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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

1668.0. "Animal (horse) abuse/neglect up?" by BUSY::MANDILE (cough, cough, wheeze, wheeze! Oh, what a pain.) Fri Oct 16 1992 14:13

    Has anyone else been hearing a lot more "horror" abuse
    stories about horses lately?
    
    The latest was about a horse leased out to another person
    who had their own barn.  Horse steps on a nail and goes lame
    in a hind foot.  Person stops feeding/caring for horse because 
    she can't ride it.  No medical care was given re the nail puncture,
    either.
    Owner finds out and goes to get the horse.  Horse is rack of bones
    with a contracted hind leg from the severe infection.  Horse was
    let starve for 3 months.  I haven't got an update on how the horse
    is doing....
    
    What's wrong with people?
    
    Lynne
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1668.1KAHALA::FULTZED FULTZFri Oct 16 1992 14:474
This just reinforces the need to continually check on a leased horse.  For
the comfort of both horse and owner.

Ed..
1668.2CSLALL::LCOBURNPlan B FarmFri Oct 16 1992 15:015
    My God, that's awful! I wonder if the owner can take any legal action 
    against the leasor? Sue for vet bills or something? I suppose it would
    depend on the terms of the lease agreement......I certainly hope she/he
    can somehow be charged with animal abuse or something!
    
1668.3Mass has strong anti-cruelty lawsESCROW::ROBERTSFri Oct 16 1992 16:3410
    I'd bet the owner can take these people to court.  Massachusetts has
    quite strong laws about neglecting a horse that is in your care, even
    if you are not the owner.  (The state puts out a booklet of all Mass.
    laws pertaining to horses, if anyone is interested in looking up
    exactly which law applies to such a case.)  
    
    Lynn, do you know where this happened?  This is *really* dreadful.  How
    could anyone ignore an animal that is in such obvious pain?
    
    -ellie
1668.4STUDIO::PELUSOPAINTS; color your corralFri Oct 16 1992 17:155
    The new pony at my barn was a neglect case.  No food and no farrier
    work for some time.  It was left in a dirty stall.  
    
    Although is wasn't as bad as some that you read about, but the poor
    critter needs some love and attention.
1668.5Michele, give the pony a hug from me!BUSY::MANDILEcough, cough, wheeze, wheeze! Oh, what a pain.Fri Oct 16 1992 18:184
    The owner lives in Middleboro, where I live.  I don't
    know where the leasee was....
    
    Lynne
1668.6Not surprised that abuse cases have increasedTERSE::DOTYMichelle Doty, tech writer, LittletonMon Oct 19 1992 14:057
It seems to me that all kinds of abuse has increased.
(Child abuse, spouse abuse, substance abuse, other crime.)
People are stressed out from the effects of the poor
economy, (e.g., job loss) and those with the least
self-control vent their frustration on whoever
or whatever is not in a position to defend itself.

1668.758048::PIERCELord have mercy on the working manMon Oct 19 1992 15:2314
    
    I know of a person who has had horses for 15-20yrs!  She is a good
    rider..and she shows about 6 times a year..BUT!  IMHO she abuses
    her horses.  She has 4 standing stalls for a barn and she keeps her
    horses in them day after day...no turn out at all...theses horses never
    see daylight unless they are at a show...she never rides them for the
    heck of it...they just sit in there stall.  
    
    I have called the animal folks a few times..and they can't do a thing
    becasue they are getting hay and water....
    
    I just feel bad for these horses.
    
    L
1668.8help..is availableDWOMV2::KINNEYMon Oct 19 1992 15:292
    Perhaps a rescue by PETA is in order after a word of warning to 
    the owner.
1668.9Rescue from what?ESCROW::ROBERTSMon Oct 19 1992 15:5614
    re .7
    
    Although this is not how I choose to keep my horses, it is not really
    neglect or abuse.  The Lippizans at the Spanish Riding School, for
    instance are never out except when they are ridden.  And I also believe
    that some are kept in straight stalls.  
    
    Now, before someone starts a rathole about how crazy I must be, let me
    mention that my horses have free access to a three acre paddock and are
    almost never inside in their box stalls.  But there is a difference
    between not-the-best-way-possible and neglect and abuse.  
    
    -ellie
    
1668.10depends..DWOMV2::KINNEYMon Oct 19 1992 16:096
    re .7
    Are the animals being kept in a clean environment or standing
    knee-deep.
    Do they have access to fresh water.
    Are they fed daily.
    Is there adequate ventilation.
1668.11CSLALL::LCOBURNPlan B FarmMon Oct 19 1992 16:4012
    Of course, one would assume that the Spanish Lippizans are given 
    considerably more exercise than the horses in the description in .7.
    
    I for one, am adamant that my horses get constant turnout, they are
    rarely if ever kept in stalls, they have free access year 'round....I
    just believe it is the most natural situation for them. But, I realize
    that many horses live in stalls almost constantly and seem to be just
    fine, provided adequate exercise is given via riding or longeing on a 
    daily basis. Standing stalls disgust me, personally, but too, some
    horses do seem to do okay in them, other factors must be considered
    before jumping to conclusions, as mentioned in the previous note.....
    
1668.12Ethnic CleansingSALEM::ROY_KTue Oct 20 1992 12:587
    Has anyone else read any articles on the Lipizzan horses in Europe that
    were killed during this "ethnic cleansing"?  I will try to locate a
    small article I read on it.   An army (I'm not sure which one) had
    killed a very old line of Lipizzans.
    
    Karen
      
1668.13Current or Prior?ESCROW::ROBERTSTue Oct 20 1992 15:035
    re .-1
    
    Which "ethnic cleansing" are you referring to?  
    
    -ellie
1668.14NOWSALEM::ROY_KTue Oct 20 1992 18:453
    This is happening now.  I will look for the article tonight.
    
    Karen
1668.15.7SEEPO::PIERCELord have mercy on the working manWed Oct 21 1992 14:159
    
    More on .7
     
    The stalls are cleaned out about 1 time a week..sometiems less often
    They do have fresh water and plenty of food....they have 1 door in
    this barn..and they usually leave it open..so I guess there is
    ventalation(sp)