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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

373.0. "Cars & Horses. What are the laws?" by EQUINE::DANI () Thu Aug 20 1987 12:39

    
    
    <Flame on HIGH>  
    
    	Is there any course a rider can take against motorists who do
    not slow down when they pass horses that are  being ridden
    down the side of the road?
    
    	I'm real foggy on the N.H. law (which is where I am), but my
    understanding is that the horse/livestock has the right of way.
    The motorist is supposed to wait to be motioned past by the rider.
    
    <Flame off>
    
    	I try to avoid riding on the side of roads when ever possible
    but with increasing development and decreasing trails it's getting
    tougher.  I WILL NOT ride on a busy street.  The roads I'm refering
    to are the small residential kind.  There are dogs and kids and all
    sorts on things that could potential spook even the quietest of
    horses into the street.  
     
        In general the speed limit on these streets is 30 or less (plenty to
    kill a horse and rider) but these maniacs are going faster and even
    if you are visibly having difficultly they keep the foot on the gas
    and pass you on the other side of the road (sometimes they don't
    bother going to the other side of the road).
    
    	Has anyone tried taking license plate numbers and reporting
    to the police of the town?  Anyone more familiar with the law books
    in N.H.?  I'm open for ideas.
    
    	While on this topic... anyone know of the laws regarding dirt
    bikes, ATVs and horses?  Again I think the horse has the right of
    way and the machine must yeild.  What can a rider do legally to
    protect themselves from the irresponsible operators (and I know this
    is not all of them) and is there any legal actions that can be taken
    after an incident.
    
    Looking for info...
    
    Might as well put info for other states here also. My guess is that
    other noters want this kind of info for their areas.
    
    Dani_who_may_just_go_ask_the_police  
    
    
    
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373.1Honk if you love horsesCURIE::HERRINGThu Aug 20 1987 12:5218
373.2PARSEC::SCRAGGSThu Aug 20 1987 14:4616
    
    When I was 12 and in the local 4-H club, we were heavily into
    trail and road riding.  The leaders got together and dug up
    all the information on traffic laws relating to animals, and
    passed it on to all of us during the meetings.  This is for
    Mass only - I don't have any idea what other states do.
    
    Horses have the right of way in any situation. If a rider signals
    a motorist or passer by on bike, ATV, moped - u name it, that 
    person MUST stop. In failure to do so, or in an instance of
    harrassment, you may take any information and pass it to an
    official.  The first fine I believe is $25.00, the second is
    either 50 or 100, the third is revoking of license. This goes for
    the road or trail.
    
    
373.3It just isn't worth it!PLANET::NICKERSONBob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^)Thu Aug 20 1987 16:3516
    The biggest problem with the Mass law is enforcement.  Its difficult
    to get the number of that bus when your immediate concern is to
    regain control of a thousand pound animal who is sure that it is
    about to die.  Then if you could get the number, you can feel secure
    with the satisfaction that upon conviction, the driver will pay
    less for a fine than if he were charged with speeding (typical speeding
    fine in Mass is $50).  Remember too that the burden of proof is
    on you to prove that your flailing arms trying to get the motorist
    to stop could not have been interpreted as a signal to go on by.
    I have a friend who learned this the hard way as he watched his prized
    Arabian mare euthanized on the side of the road.  Maybe the fine should
    be double their insurance rate... that would get their attention.
    
    Bob who_never_rides_on_the_road_any_more_except_to_cross_it
    
    
373.4PARSEC::SCRAGGSThu Aug 20 1987 17:0122
    
    You're right Bob, It's a little hard to get a license plate
    while worrying about keeping the frightened animal in line.
    The only time it worked for me was when I was riding in a group
    over a wooden bridge, one of the horses became very nervous and
    started jumping around, a car came, we stopped the driver, he
    proceeded to come onto the bridge, we yelled at him to stop, he
    kept coming until the horse kicked his car (a nice BMW). Well
    that got him out of his car. He started screaming at us that we
    had no right to be on the road, we should be on a trail, we
    told him that we were coming off one trail, crossing the bridge,
    and picking up the other half of the trail. It didn't suit him,
    I guess. He informed us that he was going to sue the owner of
    the horse, luckily we had another witness (other than the group
    of us on horseback) and when the police came they took him to
    the station. Incidentally he ended up paying for the repair bill
    to his car and was given a fine, punitive I'm sure, but still a
    fine. The following week the laws concerning motorists and riders
    appeared in the local paper.  
    
    -Marianne-
    
373.5Can we get newspapers to repeat the article?TOPDOC::NAJJARThu Aug 20 1987 18:218
    I remember reading an article about the MA motorist laws
    concerning livestock (similar to the one Marianne mentioned)
    but it was at least 5 - 7 years ago.  Too bad we couldn't
    get the local news papers to reprint it more often, especially
    during the summer/fall when more people are riding on the road.
    At least this would make people more aware of the law, and 
    they might take it more seriously if they were to see it repeated
    more often.
373.6Newspapers good ideaSQM::MURPHYIs it Friday yet?Thu Aug 20 1987 20:0313
    I'm pretty sure I've read something on this subject in "Horsemen's
    Yankee Pedlar"; probably in their "It's the Law" section.  I don't
    keep all my back issues (don't have the room) but maybe one of the
    other noters does.  It wouldn't hurt to give them a call (or write)
    and ask them to print such an article again soon.
    
    I've also spoken with the Editor of our weekly "free delivery" paper,
    "1590 Broadcaster", and she's going to ask her headline writer to
    research this law in NH and publish it in that paper.  I know there
    are many communities in NH and MA who receive weekly newspapers
    like the Broadcaster; maybe that's a good start.  Contacting other
    newspaper companies is also a good idea.
    
373.7Great Suggestions - thanksEQUINE::DANIFri Aug 21 1987 11:5912
    
    Thank you for all your supportive and helpful suggestions!  Lets
    hope some of these publications will pull through.
    
    BTW - At one of the last Mass. Equine Expos there was a group that
    had put a book together on all the Mass. laws that pertained to
    horses.  I didn't get a copy being a N.H. resident.  Maybe there's
    a noter that did? 
                
    Thanks again.
    Dani
    
373.8I hope they get a kick out of it!PLANET::NICKERSONBob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^)Fri Aug 21 1987 16:2010
    Marianne, I think you may have come across the solution at least
    as a last resort.  There was probably no greater punishment to a
    Bimmer (BMW) owner than to see a hoofprint in the side of his car.
    I usually point my horse's business end at dogs that chase us on
    the trail but I think I'll include dirt bikes and cars with that
    category.  At least they can try to defend themselves.  If they're
    stupid enough to get that close, then they deserve to get kicked.
    
    Bob
    
373.9another contact for helpMTBLUE::BUTTERMAN_HOMon Aug 24 1987 14:5112
    
    
    
    One of the things that we did here in Maine was contact the Dept
    of Transportation with our concerns...  They in turn have made a
    point of every year running an article in the state papers which
    documents the law (the horse has the right of way - as indicated
    by the rider OR driver of a buggy/jogcart by a wave of the hand)
    etc.....  These articles seem to appear every year now so tha's
    (that's) a step in the right direction.  
    
    (that's) a step in the right direction - regards - holly b
373.10Mass Chapter 90 Section 14STAR::BRANDENBERGDead, yet still alive; like Leonard CohenWed Aug 26 1987 16:516
    
    I believe the relevant laws for Massachusetts are in Chapter 90
    Section 14 of the vehicle code.  You might try a library or the
    Statehouse Bookstore (727-2834) to find them.
    
    					- Monty
373.11It's all in Pat's book.PLANET::NICKERSONBob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^)Wed Sep 09 1987 16:5315
    Re: .7
    
    The document you are refering to on Mass General Laws was researched
    and produced by Pat Rhule from the Mass Dept of Agriculture.  I
    remember talking to Pat about how much work it was since she literally
    scanned through all of the Mass General Laws to extract all of the
    ones which referred to horses.  Unfortunately I never got a chance
    to take a copy myself.  I'll ask her if I see her again if she still
    has some left, or anyone could probably track her down through the
    Dept of Ag.
    
    Regards,
    
    Bob
    
373.12more publicity like this...TOPDOC::NAJJARThu Sep 17 1987 17:176
    I saw a small poster in the window of the Victory Pass
    tack shop in Derry NH that discussed the law and made people
    aware about cars and horses.  You could try to contact
    the store and find out where they got the poster.  The
    shop is in a small outdoor mall, and I think a lot of people
    must read it because it is in a visible place in the window.
373.13One idea...STAR::NAMOGLUThu Sep 17 1987 17:2622
    
    I have an idea...
    
    How about creating a sign for the person or horse to wear - something
    along the lines of :  GO SLOW, DON"T HONK  or whatever would be
    appropriate.  This is along the same ideas of trucks having sign
    that say "this truck makes wide right hand turns" or "wide load".
    This could be made out of a light weight fabric and either tied
    to the riders back or drapped off the horse's rump.
    
    I was talking to a coworker about this and mentioned how some stupid
    people would drive by and honk their horns.  His comment was "well,
    they probably don't know any better" and he was serious.  It got
    me to thinking, and there is probably some validity in this.  Of
    course, there are the people that do it intentionally - I was riding
    once and this motorcycle rider started racing up and down the road
    next to me to try and spook the horse.  My horse just ignored him
    :-).
                                                       
    Sherry
    
    
373.14Nasty jokeARGUS::CURTISDick 'Aristotle' CurtisFri Sep 25 1987 18:369
373.15More road-hog jerksMARX::FOXFri Sep 25 1987 20:3521
    Just yesterday I was riding down the road in one direction and a
    friend of mine on her horse was approaching from the other direction,
    we didn't stop to chat or anything but at as we were going by each
    other, on opposite sides of the road of course, a grumpy older man
    speeded towards, slammed on the brakes and told me that we were
    creating a nuisance by riding on opposite sides of the road. I pointed
    out to him that we were travelling in different directions but it
    didn't matter because he then informed me that we were making "a
    h--- of a messfor cars by riding on opposite sides of the road"
    and then sped (literally, 20 mph posted, he was doing more than
    that!)
    
    Hmmmm, I wonder what the grump does when he has to pass 2 bicylists
    going in different directions, run them over???
    
    Re; .-1, the guy I had trouble with probably was only driving his
    heapbox maverick cuz his BMW was in the garage but he sure acted
    the same!
    
    Linda
    
373.16Tanks, Brown Bombs & RednecksMIST::BACKSTROMFri Sep 25 1987 21:0417
    RE: .15
    
    Sounds like a typical Redneck.  That's what we call the local idiots
    that drive their tanks and brown bombs here in Washington.
    
    Where I live, the main road is a blind curve where the driveway
    connects.  The speed limit is 35 MPH, but this is still to fast.
    The county has put two signs up (horse & rider type), about 300 feet
    either side of the driveway, because the driveway is a horse easment
    to the pipeline trail.  Anyway, the people drive so fast down this road
    their tires squeal.  I got my horse used to the noise by walking
    her down to the end of driveway and just standing there.  I'll never
    ride down this road, but it's interesting to watch the rednecks
    as they come around the blind curve doing 50 & 60 and see a horse all
    of a sudden.  They sure TRY to slow down...
                                      
    Larry.  
373.17"Rednecks" are OKCHOLLA::MARTYIgnorance is expensiveFri Sep 25 1987 22:1917
re: .16

>    Sounds like a typical Redneck.  That's what we call the local idiots 
   
   I can't let that one go by.  I'm married to a "redneck" from Oklahoma 
   (by way of LA), she's got lot's of relatives in and around OK and Texas. 
   
   Most, if not all, "rednecks" are either farmers or their parents were,
   and they all like horses (even my wife who grew up in LA).  They wouldn't
   ever intentionaly hurt either a horse or it's rider.
   
   They also like pick-up trucks and are very self righteous; maybe that's
   why you folks in Washington use "redneck" in a derogatory fashion. 
   
   Peace
   
   			Marty
373.18some horses can handle traffic problemsIMAGIN::KOLBEStuck in the middle againSat Sep 26 1987 04:0510
	When I was 19 a friend and I were riding down a country road in
	Indiana. My friend's horse was a kicker and had to be approached
	very carefully if you were comming from behind. During our ride 
	a group of mean looking teenage boys pulled up by us and began
	gunning the car engine and threatening us. Tom turned old Grumpy
	around and he let loose with a two legged kick that made a very
	good size dent in the car. We took off hell bent for leather across
	a field and (luckily) never saw those guys again. Boy, I'd like to
	teach Taffy to do that. liesl