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Title:Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD
Notice:It's just a Box of Rain
Moderator:RDVAX::LEVY::DEBESS
Created:Thu Jan 03 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:580
Total number of notes:60238

344.0. "Word Contest (Fabulous Prize!)" by STUDIO::IDE (Can't this wait 'til I'm old?) Thu Apr 22 1993 14:20

One of the biggest drawbacks of the English language is that there is no word
to distinguish heat-hot and spicy-hot foods.  How many times have you held in
inane conversation like this one?

	"Boy, this food is hot!"
	"Do you mean hot hot or spicy hot?"
	"Heat hot."

"Spicy" alone doesn't do the trick.  I had rosemary chicken last night, which
was very spicy, but not hot-spicy.  Conversely, "bland" seems adequate in both
cases.  Obviously "hot" alone doesn't fill this need, for its opposite, "cold,"
would never be used to describe the lack of hot-spiciness.

As often hot-spicy ethnic foods become more popular, this problem has worsened. 
The time has come to introduce a new word into the language.

Therefore, I'm running a contest to coin the new word.  It's crucial that the
winning word be used by all of us to quickly get it on the chili-burned lips of
the population at large.  The winner will receive a copy of the first edition
of "The American Heritage Dictionary" (office ed.) which contains the word.

An obvious starting point would be to find an appropriate word in another
language and assimilate it into English.  The other tack is to use your
imagination and coin a new word.

May the best word win!

Jamie

PS - The next word contest will be much more difficult: coin a word which
describe the stench of ten thousand sweat and patchouli soaked Deadheads caught
in a rainstorm outside Madison Square Garden.
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344.1CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindThu Apr 22 1993 14:399
Well spanish provides all ya need, and if you're american and don't 
understand the meaning of these words and don't feel comfortable using them 
in conversation, then well, your mastery of american english isn't all that 
great.  Lets face it, English isn't the only language there is out there...

Caliente.

Picante.
344.2STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Thu Apr 22 1993 15:096
    Translate, please.
    
    "Picante" is out, people will say "Your twice cooked pork tastes like
    taco sauce?"  :-)
    
    Jamie
344.3Jamaican patoisTRACTR::MACINTYREThu Apr 22 1993 15:135
    "Man, they really jerked up this chicken"
    
    "How much jerk did you put in this stuff?"
    
    
344.411SRUS::MARKWaltzing with BearsThu Apr 22 1993 15:223
	What's wrong with the English word "Piquant"?

Mark
344.5wowNAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Apr 22 1993 15:238
    Fabulous prize?  A Dictionary?
    
    Be still, my beating heart!
    
    ;-)
    
    tim
    
344.6keep those words comingSTUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Thu Apr 22 1993 15:3621
    re .-1
    
    Hey, this is a low budget contest.  :-)
    
    
    re:        <<< Note 344.4 by 11SRUS::MARK "Waltzing with Bears" >>>

	>What's wrong with the English word "Piquant"?

    I don't think it has the right connotation, judging by my lousy desk
    dictionary*.  Besides, it's not macho enough, and I want a word that
    not only connotates that the food is hot, but implies that the eater is
    macho for eating something that hot.
    
    Jamie
    
    *yep, the lousy desk dictionary is the same one offered as the fabulous
    prize.  Because, the word has truly made it when it's in this
    dictionary.  :-)

    
344.7CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindThu Apr 22 1993 16:064
What's the Yiddish word for it? 

You can bet _that_ has the requisite onomatopoeticness
344.8BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Thu Apr 22 1993 16:103
    wha?
    
    :), d
344.9GNPIKE::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Apr 22 1993 17:388
	Two potentials from the DEC-issued "Rogets II The New Thesuarus":

	fiery
	pyretic 

	Come to think of it, Pyretic Pork has a nice ring to it ;-)

	Ken
344.10TRETOP::SAMILJANThu Apr 22 1993 18:036
    
    Re: .9
    I like both Ken's suggestions of "fiery" and "pyretic" but I think the
    Yiddish is sufficient: "Oy!"
    
    Bud
344.11CAADC::BABCOCKThu Apr 22 1993 18:084
    BITCHIN
    
    as in Bitchin pork
    
344.12ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Thu Apr 22 1993 18:191
    i think i like "pyretic"  :^)
344.13tasteless replyCSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindThu Apr 22 1993 18:457
>    i think i like "pyretic"  :^)

Yabbut, so did David Koresh...


:-)
344.14profigliano!SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Apr 22 1993 19:144
    Hmmm, how about 'zorch' for a base word?  
    
    PeterT
    
344.15Pass the crushed red pepper, please.TRETOP::SAMILJANThu Apr 22 1993 19:234
    I've always been fond of the Italian term "fra diavlo" (spelling?) for 
    spicy dishes, as in Lobster Fra Diavlo.
    
    Bud
344.16keep 'em comingSTUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Fri Apr 23 1993 12:0510
    My real dictionary at home defines "pyretic" as relating to a fever, or
    feverish condition.  That means our definition would be relegated to a
    secondary definition, at least until it really caught on.  I'm not
    ruling it out, but I think we can do better.
    
    What I'm looking for is something that would sound at home in both a
    Texas barbeque pit and a posh downtown Thai restuarant.  Hmmm, maybe
    "Whoooeeee -- these ribs is py-retic!" would work.  :-)
    
    Jamie
344.17STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Fri Apr 23 1993 12:089
    re .1 & .4
    
    It strikes me that "picante" and "piquant" might have the same Romantic
    root.  Anyone know what it would be?
    
    I still need a definition for "caliente," the only Spanish I know is
    "si."  Spanish wasn't offered at my high school.
    
    Jamie
344.18CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindFri Apr 23 1993 13:134
Caliente means hot tempurature and Picante means hot spicy. Anyone who 
watched Speedy Gonzales on the Bugs Bunny/Road Runner show should know 
this...
344.19Muy calienteTRETOP::SAMILJANFri Apr 23 1993 13:2013
    re .17
    
    Caliente means "hot." I've heard it used to refer to weather, spicy
    food, heated food, or just plain "heat" in general (even as in the kind
    pitches Roger Clemens throws).  
    
    I think it's used similarly to the way we use the word "hot," including
    all the confusion of multiple meanings.  But I think it works well for 
    adapting to the English language for specifically referring to spicy
    food.
    
    
    Bud
344.20hhhaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Fri Apr 23 1993 13:3611
    
    i think the word should be "haaAAAAaaa" (syour spelling may vary)...
    
    to learn proper pronounciation, take a really hot piece of cheese
    pizza, and bit down hard...  then try to talk (specifically, try to say
    "hot")...  the resulting noise will be both entertaining, and quite
    indicative of the experience...  preliminary field tests indicate
    that it understanding of this phenomenon is already somehwat
    universal...          :^)
    
    					da ve 
344.21I like that one...BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Fri Apr 23 1993 13:433
    8^)....good one da ve...
    
    :), danielle
344.22GNPIKE::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Apr 23 1993 15:4117
Let's get to some roots.

The greek for fire is "pur".   So using that for a root to 
invent a word may work.

Can't find the latin for fire.  But under "incinerate", there's the latin 
root "incinerare".  Incinerate means "to consume by burning".   All we 
need to do is get a word that means "to burn by consuming", sort of a 
reversal of the word incinerate, right ?   ;-)

etarenicni doesn't cut it.   Doesn't have a nice ring to it at all ;-)

Any other ideas ?

Ken


344.23NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyFri Apr 23 1993 17:045
Fiery, zesty, tangy?

:^)

- dc
344.24nuther oneSUBPAC::MAGGARDHave YOU changed your logo lately???Fri Apr 23 1993 21:564

    ...zippy...
    
344.25?NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Apr 23 1993 22:552
    frastic.
    
344.26VOYAGR::SAMPSONDriven by the windFri Apr 23 1993 23:482
    That sounds like an ice cream flavor
    
344.27STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Mon Apr 26 1993 18:0814
    I gave "pyretic" a test run and it didn't go well.  I'm holding out for
    a better word.
    
    How do they say it in Thai, Indian, etc.  There's probably a thousand
    dialects but forgive me, I'm an ugly American.
    
    In other food news, I had the misfortune to try a tofu pup.  I like
    veggie food.  I could change my carnivorous ways and not miss meat one
    bit.  But this tofu pup was the most tasteless, rubbery, hunk of bean
    curd that has ever had the misfortune to pass my lips.  And the saddest
    part is that tofu pups are designed to resemble meat, so its sole
    purpose is to feed vegetarians whose hearts long for flesh.
    
    Jamie
344.28this space is getting hotGNPIKE::HANNANBeyond description...Mon Apr 26 1993 18:1822
re:       <<< Note 344.27 by STUDIO::IDE "Can't this wait 'til I'm old?" >>>

>    I gave "pyretic" a test run and it didn't go well.  I'm holding out for
>    a better word.
    
Dammit!  And I was looking forward to that dictionary ;-)

>    How do they say it in Thai, Indian, etc.  

At the Thai restaurant in Milbury (before it went under :-/) the Thai host
knew I liked chilis.  The first thing out of his mouth every time would be
the number of stars he rated their fresh chili peppers.  The time of the 
10 star (he said proudly) visit was truly memorable and one I won't forget. 
At the end of the meal that owner came over and gave us a plate of lichee 
fruit on the house "I see you on fire!" =:-O

Hey, how about chili ?  "Man, that seafood pad rik was _chili_!"

Has a nice ring to it, though there's the problem of how to categorize
chili (as in con carne).   Chili chili or just plan chili.  ;-)

Ken
344.29How about...NECSC::LEVYDust off those rusty stringsMon Apr 26 1993 18:252
Tonguetinabulating (tongue-tin-ab-u-lat-ing) - a ringing sensation of the oral
	sense organs brought about by ingesting ridiculous vegetables. :-)
344.30in albanianGIAMEM::DPHILBRICKMon Apr 26 1993 19:142
    in the albanian language it's said to be "djegur" refering to spicy
    hot. 
344.31SUBPAC::MAGGARDHave YOU changed your logo lately???Mon Apr 26 1993 19:198
> "djegur" refering to spicy hot. 


...that sounds too much like the stuff that put me away on Saturday night...



- lampshade
344.32so, how does this relate to the Dead?ROCK::CAMPR::FROMMGUMBO!!!Mon Apr 26 1993 19:2411
>    BITCHIN

i kind of like this one

or perhaps:

WICKED
YOWZA
TONGUESPASTIC

- rich
344.33all french. Tommorow: Russian...CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindMon Apr 26 1993 19:328
344.34GNPIKE::HANNANBeyond description...Mon Apr 26 1993 19:5513
>                   -< so, how does this relate to the Dead? >-

When Jerry says in Althea:

	"this space is getting hot"

it's not clear whether he's referring to a spicy-hot or a heat-hot.

Hence, the quest for clarification. 

;-)

Ken
344.35MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereMon Apr 26 1993 20:0411
>    curd that has ever had the misfortune to pass my lips.  And the saddest
>    part is that tofu pups are designed to resemble meat, so its sole
>    purpose is to feed vegetarians whose hearts long for flesh.
    
	hardly, it's sole purpose is to allow vegetarians to socialize at
	BBQ's so they neednt crawl into a corner because of their diet.
	and besides, if they aren't OVERCOOKED tofu pups tend to be better
	than hotdogs!  Just MHO of course.



344.36Meat?!? We don't need no steenkin meat!DRINKS::WEISSBeer -- It does a body good.Mon Apr 26 1993 20:1611
344.37no thank you...ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Mon Apr 26 1993 20:3510
    i've never had a tofu pup, so i can't really say...  HOWEVER, if they
    are anything like not dogs, all i can say is:
    
    	FEH!  pppppppplllllltttttuiiiiiiiii!  yrrrrechhhhhhh!!!
    
    				
    
    give me my tempeh burgers pleeez...
    
    					da ve
344.38MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereMon Apr 26 1993 20:396

to each his own.  Personally tofu pups and not dogs make bbqing easier and
I thoroughly dislike tempah burgers.


344.39Grilla'sTRACTR::MACINTYRETue Apr 27 1993 11:415
    Try Grilla's rather than tempah burgers.  Even I, a confirmed meat,
    bird and fish eater, likes them.
    
    Marv
    
344.40Sick sick sick...SALES::GKELLERKeep passing the open windowsThu Apr 29 1993 14:577
Warning Sick humor follows...

Geoff

Spicy hot - Koresh:-)

chicken koresh:-)
344.418-)SUBPAC::MAGGARDHave YOU changed your logo lately???Thu Apr 29 1993 16:1010
...and on that note...


"Man this food is WACO!"

"Please pass that thar WACO beef, Maw."                
                       
  
- Mr. Original
344.42CASDOC::ROGERSMake it so...Thu Apr 29 1993 16:572
    
    WACO as an acronym:   Wicked Awesome CookOut....
344.43now was it spicyhot or hothot in Waco?LANDO::HAPGOODThu Apr 29 1993 19:5913
waco....

from "we ain't coming out" to "we all cooked out" to what a 
"Wicked Awesome CookOut" it was indeed.

yea,  I've got a sick sense of humor too.
bob

just to keep this note from digressing any further I'll add that I always
say something like "spicyhot" or "hothot"...you can always pretend they are
one word.  and the guy in .-1 eats thai food that'll make you guzzle a total
strangers water.... :)

344.44VXTST6::BOURDESSThu Apr 29 1993 20:018
    Hey, did everybody hear who finally quit smoking?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    David Koresh! :-)
344.45sounds good today too :^)SALEM::BURNShow's 'bout a war on violence!Tue May 04 1993 15:537
    While eating a rather spicy-hot salsa last nite I came up what I
    thought might be a fitting word. 
    
           how does ziphen strike you? like this schtuph is rather
    ziphen! Yeah, it does have a bit of ziph to it!!!
    
    Andy
344.46STUDIO::IDEMy mind's lost in a household fog.Tue Mar 29 1994 17:499
    I've been using "pyretic," but it doesn't seem to be catching on the
    way I'd hoped.  But, I haven't had to say "hothot" in a year or so, and
    that's something.
    
    Al Gore seemed to get "information superhighway" into the vernacular
    pretty quickly.  I think I'll write him a letter and ask if he'll
    incorporate "pyretic" into a speech.
    
    Jamie