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2288.1 | | COMICS::FISCHER | Life's a big banana sandwich | Mon Aug 01 1994 14:17 | 1 |
| I think it's a Cavalier 1.6 LS
|
2288.4 | 1995 Lease Prices | WELCLU::FAITHFULL | | Tue Aug 02 1994 18:50 | 8 |
|
Just looking thro' the 'driver prices' on VTX as amended August 1st and
noticed the Omega range has dropped significantly, but the Frontera
prices have risen.
Any lease scheme which does that can't be all bad!
8-)
|
2288.5 | Oh .. nearly forgot ... | WELCLU::FAITHFULL | | Tue Aug 02 1994 19:02 | 8 |
|
.. and as an afterthought, I've knocked out a simple Excel spreadsheet
to calculate the lease scheme cost plus tax liability so's to see the
real annual cost of running a leased car. I can mail a copy to
interested parties ..
Mike.
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2288.6 | yes please!!! | ERMTRD::BURKE | Loose chippings on the info highway | Tue Aug 02 1994 20:14 | 1 |
|
|
2288.7 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Tue Aug 02 1994 20:27 | 1 |
| Why not post a pointer in here?
|
2288.8 | Don't point .. it's rude | WELCLU::FAITHFULL | | Tue Aug 02 1994 21:14 | 6 |
|
Re: .3 I only have A1 access. I'm happy to send anyone a copy who can
then make it accessible on a network node (is that what you call 'em?)
Have a nice day y'all.
|
2288.9 | 2020? | PEKING::GERRYT | | Wed Aug 03 1994 17:15 | 5 |
| Mike, have you got it on 2020?
Cheers,
Tim
|
2288.10 | 2020? HOW old are you? | WELCLU::FAITHFULL | | Thu Aug 04 1994 16:22 | 9 |
| Re: .5 No, but it's so simple it wouldn't take much to convert.
I was rather hoping one of the recipients would have made it available
from their system with a pointer in here by now.
(After looking at it, perhaps they've only got disap-pointers)
8-)
|
2288.11 | Network copy (XLS) | WOTVAX::DORANA | Return of the killer jellyfish | Thu Aug 04 1994 19:25 | 7 |
| A location for the Excel Spreadsheet is:-
DELBOY::PCSA_USER:[DORANA.PUBLIC]CARSCHME.XLS
Cheers,
Andy
|
2288.12 | another spreadsheet | DELBOY::sdemo7.olo.dec.com::couplands | | Fri Aug 05 1994 13:21 | 26 |
| Hi,
If you're interested....
I have an excel spreadsheet that calculates the entire cost of ownership,
including lease cost, car tax, business fuel, private fuel and works in your
car allowance.
Interestingly enough, fuel consumption has a much bigger effect on the
overall cost than worrying about car tax and/or lease cost (at least if your
doing more than 18k).
The bottom line figure it generates is the monthly cost (in hard cash) to run
your company car.
You can find it in:
delboy::pcsa_user:[couplands.public]car_cost.xls (excel V5)
delboy::pcsa_user:[couplands.public]car_cost.xl4 (excel V4)
Someone may care to check the car tax formula I used, I cross checked it with
the previous carschme.xls and it got a different answer..!!
cheers
simon
|
2288.2 | Spreadsheet for Lease or not decision | WELCLU::SUTCLIFFEJ | | Fri Aug 05 1994 14:30 | 11 |
| Hi,
Does anyone have a spreadsheet which calculates the costs of leasing or
renting on the car scheme ? If so could you possibly place this on the
network somewhere.
If not I'll continue working on my model.
Regards,
Jonathan
|
2288.13 | A Numeric inexactitude I think .. | WELCLU::FAITHFULL | | Wed Sep 07 1994 18:38 | 18 |
| re: .12
Yep, I think your tax liability calculation is wrong, if I've
understood the formula in your spreadsheet correctly.
It should be: R%((LP*.35)*.67)
where R% = 25% 0r 40% (being the rate at which you pay tax)
and LP = manufacturer's list price of the car
because the tax liability is calculated on 35% of the car's list price
- ie you pay tax (at your tax rate) on 35% of the car's cost, but you
get a one third discount if you do more than 2500 business miles, or a
two thirds discount if you do more than 18000 business miles. The
formula above, therefore, assumes 2500<business miles<18000.
Make sense?
|
2288.14 | 16v for old price? | WELCLU::YOUNG | Policemen aren't nasty people | Tue Sep 20 1994 19:47 | 6 |
|
Vauxhall have discontinued the old cooking model 2.0I engine and only
now list the 2.0I 16v ecotec for the Cavalier does the panel think we
are going to get that engine at the current vtx 94 model prices?
Richard
|
2288.15 | Cheap Calibra | WELSWS::MCANDREW | | Wed Sep 21 1994 16:50 | 3 |
| Please ask him to post details of quote here!!!
Frank
|
2288.16 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Wed Sep 21 1994 18:11 | 6 |
2288.17 | Power to (some) people | WELCLU::DREW | Not another marzipan mercenary ! | Fri Sep 23 1994 23:10 | 5 |
| Re. 14
Are you sure you could handle a Calibra Richard ?
GD.
|
2288.18 | | CHEFS::MARCHR::marchr | | Thu Oct 27 1994 20:12 | 1 |
| Anybody been daft enough to get a quote for a 325i coupe, with a/c ideally?
|
2288.19 | New Astra's | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Tue Nov 08 1994 17:37 | 8 |
| Hi All,
Has anyone had quotes for the new Astra's (1.6i 16V and 1.8i 16V) ??
If not, how do I go about getting a quote for these as they aren't mentioned
on the preferred car list on VTX.
Barry
|
2288.20 | I Tried.... | UBOHUB::KING_I | | Wed Nov 09 1994 10:28 | 6 |
| Fleet don't have prices yet, 'cos the dealers don't either, at least
that's what Kennings said last week.
|
2288.21 | Normal VTX prices?? | YUPPY::SACKMANJ | I was dreaming of the past... | Mon Nov 14 1994 14:55 | 5 |
| I took delivery, last month, of a 1.6 16V GLS. I paid the price quoted on
VTX (I hope!). I did use the quote number on VTX so I assume I'll pay
the rate quoted.
Jon.
|
2288.22 | Frontara quotes?? | BAHTAT::62621::HANNAN | | Mon Nov 14 1994 16:41 | 2 |
| Any quotes on Frontera's?
|
2288.23 | | COMICS::FISCHER | I've got a rainbow in my pocket | Mon Nov 14 1994 18:02 | 1 |
| VTX?
|
2288.23 | . | WELSWS::HEDLEY | Lager Lout | Fri Nov 18 1994 16:34 | 0 |
2288.24 | Zantia quotes ??? | BAHTAT::62621::HANNAN | | Tue Nov 22 1994 19:11 | 2 |
| Has anyone had any quotes for a Citreon Zantia?
|
2288.25 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Tue Nov 22 1994 20:26 | 7 |
| Does anyone know of _any_ current quotes ?
It seems very quiet on the quote front. Maybe everyone is either
resigned to getting a Vauxhall off the list or opted out the scheme
(or resigned, period!).
Royston
|
2288.26 | It is spelt Xantia! | CMOTEC::POWELL | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it? | Wed Nov 23 1994 15:21 | 13 |
| Re.24
>>>Title: Zantia quotes ???
>>>Has anyone had any quotes for a Citreon Zantia?
Spelt Xantia!
PRONOUNCED Zantia.
Malcolm
|
2288.27 | An end to this misery? | CHEFS::MARCHR::marchr | | Wed Nov 23 1994 15:32 | 9 |
| Re.25
It's a grim thought isn't it...
There was a rumour sometime ago that Fleet didn't make the forecast quota
that entitles Digital to the special price on Vauxhalls. Any update? Was it
true? Or was it just a load of b*llocks?
Rupert
|
2288.28 | | COMICS::FISCHER | I've got a rainbow in my pocket | Wed Nov 23 1994 17:21 | 1 |
| I think the latter is true
|
2288.29 | Astra convertible 1.6 | ROTHKO::AUSTIN | | Wed Nov 23 1994 17:35 | 10 |
|
Hi,
Has anybody had a quote for the Astra 1.6 convertible ?
On VTX it says TBA
Thanks,
Simon Austin
|
2288.30 | | RIOT02::KING | | Wed Nov 23 1994 19:57 | 4 |
|
I think it's about 3,900. Carfleet have the exact price...
Chris.
|
2288.31 | exact price is.. | SAC::KERRISON_G | Open air Martini drinker | Thu Nov 24 1994 17:39 | 12 |
|
Car fleet says the price is 3,966 for the
1.6 astra convertible
no news yet on the 1.8 convertible astra though
- the 2.0 is being dropped.
Gary
|
2288.32 | Backdated increase in retail prices | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Tue Dec 06 1994 13:05 | 20 |
2288.33 | CD Calibra | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Descale my Think Tank | Tue Dec 06 1994 14:28 | 4 |
| Anyone got a figure for the 804 CD in a Calibra? Its quoted at #169 for
the Omega but not on the Calibra option list.
Thanks
|
2288.34 | I'm all right Jack! | CHEFS::MARCHR::marchr | | Tue Dec 06 1994 14:57 | 9 |
2288.35 | | KERNEL::WITHALLG | The Hero | Thu Dec 08 1994 16:46 | 5 |
|
On my last company car they forgot to add the cost of insurance, as
they did to about 40 of us. Lease quotes in this case were honoured.
Gary
|
2288.36 | price confusion on astra gls & sport ? | BRIEIS::BARKER_E | test dummy | Mon Dec 19 1994 19:47 | 18 |
| I picked up the price list from the local Vauxhall dealers on Saturday
and am confused ...
The astra 1.6i sport is list price of 11,985, car scheme is 3043
The astra 1.6i GLS is list price of 12,565, car scheme is 2787
The astra 1.7TD Sport is list price of 12,215, car scheme is 3017
The astra 1.7TD GLS is list price of 12,795, car scheme is 2818
Why are the car scheme prices more for the Sport than the GLS when
the list price is nearly 600 pounds cheaper ? Is this a sign of
increasing prices on the car scheme ?
If I'm missing something blatantly obvious then apologies, this is
the first time I've compared prices properly.
Euan
|
2288.37 | | FORTY2::HOWELL | Just get to the point... | Mon Dec 19 1994 19:51 | 5 |
| Not that I know for definite, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the
simple existance of the letters S,P,O,R and T after the 1.6i bit :-|
Cheers,
Dan
|
2288.38 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Mon Dec 19 1994 19:59 | 19 |
| The list price and lease cost doesn't necessary match up (just
look at the Tigra prices).
The Astra GLS and Sport (TD) are both insurance group 9 so 'Sport'
doesn't make any difference in this case.
Perhaps the lease costs will fall into line when all the models
are update in July.
It could also be that good deals have already been arranged on
more popular midels thereby allowing a more favourable lease cost
than on lower sales volumes of 'niche' models. The Sport is a quite
recent addition to the Astra family.
The Astra GLS is very good value on the preferred list right if
that sort of car is for you.
Royston
|
2288.39 | Citroen Xantia 1.9 TX LX for 3553 Expensive? | SAC::MAGUIRE_G | | Tue Dec 20 1994 14:37 | 9 |
|
Recieved a quote yesterday for a Citroen Xantia 1.9 TD LX 5 door in
black for 3553.
Is this a little steep?
What do you think?
G.
|
2288.40 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Tue Dec 20 1994 16:00 | 13 |
2288.41 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Tue Dec 20 1994 18:47 | 7 |
2288.42 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Thu Dec 22 1994 14:11 | 18 |
| Fume! Fume!
How penny pinching can you get !
I had my Hertz Cavalier serviced at a Vauxhall main dealer last week
and yesterday I check the washer bottle as the washer were frozen.
I was alarmed that although the bottle had been topped up it was
obvious that no screen wash additive had been used.
I phoned the garage this morning to ask if this was the case and
was advised that they top up the washer bottle but Hertz won't pay
for any windscreen wash anti-freeze additive.
I suppose they don't change the oil filter and use recycled oil as
well!
What a joke.
Royston
|
2288.43 | suggestions for new car? | WELSWS::HEDLEY | Lager Lout | Wed Jan 04 1995 16:49 | 12 |
| It's reached that time when my car is almost at the end of its lease, and
I now have to look around for another. It doesn't seem to be a very good
time, as many of the popular cars around at the moment seem to be almost
end-of-life. I currently drive a Rover 214, and am consequently looking
for something in the same sort of price bracket (around 3000-3500 on the
car scheme), and have been wondering about the likes of the Mondeo and the
Xantia; whatever I get needs to be reasonably practical, not look old-
fashioned in a years' time, not too expensive, and do 0-60 in 10 seconds!
Any suggestions?
Cheers,
Chris.
|
2288.44 | | BAHTAT::CARTER_A | Mustrum Ridcully the AC | Wed Jan 04 1995 17:07 | 7 |
| Chris, you're about 3 months ahead of me. I bet you can't replace the
Rover with something similar (but non-Vauxhall) in the same price
bracket.
Looks like we'll both be chucking Rovers for Astras :-(
Andy
|
2288.45 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Wed Jan 04 1995 17:11 | 3 |
| The Astra Sport 1.8 16v at 3300ish looks a reasonably good deal.
Royston
|
2288.46 | Rover 214 on scheme => opted out 306 | BRUMMY::WALLACE_J | a57 IRQs and nothing on | Wed Jan 04 1995 18:12 | 13 |
| Well when my Rover 214GSi lease ran out earlier this year and I found
Fleet prices for 214s were only 200 pounds per year less than
Discovery (which I can't afford to run) I took the plunge and opted
out. I just happen not to like Cavaliers or Astras. Other people do.
If I could have got Rover employee scheme prices (any reasonably close
relative an employee of BAe or Rover, I wonder if that still applies) I
would have had another 214.
But I'm not eligible, and that, together with the exorbitant insurance
prices I was quoted for the Rover, meant looking elsewhere. Since
September I have been driving a Peugeot 306XTdt, which seems pretty
good so far (except for the lack of in-car stash space).
|
2288.47 | Being delivered tomorrow | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Wed Jan 04 1995 19:01 | 5 |
| I've got one of the Astra 1.8 Sport's arriving tomorrow
and I too thought the lease was reasonable at 3399 !!
Barry
(glad to get rid of the Hyundai Lantra hire car)
|
2288.48 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Wed Jan 04 1995 19:12 | 7 |
2288.49 | Will do....... | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Wed Jan 04 1995 19:43 | 29 |
| Royston,
Previous to the hire car I currently have, I had a Cavalier
2.0 16V SRi.........I then went to test drive the Astra Sports
and was pleasantly surprised.
The interior was nearly exactly the same apart from the smaller
amount of free space.....although I wouldn't say it was that
noticable.
The Astra seemed to have all the gadgets and extras that the
SRi had with the one exception of electric wing-mirrors.
Also the Astra did seem quite pokey and very willing to get up
to the higher rev ranges that 16V cars relish. The ride and road
were also pretty good.
Obviously, this car is not up to the exceptional performance of
last years Astra GSI's and doesnt have the extra space of the
Cavalier Sri but in my honest opinion it is pretty good value and
for a man in my situation ie. no wife and kids, about the perfect
size.
Lets see if I'm as happy about this car after the next week or so !!
Barry
(BTW - I do 500+ miles a week and in a month of looking I have only
seen one Astra Sport on the roads, I wonder if this is a good sign
or not ??)
|
2288.50 | | WOTVAX::HARRISC | Craig Harris @ OLO | Thu Jan 05 1995 12:19 | 8 |
| Re -1
I got mine yesterday. So far I'm impressed, I'll post more later.
Regards,
Craig.
|
2288.51 | Back-hander | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:30 | 5 |
| Craig,
What car did you have before ??
Barry
|
2288.52 | Got it !! | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Thu Jan 05 1995 17:24 | 5 |
| Just taken delivery...........had a bit of a spin and am well impressed. After
having the Hyundai Lantra 1.5 GLS for a couple of months.....the Astra seems like it
wants to take off !!
Barry
|
2288.53 | List price changes | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Tue Jan 17 1995 19:42 | 20 |
2288.54 | How long for a quote? | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Tue Jan 31 1995 17:12 | 5 |
| What's the quote turnaround time like at the moment?
Cheers,
Greg
|
2288.55 | | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Tue Jan 31 1995 20:31 | 4 |
| A few days, for what it is worth, I haven't been able to find any cars
which are equivalent value to the Vauxhalls, yet.
tmp
|
2288.56 | Re 2290.19 | LARVAE::64419::JORDAN_C | Chris Jordan, DC is dead, long live SI | Fri Feb 03 1995 14:48 | 8 |
| Why the difference??
'cos that is TWO people after the same car - and that means the car is
popular, and if its popular it means the price is too low, and non-Vauxhall
cars are not supposed to be popular, and the easiest way of making them
non-popular is to put the price up.....
etc
|
2288.57 | I don't know why I want one ???? | BRUMMY::WARNER | | Fri Feb 03 1995 15:21 | 6 |
| Has anyone out there received a quote recently for a BMW 318is coupe
boggo standard basic model with no/few extra's.
Thanks in anticipation of parting with too much dosh each month,
Dean.
|
2288.58 | Calibra SE4 | FAILTE::BRUCEA | | Tue Feb 21 1995 15:18 | 9 |
2288.59 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Not TORCH it, I said HALT it! | Tue Feb 21 1995 16:21 | 5 |
| It seems amazing that whilst all other quotes seem to be sky high the
lease cost of both the SE3 and SE4 are well low. Even lower than the
std 8v Calibra.
Royston
|
2288.60 | Vauxhall price allowance | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Tue Feb 21 1995 16:42 | 8 |
| re .59
I *suspect* that the Vauxhall VTX quotes have an allowance in them for
any Vauxhall price rises over the year.
Cheers,
greg
|
2288.63 | Mondeo Diesel Quotes?? | BAHTAT::MORLEY_K | | Mon Feb 27 1995 12:57 | 7 |
| Has anyone had a recent quote for a Ford Mondeo 1.8TD or any other non
Vauxhall diesel?.
Also are we still only allowed 2 quotes?.
Thanks
Kevin
|
2288.64 | | PEKING::NASHD | | Mon Feb 27 1995 15:14 | 6 |
| Kevin,
I've got two quotes being processed now and one of them is for a Mondeo
1.8 TD Aspen saloon. I'll post them both here when I get them back.
Dave
|
2288.65 | Its all been changed | LARVAE::BUCKLEY | | Wed Mar 01 1995 18:48 | 6 |
| Further to my last.....
I've just spoken to Martin's of Basingstoke and learned that Audi have
withdrawn the A4 TDI in advance of launch. Suspect that the cause could
be adverse comments in the press on the noise and lack of ooomph of the
direct injection 1.9 diesel unit.
Martin
|
2288.66 | You're comparing chalk and cheese ... | QUICHE::PITT | "Ours not to reason. Why?" | Fri Mar 24 1995 13:32 | 7 |
| The quotes in .33 are not comparable. The "current lease" quoted is the amount
above the cost of the standard car, or something like that, whereas the "new"
quote is the full lease cost including the cost of the standard car.
Can anyone unravel these figures to make them comparable?
T
|
2288.67 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri Mar 24 1995 13:36 | 7 |
2288.68 | | QUICHE::PITT | "Ours not to reason. Why?" | Fri Mar 24 1995 15:29 | 10 |
| Re .35: I think that's probably now a correct comparison. So now we know that
the lease cost of that car has gone up by about 30% in three years, which is
about 9% per year (compounded, remember!).
Ok, so that's well ahead of inflation, which should I think take about 17% in
three years (anybody have more precise figures? I'm guessing 8% 5% and 3% for
the three years respectively). The figures are not worse than I had come to
expect, based on my own search for a replacement car.
T
|
2288.69 | | QUICHE::PITT | "Ours not to reason. Why?" | Fri Mar 24 1995 15:37 | 7 |
| Better inflation figures found, thanks to the WWW -
(http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/pub/html/budget94/economy3_29.html give a graph).
The should be approx 3.75%, 3.5% and 3.25%, I think, which makes a three year
figure of about 11%.
T
|
2288.70 | | WOTVAX::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Wed Mar 29 1995 15:40 | 1 |
| Can't you hang on till Sept., at least the new Cav will be out then.
|
2288.71 | | FORTY2::HOWELL | Just get to the point... | Wed Mar 29 1995 15:43 | 6 |
| What's to say the new Cavalier won't be dull too?
Why should Vauxhall ruin a tradition! ;-)
Cheers,
Dan
|
2288.72 | | QUICHE::PITT | "Where there are no people, the vision perishes..." | Wed Mar 29 1995 19:56 | 8 |
| Re .39, and "hanging on" for the new Cavalier: I wish I could, but my car comes
up for renewal in mid May. I've even looked for cars to take over for a year to
get past the new Cavalier, but there don't seem to be any very often these days.
Anyway, when the new Cavalier comes out, they will undoubtedly put the price up,
so I would then end up paying even more for "the same" car, wouldn't I?
T
|
2288.73 | | LARVAE::JORDAN | Chris Jordan, MS BackOffice Centre, UK | Wed Mar 29 1995 21:38 | 1 |
| Cars for take over - wait until the first few days of next quarter!!
|
2288.74 | | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Fri Mar 31 1995 12:48 | 4 |
| I'm amused at the fact that a Merc C180 is cheaper than a Renault 19
16V !!
tmp
|
2288.92 | OIL? | WELCLU::YOUNG | Policemen aren't nasty people | Sat Apr 01 1995 13:21 | 8 |
|
Now that the oil allowance has been taken out of the fuel allowance
does anyone know the proceedure for obtaining oil for my Renault 19 16v
which are known to use oil, or do I save the company money by not
putting any in it?
Richard(young@wlo)
|
2288.93 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Sat Apr 01 1995 14:01 | 9 |
| You could try putting it on your fleet card. Some folks have managed
to do this.
However its not really a major expense. After all, even
if you use a litre of oil per 1000 miles, 5 litres of oil costing less
than a fiver should see you through a few hundred quid's worth of
petrol.
Royston
|
2288.109 | Policy: for three months there are no take-over cars! | QUICHE::PITT | "Where there are no people, the vision perishes..." | Mon Apr 03 1995 13:32 | 18 |
| I have been hanging on until today before ordering my new car, in order to take
a look at what was available for take-over - since a number of people are
leaving at present, it seemed likely that at the start of Q4 there would be a
number of cars on the list.
I have just spoken to Pru Cotton in Car Fleet, and she tells me that as of last
week, Digital decided to abandon take-over for a three month trial period. As a
result, there are no take-over cars for Q4. Presumably this will be reviewed
near the end of Q4, and a decision will be made as to whether this is permanent
or not.
I guess it comes down to a balance between the penalty we pay to the lease
company for returning a car early versus the cost of having a car sitting around
doing nothing if it is not taken over. Also in the balance is the fact that
more people are taking Vauxhalls these days, and so take-over is probably
reducing the number of Vauxhalls that we are taking a little ...
T
|
2288.94 | Oil !? what oil.... | BRUMMY::HATTONM | I could fit in an unmod'ed Mclaren, at half the price | Mon Apr 03 1995 13:46 | 19 |
| Hi Richard,
I've got an R19 16V too.... re oil, wait for the engine to drop out !!
then you too could get a Vauxhall car !!
Anyway, try asking for a pint/litre of oil from the garage next time
you take the car for a service ? or stop off at your friendly Renault
garage and ask rfor a top up, if/when you need it ??
Mine uses oil more on a long motorway haul or if you put your foot down
abit. On average I put in 1/2 to 1 litre between services.
See also note 1179.376 (my long ish term test), I think, or 1179 in
general for R19 things.
Regards,
- MARK -
|
2288.110 | ouch | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Mon Apr 03 1995 14:00 | 8 |
| This is getting worse and worse for me. I cannot replace my Astra GSi
with anything equivalent for equivalent money. I check the takeover
list often but now that has been taken away :-( If nothing reasonable
appears on the take over list I was going to try and hang on until the
new Cavalier comes out in October so all I can do is order test drives
of obscure cars from Vauxhall that take ages to arrive :-)
tmp
|
2288.75 | Residual values!! | NEWOA::BARRON_D | | Mon Apr 03 1995 17:06 | 5 |
| Re last:
That's because of the residual value is higher on a Merc.
Dave
|
2288.76 | Mr Stirrer | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Mon Apr 03 1995 18:34 | 5 |
| I thought the actual residual value was irrelevant, it is the
difference between the purchase price and the residual price that
matters.
tmp
|
2288.95 | Sure lets all take a pay cut Roy, that'll help | WOTVAX::stus.olo.dec.com::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Tue Apr 04 1995 13:03 | 9 |
| Royston,
It may only cost a couple of quid, but its the principal of the thing.
The car is not ours but is supposedly in our care, if that means we have to
put oil in it, then my view would be to try and recover the expense in the
normal way, via expenses.
Stuart
|
2288.96 | | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:47 | 16 |
| If you're running a 16v then you're not going to use the cheap oil, are
you?
There are a limited number of manufacturers whose handbooks say that
the vehicles are designed to use oil - I think Land Rover is one. I
found that my R19 turbo diesel used oil, especially if I was cruising
at high speed (130kph is legal on French autoroutes).
I agree that it's a bit strong to hit people with a cost that's
hitherto been covered by some sort of recompense.
I'm also not impressed if the prices are based on a service station
near REO - since the majority of us don't get to REO on a regular
basis.
<WHINGE_OVER>
|
2288.97 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:51 | 13 |
2288.98 | | COMICS::MCSKEANE | och, away an' play wi' the buses!! | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:07 | 11 |
|
I used to use Mobil 1 in my MR2 at between 5 and 6 quid a litre
depending on the garage. The MR2 would need a litre added every 2000
miles. Meaning I was 10-12 quid out of pocket between the 6000 mile
services. I did a 'deal' with the servicing garage where they would do
a 'little' extra work on the car and let me have an extra couple of
litres of oil to make do till the next service.
POL.
p.s. the garage recommended only synthetic oil for the MR2
|
2288.99 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:10 | 8 |
2288.77 | Stirred?..not even shaken. | NEWOA::BARRON_D | | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:22 | 11 |
| >I thought the actual residual value was irrelevant, it is the
>difference between the purchase price and the residual price that
>matters.
>tmp
...and therefore cars with strong residual values (i.e. cars that retain
greater than 50% of their new price at three years old) are cheaper
to lease.
Dave
|
2288.100 | | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:23 | 3 |
| I thought the cost of oil was a constituent of the mileage rate, and
that it was the last announcement that said something like: "now that
cars don't use oil we've excluded it from the mileage rate".
|
2288.101 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:38 | 6 |
| Roy,
I always had decent oil in both my R5 and R19 from Renault services
(Well I assume it was as it was detailed on the parts list)
Greg
|
2288.102 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | Rover Diablo Owner | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:45 | 6 |
|
Ditto (well on a 5 anyway) and my Rover's got a tag for some expensive
synthetic oil on it showing the last oil change date now (Rover and
Calibra used 10W/50 BTW).
Mark
|
2288.103 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Tue Apr 04 1995 17:15 | 18 |
2288.104 | | COMICS::MCSKEANE | och, away an' play wi' the buses!! | Tue Apr 04 1995 17:24 | 8 |
|
re last.
The pistons were changed at 38,000 miles on the MR2 and that was after
having used synthetic oil. Don't know if they would have lasted any
longer or shorter if I'd used normal everyday oil.
POL.
|
2288.105 | Not only but also... | ROCKS::ARCHERG | What's another word for Thesaurus? | Tue Apr 04 1995 20:44 | 19 |
|
.....And whilst whinge-ing about the cost of Oil....
What about Washer-bottle de-icer...who pays for that....??
What about putting air into my tyres from machines at filling stations
where you have to pay....???
What about the purchase of a new air-freshner...???
Jeeze are we all be rippied off by the Company or.......
perhaps if all we've got to bitch about is the cost of
oil in a lease car things are definitely improving.
Master-Skew
|
2288.106 | Don't reply | WOTVAX::GILLILANDP | Not very Tuna-friendly | Tue Apr 04 1995 21:14 | 7 |
| >>There are a limited number of manufacturers whose handbooks say that
>>the vehicles are designed to use oil - I think Land Rover is one.
Can't think of ANY car engines that don't use oil. Or did you mean
consume?
Phil Gill.
|
2288.107 | | MILE::JENKINS | | Wed Apr 05 1995 16:53 | 8 |
| re .13
you forgot washing the damn car when it doesn't rain...
but worst of all you forgot *driving* the car when all you can afford
is a sodding Vauxhall....
Richard.
|
2288.108 | BitFiddlers rule okok | WOTVAX::ROWEM | | Wed Apr 05 1995 19:14 | 5 |
| Ha Ha... MASTER-SKEW!!!!
That's going back a bit Graham.
Regards
MAGNA-SEE
|
2288.61 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Fri Apr 07 1995 17:17 | 11 |
| When the 'new' scheme was announced there was something about not
changing your allowance until you changed the car.
Just going back through my old compensation change forms, I seem to
have been on the same Car supplement for ever.
What was the old supplement levels?
Cheers,
Greg
|
2288.62 | | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS - Coventry May 15-18 1995 | Fri Apr 07 1995 17:40 | 5 |
| re.61:
You'll probably have to pay some money back then Greg.
Dave ;-)
|
2288.78 | | WOTVAX::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Mon Apr 10 1995 21:01 | 6 |
| Don't forget the very strong boy racer element in a 19 16V. Young
tearaways tend not to drive C180's and thus they will be cheaper
because of the insurance factor.
Having said that, my current ZX 16V is only rushing me #500 a year,
mind you it is in the garage too much to get in an accident.
|
2288.79 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | Rover Diablo Owner | Tue Apr 11 1995 11:51 | 7 |
|
re .50
Even if a young tearaway DID drive a C180,he'd be hard pressed to tear
anywhere! :^)
Mark
|
2288.80 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Tue Apr 11 1995 17:34 | 8 |
| Why is everybody _so_ surprised when non-Vauxhall quotes are high ?
We've been in the "vauxhall" scheme for nearly two years now.
The principle is get a Vauxhall for a reasonable deal or pay through
the nose for the non-Vauxhall of your choice.
Royston
|
2288.81 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Tue Apr 11 1995 20:56 | 6 |
| Something just struck me to prove the Vauxhall deal is *very* good, I
used to have a R19 16v, around 13k list, cost me 619 a year, now I've
just got a Calibra SE4, list around 17k I think, and it's around 100
pounds a year cheaper!
Greg
|
2288.82 | Some real figures to think about.... | MARVIN::ILETT | | Thu Apr 13 1995 18:14 | 66 |
2288.83 | clio list price | MARVIN::ILETT | | Thu Apr 13 1995 18:15 | 5 |
| By the way the Clio had a list price of approx 13K
(from my P11/d)
Phil.
|
2288.84 | OK, what am I missing? | WOTVAX::HARDYP | | Thu Apr 13 1995 19:56 | 11 |
2288.85 | more figure (inflation = 0% and falling) | MARVIN::ILETT | | Thu Apr 13 1995 20:35 | 35 |
| What used to happen was my compensation form looked like
Base salary x
Car supp 1300
Car adjustment -426
------
Total left to me x+874
------
Then they changed the way the form looked and how they worked things out
Base salary x
Car supp 3560
Car adjustment -2417
------
Total left to me x+1143
------
Now I look at the figures, this did, in fact, at the time, give me a bit of an increase,
but I can't remember how it worked (same car, same job etc., etc.)
HOWEVER, todays prices come directly off the Car supplement (3560) and that's where
I have to match 2417 and a Clio 16V equivalent to stay still. All I ask is that someone
shows me the Vauxhall which does that.
(Oh, did I forget to mention that someone must have forgotten to put my
wage up for the last 2.5 years ?)
Phil.
|
2288.86 | OK, I give in! | WOTVAX::HARDYP | | Thu Apr 13 1995 21:00 | 5 |
| Phil,
If you can work that one out you DESERVE a pay rise!
Peter
|
2288.87 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu Apr 13 1995 21:09 | 18 |
2288.88 | Come on Dave, stamp this out | WOTVAX::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Fri Apr 14 1995 13:36 | 5 |
| What has happened to the quote discussion note??????????????
Mr Mod, do your stuff!
All I come to this note for is QUOTES, not discussions!
|
2288.89 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri Apr 14 1995 18:55 | 26 |
2288.90 | Ooer | WOTVAX::stus.olo.dec.com::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Sat Apr 15 1995 18:57 | 14 |
| Royston, my apologies for mixing my moderators.
I think my view is clear, Quotes is for Quotes, there should be a seperate
discussion topic.
Notes about specific topics which have already been discussed, should be
entered in their respective notes.
I might be being a bit pedantic, and you're right there aren't many quotes
around, but I would prefer not to wade through 10 notes discussing the Calibra
airbag, when I'm looking for QUOTES.
Cheers,
Stuart
|
2288.91 | | QUICHE::PITT | "Where there are no people, the vision perishes..." | Tue Apr 18 1995 13:35 | 5 |
| Recent quotes in this note confirm my rule-of-thumb that your quote on a
non-Vauxhall will be very close to 30% of the list price, whereas the prices for
Vauxhalls are around 22% ...
T
|
2288.108 | . | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Apr 21 1995 17:06 | 0 |
2288.111 | Astra CDX | PLUNDR::NEWTON | | Mon May 01 1995 19:57 | 9 |
| Hi all
Anyone know when to expect the Astra CDX on the list?
I'm ordering over the next few weeks and will need to get a quote
if there is no sign of the list being updated.
Andy.
|
2288.112 | Quote requested | SEDSWS::BARRETT | | Mon May 01 1995 21:06 | 6 |
|
re .1
I sent a quote form off for the 2.0 Astra CDX on friday and I
will post the price when I recieve the reply.
|
2288.113 | ASTRA CDX EST QUOTE ? | BRUMMY::HATTONM | I could fit in an unmod'ed Mclaren, at half the price | Wed May 03 1995 13:12 | 6 |
2288.115 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu May 04 1995 18:11 | 6 |
| You can't win. Now we have relocated discussion away from the
'Quotes' note, were getting quotes posted in the car scheme note.
I give up
Royston
|
2288.116 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | An Internaut in CyberSpace | Thu May 04 1995 18:31 | 4 |
| Don't give up Royston, I know it's a pain, but believe me, it's worth
it...
Cheers, Laurie$been_there_done_that.
|
2288.117 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu May 04 1995 18:50 | 8 |
| Thanks for the encouragement Laurie. You've no idea how much it is
appreciated.
I've modified the topic title.
Thanks folks for your cooperation.
Royston
|
2288.118 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Thu May 04 1995 20:24 | 4 |
| I should imagine(tm) that the amount of quotes being received will
slowly drop off, as everyone realises the cost!
Greg
|
2288.119 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu May 04 1995 22:16 | 8 |
|
re: the Escort Cabrio quote in 2290.whatever
Not surprising when the Astra convertible is about four grand for the
basic 1600 model (last time I looked). Presumably the insurance for
'em is through the roof (ahem).
Chris.
|
2288.120 | How unfair!! | KIRKTN::DGAMBLES | | Fri May 05 1995 00:51 | 1 |
|
|
2288.121 | Ill stick with My Lada I think.....!! | MASALA::SWRIGHT | anything for the weekend sir..? | Fri May 05 1995 02:32 | 4 |
|
I should write to my MP about it.....
Disgusting bit of news....!!!
|
2288.122 | Astra vs Cavalier CDX comparison | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Mon May 15 1995 21:46 | 12 |
| I was hoping that the Astra CDX might be a good bargain as it would be
a new car on the list.... However, just a quick look at the prices
shows that the Astra is more expensive than the Cavalier ! i.e.
comparing the 2.0 16V. Furthermore, automatic transmission seems to be
cheaper if you order it as an extra (149) instead of ordering the car
with it already on ?!?@
I shall certainly be continuing to look for a private car rather than
stay in the scheme.
tmp
|
2288.123 | I wonder what the prices will be next year? | MILE::JENKINS | | Mon May 15 1995 22:24 | 10 |
|
Yes, the CDX quote was expensive! Makes you wonder wether Digital
has now realised it won't buy enough Vauxhalls to qualify for
the supposedly super discount. Still, Digital will have saved a lot
of *our* money by reducing *our* supplements.
Perhaps that's also the reason they stopped the cars for takeover?
Another vain attempt to force people to buy Vauxhalls.
Richard.
|
2288.124 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Wed May 17 1995 19:39 | 11 |
| Heres a question to anyone out there with a LeasePlan vehicle.
I've just had a flick through the rather swish 'Filofax' driver's
handbook that a colleague has just received with his new car and it
specifically states that the contract does not include a replacement
vehicle.
Does this mean they won't supply a relief car when the lease car is off the
road for mechanical repair or routine service ?
Royston
|
2288.125 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu May 18 1995 00:17 | 8 |
|
Strange. I haven't checked but presumably my contract documents say
that same (Leaseplan stuff must be fairly standard). I had a hire car
for the day when my car was being serviced - although they gave me a
Toyota that sounded like the gearbox was going to drop in the road at
any moment.
Chris.
|
2288.126 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu May 18 1995 00:32 | 6 |
| Chris, as you say it must be a fairly standard arrangement so if they
have supplied a relief car the reference must be for relief cars when
the car is off the road for accident repair which is the same as it it
has always been.
Royston
|
2288.127 | | LARVAE::JORDAN | Chris Jordan, MS BackOffice Centre, UK | Thu May 18 1995 01:40 | 2 |
| It might be that Leaseplan don't supply the replacement vehicle, 'cos
its covered in warrenty with Vauxhall??
|
2288.128 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu May 18 1995 01:43 | 8 |
|
Maybe it's worded like that in case you trash the vehicle completely
and the company has to stump up for literally a replacement vehicle?
Perhaps someone should call car-fleet and check it out (not that I
think I'm going to total the car one of these days or anything!).
Chris.
|
2288.129 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Thu May 18 1995 02:04 | 8 |
| The terms of the Leaseplan contract aren't relevant to us. Our
car scheme entitles us to a replacement vehicle, it is up to
Digital how they chose to fund it.
The Hertz & PHH contracts don't cover the first day of hire, so
I assume they just bill the company.
Ian.
|
2288.130 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu May 25 1995 16:34 | 12 |
|
re:2290.62
How have Digital convinced us it's not a rip-off?
They haven't.
How could the price have risen so much?
It's all been discussed, but buggered if we know why.
Chris.
|
2288.131 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu May 25 1995 16:38 | 11 |
| The bottom line to the company car scheme is
have a Vauxhall or pay through the nose for a car of your choice.
I don't think car fleet have to justify any of the 'other manufacturer'
quotes.
If you can't stand having a Vauxhall its probably worth coming out the
scheme and getting a new car on a scheme like Ford's 'Options' or
Vauxhall's Choices 1-2-3.
Royston
|
2288.132 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu May 25 1995 17:16 | 13 |
|
>>I don't think car fleet have to justify any of the 'other
>>manufacturer' quotes.
Very true. However, in light of the time that has elapsed between this
policy being introduced and the fact that most people will have changed
their cars (how long has the policy been in place? 2 years?) within
this time - presumably for a Vauxhall, or left the scheme - then how
does the change to a preferred vendor policy look now? Is it saving
the company money, are we getting a better deal? Who has the facts and
will they divulge them?! Are there plans for a review of the policy?
Chris.
|
2288.133 | GM scheme end in sight??? | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Thu May 25 1995 21:18 | 16 |
| I was talking to a Citroen dealer yesterday, one who supplies a lot of
cars to Hertz Leasing.
He said that the manufacturers are already pulling out of the tied
fleet purchase deals. Citroen have been out over a year.
The problem is it's costing them a fortune and the fleet car market has
meanwhile gone very 'soggy'. They're blaming it on the shaky
economy/redundancy/cost saving syndrome and it's now being aggravated
by uncertainty over the new VAT rules which are about/have come into
effect.
Nett effect is, he says, "Don't put money on the Digital/GM deal being
renewed by GM at such a favourable rate".
Nick
|
2288.134 | Costly option! | MILE::JENKINS | | Thu May 25 1995 22:11 | 5 |
|
The quotes in .59 (4k) and .63 (4.7k) for a Mazda MX5 seems to put a
very high premium on having metallic paint!
Richard.
|
2288.134 | Do Vauxhall suffer? | MILE::JENKINS | | Thu May 25 1995 23:06 | 40 |
2288.135 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Fri May 26 1995 11:34 | 7 |
|
re:.2290.63
How come the California is so cheap? I thought that was a much better
model than the others?
Chris.
|
2288.136 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri May 26 1995 13:27 | 7 |
2288.137 | Change for the better - freedom of choice | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Fri May 26 1995 15:34 | 10 |
| .136
But it should make a difference in that the loading for GM, or against
non-GM, in the lease costs will be removed.
I.e. we'll be back to the pre-GM deal days --- whoopeeee!!!!
Incidentally, I recall that part of the 'sales' campaign to us was that
1/3 of people already had GM cars. They couldn't, or wouldn't, see
that the other 2/3 were going to be disgruntled about it.
|
2288.138 | MX-5 1.8i California | SXKITN::DAW | Pizzazz-man | Fri May 26 1995 19:32 | 10 |
|
MX-5 1.8i California is the model between 1.8i and 1.8iS
Same as 1.8i + 15" alloy wheels, 195/50VR15 tyres, PAS, Sunburst Yellow
exterior colour, numbered plaque, special wallet, Clarion CRX601R RDS
audio unit.
Only 300 will be imported - so a kind of limited edition !
Rob
|
2288.139 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Fri May 26 1995 19:44 | 5 |
|
Looks like you'll be getting a Calibra then Rob. Perhaps they can do
you a set of pop-up lights if you ask 'em nicely?
Chris.
|
2288.140 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Fri May 26 1995 19:54 | 7 |
2288.141 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri May 26 1995 20:03 | 17 |
2288.142 | Whats the point of quotes? | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Fri May 26 1995 20:42 | 8 |
| re .140
I don't quite understand this? I've known a few people who have got
quotes, ordered and then been told they can't do it for that price.
Is the quote not legally binding then, is it just a wastr of time?
Greg
|
2288.143 | Wot no oil???? | BRUMMY::BRACEY | There ain't no sanity clause | Wed May 31 1995 15:12 | 17 |
| I'm sure I've seen a mail recently telling me that the milage rate
stays at 8p. The reasoning behind this being that petrol had gone up
but as cars no longer used oil then the 8p no longer covered oil costs.
Therfor the two cancelled each other out.
My car burns oil, 2 ltrs every 7000 miles, the garage says this is normal
(they would wouldn't they?). I don't mind puttiong oil in it but need
reimbursing for the cost. Expenses say if I can produce a copy of the
mail they will pay for the oil. If anybody has this mail in their
account can they send it to me please Guy Bracey @BBP.
thanks Guy
Ps The car is a 16v Calibra (Ecotec engine) anybody else had this
problem?
|
2288.144 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | You call _that_ a personal name? | Wed May 31 1995 15:15 | 7 |
|
16V engines often burn oil in the first few thousand miles, but
generally this settles down after 10,000 miles at most.
If it continues to burn oil, I'd be worried.
Mark
|
2288.145 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Wed May 31 1995 15:27 | 11 |
2288.146 | the mail | MARVIN::ILETT | | Wed May 31 1995 15:39 | 91 |
| The mail follows:
From: RDGENG::RDGENG::MRGATE::"SUBURB::RDGMTS::REO::RDGMTS::AM_WMSG::WORLDMESSAGE" 13-FEB-1995 17:46:12.77
To: @Distribution_List
CC:
Subj: Mileage rates
From: NAME: Shoaib Quraeshi <WORLDMESSAGE@AM_WMSG@RDGMTS@REO>
To: See Below
To: All employees
From: Shoaib Quraeshi, Country General Manager
Subject: Mileage rates
_____________________________________________________________
Following recent increases in the duty on fuel announced by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his autumn budget, the
Territory Management Team has reviewed the rates at which we
reimburse employees for mileage driven on company business.
A breakdown of the factors included in the review is
attached.
As a result of the review, we have decided that there will be
no change to the current rates of reimbursement.
Company mileage will continue to be reimbursed at 8p per mile
for car supplement holders. For employees who do not receive
a car supplement and use their own car for company business,
the rate will remain at 32p per mile for the first 100 miles
per week and at 8p per mile thereafter (a maximum of 4,000
miles at 32p can be claimed in a single tax year).
Regards,
Shoaib
ELEMENTS COMPRISING THE MILEAGE RATE
13th February 1995
_____________________________________________________________
The elements
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The same calculation formula has been used consistently for a
number of years. It is based on the following elements:
- the cost of unleaded petrol at a given reference site
garage
- an average fuel consumption of 30 mpg
- 0.5p per mile for oil consumption
Threshold at which a change is considered
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A change to the reimbursement rate is usually deemed
necessary when the cost per mile resulting from the above
calculation moves up or down by 5% or more.
Price movement at this review
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At this review the calculation showed that the cost per mile
had moved up by less than 1% as a result of the budget
increases in duty - not enough to trigger a potential change
to the reimbursement rate.
This can be attributed to the fact that prior to the budget
there was a distinct downward trend in petrol prices.
Oil allowance
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At this review we decided that it is no longer appropriate to
include an oil allowance of 0.5p per mile in the calculation
as cars now use significantly less oil.
When this amount was deducted from the cost-per-mile figure,
the figure was below 8p per mile. However, the downward
fluctuation was also less than our 5% change threshold, so no
reduction in the reimbursement figure was considered to be
necessary.
To Distribution List:
<deleted>
|
2288.147 | | BAHTAT::DODD | | Wed May 31 1995 16:42 | 6 |
| Apart from leaks I've never needed to put oil into any of my Vauxhall
engines, 8v or 16v. I think you have a problem.
And yes, I do check periodically.
Andrew
|
2288.148 | MGF quote anyone? | TRUCKS::SANT | No sleep 'til bedtime | Thu Jun 01 1995 13:53 | 6 |
|
Anyone had a quote for the MGF - either 1.8 or 1.8 VVC ? I know
it's not out 'till Sept, but that could fit in quite nicely if
it's affordable....
Andy.
|
2288.149 | Wow | MILE::JENKINS | | Thu Jun 01 1995 16:48 | 9 |
2288.150 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu Jun 01 1995 18:02 | 6 |
2288.151 | | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS Dublin 11-15 September'95 | Thu Jun 01 1995 20:06 | 5 |
| One way to make everyone choose Vauxhall would be to keep pushing up the lease
costs of non-Vauxhall cars, any takers will subsidise the Vauxhall scheme thus
saving the company even more money.
Dave.
|
2288.152 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu Jun 01 1995 20:10 | 10 |
|
re:.151
With all respect Dave, I can't see that increasing further the costs of
non-Vauxhalls would create any more subsidy worth using. The values
involved wouldn't be that great so it would probably pay for maybe five
minutes...or rather with the ongoing data centre consolidations...an hour
or two of ALL-IN-1 use for carfleet staff.
Chris.
|
2288.153 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Tyro-Delphi-hacker | Thu Jun 01 1995 20:19 | 4 |
| At the price that Rover is, it must be cheaper to get a bank loan and
buy the bloody thing!
Laurie.
|
2288.154 | | RIOT01::SUMMERFIELD | Not long before the end... | Thu Jun 01 1995 20:31 | 5 |
| re .153
Certainly seems like it.
Clive
|
2288.155 | Who are Leaseplan? | MILE::JENKINS | | Thu Jun 01 1995 23:18 | 35 |
2288.156 | mx5 | UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C | | Thu Jun 01 1995 23:43 | 3 |
| Even more surprising when I tell you that my quote for 4k included
metallic paints!!
|
2288.157 | ...and is it still valid? | TRUCKS::SANT | No sleep 'til bedtime | Fri Jun 02 1995 13:47 | 4 |
|
Charles, can you let me know the quote no. please?
Andy.
|
2288.158 | We do get a substantial Vauxhall discount! | TOMMII::RDAVIES | Amateur Expert | Fri Jun 02 1995 17:04 | 25 |
2288.159 | MX5 Quote | UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C | | Fri Jun 02 1995 19:33 | 3 |
| Chucked the quote no away i'm afraid! It was a matter of 10 weeks ago
so i don't know why there has been such a hike. If i find th quote no
i'll post it on Notes.
|
2288.160 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Mon Jun 05 1995 13:21 | 6 |
2288.161 | Its as simple as this (IMO) | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Mon Jun 05 1995 14:29 | 8 |
| Re these high non Vauxhall quotes.
I still say the reason for the high quotes is that the allowance has
not been reviewed for nearly a year and as the preferred list is 'set
in stone' they are not affected. However, as car prices continue to
rise so will lease costs and these are reflected in the quotes.
Royston
|
2288.162 | Laguna Prices rising? | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Mon Jun 05 1995 17:40 | 11 |
| Re Quotes for Renault Laguna's:
Mr/Ms Wigglesworth - looking at the two quotes you just got for RXE's
they look much higher than the other Laguna quotes. All the other FY95
quotes are at 32% of retail price, yours appear to be at 35%. Were the
cars as you stated or were they Automatics which would be closer to
32%?
Yours interestedly (considering Laguna RTi vs new Alfa 155 2.0TS 16v)
Paul
|
2288.163 | Confirmation of Laguna high quote | FLEX7::WIGGLESWORTH | | Mon Jun 05 1995 18:11 | 5 |
2288.164 | Prompt Service from Car Fleet | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Mon Jun 05 1995 18:49 | 10 |
| Peter,
If its not too late, I was curious and checked with LeasePlan. The
Laguna quotes were incorrect. Yours SHOULD have been #4810 with the
alarm, #4724 without. Contact Lucy Marper if you want to take them up,
they are still valid.
regards
Paul
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2288.165 | I give up.... | KERNEL::CARPENTERS | One inode short of a file system | Mon Jun 05 1995 18:55 | 9 |
| After trying to find some rough correlation between list rice and quote
value I have determined the quote calculation used by Lease Plan:
Driver price = 4k + some 4 digit random number
How else could you explain a Mercedes C180 being cheaper than a Rover
220?
Stephen.
|
2288.166 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Mon Jun 05 1995 19:31 | 4 |
| >> How else could you explain a Mercedes C180 being cheaper than a
>> Rover 220?
Residual value?
|
2288.167 | 32% for renault | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Mon Jun 05 1995 19:40 | 5 |
| Don't know about Rover & Merc, but all the Laguna quotes (after
correction) are within 0.1/.2 of 32% of list price (ex Delivery/Road
Tax)
Paul
|
2288.168 | Not 32% for anything else | KERNEL::CARPENTERS | One inode short of a file system | Mon Jun 05 1995 20:11 | 10 |
| Re: .167
32% of 14050 is 4496 and the quote was 5400! This is more like 38%!
My Mazda MX-3 quote was 35.5% (6006/16900) but the MX-5 quote is about
28%. Also the quote for Ford Probe is almost 44%!
It just seems random...
Stephen.
|
2288.169 | | WOTVAX::STONEG | Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland.... | Mon Jun 05 1995 20:16 | 9 |
|
I'd expect Mazda quotes to depend on time of year and which dealers
Leaseplan use. Mazda have a restriction on the number of cars they can
import, and as they can sell their quota of most models several times over
at list price they don't usually do deals - only when a new model is being
introduced.
G.
|
2288.170 | | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Tue Jun 06 1995 11:42 | 8 |
| Its quite worrying to see that several quotes appear to be 'wrong' -
presumably some people are now paying more than they need to? or does
it mean that everyone now makes that extra call to Leaseplan to check
the figures thereby incurring even more admin overhead?
Xtine
|
2288.171 | Some Logic - but maybe not total! | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Tue Jun 06 1995 12:33 | 27 |
| I rechecked the BMW quotes, the two 318is quotes are at 28% of RRP and
the 320i Touring and 328i are 32%.
My theory would be that the 320/328 are higher because of higher
insurance (eg a 318i 4 door is Gp 11 vs a 320i 4 door at Gp 13) and the
BMW quotes are lower than Renault 'cos of better residuals & lower
running costs. This probably means that the Alfa I want will be around
50% of RRP!!
Quotes should have a few basic elements:
RRP less discount
Insurance
Relative running costs
Relative residuals
Hence BMWs & Mercs are more competitive than Japanese cars but lose out
to Fords on low discounting.
Re -1
The "wrong" quotes were issued while Lucy was on holiday so it was
probably a failed check procedure that let them through. I reckon a
simple sanity check on whether the quote is what you expect should
suffice.
Paul
|
2288.172 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | You call _that_ a personal name? | Tue Jun 06 1995 12:39 | 10 |
|
Lower running costs of a BMW? Presumably this takes into account
'excepted' problems with a Renault, because there's no way a Renault
would cost more to service than a BMW (not to mention the fact that a
Rover 220 SLi only needs to visit the garage once every 12,000 miles!).
Mark
PS Which Alfa do you fancy, Paul (post a reply elsewhere if you
prefer),
|
2288.173 | Haven't you got a better job to go to Saxby? | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Tue Jun 06 1995 13:20 | 10 |
| Mark,
155 2.0TS 16v - the new revised one with a whizzy sports pack for black
alloys & spoiler etc etc
Expected Quote: #5630, likely quote #7000+ :-)
Paul
ps - good to see McNish doing well eh?
|
2288.174 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | You call _that_ a personal name? | Tue Jun 06 1995 13:26 | 11 |
2288.175 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | Beer...now there's a temporary solution | Tue Jun 06 1995 13:41 | 5 |
| Hoping to sell a lot of Turbolasers so you can afford the Alfa then
Paul ;^)
Greg
|
2288.176 | Final Word.... | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Tue Jun 06 1995 13:45 | 6 |
| To close the rat hole....
Hoping the *ABU* sells a lot of TurboLasers to afford the Alfa (& the
TVR for the personal car!)
Paul
|
2288.177 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Wed Jun 07 1995 14:59 | 4 |
| Check out ROCKS::UK_DIGITAL 232.31 if you intend taking your lease car
abroad.
Royston
|
2288.178 | Calibra DTM Prices | WOTVAX::CROUCHJ | | Tue Jun 13 1995 19:50 | 2 |
| The Calibra DTM prices are for cloth I was told yesterday. Leather and
Air Conditioning are extra but they didn't have the prices available.f
|
2288.178 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Sun Jun 25 1995 18:01 | 8 |
2288.179 | | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Mon Jun 26 1995 14:57 | 7 |
| The reason I have heard for the change in insurance cover was a rather
tragic accident involving a young, non-employee driver and a fatality.
At which point Zurich 'realised' the cover they were providing and
sought to adjust the premium for renewal.
My sons are disappointed that the Digital France (?) scheme wasn't
implemented. This allows drivers with two years full licence to drive.
|
2288.180 | looking for a solution | WOTVAX::HARDYP | | Mon Jun 26 1995 15:14 | 8 |
| Chaps,
I have asked insurance services if individuals may extend the cover for
named drivers (e.g. family members) for an additional premium. I'll
post any response here.
Peter
|
2288.181 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Mon Jun 26 1995 16:08 | 11 |
| I am surprised there is not more discussion about this further
erosion of benefit. Not that it affects me personally but it
will hit folks who are using their company car to teach their kids to
drive. We are taxed like crazy for the benefit of the company and all
the time that benifit is being chipped away.
If there is one thing I think they should change (and this may be an
unpopular view) is that employees under 25 should be restricted from
having performance/sports cars on the scheme for their own protection.
Royston
|
2288.182 | Don'y Buy This One | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Mon Jun 26 1995 16:59 | 19 |
| Maybe I'm an exception but I do not see this as a negative issue. Many
other companies allow only one other nominated driver. I was amazed
when I arrived at Digital and found that any Tom, Dick or Kevin could
drive my car (then a Pug 205 1.9GTi).
Under 25 year old's are well proven to be more accident prone and if
this reduces our premium and hence on-cost to employees, great. I also
do not buy the driving lesson thing. I am *very* anti people being
taught to drive by non-approved people. It passes bad habits on and
should be discouraged.
BTW, I would also support the U25 employee restriction on cars above a
certain insurance group too.
I do not see erosion, just changes. Digital's benefit package is still
competitive for hardware vendors. Its just not industry leading
anymore. But then neither are our profits & margins.
Paul
|
2288.183 | Perhaps we're all just punch drunk... | WELLIN::WELOUT::meacock | Alan Meacock via Laptop... | Mon Jun 26 1995 17:01 | 13 |
| Well, I think this constitutes a change in conditions of employment. I have
two children (!) 20 and 21 who drive my lease car, or rather did drive the
car. This was part of the package, and has been for the last 16 years of my
time with this company. Hmmm - paranoia (!) maybe this is linked to the
failure to reinstate 15 year service awards .... NO! I don't feel able to add
a smiley face.
|
2288.184 | Wot no learners! | VIVIAN::GOODWIN | STN PCi Technology Consultant | Mon Jun 26 1995 17:18 | 7 |
| I too am very annoyed at this change. My son has just got his provisional
license, I was going to teach him to drive. I am now unable to do this. If
it was my private car I would have been able to. This to me was another of
the advantages of leasing even though it costs me more than running my own
car. I assume that the insurance cost that was on the original quote include
this cover and so we should now see a reduced lease cost!!!
-dg-
|
2288.185 | Scerwing the workers! | BRUMMY::BRACEY | There ain't no sanity clause | Mon Jun 26 1995 17:18 | 26 |
| This is definitly a benefit errosion, my daughter will be learning to
drive in Nov, She'll love it when I tell her she has to buy a car!!
Digital re negotiates our insurance every year the conversation must
have gone somthing like this " We'll give you an extra 5% if you
(Digital) restrict the drivers" Digital "OK we'll withdraw another
benifit from the workers, they won't mind we've screwed them so much in
the last few years they are suffering from terminal apathy anyway"
At a time when Digital is trying to re-motivate it's employees this is
not a smart move.
The IAM have proved that although driving lessons are a must the
highest L test pass rates are achieved by drivers who get lots of experience
driving different cars with different people.
Do we have any proof that Digital drivers under 25 are more accident
prone than the rest of us ??? Stopping these people having high
powered cars will be another errosin of benefit to another minority
group.
Guy :-{
|
2288.186 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Mon Jun 26 1995 17:25 | 6 |
2288.187 | | COMICS::MCSKEANE | Cough red nose | Mon Jun 26 1995 17:31 | 10 |
|
re 2288.186
>I believe learner drivers are still allowed except they must be over
>25.
Not according to the mail. It states that over 25s must have a full
driving licence.
POL.
|
2288.188 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Mon Jun 26 1995 18:38 | 27 |
|
re:.182
>> do not buy the driving lesson thing. I am *very* anti people being
>>taught to drive by non-approved people. It passes bad habits on and
>>should be discouraged.
I agree with the sentiment that people shouldn't be taught to drive by
non-approved people, the bad habits thing is mostly true. What I
disagree with strongly is the fact that it *is* an erosion of benefits,
and also whilst I am not personally affected as yet, I may be in
future. What you fail to point out is that any learner driver gains
more experience the more they drive, which increases their chance of
passing the test. If the learner in question cannot have access to a
car (e.g. if it's the only one in the family and is on a Digital lease)
then they are being deprived of the experience they could possibly
benefit from; this is wrong.
I agree with the comment made by Royston(?) regarding the fact that it
isn't normally the age of the driver, but the drivers experience which
matters most. Obviously someone aged 25 who has just passed their test
should not be as experienced, and therefore more prone to accidents
potentially, than someone who is 22 or 23 who has four or five years
driving experience - it doesn't make sense, but I don't know how these
policies are created.
Chris.
|
2288.189 | Get a quote for the insurance! | QUICHE::PITT | Alph a ha is better than no VAX! | Mon Jun 26 1995 19:27 | 16 |
| Stepping quickly aside from the question of erosion of benefits or not, I have a
simple comment concerning under 25s driving company cars: there is no ban on
them driving them. They simply cannot do it under Digital's insurance, and I
think I agree with that. I too was amazed when I realized just how wide the
cover was.
So, for those who want an Under 25 driving their car, what do you do? Well, you
have to get insurance for that driver. You are right to ask Digital's Insurance
Department to quote for it, and I sincerely hope they will. You should also ask
others to quote for it too.
Now the big question is, should Digital past on the cost of that extra insurance
to you, assuming they quote? My personal feeling is yes, but I suspect there
will be a vocal minority here who say no!
T
|
2288.190 | Thanks for telling me | MILE::JENKINS | | Mon Jun 26 1995 20:10 | 23 |
2288.191 | Query on new insurance guidelines.... | BELFST::BVOFIT::FITZPATRICK | EMER | Tue Jun 27 1995 22:45 | 21 |
|
Hi,
This note refers to a mail sent recently by Chris Palmer
detailing changes in the cover and use of Digital Fleet Vehicles.
The message stated:
"Digital Fleet Vehicles will be insured for Employee and Spouse/
Co-habitee (with full licence), and any full licenced driver aged
25 years and over only."
Does anyone out there know the answers to the following questions?
1. Can the Employee and Spouse/Co-habitee be under 25 years?
2. What exactly is the legal definition of a 'Co-habitee'?
Many thanks,
Emer
|
2288.192 | | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS Dublin 11-15 September'95 | Wed Jun 28 1995 13:00 | 12 |
| re.191:
>1. Can the Employee and Spouse/Co-habitee be under 25 years?
Yes.
> 2. What exactly is the legal definition of a 'Co-habitee'?
I think it would be fun to send this question to Chris Palmer and see if he can
answer it! If you do it, please post the response here.
Dave.
|
2288.193 | | GOVT02::BARKER | Careful with that AXP Eugene | Fri Jun 30 1995 13:55 | 10 |
| re .191
> 2. What exactly is the legal definition of a 'Co-habitee'?
My dictionary defines cohabit as 'to live together' so obviously a cohabitee is
someone who lives with you. So as long as your son/daughter lives with you & is
over 25 then they can _still_ drive the company car covered by the Digital
insurance.
Nigel
|
2288.194 | | WOTVAX::STONEG | Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland.... | Fri Jun 30 1995 13:57 | 7 |
| >>> So as long as your son/daughter lives with you & is
>>> over 25 then they can _still_ drive the company car covered by the Digital
>>> insurance.
...but if they're over 25 they can drive it anyway !
G.
|
2288.195 | how to mess up Ian Hawley's holiday plans | COMICS::HAWLEYI | Mr Flibble says: Game over boys | Fri Jun 30 1995 14:29 | 10 |
|
According to the dictionary we've got here...(Roy Shelley's) co-habit
means "to live together AS HUSBAND AND WIFE". I was speaking to
leaseplan about anoppther matter and happened to mention this to them
to which they replied: "It means the person you share your life with".
Sons and Daughters or anyone else for that matter will not be covered
till they reach 25.
Ian.
|
2288.196 | i'm feeling eagasyusydabsdhks | COMICS::HAWLEYI | Mr Flibble says: Game over boys | Fri Jun 30 1995 14:32 | 6 |
|
> anoppther
What did they put in my tea this morning?
Ian.
|
2288.197 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Fri Jun 30 1995 14:52 | 5 |
| As someone has already said, none of these dictionary definitions
mean a thing, it is the *legal* definition that matters. If you
end up in court, don't expect your Collins Gem to cut much ice!
Ian.
|
2288.198 | Answers to .191 | BELFST::BVOFIT::FITZPATRICK | EMER | Mon Jul 03 1995 13:47 | 23 |
| Hi,
I sent a mail to Chris Palmer asking him the questions in .191 and
received the following reply:
Date: 30/06/95 13:15:00
From: Chris Palmer @REO
Subject: RE: Query regarding new car users..
To: EMER FITZPATRICK
Emer,
The Insurance policy will allow the use by any employee and
his/her spouse, irrespective of age.
Co-habitee may be regarded as "live in partner". We have used
this to cater for non-married couples and also persons living with
people of the same gender.
Regards,
Chris
|
2288.199 | | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS Dublin 11-15 September'95 | Mon Jul 03 1995 16:42 | 7 |
| re.198:
>may be regarded
There's still some doubt then?
Dave.
|
2288.200 | Too good to be true! | CHEFS::MARCHR::marchr | | Mon Jul 03 1995 17:39 | 8 |
| Anyone know how we are doing with the Vauxhall contract? Any signs of it
being reversed in favour of another manufacturer?
I think I'm being wound up - due to my deep depression about the prospect
of a Foxhole - but a rumour, I'm told, is circulating that Rover/BMW are
being spoken to.
Rupert
|
2288.201 | | WOTVAX::STONEG | Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland.... | Mon Jul 03 1995 18:44 | 13 |
|
>>> of a Foxhole - but a rumour, I'm told, is circulating that Rover/BMW are
>>> being spoken to.
It wouldn't surpise me at all, given our involvement with the Rover
BPMS project - it's supported by my colleagues here in Warrington.
However, now that we're using a third party leasing company I think it
would be more likely to be 'thrown open' again with the Lease company
quoting the best prices they can get for each make/model - there is no
way Digital can guarantee to lease x cars from one manufacturer no
matter what the deal.
Graham
|
2288.202 | VAT Changes | LARVAE::PRESCOTTR | | Mon Jul 03 1995 19:57 | 3 |
| Has anybody asked car fleet if the change in VAT that comes into effect
on the 1st August will give any reduction in lease costs on cars
delivered after that date ?????
|
2288.203 | | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Mon Jul 03 1995 20:06 | 5 |
| Presumably you were involved in an incestuous relationship with a son
or daughter they could drive?
Of course, I suppose the book could get thrown at you if it was tested
in court :-)
|
2288.204 | | CHEFS::NASHD | | Tue Jul 04 1995 14:40 | 10 |
|
I submitted requests for quotes recently and was told the delay in
replying was because of the extra calculations necessary as a result of
the changes in law. So it seems the changes will be implemented.
I was also told that more than 70% of Digital's car fleet is now Vauxhall.
Dave
|
2288.205 | Bugger.........what timing !! | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Tue Jul 04 1995 16:52 | 18 |
| Hi All,
I am going on holiday to France at the end of the month and had planned to
share the driving with two other college mates with who I share a house
in Portsmouth. Unfortunately, they are both under 25 (although they have full
licenses).
Someone mentioned about the possibility of extending the Digital insurance....
did they have any luck. Also, is it possible to do this for a short period of
time ie. the two weeks I am on holiday ??
Prompt replies would be appreciated as I have only just realised that I am
quickly running out of time to sort this out !!
Regards
Barry
(and once more BUGGER !!)
|
2288.206 | Covered...or not covered....that is the question.... | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Tue Jul 04 1995 17:42 | 41 |
| Hmmmm...has anyone else out there just received their
"super duper" new LeasePlan Accident Management info. with
a copy of the insurance certificate ?
I have, and the certificate shows, and I quote :
5. Persons or classes of persons entitled to drive:
Any person who is driving on the order or with the
permission of the Policyholder.
(Provided that the person driving holds a
licence to drive the vehicle or has held
and is not disqualified from holding or
obtaining such a licence)
The policyholder is Digital
Soooo...a few questions:
1) There appears to be no documented (on the certificate)
restriction regarding under 25 & non-cohabiting *;-)
drivers - hence if the police were to request production
of the certificate no offence would be disclosed...
2) Again...no mention of provisional licence holders
being excluded...I believe that a provisional licenced
driver who complies with all other "L" restrictions
is covered.
2) Do other drivers drive with the permission of the
policyholder or with the permission of the vehicle
"keeper" ?
What do you think....am I being thick here ?
Kevin_confused
|
2288.207 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Tue Jul 04 1995 17:50 | 10 |
2288.208 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Tue Jul 04 1995 18:11 | 4 |
| I interpreted the policyholder as any representative of Digital, so
perhaps we can specify for ourselves who is allowed to drive?
Chris.
|
2288.209 | No news is.... no news | WOTVAX::HARDYP | | Tue Jul 04 1995 18:29 | 12 |
| Barry,
I was one of the ones who said they had mailed Insurance Services to
ask for options for extending the cover. No response as of yet, but
they may just be finalising the conditions ;-)
I'll let you know if a response does come.
I was also talking to someone who had tried to get his own insurance to
cover the under 25's, but he'd had no luck.
Peter
|
2288.210 | Yep....but.... | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Tue Jul 04 1995 19:01 | 14 |
| Re; .207
Yup...that's what I'd guess....but how is Mr. Plod going
to know what Digital "think" ? My point is that if
someone under 25/learner/non-cohabitee etc. is seen
driving by Mr. Plod and they are given a seven-day
wonder, the insurance certificate is about as much use
as a chocolate fireguard ! According to it they are insured !
Usually (particularly on my own insurance for my previous
private car) drivers under 25 are specifically excluded
from the insurance certificate.
Kevin_over25_fulllicence_withspouse_but_still_interested *8-)
|
2288.211 | what about in an accident..... | IOSG::MITCHELLE | Pigs all fed and watered, and ready to fly | Tue Jul 04 1995 19:24 | 4 |
| I imagine the problems would start when an accident occurred - 'cos then the
interpretation of the words of the insurance are going to be 'discussed' -
because someone somewhere is going to have to pay for any damage!!! For
complying with a 'please present your documents...' proabbaly no issue.
|
2288.212 | Hmm....no issue...but definately some offences | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Tue Jul 04 1995 19:36 | 15 |
| >> 'please present your documents...' proabbaly no issue.
Yes...I agree that an accident would "solve" the issue *8-)
However, up until that point I wouldn't think that the
insurance certificate provided is worth the paper it is
written on and it would allow uninsured use with little chance
of detection.
I wonder what the "old" Digital insurance certificate would have
said - was it any different ?
I'll shut-up now *;-)
Kevin.
|
2288.213 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Tue Jul 04 1995 19:42 | 7 |
| > I wonder what the "old" Digital insurance certificate would have
> said - was it any different ?
from memory (not perfect, as many will testify!) the previous insurance
certificate had exactly the same wording.
Chris.
|
2288.214 | Extra insurance ?? | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Tue Jul 04 1995 20:28 | 10 |
| Peter,
Thanks for the reply..........could you give me the mail address of insurance
services please. Also, do you happen to have their phone number....I'll see if
I can get an idea over the phone......!!
Regards
Barry
(P.s. How long ago did you apply)
|
2288.215 | Test driving non-Vauxhalls | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Wed Jul 05 1995 14:10 | 7 |
| I've just checked VTX and notice another important change to the
insurance arrangements. It used to be that DEC would automatically
provide cover when test driving any make of car providing the request
goes through the manufacturer's fleet demo. It now states that cover
is provided _only_ for cars in the PCL.
Royston
|
2288.216 | Test Drive Insurance | BAHTAT::CARTER_A | UK P6000 Curator | Wed Jul 05 1995 19:26 | 11 |
| re: -1 which meant when I wanted to test a new 2.2 Frontera Estate, and
the garage said they only had a 2.8TD Estate, I couldn't because it
hadn't made the PCL. Actually I went on an 'accompanied' drive & used
their insurance.
As we are supposed to arrange test drives thru' one of the 5 authorised
dealers, is cover only provided for PCL cars which are test driven from
them? I've been getting brochures & the drive from my local Vauxhall
dealer.
Andy
|
2288.217 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Wed Jul 05 1995 19:54 | 12 |
| I've just received the insurance pack from Lease Plan. It seems quite
clear that
. The policy holder is Digital
. Anyone can drive with the policy holder's permission - and permission
is only given to those with a full driving license over 25 which we
were informed about seperately.
. European breakdown cover at no extra cost.
Royston
|
2288.218 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Wed Jul 05 1995 20:02 | 9 |
| > . Anyone can drive with the policy holder's permission - and permission
> is only given to those with a full driving license over 25 which we
> were informed about seperately.
this is the bit I'm having difficulty with. Who can speak on behalf
of the policyholder; any employee, the cost centre manager, Chris Palmer,
the insurance dept., the MD? I wish they wouldn't be so ambiguous!
Chris.
|
2288.219 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Wed Jul 05 1995 20:11 | 7 |
2288.220 | | CHEFS::GEORGEM | lived eht pihsroW | Wed Jul 05 1995 20:14 | 7 |
| Slight rathole, I guess, but my father's company had a similar policy, but the
only people allowed to drive their cars had to actually be employed by the
company. So, my father would "employ" me whenever I wanted/needed to drive the
car. Apparently this had actually been tested in a claim somewhere, and was a
valid way of insuring me on the car. Mind you, if I had had to claim, I'd've
been up the creek anyway, because I'm 20 yrs old and therefore too young to be
covered. Interesting idea though...
|
2288.221 | Internal Comms vs. Legal documentation | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Thu Jul 06 1995 15:46 | 17 |
| Re: .219
Hmmm...You know what Chris Palmer told us.....Zurich
know what Chris Palmer told us....but it ain't what
it says on the legal notice aka the Insurance Cerificate,
which IMHO is ambiguous.
In a court of law how do you _prove_ what was said within
internal company communications ?
Rathole deepens *8-)
Oh sorry...I said I'd shut up *;-]
Kevin.
|
2288.222 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu Jul 06 1995 16:05 | 14 |
| Kevin
I disagree to a certain extent that the certificate is ambiguous as it
states that Digital is the policy holder and that anyone can drive it
with the policy holder's permission.
As far as legal speak goes if a case went to court what they want to
know is did the driver of the car have the policy holder's permission.
As we know if they are under 25 or a learner they don't.
As keepers of the vehicle it is our responsibility to ensure that
anyone who drives it adheres to the guidelines of the policy holder.
Royston
|
2288.223 | My last word...honest ! | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Thu Jul 06 1995 16:21 | 28 |
| Royston,
Yep...in principle I agree with all of your comments...
But...
>> As keepers of the vehicle it is our responsibility to ensure that
>> anyone who drives it adheres to the guidelines of the policy holder.
How could anyone (in a court of law) _prove_ what
the guidelines are ? is internal E-Mail acceptable evidence?
What other form of notification have you received ? Anything
that you have signed to say that you are fully aware of
the recently changed guidelines ?
I'd expect this to be a minefield if it ever did appear
in a court.
IMHO the insurance certificate could have been made totally
unambiguous by stating the exceptions to the insurance cover.
I also think that would have made the issue of said certificates
to employees far more useful *;-]
Cheers,
Kevin.
|
2288.224 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Thu Jul 06 1995 16:32 | 15 |
| I can see where you are coming from but it's more striaght forward than
that.
Remember it is Digital that is the policy holder and holds the
policy from Zurich (or whoever the insurance is through) that would
detail the driving restrictions.
Say you had a personal car insured for any driver over 25 and you
lend to a friend for a while. You would tell him about the restrictions
so he would be aware of the situation.
Feel free to comment further.
Royston
|
2288.225 | | BAHTAT::DODD | | Thu Jul 06 1995 18:36 | 8 |
| Given that the insurance certificate says "anyone with permission..."
and the previous situation was anyone. Then if one could prove that one
had not seen the new notice I think Digital and the insurers would be
on dodgy ground.
eg if one had not logged in to one's mail account since the notice was
issued.
Andrew
|
2288.226 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Thu Jul 06 1995 19:01 | 11 |
| Just a quick question ...it seems you can't go by what is printed on the
new issued certificates.......So I'll ask here ....
Are we allowed to drive other cars under the new insurance ?
Can I jump behind the wheel and drive my cousins Rover 3500 SDI , that only
names him as a driver? And have cover .
I understand it used to work on the basis that I would have Third Party Cover.
K.R.
|
2288.227 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu Jul 06 1995 19:05 | 8 |
|
>>I understand it used to work on the basis that I would have Third Party Cover.
I understood that it covered you for the company car you were leasing
and that was it.
Chris.
|
2288.228 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Thu Jul 06 1995 20:14 | 6 |
| I think something has to be provided in writing (*not* email, bulletins
or whatever) for it to be legal, although I'm not certain of this. The
last hardcopy of the guidelines which I received do not say anything about
under 25s, learners or anything else.
Chris.
|
2288.229 | | GOVT02::BARKER | Careful with that AXP Eugene | Fri Jul 07 1995 17:23 | 16 |
| re .217
> I've just received the insurance pack from Lease Plan. It seems quite
> clear that
>
> . The policy holder is Digital
>
> . Anyone can drive with the policy holder's permission - and permission
> is only given to those with a full driving license over 25 which we
> were informed about seperately.
>
> . European breakdown cover at no extra cost.
So the bit about spouse/cohabitee has been dropped?
Nigel
|
2288.230 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri Jul 07 1995 17:36 | 6 |
| My apologies for the over simplification in .217
I was just trying to illustrate that it identifies Digital as the
policy holder rather that the driver who only holds a certificate.
Royston
|
2288.231 | Why not employee & one named driver? | GOVT02::BARKER | Careful with that AXP Eugene | Fri Jul 07 1995 17:37 | 25 |
| re .198
I've just been re-reading this & it's _still_ a mess.
> Co-habitee may be regarded as "live in partner". We have used
> this to cater for non-married couples and also persons living with
> people of the same gender.
For this to carry wieght in a legal sense it needs to be much more
strictly defined. It doesn't apply to me as I have been married to the same
person for many years but among the younger members of staff "live in partners"
may change pretty frequently. If someone moves in for a week or 2 are they
covered. As for same gender, what about people sharing a house with another
person of the same gender? Are they covered? After the car accident all you
have to say is that you are having a sexual relationship with your flatmate &
they are OK. Hang on though we can't have sexual relationship as the pure
definition as you could have a live in partner or even a spouse but for all
sorts of reasons (illness to name but one) do not have a sexual relationship.
Surely the simplest most sensible thing is to have the employee & one
named driver over 25. Then there is no dispute about whether one is a cohabitee
or not it would also satisy the odd situation mentione din another note that I
saw somehwere of a mother & adult daughter who is now not covered.
Nigel
|
2288.232 | .225+.226+.227+.228+.229 = Ambiguity *;-) | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Fri Jul 07 1995 17:41 | 16 |
| Judging by all for these comments I still hold the
belief that the Insurance Certificate is ambiguous
to an unacceptable degree.
From .228:
>> I think something has to be provided in writing...
Yep, as I've said I agree with this...my contention
is that you would normally expect these details to
be present on the Certificate of Motor Insurance.
Anyways...I'm retreading old ground here !
Kevin.
|
2288.233 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Fri Jul 07 1995 19:24 | 20 |
2288.234 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Jul 07 1995 19:30 | 7 |
| | Drivers are restricted to any licensed driver with the Digital
| custodian's permission.
so my 17 year old sister *is* still allowed to drive my car then, as
long as I give my permission?
Chris.
|
2288.235 | VTX .ne. Writing.... | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Fri Jul 07 1995 19:35 | 12 |
| Re: .233
>> Well VTX is quite unambiguous (last updated 10-May-1995)
Hmmm....I think I said writing...not electronic notice
boards that aren't "producable" to another interested
party - read Police/Court etc.
I rest my case *8-)
Kev.
|
2288.236 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri Jul 07 1995 19:41 | 12 |
| VTX is clearly out of date as the new policy only recently came out.
If you want to chance letting under 25 non-cohabitees drive your lease
car that's up to you. I think the certificate is fine as proof of
insurance but if it was taken further ie an accident then Zurich would
not entertain a claim.
VTX should be updated and I agree the certificate should be more
specific but I think it is worded in such a way to allow changes to the
policy.
Royston
|
2288.237 | Devils Advocate.... | FORTY2::WILKINS | XMR Team - DTN (830) 6884 | Fri Jul 07 1995 19:52 | 22 |
| Re -.1,
Hi Royston,
I'm playing Devils Advocate...I have _no_ intention
of risking points on my license for allowing uninsured
use of my lease car.
But...your observation about VTX being out of date is
a prime example of the problems that can be introduced
by lax wording on legal documents which force others to
"decide" what is correct based on their individual
assessment of what is right - cohabitee vs. spouse etc.
If we are advised of changes to the insurance policy
I would deem it a pre-requisite that are all informed
in writing and that data repositories such as VTX
are updated _prior_ to the changes taking effect.
Kev_case_rested !
|
2288.238 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | | Fri Jul 07 1995 19:59 | 13 |
| Kevin
I am in absolute total agreement with you. I have just had a chat
with Ian Wegg and he pointed out a very interesting thing.
If you remeber the restriction about under 25 non-cohabitees was
imposed by Zurich. So why do Zurich issue us a certificate saying
anyone can drive it with Digital's (the policy holder) permission.
VTX is now out of date on the new insurance details and European
breakdown cover not to mention a new FY96 PCL.
Royston
|
2288.239 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Jul 07 1995 20:11 | 9 |
| I was also playing Devil's Advocate to a certain extent. What worries me
is those people who may not have received or read the all-in-1 mail for
whatever reason (disappeared down a black hole, looked like junk so it
was overlooked, don't have an all-in-1 account) won't be any the wiser
about this, and may find themselves in trouble. Unfortunately, as someone
previously pointed out, as far as the courts are concerned, `ignorance
is no defence'.
Chris.
|
2288.240 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | | Wed Jul 12 1995 15:56 | 16 |
| While this doesn't affect me directly (it a while since I had
any friends that young and my kids are not old enough), I'm also
worried about the procedure used here.
I went on holiday while the old policy was in force and it changed
while I was away. Suppose an under-25 had been driving the car and
had an accident before I read the mail notifying me of the change. Who
would then be liable?
How many people today still DO NOT KNOW that they may be uninsured?
-----------
Yes, that was shouting.
Jc
|
2288.241 | Car cost spreadsheet available??? | FAILTE::GEDDESI | The Oily Rag | Fri Jul 14 1995 20:06 | 6 |
| Does anyone have a spreadsheet for working out the cost of a car in the
scheme vs opting out?
Thanks,
Iain
|
2288.242 | Slacker! | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Faster than a speeding TurboLaser | Fri Jul 14 1995 20:10 | 6 |
| Why aren't you out selling to BP? Its Q1 and we need the money!!!
Paul
ps - Had a good holiday?
|
2288.243 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Mon Jul 17 1995 19:20 | 34 |
| From: KERNEL::LARVAE::LARVAE::MRGATE::"RDGMTS::A1CHEFS::PALMER" "17-Jul-1995 1505" 17-JUL-1995 15:04:02.64
To: @Distribution_List
CC:
Subj: Important revision to Car Fleet changes
From: NAME: Chris Palmer @REO
FUNC: UK Insurance
TEL: (7)830 4911 <PALMER@A1CHEFS@RDGMTS>
To: See Below
Dear Colleague,
I refer to my recent communication regarding Car Fleet/Insurance
information, and in particular the changes in driver use.
The announced changes have resulted in some employees expressing
concern that alternative arrangements to cover under 25's are not
available. In response to this, a full review will take place and
our Insurers have been asked to continue to provide cover for
young drivers.
For the longer term, various alternatives are being explored and
will be reviewed by the Territory Management Team. As soon as a
decision is reached, I shall contact you again.
In the meantime, I am pleased to confirm that drivers under 25 may
drive your lease car with your consent.
Regards,
Chris Palmer
To Distribution List:
|
2288.244 | | PJLPC::PHIL | THE Marog from Mars | Mon Jul 17 1995 20:04 | 1 |
| Bravo!
|
2288.245 | grrr! | SNOOTY::HAWLEYI | Mr Flibble says: Game over boys | Mon Jul 17 1995 20:09 | 6 |
|
I went on holiday on 4th July touring around Scotland and had to drive
the whole 1500 miles thanks to this daft rule change. I'm glad to see
they've done a temporary u-turn but grrrr! why not sooner!!!
Ian.
|
2288.246 | | CHEFS::GEORGEM | lived eht pihsroW | Mon Jul 17 1995 20:35 | 3 |
| Can I borrow your car, now, Ian?
Matt$U25
|
2288.247 | clause 24 | SNOOTY::HAWLEYI | Mr Flibble says: Game over boys | Mon Jul 17 1995 21:11 | 5 |
| Matt,
You forget the bit about tall, Swansea supporting, Welsh students.
Ian.
|
2288.248 | | CHEFS::GEORGEM | lived eht pihsroW | Mon Jul 17 1995 21:12 | 1 |
| hrumph.
|
2288.249 | ...and learners? | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Tue Jul 18 1995 02:25 | 3 |
| Anybody know if the bit about having to hold a full licence still stands?
Chris.
|
2288.250 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Tue Jul 18 1995 18:34 | 6 |
|
re: quote for 405
Aren't they due for replacement soon anyway?
Chris.
|
2288.251 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Jul 19 1995 18:25 | 9 |
| Thanks to the folks that are putting quotes in 2288.
Could you please also include the model of the car in the title.
This makes it easier when doing a directory of the note.
I have changed the title of several recent replies to include the
models listed.
Royston (co-mod)
|
2288.252 | Multiple quotes? | CHEFS::GERRYT | | Thu Jul 20 1995 16:45 | 6 |
| I thought there were restrictions on the number of quotes you can request?
Looks like several have had responses to many requests!
I think I'll have a go!
Tim
|
2288.253 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Jul 28 1995 20:13 | 13 |
| I've just arranged a relief car whilst mine goes in for service next
week and Hertz have advised me that the policy has changed and they
will supply a Fiesta rather than a Mondeo and I will be invoiced for
petrol if the tank is not refilled.
The petrol request is fair enough but I don't understand why in
mid-lease the standard of replacement car should change as I thought
this cost would be built into the initial lease cost arrangement.
It doesn't bother me too much but yet again we have here an erosion
of benefit.
Royston
|
2288.254 | moan, moan | UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C | | Fri Jul 28 1995 21:37 | 13 |
| As a newcomer to DIGITAL, all this talk of erosion in benefits is
surprising. I have worked in two of our major competitors and DIGITAL
could show both how to treat employess with respect as well as how to
reward people for work well done. i think that that there are too many
pairs of rose tinted specs around at the moment.
It is inevitable that a company will try to reduce costs on such an
expensive overhead as a car scheme but it should also be borne in mind
that the scheme is one of the best even as it stands now. I would
rather see DIGITAL doing well and suffer the odd minor change than be
out of a job because of DIGITAL spending more than is necessary.
Satisfied of Basingstoke
|
2288.255 | Hire cars are too much bother | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS Dublin 11-15 September'95 | Fri Jul 28 1995 21:40 | 10 |
| re.253:
I usually arrange the service on a day I don't need the car, the garage picks it
up from the office car park and drops it back in time for me to go home.
If you need a car everyday then a Fiesta might not be a suitable replacement
(carrying equipment, travelling with customers, or long journeys) in which case
I'd kick up a stink.
Dave.
|
2288.256 | stupid, stupid | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS Dublin 11-15 September'95 | Fri Jul 28 1995 21:43 | 5 |
| re.254:
In that case, you won't mind if we half your salary, will you?
Dave.
|
2288.257 | Negativity! | UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C | | Sun Jul 30 1995 02:21 | 9 |
| I'm not sure if halving salaries constitutes minor suffering! There are
however some companies in our industry whose employess have probably
suffered nearly 50% cuts in salaries/benefits in real terms over the
last 4 years.
Seriously, DIGITAL is a good company to work for on the whole and the
car scheme still supports that.
|
2288.258 | Get real! | VESDAT::JKAXP1::Kennedy | Dr Chandra...will I dream? | Mon Jul 31 1995 13:07 | 8 |
| RE: .257 and a couple back.
1. We did not join those other companies, we joined Digital.
2. Name the companies that have cut salaries and benfits by 50%.
- John.
|
2288.259 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Jul 31 1995 13:29 | 12 |
| re: UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C
As a newcomer, welcome to Digital and this notesfile. Perhaps you would
care to sign in in note 3.
It is good to see that you are pleased with the package that Digital
offers you but please bear in mind that there are many folks here that
have not had pay increases for 5 years and seen their benifits becoming
less and less over the last few years as well. You will understand that
your comments may not be very well received by everyone.
Royston (co-moderator)
|
2288.260 | So? | WOTVAX::ROWEM | Frank Gamballi's Trousers | Mon Jul 31 1995 16:28 | 14 |
| Hmm
We've (OLO'ers) officially been supplied with "group c"? cars for
years e.g fiesta, when Digital pays for it e.g accident damage, I
believed that the conditions changed years ago to also include
Service times? Anyway out of countless hire cars over the years I've
only ever actually had a metro once, and have usually ended up with
Rover 416's or Cavaliers. It seems to be that the less notice you
give the hire company the more chance there is they'll send you
whatever they have in the lot.
Can't see it as a major issue? Gradual erosion of benefits seems have
followed gradual erosion of profit? Thats yer market economy for ya
Matt.
|
2288.261 | It's not that bad. | SHIPS::JACKSON_G | | Mon Jul 31 1995 17:21 | 10 |
| Re DIGITAL car policy Vs Others:
As another newcomer to DIGITAL, I can confirm that the policy is pretty
much in line with outside (will admit that the Vauxhall issue is a bit
of a bind), however it's still loads cheaper that running your own car
into the ground (and I can have a fast motor without worrying about
insuring it!)
On the whole I'm not unhappy, mind you I could do without waiting until
October for a poxy Calibra!
|
2288.262 | Don't think I'll ever have a co car again... | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Mon Jul 31 1995 18:00 | 33 |
2288.263 | | ESBS01::WATSON | Just one more time before I go. | Mon Jul 31 1995 18:25 | 10 |
2288.264 | Reality lives beyond DEC | UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C | | Mon Jul 31 1995 20:41 | 20 |
| Three other companies who have cut pay/benefits by at least 50% over
the last 4 years (mainly for o/c engineers):
1) AT&T GIS
2) Unisys
3) ICL - who have just announced another pay freeze by the way.
I think the depression sets in over a long period of time with one
employer when an employee remebers better times. The concern is that it
is all too easy to fall into the habit of talking oneself down. It is a
good idea, in these circumstances, to look around and see what has
happened to the likes of our competitors. If this brings no relief or
at least a feeling of "things couldbe a lot worse" then it is probably
time to cross to those greener pastures.
As a newcomer, one of the positive aspects of DIGITAL seems to be the
loyaly of its engineering employees. I would hope that such loyalty can
be rewarded when the fortunes of the company improve.
Since this is the CARS confrence, has anyone test driven the new Fiat
Coupe Turbo yet?
|
2288.265 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Jul 31 1995 20:48 | 9 |
2288.266 | More on the Fiat when I get time | ESBS01::WATSON | Just one more time before I go. | Mon Jul 31 1995 20:50 | 14 |
| Yes (To the Fiat Coupe Turbo) but. I took one out for a spin last week.
In short a nice car, well put together (for a Fiat, BMW/Honda won't
loose any sleep though) nippy but *monster* turbo lag. I wouldn't like
to drive on at (or close to) the limits for this reason alone.
In contrast I took A V-TEC Prelude out last weekend, not as striking as
the Fiat but what an engine - though I can see why people could dislike
the looks (Both inside (Star Trek) and out). CAR mag prefered the Fiat
over the Prelude (Over the 200SX & something else - Calibra ?).
I used to have a 2.3 Prelude and had no problems driving it
'progressivly'.
Rik
|
2288.267 | End of rathole? | VESDAT::JKAXP1::Kennedy | Dr Chandra...will I dream? | Mon Jul 31 1995 21:03 | 12 |
| RE: .264
>>> 3) ICL - who have just announced another pay freeze buy the way.
My brother-in-law, who works for ICL, gets paid more now than he did
four years ago, and his benefits have not substantially altered in
that time (so he tells me). I'm sure he would tell me if he had a pay
cut of 50%, in fact I'm sure anyone within a radius of half a mile
would hear him :-)
- John.
|
2288.268 | global view | UBOHUB::STEWARDSON_C | | Mon Jul 31 1995 21:27 | 29 |
| One of the lucky ones I guess - there wi`ll always be
exceptions but a large proportion of the engineering workforce took
crippling drops in on-call and overtime as well as poorer pension
contributions and a degraded car scheme which added up to around 50%
less when inflation over 4 years is taken into account.
|
2288.269 | | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Mon Jul 31 1995 23:03 | 14 |
2288.270 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Tue Aug 01 1995 01:35 | 5 |
| A friend who I went to college with got a job with ICL around the same
time I was employed. He now earns considerably more than me. Perhaps
that's because he's Grant Mitchell incarnate. :)
Chris.
|
2288.271 | | PANIC::IAN | | Tue Aug 01 1995 03:04 | 3 |
| re .269
As a matter of interest, what are you doing now?
|
2288.272 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Tue Aug 01 1995 13:33 | 3 |
| Can we take this personal banter off-line please
Royston (co-mod)
|
2288.273 | What reduction in VAT. | BRUMMY::WARNERD | | Wed Aug 09 1995 16:32 | 19 |
2288.274 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Aug 09 1995 20:15 | 19 |
| Dean
I think you miss the point of the PCL.
Digital supplies us with a certain grade of car (ie Cavalier 1.6)
or compensates us with an allowance.
If the cost of the lease goes up (or down) this is transparent to
us we just get the car as a benefit.
Abviously we can choose a higher or lower spec car and the lease cost
should reflect this.
We are not being ripped of if the lease cost goes down and it costs
digital less. The worrying thing is that if the leases are cheaper
because of the change in VAT then the allowance may be reduced to those
who've opted out of the scheme.
Royston
|
2288.275 | | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Wed Aug 09 1995 20:38 | 10 |
| Roy, I think I missed the point of the PCL too.
If Digital are being charged proportionately less for the same car, why
isn't the saving being passed on to the person leasing the car ? i.e.
why should Digital make more money out of a newer lease which could be
for the same car. I'm not explaning this very well, but I'm expecting
the lease costs to drop and am waiting for the results of the review of
the car scheme that should have happened in July.
tmp
|
2288.276 | | BAHTAT::DODD | | Wed Aug 09 1995 20:44 | 14 |
| If the cost of the lease dropped then I would expect Digital to reduce
the allowances. Where I think a saving might be seen by an employee who
contributes for a "better" car.
eg
Standard car costs 3500 allowance is 3500
lease cost drops to 3000 sllowance drops to 3000
extra car costs 4000 contribution 500
extra car drops to 3250 contribution now 250
All numbers are fictitous.
Andrew
|
2288.277 | Increase in Benefits ?????? | BRUMMY::WARNERD | | Wed Aug 09 1995 21:04 | 15 |
|
Re:> Looks like you're on to a looser Royston
The point I was trying to make is that the reduction in cost due to
the changes in VAT should be passed on to the end user therefore
contributing to an "INCREASE" in benefits for a change.
I've heard on the grapevine that the re-assessed prices for the PCL
are being discussed sometime in the very near future and have not
yet been posted due to the changes in VAT.
Dean.
|
2288.293 | | WOTVAX::stus.olo.dec.com::HATTOS | Its Simple, but it's not easy | Wed Aug 09 1995 21:12 | 6 |
| Yeah, sorry not very descriptive, well misleading maybe!
Have LeasPlan not chased you about your 3 year old? They seem pretty hot
on this from experiences colleagues here have had.
|
2288.278 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Aug 09 1995 21:21 | 14 |
2288.279 | How to get a quote | SNOTTY::BARRY | Ploppy Sir, Son of Ploppy | Thu Aug 17 1995 15:10 | 15 |
| Hi All,
Sorry if this is a basic question........
I would like to get some quotes for some two seater sports cars but dont know
how to go about it. The quotes are out of interest and a thought for the
future.......
Do you have to be changing your car soon to get a quote and are there ANY
restrictions to which cars you can get a quote for. For example, is it possible
to get a quote for a very high range car like a TVR Griffith ??
Regards
Barry
|
2288.281 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Aug 17 1995 15:16 | 17 |
| There should be no reason why you can't get a quote for any new car
available in the UK regardless of price. However, your manager will
have the final say if he/she decides it is not practical.
The old formular was that you had to be changing the car soon (up to
6 weeks ?) and were allowed 2 quotes. This wasn't checked however as I
know of folks who put through many quotes before ordering.
Hertz/PHH cars have (used to have?) a 2 month window where they could
be returned and your new car delivered which means if you don't like
your current car you could time it with an order to replace it 2 months
early.
Things may have changed with LeasePlan. Anyone know the current state
of play ?
Royston
|
2288.282 | | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Thu Aug 17 1995 15:17 | 8 |
| Can't say how to go about it...
but surely getting quote like this 'just out of interest' is adding extra
admin that Digital can do without paying for?
Xtine
|
2288.283 | | BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL | Martin Bell, M&U PSC, @BBP | Thu Aug 17 1995 15:41 | 6 |
| Why not phone up Leaseplan and _ask_?
They can probably give you a ballpark figure, and after all, it is
their job to help out, 'cos they will take your money if you bite!
mb
|
2288.284 | | GOVT04::BARKER | Careful with that AXP Eugene | Fri Aug 18 1995 22:07 | 13 |
| re .282
> Can't say how to go about it...
>
> but surely getting quote like this 'just out of interest' is adding extra
> admin that Digital can do without paying for?
Aha, but now that Car Fleet has been privatised to LeasePlan it is
_not_ extra admin that Digital is paying for. Mind you I don't know what you
want a quote for, these Vauxhalls are jolly nice & much cheaper than the other
cars.
Nigel Barker
|
2288.285 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Fri Aug 25 1995 20:26 | 2 |
| someone said a while back that they were getting a quote for a MGF. Has
anyone seen it? :Kevin
|
2288.286 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Tue Sep 05 1995 21:10 | 7 |
|
re:2290.89
Looks like the Nissan is the best quote out of that lot. GT4 price is
probably screwed by the insurance rating.
Chris.
|
2288.287 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Tue Sep 05 1995 21:15 | 7 |
2288.288 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Tue Sep 05 1995 21:27 | 12 |
2288.289 | | CHEFS::MARCHR | RUPERT MARCH | Wed Sep 06 1995 15:18 | 8 |
| Ref recent quotes and other I've got from Lease plan recently for BMWs.
Does anyone know if there is any light at the end of the tunnel - has
Vauxhall still got the monopoly on good discounts for another year? I
had heard Rover/BMW were trying to muscle in. Fact, fiction or wishful
thinking??!!
Rupert
|
2288.290 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Sep 06 1995 15:29 | 14 |
| Rupert, I'd heard various things over the last 12 months or so about
possible changes.
First of all that we weren't ordering anywhere near the volume of
Vauxhalls due to rightsizing and folks opting out of the scheme and
this bred the thought that the discount would be lost. Secondly that
a deal with Rover would be a good idea as it would better cement the
relationalship between Digital and Rover Group.
I was at least expecting a revamp of the lease costs in the PCL at the
begininning of FY96 and a change to the car allowance.
Royston
|
2288.291 | horses mouth... | BRUMMY::HATTONM | I could fit in an unmod'ed Mclaren, at half the price | Wed Sep 06 1995 19:43 | 7 |
|
Wishful thinking..... I asked about a change before I put my order in
at the end of June and I was "assured" that we would be with Vauxhall
for "at least" the next year and probably two.
- MARK -
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2288.292 | | CHEFS::MARCHR | RUPERT MARCH | Thu Sep 07 1995 18:22 | 8 |
| ref .291
Mark,
Who did you ask? Leaseplan, Purchasing or HR - they all seem to have a
stake.
Rupert
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2288.294 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Fri Sep 08 1995 17:37 | 19 |
| My current car is about to see its first M.O.T. ....end of lease at end
of October. Anyone got any ideas of when the Vectra prices will appear on the
P.C.L. ? I would imagine they will be about the same as the Cavaliers.
The car allowance will now be based on the cost of a base model Vectra ...like
it was on the cost of a base model Cavalier....I assume ?
I will hang onto my current car until I can order a new Vectra.
I have done about 63,000 miles ......I will hand the car back with 70,000 on the
clock...its a P.H.H. car. Having been told by someone in car fleet that I must
not go over 60,000 in any circumstances...and order a car now and hire one
for use until delivery. Last phone call to fleet I was told don't matter too
much going over 60,000 as all cars are pooled. And those going over 60,000
miles are balanced against those going back at end of lease with say 40,000
on the clock.
K.rR.
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2288.295 | speculation | MUGGER::GRAHAM | Graham Smith, Solution Support Group | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:51 | 69 |
2288.296 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Fri Sep 08 1995 20:07 | 27 |
| ;-1
What I mean by last call to fleet .....
Is ..I pick up telephone ...tap in magic numbers......
And some answers....
Me "Can you tell me when the prices for Vectras will be available"
Fleet "In a couple of weeks"
Me " O.K. I will call back then...P.S. my cars now done 63,000 miles so I
Need to order a new one soon...are we charged for excess miles over 60,000?"
Fleet "Who is the car via ...."
Me "P.H.H."
Fleet "Thats O.K. ...we pool all the cars together and those under 60,000 miles
help cancel those over"
Does the above help ?
K.R.
Kevin Raven
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2288.297 | Appears we are surcharged! | ARRODS::HEWITTC | Comms=tin cans+wet string | Mon Sep 11 1995 17:11 | 9 |
| Leaseplan have just told me that Hertz have told them that I have done
48k miles and, I quote:
"As Digital are charged excess mileage if the vehicle goes over 60,000
miles please confirm with Lease Plan that the mileage is correct so
that we can arrange to shorten the lease and allow you to order another
car."
Colin.
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2288.298 | | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Mon Sep 11 1995 18:25 | 6 |
| It would seem from the conversations that there is a difference between
the contract with Hertz and the one with PHH.
Xtine
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2288.299 | | KERNEL::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Mon Sep 11 1995 21:02 | 4 |
| Eh ? Both PHH and Hertz charge for cars over the 60,000 but it appears
that they try and catch the ones that are going to go way over.
tmp
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2288.300 | | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Tue Sep 12 1995 19:16 | 15 |
| Sorry,
I read between the lines that PHH aren't charging as much for
over-milegage cars and are willing to offset the ones that go back
under mileage, so Leaseplan is less picky about them being returned
whereas Hertz are sticky about mileage, and charge enough to make
Leaseplan insist they go back "on time"
Sometimes I can't control that assumptive leap ;-)!
Xtine
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2288.301 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Thu Sep 14 1995 18:15 | 6 |
| >>heard Rover/BMW were trying to muscle in.
Sorry to disappoint you but I read that Rover sales are down 11% since
last year due to them "withdrawing from the unprofitable fleet business"
:Kevin
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2288.302 | | 42441::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Sep 20 1995 13:43 | 19 |
| Interesting mail from Pat Axford re benchmark cars for FY96 (should we
start a new topic ?).
It lists the following
level 1-7 Cavalier 1.6 GLS Supp 2950
8-9 Cavalier 2.0 GLS 3560
10-11 Omega 2.0 GL 4460
12+ Omega 2.0 CD 4940
Good news that the new list will hold and even reduce existing prices.
The funny thing is that there is no such model as a Cavalier '1.6' GLS
or Omega 2.0 'GL'. It will be fun to try and order these models.
I would have thought that the new Vectra models should have been taken
into consideration as the benchmark models for FY96.
Royston
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2288.303 | | CHEFS::CARTERC | | Wed Sep 20 1995 14:22 | 4 |
| Wasn't the level 8-9 model a 2.0 SRi? A GLS isn't quite the same....
Xtine
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2288.304 | | 42441::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Sep 20 1995 14:42 | 6 |
2288.305 | Let's wait and see | MILE::JENKINS | | Thu Sep 21 1995 18:20 | 18 |
2288.306 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Thu Sep 21 1995 20:07 | 14 |
2288.307 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Sep 21 1995 20:44 | 11 |
| >>The prices should be based on the Vectra
I have mailed Pat Axford (he or a she?) pointing out the errors in the
model names and asked about Vectra pricing.
The only reason I can think of as to why the Vectra models were not
listed is that the review took place back in July.
Are details about Vectra models available yet ?
Royston
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2288.308 | Price hike this FY?? | BRUMMY::BRACEY | There ain't no sanity clause | Thu Sep 21 1995 22:10 | 18 |
| I think we are missing the point here. The current driver price of an
Omega is.
GLS 4210
CD 4511
The benchmark price is
GL(S?) 4460 L10/11 Supp
CD 4960 L12 Supp
it seems to me that this is an (un) subtle way of telling us that
driver prices will soon be going up butallowances will remain as is.
Guy
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2288.309 | I'm puzzled | WOTVAX::HARDYP | | Fri Sep 22 1995 12:41 | 12 |
| Guy,
Maybe I'm missing your point but shouldn't you be glad that, according
to your figures, an opportunity to lower the supplemets has been passed
over by management. For example the L10/11 could have been dropped to
4210 (your GLS price) and the L12 to 4511 (your CD price).
It looks like a good deal to me!
Peter
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2288.310 | Pat Axford is a she. | BAHTAT::DODD | | Fri Sep 22 1995 14:25 | 1 |
|
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2288.311 | | BRUMMY::BRACEY | There ain't no sanity clause | Fri Sep 22 1995 14:48 | 9 |
| Re 309
Surely raising the price has the same effect as dropping the allowance
either way it will cost the driver more to drive the same car.
Guy
I don't think I'm missing anything here?????
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2288.312 | Wait till the new PCL is out | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Sep 22 1995 15:10 | 13 |
| Guy
The mail was very ambiguous. It says they review the benchmark cars and
set the allowance accordingly. We are lucky I suppose that they don't
decide on a 1.2 Corsa Merit.
All the mail is saying to me is that the allowances are not changing
and will allow employees to get the benchmark cars with their
supplement possibly with some change for 'fuel for personal, social and
domestic use' as suggested in the Car Supplement section in vtx. You
should read this if you want a laugh.
Royston
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2288.313 | New PCL? | WELCLU::MANRO | | Fri Sep 22 1995 19:29 | 5 |
| re: -1
When is the new PCL due out?
Rgds, Sheleen.
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2288.314 | Should be by Xmas | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Sep 22 1995 19:41 | 9 |
2288.315 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Tue Sep 26 1995 01:31 | 5 |
| As the new PCL is due in VTX soon, I thought it might be wise
to keep a copy of the FY95 one for comparison. I'll put it
in the next reply (it's 172 lines).
Ian.
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2288.316 | | KERNEL::WEGG | Ian Wegg - UK TSC | Tue Sep 26 1995 01:32 | 172 |
| CORSA 3-DOOR MODELS
1000 MERIT 1.2I 3-DR H/B 2075
1002 MERIT 1.2I (E-DRIVE) 3-DR H/B 2118
1004 MERIT 1.5D 3-DR H/B 2068
1006 LS 1.2I 3-DR H/B 2206
1008 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 3-DR H/B 2265
1009 " " " AUTO 3-DR H/B 2437
1010 LS 1.5TD 3-DR H/B 2273
1014 SRI 1.4I 16V (82 PS) 3-DR H/B 2511
1016 GSI 1.6I 16V 3-DR H/B 3088
CORSA 5-DOOR MODELS
1018 MERIT 1.2I 5-DR H/B 4SPD 2141
1020 MERIT 1.5D 5-DR H/B 2133
1022 LS 1.2I 5-DR H/B 2271
1023 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) AUTO 5-DR H/B 2500
1024 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 5-DR H/B 2330
1025 LS 1.5TD 5-DR H/B 2438
1026 GLS 1.5TD 5-DR H/B 2438
1028 GLS 1.2I 5-DR H/B 2345
1030 GLS 1.4I (82 PS) 16V 5-DR H/B 2469
1032 GLS 1.4I 16V AUTO 5-DR H/B 2704
1032A CDX 1.4I 16V 5DR H/B 3150
1033A CDX 1.4I 16V AUTO 5DR H/B 3346
TIGRA
1040 1.4i 16V 3DR COUPE 3629
1042 1.6I 16V 3DR COUPE 4186
ASTRA SALOONS
1054 LS 1.4I (82 PS) 4DR SAL 2496
1056 LS 1.7D 4DR SAL 2534
1062 GLS 1.6I MANUAL 4DR SAL 2787
1064 GLS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2818
ASTRA 3-DOOR HATCHBACKS
1078 MERIT 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 3DR H/B 2273
1079 MERIT 1.4I (82 PS) AUTO 3DR H/B 2406
1080 MERIT 1.6I (E-DRIVE) 3DR H/B 2373
1082 MERIT 1.7D 3DR H/B 2370
1084 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 3DR H/B 2381
1095 SPORT 1.8I 16V 3DR H/B 3399
1096 CONVERTIBLE 1.6 2DR
1097 CONVERTIBLE 1.8 2DR
ASTRA 5-DOOR HATCHBACKS
1100 MERIT 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 5DR H/B 2325
1101 MERIT 1.4I (82 PS) AUTO 5DR H/B 2459
1102 MERIT 1.6I (E-DRIVE) 5DR H/B 2428
1104 MERIT 1.7D 5DR H/B 2424
1106 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 5DR H/B 2431
1108 LS 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR H/B 2496
1109 LS 1.6I (E-DRIVE) 5DR H/B 2502
1110 LS 1.7D 5DR H/B 2534
1112 LS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2673
1114 GLS 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR H/B 2569
1116 GLS 1.6I 5DR H/B 2787
1118 GLS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2818
1120A SPORT 1.6I 16V 5DR H/B 3043
1122A SPORT 1.7TD 5DR H/B 3017
1124A SPORT 1.8I 16V 5DR H/B 3459
1125A CDX 1.6 16V 5DR H/B 3604
1126A CDX 1.6 16V AUTO 5DR H/B 3940
1127A CDX 1.7 TURBO DIESEL 5DR H/B 3433
1128A CDX 2.0 16V 5DR H/B 3952
1129A CDX 2.0 16V AUTO 5DR H/B 4189
ASTRA ESTATES
1138 MERIT 1.4I (HI TORQ) 5DR EST 2424
1140 MERIT 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR EST 2467
1142 MERIT 1.7D 5DR EST 2522
1144 LS 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR EST 2594
1146 LS 1.7D 5DR EST 2636
1148 LS 1.7TD 5DR EST 2772
1152 GLS 1.6I 5DR EST 2880
1154 GLS 1.7TD 5DR EST 2917
1155 SPORT 1.8I 16V 5DR EST 3372
1155A CDX 1.6 16V 5DR EST 3663
1156A CDX 1.6 16V AUTO 5DR EST 3849
1157A CDX 2.0 16V 5DR EST 3895
1158A CDX 2.0 16V AUTO 5DR EST 4197
CAVALIER SALOONS
1160 ENVOY 1.6I 4DR SAL 2702
1162 ENVOY1.7D 4DR SAL 2677
1164 ENVOY 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2757
1166 LS 1.6I 4DR SAL 2843
1170 LS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2934
1172 LS 1.8I 4DR SAL 2845
1174 LS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3046
1178 GLS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 3061
1180 GLS 1.8I 4DR SAL 3009
1182 GLS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3213
1184 GLS V6 2.5I 24V 4DR SAL 4155
1186 CDX 1.7 TD 4 DR SAL 3491
1188 CDX 2.0 I 16V 4DR SAL 3909
1190 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL VELOUR 4706
1192 " " " " " " LEATHER 4759
1194 SRI 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3713
CAVALIER HATCHBACKS
1200 ENVOY 1.6I 5DR H/B 2724
1202 ENVOY1.7D 5DR H/B 2699
1204 ENVOY 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2778
1206 LS 1.6I 5DR H/B 2863
1210 LS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2915
1212 LS 1.8I 5DR H/B 2865
1214 LS 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3067
1218 GLS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 3081
1220 GLS 1.8I 5DR H/B 3029
1222 GLS 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3233
1224 V6 2.5I 24V 5DR H/B 4175
1226 CDX 1.7 TD 5DR H/B 3513
1228 CDX 2.0 I 16V 5DR H/B 3932
1230 CDX 2.5I V6 5DR H/B VELOUR 4683
1232 " " " " " LEATHER 4782
1234 SRI 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3735
OMEGA SALOONS
1302 SELECT 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 4060
1304 SELECT 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 4457
1306 GLS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 4210
1308 GLS 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL 4600
1310 GLS 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 4609
1312 CD 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 4511
1314 CD 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL 4754
1316 CD 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 4913
1318 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL 5306
1320 CDX 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 5487
1322 ELITE 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 5915
1324 ELITE 3.0 V6 4DR SAL 5939
OMEGA ESTATES
1332 SELECT 2.0I 16V 5DR EST 3979
1334 SELECT 2.5 TD 5DR EST 4314
1336 GLS 2.0I 16V 5DR EST 4116
1338 GLS 2.5I V6 24V 5DR EST 4351
1340 GLS 2.5 TD 5DR EST 4455
1342 CD 2.0I 16V 5DR EST 4398
1344 CD 2.5I V6 24V 5DR EST 4617
1346 CD 2.5 TD 5DR EST 4732
1348 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 5DR EST 5133
1350 CDX 2.5 TD 5DR EST 5265
1352 ELITE 3.0 V6 24V 5DR EST 5629
1354 ELITE 2.5 TD 5DR EST 5550
CALIBRA
1400 8V 2.0I 3DR COUPE 3708
1402 16V 2.0I 3DR COUPE CLOTH 4033
1404 " " " " LEATHER 4112
1406 2.5I V6 3DR CLOTH 4745
1408 " " " LEATHER 4823
1410 TURBO 16V 4 X 4 2.0I 3DR COUPE CLOTH 5138
1412 " " " " " " LEATHER 5219
FRONTERA
1500 2.0I SPORT 3DR 3587
1502 2.0I SPORT SOFT-TOP 3643
1504 2.4I ESTATE 5DR 4087
1506 2.3TD ESTATE 5DR 4235
1506A 2.0I S SPORT 3DR 3658
1507A 2.2I 16V 5DR 4276
1508A 2.8TD 3DR 3987
1509A 2.8TD S 3DR 4128
MONTEREY
1600 RS 3.2I V6 3DR 6040
1602 RS 3.2I V6 AUTO 3DR 6285
1604 RS 3.1 TD 3DR 5726
1606 LTD 3.2I V6 5DR 6370
1608 LTD 3.2I V6 AUTO 5DR 6618
1610 LTD 3.1 TD 5DR 6035
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2288.317 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Tue Sep 26 1995 12:29 | 5 |
|
Thanks Ian for posting the FY95 prices. It will be interesting to
compare with the new prices.
Royston
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2288.318 | the new lower prices.... | CHEFS::NONDEP | A complaint is a cry for help | Tue Sep 26 1995 14:18 | 1 |
|
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2288.319 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Tue Sep 26 1995 18:20 | 17 |
| NEWSFLASH
I've just received a courteous reply from Pat Axford after I mailed
her about the errors in the benchmark car model letters.
She confirms that the Cavalier 1.6 GLS should be LS and the Omega 2.0
GL should be the GLS.
Vectra prices should appear in vtx by next week.
She also says that prices for all existing Vauxhall models and the car
supplement remain fixed for the remainder of the year until 30 June
1996.
So I guess this means no revised prices at all in the PCL.
Royston
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2288.320 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Wed Sep 27 1995 20:31 | 20 |
2288.321 | I thought the same when I first read the mail | MILE::JENKINS | | Wed Sep 27 1995 22:44 | 18 |
|
Re .320 :Kevin
I think the mail was somewhat confusing. The mail states the level
allowances (not the car price) and provides as a reference the standard
car for that level. I suspect this was done to show how overcompensated
we all are i.e. we allow you 'x' but it only costs 'y'.
An earlier message suggests that all cars apart from the Vectras
will be the same prices as last year - generous you may think....
except that the lease companies are getting the cars 17.5% cheaper
since August 95 as they can now claim back the VAT on all the new
cars they lease.
Richard.
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2288.322 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Oct 02 1995 12:47 | 16 |
2288.323 | VECTRA PRICES AVAILABLE | CHEFS::WEAVERD | | Mon Oct 02 1995 18:00 | 5 |
| VECTRA prices released today. Leaseplan will mail you if you ask, or
should be on VTX in a couple of days.
Delivery 8-10 weeks, but orders placed BEFORE launch date on 19th
October will have shorter lead time.
|
2288.324 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Oct 02 1995 18:06 | 6 |
| Feel free to post any Vectra prices if you get them before they appear
on vtx.
Thanks
Royston
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2288.325 | VECTRA PRICES NOW ON VTX | WOTVAX::ROXBURGHA | | Mon Oct 02 1995 18:10 | 4 |
|
The VECTRA price are now on VTX. Not sure that the price increases
are in line with the 1.6% retail price increase by Vauxhall...!
|
2288.326 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Mon Oct 02 1995 18:16 | 55 |
|
From VTX...
4 Door Models
PCL Numbers Model Price
18000 1.6 16v LS 3,004
18001 1.6 16v GLS 3,198
18002 1.7 TDS LS 3,084
18003 1.7 TDS GLS 3,279
18004 1.7 TDS CDX 3,810
18005 1.8 16v LS 3,029
18006 1.8 16v GLS 3,224
18007 2.0 16v GLS 3,548
18008 2.0 16v SRi 3,967
18009 2.0 16v CDX 4,238
18010 2.5 V6 GLS 4,501
18011 2.5 V6 CDX 5,342
5 Door Models
18012 1.6 8v Envoy 2,827
18013 1.6 16v LS 3,004
18014 1.6 16v GLS 3,198
18015 1.7 TDS Envoy 2,970
18016 1.7 TDS LS 3,084
18017 1.7 TDS GLS 3,279
18018 1.7 TDS CDX 3,910
18019 1.8 16v LS 3,029
18020 1.8 16v GLS 3,223
18021 2.0 16v GLS 3,548
18022 2.0 16v SRi 4,167
18023 2.0 16v CDX 4,438
18024 2.5 V6 GLS 4,501
18025 2.5 V6 CDX 5,442
Option Availability & Prices
Option Envoy LS GLS CDX SRi Price
Passenger Airbag 80
Security Alarm 40
Air Conditioning 151
Air Conditioning With
Sunroof Deleted 66
Cruise Control 67
500 Radio/cd 40
Leather trim 254
Velour Trim (CDX V6 only) n/c
Winter Pack 46
Auto Transmission 151
Sunroof Deleted 00
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2288.327 | Time to get on this case ! | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Oct 02 1995 18:29 | 6 |
| Hmm, the base car allowance should cover the LS model as this is the
Cavalier replacement.
Erosion of benefit time !
Royston
|
2288.328 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Mon Oct 02 1995 18:34 | 8 |
|
Yep, they're swindling us out of a tenner now.
Most of the prices have gone up quite a bit, 2/3/4/500 quid for some of
'em - the V6's seem to be up the most.
Chris.
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2288.329 | Omega erosion of benifits or wot? | BRUMMY::BRACEY | There ain't no sanity clause | Mon Oct 02 1995 19:07 | 3 |
| The new Omega prices tell us once again that our benefits will continue
to be eroded untill they are worth sweet FA.
Guy
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2288.330 | Loadsamoney! | MILE::JENKINS | | Mon Oct 02 1995 19:17 | 6 |
|
Yes. So much for "prices will be held", "some will be cheaper".
Most prices seem to have gone up by around 10%.
Richard.
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2288.331 | Prices up but allowance remains the same | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Oct 02 1995 19:17 | 9 |
| Well folks I seem to have got it wrong.
Pat Axford mailed me the other day to say that there would be no
changes to the PCL apart from the inclusion of the Vectra range.
I either misunderstood her or she is not completely aware of what is
going on.
Royston
|
2288.332 | | WOTVAX::ROXBURGHA | | Mon Oct 02 1995 19:18 | 4 |
|
Apparently the prices last seen were based on July 1994 models hence the
increase across the board...
|
2288.333 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Oct 02 1995 20:10 | 7 |
| Its curious that even thr Cavalier prices have been increased.
The LS 1.6 is 3,153
This is a just a couple of weeks are being informed that the allowance
for this benchmark car is 2,950 !
Royston
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2288.334 | | CHEFS::MARCHR::marchr | | Mon Oct 02 1995 21:46 | 4 |
| Well I put my new car request into Lease plan just before the prices
changed. I'm sure they'll honour the old price list. Wont they?
Rupert - waiting to get shafted by HR/Fleet
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2288.335 | Just-in-time? | CHEFS::GERRYT | | Tue Oct 03 1995 16:22 | 7 |
| Rupert,
I just checked on my order with LeAseplan, and they are holding the
pre-increase price, as the order was in before the date of the
increase...whenever that was!
Tim
|
2288.336 | | CHEFS::MARCHR::marchr | | Tue Oct 03 1995 19:11 | 1 |
| Fingers crossed!
|
2288.337 | The Peasants Revolt - 1995 | CHEFS::MARTIN_R | | Wed Oct 04 1995 15:34 | 13 |
| Hey, your not kidding about the LEASEPLAN prices increasing... What
sort of garbage is that about Cavalier prices increasing - GM dealers
can't seem to give them away at present.
I was looking forward to see what price deductions would be passed onto
the car user given that LEASEPLAN now claim 100% tax relief on their
new vehicles. Does anyone of you out there know of any vehicles that have
decreased / held their price. ( in line with the car allowance price
freeze ... )
Seems like there is now a vacancy for a budding 'Wyatt Tyler' to take
up the case of the 'ESSENTIAL' car users. Any prices from other leasing
companies to compare with LEASEPLAN'S deal ?
|
2288.338 | | 42619::GRAHAM | Graham Smith, Solution Support Group | Wed Oct 04 1995 15:40 | 4 |
| Well, I've spotted two that have not increased.
The Cavalier 1.6LS and Cavalier 2.0GLS.
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2288.339 | Old v New comparison | MILE::JENKINS | | Wed Oct 04 1995 15:56 | 222 |
| re .338
Sorry, your statement is wrong. Both the models you specified have gone
up in price.
Below is a listing of the old and new prices.
Richard.
CORSA 3-DOOR MODELS
1000 MERIT 1.2I 3-DR H/B 2075 2078
1002 MERIT 1.2I (E-DRIVE) 3-DR H/B 2118
1004 MERIT 1.5D 3-DR H/B 2068 2210
1006 LS 1.2I 3-DR H/B 2206 2219
1008 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 3-DR H/B 2265 2276
1009 " " " AUTO 3-DR H/B 2437 2553
1010 LS 1.5TD 3-DR H/B 2273 2425
1014 SRI 1.4I 16V (82 PS) 3-DR H/B 2511 2529
1016 GSI 1.6I 16V 3-DR H/B 3088
CORSA 5-DOOR MODELS
1018 MERIT 1.2I 5-DR H/B 4SPD 2141 2184
1020 MERIT 1.5D 5-DR H/B 2133 2270
1022 LS 1.2I 5-DR H/B 2271 2332
1023 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) AUTO 5-DR H/B 2500 2619
1024 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 5-DR H/B 2330 2490
1025 LS 1.5TD 5-DR H/B 2438 2482
1026 GLS 1.5TD 5-DR H/B 2438 2609
1028 GLS 1.2I 5-DR H/B 2345 2422
1030 GLS 1.4I (82 PS) 16V 5-DR H/B 2469 2697
1032 GLS 1.4I 16V AUTO 5-DR H/B 2704 2925
1032A CDX 1.4I 16V 5DR H/B 3150 3050
1033A CDX 1.4I 16V AUTO 5DR H/B 3346 3220
TIGRA
1040 1.4i 16V 3DR COUPE 3629 3622
1042 1.6I 16V 3DR COUPE 4186 4243
ASTRA SALOONS
1054 LS 1.4I (82 PS) 4DR SAL 2496 2971
1056 LS 1.7D 4DR SAL 2534 2817
1062 GLS 1.6I MANUAL 4DR SAL 2787 3145
1064 GLS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2818 3067
ASTRA 3-DOOR HATCHBACKS
1078 MERIT 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 3DR H/B 2273 2580
1079 MERIT 1.4I (82 PS) AUTO 3DR H/B 2406 2749
1080 MERIT 1.6I (E-DRIVE) 3DR H/B 2373 2628
1082 MERIT 1.7D 3DR H/B 2370 2591
1084 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 3DR H/B 2381 2710
1095 SPORT 1.8I 16V 3DR H/B 3399 3633
1096 CONVERTIBLE 1.6 2DR
1097 CONVERTIBLE 1.8 2DR
ASTRA 5-DOOR HATCHBACKS
1100 MERIT 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 5DR H/B 2325 2643
1101 MERIT 1.4I (82 PS) AUTO 5DR H/B 2459 2811
1102 MERIT 1.6I (E-DRIVE) 5DR H/B 2428 2690
1104 MERIT 1.7D 5DR H/B 2424 2650
1106 LS 1.4I (HI-TORQ) 5DR H/B 2431 2769
1108 LS 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR H/B 2496 2871
1109 LS 1.6I (E-DRIVE) 5DR H/B 2502 2958
1110 LS 1.7D 5DR H/B 2534
1112 LS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2673 2986
1114 GLS 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR H/B 2569 2953
1116 GLS 1.6I 5DR H/B 2787 3259
1118 GLS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2818 3167
1120A SPORT 1.6I 16V 5DR H/B 3043 3164
1122A SPORT 1.7TD 5DR H/B 3017 3079
1124A SPORT 1.8I 16V 5DR H/B 3459 3699
1125A CDX 1.6 16V 5DR H/B 3604 3557
1126A CDX 1.6 16V AUTO 5DR H/B 3940
1127A CDX 1.7 TURBO DIESEL 5DR H/B 3433 3286
1128A CDX 2.0 16V 5DR H/B 3952 3842
1129A CDX 2.0 16V AUTO 5DR H/B 4189
ASTRA ESTATES
1138 MERIT 1.4I (HI TORQ) 5DR EST 2424 2716
1140 MERIT 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR EST 2467 2761
1142 MERIT 1.7D 5DR EST 2522 2671
1144 LS 1.4I (82 PS) 5DR EST 2594 2939
1146 LS 1.7D 5DR EST 2636 2832
1148 LS 1.7TD 5DR EST 2772 2995
1152 GLS 1.6I 5DR EST 2880 3209
1154 GLS 1.7TD 5DR EST 2917 3170
1155 SPORT 1.8I 16V 5DR EST 3372 3405
1155A CDX 1.6 16V 5DR EST 3663 3483
1156A CDX 1.6 16V AUTO 5DR EST 3849
1157A CDX 2.0 16V 5DR EST 3895 3795
1158A CDX 2.0 16V AUTO 5DR EST 4197
CAVALIER SALOONS
1160 ENVOY 1.6I 4DR SAL 2702 2985
1162 ENVOY1.7D 4DR SAL 2677 2856
1164 ENVOY 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2757 2948
1166 LS 1.6I 4DR SAL 2843 2950
1170 LS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2934 3106
1172 LS 1.8I 4DR SAL 2845 3159
1174 LS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3046 3519
1178 GLS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 3061 3294
1180 GLS 1.8I 4DR SAL 3009 3356
1182 GLS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3213 3560
1184 GLS V6 2.5I 24V 4DR SAL 4155 4497
1186 CDX 1.7 TD 4 DR SAL 3491 3770
1188 CDX 2.0 I 16V 4DR SAL 3909 4238
1190 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL VELOUR 4706 5068
1192 " " " " " " LEATHER 4759 5126
1194 SRI 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3713 4078
CAVALIER HATCHBACKS
1200 ENVOY 1.6I 5DR H/B 2724 2935
1202 ENVOY1.7D 5DR H/B 2699 2830
1204 ENVOY 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2778 2926
1206 LS 1.6I 5DR H/B 2863 2950
1210 LS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2915 3084
1212 LS 1.8I 5DR H/B 2865 3189
1214 LS 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3067 3494
1218 GLS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 3081 3269
1220 GLS 1.8I 5DR H/B 3029 3396
1222 GLS 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3233 3560
1224 V6 2.5I 24V 5DR H/B 4175 4471
1226 CDX 1.7 TD 5DR H/B 3513 3662
1228 CDX 2.0 I 16V 5DR H/B 3932 4425
1230 CDX 2.5I V6 5DR H/B VELOUR 4683 5283
1232 " " " " " LEATHER 4782 5344
1234 SRI 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3735 4053
CAVALIER SALOONS v VECTRA SALOON prices
1160 ENVOY 1.6I 4DR SAL 2702 2985
1162 ENVOY1.7D 4DR SAL 2677 2856
1164 ENVOY 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2757 2948
1166 LS 1.6I 4DR SAL 2843 3004
1170 LS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 2934 3084
1172 LS 1.8I 4DR SAL 2845 3029
1174 LS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3046
1178 GLS 1.7TD 4DR SAL 3061 3279
1180 GLS 1.8I 4DR SAL 3009 3224
1182 GLS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3213 3548
1184 GLS V6 2.5I 24V 4DR SAL 4155 4501
1186 CDX 1.7 TD 4 DR SAL 3491 3810
1188 CDX 2.0 I 16V 4DR SAL 3909 4238
1190 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL VELOUR 4706 5342
1192 " " " " " " LEATHER 4759
1194 SRI 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 3713 3967
CAVALIER HATCHBACKS v VECTRA HATCHBACK prices
1200 ENVOY 1.6I 5DR H/B 2724 2827
1202 ENVOY1.7D 5DR H/B 2699
1204 ENVOY 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2778 2970
1206 LS 1.6I 5DR H/B 2863 3004
1210 LS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 2915 3084
1212 LS 1.8I 5DR H/B 2865 3029
1214 LS 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3067
1218 GLS 1.7TD 5DR H/B 3081 3279
1220 GLS 1.8I 5DR H/B 3029 3223
1222 GLS 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3233 3548
1224 V6 2.5I 24V 5DR H/B 4175 4501
1226 CDX 1.7 TD 5DR H/B 3513 3910
1228 CDX 2.0 I 16V 5DR H/B 3932 4438
1230 CDX 2.5I V6 5DR H/B VELOUR 4683 5442
1232 " " " " " LEATHER 4782
1234 SRI 2.0I 16V 5DR H/B 3735 4167
OMEGA SALOONS
1302 SELECT 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 4060 4269
1304 SELECT 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 4457 4700
1306 GLS 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 4210 4397
1308 GLS 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL 4600 4863
1310 GLS 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 4609 4810
1312 CD 2.0I 16V 4DR SAL 4511 4888
1314 CD 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL 4754 5223
1316 CD 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 4913 5282
1318 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 4DR SAL 5306 5812
1320 CDX 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 5487 6076
1322 ELITE 2.5 TD 4DR SAL 5915 6398
1324 ELITE 3.0 V6 4DR SAL 5939 6903
OMEGA ESTATES
1332 SELECT 2.0I 16V 5DR EST 3979 4397
1334 SELECT 2.5 TD 5DR EST 4314 4776
1336 GLS 2.0I 16V 5DR EST 4116 4623
1338 GLS 2.5I V6 24V 5DR EST 4351 4758
1340 GLS 2.5 TD 5DR EST 4455 4875
1342 CD 2.0I 16V 5DR EST 4398 4839
1344 CD 2.5I V6 24V 5DR EST 4617 5159
1346 CD 2.5 TD 5DR EST 4732 5252
1348 CDX 2.5I V6 24V 5DR EST 5133 5723
1350 CDX 2.5 TD 5DR EST 5265 5824
1352 ELITE 3.0 V6 24V 5DR EST 5629 6788
1354 ELITE 2.5 TD 5DR EST 5550 6083
CALIBRA
1400 8V 2.0I 3DR COUPE 3708 3968
1402 16V 2.0I 3DR COUPE CLOTH 4033 4164
1404 " " " " LEATHER 4112 4290
1406 2.5I V6 3DR CLOTH 4745 4718
1408 " " " LEATHER 4823 4846
1410 TURBO 16V 4 X 4 2.0I 3DR COUPE CLOTH 5138 5419
1412 " " " " " " LEATHER 5219 5548
FRONTERA
1500 2.0I SPORT 3DR 3587 3587
1502 2.0I SPORT SOFT-TOP 3643
1504 2.4I ESTATE 5DR 4087
1506 2.3TD ESTATE 5DR 4235
1506A 2.0I S SPORT 3DR 3658 3466
1507A 2.2I 16V 5DR 4276 4032
1508A 2.8TD 3DR 3987 3873
1509A 2.8TD S 3DR 4128 4001
MONTEREY
1600 RS 3.2I V6 3DR 6040 6345
1602 RS 3.2I V6 AUTO 3DR 6285 6603
1604 RS 3.1 TD 3DR 5726 6117
1606 LTD 3.2I V6 5DR 6370 6704
1608 LTD 3.2I V6 AUTO 5DR 6618 6962
1610 LTD 3.1 TD 5DR 6035 6495
|
2288.340 | it was wrong, but argue with this | 42619::GRAHAM | Graham Smith, Solution Support Group | Wed Oct 04 1995 16:10 | 16 |
2288.341 | 'I Don't Believe It' | CHEFS::MARTIN_R | | Wed Oct 04 1995 19:23 | 15 |
| A bog standard Vauxhall Cavalier 2.0i LS - increases 470 (ish) pounds -
the same as an Omega Elite ?
I don't care what Digital / Vauxhall or LEASTplan say - that's just got
to be rubbish.
Why is it then that any other Leasing company propoganda is splattered
with examples of ALL their vehicles being reduced in price due to
changes in the Tax law. I wouldn't mind if someone would come out and
say that the company don't want their staff to have company cars - but
to come out with the 'ESSENTIAL CAR USER' status, and then up the
charges for the employee is absolute nonsense.
Is there any official statements for the increase in prices ?
|
2288.342 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Oct 04 1995 19:31 | 12 |
| Like it or lump it appears to be the answer.
I've mailed Pat Axford about this when the prices first came out
but have received no reply. However, in an earlier mail she replied
to me saying that the old prices would remain until July '96.
I'd suggest taking it up with your manager.
Lets face it as long as the allowance matches the benchmark cars they
can quote whatever they like for anything else.
Royston
|
2288.343 | Speculation time?! | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Wed Oct 04 1995 19:37 | 2 |
| Maybe the Vauxhall extra allowance has changed due to the volume of
business we did last year, hence the increase in prices.
|
2288.344 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Oct 05 1995 14:21 | 19 |
2288.345 | Retail prices up too | CHEFS::GERRYT | | Thu Oct 05 1995 15:41 | 3 |
| And Vauxhall prices went up on 20/8/95! So watch the tax implications.....
Tim
|
2288.346 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Thu Oct 05 1995 18:37 | 8 |
| From VTX.........
The Preferred Car List is not available at the moment, if you urgently
require any driver price information please contact Lease Plan on DTN
78308066.
Wot's going on??
|
2288.347 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Oct 05 1995 18:50 | 4 |
| Hopefully they have received so much -ve feedback about the prices they
are being recalculated and will be less than last year's prices :-)
Royston
|
2288.348 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Oct 06 1995 00:21 | 3 |
| Hmm, I'll believe that when I see it.
Chris$cynic.
|
2288.425 | Pay more get less !!!. | VIVIAN::R_BAKER | | Fri Oct 06 1995 00:28 | 10 |
2288.349 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Fri Oct 06 1995 13:06 | 22 |
| I have just recieved a mail from Pat Axford part of which reads:
>>Thank you for your most recent mail.
>>Since my earlier mail to you we have discovered a number of errors on
>>VTX. These are being corrected.
>>One of the errors is that the Vectra prices have been calculated
>>using the wrong formula. Part of the calculation for existing
>>models
>>takes account of anticipated price increases. As the Vectra has been
>>introduced part-way through the year, this level of allowance is
>>not appropriate. All the Vectra prices are therefore being
>>recalculated.
>>Due to this and other problems, the Car Scheme optionon VTX will
>>not be available until Monday.
Hope this helps, Kevin
|
2288.350 | Oh Oh!! | WELCLU::MANRO | | Fri Oct 06 1995 17:11 | 7 |
| re:-1
My interpretation of that is that the prices will be a bit higher???
Or am i reading it wrong?
Sheleen.
|
2288.351 | | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Fri Oct 06 1995 17:31 | 6 |
| I have a company car ...its a 2.0 SRI that was a take over car , two years ago.
I pay about 300 pounds per year towards it. Its now done 65,000 miles and just
passed its first M.O.T. . I'm more than happy with the . How long can I hold
off without having to order a new car and down grade?
K.R.
|
2288.352 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | | Fri Oct 06 1995 19:06 | 4 |
| Shhhhhh - delete .-1 quickly :-)
Jc
|
2288.353 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Fri Oct 06 1995 19:19 | 9 |
| >>My interpretation of that is that the prices will be a bit higher???
No, I think the opposite.
The equation included a multiplier to deal with anticipated price
rises. Since this multiplier will not be used, prices of the Vectra
should come down by 50 or 60 pence. :-)
:Kevin
|
2288.426 | See note 2288 & Its a 1.6L not a 1.8L | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Mon Oct 09 1995 13:54 | 1 |
| Standby for the new recalculated Vectra prices in vtx.
|
2288.354 | honesty is the ONLY policy | WOTVAX::64021::Tim_Banks | tim.banks@olo.mts.dec.com | Tue Oct 10 1995 12:39 | 79 |
2288.355 | Going blind | CHEFS::MILLAR | Would you like a bag for that | Wed Oct 11 1995 12:17 | 9 |
| Hi,
There used to be a note which showed recent quotations. However, I'm
having a bit of a problem finding it. Any ideas?
Cheers
|
2288.356 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Wed Oct 11 1995 12:24 | 4 |
| Doesn't the bit in the title on this note string give you a clue ?
(ie "quotes in 2290")
Royston
|
2288.357 | VAT joke? | CHEFS::GERRYT | | Wed Oct 11 1995 16:07 | 12 |
| vis 354.
I believe the Company is achieving a better net price due to the VAT
rebates etc, but they are also trying to reduce actual Company expense
(rather than employee expense), hence the price increases to you and
me. Even if prices remained flat from Vauxhall, I expect no discount
for the VAT reclaim element would be passed onto employees.
Anyone know any different?
Tim
|
2288.358 | still waiting... | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Oct 11 1995 16:15 | 8 |
| From .349
>>Due to this and other problems, the Car Scheme optionon VTX will
>>not be available until Monday.
Wednesday afternoon, and it's still not there.
Ian.
|
2288.359 | | 42619::WILLIAMSH | Huw Williams Digital Warrington | Wed Oct 11 1995 19:40 | 3 |
| It's Back.
Huw.
|
2288.360 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Wed Oct 11 1995 19:49 | 11 |
|
Just had a quick look through the new prices on VTX, the Astra
convertible is down to an affordable price now; I remember when
I was looking for a Leasemobile the starting price for the 1.6
was about 4 grand. New prices are -
10041 1.6i (E-Drive) 3,468
10042 1.8i 16v 4,225
Chris.
|
2288.361 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Thu Oct 12 1995 13:46 | 5 |
| It'll be interesting to see wether non-Vauxhall car quotes seem to be
closer to the Vauxhall ones now, with the new VAT laws and the apparent
increase in Vauxhall prices on the PCL.
Greg
|
2288.362 | | RIOT01::KING | Mad mushrooms | Thu Oct 19 1995 13:38 | 11 |
|
re:.99
The CRX quote is scandalous! It isn't even the VTi with the serious
engine in it and it's four and a half grand?!
The MX5 quote looks quite reasonable for the 1.8, it's on a par with
the Astra convertible and is a much better convertible choice for the
cash (IMO).
Chris(whostillwantsaCivicVTiorCRX)
|
2288.363 | :-( | 45644::WATSON | I'll Be Off Soon | Thu Oct 19 1995 14:59 | 4 |
| Honda no longer import the VTi CRX (Or Civic I think), sad as I was in
the market for such a car and would have bought one.
Rik
|
2288.364 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Thu Oct 19 1995 15:28 | 1 |
| Is the MX5, the two seater soft top?
|
2288.365 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Thu Oct 19 1995 15:38 | 3 |
| Yep, what does it come with ?
Chris
|
2288.412 | No allowance and car scheme confussion.... | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Fri Oct 20 1995 14:55 | 27 |
| We (a couple of graduates at the CSC Basingstoke) don't appear
to be getting a car allowance as such, but a salary uplift instead.
My question is then around the cost of leasing the car on leaseplan.
1)
Would I pay the driver price from my salary after tax and then pay
no company car tax...or
2)
Would I pay the driver price before tax on my salary and then the
company car tax.
I've spoke to two people, leaseplane and HR helpdesk. Leaseplan went
with option 1, where HR went with option 2. HR were BTW, unaware that
we were not eligable for car allowance and things have changed.
What is the correct cost of getting a car through leaseplan then ? and
how come there is such and extraordinary lack of communication ?
Who does know the real answer ? and what is it ?
Any help, ideas appreciated.
Chris (very confussed)
|
2288.366 | forget the toys! | CHEFS::BARRON_D | | Fri Oct 20 1995 16:28 | 12 |
| re .365
>>>Yep, what does it come with ?
Rear fog light, two seats, steering wheel, heater, indicators, wipers,
who needs a radio (only standard in the S) when you have 130BHP of
usable country lane power as the revs hit 7k, combined with handling
that exceeds my limited driving abilities.
What else do you need Chris?
Dave (Happy MX5 driver)
|
2288.367 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Fri Oct 20 1995 17:39 | 6 |
| >> What else do you need Chris?
A car allowance. :-)
Chris
|
2288.413 | | BAHTAT::DODD | | Fri Oct 20 1995 18:28 | 11 |
| Leaseplan administer our car scheme, they do not get involved with
salries/allowances etc. As far as I know.
Therefore I would go with whatever HR tell you.
Anyway option 2 is what applies to everyone else using the scheme - why
would you be different?
Andrew
|
2288.414 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Oct 20 1995 18:39 | 14 |
2288.415 | just trying to find out more really... | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Fri Oct 20 1995 18:42 | 6 |
| I think it will be option 2, but know one know's for sure, hence the
note really.
As clear as mud at the momently,
Chris
|
2288.416 | | BAHTAT::DODD | | Fri Oct 20 1995 18:57 | 7 |
| I did understand that, so these new hires are just like non supplement
people who opt to lease. Not many these days probably but certainly
some.
HR are more appropriate than Leaseplan as I said.
Andrew
|
2288.417 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Fri Oct 20 1995 19:15 | 7 |
| I'll update the note as soon as I fond out for definate, but my bets
are with the HR option at the moment, which means there's no real
difference then getting an allowance really...
Wierd,
Chris
|
2288.418 | err | KERNEL::ANSONR | | Fri Oct 20 1995 20:19 | 9 |
|
If an employee, who does not get a car allowance, decides to go into
the scheme...does he/she pay car tax (ie. taxable benefit) or just get
taxed on his/her salary.
oo sorry same question as Chris's really
Rich
|
2288.419 | | CHEFS::NASHD | | Mon Oct 23 1995 11:27 | 14 |
| Perhaps the people at the Inland Revenue might be able to help you.
Just an idea....
My guess would be that you would be treated the same as someone who is
given a supplement. So:
* the lease price would be deducted from your salary before
you pay any income tax;
* your tax code would be adjusted so that you paid extra tax based
on the value of the car and the business mileage you travelled.
I think that's how it works anyway.
David
|
2288.420 | | CHEFS::FIDDLER_M | The sense of being dulls my mind | Mon Oct 23 1995 11:47 | 5 |
| When I had a lease car but no supplement/allowance, I was taxed in
exactly the same way as if it was a company car. Are we still allowed
to lease a car without an allowance?
mikef
|
2288.421 | No allowance and car scheme confusion.... | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Mon Oct 23 1995 13:25 | 12 |
| Is the whole driver price deducted from you salary before tax or only
the allowance value ?
Cheers,
Chris.
PS...
>> Are we still allowed to lease a car without an allowance?
I guess we will see when the car screen on VTX is updated. I think
you must be able to.
|
2288.368 | car at 95 prices | WOTVAX::64021::Tim_Banks | tim.banks@olo.mts.dec.com | Mon Oct 23 1995 13:30 | 13 |
2288.422 | | CHEFS::FIDDLER_M | The sense of being dulls my mind | Mon Oct 23 1995 13:30 | 10 |
| re-1
When I was doing this (going back almost three years now), the driver
price of the actual car was deducted from my salary before tax. This -
I guess - is why the tax people then taxed me as if it was a normal
company car.
Hope this helps...
Mikef
|
2288.423 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Mon Oct 23 1995 14:05 | 5 |
| It is helping....Once the car scheme guide is out then I can make some
further calculations.
Ta,
Chris
|
2288.369 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Mon Oct 23 1995 15:34 | 6 |
| re .366
Hello Dave,
Can you give any more details on the spec? Alloys, Power steering etc?
Thanks. :Kevin.
|
2288.370 | | CHEFS::BARRON_D | | Tue Oct 24 1995 20:01 | 15 |
| Forgive the continuing rathole of this note.
Kevin,
More details on the spec? .366 lists the spec for the 1.8i which I have.
If you what/need the toys, extra weight and have another 3k spare then go for the
1.8iS. leccie windows,power steering (not needed),air bag,ABS, Clarion
RDS cassette (not needed with hood down), leather steering wheel, sill
and speaker kick plates, power mirrors, central locking (IMHO wasted),
alloys wheels with wider tyres (the narrow ones 185/60X14 suit me
fine).
If you need more info try getting the brochure.
|
2288.371 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Wed Oct 25 1995 19:43 | 7 |
2288.372 | Cost Conversion ??? | CHEFS::DEVERY_L | | Wed Oct 25 1995 20:02 | 12 |
2288.373 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Oct 26 1995 10:19 | 16 |
2288.374 | what about 3760 | MARVIN::ILETT | | Thu Oct 26 1995 12:43 | 13 |
2288.375 | Bad deal now compared... | CHEFS::BRISTOWA | | Thu Oct 26 1995 12:46 | 11 |
2288.376 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Oct 26 1995 12:52 | 7 |
| Re my .373
Sorry my note was cack. I get the below level 8 supplement and was
forgetting the way the old style driver price worked out with the
extra allowance of level 8 and above.
Royston
|
2288.377 | Opt out cash? | 43889::MCCABE | | Thu Oct 26 1995 13:15 | 7 |
|
Can anyone tell me what the opt-out cash alternative figures are at the
moment, or where I can find them out?
Thanks,
terry
|
2288.378 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Oct 26 1995 13:16 | 3 |
| As it happens I listed them this morning. See .373
Royston
|
2288.379 | Thanks | 43889::MCCABE | | Thu Oct 26 1995 13:24 | 6 |
|
Ohhhhhh I always thought there was a different figure if you opted to
take the cash.... Thanks,
Terry
|
2288.380 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Oct 26 1995 13:42 | 16 |
| Terry,
I could be wrong (i'll get me coat) but as far as I know the cash
alternative is the same.
What I can't figure though is if it is variable. For example if you
opt out now and take the below level 8 figure of 2950 are you stuck
with this forever or with it increase/decrease depending on the
allowance review each year ?
I ask because the allowance went down from 3400 to 2950 when we started
the Vauxhall preferred list a couple of years ago and I know someone
who still gets the 3400 cash because he opted out before it was
reduced.
Royston
|
2288.381 | | TRUCKS::BEATON_S | I Just Look Innocent | Thu Oct 26 1995 15:09 | 12 |
| If you opted out (or never opted in to) the old car scheme (prior to
the Vauxhall deal) then your supplement equivalent in your salary
should reflect the higher of the two figures mentioned in the previous
note for a level 8 (if you're a level 8 of course).
However, I understood that if you were to be promoted, or decide to opt
into the car scheme, then the terms of the new car supplement
immediately come into effect.
Reargards,
Stephen
|
2288.382 | How Much? | CHEFS::BOXALL_G | Graham Boxall@REO | Thu Oct 26 1995 16:08 | 8 |
|
RE: MR2 quote...
I aggree, my MR2 (T-Bar) was a driver price of 4700 when I ordered it in
August 93. How they can justify 6368 now I'll never know....
Graham
|
2288.424 | leasecar=pay Co.Car Tax. | 42054::JASPER | Stuck on the Flypaper of Life | Thu Oct 26 1995 16:56 | 15 |
|
2 separate issues :
Cost of leasecar. The cost of the lease is deducted from your pretax
salary whether or not you are a supplement holder. Should be the same
for everybody.
Company car tax. You will be taxed if you receive a leasecar as if it
was a company car. I only know of one exception, that is if you
contract to NEVER use the car privately & contract to ALWAYS park it on
company premises overnight, the co.car tax may be waived.
That is my considered amateur opinion :-)
Tony.
|
2288.383 | Interesting | 43889::MCCABE | | Fri Oct 27 1995 13:14 | 12 |
|
So am I right in thinking that if I take a non-vauxhall car, the cost
of the lease will be greater, but (from looking at the figures) the
list price of the car will be less, thus reducing the tax liability
(since that is based on the value of the vehicle and not the lease).
Also, does anyone out there know what the tax bands are for 20, 25 and
40% rates? I have looked around in Payroll VTX and found nothing....
Thanks,
Terry
|
2288.384 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Fri Oct 27 1995 13:28 | 5 |
| RIOT02::EURO_SAD note 137 discusses all you tax questions.
Hope that helps,
Chris
|
2288.385 | Do I get to keep them at the end of lease? | COMICS::MCSKEANE | tinga tinga | Thu Nov 02 1995 19:42 | 13 |
2288.386 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 03 1995 11:40 | 8 |
| POL
It has always been this way. The lease co. work it out so you pay
entirely for any options you specify. The reasoning for this is
that options don't usually count when the car is sold off at end of
lease.
Royston
|
2288.387 | buy the roof? | CHEFS::BARRON_D | | Fri Nov 03 1995 12:54 | 10 |
2288.406 | Quote for Peugeot 306 Xsi or S16? | 42619::BARKERA | | Fri Nov 03 1995 15:44 | 17 |
|
Hi,
Does anyone out there have a Quote for the Peugeot 306 XSi or S16?
They are in my opinion very nice looking car, and I think probably a
better alternative to an Astra Sport.
Does anyone have one?
What are they like to drive?
Has anyone compared the Peugeot with the Astra?
I'll look forward to some replies.
Cheers,
AL.
|
2288.388 | surely the roof must be worth something to the lease co? | COMICS::MCSKEANE | tinga tinga | Fri Nov 03 1995 16:06 | 13 |
2288.407 | | 42451::WARNE | | Fri Nov 03 1995 19:06 | 14 |
| In reply to note 2467:
I had a test drive (on behalf of 'er indoors) in a 306 XSi a few months ago, and
I was very impressed. It seemed very well screwed together, the driving position
was excellent, and it was good fun to drive. I agree with you that it looks good
too (although my other half didn't think so - she opted for the Rover 220GSi
instead!)
I would rate it (based on my limited experience) as the best car in it's class.
It's also a pretty new design, whereas the Astra is getting rather dated now.
If you could stretch to the S16, I would think it would be a superb car.
I don't know whether it's just coincidence, but over the years I've found
Peugeot salesman the most helpful and least patronising of the lot, too!
CW
|
2288.408 | TOO TOO MUCH..... | BRUMMY::WARNERD | | Fri Nov 03 1995 19:20 | 9 |
| RE.1
HI AL
I HAD A QUOTE FOR A 306 SI6 NOT SO LONG AGO
BAD NEWS..#4800 APPROX IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT........
DEAN.
|
2288.409 | No need to shout ! | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 03 1995 19:42 | 1 |
|
|
2288.410 | what a pity! | 42619::BARKERA | | Mon Nov 06 1995 15:36 | 13 |
| re: 2467.2
Hi Dean,
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, 4800 is a bit too much to shell out. I'll probably have to go for
the Xsi instead. But Peugeot isn't Vauxhall is it, so it will probably be
expensive too.
Shame. [sob, sob]
AL.
|
2288.411 | Sounds good! | 42619::BARKERA | | Mon Nov 06 1995 15:42 | 13 |
| re: 2467.1
Hi CW,
Sounds like you really liked it. I might have to take one for
a test drive myself.
However, that might be just too painful. A bit like a one night
stand with Cindy Crawford. Probably brilliant but one would know
that it wouldn't last forever, and when the time arrived when one could
have her, she'd probably be an old wreck! (ha, ha)
AL.
|
2288.389 | | WOTVAX::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Mon Nov 06 1995 23:17 | 6 |
| Ah, brings back the old days of MG's with HRW's. Remember those quarter
inch thick metallic foil stick on thingys....
Nice to see theres no break with tradition - HRW is an option - nice.
Stuart
|
2288.390 | | 45607::KERRELL | salva res est | Tue Nov 07 1995 15:57 | 5 |
| > Being a tight arsed Scots git
If money bothers you that much then why pay for a different paint finish?
Dave.
|
2288.391 | They still aren't going to rip me off for the roof | COMICS::MCSKEANE | tinga tinga | Tue Nov 07 1995 17:18 | 10 |
2288.392 | MGF is not an option at the mo :-( | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Tue Nov 07 1995 17:26 | 6 |
| You will off course need someone to swap cars with if you need to
transport goods and people.
I will of course be happy to strike up a deal.
Chris :-}
|
2288.393 | | 45607::KERRELL | salva res est | Wed Nov 08 1995 10:38 | 5 |
| >because I'd enjoy owning the car
But you won't.
Dave ;-)
|
2288.394 | LPDIRECT | CHEFS::STEWARDSON_C | | Thu Nov 09 1995 01:36 | 11 |
| Does anyone know how to access this new LPDIRECT scheme which will
enable electronic ordering and progress tracking as well as being able
to scan thro' all recent quotes for non GM cars?
The mail from leaseplan said that details could be obtained by mailing
LPDIRECT but this just seems to bounce back.
Anyone any ideas?
Charles
|
2288.395 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Thu Nov 09 1995 11:59 | 7 |
2288.396 | | 45607::KERRELL | salva res est | Thu Nov 09 1995 15:14 | 6 |
| re.395:
An email has been sent to managers. Haven't seen the all employee version arrive
yet. When that arrives then it can be posted.
Dave.
|
2288.397 | | COMICS::MCSKEANE | tinga tinga | Fri Nov 10 1995 13:58 | 8 |
|
extract from a letter received from car fleet...
The approximate delivery times that are being given for the MGF VVC's is
july/august 96. The reason for the long delay is something to do with
all the MGF's being built to order, and various bits being hand assembled.
POL.
|
2288.398 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 10 1995 21:37 | 3 |
| Well thats rather 'rained' on your fireworks Paul !
Royston
|
2288.399 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Mon Nov 13 1995 12:24 | 8 |
2288.400 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Mon Nov 13 1995 12:47 | 6 |
| There are a couple of 1.8's around now, however most people will have
to wait till February for the 1.8 and June/July for the VVC.
That's according to the Stephen Palmers Rover garage.
Chris
|
2288.402 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Nov 13 1995 13:47 | 8 |
| .401 has been set hidden as it reproduces in full a mail addressed to
managers.
Dave made the point in .396 that this should not be posted.
I'll give an update on this shortly.
Royston (co-mod)
|
2288.403 | | 45607::KERRELL | salva res est | Mon Nov 13 1995 17:04 | 8 |
| re.402:
To clarify:
It can be posted with the author's permission. An all employee communication has
implicit permission.
Dave.
|
2288.404 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Nov 13 1995 18:17 | 3 |
| A quick update. I have deleted .401 and informed the author.
Royston
|
2288.405 | Valid Quotes | FAILTE::THOMSONS | Stuart Thomson | Thu Nov 16 1995 16:41 | 5 |
|
I have heard a rumour that all current valid quotes from Leaseplan will be
on the system for all to see , anyone any idea when ?????
Stuart
|
2288.411 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Nov 17 1995 12:03 | 1 |
2288.426 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 17 1995 17:29 | 8 |
2288.427 | Time Warp | BAHTAT::SCOTTJ | | Fri Nov 17 1995 19:31 | 11 |
| Maybe it's my imagination - but I thought it was November last week.
We appear to have stepped back into October - but at least the year's
right.
Actually - this be an excellent way of declaring better corporate
results - if at first we don't succeed, try again!
Cheers
John
|
2288.428 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 17 1995 19:33 | 4 |
| John, the recent replies were moved here from another topic by a fellow
moderator.
Royston
|
2288.429 | :-( | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Thu Nov 23 1995 19:40 | 5 |
| For information on Calibra SE5 see note 1120.273.
I had hoped it would be a tad cheaper.
Chris
|
2288.430 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Nov 24 1995 12:46 | 7 |
2288.431 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | UK OpenVMS counter intelligence | Fri Nov 24 1995 12:50 | 3 |
| I'm gutted...and looking at the Vectra.
Chris
|
2288.432 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 24 1995 13:41 | 8 |
2288.433 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 24 1995 20:13 | 14 |
| I cantacted LeasePlan today to ask if they wanted to extend my lease
to 36 months from 30 months as I will not be reaching 60000 miles by
April (current end of lease). They decided to keep the end of lease as
it is as they would rather have the car back under mileage than over.
My car is leased through hertz and there is apparently a time window of
_3_ months before and after the end of lease date when the car can go
back. This is interesting as previously I was told it was 2 months.
So I can get a new car anytime from January onwards.
Time to start seriously thinking about what to do.
Royston
|
2288.434 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Fri Nov 24 1995 20:42 | 5 |
| My last car went back almost four (!) months early; PHH seemed to be quite
happy to take it back even though it only had 45,000 miles on the clock.
Didn't understand why, but I didn't complain either!
Chris.
|
2288.435 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Nov 24 1995 21:42 | 3 |
| Whats the story there Chris ? Why did you return it so early.
Royston
|
2288.436 | Keeping it longer - is it possible ? | WOTVAX::16.194.208.3::sharkeya | James Bond uses Loginn | Sat Nov 25 1995 16:15 | 6 |
| Humm - My car is on 3 year lease. I will do my 60,000 well before 2
years are up. But, given the cost increases, I'd rather like to keep
my car longer. What do you reckon the chances are ?
Alan
|
2288.437 | | 42713::MARTIN | Out to Lunch | Sat Nov 25 1995 17:53 | 14 |
|
0
Martin$nice_escort_going_back_6_months_early_crappy_astra_arriving_soon
|
2288.438 | | KERNEL::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Mon Nov 27 1995 14:19 | 13 |
| RE: Extended lease.
Ask Vauxhall for a test drive of an obscure car and don't bother to
chase them when nothing happens. I requested a test drive of a
Cavalier 2.0 GLS Hatchback Automatic which took about 2 months to find,
and then a Cavalier 2.0 GLS Saloon Automatic, which took about 4
months to find one. If Car Fleet had chased me for my car back, I
would have said that I was waiting for a test drive from Vauxhall.
My car went back about 7 months late, which was long enough for me to
find the car I wanted at the right price, and leave the scheme.
tmp
|
2288.439 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Lager Lout | Mon Nov 27 1995 14:49 | 8 |
| > Whats the story there Chris ? Why did you return it so early.
nothing very interesting, I just wanted to get my hands on the SE4 before
they weren't available any more. Car fleet said it was okay to put the
order in early, and nobody seemed particularly bothered about my Rover
going back well before the end of its lease.
Chris.
|
2288.440 | | CHEFS::FIDDLER_M | The sense of being dulls my mind | Mon Nov 27 1995 17:02 | 10 |
| I don't think there is a notes string discussing the prices of buying
cars at the end of lease? (I did a dir/...).
Just wondering if anyone has seen any quotes for buying a TD Cavalier
atthe end of lease? I'm curious as to how competetive the prices would
be...
ta
Mikef
|
2288.441 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Mon Nov 27 1995 17:09 | 12 |
| Mike, the note used for this is #833. Check out the last reply which
was mine. I wish now I had bought my old RS Fiesta.
Time marches on and coincidently enough my Cav TD comes to end of lease
at Easter and I too am interested in knowing the price.
Mine will have done nearly 60000 miles at the end of the 30 month
lease. I expect the price to be between #5k and 6k.
What milage is yours ?
Royston
|
2288.442 | | CHEFS::FIDDLER_M | The sense of being dulls my mind | Mon Nov 27 1995 18:06 | 9 |
| re-1
I'm 16 months from the end of lease (just cracked 32000 miles), I'm
just trying to plan my finances ahead. 5 - 6K doesn't sound too bad
to me, but I'm not an expert.
ta
Mikef
|
2288.443 | Genuine Auction Price. | 42619::WILLIAMSH | Huw Williams Digital Warrington | Tue Nov 28 1995 16:42 | 7 |
2288.444 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Tue Nov 28 1995 16:49 | 5 |
| That certainly seems a fair price. It seems strange that a year old
low mileage car like that would end up at auction. I always thought
that auctions were full of high mileage ex-rep mobiles.
Royston
|
2288.445 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Tue Nov 28 1995 18:43 | 2 |
| Some companies and especially rental companies sell their cars yearly,
Royston.
|
2288.446 | | WOTVAX::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Tue Nov 28 1995 19:15 | 8 |
| A private buyer can enter a car as well in an auction...
It may be that 7400 is a good price for a private sale, it may also be
a repo car.
I know someone who got a Lotus Esprit at an auction... that was a repo.
Stuart
|
2288.447 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Tue Nov 28 1995 19:16 | 4 |
| Ah, good point Greg. I was forgeting about rental companies, some of
which replace their cars at 6 months.
Royston
|
2288.448 | | WOTVAX::HATTOS | It's simple - but it's not easy | Wed Nov 29 1995 11:04 | 8 |
| Brian,
Do those prices include the options? Or do we have to add those on as
well?
Cheers,
Stuart
(I'm sure I know the answer, but I could be wrong!)
|
2288.449 | On my way out | 45426::GURRAN | | Wed Dec 06 1995 17:26 | 12 |
2288.450 | With thx to David Flanders for supplying the info | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Thu Dec 07 1995 18:23 | 5 |
| Re LPdirect quotes in 2290
Just like the old days with vtx !
Royston
|
2288.451 | fair old increase | MARVIN::ILETT | | Fri Dec 08 1995 17:46 | 9 |
| Ouch,
I'm only paying 2417 for my current Clio ('til June '96)
From LEASEPLAN's RENAULT prices :-
< > CLIO 3DR 95 1.8 16V 333.10 3,997.20 12
Phil.
|
2288.452 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Thats all I have to say about that | Fri Dec 08 1995 18:01 | 7 |
2288.453 | do quotes include insuracne surcharge ? | MARVIN::ILETT | | Fri Dec 08 1995 18:15 | 5 |
| Sorry if I missed this in the notes stream, but are the quotes in 2290.<last_few>
inclusive of the extra insurance hit that Digital loads higher performance cars with ?
Phil.
|
2288.454 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Tue Dec 12 1995 20:24 | 9 |
| MONDEO 4DR 96.3 2.0I 16V SI 331.54 3,978.48
18008 2.0 16v SRi 4,074 16735.00
So, the Mondeo is cheaper than the Vectra equivelent. The Vectra has
A/C as standard but this does not make sense. And the Mondeo is the
superior car according to the tests.
|
2288.455 | Mmmm.... | KERNEL::MORGANI | The Troof is oot there | Wed Dec 13 1995 12:07 | 7 |
|
I noticed that in the leaseplan lists which someone posted - the Mondeo Ghia
which is near as whatsit the same as the Vectra CDX (including A/C) is about
300 quid cheaper.
Someone is taking the Michael here....IMHO
|
2288.456 | | CHEFS::WILLIAMS_K | | Wed Dec 13 1995 14:32 | 2 |
| I think the prices are including insurance beacuse th MGF prices are
the same as Leaseplean sent to me as an indinidual quote. :Kevin
|
2288.457 | | CHEFS::NASHD | | Wed Dec 13 1995 16:31 | 16 |
2288.458 | Are you a disgruntled Lease Car Driver | ROCKS::MACGREGOR | | Thu Feb 08 1996 02:35 | 27 |
| My current lease car is a Primera saloon, the lease is up very soon
and I need to order a replacement. However I need a little more space and
would like an estate. I'm quite happy to take a Vauxhall and avail
myself of the "Good Deal" thats been negotiated however, the Omega is a
little too large for what I need and the Astra too small.
I asked Leaseplan if I could keep my Primera until the Vectra Estate
was available. They replied that the Vectra Estate would not be
available until probably the new year and as such I could not keep the
Primera that long. I asked if they had any suitable lease vehicles that
I could take over in the interim period. Not at the moment they
responded.
SO, are there any disgruntled leasecar drivers with a similar car to
my Pimera Saloon that want to come out of the scheme early ??
If there are any then please get in touch and lets see if we can come
to some arrangement whereby I take over the remaining lease.
Barry,
7-830-3468
take over
|
2288.459 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Thu Feb 08 1996 12:10 | 7 |
| Barry
I'd check first to see if you are allowed to do a swap.
My understanding is that mid term lease swaps are no longer permitted.
Royston
|
2288.460 | it can be done | WOTVAX::16.194.208.3::sharkeya | James Bond uses Loginn | Sun Feb 11 1996 13:11 | 4 |
| They are - it takes a managers permission (I did it)
Alan
|
2288.461 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Mon Feb 12 1996 12:11 | 7 |
| Its changed since a few months ago then as a guy here was all set to
swap his car with someone with managers approval but car fleet put a
total block on it.
Good luck anyway.
Royston
|
2288.462 | Astra 2.0 16v quotes | WOTVAX::NEARYM | wigan_lad | Mon Feb 19 1996 13:43 | 11 |
| Hi
I'm looking for the price on the latest Astra sports 2.0 16v
has anyone got a quote on one yet, I've looked at entry 2290
but its not made in there yet, I'm looking for alternatives
as well so if you have had any interesting quotes latey I
would be very pleased to hear them.
many thanks.
Mike.
|
2288.463 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Mon Feb 19 1996 18:03 | 9 |
| The place to look is VTX.
Check out the car fleet option and look at the preferred car list.
It says the price will appear soon.
You may want to ring leaseplan to see if there is any update.
Royston
|
2288.464 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Feb 28 1996 17:58 | 10 |
2288.465 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Feb 28 1996 18:04 | 23 |
2288.466 | | CHEFS::BRIGGS_R | they use computers don't they | Wed Feb 28 1996 18:38 | 4 |
| Frontera's a bad deal. Just got a 2.8 Diamond for less than they're
asking there.
Richard
|
2288.467 | Astra quotes | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Thu Feb 29 1996 16:49 | 37 |
2288.468 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Thu Feb 29 1996 17:16 | 8 |
| Is the insurance cheaper on an estate ?
I noticed this a while back and thought that the Sport hatchbacks
would be more popular amongst the boy racer element (yes you know who
you are :-) ) and therefore had more of an insurance loading than the
estates.
Royston
|
2288.469 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Thu Feb 29 1996 17:33 | 4 |
| Insurance may be the answer. I guess that estates are less
prone than hatches to theft by joy riders.
Ian.
|
2288.470 | | WOTVAX::DODD | | Mon Mar 04 1996 13:21 | 6 |
| Omega estates were (are?) cheaper than saloons. The reason suggested
was higher residual value for big estate cars.
FWIW
Andrew
|
2288.471 | Takeover cars..Learning Services | PGREEN::SACKMANJ | I was dreaming of the past... | Wed Mar 06 1996 01:31 | 14 |
| re: .465
The reason these cars have appeared for takeover is because of the
demise of Learning Services.
When we were transferred to Global Knowledge Network on 24 Feb we all
had to give our Leaseplan (and other) cars back to Digital. Remember
that the new company (If you knew anything about all this!) is an
independent company from Digital so the cars stay with digital.
We are all now looking for new company cars (ironically through
Leaseplan).
Jon.
|
2288.472 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Wed Mar 06 1996 12:20 | 4 |
| I guess its too much like rocket science for leaseplan to transfer
the leases to the new company.
Royston
|
2288.473 | | CHEFS::BRIGGS_R | they use computers don't they | Wed Mar 06 1996 15:25 | 4 |
|
Dare I ask what the new car scheme is? Astra's all round?
Richard
|
2288.474 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Mar 06 1996 16:26 | 16 |
2288.475 | Re 2290.130 | CHEFS::POWELLM | On 101457.2636@compuserve.com | Wed Mar 06 1996 18:19 | 6 |
|
Great scot!!! Does this mean that the basic LS 1.6i 5 door h/b is
more expensive than the <level 8 car allowance? That used to be
#2950.00 when I left, or has it gone up now?
Malcolm.
|
2288.476 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Owl-Stretching Time! | Wed Mar 06 1996 22:05 | 9 |
| > Great scot!!! Does this mean that the basic LS 1.6i 5 door h/b is
> more expensive than the <level 8 car allowance? That used to be
> #2950.00 when I left, or has it gone up now?
dunno, but I'm still bemused that I managed to get an 18 grand Calibra on the
car scheme for less money than a Peugeot 306 (which I'd originally asked for),
quite a large difference, too...
Chris.
|
2288.477 | New car scheme for global Knoewledge Network | PGREEN::SACKMANJ | I was dreaming of the past... | Thu Mar 07 1996 00:28 | 36 |
| In response to earlier notes about the scheme for Global Knowledge
Network:
Std supplement choices (all no cost, no upgrading to higher level),
just a taster:
Punto, various, to Sporting
Fiesta, to Ghia & Si
Civic
Almera
Pug 106
Clio
Rover 100/200
Ibiza
Corolloa 1.3
Coarser, to Sport
Astra
Polo
level 8-9
zx, xantia, tempra, brava,escort,mondeo,more civics,pug 306,laguna,
rover 400,frontera sport, vectra,more astras,golf,vento
next level:
bmw 316/318,citroen synergie,ford galaxy (i remember them racing at
Crystal Palace!),more mondeos, mit galant and spacewagon,pug 406,rover
600,more vectras,golf gti 16v,passat, volvo 440/460,chysler wrangler
top level:
audi a4, top xantias, maverick,top mondeos,discovery,shogun,terrano,pug
806,espace,saab 900 / 9000, calibra,golf vr6,volvo 940
The rules are: take a car from your list (plus options to a defined
limit) or take the money.
Cars are lower spec generally in comparison to the digital scheme, but
a slightly wider choice!
Jon.
|
2288.478 | | CHEFS::BRIGGS_R | they use computers don't they | Thu Mar 07 1996 12:23 | 6 |
|
Not bad then? Certainly there were cars in the Level 11 band that were
beyond my supplement when quoted for recently. Mind you, guess you
don't have an option to downgrade and take the money. Or do you?
Richard
|
2288.479 | no downgrade | PGREEN::SACKMANJ | I was dreaming of the past... | Thu Mar 07 1996 13:52 | 3 |
| No we can't downgrade (as I was doing and taking some cash)
Jon
|
2288.480 | | KERNEL::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Thu Mar 07 1996 14:41 | 12 |
| I just got my notification of what will go on my P11D from Lease Plan.
Both the dates and the list price were wrong. When I rang up they said
the list price was as supplied by Hertz, I said it wasn't, they checked
their database, which had the correct list price.
The guy (Richard Jenkins) also said that a lot were wrong and they are
sending out a new batch next week.
Just when I thought I'd escaped the stress of having a company car too
:-(
tmp
|
2288.481 | | WOTVAX::STONEG | Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland.... | Thu Mar 07 1996 14:54 | 6 |
|
You obviously didn't get the e-mail saying that the P11D info.
which has been sent out was wrong, appently new ones will be issued
soon !
G
|
2288.482 | | KERNEL::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Thu Mar 07 1996 16:35 | 8 |
| >You obviously didn't get the e-mail saying that the P11D info.
>which has been sent out was wrong, appently new ones will be issued
>soon !
No I didn't, but I have now (thanks Ian). I'm not on the distribution
list. Maybe it was only sent to people that have company cars.
tmp
|
2288.483 | I mailed them with the right info! | KERNEL::LEYLANDS | Indecision: key to flexibility | Fri Mar 08 1996 19:28 | 8 |
|
I too got the P11D info which was dramatically wrong! All dates
conflicted and none were right... I never received the mail explaining
that it was wrong either - I think you are right Trevor, I think it
must have only gone to those still in the scheme.
Sharon
|
2288.491 | Alfa Romeo GTV Prices? | CHEFS::CAULFIELD_M | | Fri Mar 22 1996 04:26 | 5 |
| Has anyone seen any sign of Alfa Romeo GTV Leasing Costs?
Quite a while until I change cars - but I have a 'need to know'!
MRC
|
2288.484 | Locations of Spreadsheets? | VAXCAT::RKE | Pellucid Pussycat | Fri Mar 22 1996 11:51 | 9 |
|
Hello folks,
Are there any current spreadsheets kicking around to work
out the real cost of a lease car?
I've tried to access the ones refered to in .11 and .12, seems they're
not there anymore.....
R.
|
2288.485 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | OpenVMS Counter Intelligence | Fri Mar 22 1996 12:06 | 6 |
| If you can view the Vauxhall homepage, they have a company car tax
calculator.
HTH,
Chris
|
2288.486 | Stranded at home. | VAXCAT::RKE | Pellucid Pussycat | Fri Mar 22 1996 12:23 | 6 |
| > If you can view the Vauxhall homepage, they have a company car tax
> calculator.
THanks Chris, you couldn't tell me where this is and how I might
get at it via ACB, pretty please?
R.
|
2288.487 | | COMICS::SUMNERC | OpenVMS Counter Intelligence | Fri Mar 22 1996 12:53 | 12 |
| The Vauxhall page is on
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/ (The top right hand corner of the page
gives a TAX Calculator).
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vectra-cgi/taxguide.
I doubt you can get to this using ACB...
Chris
|
2288.488 | | TERRI::SIMON | Semper in Excernere | Fri Mar 22 1996 15:44 | 1 |
| cost to employee = basic car cost + lots * lots
|
2288.489 | You can get to Web pages | OGRI::63536::BELL | Martin Bell @BBP (M&U PSC) | Fri Mar 22 1996 17:00 | 6 |
| If ACB connects to ALL-IN-1, goto the IM menu and take the WWW option,
then from within Lynx, access the vauxhall URL.
No piccies (or TrafficMaster maps), but text should be there!
mb
|
2288.490 | SUB TURB 4x4/saab/cost on pocket | BELFST::MILLSWEST | | Tue Mar 26 1996 14:27 | 15 |
| Hi all
Just an enquiry into prices on subaru imprezza,
The turbo 4x4 and 2.0l
also what does the saab 900 come in at at the moment.
Does anyone have the math formulae for working out "damage to pocket
per month" for scheme cars.
thanks in advance,
derek.
|
2288.492 | Cheap Mercedes ?? | WOTVAX::STONEG | Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland.... | Wed Mar 27 1996 18:25 | 6 |
|
Ian, your SSSAYONG MUSSO (sp??) things are those "made in Korea,
powered by Mercedes" 4x4s I think... and if I'm right, they're
the only 4x4s which look more ugly than a Merc GeoWaggon.
Graham
|
2288.493 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Mar 27 1996 18:37 | 3 |
| Thanks - I'd never heard of them, I'll keep my eyes open.
Ian
|
2288.494 | | WOTVAX::DODD | | Thu Mar 28 1996 11:48 | 4 |
| Omegas are available as a diesel automatic, on paper they look good if
you want a diesel.
Andrew
|
2288.495 | Silly Name - Ugly Car | CHEFS::BETTS_C | | Thu Mar 28 1996 12:50 | 11 |
| RE: SSANGYONG MUSSO
You're right , it's a Korean made, British Styled, German powerplant
(Mercedes Diesel, normally aspirated) and judging by the lease prices,
it depreciates like other Far Eastern made cars, List prices start
around 16K.
IMO: Frontera or Discovery is a far better bet on the scheme.
Chris.
|
2288.496 | moved by mod | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Thu Mar 28 1996 22:32 | 13 |
| <<< COSME3::DISK$OA_APP1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]CARS_UK.NOTE;1 >>>
-< Cars in the UK >-
================================================================================
Note 2290.136 Quotes Only (pls discuss in 2288) 136 of 136
CHEFS::HANCOCK_M "Use what you (used to) sell" 5 lines 28-MAR-1996 12:09
-< 2288.L >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
re .last...
You can get an Omega 2.5TD Auto,a friend of mine has one...
Mick
|
2288.497 | get the old man's version | WOTVAX::HARDYP | | Fri Mar 29 1996 13:33 | 11 |
| re -2,
Having had an Omega deisel manual for a trial weekend I would highly
recommend the automatic. See 'Omega' topic for comments.
Judging from the BMW 525td automatic which has a similar (different
tuning) engine my thoughts on the need to have this engine with an auto
box are supported.
Peter
|
2288.498 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Mon Apr 01 1996 12:00 | 5 |
| Obviously things have changed a bit in the last three years.
The last time I looked the only diesel automatic on the market
was the London taxi.
Ian.
|
2288.499 | Find the dosh | MILE::JENKINS | | Tue Apr 02 1996 12:28 | 14 |
|
re .last
Although 6300 is a lot of money it's a thousand less than I was quoted
a few months ago. Also, I think it's a bit unfair to compare the E200
with a 190. The C180 Classic which is the replacement for the 190 is
less than 5000 on the scheme. Still expensive... but so are Mercs.
The price increases are a direct result of Digital changing the
lease terms from 30 mths/30000 to 36mths/60000.
My advice for what it's worth is "find the money". I moved from an E220
to a Vectra. Not nice.
Richard.
|
2288.500 | IBM AS400 Phobia.. | WOTVAX::ROWDENP | | Wed Apr 03 1996 04:35 | 9 |
| Hi,
Please can someone who has access, get the latest quotes for Honda's
from the LPDIRECT system, with accessories if possible. Thanks in
anticipation...
Regards
Paul
|
2288.501 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Apr 03 1996 17:39 | 8 |
2288.502 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Wed Apr 03 1996 19:52 | 13 |
| re 2290.140
> < > Ice Scraper with rubber bung 2.00 .05 .60
I've noticed that an ice scraper (with 'rubber bung' no less) is
offered for a yearly lease cost of 60 pence on all cars in LP direct.
I would have thought it would cost more than 60p in admin costs to
process this. Why don't they really push the boat out and say "hey!
have an ice scaper with a rubber bung thingy on the house, with our
compliments, gratis..."
Royston
|
2288.503 | 4x4 Prices. | CHEFS::BETTS_C | | Mon Apr 22 1996 20:49 | 15 |
| Hi,
Not being a lover of Frontera's, I'm trying to get a flavour of prices
on the scheme for other 4x4's. Can someone with access to the LPDIRECT
system get a breakdown on the following makes:-
Mitsubishi Shogun
Jeep Cherokee
Daihatsu Fourtrak
Isuzu Trooper (this could be interesting in comparison to a Monterey)
No hurry.
Thanks in advance
Chris.
|
2288.504 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Mon Apr 29 1996 18:01 | 15 |
2288.505 | Thanks | CHEFS::BETTS_C | | Wed May 01 1996 16:21 | 9 |
| Thanks Ian,
The Isuzu, looks like a good bet for anybody considering a Monterey
after all they are essentially the same car.
Jeep I guess could be under Chrysler.
Rgds
Chris
|
2288.506 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed May 01 1996 17:11 | 6 |
2288.508 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Thu May 02 1996 14:12 | 13 |
| Hmmm, an interesting point. I didn't realise that you could get a
factory fitted tow bar.
What does surprise is how expensive the Vauxhall tow bars are.
Especially as they are the 'preferred cars'.
Even with single elecrics on a Corsa costs 87.00 a year, whereas the same
thing on my new Punto costs 43.00 a year. Just under half the cost !
If I was getting a tow bar for a Vauxhall I'd get a Witter fitted
after I took delivery of the car. Visual repeater or not !
Royston
|
2288.509 | | CHEFS::HARWOODJ | | Thu May 02 1996 15:16 | 10 |
| In view of the Mods entry about notes and their contents, I have
taken the decision to delete reply .507.
Fleet have been helpful so far, and I would hate someone to
misunderstand my note and the reasons for entering it.
Once the guidelines are known, then I will, with the mods approval
replace the note.
Judy
|
2288.510 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Thu May 02 1996 15:30 | 9 |
| Judy
Thanks for your consideration. Personally I couldn't see anything wrong
with your reply but respect your decision to remove it in case
it is misunderstood.
Please keep up us updated on the tow bar situation.
Royston
|
2288.511 | Fait Bravo/Brava quote request | TRUCKS::BURY | | Thu May 09 1996 20:35 | 8 |
| Hi,
Please can someone who has access, get the latest quotes for Fiat Bravo
and Brava from the LPDIRECT system, with accessories (esp air con) if
possible. Thanks in anticipation...
Regards
John
|
2288.512 | | TGRAPH::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Fri May 10 1996 17:19 | 2 |
| An updated full list of FIAT's is now in 2290.148.
Air con is not listed as an option.
|
2288.513 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Mr. Creosote | Fri May 10 1996 22:07 | 4 |
| it's a nuisance that a person has to be eligable for car renewal to browse
LeasePlan's system...
Chris.
|
2288.514 | Air Con on a Bravo !! | WOTVAX::BARRETTR | | Sun May 12 1996 17:43 | 8 |
2288.515 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | What's an Architect? | Mon May 13 1996 00:53 | 5 |
| It is probably in here somewhere - but I can't find it.
Just how *DO* you get into LPDIRECT when you are eligable?
Jc
|
2288.516 | | CBHVAX::CBH | Mr. Creosote | Mon May 13 1996 01:55 | 27 |
| > It is probably in here somewhere - but I can't find it.
>
> Just how *DO* you get into LPDIRECT when you are eligable?
you'll need access to some sort of 3270 emulation, typically tn3270 from DCL
on VMS, or x3270 for X11 on Unix. Assuming tn3270, you connect to it with the
command `tn3270 lplan.reo 2301' (actually, the same syntax applies for x3270).
If you don't know about 3270 terminals (one of IBM's series of `intelligent'
terminals for connecting to their mainframes, historically at least), they're
`form' based terminals, in that you have to fill in the input fields, then
submit the form to the controller. You move around fields using the TAB key
(or the cursor keys, if you know where the fields are), and submit the
completed form with an enter key, typically DO or the ENTER key on the keypad.
The function keys, and various other control keys, map onto an LK keyboard
rather strangely, and rather than summarise them here, you may want to check
up on the documentation! (Apologies if you already know all this, but for
anyone not used to IBM kit, it's not at all obvious - you'll really need to
know about the `reset' key, as the terminal will lock up with the slightest
excuse, like trying to type in a protected area. I think that pressing the
HELP key brings up a keymap, if I remember correctly)
Next, you logon (as opposed to login! :) with the username DIGITAL and the
password LPDIRECT. From there, just follow the instructions... once you get
the hang of it, it should be fairly straightforward.
Chris.
|
2288.517 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | What's an Architect? | Tue May 14 1996 01:57 | 4 |
| Thanks - makes you realise that VTX isn't so bad after all!
Jc
|
2288.518 | wanna be a touring car racer ?? | WOTVAX::HATTONM | Waiting for JS to offer me a drive... | Tue May 14 1996 18:35 | 15 |
|
HHmmmm in another note recently I mentioned a Volvo I had seen that
looked like a 850 touring car.
well, for all you budding highway company car touring types then now
appears to be a Vauhall Vectra limited edition SRi decked out in
touring type car colours !! Also avaliable soon will be a ford mondeo
and ANother (carn't remember) as well as the Volvo and BMW varients
currently avaliable. Got this info from Top Gear mag issued this week.
Cost of SRi is approx 20K with uprated springs and things and a V6
version may also be produced. Get your quotes in now ?!?!!?
- MARK -
|
2288.519 | Wanna be a real touring car racer ?? | WOTVAX::BARRETTR | | Wed May 15 1996 23:06 | 20 |
2288.520 | | WOTVAX::stus.olo.dec.com::HATTOS | Che moto, che cul ! | Fri May 17 1996 12:21 | 3 |
| Could some kind person please post Audi A4 and A6 quotes?
Thanks Stu
|
2288.521 | | WOTVAX::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Fri May 17 1996 15:55 | 3 |
| >> Could some kind person please post Audi A4 and A6 quotes?
See 2290.113
|
2288.522 | Car Scheme FY97 | WOTVAX::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Fri Jun 28 1996 13:53 | 137 |
2288.523 | | HIPS::WATSON | I'll always be here | Fri Jun 28 1996 15:45 | 18 |
| As an aside, I have just received my insuarance renewal for my car (BMW
328 Sports - group 18 I think) for 640'ish pounds. This is with
protected no claims(1), full legal cover, windscreen etc. The car is 8
months old.
I know that company insurance is more expensive but 1750 .v. 640 looks
a bit steep to me.
Also, anyone considering a new car has a whole day (today) to get their
car approved as the new prices take effect from Monday. I'm sure plenty
of people will be stopping doing their important Q4 work and will be
down the local car showroom this lunchtime - I know I would be.
Rik
1) With one claim last year for a new set of wheels - stolen from
DECpark.
|
2288.524 | | CHEFS::BRIGGS_R | they use computers don't they | Mon Jul 01 1996 12:54 | 5 |
|
What about No Claims Bonus? I assume the company figures are averaged
out over various ages, sex, ncb etc.
Richard
|
2288.525 | | MILE::JENKINS | | Mon Jul 01 1996 16:29 | 7 |
|
I think the insurance increases are grossly unfair and unrepresentative
of the current market.
Why should an 18 year old and a 50 year old pay the same premium?
Richard.
|
2288.526 | | WOTVAX::STONEG | Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland.... | Mon Jul 01 1996 16:37 | 7 |
|
..because the car isn't insured for an individual, but for any employee
or anyone who any employee gives permission to. Basically the same sort
of risk as having your car insured for any driver with the additional
risk that it's being used for Business.
G.
|
2288.527 | Excessive insurance | MILE::JENKINS | | Mon Jul 01 1996 19:40 | 12 |
|
re .526
No. In the real world the cost of an any driver policy is based on
the risk for me to drive the car + approx 15%. My age and driving
record matters.
The fact that Digital decides that the car that I am paying for can be
driven by any driver of any age should not result in a surcharge to me.
Richard.
|
2288.528 | | WOTVAX::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Tue Jul 16 1996 13:44 | 3 |
| Are the latest non-Vauxhall prices someone posted from Leaseplan valid
for the whole year, or do they change?
|
2288.529 | they change | MUGGER::GRAHAM | Graham Smith, Solution Support Group | Tue Jul 16 1996 16:09 | 3 |
| They changed last year (upwards).
Graham
|
2288.530 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | What's an Architect? | Tue Jul 16 1996 18:02 | 5 |
| In fact, they changed upward several times during the year!
Jc
|
2288.531 | V6 SRI | WOTVAX::WARNERD | | Tue Aug 06 1996 21:18 | 9 |
| Dear all
Has anyone had a price for the V6 SRI Vectra recently.
Regards
Dean
|
2288.532 | Vectra Super-Touring, right? | TRUCKS::BARRON | | Wed Aug 07 1996 23:04 | 16 |
|
Your refering to the Vectra Super Touring I assume? ....I heard there was to be
a 200bhp version of the current 'one-off, all white' SRi 2.0L 'skirted-Vectra' -
designated 'Super Touring', thats supposed to have the V6 power unit (only
tweeked slightly from its standard 170bhp). That'll be the Mega-Super-Touring
eh!
At last a Vauxhall with some go.....
Prices anyone ????
(not that I'm desperate you understand, your average Mondeo is probably still
more fun that an Vectra ever could be!)
Bjb ;)
|
2288.533 | Vectra v6 | WOTVAX::WARNERD | | Fri Aug 09 1996 16:41 | 10 |
|
Thanks for the reply but no, the Vectra Sri 2.5 V6 is available for
order at the local dealer and is detailed in this months CAR magazine.
Should be a quick car.
Regards
Dean
|
2288.534 | And also... | MUGGER::LIVINGSTONE | Survive! get a little crazy... | Fri Aug 09 1996 16:41 | 3 |
| Alternatively, see note 2352.134
Regards; Phil.
|
2288.535 | New Servicing garages | CHEFS::WILKINSON_M | | Tue Aug 13 1996 16:47 | 197 |
| Company Car Scheme - Changes to Servicing Agents.
Anyone seen the new servicing item under Car Fleet ?
New Scheme detailed below :-
As part of the ongoing process to improve customer service and to
contain lease costs, Lease Plan have negotiated favourable terms
with a network of preferred servicing agents to complement Digital's
office locations in the UK.
The preferred servicing agents and levels of service detailed
below apply for vehicles supplied by the following manufacturers:-
Citroen, Fiat, Ford, Hyundai, Nissan, Peugeot, Renault, Rover,
Seat,Vauxhall,Volkswagen, Honda, Mazda and Toyota.
For any vehicles supplied by other manufacturers, drivers should
continue to contact Lease Plan on 7830 8066 (01753 797224) for
details of the most suitable servicing agent in their area.
The preferred servicing agents have agreed to provide the
following minimum level of service to Digital drivers.
Priority Booking Service
The servicing agent will operate a priority booking-in facility
and guarantee any bookings made by Digital drivers for service and
repairs as long as three (3) days advance notice is given. Safety
related queries (e.g. braking or steering) will receive immediate
attention.
Collection & Delivery
The servicing agents will provide a free collection and delivery
service. The servicing agents need to be able to plan this service
and therefore require a minimum of three (3) working days notice
to be able to accommodate your requirements on collection and
delivery.
All vehicles will be collected before 11am and returned by 5pm
unless otherwise agreed with the driver.
If you do not need a vehicle whilst your car is being serviced we
strongly recommend the use of this facility.
Loan Cars
A suitable courtesy car will be made available, free of charge, by
the servicing agent, provided that a minimum of seven (7) working
days notice is given and that this is specifcally requested by the
driver at the time of booking.
This is a major area of potential cost saving for Digital. We
strongly urge you to make use of the collection and delivery or loan
car facility wherever possible.
In view of the two facilities offered above, the use of daily
rental vehicles whilst mechanical repairs and servicing work is being
carried out should only should only be made in an emergency or
under extreme circumstances.
Warranty Work
The servicing agent will ensure that all warranty work is carried
out to the manufacturers specification using manufacturer's original
parts and oils whilst making certain that manufacturer's
warranties and any out of warranty contributions are maintained. The
servicing agent will also take all necessary action to gain benefit from
such and any out of warranty contributions are maintained. The
servicing agent will also take all necessary action to gain benefit from
such as manufacturer warranties, free service offers, high mileage
services and maximum claims under manufacturers out of warranty
contributions.
Please find below details and locations of preferred servicing
agents :-
DIGITAL PREFERRED SERVICING
LOCATION AGENT
Reading DA Fleet Services
Unit 9, Marino Way
Hogwood Lane Ind Est
Finchampstead
Berkshire
RG40 4RF
Tel: 01754 730800
Contact:David Connor
Leatherhead AA Workshop
20 Vickers Drive North
Brooklands Ind Park
Weybridge
Surrey
KT13 0YU
Tel: 01932 336076
Contact:Peter Andrews
Basingstoke Ralph Motors
Viables Lane
Basingstoke
Hampshire
RG22 4BU
Tel: 01256 22344
Contact:Ralph Goodman
Leeds Apples Car Clinic
58 Burley Road
Leeds
58 Burley Road
Leeds
West Yorkshire
LS3 1JX
Tel: 01132 446332
Contact:Peter Ingleby
Birmingham Apples Car Clinic
111 Westly Road
Acocks Green
Birmingham
West Midlands
B27 7UW
Tel: 0121 707 3466
Contact:Steve Ellson
Warrington Apples Car Clinic
Hawleys Lane
Warrington
Cheshire
WA2 8JJ
Tel: 01925 240520
Contact:Fred Turner
Colchester Cowies of Colchester
Scotts Corner
Ipswich Road
Colchester
Essex
CO4 4HS
Tel: 01206 844422
Contact:Richard Clayton
Gateshead AA Workshop
Team Valley Trading Estate
Armstrong Road
Earlsway
Gateshead
Tyne and Wear
NE11 0RQ
Tel: 0191 482 3430
Contact:Geoff Hope
Fareham AA Workshop
Andes Road
Nursling
Southampton
Hampshire
SO1 9YZ
Tel: 01703 733373
Tel: 01703 733373
Contact:Phil Orchard
Bristol AA Workshop
Fourth Way
Avonmouth
Bristol
Avon
BS11 8DL
Tel: 01179 822396
Contact:Martin Husk
Belfast AA Workshop
West Bank Drive
Dargan Road Harbour Estate
Belfast
BT3 9LA
Any comments ?
Mark
|
2288.536 | | WOTVAX::DODD | | Tue Aug 13 1996 17:15 | 6 |
| As I've never heard of Apples Car Clinic, I'll have to reserve
judgement.
As these are "preferred" I wonder if we can ignore it?
Andrew
|
2288.537 | | WOTVAX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Tue Aug 13 1996 17:30 | 12 |
| .535
I live at Dunstable (someone has to) which is near to the old WLO
location. So my nearest is either Birmingham or Colchester. I'm sure
they'll love the free collection and delivery!
And has no one told the Digital end of the LeasePlan relationship of
the office closures with the growing number of people who are NOT
office based? I wonder how that would affect the choice of service
agents?
Nick
|
2288.538 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | What's an Architect? | Wed Aug 14 1996 13:39 | 10 |
| re .537,
My car is in for its (last) service in Ralphs at the moment. I'll ask
them if they plan to collect my next one from my home address for its
first service. I'll have to leave them the map - how much extra will
the 90 minute round trip cost for the service? I'm sure that Digital
will pick this up eventually.
Jc
|
2288.539 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Wed Aug 14 1996 14:35 | 13 |
| I just checked with Ralphs about this and they do offer all the
services that are specified.
They will collect and deliver the vehicle. They do this for people who
work at DEC park. So a reasonable distance seems no object.
They will supply a courtesy car at their expense (this does not get
passed to Digital or Leaseplan) although the lady I spoke to wasn't
sure if it was it was covered by their insurance or Digitals. Worth
checking to ensure the car is covered for business use. They need 7
days notice to arrange this.
Royston
|
2288.540 | | WOTVAX::DODD | | Wed Aug 14 1996 15:16 | 8 |
| I don't think I've ever had a courtesy car, or collection/delivery for
a routine service. The Vauxhall main dealer is within 5 minutes walk of
the Leeds office. Someone is paying for "Apples Car Clinic" to offer
this service.
You know it makes sense.
Andrew
|
2288.541 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | What's an Architect? | Wed Aug 14 1996 16:24 | 7 |
| I have just come back from Ralphs (Basingstoke). Barry says the deal
with Leaseplan is a 10 mile radius and yes, sometimes they strech it
as far as Decpark.
Jc
|
2288.542 | long distance servicing !! | WOTVAX::BRUCEA | | Wed Aug 14 1996 17:00 | 9 |
| Anybody notice the lack of agents in Scotland??
As Aberdeen is my office and I live in Inverness there is no real
problem------- warrington is about the same distance from both !!
adrian =:-}
|
2288.543 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Wed Aug 14 1996 17:04 | 12 |
| >Anybody notice the lack of agents in Scotland??
Everyone should note that these garages are 'preferred'.
In my view it changes nothing as we can (at present) use any garage
that is a leaseplan agent.
There is as far as I can see no insentive for us to use these garages
apart from knowing that we are saving LP some money that will hopefully
be passed back to Digital by means of cheaper lease costs.
Royston
|
2288.544 | | COMICS::CORNEJ | What's an Architect? | Wed Aug 14 1996 17:27 | 14 |
| Clip from VTX...
> In view of the two facilities offered above, the use of daily
> rental vehicles whilst mechanical repairs and servicing work is
> being carried out should only should only be made in an emergency or
> under extreme circumstances.
As you have to phone leaseplan to order a rental car while yours is in
for a service, I would expect the answer to be "ask the garage to do
it for free - as per (this) vtx page.
Jc
|
2288.545 | | WOTVAX::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Wed Aug 14 1996 21:01 | 1 |
| Has the Audi A3 appeared on Leasplan price list yet?
|
2288.546 | Golf S/R??? | WOTVAX::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Fri Aug 16 1996 19:36 | 17 |
2288.547 | The sun has got his hat on... | CHEFS::MICHAELSONJ | | Fri Aug 16 1996 19:39 | 7 |
| s/r = sun roof ?
Nah, couldn't be that obvious.
:)
Jonathan
|
2288.548 | It Is | CHEFS::slagra.reo.dec.com::Slade_G | | Wed Aug 28 1996 21:48 | 1 |
|
|
2288.549 | Leaseplan or Dec that is the question | SEDSWS::OXFORD | Go mad this weekend, eat beef | Thu Nov 21 1996 16:25 | 19 |
2288.550 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Thu Nov 21 1996 17:32 | 11 |
2288.551 | vectra price?? | WOTVAX::BRUCEA | | Mon Nov 25 1996 23:42 | 4 |
2288.552 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Tue Nov 26 1996 12:06 | 5 |
2288.553 | | POMPY::LESLIE | Andy, reassuringly expensive | Tue Nov 26 1996 13:36 | 1 |
2288.554 | Its all white | SEDSWS::OXFORD | Go mad this weekend, eat beef | Tue Nov 26 1996 15:41 | 9 |
2288.555 | Its all B*****KS | WOTVAX::BARRETTR | | Tue Nov 26 1996 15:56 | 15 |
2288.556 | A bit more than aircon ? | RDGENG::WILKINS | | Tue Nov 26 1996 20:04 | 7 |
2288.557 | If you are i'll ave some | SEDSWS::OXFORD | Go mad this weekend, eat beef | Wed Nov 27 1996 18:05 | 7 |
2288.558 | So...drugs it was then ! | RDGENG::WILKINS | | Wed Nov 27 1996 19:27 | 5 |
2288.559 | Audi A3, Volvo s40/v40 ? | WOTVAX::MILLSWEST | | Mon Dec 23 1996 12:02 | 7 |
2288.560 | | TGRAPH::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Apr 16 1997 14:20 | 14 |
2288.561 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Lead, follow, or get out the way | Wed Apr 16 1997 14:27 | 3 |
| Thanks Ian from all of us for all the work you've done setting this up.
Royston
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2288.562 | Options? | SEDSWS::BOND | Its grim up North | Wed Apr 16 1997 15:59 | 2 |
| Thanks for providing this info. Is there a possibility that the price
of options could be added eg. Air Con ?
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2288.563 | | TGRAPH::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Wed Apr 16 1997 17:26 | 18 |
| .561> Thanks Ian from all of us for all the work you've done setting this up.
I'm not worthy of your praise! It really didn't take much to
write a script to insert HTML tags into the original data. I've
refined my procedure a bit since then, and the whole the thing
is fairly automatic now.
.562> Thanks for providing this info. Is there a possibility that the price
.562> of options could be added eg. Air Con ?
I thought about that, and I would like to do it. However it would
require a lot more effort and I don't have the free time currently.
~Ian.
(Ironically replacing the current gateway software with Microsoft's
SNA server would be a lot less work, and would give full WEB access
to the LPDIRECT system - but I guess that would be too easy).
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