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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2208.0. "Help!!Problem with gears.." by KIRKTN::DALEXANDER (My hovercraft is full of eels) Thu Jan 20 1994 01:39

    HELP !!!
    	Can anybody out there help me.My problem is that my car has been
    off the road for a couple of months(after having a little bump)and I've
    only just got round to trying to get it back on the road again.During
    this couple of months the car has never been started/moved.
    	I got the engine running again without any bother(a quick charge
    was all that was needed)and tried to take the car for a quick spin
    but it would'nt go into gear all I got was this horrible crunching
    sound.The would start in gear but I was'nt able to change gears.
    	I have been told that it is probably the flywheel has fused/stuck
    to the clutch plate and to free it I will need to take out the clutch
    which will cost me a few bob. 8^(
    	My question is,is there an easier/cheaper way to fix this or maybe
    it has nothing to do with the flywheel/clutch plate at all.
    
    	Cheers Dougie.               
    
    P.s. the car causing the problem is a Ford Capri.
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2208.1Brute force but not to much ignorance is required!WELCLU::YOUNGPolicemen aren't nasty peopleThu Jan 20 1994 02:0329
    
    
    Sounds as if you were told right, what is required is a sudden jolt to
    free the friction plate from the flywheel, try turning over on the
    starter while in gear with the clutch pedal depressed (and the wheels
    well chocked) however if it doesn't free in a couple of short sharp
    attempts give up on this route or you will nacker the starter/ring
    gear.
    Alternatively you could try pushing/towing with it in gear (1st)and the
    clutch depressed.
    
    Does your car have an inspection plate on the bottom of the bellhousing
    you could try a couple of taps on the clutch assy through the
    inspection hole or remove the starter and go through that hole (again
    with clutch depressed)
    
    Or you could put the car in gear, get someone to depress the clutch
    pedal and try turning the engine over by hand with a socket on the end
    of the crank-shaft.
    
    Basically you need to force the flywheel and the clutch friction plate
    to separate, all the above (apart from the tap with the hammer) are
    attempts at this.
    
    Failing all these it's time for the gearbox to come out! 8*)
    
    Good luck keep us posted!
    
    Richard
2208.2Maybe I should just walk....KIRKTN::DALEXANDERMy hovercraft is full of eelsThu Jan 20 1994 08:467
    >>failing that it's time for the gearbox to come out.8*)
    
    With the luck I have with cars that is just what will have to
    happen.8*((
    
    Dougie.
    	
2208.3Been there, done that...VANGA::KERRELLThe first word in DECUS is DigitalThu Jan 20 1994 11:024
Taking the gearbox off a Ford Capri is sooo easy. You can change the whole
clutch in about 30 minutes with a socket set, an alignment tool and some ramps.

Dave.
2208.4YUPPY::BUSHAlive and KickingThu Jan 20 1994 13:455
    
    	Push the clutch down with a broom handle, wedge aforementioned
    broom handle in this position and leave overnight!!!!
    
    I read this in, I think, Performance Car. It actually worked as well!!
2208.5SBPUS4::MarkThu Jan 20 1994 13:534
Put the car in 2nd gear, pref. on a road or long drive, with the handbrake 
off. Turn the starter motor until it starts (it will lurch forward whilst 
it's trying to do this. You may want to have already run the engine to make 
sure it will start easily). The kick as it fires will free it.
2208.6Get it warm first.ROCKS::CAMPThu Jan 20 1994 14:197
    As .5 mentioned but before you do it let the engine get up to working
    temperature that way it will fire and run more easily.
    
    Re: Tow starting a car. Its not a good idea to attempt to start it
    1st, far better to use 3rd or 4th as its a lot less strain on the
    transmission, tyres and nerves, but you need to be quick with the
    clutch.
2208.7CGOOA::PITULEYAin't technology wonderful?Thu Jan 20 1994 18:546
    
    Could it be something as simple as a hydraulic clutch that's out of
    fluid??
    
    Brian
    
2208.8probably not....WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Thu Jan 20 1994 19:236
    
    ...Not on a 2.8 Capri......
    
    assuming, of course it's the same car... %^)
    
    G
2208.9give it a bangKERNEL::BARTHURFri Jan 21 1994 12:5518
    
    Had exactly the same with the old Jag and i nearly gave up, it took
    ages to free it. Here's how.
    
    Start the car and let it get really warm, ie; ticking over for an hour.
    Switch off and leave for twenty, so the heat gets into the ring gear.
    
    Put the car in top, handbrake on tight and "jolt" the starter while
    pumping the clutch pedal. Eventually it will come off and when you slip
    the clutch you'll probably hear the rust being cleaned off the
    flywheel.
    
    Alernatively, tie the bottoms of your trousers round your legs, find a
    straight clear piece of road, into gear handbrake off and bounce the
    car forward on the starter. Entertaining and quite effective.
    
    Bill 
    
2208.10More of same.CMOTEC::JASPERStuck on the Flypaper of LifeMon Jan 24 1994 13:419
    
    ... I started my car in 1st gear (on an empty road :^))  then depressed
    the clutch to the floor & held it there. Next I continually Kangarood
    the car by stamping on the accelerator then letting the pedal fly up by
    slipping my foot off it. It took about 3 minutes of this shock treat
    ment before the clutch plate freed off.
    
    Tony
    
2208.11Is THAT what you were doing Tony? 8^)CMOTEC::POWELLNostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?Mon Jan 24 1994 15:320
2208.12Sticking clutch kamikazesolutionKIRKTN::BHAILEMon Feb 07 1994 06:0310
    With reference to your clutch problem, I,ve heard of this solution but
    never tried it...... Warm the engine up to normal temperature, jack the
    car up putting all four corners on axle stands.Get the speedo up to
    about 80mph, preferably in fourth then hit the brakes... and pray.I
    have it on good authority that this works, but I have always avoided
    the problem by keeping the clutch pedal depressed with a block of wood
    during long term storage.
    		Goodluck, might be a good idea to have your garage door
    open!
    				brian.
2208.13Well did yo free it or not DougieWELCLU::YOUNGPolicemen aren't nasty peopleFri Apr 15 1994 15:114
    
    Well Dougie you never actually told us whether you free'd it and how!
    
    Richard