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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2538.0. "Formula 1 gearchange on new BMW M3" by LEMAN::CHEVAUX (Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150) Mon Aug 05 1996 17:46

    Just read about BMW Motorsport releasing a new M3 model with a 'F1'
    gearchange ie
    
    - gear up/down change buttons on the steering wheel
    - foot down automatic gear up changes
    - intelligent programs allowing multiple gearchanges at once (down from
      6th to 1st for instance) 
    - gearchanges happen in 100ms
    
    PS: this is using standard gearbox, no Tiptronic or Automatic thing
        with torque converter, etc ... 
    
    I've been waiting for this.
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2538.1Slightly different report over hereCHEFS::LINCOLN_JMon Aug 05 1996 18:0812
	I've read about this in the UK, where it says that the 
	gearchange will be by a lever 'on the floor' as opposed
	to on the steering wheel. They say that the amount of 
	movement on a road car steering wheel is too great for
	the driver to be able to steer and find the switches
	at the same time.

	I've also read that most major manufacturers are also
	looking at this for their mass market cars, and some
	have working prototypes.

	-John
2538.2All this and over 100 bhp / lHIPS::WATSONI'll always be hereTue Aug 06 1996 12:5018
    Autocar had a revire of it a few weeks ago.       
    
    The gearlever is replaced by a stumpy (but very high tech looking)
    lever. I think the shift is in a 'U' shape (like the Jag auto box). one
    side of the U simulates a normal auto box the other (more interesting
    side) gives you a six speed sequential shift. Pushing the lever forward
    changes up and backwards changes down.
    
    The car is about 5 seconds faster round the nurburg ring(?sp) which
    gives it a time of the low 2:50's if memory serves me right.
    
    The 'box is an option to the M3 Evo and will add about 2000GBP to the
    cost.
    
    Rik - still waiting for a test drive in an M3 Evo
    
    Alpina do a modified 328 (B3.0 I think) which has the 5 speed auto box
    attached to two buttons behind the steering wheel.
2538.3Driving round the bend!CHEFS::GERRYTTue Aug 06 1996 17:411
    Yet more to go wrong!
2538.4help from electronicsLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Aug 07 1996 12:217
    I don't necessarily like sequential gearboxes. If think they're OK most
    of the time, they give very quick gearchanges and looking at the rally
    scene (in car camera images) the drivers don't make mistakes.
    
    I still want to be able to skip gearchanges (5th to 1st in hairpins,
    3rd to 5th on motorways, etc ..) so I want to see what BMW Motorsport
    have achieved.
2538.5Rally 'boxesCHEFS::slagra.reo.dec.com::Slade_GWed Aug 07 1996 13:577

	The sequential 'boxes in rally cars are not electronically controlled.
	They are "Straight cut" 'boxes, similar to Motorbike Gearboxes.

	Cheers
	Graham_S
2538.6change gear then steer :-)VYGER::JASPERTTue Aug 20 1996 16:515
    Whats wrong with buttons on the steering wheel ?
    There should be no need to steer & change gear at the same time.
    
    
    Tony.
2538.7WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Tue Aug 20 1996 17:086
    
  >  There should be no need to steer & change gear at the same time.
    
    	I take it this is just an opinion ?
    
    G.
2538.8Not my opinion...VYGER::JASPERTTue Sep 10 1996 17:546
    Its the opinion of the authors of the police driving manual
    "Roadcraft", the Institute of Advanced Drivers & RoSPA.
    
    Not much use for rallying/racing etc. though.
    
    Tony.
2538.9I want one !LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Sep 17 1996 20:313
2538.10The " Selespeed gearbox" !!!CHEFS::CZERESMWed Sep 18 1996 18:1618