ~1920 Studebaker Indy car
    ~1930 Invicta open wheel racer
    late thirties BMW sports car (326? 327? 328? I can't tell them apart)
    ~1950 Kieft formula 3 racer (similar to Cooper) - my favorite
    ~1950 Cooper formula 3 car, burning alcohol and caster oil in a big
    	single cylinder bike engine
    late 50's Cooper-Climax, spun once higher up (no damage) and fastest
    MGA
    MG-TD
    two Allard sports cars, one was the loudest car there
    Porsche speedster and another similar I didn't recognize
    Jaguar special based on an XK 150(?)
    a half dozen Lotus 7's
    Maserati prototype sports car - prettiest
    1963(?) Alfa spyder, probably a 1600 but didn't they have a 2000 too?
    
    What is best about this event is that it is informal and friendly. The
    "pit" area is the gatekeeper's back yard, so you can walk right up to
    the cars. Also, while these are all classics, they are driveable
    cars--no museum pieces--with the associated oil leaks, safety wire,
    dents, and other stuff that shows they are being used exactly as was
    intended by the builders.
    
    A great day.
    
    Doug.

The only sad part was when the Elva crashed just after the first parking lot.
The damage was close to a total.  They were able to save the bodywork,
but the structure underneath is almost completly trashed.

And, yes, Keith's Alfa is a 1600.  He has been running it up the hill for about
a long time.  It's pre 60, however, as the first requirement to run with the
VSCCA is a car built before 1-jan-1960.  

The owner of the Speedster and I had a very SERIOUS discussion about drinking 
Old Peculiar.  We used to get really pissed on the stuff back at Lime Rock in 
the days when it came in the large mouth milk bottle. He visited the brewery's 
own pub this last year.  Made me want to fly over there.  The Speedster, BTW
is a daily driver.

The Lotus 7 with the Gull Wings is actually a very rare (one of three?)
prototype from before Lotus was selling in the US.  The Gullwings were done to
make the car acceptable in the US.

Missing was the Millers and their XK140.  Word was they were over at LeMans.
Also, the turnout was a little light compared to years past.  Ends up there were
two other events in the area (out at the Glen, and someplace in PA) the same
weekend.

Doug,  Too bad you didn't stop by the first parking lot at the end of the day.
	You would have been more than welcome to visit and have a can of
	"Flagers Soda" or two.

    What Elva?  You hadn't mentioned one in your list of vintage
    participants.  Do you know who's it was,  and a lead on how to get a
    hold of the person.  If it was a Courier-type as opposed to the
    speedster, maybe Peter can get some salvageable parts and/or spares if
    the guy is going to be "retiring".
    
    Would appreciate the help.  Thanks
    
    	Barb
    
    

	Does anybody have any detail on the VSCCA race at Lime Rock
	in early October??? Since I never been to one of these what's
	the normal schedule/format for the meet??? THANKS, in advance,


	-mike

    Anybody know if the Mt Equinox hillclimb is this coming weekend (June
    11) or did I miss it?
    
    Doug.

      As far as I know, it is still on. At least I plan on being there for
    that and the car show at the Lincoln home. Look for me in a green
    MGB-GT with NY plates.
    
    	Al
    

    Is Mt Equinox on this year for June 8-9? I'm still not sure
    of the date algorithm...
    
    Doug.

    I just happen to have the flyer Steve Chisolm handed out at Lime Rock
    this past weekend. (860) 536-3196
    
    Mt Equinox  June 8&9
    Saturday    Cars on the hill 10:00 to 4-ish. FLag meeting 9:15
    Sunday      Same start, but finish 2-ish.
    
    Lunch and end of day party both days
    
    
    Lime Rock   June 14&15
    Combined VSCCA and JAG club event
    Worker rides and Champagne coctail party and dinner Friday night
    Start time 9AM both days. It's a muffled event
    
    
    NHIS        June 28-20
    vintage celebration. 8AM start
    
    
    Lime Rock   Oct 18&19
    VSCCA fall finale, with pumkin carving contest
    
    
    Mt Washington  June 21-23
    Automobile hillclimb. yes some vintage cars there too
    Friday and Saturday starts at o'dark 30   (actually about 6AM....)
    
    
    Naturally workers are always needed for these events.....
    
    jim