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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

1005.0. "Motley Fool?" by DELNI::GARRETT () Fri May 03 1996 15:46

    Has anybody had any experience investing with Motley Fool,
    or know anything about them?  
    
    A friend of mine said her cousin has done extremely well
    investing in their portfolio.  I have read a little about
    them on the Web, but don't know of anybody who has had
    experience with them.
    
    Comments?
    
    Sue-Lane
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1005.1Better than brokerage home pagesEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireFri May 03 1996 16:1310
    I had a look at some of their pages, starting at
    http://fool.web.aol.com/fool_mn.htm
    and was reasonably impressed. They definitely poke well-deserved holes
    in the blowhards of the financial industry.
    
    One thing that bothers me is that they tend to emphasize high-volatility
    stocks. The next market correction may lose them a few subscribers.
    I want to see if they're still around in, say, July 1998.
    
      John
1005.2exMILKWY::JSIEGELSat May 04 1996 00:1227
    I have a tape of theirs, and it expouses the Dogs of the Dow theory
    (buy the top 10 yielding DOW stocks, hold for a year, then adjust
    portfolio again to top 10 yielding DOW stocks...etc.  You only review
    and adjust once/year).  But they recommend a variation that says look
    at the cheapest 5 of these 10.  But they don't stop here; they say drop
    the cheapest, and double up on the 2nd cheapest, and that over the past
    20 years this has yielded about 29% ave. annual return.  From what I
    remember, here's the numbers they stated:
    
    	Straight Dogs-of-Dow:	~17% ave annual return over last 20 yrs.
    	Buy 5 cheapest:		~22% ave annual return  "     "   "   "
    	2x 2nd cheapest, buy next 3 cheapest:	~29% ave annual...
    
    I'm curious what the variation to these yields are for each 20 year
    period beginning each year, i.e. year 1-20 vs. 2-21 vs. 3-22, etc.  If
    what they say is true, it's probably one of the best yields to be
    achieved so easily and relatively risk free, as long as you have a long
    time horizon.
    
    As for their own recommended portfolio, I don't remember exactly what
    it's made up of, but I know they were early and big backers of IOMEGA,
    and that may be a big part of their gains.  
    
    By the way, all their info is on America Online.  John, did you say
    they are also on the internet?
    
    /Jon
1005.3yMILKWY::JSIEGELSat May 04 1996 00:153
    Whoops!  I just reread 1005.1 and saw the internet address.
    
    /Jon
1005.4Wonder what the 1965-1974 returns were likeEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireMon May 06 1996 12:4323
        If you have 100 different investing schemes, by definition 5% will
    satisfy a statistical confidence test at the 95% level, even though
    they are no better than average in the long run.

>   			      But they recommend a variation that says look
>   at the cheapest 5 of these 10.  But they don't stop here; they say drop
>   the cheapest, and double up on the 2nd cheapest, and that over the past
>   20 years this has yielded about 29% ave. annual return.

    "Dogs of the Dow" (10 best yielding, traded once a year) is pretty solid.
    "The Dow 5" (5 cheapest dogs, traded once a year) is also pretty solid.
    "Drop the cheapest" is starting to look like one of those 5 lucky-by-
    chance schemes that may or may not continue to work well in the future.
    Maybe a better approach is to drop any stock selling under $15 ($8? $5?)
    or just double up on the most expensive of the 5. There are hundreds of
    such possible "tweaks" and some of them will do better than others,
    though not necessarily because of any superior underlying methodology.
    
    As a general rule, the more tweaking you see, the more likely you are
    looking at a curve-fit system that does well on backtesting but fails
    to continue to provide superior returns. Caveat emptor.

      John
1005.5Either (a) a BIG following or (b) "License to steal"EVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireWed May 08 1996 16:2012
    An excerpt from 
    
    	http://cnnfn.com/news/wires/9605/07/computer_zytec/
    
    (q.v. for the entire story)
    
    > Shares of Minneapolis-based Zytec lost $9.17 to $37.33 on Nasdaq
    > turnover of more than 1.1 million shares. 
    >
    > The stock's fall "is driven by the Motley Fool activity that has been
    > surrounding Zytec," said Clint Morrison, an analyst at John G. Kinnard
    > who has been tracking the company for a year.
1005.6Be Careful\MAIL2::INGALLSMon May 20 1996 16:237
    The fools were prominently featured in a recent Fortune Article.  They
    in fact made the cover.  They use a modified "Peter Lynch" methodology
    which worked for Fidelity.  However; their move with Iomega is very
    scary.   The bottom line is be careful.  You might want
    to read the article.  
    
    Good luck.