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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

847.0. "Nasdaq new trading system" by NETRIX::michaud (Jeff Michaud, That Group) Tue Mar 21 1995 14:42

	So, anyone else like the new Nasdaq rules?  From a picture and
	caption in todays Nashua paper:

Nasdaq outlines new trading system
  Joseph Hardiman, president of Nasdaq, explans Access, a new trading system
which the stock market claims will offer individual investors a fairer deal
on the electronic market, during a news conference Monday in New York.
The announcement came the same day that plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit
against Nasdaq dealers charged alleged price fixing spanned more than 1,600
stocks, far greater than previously alleged.

	The picture of the President has a prop behind him listing the
	rules, only some of which I can read:

Nasdaq Stock Market Presents Access
(and Companion Price Protection Rules)

... Features
* Market-wide limit-order price protection
* Immediate execution of matching limit orders
* Immediate execution of market orders of 1,000 shares
  ... less against limit orders priced within the best bid
  ... offer
* Opportunity for price improvement above best quoted
  ... for market orders of 1,000 shares or less
* ....mation of limit orders to all market makers
* ...............

	Anyone have more details?
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847.1Petty theft license?EVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Mar 21 1995 16:5674
    The details are still kinda sketchy and I'll be reading Barron's for
    more information.
    
    One known improvement: it is possible for a customer limit order to be
    matched up against another customer limit order (one buy, one sell)
    and have the transaction actually take place. Kinda like what the NYSE
    has been doing for a couple centuries now.
    
    One catch: in order for the above to happen the broker must "release"
    the order "to the Access system". This is how an order can become
    visible for possible matching against another customer limit order
    that was "released to the Access system" by some other broker elsewhere.
    Ah, but get this: the broker doesn't HAVE TO "release the order to the
    Access system". Your broker can just sit on your order if he so desires.
    Except the broker is required to "protect" your order "as if it were on
    the Access system", which I think means if a matching trade is posted
    on Access, then -- even though your order isn't posted -- the broker
    has to fill your order as if it had been electronically matched at the
    price you requested.
    
    That sounds kind of strange but (if I'm recalling and interpreting this
    correctly) it actually makes sense when you think of NASDAQ as a group
    of brokers each of whom makes markets in a stock, and wants to continue
    making money off price spreads. Here's how:
    
    Suppose you want to buy 600 shares of URIX, currently 3 5/8 bid 3 7/8 ask.
    You decide to buy at 3 3/4 or lower, thus entering a limit order between
    the bid and ask. If your broker "releases" the order then maybe you'll
    see a matching sell limit and get filled. That's pretty much what the
    public wants to see.
    
    Ahhh, but what if your broker is one of the URIX market-makers? Then he
    really doesn't want to "release" your order to Access because you could
    end up doing business with somebody else and not giving him your business.
    Broker can:
    	(a) "Release" your order to Access if he finds the price unattractive
    or	(b) Sit on the order if he's willing to deal at that price
    
    Case (a) is the easy case. Case (b) is the interesting one:
    	(b1) Nobody posts a limit sell order at your price 3 3/4. In which 
    	     case it's no trade and you can either cancel the order or do
    	     what your broker REALLY wants: up the bid to the 3 7/8 the
    	     broker, as market-maker, wants for the stock. This is how the
    	     NASDAQ works today, you always deal with a market-maker.
    	(b2) Somebody posts a limit sell order on Access at your price 3 3/4.
    	     Broker either satisfies the posted order with your order, or,
    	     if somebody else beat him to the trade (this is the "protected"
    	     part) your broker has to fill your order from his own inventory,
    	     like it or not.
    
    It's case (b2) where all the new rules come in. But notice it's the
    broker who gets to decide how to post your order. If he's willing to
    trade at your limit he can hold your order and hope nobody posts a
    matching sell. If he's not willing to trade at your limit (typically
    because he doesn't make a market in that stock (?)) then he releases
    the order to Access and is not liable for missed trades.
    
    The alert reader (are there any readers left at this point?) will have
    noticed an interesting loophole in the dealers' favor. Suppose you want
    to buy at 3 3/4 and I want to sell at 3 3/4. You call your order in to
    your broker. I call my order in to my broker. If we were trading on NYSE
    our orders would eventually meet on the exchange and get matched. BUT
    on NASDAQ, even with Access, it's at least possible that both brokers
    will decide to "sit on" the orders and hope no other matching orders
    come across the system. In that case, we're back to business as usual
    on the NASDAQ "license to steal" dealer-controlled-market system.
    Neither your order nor mine is on Access, so they don't get matched.
    Neither of us knows of the other's order.
    
    As noted above, this is what I understand from the hype and interviews
    that have been presented so far. The above could all be dead wrong,
    but I would be surprised if it were very far off the mark.
    
      John
847.2I'd say you are DNO...POBOX::CORSONHigher, and a bit more to the rightTue Mar 21 1995 18:0915
    
    	No, you are not too far afield at all, John. The NASDAQ
    market-makers had a cow when the SEC started making funny regulatory
    noises on this problem (Big price spreads with the difference going
    into the dealer's pocket); especially the MMs that handle all the low
    volume, low-priced stocks.
    
    	This "improvement" was the concensus "answer" to the critics. And
    John has it perfect. You won't see better pricing on the low volume,
    low priced (under $15) stocks. You will see a more like the NYSE on
    the Microsofts, MCIs, etc. But the MM will still make their spread
    profits until they open the NASDAQ to everyone - and won't that be
    a fun day :-)
    
    		the Greyhawk