Conference terri::cars_uk

	A V6 2.8 in a GOLF !

	Sorry but I really find that rather hard to believe. 

	Where did you hear this ?

	Gordon

this info's been around for some time: VW have been developing their own V6
engine over the last few years (& having a fair number of problems with it)
engine is due for use in top[ spec Corrado, as well as in the Passat & Golf


...art

    
    I was reading something that mentioned VW's minimum requirement from
    it's new VW Corrado -- *IT MUST* out-excelerate the low-end Porsche's. 

    I recall a mention of V6 2.5 and V6 2.5 16V engines. Perhaps this is
    the same ( slightly extended ) lump being mentioned in .-*  Maybe VW 
    have plans to use this development in the Golf's, Jettas, etc.
    
    Also, I wonder if this ( i.e. the Corrado ) is the reason why Porsche
    have dropped their 924 Series ? 
    

    GTI Engineering's conversion of the 1.8 16V engine to 2.0 litres will
    out class a Porche, with 175 BHP, so what will a 2.8 engine give?!!!
    This sounds more like a rally or racing engine special, but if they
    do become available I may put one in my Jetta, vrooooom, vrooooooom!!
    
    

    I remember talk of a narrow angle V6 with a supercharger, but I thought
    the capacity was about 2.0 litres.
    
    John

	Re: .1

	The information came from Testwood Motors, Southampton, when
	I took my golf in for a service! The salesman gave me the news
	about the RHD Corrado first, because he knows that I want one!

	Then he told me about the new golf. I said VW have enough problems
	getting the 16V engine in, with not much room to spare! His reply
	was that it will be a completely new shape/size Golf! Well let's
	just wait and see!!!


	Steve.

    Yes, the narrow angle V6 (something like 12-15 degrees allowing
    one single alloy head to top all 6 cyl) has been around for some
    time already. It should have appeared on the current Passat, but
    VW announced at launch time that the engine was either cancelled
    or delayed.
    
    I always thought that the cancellation of the low-end Porsche (924)
    models would leave a niche for VW (Golf, Scirocco, Corrado). There
    are other rumours about a VW mid-engined coupe (a la MR2) using
    the famous V6.

    In american magazine "Car and Driver" (I think) there was an
    anouncement for a new VW sports car,.....
    
    ........The Karman Ghia Mk II.........
    
    For those of you who do not remember the first Karman ghia, the
    production ran from 1959 to around 1975/6, being completely hand made
    except for the mechanical components which were Beetle based. There
    were no seams on this little beauty, as all panels were assembled 
    by hand, and then the seams were lead filled.  The production run was
    about 400,000 odd cars, quite good considering the work involved in
    making one!.
    
    The new ghia, appears to have kept shades of the Mk 1's styling, and
    will appear in convertable form. (not sure about hardtop). About the
    same size/ market as the Mazda MX5.
    
    Carl.

    
    Will they be allowed to call it a Ghia though? Don't Ford now own
    that name?
    
    Mark

    I think they will, as Ghia, is an Austrian/German coachbuilder.
    Besides, the Karman Ghia was still around when the first Cortina/Granada
    ghia's were around.
    
    Carl

    Are you sure that notice about the 'new' Karmann Ghia wasn't in the
    April issue?? (April fools joke?)
    
    One advantage VW mentioned about the narrow angle V6 is that it's no
    longer than the standard 5 cyl Audi engine, yet more distplacement,
    power, etc.
    
    When do they plan to release the 16v engine in the Rallye Golf?  The
    guy over here in the states who has one of the two in the country, and
    who is rallying it in Grp A form says he'll be getting the 16v engine
    'soon'.
    
    Dave

    
    How do you distribute 16 valves over 6 cylinders V or flat. Surely it
    would be 24 valves. No apologies for being pedantic.
    
    Sounds like VW really want to beat the **** out of the 16v Astra. When
    can I order one through the lease scheme ?
    
    Gary.
    

    re: .8

	Shouldn't this be the Mk III. There have been at least two
	Karman Ghia models already, both based on VW mechanicals
	but with different shapes. The earlier model was a lot
	more rounded that the later one, but both shared a common
	"look".

  Mark

    Sorry, should have qualified that, the Rallye Golf has the 4 cyl
    supercharged engine, but the 8v version.  I guess they haven't got the
    4cyl/16v/supercharged combination together yet, that's what he's
    waiting for.
    
    BTW, all the Corrados over here have the 4cy/8v/supercharged engine. 
    Is that the case overseas as well?
    
    Dave

    To the best of my knowledge, there has already been a Mk3 Karmann
    Ghia (the ugly one).
    
    Billy

    The Mk3 Karman Ghia you refer to  was nicknamed the Razor-edge ghia,
    and was called the "Type 3 Ghia" , meaning it was made with a chassis
    from VW's type 3 model range, ie; Variant, fastback etc.
    
    ie;
       Type 1   -  Kafferwagon  (Beetle) , and Karman Ghia.
       Type 2   -  Transporter/Bus Camper
       Type 3   -  Variant (estate), Fastback, squareback,& Razor-edge ghia
       Type 4   -  411 & 412 Variant (estate & Fastback)
    
    
    Carl - (VW nut, despite what Nicholas Ridley says !!)

    I stand corrected!
    
    Humbly yours,
    
    Billy

    re.14
    
    The 16v Supercharged Golf is already out.  It produces 210bhp.

    Do you know if this engine is available in the Rallye Golf and if it has
    been homologated into Group A yet?
    
    The power sounds very promising.  The 8v/super put out about 160 stock
    and Tim had it up to about 200 or a little more.  With the 16v/super
    engine he ought be looking at high 200's or 300 possibly.  This will
    really give the Audi Quattros a run over here!
    
    Dave

    I ahve the article (half-page) about the new K.ghia at Dec park if
    anyone wants to see an "artists impression" of it.
    
    Carl ( 7830 6101 )

Whilst we are talking new Golfs, does anybody know if there is a ghost of 
a chance of the "Country" ("Gehlande" - sp?) Golf coming to Britain?

This is a Golf Synchro with a custom chassis and bull bar by 
Daimler-Steyr-Puch to increase ground clearance and make it a viable 
vehicle for farmyards and unclassified county roads...

/. Ian .\

    The official answer to that is NO.
    The Following Extract is from this months VW Motoring;
    
    	" Although there are no plans to bring the car into the UK,
    Volkswagen's Golf Country is now on sale throughout V.A.G.'s showrooms
    in mainland europe.
    	The Country appeared originally atthe Geneva Show last year bearing
    the test name "Montana", is amodified 5-door Golf Syncro built at the
    Styr-Dailmler-Puch factory.
    	Bull bars at the front and rear, 6j X 15" wheels, and a seperate
    sub-frame giving an additional 7" ground clearance endow the Country
    not only with a purposeful appearance but with 'serious' off-road
    potential. "
    
    Carl. 

there's a review of the car in this months 'Car' magazine...

they weren't too impressed by it, saying that hte only advantage over the 
standard synchro was imroved visibility (increased ride height) and greater
pose value.


...art

    RE -1
    
    What else do you want, after all, they didn't even advertise it as
    having increased pose value!!
    

    I wouldn't swear to the accuracy of this info, but I have been told
that VW have made a V8 engine that is basically 2 GTI engines put on a common
crankshaft (So to speak)

     As I say, I am not too sure about the accuracy of this comment, but it
does sound good !!!!!!!

         Alan
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Wasn't this the basis of the V8 Audi is using in the 200 (or is it the 300)?

Dave

   You are probably right, I wasn't actually paying all that much attention
at the time, somthing to do with trying to sort out the cam shims in an Imp
while being told about it !!!!!!!

   Alan
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Can anyone tell me - is the VW Golf VR6 available in Britain in right hand 
drive version? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I've been away for a 
while...

If not, anyone heard of plans to make a right hand version available?

Last question - how much does it cost new? (approximately!)

thanks for any help,

Linda

    I'm pretty sure you can get it in RHD form, but I'm not 100 % sure.
    
    The 3 door VR6 costs 18,740 including VAT, the 5 door costs 19,245.
    
    Dave.
    
    

    
    It is available in RHD. Don't pay list price though.
    
    William.

Thanks for the replies - what a price!!! The plan was to import one from 
France (LHD). When I was last in Britain RHD wasn't available anyway. Oh well, 
back to the drawing board. Maybe a Lancia Integrale??

thanks again,
Linda

Yes - I was behind one on the M4 yesterday. Not for long though


	Ian

    re .32
    Lancia Delta Integrale's are not available in RHD either, also I believe 
    that they will still continue being made in the old body-style for some
    time to come - The ordinary Delta has just gone/going to a new
    bodyshell.
    If it's refinement you want go for the Golf, but if it's pure
    excitement go for the Delta.  Personally I'd buy both :-) the Lancia
    for fun and the VW for when I've got a hangover.
    
    Stevie.

Let me explain this shift in ideas from the VR6 to the Integrale - I'm looking
for a car that I could buy in France and take back to England later. So, I'd 
like to buy something that isn't available in RHD so that I'll be able to 
sell it in England and won't have to drag it back to France. I really like the 
VR6 and when I was in England last, it wasn't available in RHD - I was 
hoping that it still wasn't - sigh!! Not so sure about the Integrale, I mean, 
it's not very subtle is it?

Linda

>It's not very subtle is it?

That's the whole idea... they look dead ugly (IMHO) but are attractive because
of the way they look... get my drift?

There's a new (HF/Elephant what ever you want to call it) in Ferney today... i
wonder who's it is???

    wot about an old shape M3 ?