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1075.1 | Blackleg! | OVAL::KERRELLD | sponplatter lager | Thu May 17 1990 21:21 | 5 |
| P&O? Are they not the operator that puts profit above customer/employee
safety? Did they not sack a load of striking employees who were concerned
about their managements attitude to safety?
Dave.
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1075.2 | You can always trust a capitalist. | RUTILE::SMITH_A | No-one puts baby in the corner | Sun May 20 1990 19:02 | 11 |
| Amazed, moi aussi !
Phoned P&O office in Calais to book a crossing in July and had the
same deal. Give 'em your name, car type, and registration.
They give you a reference number.
Bosh - pay up at the port in the currency of your choice. Biz deal
IMHO.
T - he of the black legs.
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1075.3 | | CHEFS::CLEMENTSD | Public Sector and Telecomms | Mon May 21 1990 14:48 | 8 |
| re -2.....
Agree that Brittany Ferries have the best boats, by far.
Never EVER travel Sealink unless you can guarantee a French boat
on bith legs......
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1075.4 | | OVAL::KERRELLD | sponplatter lager | Mon May 21 1990 16:36 | 7 |
| re .3:
I've travelled Sealink a lot (and not always on the French ships) and the
only problem I have experienced is with loading chaos on the Calais side
delaying the ship on two occasions.
Dave.
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1075.5 | | DOOZER::JENKINS | A Fiesta of Dorises | Tue May 22 1990 20:43 | 16 |
1075.6 | Confidence inspiring...! | BONNET::MARTIN | The Corporate Rat - 828 6236 | Tue May 22 1990 22:05 | 6 |
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P&O had a slight problem on Sunday with one of their boats,
apparently the Captain fell off the bridge in Calais and broke his
leg... resulting in the ferry being delayed by just under 2 hours...
Rat took the Hovercraft
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1075.7 | More confidence inspiring stuff | TMCUK2::MOXLEY | The Wild Heart | Wed May 23 1990 15:38 | 10 |
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There we were, waiting in Calais for our (P&O) ferry to sail, it was
sunny, I was at peace with the world. Next door in the dock, was a
Sealink vessel, it was making preparations to leave too, it was testing
the lifeboats, it started to lower one, and the davitt (type of crane
thing), just snapped, dropping the lifeboat 50/60ft.... SPLASH!
We all cheered, one of those moments when a video camera was required.
Simon
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1075.8 | P & O ? Better bring your bathers. | YUPPY::FINN | | Wed May 23 1990 17:43 | 1 |
| Still, at least you know that Sealink test the lifeboats.
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1075.9 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Wed May 23 1990 18:43 | 7 |
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Re: .-1
...yes, it's nice to know there is going to be *lots* of bits of wood
to hang onto in the water...
;-)
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1075.10 | Ferry update anyone? | VOGON::KAPPLER | Spontaneity is fine in it's place.... | Tue Jan 28 1992 13:02 | 13 |
| Dover ferry services update required:
1) Do the Hovercraft still run? If not
a) What has replaced them?
b) What are they like?
2) Which of the Ferry Operators is recommended? P&O seem to have been
(with their "Business Class"). Are they still?
3) What other routes are recommended for an overnight crossing on
a nice boat en route from Reading to Nice?
JK
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1075.11 | | UFHIS::GVIPOND | | Tue Jan 28 1992 13:16 | 4 |
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I beleive the Hoover crafts dont run in winter. is it still winter in
the UK ?
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1075.12 | Fun in the sun, binned in the wind | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Tue Jan 28 1992 13:40 | 9 |
| the hovercrafts have been replaced by the seacat, a small twin hulled
ferry that can carry about 40-60 vehicles, and is faster than a
standard ferry.
Only trouble is is so small it's not very stable so if you suffer from
sea sickness avoid it. Oh, it also gets cancelled in bad weather, and
the french are a$$$$$$s at arranging alternative transport.
Richard
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1075.13 | Take a longer crossing? | HEWIE::RUSSELL | Hari Krishna, Hari Ramsden, Hari Hari | Tue Jan 28 1992 14:12 | 15 |
| For getting to Nice, I'd recommend using a longer crossing, and go overnight.
Say Southampton to Le Havre on P&O.
You're then left with about 700 miles, which you could do in a single run
if your in a hurry. The overnight ferry gets into Le Havre at about 6:00 am.
re the hovercraft; .-2 is correct. The Seacats are faster than the ferries,
but slower then the hovercraft. Some people do apparantly find them
less stable than the ferries (that's one of the reasons why they don't
use them on the longer runs.)
Pop into a travel agent and check, as they are often re-furbishing ferries
at this time of year, so you may not get the boat you expect...
Peter.
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1075.14 | Seacat explained a little | PLAYER::WINPENNY | | Tue Jan 28 1992 15:17 | 17 |
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The Seacat curently holds the Blue Ribband. That's the prize for the
fastest crossing of the Atlantic by a passenger carrying vessel.
I don't see how anything that can cross the atlantic (something which
I've never heard a standard ferry of doing) can be put of by channel
conditions.
I've been on one of these things and it is quite stable. The speed is
not far behind that of an hovercraft but unlike an hovercraft you can
walk freely about onboard, again an indication of its stability.
As for longer runs I believe it's first passenger service was between
Portsmouth and Le Havre.
Chris
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1075.15 | Don't you believe it! | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Tue Jan 28 1992 16:31 | 26 |
| > <<< Note 1075.14 by PLAYER::WINPENNY >>>
>> -< Seacat explained a little >-
>> I don't see how anything that can cross the atlantic (something which
>> I've never heard a standard ferry of doing) can be put of by channel
>> conditions.
Been there seen it done it! Sunday 1st september, booked on seacat
calais dover return 5:20pm french time. Arrive at 4:30 "Welcome,
seacat's cancelled, don't know when you'll be able to go"
At various times there were announcements, offers to transfer to
dunkirk/ramsgate, an hours car drive and about a 4 hour ferry crossing,
no thanks.
Around 7:15 an announcement came about a few places on another ferry,
there was a mad scrabble followed by a lot of arguing, untill I
suggested they selected based on the time the ticked was stamped. Light
dawned on the french administrators, and we eventually got one of the
10 places available.
Got back to UK about 4 hours late, and gratefull I'd been aggressive
enough.
Richard
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1075.16 | | DCC::HAGARTY | Essen, Trinken und Shaggen... | Tue Jan 28 1992 17:42 | 3 |
1075.17 | October 18th 1991 | SUBURB::GROOMN | I drank the World Cup dry | Tue Jan 28 1992 19:27 | 9 |
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I travelled Calais-Dover on Seacat in a force-9. Apart from the first
25 mins when we were broadside to both wind and sea (an interesting
experience in a small craft) the crossing was impressively smooth.
Once the boat turned into the wind, the 3-hull design enabled it to cut
through the waves rather than get tossed about by them.
Nev.
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1075.18 | No Contest - Portsmouth-Le Havre by P&O | LARVAE::LEYTON | Richard | Tue Jan 28 1992 19:54 | 11 |
| In answer to the question a few back, Reading to Nice, P&O Portsmouth
Le Havre has to be the one to go for (I usually do it 2 or 3 times a
year). Either go overnight, if you are in time to book a cabin, or
take the afternoon crossing - get off the boat late evening and drive
just round Paris before bedding down for the night (the IBIS at Evry or
the Campanile a couple of junctions before Evry (on the A6) are very
convenient - the former is probably better because they have a 24 hour
reception). Then it's off after a leisurely breakfast to be in Nice
(or perhaps Valbonne) before 17.00.
Richard
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1075.19 | Hover still going | DOOZER::JENKINS | Another 'ken year | Tue Jan 28 1992 20:52 | 8 |
|
The Seacat hasn't replaced all the hovercraft, they still run with
some frequency between Dover -> Calais and Dover -> Bolougne.
The Seacat seems to be in addition to the hovercraft and sails about
ten times a day.
Richard.
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1075.20 | Tel No. 4 P&O Please. | BERN04::SIMONS | The 1st `True Blue` + 12 gold stars | Wed Jan 29 1992 10:53 | 8 |
| Hi
Does anybody have the telephone No. of P&O so that I can book a place for my
car on Sunday.
TTFN
Paul
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1075.21 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | What 'Good Old Days?' | Wed Jan 29 1992 11:31 | 9 |
| P&O can be found on (Int'l) +44 (0)304-223429, ask for car bookings.
They have a problem with their phones at the moment.
For anyone interested, the ferries plying the Felixstowe-Zeebrugge
route are being re-furbished ready for the summer, and the replacements
have *no sleeping accomodation*. On a 7 hour night crossing, this is
less than amusing.....
Laurie.
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1075.22 | As requested. | BIS1::BHD161::HARRISON | | Wed Jan 29 1992 11:35 | 28 |
|
re: .20
The phone numbers of P&O include:
Dover - 0304 203388
London - 081 575 8555
M25/Thurrock - 0708 865025
Felixstowe - 0394 604040
Portsmouth - 0705 827677
Calais - 21 46 10 10
Ostend - 059 / 55 99 55
Le Havre - 35 21 36 50
Brittany ferries Portmouth/Caen are also worth thinking about if you
are going down that way.
Mike H.
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1075.23 | Recent feedback | CHEFS::OSBORNEC | | Thu Jan 30 1992 11:05 | 20 |
|
Did Reading/Nice last week. Used P&O, as always -- good.
Caught the 1030 ex Dover, arr Calais 1245 local. Stopped at Valence,
south of Lyons, first night.
Spent Saturday on a gentle drive over the hills & Route Napoleon to
Antibes. My usual route -- Crest, Die , Digne, Sisteron, Castellane,
Grasse, Antibes.
Very easy journey. Not much snow. Only excitement was 20 kms of white
knuckle stuff around Digne where 1000's (literally) of crazy drivers
coming the other way travelling between Monte Carlo Rallye stages.
The real competitors were (normally) OK -- the spectators & hangers-on
were a real pain, wanting my side of the road as well as theirs,
straight-lining all the blinds bends etc.......
Colin
Colin
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1075.24 | 50% discount with shares! | VOGON::DAWSON | Turn ignition on - Turn brain off! | Thu Jan 30 1992 11:38 | 9 |
| A nice way to travel P&O is to buy shares and get a 50% discount!! Did
this many years ago (when it was European Ferries) and must have got my
monies worth 10x over doing the Felixstow-Zeebrugge route to Holland.
Mind you, I didn't think the ferries were much to go by in those days
(apart from falling over) - the service on some of the other lines,
including Sealink, was apparently much better. It would appear from
some of these replies that P&O have got their act together well.
Colin
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1075.25 | | VOGON::KAPPLER | Spontaneity is fine in it's place.... | Thu Jan 30 1992 12:15 | 18 |
1075.26 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | What 'Good Old Days?' | Thu Jan 30 1992 15:28 | 4 |
| I still have my shares, still get the discount, the ferries are much
better, and yes, they're paid for times over.
Laurie.
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1075.27 | Questions on P&O shares | DOOZER::JENKINS | Another 'ken year | Thu Jan 30 1992 15:47 | 6 |
|
How many shares do you have to own to get the discount? Do you have
to have held them for a given period?
Thanks.
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1075.28 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | What 'Good Old Days?' | Thu Jan 30 1992 16:08 | 9 |
| The discount (roughly) falls into two types, 25% and 50%. For the
former, you need 300 Preferential shares (99p each roughly), for the
full 50%, you need 600 Preferential shares.
They must be held by the 31st December preceding the year of travel,
they can be held in joint names. The shareholder must be in the party
travelling (rarely checked).
Laurie.
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1075.29 | Thanks for the info | DOOZER::JENKINS | Another 'ken year | Thu Jan 30 1992 20:47 | 2 |
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1075.30 | Nearly here ... | CHEFS::OSBORNEC | | Fri Jan 31 1992 11:08 | 6 |
|
Troyes gap was still there last week. The dreaded A77 was it's usual
busy self.
Gap due to be filled this summer, but haven't got the latest expected
completion date.
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1075.31 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Tue Feb 04 1992 20:05 | 10 |
| Are you sure that P&O shares are only 99p each ?
I'm sure they are about 400 - 500p each.
I remember back in 1982(I think) thinking about investing a couple of
grand into P&O ....Anyway the shares were at 115p each , with a low of
85, so I thought I would wait and watch the market....Next week a take
over bid from Trafalgar House and the price never looked back...Had a
high of about 600p pre 87 crash.
KR
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1075.32 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | I take my hat off to Georgie B | Tue Feb 04 1992 20:34 | 12 |
1075.33 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Wed Feb 05 1992 14:02 | 1 |
| Makes it a good deal then !
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1075.34 | Sailing From Poole. | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Wed Feb 05 1992 14:22 | 19 |
|
On the subject of ferries for the trip to Le Mans, one of the people I
go with was looking at cost last week. In the past we have gone
Portsmouth to Caen. It cost a fortune if you go sealink on one of the
shorter crossings and also means a long drive at the other end. Our
problem is that we take a Range rover and also tow a large trailer.
He's looked at a company called , I think trucklines. The downer is
they sail from Poole and dump to in Cherbourg, the + side is that the
sailing time is shorter is shorter that portsmouth/caen and the cost is
about 50% of the britanny cost to caen. I doesn't make that difference
to us if we go to Poole or Portsmouth we have to circumnavigate London
Via the M25 or drive throught the middle.
If anyone knows , or has any experiance on doing that journey from
Poole I would be intrested to hear.
Garry
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1075.35 | OK, I understand. | NEWOA::SAXBY | Is Bart Simpson the Anti-Christ? | Wed Feb 05 1992 14:43 | 7 |
|
My father went on a trip to France on this ferry line/route.
Apparently the ferries are a bit basic compared with P&O, but what
do you expect for 50% cheaper?
Mark
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1075.36 | | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Wed Feb 05 1992 15:04 | 7 |
| A bit basic.......
What about some of the older Sealink rust buckets.....
Garry
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1075.37 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Don't rate 'em meself | Wed Feb 05 1992 15:14 | 6 |
1075.38 | They are good enough... | JUNO::JUPP | | Wed Feb 05 1992 17:40 | 15 |
1075.39 | Trucklines ~ Brittany | BIS1::BHD161::HARRISON | | Wed Feb 05 1992 17:59 | 7 |
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re: Trucklines, they are associated in some way with Brittany Ferries,
I think a subsidiary (or sibling) company.
Mike H.
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1075.40 | Ta... | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Wed Feb 05 1992 18:16 | 9 |
| Thanks for the info.
Unless someone get a finger out we might have to go that way.
Garry
( he who sorts out camping and track tickets at Le mans)
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1075.41 | and to Paris? | SUBURB::SPRULESA | | Wed Feb 05 1992 20:59 | 16 |
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I'm travelling to Paris (Evry) for a meeting at the end of the month.
What are the views on ferries/routes etc.
I normally use Dover/Calais but have never been to Evry, it seems a
little difficult to get to (on a map).
Also comments on the travel time for Calais to Evry (or another to
Evry) would be appreciated so I can plan the trip.
Thanks
Andy
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1075.42 | | MAJORS::QUICK | Fubb | Wed Feb 05 1992 21:13 | 12 |
1075.43 | Truckline... not just Trucks! | HEWIE::RUSSELL | Hari Krishna, Hari Ramsden, Hari Hari | Thu Feb 06 1992 01:55 | 16 |
| We used Truckline for our summer hols last summer, and it was fine.
As mentioned, it is a little basic, but it had all the essentials.
There were enough seats for everyone, and the food in the cafe was
passable.
Cherbourg isn't too far out of the way; roughly one hour or so before
you hit auto-route. There is some dual carriageway, and some ordinary
bits.
I'd use it again, especially given the cost savings.
Peter.
P.S. it's either a subsiduary or an "associate" of Brittany Ferries.
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1075.44 | Bon voyage | DOOZER::JENKINS | Another 'ken year | Thu Feb 06 1992 04:23 | 20 |
|
How long is the crossing using the "Truckliners" route?
Re : Calais -> Evry
The trip is about four hours and as Mr Quick said the A1 is boring!
The alternative to the Perepherique, the A86 or N186 depending on
which signs you see always seems to me to be very hard to find coming
from the North, but well signed on the way back from Evry. It's
a road worth finding and maybe a French noter could offer some pointers
as to its completeness and how to find it?
If you can't find the A86, the 'other' route A1 -> A3 (sp Lyon)
-> Perepherique -> A6 (sp Lyon/Orly) is well marked. Evry is well
signed from the A6.
Richard.
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1075.45 | | HEWIE::RUSSELL | Hari Krishna, Hari Ramsden, Hari Hari | Thu Feb 06 1992 14:27 | 6 |
1075.46 | This help ? | SBPEXE::PREECE | Just gimme the VAX, ma'am... | Thu Feb 06 1992 17:21 | 23 |
1075.47 | P. & O. shareholder! | SUBURB::POWELLM | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be! | Wed Apr 07 1993 17:34 | 31 |
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Re.28 and following, about discounts on P. & O. ferries if one owns
300/600 Preference shares, the 25/50% discounts only apply on the Dover
and Felixstowe routes. Can't remember the Irish routes but certainly
on the Portsmouth routes, the discount is only 20/40%. Since the fares
are so much higher than Dover routes, they are still substantial
savings.
When I go over to drive down to Gibraltar, I've been going
Portsmouth/Cherbourg overnight (which allows me to stop the following
night in the French Basque - Pyrennes area) and I fill up with Diesel
at Auchan at Cherbourg where it is cheapest in France (and much cheaper
than Great Britain). My question is:
If I go Portsmouth/Le Havre instead
(the night crossing is slightly longer allowing a little more sleep),
is there an Auchan filling station in or very close to Le Havre?
I normally make my way to Tours and then down the Autoroute to
Bordeaux. On the Map, it looks as though Le Havre - Tours is somewhat
shorter and quicker than Cherbourg - Tours. What does the (with
experience of these routes) panel have to comment about these two
options?
From Cherbourg to Tours, I find that I have to pass Caen, but P. &
O. don't go to Caen!
I once tried Portsmouth/St Malo but never again, not on a day
sailing anyway. Diesel prices in and around St Malo were at about GB
prices!!!! Not only that, it seems an awfull long way before one
reaches "fast" roads.
Malcolm. 8-)
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