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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1025.0. "BL A-engine color schemes ?" by MINNY::MITEVSKI (A 'Special' day) Tue Apr 17 1990 13:54

    Hi
    
    I have just received a reconditioned 998 ccm Cooper engine, for my
    Mini Marcos. It is painted in this horrible gold (gold seal). Now
    I wonder what the color schemes were for the BL A-engines. I have
    seen black ones with chrome cover and blue clutch and gearbox housing,
    there have also been red ones.
    What were the correct colour schemes, if there were any.
    
    Thanks in advance for your input
    
    
    Goran
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1025.1Was it GreenVANISH::LINCOLNThe sun has got his hat onTue Apr 17 1990 14:143
    	I think they were a shade of green, but I'm no authority.
    
    	-John
1025.2Dull, almost khaki-ish, greenIOSG::MARSHALLTue Apr 17 1990 14:334
Well, I remember seeing one that colour, can't say if it's original though.
Try MG or mini owner's clubs, they should know!

Scott
1025.3A long time back....HAMPS::WILSON_DstringTue Apr 17 1990 16:014
    At one time all BMC engines which were recon by BMC were painted
    gold.
    
    DejW
1025.4Ah, those were the days...DOOZER::JENKINSRoad trip!Tue Apr 17 1990 19:0341
                                     
    
    You asked about the 998 Cooper engine. I've no real experience of
    this one as my interest used to be in A-series engines that would
    fit in Morris Minors, eg, 803,948,1098,1275 (and 1800 B engines!)
    The engines coming from, Minors, Midgets, Marinas and the cylinder
    heads from those cars and other transverse derivatives.
    
    For info, these are my recollections.... 
    
    Rocker box cover should be matt green, a shade lighter than BRG.
    Sump cover and back plate (visible parts) were the same colour.
    
    Starter motor black.
    
    Oil filter holder green.
    
    Visible parts of the cylinder head were either green, matt black
    or bare metal depending on the model of the head.
    
    Cylinder block was also either green, matt black or bare metal
    again depending on model. 
    
    Gearbox was as far as I remember never painted, it was left as 
    unpolished alloy.
    
    
    The gold seal engines (so called because they were painted a horrible
    gold colour), were sprayed after they had been assembled, with just
    rags stuffed into orifices that mattered. This meant that things
    like the oil filler cap were covered in gold paint which would fall
    off in bits, usually into the oil, when the cap was removed. 
    
    Somewhere on the ouside of these engines, perhaps where the engine
    number was, (or perhaps there was a code in the engine number itself)
    you could work out the size of "oversize" pistons fitted, and how
    many thou' had been removed from the crank if it had been reground.
    
    
      
    
1025.5Renting spares kits...BONNET::MARTINThe Corporate Rat - 828 6236Tue Apr 17 1990 19:417
    
    	Richard,
    
    	I never realized that you looked under bonnets of former AVIS
    rent-a-dent mobiles ?
    
    	Rat :-)
1025.6input thankfully receivedMINNY::MITEVSKIA 'Special' dayWed Apr 18 1990 11:539
    Thanks for your input. It seems that I will have to get some green and
    black color for that job.
    
    I will also check with the Mini owners club (thanks for the suggestion)
    if there were specialties with Cooper engines.
    
    
    
    Goran_who_hates_this_cheap_gold_look
1025.7VANILA::LINCOLNThe sun has got his hat onWed Apr 18 1990 15:3110
	Incidentally, my previous restoring experience suggests that
	the commonly obtainable "Humbrol Enamel" is a good paint for
	engines. Good range of colours and withstands the heat etc.
	We used to use it on Lotus engines because the Dove Grey that
	they used wasn't available as an "Engine Paint".

	Didn't "Gold Seal" engines fall into disrepute when any Tom,
	Dick or Harry who "did up" engines started doing them gold.

	-John
1025.8more info pleaseREPAIR::TAYLORDas mien Holsten PilsThu Jun 28 1990 17:116
    Did anyone find out what the colour scheme meant exactly?
    
    Ive just got an A-series which is black whith a green cylinder
    head, does this mean its been ported, gas flowed or what?
    
    ...dom
1025.9OVAL::ALFORDJIce a specialityThu Jun 28 1990 20:404
    
    doesn't that mean that it's a recon engine ?
    
    ...or was that gold...
1025.10check the engine numberRUTILE::SMITH_ANo-one puts baby in the cornerThu Jun 28 1990 20:489
    As far as i remember A-series engines were all green (head and block,
    any size)
    
    BLMC also did guarenteed re-con' engines painted gold - hence 'Gold
    Seal' engines. Unfortunately, unscrupulous (sp) re-conditioners
    also sprayed their engines gold if they thought they could get away
    with !
    
    
1025.11ANNECY::MATTHEWSM+M Enterprises. Thats the CATCHFri Jun 29 1990 12:069
    One of the previous replies gives all the possible colour 
    combinations, but I don't think that the colours relate to
    modifications to the engine, just the type of car that the
    engine ended up in.

    For instance, the A series engine in the MG was usually black.
    The standard Mini was usually green.

  Mark
1025.12Colouring by numbersDOOZER::JENKINSFri Jun 29 1990 16:4424
    
    
    .11 is correct.
    
    Colours depended on:
               
        -  engine size 803/948/1098/850/998/1071/1275
           (and a 1293 standard prodution)? 

        -  the BL car it was to be used in (to name but a few) eg.
    
    Morris Minor/1000/Traveller and derivatives
    Minis/Coopers/etc
    Riley Elfs/Wolsey Hornetts
    1100s 
    1300s
    MG/VDP derivatives
    Marinas
    Midgets
    Metros
     
    Spans over forty years and may even make fifty.