Conference rdvax::grateful

I love "So Many Roads."  It reminds me of some of the songs that Jerry does
with JGB.  I think it's going to work out to be a classic along the lines of
"Morning Dew" ... slow, emotional, building up to a powerful end ... with
space for a nice guitar solo or two.

Haven't heard the others yet ....

                                                                     
     Corina- not much to it lyric wise, but it has a funky beat...
             it's a fun tune, but they should jam a little more on it,
             Jerry should do a little more with the lead, he just kinda
             gets some feedback and sustains it, never really wails.
    
    So Many Roads- a lot of people think it's sort of a cross between
                  "Black Muddy River" and "SOTM", and think Jerry is
                   getting trapped into this "formula" of writing these
                   slow songs.....it's alright with me, I love those
                   Jerry ballad type songs, it gives him a chance to
                   really build on his solo's, not to mention that Robert
                   Hunter is Great! at writing these types of songs.
    
    Wave to the Wind- sort of jazzy, similar to "Eyes", I couldn't make
                   much out of the lyrics...it sounds like it's difficult
                   for Phil to sing, he ends up mumbling sometimes just
                   because the song is so fast. It's definetly got jamming
                   potential.
    
    Long, Long Way- it sounds odd at first hearing Vince sing,.. not a bad
                   song, it kinda grows on ya', I found myself humming it
                   after only hearing it once.
    
    
     All the songs still need some debugging here and there, I'm curious
    to see how long they keep playing them, and which ones they keep. 
                     

    
    I think the best one is Long, Long, Long.....Way to go Home (the Vince
    one).
    
    Nice bluesy touch, with a LOT of room for Jerry to take off in.
    
    

    Yes I reviewed the 2nd set of 2-24-92 and out of the 4 tunes Vince's
    was the one I liked best, then Phil's, Jerry's and Bob's (a studio tune)
    
    
    Chris

I heard two of the new ones (that I remember) at the Friday night Nassau
show:

- Long Long Long Way

	Very cool.  It is about time they let Vinny sign!  He has some
	great lung ... The boyz should consider letting Vinny sing
	Lovelight - or, at least have Vinny help with lovelight by
	singed altenating lyrics.  Anyways, the song rocked very
	nice... enjoyed it.

- Wave to the Wind

	Don't like it at all.  Just doesn't fit it that well, I think.
	Perhaps over time I will change this opinion....

RE:      <<< Note 246.5 by ZENDIA::FERGUSON "Snapping point clock: 11:57" >>>

>	Very cool.  It is about time they let Vinny sign!  He has some


   Wow!  He not only sings, plays keyboards, but he does interpretations for the
   hearing impaired?  





  :^)  Jum

    
    Corina - Much better than I expected it to be. It has a slow,funky,
           almost reggae kind of groove to it. When they played it on 
           wednesday (3-18), it seemed very solid as if they had been
           playing it for years.
    
    Wave to the Wind - I'd have to agree with the earlier replies, this
           one doesn't fit. It's way too fast for Phil to sing and the
           jamming sections didn't seem to go anywhere. Maybe it will
           improve over time.
    
    
    

    Well, I saw each of them twice (I think) between Landover
    and Nassau, here's my humble opinion...
    
    Corina - like the beat, real good potential but the part I
    	     didn't like was the "Coriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiina"
             Don't know why, maybe because I had a preconceived
             notion from what I heard from the Oakland shows.
    	     kinda reminded me of "Puriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiina" chow chow chow! 
             :)
    
    Long Long Long Way Home -  I liked this one alot, especially the
             2nd time around, Vince seems to enjoy his shot at the
    	     mic!  
    
    So Many Roads -  Another good one for me.  I agree that it is
    	     typical Jerry (whatever that means!) but that's just
             fine with me.
    
    Wave to the Wind - Well, this one just doesn't quiet do it for 
             me.  Mostly because I couldn't understand a thing 
             Phil was saying except "Wave to the..." about a million
    	     times over.  In fact the 1st time I heard it I thought
             he was say "Do the Wave"...??!  :}  A few people around
             me were dancing like fish - very humorous!  
    
    
    Looking forward to getting some tapes and be better equiped to
    form an opinion though.  It definately was nice to hear some
    new material.
    
    There's my $.02!
    
    /MJ 
           
    
    

    Interesting, a lot of the people I spoke to think the jam in
    "Wave to the Wind" sounds a *lot* like the jazzy jam in "Unbroken
    Chain" and they seem to think the song can really go somewhere
    because of it. But most people in here think exactly the opposite.
    I'll have to hear this one for myself, I guess.

    I think Wave to the Wind has a lot of really twisted jamming potential.
    
    I like Corina pretty well, and it has potential as well,
    
    Long-long-long is really good and should get even better.
    
    So many roads is another slowdown song.  At least it should help
    them not wear out the other ones as much.

    from tapes I just recieved yesterday, I like Corina the least of
    all...in fact I thought it was rather lame, in fact I said to Patty
    one time " this sucks!"
    The rest I liked and see potential in. 
                                           rfb

    
    Hey Now,
    
    	I think 'Corina' is Bob's answer to all the critics who say that
    his songs are too angular and have too many weird chord changes. 
    Here's a song that has *no* chord changes! (Or pratically none:-)
    I'll take Leadbelly's version any day.
    
    
    	'Wave to the Wind' has gotten *much* better, but I'm not sure
    exactly what that means.  Everyone in the band seems to know the song
    by now.  The first few times it was...um...pretty bad.
    
    
    	'Long.... Way to Go Home' was excellent to begin with.  It was
    rockin' in Oakland even before the house opened.  I think it's a fine
    addition.
    
    
    	Jerry's new tune is a Jerry tune.  Nice rick and roll with the
    emphasis on the roll.
    
    
    /Joel
    
    ps. ;=)

	Joel!  Welcome Back!

	Debess

    Hey Joel!  You were gone and now you're not!
    
    Welcome again for the first time
    
    carol

    i'll jump on the welcome wagon too!!!  :^)
    
    		welcome back!
    
    					da ve

    Rilly! Is that the /Joel Finkel?
    
    Howdy and welcome back,..
    
    'scuse the naivety,.. but do I read correctly that the song that
    most are calling "Corina" is actually a cover? All this time I was
    thinking it was a Bob original,..
    
    Anyway, Joel,. if it is a cover, than that criticism of Bobby tunes
    still holds (that is if it held in the first place,.. subject for
    debate obviously, but FWIW,. I see why people say that). The reason
    that the criticsim would still hold is that it should be applied to
    songs Bob wrote,... not just "covered". Its the songs he writes
    (like Victim) that (rightfully) get the "angular" criticism...
    
    								/

    Hey Now,
    
    	Howdy thar!  Thanks for your notes.  Yes, I'm back as a consultant 
    for a couple months. Then I'll be gone again :-(  
    
    	But then I may be back again :-)  
    
    	I've really missed this conference and all the wonderful people
    herein!  It's *really* nice to be back.
    
    	As for Corina...the version I know is by Leadbelly (I *think*). 
    Bob's version is a *complete* reworking of it; he changed it from a
    country blues (with melody) to a ...well... really slow shuffle with
    almost no melody.  At the Mardi Gras show last month they played it
    during the second set, coming out if AIKO, if my memory serves me.  It
    worked okay then.  But the other night in Detroit they closed the first
    set with it...not the place for it IMHO.
    
    	Thanks again for the warm welcome!
    
    /Joel

Welcome back Joel!

	Fog,_whose_progressive_awakening_was_due_in_part_to_Joel_(rilly!)

:-)

    
    I've also have the song "Corina" on a Mississippi John Hurt album. 
    I'll check the sognwriter's name.
    
    Hogan

    I don't think the mentioned Corinas are the same as Bobby's ...could be
    wrong...usually am...
                                     rfb

Not sure if this was mentioned before, but

Dylan on Freewheelin' Bob has a song called Corina too.. But havin not heard 
Weir's version, i jus don't know....

Glenn

    From the Well, and David Gans
    ----------------------------------------------------------
   2/23/92 - Oakland
   
   Hell in a Bucket, Peggy-O, Walkin' Blues, Ramble On Rose, 
   It's a Long Long Way Back Home*, BT Wind, Corina**
    
   China->Rider, Playin'->Terrapin->jam->percussion w/ Hamza El Din->
   Space->Miracle->Stella Blue->Tossin' Bob->NFA
   
   Box Of Phil
   
   *  -  "Long Way Home" is Welnick-Bralove-Hunter, sung by Vince
   **  - "Corina" is Hart-Weir-Hunter, sung by Weir
   
   (source:  posting by Gans)

    well then,.. the "angular" criticism of Bobby can now be met with tapes
    of Corina then? Do those of you who have heard the tune agree that its
    more of a "straight forward",,, sort of atypical for Bobby?
    
    Now my curiousity is really up. I wonder if those six Mystery
    tapes I just delivered for Jim to Jum via / and tom had any
    Corina's on them,...
    
    	Hmm,
    
    							/
    

    
    Welcome back, Joel!! :-)
    
    

RE:     <<< Note 246.23 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
                     -< Corina,... not typical Weir then? >-

       
   > Now my curiousity is really up. I wonder if those six Mystery
   > tapes I just delivered for Jim to Jum via / and tom had any
   > Corina's on them,...
    
    
    
    Nope..those are from last summer at Shoreline...but thanks for being the
    middle person :^)





 Jum    

I gave the new tunes a listen last night, and after one listen I like them.  
There seems to be a lot of room for growth, but they all have a solid 
foundation.  Can't wait to hear what the boys do with them over time.

Quick reviews (bear in mind I really have no idea what I'm talking about 
musically speaking and these are just my impressions):

I expected a different sound from Vince's voice after hearing his backing 
vocals and his verses here and there in Maggie's and The Weight.  I like Long 
Long Long Long Long Long....Long Way Home a lot though, nice blues tune.

Wave to the Wind reminds me of Eyez, but it is different enough to be 
intersting (plus it a Phil tune!!).  I can see the comparison to Unbroken Chain 
that someone else made as well.  Phil seems to be rushing through the vocals 
and needs to be more comfortable with it, then it will really take off IMO.

So Many Roads - this is the Jerry we all know and love!  8^)  The sound and 
feel of this song fits well into Jerry repitoire, but I need a few more listens 
to get to know the lyrics.  A very nice song.

Corina seems a little flat, but with lots of room for growth.  I'll give this 
one some time before I really decide how much I like it.

Remember, your milage will vary!

Scott

	to respond to my own question - I have finally heard
	the new songs this weekend, thanks Don, and I was
	listening again to a tape with a couple of them
	on it on the way in this morning...

	although Vince's new song wasn't on the tape I listened
	to today, out of the four, this is my favorite.  
	Can't comment more on it now cause it's been a few
	days since I heard it - but I know I thought it was great.

	the two I listened to today were So Many Roads and
	Wave to the Wind.

	My, Jerry is getting more and more soulful the older
	he gets, isn't he? ;-)  Good solid song but I hope
	that he still has some rockin' music left in him for
	the future...

	I didn't like Wave to the Wind when I first heard it
	but upon listening to it some more I guess what makes
	the song hard for me to enjoy is Phil.  He seems to 
	be struggling getting all the words out - too many
	words or something.  The music is interesting but
	the vocals take away from it.

	Can't remember what I think of Corina.

	Debess

    yes,.. Debess,. the old man is waxing philosophical/soulful ...
    
    I suppose it eventually happens to all the 'rockers' (except Keith
    Richards and Mick Jagger of course who haven't finished puberty yet
    :-) :-)
    
    Seriously though,.. I don't know about 'rock and roll' anymore,. I
    think the best daze of Jerry playing Rock and rol are over,..
    But it does seem that some fine days of soulful blues and jazz
    are still left,.. and they even get more... poignant? or meaningful?
    or 'heavier' or whatever,.. Jerry really can still play from the heart
    in these veins which suits me fine :-)
    
    It is nice to hear him kick out some rock and roll still anyway too,.
    even if his heart doesn't seem to be that into it,.. to me anyway.
    Foer rock I think he just pits his brain on autopilot and sort
    of 'chekcs out' for a tune or two,...
    
    								/
    
    PS Oh yeah,. if we need a rock star in this band,. we still have Bobby!
    

    >> Jerry really can still play from the heart
    >> in these veins which suits me fine :-)
    
    Perhaps he's got an arterial motive ... ;^)
    
    ... Bobbb
    

    Wow,.. I gotta be careful how I chose my words,.. 'specially
    in this file! ...
    
    I'm a punster and I didn't even try..
    
    Phyllis,. be gentle with me,.. 
    
    				:-)
    
    								/
    

    / made an unintentional pun??  i think i'm have a coronary! :^)
    
    				da ve

	geez - try to have a conversation about, of ALL things,
	the Grateful Dead, and even THAT gets turned into a binge
	on puns ;-)

	back to Jerry - yeah, /, I agree that this seems to be
	the direction he has been headed for quite awhile, definately
	these slow tunes are where you can feel his soul nowadays.  
	I don't think this "slowing down" necessarily has to come with age, 
	but I think it comes from the experiences that fill his life
	and how he is dealing with it.  He has said that he sees his
	music much as a painter sees the colors of his painting.  I
	wish I could do that too ;-), but on a different level, I CAN
	"see" the colors that these more reflective songs paint.
	I can definately relate to what he's saying and "painting"
	these days - but I'm feeling pretty low these days and I
	hope to snap out of it and therefore I project myself onto
	him and hope that he too can snap out of it.  Maybe this
	whole thing just simply is my projection, in which case,
	NEVERMIND!

	As long as the Grateful Dead can still take me into space
	with their music, I'll be there.  That's what I love about
	it, no matter what tempo...
	
    
>    PS Oh yeah,. if we need a rock star in this band,. we still have Bobby!

	All I can say is, Thank God for that!!!! ;-) ;-) ;-)
	
	Debess