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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2282.0. "Test drive a Formula 1 ?" by LEMAN::CHEVAUX (Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150) Thu Jul 14 1994 22:08

    Interested ?
    
    The AGS team, based at LE LUC EN PROVENCE circuit near TOULON, FRANCE
    have been somewhat dismantled after leaving the F1 circus a couple of
    years ago. The 8 people remaining in the company are offering several
    packages including
    
    - a F1 starter day for FF 5500, comprising
    
    	- briefing and 25 laps in a F3
    	- briefing and 3 laps in a AGS F1
    	- food, beverages, helmet, overall, boots, ...
    
    The cars are real AGS F1s of 2 kinds: the latest, raised nose, narrow 
    body version as well as the older (Philippe Streiff) version with a
    longer and wider cockpit (Streiff is 1.93m tall !). They are powered by
    standard Ford Cosworth 3.5ltr engines (rated at 650bhp).
    
    AGS claim they don't restrict the use of the cars when the students
    have been briefed. No pace car or other obstrction.
    
    Next F1 days:	19 July (sold out)
    			19 Aug
    			05 Sept     
    
    Should we organize a DEC F1 day ?
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2282.1FF to $?OASS::HEARSE::Burden_dKeep Cool with CoolidgeThu Jul 14 1994 22:253
What's the current conversion rate for US $?

Dave
2282.2Approx: $860HYLNDR::MKINGThu Jul 14 1994 23:396
Not sure of the current FF exchange rate with anything, but it used to
hover around FF10 = 1 pound, and the US$ to Pound xchange rate is about 1.56
today.  So as a rough cut FF5500=$860.

Plus the air-fare :-)
Martin
2282.3STAR::MWOLINSKIuCoder sans FrontieresFri Jul 15 1994 01:4310
    
    
    The current exchange rate is ff5.2 = $1.00 so the drive would cost
    around $1057. assuming the rate doesn't drop any further. You can 
    get RT air to Paris for about $350.-$390. 
    
    
    -mike
    
    
2282.4Now where's that holiday request formVARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Fri Jul 15 1994 12:2915
    Patrick,
    
    >>The AGS team, based at LE LUC EN PROVENCE circuit near TOULON, FRANCE
    
    What happened to the name of "Circuit Paul Ricard"?
    
    Is the entrance free for those that come along and just watch as it
    could be a nice day out with the wife and kids?
    
    You say that the 19th July session is sold out - out of interest how
    many slots are there for each session?
    
    Anyone got FF5500 spare? :-(
    
    Dave
2282.6Like TotallyFUTURS::LONGWY::LEWISImagine being without a NewtFri Jul 15 1994 13:417
    > Should we organize a DEC F1 day ?
    
    It would be rather rude not to !
    
    How about 5 Sep. The Bol d'Or must be round about then.
    
    Rob
2282.7LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Fri Jul 15 1994 19:2041
2282.8Too short noticeFUTURS::LONGWY::LEWISImagine being without a NewtFri Jul 15 1994 19:406
    I have just been reminded that the 5th Sept is a no-no, as is the 20th
    Aug :-(.
    
    Any chance of planning something for next year ?
    
    Rob
2282.9If only...VARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Fri Jul 15 1994 20:1130
    RE: .7
    
    >>The Circuit Paul Ricard is another circuit (bigger one) located near
    >>MARSEILLE. Le Luc is a smaller place than Paul Ricard. It is located
    >>50km east of Paul Ricard, about halfway between MARSEILLE and VALBONNE.
    
    Now that you come to mention it I did see another circuit marked on the
    map when we were looking at taking a drive around the wine growing area
    a couple of weeks back.
    
    
    >>Apart from the circuit there is little to do. I think there is a bar
    >>and a minigolf. The nearest town is something like 8km down the road.
    >>The seaside (St Tropez) is some 40km south of the circuit (count 1
    >>hour because of the twisty little roads, unles you practice rally
    >>driving ...).
    
    No problems concerning the other facilities basically we would take a
    picnic with us and stay around for a couple of hours to watch a few
    cars and then go onto other places for some wine testing :-) 
    
    
    >>Don't know but can easily find out. Other possibility is to book a
    >>whole day for 10 DECcies. Would you be interested ?
    
    Don't worry it was just a casual question. If we had the money spare
    even my wife say do it. What with a few major bills coming up over the
    next 3 months I think I'll have to skip it this year :-(
    
    Dave
2282.10We're off to see the wizard the wonderfull...VARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Mon Jul 18 1994 19:443
    Well as long as it doesn't rain again tomorrow were going down for a
    couple of hours to have a look around and watch a few folks having a
    go. 
2282.11Contact details??NEWOA::MACMILLANRedoubtable solutions a specialityTue Jul 19 1994 13:588
	Re .0

	Patrick,

	Have you got any contact details for this - where did you find out
	about it?

	Rob
2282.12LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Jul 19 1994 22:0616
2282.13A nice day had by allVARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Wed Jul 20 1994 13:2525
    Well we went to have a look - for those who are thinking about going
    down to the cicuit it took under 30 minutes from Cannes to the Le Luc
    exit and then it's about another 5 minutes after this on the D33. 
    
    The F1 cars that they used yesterday had race certificates from the 
    Hungarian GP 1989 and Spanish GP 1991. The Spanish GP car had the
    drivers name of Tarquini on the side.
    
    First car went out - no problems. Concerning the second car the first
    driver out in it managed to land in a gravel trap on his first full
    lap (the circuit is not that big at all so a lap is pretty quick). They
    had to tow the car back to the factory to clean it out! Not sure about
    the state of the drivers overalls but I imagine he was glad that they
    were tight around the ankles :-) 
    
    We then went over to the factory and had a look around - shame we could
    only spend about 5 minutes there as we had to leave to come back here.
    
    For the kids (aged 3 and 5) we took them to a Turtle "village" which
    was only 10 minutes drive away. Basically you turn right out from the
    cicuit entrance and carry along the road until the D33/D75 junction
    where you turn right, direction Gonfaron. For the adults there is also
    some decent vineyards around where you can do some wine tasting and
    pick up some reasonable stuff in 10 litre containers (which we bottle
    at home). 
2282.14Next week eh!VARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Wed Jul 20 1994 14:1716
    RE: .12
    
    Patrick,
    
    >>I'll spend some time there next week. Do you need anything ? For the
    >>present time I've only got their price list (in french and FF). You can
    >>obviously choose to do more than 3 laps in a AGS F1 but the prices go
    >>up steep !
    
    Do you have anything planned while you are there...?
    
    I've got plenty of holiday days to use up :-) It's a shame Stuart B.
    will be giving a course here next week otherwise I could have dragged
    him along.
    
    Dave
2282.15LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Jul 20 1994 14:3514
2282.16JURA::REPLAT::KEHILYShe probably lives in TahitiWed Jul 20 1994 15:207
Patrick,

Is this place the same as Le Luc airfield? 

Cheers,

Graham.
2282.17some directionsLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Jul 21 1994 17:1112
2282.18Sep 5LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Aug 09 1994 22:013
    Just called AGS/F1. The Aug 19 session is full. 
    
    Seats available for the Sep 5. I'm in. Anyone else ?
2282.19have camera will travelVARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Wed Aug 10 1994 13:366
    Patrick,
    
    If you've got a video camera do you want me to pop along and film you -
    hopefully not taking a plunge into the gravel trap like a guy before.
    
    Dave
2282.20LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Aug 10 1994 15:263
2282.21OASS::BURDEN_Dand a dozen grey attorneysWed Aug 10 1994 19:243
Can we get one in the NA format or will the 8mm work on PAL and ours too?

Dave
2282.22the reportLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Sep 13 1994 22:40211
2282.23there were witnessesLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Sep 13 1994 22:423
    re .22
    
    Your turn Dave. Tell us what it really looked like ...
2282.24AIMTEC::BURDEN_DA bear in his natural habitatWed Sep 14 1994 01:414
Great report Patrick.  Wonder if they could install FIA cameras on the cars and
make some more money selling tapes of your laps?

Dave (the other one)
2282.25great ideaLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Sep 14 1994 14:4311
2282.26And from the other side of the pit wallVARDAF::CHURCHDave Church@VBE (DTN 828-6125)Wed Sep 14 1994 15:5652
2282.27FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point...Wed Sep 14 1994 16:0510
    re>> noise upon starting an F1
    
    You think that's loud, try standing next to a funny car with open
    headers when they start THAT up! Ringing for the next half hour....
    
    (And try breathing when they switch the thing to run on alcohol, it
    eats so much surrounding air and replaces it with burnt gas, you
    physically find it hard to breathe!)
    
    Dan$draghead
2282.28I'll try again LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Sep 14 1994 16:575
2282.29some thoughtsLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Sep 15 1994 17:4721
    Minor (?) detail to bear in mind when discussing acceleration and
    braking distances:
    
    Weight to Power Ratio
    
    				Empty weight	Power	  W/P ratio 
    				    (kg)        (bhp)	 (kg per bhp)
    	-------------------------------------------------------------      
    	- city car		    900		 60	     15	
    	- family saloon		   1200		150	      8
    	- GM Euroseries		    450		180	      2.5
    	- AGS F1		    505		600	       .85
    
    This shows that a difference in payload has little influence on a
    family saloon but will make significant changes in driving a F1.
    
    The other thing to consider is the aerodynamic load vs speed. At
    whatever speed the family saloon will have an equal load on its
    suspension and wheels (or get slightly lighter load due to wing effect). 
    Whereas the racecars will end up with over a ton even at medium speeds.
    This definitely helps high speed braking (and cornering).
2282.30FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point...Thu Sep 15 1994 18:354
    I read somewhere that, although it's not official (ie. nobody's done it
    in an F1) an F1 car could drive along a ceiling at xxx mph upside down and 
    not fall off.
    
2282.31METSYS::ALLENThat's right, I was bounced.Thu Sep 15 1994 19:289
    Yeah, I heard it aswell Dan...
    
    ...it was quoted onlong the lines of:
    
     last years Williams Renault doing approx. 160mph could drive upside
    down because of the downforce it creates.
    
    ...I think you must have read it in one of Dan RRs Mags last year,
    because that's where I remember reading it!
2282.32AIMTEC::BURDEN_DA bear in his natural habitatThu Sep 15 1994 19:343
Doesn't M-B have a test track with banking that bends past vertical?

Dave
2282.33I always wondered how they do it down southLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Sep 15 1994 21:265