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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

236.0. "" by RAVEN1::MKENNEDY (Eschew sesquipedalianism) Tue Jul 07 1992 12:43

Please suggest some ways to invest in pounds sterling in the US.  Money 
market rate for saving is desirable, but it is also desired to incur 
currency risk as well.  Fidelity has three such funds, one of which is in 
pounds, but these are partnerships, the tax disadvantages of which have 
been discussed elsewhere.  It is specifically desired to avoid 
partnerships.  International mutual funds tend to be very broad and to 
hedge against currency fluctuations.

Are ADRs a way of accomplishing this, including market risk as well?  Or 
are ADRs just trading US dollars on the NYSE?  If they are useful for this 
purpose, make some suggestions.

Thanks,

Moffatt 
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236.1What are you trying to accomplish?TLE::JBISHOPTue Jul 07 1992 14:5317
    Well, you can buy pound-denominated traveller's checks, but
    they earn no interest.
    
    Is the "in the US" part a rejection of just opening a bank
    or money-market account in England?
    
    Is the "pounds sterling" part a rejection of just buying
    shares in English stocks via one or another mutual fund
    or directly?
    
    An ADR is a locally-traded representation of a foreign share
    held elsewhere, not a currency vehicle.  It's as though I
    bought a share in London and put it in a vault, while in New York
    I issued an ADR for that share, and promised to turn over the
    share to the holder of the ADR whenever asked.
    
    		-John Bishop
236.2RAVEN1::MKENNEDYEschew sesquipedalianismTue Jul 07 1992 16:5326
                    -< What are you trying to accomplish? >-
Income, primarily, but growth vehicles might be considered for diversity.

    
    Is the "in the US" part a rejection of just opening a bank
    or money-market account in England?

Yes, since I'm located in the US and don't regularly travel to England.

    Is the "pounds sterling" part a rejection of just buying
    shares in English stocks via one or another mutual fund
    or directly?

No, but I'm not aware of any fund specializing in England.  
    
    An ADR is a locally-traded representation of a foreign share
    held elsewhere, not a currency vehicle.  It's as though I
    bought a share in London and put it in a vault, while in New York
    I issued an ADR for that share, and promised to turn over the
    share to the holder of the ADR whenever asked.
    
Doesn't this imply currency exchange risk?

Also, does this contribute to added tax work?

Moffatt
236.3Gilts = UK government bondsTLE::JBISHOPTue Jul 07 1992 19:3632
    The ADR, like the underlying stock share, represents a future
    (possible) stream of dividends and buy-outs.  As the long-term
    exchange rate shifts, so will its value.  Short-term swings
    which don't change the long-term expectations won't cause wide
    swings in the value of ADR.  In much the same way, the currency
    risk for a long bond is lower than for a short bond.
    
    But the ADR and the long-term bond will have currency risk, even
    though it's dampened by the length of the terms.
    
    ADRs don't add any tax complexities over regular stock holdings,
    with the possible exception of foreign taxes paid (but I'm not
    sure, as I don't own any ADRs now).  That's part of why they're
    popular.  You get regular US tax information and they don't
    count as "foreign accounts", so you don't have to check the 
    "audit me now please" box on the 1040.
    
    "Foreign taxes paid" isn't too bad--it's just one more form and
    usually results in money coming back to you.  I do it every year
    because I have some shares in T. Rowe Price International Stock
    Fund.
    
    I haven't ever read about an England-only (or Great-Britain-only)
    fund.  There are English mutual funds (they use a different name,
    I think it's "unit trusts"), but then you'd have the problem of
    doing everything by mail and not getting US 1099 forms, etc.
    
    If you want income in pounds, ask your broker if it's possible for
    you to buy ADRs for British government bonds.  I don't have my
    WSJ to check for any such entries now.
    
    		-John Bishop
236.4Britain: Isle of political stability in a turbulent worldVMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fire.Wed Jul 08 1992 03:0221
    If you have a long-term horizon, try the "National Savings Capital
    Bonds, Series C" which yield 11.5% over 5 years BUT pay no current
    interest.  I believe these to be somewhat analagous to US Savings
    Bonds, including the safety factor.  They can be purchased directly
    from National Savings (CB) Frepost, GW 3276, Glasgow, Scotland G58 1BR.
    
    For a shorter-term alternative you might look into buying Sterling in
    a forward transaction through Barclays Bank.  Forward Sterling is
    priced about 7%/yr. under cash Sterling so -- with no fluctuations --
    buying a 1-year forward contract today would yield about 7% to which
    you would then add/subtract currency risk.  Since you seek currency
    risk I'll forego the standard lecture.
    
    Having just closed out a five-figure profit in Pound futures I feel
    qualified to say that I think we are near a peak, and look for a
    correction into mid-August.  I am selling call spreads so as to put my
    money where my mouth is.  From mid-August thru November I look for a
    resumption of the current uptrend, expecting >> 2.00 by Halloween.
    So if you want to buy Sterling, consider waiting until 8/20 or so.
    
      John
236.5SUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingWed Jul 08 1992 09:4626
236.6SUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingWed Jul 08 1992 12:2511
	And I forgot PEPS (Personal Equity Plans) - max 6,000 a year.
	Both the growth and interest are tax-free.

	The peps can be one-company share related, or unit trust related.
	You can get managed PEPS from different brokers.
	I believe you can go direct to Equity and Law and bypass fees, but I'm
	not 100% sure on this.

	Heather

236.7UK only equity mutual fundsMPGS::RAJANWed Jul 08 1992 16:286
I know of 2 United Kingdom only equity mutual fund. The first, United
Kingdom Fund is a closed-end fund that trades on NYSE. It is selling at a
discount to its net asset value. The second, Equi-Wright:UK is a new
open-end index mutual fund.


236.8Where's the best conversion rates UKL -> USD ?HANNAH::KUMARMon Sep 14 1992 17:154
    Where's the best exchange rates (UKL --> USD) available? Someone is
    remitting me British Pounds - should I ask for a Bank draft (Pounds)
    and get it exchanged at an US bank or is it better to exchange it to
    US$ in UK and have a dollar draft sent me?
236.9NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Sep 14 1992 17:304
Unless it's for a lot of money, I'd opt for the remitter going through the
hassle of exchanging.  I can't imagine that the difference in rates is
great enough to outweigh the trouble.  In case you can't tell, I speak
from bitter experience.