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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

707.0. "Fabians" by MSBCS::HURLEY () Mon Mar 28 1994 19:43

    Has anybody out there dealt with a company called Fabians? I talked to
    them today and they will be sending out matierial explaining there 
    services and what they offer.
    
    	From what I know so far they have differant accounts and they try
    and time the market and let people know when its time for stocks, or
    bonds, money markets etc etc etc..
    
    	I've read lots of replies in here about market timing and the pro's
    and con's but I'd like to have a piece of my portfolio to try and guess
    the market.. I was thinking toward the line of 25% of my investments
    would be in this type of fund/funds..
    
    	Any comments??
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707.1Unknown Territory Here.....POBOX::PATELThu Mar 31 1994 03:2113
    Are they located in California and do they offer timing advice via
    newsletter also?.  If that is the case I know that their timing advice
    is very "cautious" and therfore their results are what I would classify
    as "low".  But if you are risk averse and want some decent returns for
    a low level of risk, then try out their newsletter first and then hand
    them some money to manage.  If "Fabian" that you are descibing is not
    the Fabian Family then you need to check out their documented results
    from an independent source for the last 3-5 years minimum.  All other
    checks before you hand money to a money manager need to be done before
    you take the first step. 
    
    Good Luck.
    
707.2VMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireThu Mar 31 1994 12:4814
    .0 didn't explicitly say if this was a newsletter that offered advice
    for readers to act upon, or if it was some sort of money management
    firm that actually did the investing/trading for you.
    
    I'd guess it's probably Dick Fabian's newsletter; he's getting older
    these days and I think his son does a lot of the work now. They track
    a variety of indices and maintain a 39-week moving average, buying and
    selling when the index crosses and closes above or below the average.
    At least that's what they did several years ago. Worked real well in 
    1987, if you were nimble enough to act immediately upon the news...
    if you did, you got out on Friday Oct 16th. Miss 1 day and you got out
    at the bottom.
    
      John
707.3SPESHR::MONDOUThu Mar 31 1994 14:413
    Just as a point of interest, Dick Fabian issues a "sell" signal for
    mutual funds at the close of business yesterday, March 30
    
707.4MIMS::HOOD_RThu Mar 31 1994 15:1313
    
    
    >    Just as a point of interest, Dick Fabian issues a "sell" signal for
    >    mutual funds at the close of business yesterday, March 30
    
    
    It's not even a point of interest if we don't know what kind of mutual 
    funds.  U.S Equities? Specific sectors? Bond funds? Money Market funds?
    International funds?
    
    
    
    doug
707.5ZENDIA::SCHOTTThu Mar 31 1994 15:217
    Sell them all...... the sky is falling.
    
    Buy High, sell low, that's the motto.
    
    They should make clients sign a form saying that they understand
    what LONG TERM means.  Apparently, most don't.  Personally, I just
    opened two fund accounts yesterday.
707.6VMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireThu Mar 31 1994 16:2215
.4>    It's not even a point of interest if we don't know what kind of mutual 
.4>    funds.  U.S Equities? Specific sectors? Bond funds? Money Market funds?
    
    It IS a point of interest simply because so many people follow this
    advice. Whether it's snake oil or sound money will depend on the future
    which, as always, will be written by the survivors.
    
    Knowing what little I know of Fabian, I would say this covers virtually
    all equity funds except "contrarian" plays.
    
    Things to consider buying: oil, defense. May be a bit early for oil and 
    late for defense but I think these sectors will do well, relative to
    the market, for several months.
    
      John
707.7SPESHR::MONDOUFri Apr 01 1994 14:0110
    re: my earlier reply.
    
    I did not provide any specific info on Fabien because his "plan"
    has been discussed previously in this file.
    
    Briefly, he has several "composites" or plans, including a
    Mutual Fund Composite of growth funds, an International Fund plan,
    Gold Funds, and Asset Allocation plan.   I only follow the Mutual
    Fund Composite  and that's the plan that received the sell signal this
    week.
707.8may your accounts be filled with black ink...MIMS::HOOD_RFri Apr 01 1994 16:0425
    re: last few and my earlier reply
    
    >    I did not provide any specific info on Fabien because his "plan"
    >    has been discussed previously in this file.
    
    
    I did a search of 'Fabian' and 'Fabien' and found no such discussion.
    I found a couple of references to a long distance number and the fact
    that they are involved in market timing, but that is all.   
    Your original post said something to the equivalent of 'sell mutual
    funds'. It was simply not possible to decypher that 'sell mutual funds' 
    meant 'sell the Mutual Fund Composite of growth funds' of Fabian's 
    "plan". 'mutual funds' wasn't even capitalized to indicate a special
    meaning.
    
    I did not mean to come off as rude, but the reply was
    interesting-but-useless without some supporting information. It was
    not my intention to rathole the topic, but to find out what was 
    meant by 'mutual funds' (and I did).  
    
    
    
    doug
     
    
707.9Note your fund's closing price TuesdayEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Jul 16 1996 12:406
    With the market sell-off Monday the 15th, the major averages have
    dropped below their 39-week moving average. This would mean a sell
    signal for U.S. equity funds, if anyone is actually following the
    strategy. This would be too bad since IMHO we're near the bottom.
    
      John