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570.13 | Beep Beep | SHAPES::FIDDLERM | | Wed Mar 14 1990 17:03 | 14 |
| HI All,
I've just got the use of a Fiat Uno SX - to replace my poor
burnt out Fiesta for a while. Is there anyone else out there who has
problems with the gearbox? Getting it into first gear seems to require
a subtle blend of tact, cunning, and extreme violence!
Also, the drivers door mirror has one of those little mirrors stuck on
it to cover the blind spot. Is this standard? If not, how do I get
the %*&*#*%$g thing off? It sseems well stuck on!
One last thing - is there any way to alter the height of the seat? My
head hurts from the bumps!
Mikef
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570.14 | | NEARLY::GOODENOUGH | | Thu Mar 22 1990 20:13 | 4 |
| Why would you want to remove the blind spot mirror? Especially if
the car is only on loan ...
Jeff.
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570.15 | Pointless | SHAPES::FIDDLERM | | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:58 | 4 |
| Because the blind spot mirror seems to cause more blind spots than it
solves...
Mikef
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570.16 | More on the UNO 60S........ | CHEFS::CLEMENTSD | Public Sector and Telecomms | Mon Oct 08 1990 13:36 | 14 |
| I have just become the owner of a UNO 60S. First registered in January
'88 (will I ever get away from winter MoT's?).
This is probably the wrong time to be asking...... but are there any
vices in this specific car that I should know about. Previous entries
in this topic seem to be reasonably positive.
I bought the Haynes manual which seems to be the most confusing one
that I have ever come across, full of supplementary advice and comments
and skipping between variants in different parts of the car on a
seemingly ad-hoc basis. It is also full of pictures bearing the wildly
useful caption "Spanner on nut XYZ" and "Mechanic pulling vacuum hose
off carburettor" etc..... so, anybody have access to or know where a
reasonable number of folding green one can get a better volume?
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570.17 | UNO OK | NEWOA::MCGINTYJ | | Mon Oct 08 1990 17:07 | 21 |
| Our 70S is now 6 years old and was bought 3-1/2 years ago. Goes well
but there are a couple of points to be aware of:
1) Prone to oil leaks between cam-box/cylinder head and cylinder head
block. Not serious but can look messy.
2) The ball joints in the front suspension wishbones can pack up and
the suspension rattles - the Hayne's manual tells you how to check.
Your's probably has all electronic ignition but, if not, leave yourself
plenty of time to change the points - it's a real bear.
Ref. Haynes manuals & confusion - agree! I changed the timing belt a
while ago and the manual caused more problems than it helped.
The real question is - would we have another one? Yes!
Give me a bell if you want more details.
John,
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570.18 | Messy UNO | SBPEXE::PREECE | That's MISTER Megalomaniac to you.... | Fri May 08 1992 22:21 | 16 |
|
My (OK, my wife's..) UNO 60S has just shown signs of an interesting little
problem.... on my way out of the house this morning, I spotted a sinister
puddle of oil under the front nearside....I checked that she's not going to use
it today, so I just slipped a tray under there and left it for the weekend.
Now, about three months ago, the it did the same thing, and the local garage
replaced a split C/V joint boot. Could it be that the same part has failed
again, and if so, why ?
Anyone else had similar experiences ? (Or know how easy/hard it is to replace,
since I don't really want to pay that much again !!!)
Ta !
Ian
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570.19 | | FORTY2::PALKA | | Sat May 09 1992 00:22 | 10 |
| re .18
A CV joint doesn't normally have oil in it. It is packed with grease,
which may get thrown out while the car is moving if the boot is bad.
It should be easy to inspect the boots.
Is it still dripping out ? Can you tell if it is engine oil, gearbox
oil, coolant or brake fluid ? Are any of the levels down ?
Andrew
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570.20 | Nuttin' to it..... | SBPEXE::PREECE | That's MISTER Megalomaniac to you.... | Mon May 11 1992 01:19 | 79 |
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It was gearbox oil, and the boot which had split was on the inboard end
of the shaft, not the C/V (wheel) end.
Following an interesting chat with the man at the local Fiat parts
desk, and a few hours of scientifically-applied bad language, it's now
all shiny and clean again....
Out of the exercise came the following learnings, which I record here
for the benefit of others who may pass this way...
To replace either of the boots, you need to take the drive shaft right
out. To do that, you have to put the car up on stands, take the wheel
off and remove the hub nut. First hint.....ease the hub nut while
the car is still on the ground. It's torqued up to 200 ft-lbs, which
equates to me standing on the end of a bit of hefty gas-pipe....much easier
and safer to do this sort of grunt'n'groan while it's still on four
wheels. Second hint... buy a new hub-nut. It's "staked" (= had a bit
of the nut bashed into a slot on the shaft.), and you have to drift out
the staking before you can get it to turn. This tends to wreck the
nut.
Once the nut's off and the wheel's out of the way, a gentle tap will
suffice to drive the shaft back out of the hub. Honest.....
From the man at the garage came the tip that it is _possible_ to get
the half-shaft out without undoing the track-rod end joint, contrary to what
it says in the manual. If you really, genuinely can't get hold of a
ball-joint splitter, you may want to attempt it. If you shove the
shaft as far back into the gearbox as you can, drop the hub off the
bottom of the shock absorber and manage not to rip the brake hydraulics
(take the hydralic pipe support clip off the back of the suspension
strut, it gives you a lot more scope.).... you can _just_ do it......but
it only take 5 minutes to split the track-rod joint.....
A bit of string is handy, at this point, to stop the hub dropping too
far and ripping the brake line off anyway.
Now you can undo the four bolts holding the inboard end of the shaft
into the gearbox Third hint.... if one of them comes out longer than
the others, you've made the same mistake as me, and started to take the
side off the transmission housing. Put it back ! (It's dark in
there...)
The plate itself is stiff, due to there being an oil-seal in there.
(You _did_ drain the gearbox, didn't you ? Oh, never mind.....)
Fourth hint.... Once the plate comes loose, the shaft is going to fall
out, all oily and slippery. Be ready to catch it, unless you enjoy
picking bits of garage floor out of tiny bearings....
To get the boots off, you have to remove one or other of the joints.
The inboard end is favourite, it's simpler. (One circlip and a few
minutes' deft manipulation with a three-toed puller)
Then you whip the new bits on, put it all back together and stick the
shaft back in. All will be simple, if a little fiddly, until you get
to doing up the track-rod ball-joint. Once the two halves are apart,
they can rotate freely, and that's just what they do when you do the
nut up..... the bolt turns around, too.. Fifth hint...you know that
three-toed puller you had a minute ago, and you've just given it back to
the guy you borrowed it from ? Well, you need it again. Hook the feet
of the puller under the bottom half of the ball-joint and screw the
bolt down on the top. Enough pressure, and the pin-bolt will stay still
while you do the business.
Lastly, not so much a hint as a dire warning....if you're trying to do
this out of a Haynes manual, treat with some scepticism the advice it
gives on the choice of gearbox oil.... it recommends 15w40 engine oil,
which is awful thin for a gearbox ! "Proper" Fiat gearbox oil is
80/90, and has the consistency of cold syrup....
My friendly local garage man also advised me to use ZC90, not EP**.
Seemingly, EP90 is not good for the bushes in the transmission.
Final step.... take for a test-ride, (you _did_ stake the hub-nut back
on, didn't you ?) observe the clean-and-dry
underside of your motor, and bask in the radiance of awe and
admiration of your family and neighbours.. and the fact you haven't
had to take a second mortgage to get it fixed.....
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570.21 | One More Time | WARHED::GILLILAND | | Mon May 11 1992 12:09 | 3 |
| So, could you just go through that again for us?
Phil Gill.
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570.22 | I join the club | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Wed May 19 1993 15:26 | 7 |
| I just became the proud owner of a 1992 Uno 60S. Car bought for wife
and kid, but could not resist taking it to work today.
What I like: (low) weight, turn-in, brakes
What I don't like: gearchange, (noise)
So far so good. 22000km on the clock. Looking forward
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570.23 | The Uno crowd.. | CURRNT::CARSON | Paul Carson 100117,1761@compuserve.com | Wed May 19 1993 16:33 | 21 |
| I used to be the owner of an Uno 60s (C-reg, so it was about 86 i
think).
Excellent car. Light steering, Very economical, chic and unique (at the
time) although there fairly common now. Infact it was my second Uno, I
used to have an 84 55s before that.
One constant thing though was the rubbery gear change, but once you get
used to it, its ok.
I was always impressed with just how much I could get into it too. Even
got one of Ikea King Size double beds (including the two mattresses)
in it.
Moved onto something now with much less character and cheek but a tad
quicker... :->
/pc
ps. sold it to my Aunt, so I still get to see it and have a drive now
and then.
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570.24 | | PEKING::SMITHRW | The Great Pyramid of Bloke | Wed May 19 1993 16:37 | 6 |
| You should have got a Selecta.
They're faster away from the lights, as well.
Richard
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570.25 | getting better | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Mon May 24 1993 13:35 | 6 |
570.26 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Wed Sep 06 1995 17:54 | 17 |
570.27 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Wed Sep 06 1995 18:32 | 6 |
| Oh, and another thing....is it possible to drop (ie with no engine bay
modification) a 1300 Turbo engine straight into the Fiat Uno (G-Reg)
Formula 950cc thingy in my drive. Or, alternatively, any other fiat
engine for that matter?
Shaun$probably_have_to_wait_ten_years_for_a_reply
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570.28 | | CHEFS::GEORGEM | Gewn ni Gorffen | Wed Sep 06 1995 19:13 | 6 |
| re .27
Not safely, I shouldn't think, H'anus. It's cheaper to go out and buy a turbo,
second hand. They're very cheap, 2nd hand. I've been offered a straight swap
between my E reg Golf (basic model) and an E/F (can't remember, it was a while
back) Uno Turbo effort. Hard to believe, but true.
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570.29 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Wed Sep 06 1995 19:30 | 8 |
| If the turbo could be dropped straight in Matt then I could do a recon,
lighten the crank, raise the barrel and skim the head etc....cont Pg 94.
The only thing the car would need would be sport pads or disk brakes for
the front (I intend to get the engine with cluth & GB).
So if there's no chassis mod to do then its definately an option.
Shaun$answers_now_please
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570.30 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Tyro-Delphi-hacker | Wed Sep 06 1995 19:43 | 5 |
| Shaun,
The phrase "Is it really worth the effort?" springs easily to mind.
Laurie.
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570.31 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Wed Sep 06 1995 20:03 | 6 |
| Making model aeroplanes isn't really worth the effort but some people
find it fun. I happen to enjoy mucking about with cars. Secondly, my
Fiat Uno has a certain emotional attachment and so i'd rather convert
that than buy another.
Shaun
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570.32 | | RIOT01::SUMMERFIELD | Missing, presumed fed. | Wed Sep 06 1995 20:13 | 13 |
| Shaun,
I think the suspension setup needs uprating (ie anti-roll bars, shocks,
etc), along with the fact that the Fiat Uno Turbo had ventilated front
disc brakes and solid rear discs, whereas a bog-standard UNO had rear
drums and solid front discs. Also, if you look under the bonnet of an
Uno Turbo, you'll find that there's sod all room and a need for
specialised tools.
Personally, I wouldn't bother with the conversion. Why not settle for
something simpler, like upgrading the carbs?
Clive
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570.33 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Wed Sep 06 1995 20:28 | 5 |
| Clive,
So whats your oppinion of transplanting a simple 1300 engine insteda ?
Shaun
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570.34 | | RIOT01::SUMMERFIELD | Missing, presumed fed. | Wed Sep 06 1995 20:44 | 4 |
| A darn sight easier. If you slap a pair of Weber DCOEs(I think) on as
well, you'll have quite a nifty gas-guzzler for not a lot of effort.
Clive
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570.35 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Wed Sep 06 1995 20:52 | 8 |
| Yeah, you're right....I mean I could always add the Nitro-Oxide later!!
Loz ? Can I borrow your tools ?
oh and could someone please give me the tuning spec as requested in
prev note.....I thank you!
Shaun
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570.36 | Uno Engine Info. | CHEFS::MCGINTYJ | | Thu Sep 07 1995 16:31 | 25 |
| Ref .26
Depends what engines its got.
903CC 999CC Fire
Valve clearance
inlet 6thou 10-14thou
exhaust 8thou 14-18thou
Points 15-17thou 15-17thou
Plug gap 28-32thou 28-32thou
Ignition timing 5deg BTDC 2deg BTDC
(dynamic - vacuum advance disconnected and plugged*)
Exhaust gas 0.5-1.5% CO 0.5-1.5% CO
* Both my sons have Pandas with the 999cc Fire engine and the vacuum
advance modules were shot on both even though they'd just been serviced
at (different) Fiat main dealers before purchase. They run a lot
better after these were fixed and the ignition timing set up correctly.
Let me know if you need any more info.
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570.37 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Tyro-Delphi-hacker | Thu Sep 07 1995 16:42 | 6 |
| Go on then Shaun, give him a lecture about metrication! (He ripped into
me because I said it was easier to work in whole numbers [1/1000ths]
than decimal parts of a millimetre). Luckily for H'anus I have feeler
gauges in both flavours.
Loz$Imperial_for_me.
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570.38 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Thu Sep 07 1995 16:54 | 25 |
570.39 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Tyro-Delphi-hacker | Thu Sep 07 1995 17:38 | 6 |
| It's also possible to control emissions by playing with the mixture,
and if it's running weak, and it probably is, then that would help it
overheat (as would having the ignition too advanced, which I think
it is).
Laurie.
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570.40 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Thu Sep 07 1995 17:56 | 7 |
| You're right of course - I should have used the word 'Tuning' instead
of 'timing', which I thought I had done till I re-read my note. I'm in
full agreement that the mixture is weak (I think the ignition timing is
OK but i'll see you a pint on that point) - alas there is also a nice
tappet mess to sort out as well.
Shaun$looking_forward_to_saturday
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570.41 | | CHEFS::MCGINTYJ | | Thu Sep 07 1995 18:23 | 15 |
| Ref .38
You can twiddle the carburettor mixture screw a long way in or out
without making any noticeable difference in how the engine runs but the
emissions go out the window. The spark plug colour will tell you if
you're in the right ballpark *IF* everything else is right. I bought
one of those Gunson Gastester gadgets a few years ago and it's paid
for itself many times over in keeping our cars running right and
passing MOT's.
You mentioned that the car had just been serviced and MOT's. One of my
sons bought a Panda that was supposedly just serviced and MOT'd - the
emissions were way outside the limit. Draw your own conclusions.
John
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570.42 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Thu Sep 07 1995 18:58 | 9 |
| Its true that you wouldn't notice much at tickover but you would during
a test drive - quite a lot as well i'd imagine.
As for services etc, i've never trusted garages - more so since I saw
the Which report thingy where they hid cameras in the bonnets and
filmed the whole service etc. Garages just tend to pretend they've done
ABC etc and then charge you the earth for it.
Shaun$rather_do_it_myself
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570.43 | **** | MILE::JENKINS | | Thu Sep 07 1995 22:14 | 5 |
|
Does this run leaded or unleaded - overheating could also be an
'octane' problem.
Richard.
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570.44 | Unleaded OK in 903cc | CHEFS::MCGINTYJ | | Fri Sep 08 1995 12:29 | 4 |
| According to Mr. Haynes the 903cc is ok on unleaded. The engine series
mentioned were 146A.000 and 146A.046.
John
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570.45 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Natural Born Speller | Fri Sep 08 1995 14:51 | 5 |
| I run unleaded - even if the polution claims are somewhat debateable!!
Shaun
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570.46 | Tales from Loz's ToolBox | BIS1::MENZIES | Uncle Blinkey! | Tue Sep 12 1995 13:15 | 36 |
570.47 | Temp's About Right | CHEFS::MCGINTYJ | | Tue Sep 12 1995 18:08 | 11 |
| Ref. .46
Sounds about right for the temperature compared with our 70S. The fan
cycles on/off more often than with other cars we've had but its never
been a problem.
I'd also change the brake fluid and anti-freeze on principle. They usually
don't get changed when they should (every two years).
John
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570.48 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Uncle Blinkey! | Tue Sep 12 1995 18:49 | 6 |
| You're right about the fan cycle! The brake fluid should be ok as they
ahd to replace two brake pipes during the MOT. As for the anti-freeze,
Loz recons I should flush out the radiator - the car had been standing
for or one and a half years.
Shaun
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570.49 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Uncle Blinkey! | Wed Sep 13 1995 14:37 | 9 |
| John, could you tell me where the timing marks are located on the Uno
motor. I can see a mark on the pully and a mark on the casing but have
no idea whether these corrispond to TDC or the actual timing pt.
I'm going to order the Haynes manual from WHSmith this saturday but
it'll take a few weeks to arrive and I really would like to do time the
thing before then.
Cheers, Shaun
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570.50 | Timing Marks | CHEFS::MCGINTYJ | | Wed Sep 13 1995 16:50 | 39 |
| Shaun,
I'm not familiar with the 903cc motor so will check with Mr Haynes
tonight and confirm.
There are usually two sets of marks on Fiat motors:
1) Under a rectangular plastic bung on top of the clutch housing.
Looking at the motor from the clutch end they are like
|-v--v--v--v-|
T 5 10 15 where T= top dead centre and 5/10/15 are degrees before
TDC
The timing mark is either a notch or a blind hole near the edge of the
flywheel which rotates under the timing marks. I recommend you paint
the mark with white paint, Tippex, or whatever because it's dark in
there. The flywheel rotates counter-clockwise when you're looking at
this end and the engine's turning.
Timing should be set as No 1 cylinder is on the firing stroke. Just
see that the rotor arm is pointing in the general direction of the No 1
contact in the distributor cap if you're doing static timing. If
you're using a strobe then just hang the trigger lead on No 1 plug
lead.
2) There is usually a mark on the pulley on the end of the crakshaft at
the timing belt/chain end of the motor and corresponding 15/10/5/T
marks adjacent on the motor or cambelt cover. You normally have to
remove the metal cover in the bottom of the wheel arch to see these
marks. The crankshaft rotates clockwise when you're looking at this end
of the engine.
It's recommended that you use the marks at the clutch end to set the
timing.
Hope this helps in the meantime.
John
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570.51 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Uncle Blinkey! | Wed Sep 13 1995 17:22 | 12 |
| Cheers John, I do remember seing the marks you mentioned on the Clutch
Housing (although the plastic plug must be lying on the M1 somewhere) -
there were no numbers adjacent to these marks and I saw no mark or hole
on the clutch itself as I rotated the engine. I shall have a peep again
tonight.
There is a mark on the pully and one mark on the engine casing but none
to be seen elsewhere in the vicinity so i'll stick to the clutch end.
I'd like to use a strobe and could get my hands on one but then i'd
also need a rev-counter which is just not possible so i'll stay static.
thanks again, shaun
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570.52 | Only 3 Marks on 903cc | CHEFS::MCGINTYJ | | Thu Sep 14 1995 12:28 | 11 |
| Shaun,
.50 was almost right. There are only 3 marks on the clutch housing
like:
|-V--v--v-|
representing respectively TDC, 5 & 10 deg.before TDC (no mark for 15
deg).
John
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570.53 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Uncle Blinkey! | Sun Sep 17 1995 21:28 | 12 |
| re .46
In continuation of my rant and rave against con-artist garages......
the silencer came away from the rest of the exhaust this weekend - only
two weeks after the full service and MOT.
Give it another week and i'll be lucky if the wheels dont just all pop
off at the same time as the seats collapse through the floor pans!!
Nice one mecanics!!
Shaun$annoyed
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570.54 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Tyro-Delphi-hacker | Mon Sep 18 1995 13:02 | 9 |
| Shaun,
To be fair, from your description of what happened, it sounds like the
welded joint rusted though, which is a classic symptom of a car having
been stood idle for a few years. It's unlikely they'd have spotted the
fact that the joint was about to fail as the rest of the exhaust
probably looked ok.
Laurie.
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570.55 | | BIS1::MENZIES | Uncle Blinkey! | Mon Sep 18 1995 13:27 | 6 |
| After I had calmed down I thought the same thing Loz, yet I did notice
the day after the MOT/SERVICE that the exhaust was blowing somewhere.
It was noticable as I passed hedgerows or walls on the near side and I
mentioned this to Malin at the time.
Shaun
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