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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

961.0. "Cavalier SRi Fuel Starvation ?" by SHAPES::DOUGLASSP (Course you don't get wafers !) Thu Feb 15 1990 17:40

   I have a problem with my B-reg Cavalier SRi (Automatic) that has been 
   going on for some time now.  I wonder if anyone could suggest an answer 
   before I start spending my cash with a garage.
   
   I am not DIY mechanic but I think I understand the basic workings of the 
   car engine.  Here are the symptoms and some facts which may be related or 
   totally unconnected.
   
   Symptoms :  Motoring along happily when the car starts 'kangarooing' and 
   the throttle fails to respond.  I lose speed but flooring the accelerator 
   sometimes works.  Occassionally I've had to pull over, put her in Neutral 
   and rev her until she picks up again.  She has never actually stalled on 
   me but can drop from around 80mph down to 40mph before picking up.
   
   Some facts :	Doesn't happen every day.
   		Can occur at any speed.
   		Can occur in dry or wet weather.
   		Up till this week, she only did it when hot/warmed up.
   		Not adjusted for unleaded.  Four star only.
   		Started happening back in September, on and off.
   		No problems starting in the mornings.
   		I do almost all Motorway driving - Leatherhead to B'stoke.
   
   What does the team think ?  
   
   Paul
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961.1FUEL FILTERAYOU08::WEARINGThu Feb 15 1990 17:531
    In two words FUEL FILTER.
961.2I'll change itSHAPES::DOUGLASSPCourse you don't get wafers !Thu Feb 15 1990 18:383
    Thanks,  but why not all the time ?
    
    Paul.
961.3SYSTEM::RUNDELLThu Feb 15 1990 18:421
      It could be a dodgy fuel pump or pressure relief valve.
961.4SUBURB::VEALESSimon Veale - DEC Park, ReadingThu Feb 15 1990 18:488
    
    A friend of mine with a cavalier had a tiny hole in his fuel pipe,
    just where it joined to the fuel pump. The pump ended up sucking
    mostly air. The car actually stopped completely, but maybe you have
    a mild attack of the same thing?
    
    Simon-who-knows-zippo-about-cars
    
961.5exAYOU08::WEARINGThu Feb 15 1990 18:5515
    Re fuel filter why not all the time. The filter gradually clogs and
    hence the fuel flow through it becomes gradually less. The maximum flow
    is at high revs under load e.g. motorway cruising and then
    acceleration and will gradually get worse.
    
    To further test theory, if you have a mechanical fuel pump it will have a
    vent hole to release pressure if you listen to this or cover with a finger
    tip you will find it venting. Usually you can hear it at tick-over as a
    sort of whistle but depends how bad filter is.
    
    How do I know this I spent a week with the same fault on a Mazda
    recently. 
    
    chuck... 
     
961.6Intermittent Flow Meter.GIDDAY::HOOPERCustomer Service (Hardware), SydneyFri Feb 16 1990 00:5011
                           <Electrical Connection>
     
    A similar sort of thing was happening to my Commodore (3 litre EFI), and
    eventually I cured it by just removing and replacing ('reseating'), the
    electrical connector at the 'air mass flow meter'. This is the
    apparatus which meters the amount of air flowing into the engine,
    and it is situated just after the air filter, flow-wise. I suspect that
    there was a bad connection at this connector. Several garages were
    unable to fix the fault, mainly I suspect, because I was the only
    person who actually observed the problem, it being so intermittent.
    Regards, Ray.
961.7Could be water in the fuelGIDDAY::GILLINGSa crucible of informative mistakesFri Feb 16 1990 10:0119
    I agree with .1, first check the fuel filter. It is possible that you've got
  some water in the fuel tank which is being trapped in the filter. This tends
  to be intermittent because the filter will trap the water and then release it
  in a globule. Once the glob has gone through (cough, splutter, hop) it takes
  a while to fill the filter up again. It may also be due to the design of the
  fuel tank and location of the outlet. The water may sit below the outlet and
  only get into the system when you turn a corner quickly or go up or down a
  hill of a certain gradient. You may not notice any cause/effect because it
  takes time for the water to reach the engine. To confirm this diagnosis,
  remove the filter and empty its contents into a jar. If there's lots of
  water in it you may want to get your tank cleaned out.
    Some years ago I bought a new Suzuki Swift. The FIRST TIME I filled it
  I managed to get a petrol pump which had just been "cleaned". The result was
  a 50-50 mix of petrol and water. The car would run for about 2km before
  exhibiting the same symptoms as .0. I would then have to empty the filter
  and start again. I managed to get the cost of a new tank of fuel having the
  tank cleaned out of the service station (after much hassling around).
						John Gillings, Sydney CSC
						
961.8Check the fuel!CURRNT::PREECEAtonal apples and amplified heat...Fri Feb 16 1990 13:248
     Look out for water in the fuel !
    
    I used to have an SRi of the same vintage, and had to have the
    injectors replaced after I got a load of wet petrol.  They went
    rusty ! (No, I didn't believe it either, but that's what the man
    said)
    
    Ian
961.9Known problem ?VULCAN::BOPS_RICHYou never give me your money, ...Fri Feb 16 1990 13:377
    I seem to remember that early CDi's (and perhaps SRi's) did suffer
    from an intermittant fuel injection problem exactly as yours does.
    (Sudden loss of power). Vauxhall garage should know - try ringing
    one, they might be able to tell you whats wrong and quote you a
    price !!
    
    Ric
961.10Food for thoughtSHAPES::DOUGLASSPCourse you don't get wafers !Fri Feb 16 1990 19:3910
    Thanks for all your suggestions.  I'll be checking them out on Sunday
    and let you know.
    
    Rich - I had spoken to several Vauxhall dealers before I posted the
    Base note.  They all suggested the electronic injection system was
    playing up and I should check the connectors all round to see if any
    were loose or corroded etc   I'll be looking at those last of all if
    the other ideas turn nothing up.
    
    Paul  
961.11The answerSHAPES::DOUGLASSPHowling at the moonTue Feb 27 1990 13:4115
    Well now ...   I know it's been a little more than a week but I wanted
    to wait and see if the problem recurred.
    
    I didn't get to check the fuel filter last weekend.  All I did was
    break the airflow meter connector, blew into it, dusted it and put it back
    together again.   Voila !
    
    After 10 days without the problem happening again, I am cautiously
    optimistic !   If it does start again, I'll check all the other things
    suggested here but until then .. fingers crosssed.
    
    Thanks for all your thoughts. 
    
    	Paul.