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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

1000.0. "Best Single Long Term Investment Vehicle" by 2155::michaud (Jeff Michaud - ObjectBroker) Sat Apr 20 1996 04:13

	Well searching for topics with "stock", "bond", "long", or
	"return" in the title didn't reveal an existing topic that
	I could find for this topic (though I'm sure we've discussed it
	before, but probably hidden under some other title).

	On Wall St. Week tonight (Friday) the guest computed (just
	for W$W they said :-) the comparitive returns of various
	investment choices

	The following assumes a theoritical $1 invested in 1802 in each
	of the various investments (CPI is the Consumer Price Index, ie.
	the usual method of tracking inflation), and any payouts reinvested:

Total Nominal Returns (1802-1995)
    Stocks	$4,558,397.53
    Bonds	    $9,557.42
    T-Bills	    $3,324.84
    Gold	       $15.54
    CPI		        1272%

	Taking the effects of inflation the real returns computed are:

Total Real Returns (1802-1995)
    Stocks	$358,448.39
    Bonds	    $751.54
    T-Bills	    $261.45
    Gold	      $1.22
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1000.1"If it don't go up, don't buy it" -- M. TwainEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireMon Apr 22 1996 12:1721
    Pity they didn't explain how they calculated those figures.
    THERE'S NO POINT IN PRESENTING RETURNS THAT COULD NOT BE OBTAINED
    BY ACTUAL INVESTORS.
    
    I'll bet you can't find very many stocks that were around in 1802
    that are still around in 1995. I guess W$W opposes buy-and-hold.
    Wonder if they accounted for commissions? Taxes? Wonder if anybody 
    could have -really- obtained those returns? Maybe they should insert
    the 1804 silver dollar (14 minted). If you had bought one of those
    in 1804 you would have outperformed stocks 2-1.
    
    I'll bet if you invested $1 in EVERY company that was around in 1802,
    you'd be under water today.
    
    Heck, $1 invested in Tokyo real estate in 1802 would probably outperform
    stocks by a wide margin.
    
    Until there's a good explanation for these figures, I figure they're
    just blowing smoke.
    
      John
1000.22155::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Apr 22 1996 13:249
> Until there's a good explanation for these figures, I figure they're
> just blowing smoke.

	It's not "they", but "one" person, the guest for the week.
	However now I can't remember his name :-(  Anyone else
	in here see the show?

	Yes, the details are lacking.  I do prefer the guests that
	give more recent picks than 100 year old picks :-)
1000.3WSW Guest 4/20CONSLT::BAGLEYMon Apr 22 1996 19:122
    He is a business professor from the Wharton School who wrote a best
    seller last year on stocks.