Conference rdvax::grateful

with a platform like that how can he loose???

Hey ... if I join his campaign now do I get a BIG button with his face on it?
I'd really like one of those you know, nevermind why ... I'd just like one
that's all.

;^)

Go Jim !!!


da ve, you have to age a bit more then i'll vote for you (unless you change
the rules)...

Hey, how about:

	Jim Henderson, Prez
	Da ve West, Vise Prez   ???


Slogan:	
		" Beards and long hair for all ...

			2 fine ingredients to have a ball "


doens't make sense ... just rhymes..... :-)

    
    Lets see.... he'll need slogans....
    How about... 
    
           'vote for Jim and Miss Piggy won't dance on your face'

 Jim would promise to bring back ALF. ;-)

But I wouldn't hold that against him. 8-)

Shawn

    re:  slogan

    Two pots in every chicken...

    Don

  Geeze, one goes on vacation and look what happens...tell ya what...lets
have a 3day party on a train across this great country of ours during which
time we'll explore the feasibility of my candidacy (and financial contributions
in support of same), then on the way back we'll make a few speeches in some
of the great little towns the train stops in.  If nothing else we'll have  
a heck of a time!





 Jim forming an exploratory committee (and accepting donations) :^)

    "Sprout into the 90's with Henderson"
    
    this has been and unpaid political announcement from the citizens
    for Henderson committeeeeeeeeeeee.
    
    rich

       <<< Note 225.7 by WFOV11::BUTZE "Quick beat of an icy heart..." >>>

    "Sprout into the 90's with Henderson"
    

OH GAWD RICH!

I'M GAGGING!!!

:) :)
bob

RE:       <<< Note 225.7 by WFOV11::BUTZE "Quick beat of an icy heart..." >>>

   > "Sprout into the 90's with Henderson"
    

     I like it...Rich gets the Chief of Staff job :^)


    

 Jim not officially a candidate but forming an exploratory committee which will
 carefully review the issues facing this land of ours and equally carefully 
 consider their recommendations before making a formal announcement.

    Gee... he sounds like Mario Cuomo already. :-)

    >> Rich gets the Chief of Staff job :^)
    
    I can tell you're new at this ... it usually goes "Chief of Staff gets
    rich job" ... ;^)
    
    ... Bobbb
    

     
    
     Jim, I'll be willing to donate my time and southern upbringing but
    i want.....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    The drug czar job when your elected!
    
    
    Divide Dave
    

    We'll be stormin barns and cow tippin in New Hampshire ...so
    watch out.  Jim you can kiss all the babys.....
    
    chief reeky
    

RE:      <<< Note 225.13 by WFOV11::BUTZE "Quick beat of an icy heart..." >>>
                -< Can "Day Job" be our campaign theme song??? >-

   > We'll be stormin barns and cow tippin in New Hampshire ...so
   > watch out.  Jim you can kiss all the babys.....
    

     There you go...then we can go home and watch ourselves on C-SPAN :^)


     I'll be up in Manchester tonight for my guitar lesson...maybe I'll walk 
     the streets and shake a few hands and see if there's any interest in my
     campaign.



     Jim




    

     
    
    
    
    
>    The drug czar job when your elected!
    
    
      Hmmmm....we may need one of those in our adminstration :^)
    

   


 Jim    

    ....after all it is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong campaign trail..
    and while on any trail one does need oat bran to keep him/her "regular"
    
    ahhh the many tasks 
    
    
    rich

I believe the Drug Czar should have an assistant.  Who should do the job?

Important jobs must be filled first!


:-)

re:   <<< Note 225.17 by ZENDIA::FERGUSON "Guinness gives you strength" >>>


>   I believe the Drug Czar should have an assistant.  Who should do the job?

What are the qualifications?  Nimble fingers of just the right amount of
stickiness?  If so, I volunteer!

Don

    
    Since I already decided that I'm going to be the Drug Czar, I belive
    that i should interview any and all applicantes, so if any interested
    parties will send me a sample er resume of past experiences i will try
    er judge them equally and make a decision. 
    Of course i will have to include Jim in this process so be sure to send
    vaste quantities er copies of above mentioned samples/resume.
    
    
    
    Divide Dave
    
      . .
       ,
     \___/
    

    Do you prefer these resume's on Zig Zag or Easy Wider typing paper? 

    :-)

    Don_who's_personal_name_just_took_on_a_whole_different_meaning

    
    club.
    

    Well... you've got my vote, guys. :-)

 My esteemed domestic affairs advisor reminds me that in my administration
(should I choose to run) we will not waste the taxpayer's money on a
war on drugs, thus we have no need for a drug czar.  The funds expended for
this foolishness will be better spent on education and other more pressing
domestic issues.


So, Mr Smith, your resignation is cheerfully accepted :^)








Jim

    
    Who MR. Henderson said anything about a war on drugs!
    
    And who the H#ll is this domestic affairs advisor to jump ahead of
    himself and advise you that there would be a war on drugs, the public
    must be protected from bad drugs, so i will not cheerfully withdraw or
    resign.
    
    
    Divide Dave
    

We need the drug Czar to make sure prices stay reasonable, etc!

:-|

    .23
    
    Oh... gee, I thought the Drug Czar was in charge of distribution. :-)
    
    Good thing I'm apolitical, huh? :-)

    As chief-of-staff pro temp...use your own digression...which we are all
    quite good at
    
    ricardo

Well, folks, in light of Mr Clinton's alleged troubles vis a vis his non service
in the Armed Forces, I must confess, that I too did not serve.  Yes, my defer-
ment expired in 1971, and a friend engineered a spot  for me in the National
Guard, and a week before I was to swear in the draft lottery came along and 
well, I got #322 (higher than Mr Clinton!), and said F___ the National Guard
and got out.  

So, does that mean I'm disqualified?




Jum

    got my vote !

    I had a student deferment then when they announced the lottery 
    I dropped mine.......drew 315....
    
    rich

    I registered fro the draft in 1980 but they never called me, and I've
    moved many times and never sent them a change of address.  Can I be
    vice prez?
    
    Scott
    

    I failed to even register up until i was close to 20. My dad "tricked" me
    into registering by showing up at my house and saying "wanna go to the
    post office with me?" "sure Dad." and he took me to the Selective
    Service Office IN the Post Office in Phx Az. When I realized where I
    was I looked at Dad and said "You S^& of a B^%$!" his reply..."well
    you're here , might as well." (Little did I know that  song title would
    appear in my then distant future). The lady behind the counter asked
    where I'd been when I gave my age. I said "I forgot". Got my card and
    went home, said see ya to dad,, and had a card burnin party! 
    
    My dad spent close to 30 years in the Air Force, the 60's and 70's were
    real hard on his perception of America. A couple of tours of Viet Nam
    turned him around. He did NOT want me going, but was torn between the
    love for his family and the love for his country. Thank God I never had
    to really confront that issue, for even though draft registration 
    was still active, no one was being sent over there by then. (Prob why
    they hadn't come looking for me at that time)   
                                                 rfb

I registered when I turned 18, in October 1972.  The first year you were 1-H, and
when you turned 19 you got 1-A.  My lottery number was 10, if I recall correctly.
I had a student deferment until June of '74 when I dropped out (the first time),
so that would have made me 1-A, but they stopped drafting people in late '73 or
early '74.

I had decided that I was serious about consciencious objection, but went along 
with the legal requirements to register.  Instead of refusing to do the paperwork,
I looked up McGill University, and the University of Toronto, just in case. ;-)

tim

    
    	
    Avoiding the draft didn't hurt Dan Quayle at all, Jim,
    why should you worry about it?
    
    Personally, I started to learn French, so I could feel at home in
    Montreal, but, as happened to so many others, I got a 42 in the lottery
    (way before Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy), but Nixonx ended the
    draft.
    
    

    Well, Jim, tell us.....
    
    who is the cheap floozie you've been hiding for 12 years???
    
    If ya say you're like Clinton.....gotta have a floozie.
    
    Hope for your sake she's cute.
    
    --CJ--
    

RE:                     <<< Note 225.35 by TUNER::SCHIRALDI >>>
                        -< Wine, women and draft cards >-

       
   > who is the cheap floozie you've been hiding for 12 years???
    

     She ain't cheap! :^)


    >If ya say you're like Clinton.....gotta have a floozie.
    
     Well, I *do* have roots in Arkansas, y'all     



      
  >  --CJ--
   

     So does that mean you're going to vote for me? Maybe get Dr Payne also :^)




 Jum 

    Jim ....there is a good "pick-up" line .(speaking of floozies...)
    "I wanted to ask you out but I'm planning on being a  (either)
    Supreme Court Justice/or Running for Predsident, in 10 years"
    
    Sprout Into the 90's with Henderson...
    
    
    rich 

 Not that I would ever be engaged in such activity, but maybe it will serve
 as a good speech opening joke or something :^)




 Jum

	That line applies so well.... but, you better make that 25 years!

	I wonder when the statue of limititations expires on junk like
	that?

 Had to go to the Mall of NH Sunday, so I figured since Bob Kerrey was there
along with 1.5 million press people, I'd take the opportunity to press the
flesh a bit and get some press coverage. Unfortunately the press was too busy
with Bob to pay me any attention, but did have somebody tell me they liked my
dancin' bear button on my jacket :^)





Jum

Well, we didn't do as well in NH as we had hoped, but we got our message out,
and the momentum is building..but I sense victory, because we have a plan
(don't we?) and by golly we know what this country needs and George Herbert
Walker Bush had better be packing up and getting ready to leave his posh 
Pennsylvania Ave digs, cuz we're moving in on Jan 20, 1993!



And now its on to Maine, or South Dakota or Georgia (where are we going next
anyway?)...




Jum 

    on to Bigfoot County!!!!

Were we supposed to write in Jim or Jum Henderson?

    
    If you write in Jim it'll come up Jum anyway so don't worry about it. 
    ;-)
    
    

That's right :^)





 Jum

Right Jum ... Let's just move on and work a little harder.  There is no way
they can keep us from having one helluva victory party in your new residence
on Pennsylvania Ave. next year!!

onto South Dakota or Georgia or wherever you wanna go but in a couple of
weeks I suggest we follow the Dead!!!!  :-)

RE:     <<< Note 225.46 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "child of countless dreams" >>>



>weeks I suggest we follow the Dead!!!!  :-)


 Hmmm..Presidential candidates get free tix right?




 Jum who hasn't received his yet :^)

 One of the first pieces of legislation I will introduce upon my inauguration
 will be a bill to outlaw voicemail.  Once congress vetos that measure, I will
 settle for a compromise that all voicemail software be standardized so that 
 one pushes the same buttons at the same prompts for each.  And that when one
 pushes "0" or "00" when they want to speak to a human, that should the human
 not respond it is not forwarded to another phone so that one encounters some
 one else's voicemail and instructed to push "0" or "00" again...




 Jum

you just lost my vote, I have grown accostumed to, and actually like
my voicemail.

Lisa_former_campaign_volunteer_:-)

RE:  <<< Note 225.48 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Gonna get there? I don't know" >>>

> not respond it is not forwarded to another phone so that one encounters some
> one else's voicemail and instructed to push "0" or "00" again...

This is actually corporate policy. Any digit whose voicemail does not give the 
caller the option of talking to a real person is in violation thereof...

I can't put my finger on the exact loacation of this policy, but it was stated 
to us clearly in voicemail training that this is an important rule. If the 
person you are refering to above is a digital employee, kindly remind them of 
the rules...

 I got the option of talking to a live person, only the live person to whom I
was supposed to speak wasn't there and I got forwarded to somebody else.  This
infraction took place a couple weeks ago and I don't remember the names, except
that it was someone in the field who had been yelling at me looking for infor-
mation and when I called him back I encountered the above.  Today I got angry
cuz I encountered a different group of instructions with different buttons to
push and when it came time to push them I forgot which ones to push :-/



Other than that, I love voicemail..

    As being a classmate of Fog's at Phoneschool U (PU) 
    yes this is a rule and if not followed they foward all phones to yours!
    pure hell if ya ask me !
    
    Chris PU grad
    
    

    
    	Well, now that the word is out that Clinton has chosen
    Bert Gore as his Veep preference, that leaves only the
    Henderson Campaign, and the Perot non-Campaign to either
    make  or not make their decision or non-decision known
    or unknown......
    
    	So, Jum, what do you have to tell, or not tell us?
    
    

    Yuk - that means that Tipper Gore has a good chance of being second
    lady.  She'll probably start a campaign to take the offensive words out
    of the constitution or put decent clothes on that statue on top of the
    capitol building.
    
    Scott
    

One thing that appeals to me about Gore is his environmental record... he is
fairly active in this area...

Jum's VP - I think the lady friend mentioned in the Buffett note has the inside
track

re: -.1 :) Scott. Has anyone read (exceprts/the whole thing) the tome Gore just
put out on the ecology and politics?

I remember seeing a list of potential VP types for ol' Hank Perot, but the only 
name I recall at the moment for the list is Sally Ride


jeff

re     <<< Note 225.56 by SSGV02::STROBEL "Dan Quayle - Mr. PotatoE Head" >>>

>Jum's VP - I think the lady friend mentioned in the Buffett note has the inside
>track

	"inside track"

	this cracked me up hahd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	you sound just like the paper  !!!

	:-)

Personally, I'm secretly hoping Clinton will swap Al Gore for Gore Vidal at the 
very last minnit...

:-)

    	I heard the 1st thing Tipper wants to do is change all names of
    DAMs to DARNs, like the Hover Dam would now be the Hover Darn and so
    on. two hen-picked guys in office ? NOT ! Gov Bill almost had me !
    
    Chris

Didn't Tipper Gore smoke pot in the 60's?

She is, to me, the biggest bummer of Clinton choosing Gore...But, she's not on
the ballot, Albert is...tis not my problem...he's gotta live with her.

Ya know, now that I think about it, Tipper and Dan Quayle would make a good pair.
She can rate offensive albums while he rates offensive TV shows...


Dave

>Didn't Tipper Gore smoke pot in the 60's?

Yeah ...  then she censored her brain.  ;^)

I'm carefully weighing the choices and will have an announcement sometime
around mid November...this things take time..


Re.lady friend..If she can spell potato she's got it :-) with extra credit if
she can cook it..





Jum

>Re.lady friend..If she can spell potato she's got it :-) with extra credit if
>she can cook it..


Goin' for the women's vote, eh Jum?

    
    yeah, I was gonna blast off a reply to jum's cooking comment
    but decided to go outside and scream instead....
    
    

    
    i was wondering what that noise was...  almost made me choke on my
    baked potato(e)...
    
    					da ve

Re Tim...well, this is politics right?







Jum

    Ah me ... I just got this visual image of MJ standing on one of those
    picanic tables in front of the AKO lobby, screaming her head off becuza
    something jum said ... my neighbors are probably wonderin' what's so
    funny ... ;^)
    
    Hey jum ... there certainly is an "e" in potato ... it's rilly spelled
    T-A-T-E-R ... and they're easier to cook than they are to spell ... ;^)
    
    ... Bobbb
    

Hmmm..after reading the replies subsequent to Tim's my campaign staff
is feverishly running around trying to come up with disclaimers that will
clarify my position on this issue.   :-Q




Hey..some of my best friends are women 

    >> Hey..some of my best friends are women 
    
    Mebbe not NEmore ... ;^)
    
    jum, you musta went to the Dan Quayle school of PCness ... ;^)
    
    ... Bobbb
    

Womyn!  WOMYN!!!

;^)

 Well here I sit on a day off, cleaning my apt and doing some other stuff
I need to get done and innocently reply to Jeff's comment with a line that
was more aimed at our infamous veep than anyone of the female persuasion and
look what happens :-/


Just so everyone knows I happen to be a big supporter of the women's movement
(and can do my own cooking thank you) and do all I can to ensure they receive
equal treatment...


Sorry if it came across any other way...






Jum

And after that last reply I've given my campaign staff the afternoon off..
they just went out to the pool to check out the babes...er, water temp..






Jum

We'll forgive you, on one condition: you must declare a femayl running mate.

We want Lisa.  We want Lisa.  WE WANT LISA.  WE WANT LISA!!!!!

- the hoi polloi

Hmmm....vertically challenged and she can cook.  Let me get those guys outta
the pool and see what they think...





:-)

    We don't mind cooking,... as long as you guys do the dishes. :-)
    
    mary

 I'll cook til the cows come home if somebody else does the dishes

    Now we're getting down to the REAL issues between men and women :-)
    
    Mary
    
    p.s. Don't tell anyone but I do both the cooking AND the dishes... but
         I don't touch the car, I won't change tires and I don't stack
         wood.... so I guess it all evens out in the end. :-)

    i'll cook the cows when they come home and then eat the dishes...
    
    					da ve

    :-)
    You sound like a politician already, da ve... maybe you should join 
    Jim's campaign.

What a terrible thing it is to lose a cow's mind ... or to not taste
one ... or a potatoe ....

    I nominate the Cow !

    re .81
    
    You certainly qualify. :-)

    re .82
    
    You're on a mission from Gawd, aren't you.. :-)

Yeah, the Spidergawd!

    Jum's new slogan:  A potato with every pot
    or
    A potato with your pot
    or
    Wash your own potato dammit!
    

    I believe on a talk show, perhap's Dennis Miller (I heard/read this
    so it may be fictional anyway) Al Gore was posed the ponderous 
    question,
    "So Al, who rolls the better joints, you or Tipper?"
    Reportedly Al just smiled, but did not answer, damn, uh, darn it.
    
    PeterT
    

re:                      <<< Note 225.87 by SMURF::PETERT >>>
>                    -< re: Tipper smoked too, didn't she?? >-

>    I believe on a talk show, perhap's Dennis Miller (I heard/read this
>    so it may be fictional anyway) Al Gore was posed the ponderous 
>    question,
>    "So Al, who rolls the better joints, you or Tipper?"
>    Reportedly Al just smiled, but did not answer, damn, uh, darn it.

This is true.  I was watching the show when Al was on.   Al's 44 now, which
would make him graduate college (at 22) in 1970.  I'm sure he's rolled a few
bones in his life.  I doubt Tipper would ever admit to anything like that,
being the soul of the PMRC and all.

adam

>>being the soul of the PMRC and all.


PMRC?? Whatszat??

    don't know what PMRC exactly means, but Tipper was the head of the
    "Washington Wives" that wanted censorship on albums, PMRC was their
    acronym fro WW. ...am i rite?
                                                                     rfb

	PMRC = Parents Music Resource Center

    re PMRC...   hmmm  i was going to say "media" and "council" but the 
    bottom line is the same...  they are the folks who wanted the warning
    labels on all those "dangerous" records and tapes...
    
    					da ve

Both Al and Tipper have "admitted" smoking pot in college.

Watch for the Bush people to make this one of the big character issues in
upcoming months.  It'll probably help to keep Clinton from being elected,
but I think it's an encourage sign that the public isn't completely 
discounting Clinton because of this, right now.  Looks like things are
getting better.

    polls i saw this weekend showed Clinton with 29%, Bush with 28% and
    Perot with 27%...
    
    gee folks...  looks like there may be a real contest this year after
    all???
    
    						da ve

	Where is the other 16% ?  I can't believe that a whole 16%
	would go after alternate parties.  Which pole was this?

>    gee folks...  looks like there may be a real contest this year after
>    all???

We'll see ... Bush hasn't started attacking Clinton quite yet.

Thank God for Clinton and Gore that they voted for the Gulf War, otherwise they
wouldn't have had a chance.

    the poll was shown on CNN and didn't state about the other 16%...
    i would bet that most of them were in the ol' "undecided" category...
    
    					da ve

re:        <<< Note 225.96 by DEDSHO::CLARK "Ever breathe oxygen, son?" >>>

>Thank God for Clinton and Gore that they voted for the Gulf War

Ironic, ain't it?

:-(

Eventually, this country is going to be forced to elect a prez. who has smoked
marajuana because the mj-smoking crowd of people is geting older.... i 
personally know hardly _any_ folks who have not at least tried it, although, 
this is not a question I ask regularly!

Here's yer chance to really vote for jum!

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From: Emil Petruncio <7039P@navpgs.bitnet>
Subject: W&W Sighting
Reply-To: 7039P@navpgs.bitnet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:11:00 GMT

Hey Folks,

Just in case a zillion others don't post this:  Weir and Wasserman were
featured on CNN this morning (actually I caught 'em on Headline Snooze).
They showed excerpts of Victim and Eternity.  Haven't seen the boys'
perform yet, but Eternity sure sounds like a real nice blues number!
Bobby commented on how Eternity at first seemed too simple, almost
silly, before his eyes were opened and he realized the genius of Willie
Dixon's songwriting... to which Dixon replied (at the time),  "Now you
see it, see it... that's the wisdom of the blues!"

Emil

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From: Larry Price <lprice@ultrix.ramapo.edu>
Subject: SPINNERS
Reply-To: lprice@ultrix.ramapo.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:13:08 GMT

Does anybody out there have any information on what the SPINNERS
are about?
I've been going to shows for quite a while, and have seen them for a few
years now. They seem to be growing, and I'm curious as to their deal.
Thanks.
LP

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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Subject: Re: Tipper Update!
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)

There are few things worse than a newsfeed that delivers the responses before
the originals (I know, I know, at least I get News, etc.)

In this particular case, I've seen numerous replies quoting and refuting
individual sentences in Jordan's article, and thought "Man, this guy could
ghostwrite for Goebbels, or maybe even Newt Gingrich."

Now, after getting to read the complete article, I feel much differently about
what he has said.  I don't agree with him in many cases, but I also see that
the tone and the words chosen are more conversational than legalistic.  Now,
you can argue that they are imprecise, such as equating a right with a 
priveledge.  And in a legal argument, or coming from a politician, this would
indeed be constitutional fighting-words.  But I don't think Jordan was trying
to slip us a fast one; just was a little lax.  Some replies I saw went beyond
pointing out the difference (IMO).

To extend the discussion, I feel that some uses of free speech can be labeled
abuse of free speech; the question is -- how should society or an individual
react?  Not by banning or repressing that abuse, but by using free speech to
counter and expose it.  This is where the PC crowd becomes as big a problem
as the artists and rappers: They seek to prevent or chill expression, so that
the person who says "Kill xxxxxx's" or "xxxxxx on Jesus" is attacked, instead
of the words or the message.  It is fine to move society toward disapproval
of ethnic slurs in discourse.  It is repression to hound an individual for
expressing an idea, by implying that this exercise of free speech "proves"
that he or she is a racist, chauvinist, or whateverist.

The irony is that we allow Supreme Court judges to be appointed who say:
"I have no legal opinion on that issue, and I have not examined that case."
Yet we crucify a fool like Jimmy the Greek for making a comment that repeats
a (granted -- damaging and reprehensible) racial stereotype.  Look, the guy
said something stupid verbally, and he may personally be an asshole.  But
he is no David Duke, who has said such things -- not off the cuff, or foot
in mouth -- but in printed and distributed material as well.  Yet he almost
ends up running for president!

Personally, I disagree with a number of things Jordan said, or what he seems,
unwittingly or not, to be implying (actions = speech under law). It`s important
that people who disagree with spoken or published speech (be it Duke or Ice T
or Danny-boy) should take it to task, and encourage others not to support or
purchase the product, if they wish.  But they must not try to repress it.

As for Tipster, there are valid analogies between the entertainment industries,
and our society has generally accepted (or ignored) the use of warning labels.
But their use must be legitimate, and they must not be used to supress, merely
to inform.  If a toy is intended for kids 5-9, and judged safe for such but
not for under 5 (or too boring for over 9), that is useful information, but
it does not stop the parents of a 4 year old from buying it.  A record label 
that states the artist's intended audience could be designed to be helpful,
not chilling.  But this was, unfortunately, not the tone of the Tipper
campaign. 

Others have complained because Al Gore supported her. Oh, what a
shit, to support his wife!  Better to stand up in Congress and call her a
stupid bimbo, right? Maybe he disagrees, but is willing not to interfere with
her right to express and promote an opinion?  Maybe he thinks that women can
make such choices?  Maybe that's too much for PC pinheads to grasp?  
But nooooooooooooo! (at this point, the late John Belushi would fly off his
chair, and flailing arms and legs, disappear under the table.  I shall do 
the same, having far overextended my daily alloted bandwidth.)

ODC: If you don't think this discussion is relevant to the Dead, then kiss
your favorite venue good-bye.  Oh, and could you please wear this warning
label -- Deadheads are a dangerous influence on youth under 18 -- just apply  
it between your nose and your chin, like this.
 
Matt
The moral (if any) is "do not unwittingly become that which you condemn."
dizzy with possibillities.

------------------------------

From: cherniac@bbn.com (Natasha Cherniack)
Subject: Re:   Free Speech/Tipper Gore/Argument by Intimidation
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:41:22 GMT

brown@sunspot.noao.edu writes:
> I have been amazed recently to find many BS grads who never had to
> take Gov't or Poly Sci, kind of make a statement on the quality of
> education being exhibited by our HIGHER? Education System these
> days.

> And yes it scares me also, of course what do you expect from a liberal
> arts major, we didn't get an education just to get a job, guess thats
> why it took me 15yrs to get a decent job:-)

I beg your pardon, I did not 'get an education to get a job'.  I happened to
be more interested in the science area than the liberal arts area and I saw
no reason to spend 4 years studying something that didn't really excite me to
do something that I didn't want to do for the rest of my life.  Opinions like
that rank up there with "He/she is studying sociology, of course that's not a 
real major..."

Disclaimer:  If the smiley is intended for the whole sentance, then I 
apoligize.  I interpreted the smiley to be intended for the length of time it
took you to find a decent job.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
> TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
> >brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Natasha Cherniack

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From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: re: Probablility & Statistics
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:46:02 GMT

|You often hear that the Dead have never repeated a set. How does anyone
|know? Has anyone ever checked? What do you think the chances are of
   
John  Scott   (Mr.  DeadBase  ;-) has   checked.  He  compared all the
setlists in his database and discovered that no, no  two shows or even
sets have been the same.  Yes, I believe that there were sets with the
same song list, but never in the same order.  The closest  I know that
they have come to doing two sets that were the same was when  they did
a set which contained more songs than another one, but which contained
the other set in its entirety.
                                           reb

------------------------------

From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Subject: Re: Tipper Update!
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:53:56 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)

Well, I wasn't gonna, but there was one point worth making.  The rest of the
post was an interesting counter argument, though about .02% too libertarian
for my tastes.

But:

In article <KING_P.92Jul21120550@fog.cs.odu.edu> king_p@fog.cs.odu.edu (Paul King) writes:
>   Jordan> There are clearly some cases where we can see intuitively that
>   Jordan> it is abuse of "free speech" to use the media to spread
>   Jordan> "dangerous" ideas.
>
> >  Who is this "we" blessed with such crystal-clear intuitive vision?
> 
>  And how is an Idea, a thought, dangerous? It could be wrong. 2+2=17
>  is an idea and it's not dangerous, just wrong. Factually wrong ideas
>  can be ignored, disproven. Other ideas can be dangerous to power,
>  can disrupt control, but part of what america is defies control.
>  Defies it hard. An idea can spread truth, the only things an idea
>  can hurt are based on control or ignorance or both.
>
My comment here is: the idea or thought that all Deadheads are 
drug-crazed hippies who piss on your lawn and leave garbage in the street
is indeed dangerous, though perhaps not intellectually so.  It is a general-
ization that can be easily disproven, but so what?  Once shouted to the masses,
an exponential volume of refutation is required to counteract it.  This is 
why juries are often ordered to disregard statements made in court: their mere
utterance can prejudice the case, even if they are later disproven.

Dangerous to power?  Yes, but not only.  The Rodney King verdict (as an idea
that those cops were not acting illegally) turned out to be dangerous and 
costly to many non-powerful people.  An idea became the basis for the 
Holocaust!

Again, the issue is not the content of the idea itself, but how that idea and
its aftereffects are treated in US society.  This is the part of the excerpt
that I agree with -- democracy defies control, meaning (to me) that it provides
the forum for advancing good ideas and beating the shit out of bad ones, and
it should provide the urge or instinct to do so.  This urge may be fully 
exercised by few (comparatively), but it is the duty of the rest of us to
protect those who speak out.  Power, on the other hand, often tries to supress
this (look at what whistleblowers vs government contractors have gone through).

Look, Jordan isn't wrong to state that free speech can be abused (if abuse
means to spread ideas that will have harmful effects -- harmful is another
subjective word; let's not fight about who defines what is harmful yet.  Can
we agree that ideas can cause effects we consider to be harm?).  Not many of
us (I hope) would argue that Hitler's use of media wasn`t harmful, once
you have the historical perspective to see where the Fascist revitalization
of Germany was steered.  The problem is the use of "clear" and "intuitive"
here, which makes Jordan's opinion sound too much like the slick slime we
get from politicians and tv evangelists.  I hope this is just "conditioned
response writing" and it is not his real intent to grease us up for the big
broomhandle ("Now that I've gotten you good folks to bend over, I'm sure
you'll enjoy what comes next").

But I think we almost all agree that we don't want to see a Judge Wapner 
residing over the People's Free Speech Court either.

Matt
"Keep your own, and leave my own alone" -- R. Hunter   

------------------------------

From: ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes)
Subject: what to do in Budapest
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:59:32 GMT

I am planning a trip to Budapest, Hungary in October. I have
a choice of places to stay. I generally prefer, when visiting
a large city, to stay in an older hotel in a bohemian district
(rather than an americanized "safe" McHotel&Convention center
complex).

Does anyone have any info about the current music scene in
Budapest ? What sections of town are the most interesting ?
I am most interested in bluegrass music and its derivatives,
though I also enjoy most other musical forms.

Thanks in advance
Ed Stokes
ebstokes@crd.ge.com

------------------------------

From: porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu (Paul A. Orphanos)
Subject: Re: East Coast
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.232944.2369@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>
>     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
>

If you mean not able to come back to, there are a few:

Saratoga
Merriwether Post
Hartford
Fox - Atlanta (probably because it's too small)

that's all I can think of right now...I'm sure others can add to that.
I know SPAC and Merriwether are'nt too small because the boyz played 
StarLake this year, which is'nt enormous.

later,
paul

-- 
Paul A. Orphanos                          pao0@lehigh.edu
Microelectronics Research Laboratory      porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.

------------------------------

From: porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu (Paul A. Orphanos)
Subject: Re: why the Dead can't play at Red Rocks
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:46:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.162308.10911@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, rob@cygnus.com (Rob Savoye) writes:
|> 
|>   The reason the Dead can't play Red Rocks anymore is because of the 
|> deadheads.
...
|>   The other reason is that the Morrison Town Council all went to Telluride
|> afterwards and when they saw how respectfully Telluride was treated they lost
|> it. I mentioned several times that Telluride offered free camping -- out
|> of town and handed out free trash bags, which helped considerably. Anyway,
|> their feeling was "F*#$ deadheads, if they can trash Morrison but clean up
|> Telluride, let'm suffer !@!@!!" I pleaded that they only needed to change
|> the way they deal with deadheads (like Telluride) but like most folks, they
|> couldn't see the error in their ways.
...
|>      - rob -

Red Rocks and Telluride were totally different in terms of the scene. I remember
that at Red Rocks, there were ALOT of people without tickets, but everyone was being
told you would'nt be allowed into Telluride without tickets to keep the ticketless
hordes away. However, some friends of mine went anyway, and found that many tickets 
were placed on sale at the venue the day before the show (unannounced, of course).
The message did get through though, and the place was not overrun with miracle-seekers.

Telluride offered free camping down the road from town, and also offered 
camping right next to the park for a very reasonable rate (I think it was $10
per site for both days). Also, at Telluride, I clearly remember Bill G. riding
around his Harley, and talking to all of us about why the Dead were allowed
to be there. It took a town referendum, and cleansliness was a prerequisite
of approval. We were informed of that when we drove into town (there's only one way
into the box canyon, unless you've got 4WD and a death-wish to go over the mountains).

Telluride set things up so that it would be clean: you parked the car on the edge of
town, and took a bus to the campsite (next to the park...easiest access to a venue I've
EVER had, and I got 4th row both nights because they had a separate line in for people
at the campground!!!), so people would'nt be driving around for the two days, and
as I said we were TOLD to keep it clean (given garbage bags, and drop-off points, etc.).

At Red Rocks, there was no camping within a few miles of the place, and the US Park
Service folks kicked us out within an hour of the show ending, so everyone was driving
in and out every night (we'd drive until we found a good mountain, pull the car over,
climb it, and camp...what a trip). Also, there were big problems with hot-shot rock
climbers trying to climb into the venue. I remember looking up at the rocks to see
people playing cat and mouse with park rangers dangerously close to a 50-75 foot fall
onto us. So I do think the heads did ruin Red Rocks. Also, remember that Telluride
was a 7-8 hour drive from Denver, a long-haul for the ticketless hordes.

later,
paul

-- 
Paul A. Orphanos                          pao0@lehigh.edu
Microelectronics Research Laboratory      porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.

------------------------------

From: porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu (Paul A. Orphanos)
Subject: Re: East Coast
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:12:19 GMT

|> >
|> >     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
|> >
|> 

Oh yeah, providence, pittsburgh (the city, that is), hampton, richmond,
springfield (some wild shows there, eh?), the list goes on....

later,
paul


-- 
Paul A. Orphanos                          pao0@lehigh.edu
Microelectronics Research Laboratory      porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.

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Mines off...

From:	CSCMA::M_PECKAR     "some rise, some fall, some climb..." 24-JUL-1992 16:05:40.97
To:	NM%DECWRL::"reb@ingres.com",SELF
CC:	
Subj:	Vote Jim Henderson

 Uh oh :-)

    mine too...  :^)  i have decided to vote for Jum even though his
    platform is not clearly defined and he has not officially announced a
    running mate...
    
    he's the only candidate i know from personal experience who has
    integrity and i can feel certain that he will act in good conscience...
    
    			jump on the bandwagon!  :^)
    
    					da ve

    
    Having just officially met Jum this weekend I feel
    compelled to jump on the bandwagon too!!  
    
    Vote Jum!!
    
    MJ_official_member_of_the_'MIGHTY_SWELL_PARTY'!!!!
    
    :-)

    I guess if Lisa is like my adopted sister and if Jum is Lisa's dad
    (Pops !) then that would somehow make me a son somehow and if this is
    true I guess I must be part of the party ! so move over Im jumpin'
    
    Chris :')

    
    	Well, I've been away on vacation for the last two weeks, and I'm
    not sure if this has been discussed anywhere esle, but..........
    
    	Did you all hear Ann Richards introduction at the Democratic
    National Convention?
    
    	"Hi, I'm Ann Richardfs, I'm Pro-Choice, and I vote!"
    
    	I think we know one of the big issues!
    
    

RE:       <<< Note 225.105 by SLOHAN::FIELDS "Meowowowowow I'm Hungry !" >>>
                            -< MIGHTY SWELL PARTY >-

   > I guess if Lisa is like my adopted sister and if Jum is Lisa's dad
   > (Pops !) then that would somehow make me a son somehow and if this is
   > true I guess I must be part of the party ! so move over Im jumpin'
    
    

    Just what I need...another son :-)




    Jum   

I just voted for Jim Henderson also!!!!!  C'mon everyone, send in your
vote!!


Fog, can ya post the results here when they are known?  thanks mon!

Well, here's one more vote off for Jum!  At least there's one person Jum should
beat in the poll: George Bush!  If you can't pull that one off in a deadhead
poll, you ought to get a new campaign manager. :-)  Who is your campaign
manager, anyway?

PS.  We all ought to say Jim not Jum, otherwise he may lose important votes!

adam

    Jum -
    
    What *are* YOUR  _Promises_???
    
    
    :)

RE:                     <<< Note 225.110 by LJOHUB::GILMORE >>>
                    -< Jum Jum Jum Jum (I just love that!) >-

       
   > What *are* YOUR  _Promises_???
    
    
   I promise to buy roses for everybody (as long as they don't leave them
   in the bar) :-)


   Other than that I don't have any...don't make promises, you don't have
   to break them.





  Jum 

    is that a promise ?

Nope :-)

    	A man who'll never break a promise! He's easily got my vote!

REMINDER:

Please cast your net.vote for Jum before Thursday!  Instructions a few replies 
back...

Fog

re      <<< Note 225.116 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "spinning that curious sense" >>>

>REMINDER:
>
>Please cast your net.vote for Jum before Thursday!  Instructions a few replies 
>back...

I wonder if I can vote again from my ultra::ferguson account, and my biodtl::
system, and my shamir:: system, and from all my priv'd accounts?????


stuff that ballot box!!! Jum in '92 and '96!

 Well, I voted...don't see anybody around taking my picture like they usually
do on election day when the candidates cast their ballots..





Jum

    Another vote for Jim just went out on email.  
    
    Rose
    

RE: Jum...

> Well, I voted...don't see anybody around taking my picture like they usually
> do on election day when the candidates cast their ballots..

So...who'd you vote for??? :-)

Dave

Re:      <<< Note 225.111 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "A friend I've never seen" >>>
>                                    -< :-) >-

>   I promise to buy roses for everybody (as long as they don't leave them
>   in the bar) :-)

	oops!  Sorry Pops.  Would it help if I blamed it on someone else,
	like Adam, or Chris?  :-)

re:  <<< Note 225.121 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "discover the wonders of nature" >>>

>	oops!  Sorry Pops.  Would it help if I blamed it on someone else,
>	like Adam, or Chris?  :-)

Don't blame me!  I didn't touch it!  Although I did point out the nice
vase-type thing to put it in.  Had I known your memory was so SHORT (my first
pun!) I would have never suggested you put it in there and lose it!  You should
have bit down on the stem and danced with it in your mouth the whole time (got
any castanets?)

adam

Re:  <<< Note 225.122 by EZRIDR::SIEGEL "The revolution wil not be televised" >>>
>                         -< it *is* time to go home! >-


I didn't loose it.  I am sure it was still in that beer bottle after we left.

>vase-type thing to put it in.  Had I known your memory was so SHORT (my first
>pun!) I would have never suggested you put it in there and lose it!  You should

	another first huh Adam?  Congratulations and thank you once again
	for sharing it with us.  :-)

re:  <<< Note 225.123 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "discover the wonders of nature" >>>
>                                    -< ;^) >-

>	another first huh Adam?  Congratulations and thank you once again
>	for sharing it with us.  :-)

My pleasure, sweetcheeks (apologies to Jum).  I look forward to many more puns
(and ???) in my lifetime.

adam

    reb's straw poll results are in. Henderson ties Brown for 3rd. :-)
    
    
   Here are the r.m.g straw poll results:
   ======================================================================
   Hi!
   Well, the voting is over.  Most of you were able to follow directions,
   but  there were still a  few who didn't understand  the meaning of the
   phrase "You must put the word 'vote' and the name of the candidate you
   wish to vote for on the subject line of your message." 
   
   Here is a summary of votes cast in the straw poll:
   
           BROWN         17
           BUSH           4
           CLINTON       75
           JIM HENDERSON 17
           MARROU        22
           PEROT          1
   
   (There seems to be a *lot* of support at DEC for Jim Henderson ;-)
   
   The following people each received one vote:
   
   ALAN KEYES
   ANN RICHARDS
   CURTIS SLIWA (Head of Guardian Angels in NYC)
   DLYAN
   FRANK ZAPPA
   GEORGE CLINTON (NOT BILL)
   GORE VIDAL
   JEFF A LOOMIS
   JERRY (BROWN OR GARCIA!)
   KEN KESEY
   KREUTZMAN
   MAXBLUES
   MICKEY HART
   NOBODY (Who will solve all our problems? Nobody! Who will lower taxes? Nobody!)
   OPUS & BILL THE CAT
   RALPH NADER
   RON DANIELS
   ZAPPA (WITH JOE WALSH VP)
   ZIPPY
   
   A  hearty "Thank  you" to  all   who participated!
   
                                           reb

Wow, I wasn't expecting him to do _that_ well!

:-)   :-)   :-)

I told you Jum would beat George Bush! :-)  I bet that really validates your
life, eh Jum?

So, Andre Marrou beat you.  That's OK, he's cool in my book.

adam_who_is_real_glad_we_may_actually_get_a_Democrat_in_the_White_House

>>So, Andre Marrou beat you.  That's OK, he's cool in my book.


Hmmm, Andre Marrou -- he's the Libertarian candidate -- right??  ;^)

But serioously, those that would normally vote Libertarian and that were voting
Democrat as an anti-Bush vote, may want to reconsider if Clintons ratings 
continue to exceed Bush's as they are...  We really need to get more exposure
to the Libertarian Party...

Glenn

Well, we didn't win the straw poll, but as I've said before polls don't mean
a thing...we're gonna keep traveiling around this great country of ours, gett-
ing our message across to the american people and we aren't gonna give up
til the last vote is counted..


Either that or I'm gonna line up a couple talk shows to be on, a couple book
contracts and speeches and see if I can make some money off this deal...


Slipknot, CTW, Bluegrass Connection adn Tish Hinajosa, keep Jan 20th open,
cuz we're gonna party at the White House :-)





Thanks for the votes (the checks are in the mail)





Jum in 92 committeeZEX

Dang I hate logging in from home

>Slipknot, CTW, Bluegrass Connection adn Tish Hinajosa, keep Jan 20th open,
>cuz we're gonna party at the White House :-)

	A lesson in politics...

	You just lost 10-20 KIND votes dood

	:-)

						/not_so_kind

Hey, I ain't seen youse guys yet!  When I sees ya and assuming youse meet
the qualification guidelines, you're in :-)








 JumZ

    
    
    Geeez /SLASH, I don't think Jum meant to get your dander up or nuthin'
    
    We all just though you'd be a shoe-in to be booked at the Quayle's
    consolation party that evening!!!  :^)
    
    not/  lookin' fer trouble!

Hmmm.

So /mon's dander is up, and Jum made it that way... :-)

I think I need a beer...

Dave

    re Jum,..
    
    	Oh,... OK
    
    re Treemon!
    
    	:-)
    
    	Dan Quayles consolation party,...?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    
    	Give me a #$%^&* break mon!!!!!!!
    
    		:-) :-) :-)
    
    re dave
    
    	Lets go get it,... question is .... where?
    
    						/back_in_the_Henderson_camp
    

While driving in Southboro over the weekend I saw a lot of signs that said:

	     -----------
	    |	VOTE	|
	    | HENDERSON	|
	    |		|
	    |	for	|
	    | Congress	|
	     -----------
		| |
		| |
		| |


So what's the deal Jum, you running for everything or what??

Scott

 Well, at this rate I'm bound to be elected for *something* :-)







 Jum

    Hey Jum . . . what are you anyway -- Independent?
    
    I'm registered Democrat -- can I change that?  Anyway --
    someone (A MAN) pointed out to me that the Democratic
    Presidential Candidate appeared to have a sexist, 
    womanizing type of attitude.  I've thought about it and
    I tend to agree.
    
    So, can I write you in Jum?
    
    :)sparky_getting_very_confused
    

    
    Sparky, you need to do a little research. (as do I!)
    Watch the debates, read whatever you can
    find on the candidates (all of them) and use your own
    values & judgements to make your decision.  And like
    I've heard JC say many times... think about how you
    want your children's lives & freedoms to be protected.  
    
    MJ
    

 Much as I would appreciate the votes (actually its the inaugural party that
I want :-)  I think what MJ said is the way to go.  I keep flipflopping over
for whom to vote and I'm still undecided.  But this is an important election
no question about it.


And, I am registered as independant.




Jum

re                    <<< Note 225.140 by BRUTWO::CONNORS_M >>>

    
>    Sparky, you need to do a little research. (as do I!)

The League of Woman Voters usually puts together something right before the
election that is supposed to present the facts, period.  No bias towards any
one candidate.  This should appear in the big Boston newspapers (Globe, etc).

As for can you change?  Call your town hall; you might be able to change your
status.  After you vote, you may change your status.  I recommend changing
your status so you don't get roped into voting for one party after each time
you vote.  "Undeclared" (?) is the "you can vote anyway" status in MA.  Usually
there is a table where you fill out a little form that states your status
after you cast your votes.


>    And like
>    I've heard JC say many times... think about how you
>    want your children's lives & freedoms to be protected.  
 

	Thank you MJ!!!  :-)    And, don't forget to think about _your_
	own freedoms.... you are young sparky;  vote carefully.  

	Just think about this:  Clarence Thomas will retire when YOU
	are in your 60s!!!  scary enough?  Sure is for me.

	Personally, I'm _not_ going to vote for someone who does not
	have a chance in hell of winning.  This narrows the choices
	to Bush, Perot, and Clinton.

re:             <<< Note 225.142 by ZENDIA::FERGUSON "Roll me away" >>>

>	Personally, I'm _not_ going to vote for someone who does not
>	have a chance in hell of winning.  This narrows the choices
>	to Bush, Perot, and Clinton.

Actually, based on not having a chance in hell of winning, I think it narrows
the choices to Perot and Clinton. :-) 

		Dave

    
       > Just think about this:  Clarence Thomas will retire when YOU
       > are in your 60s!!!  scary enough?  Sure is for me.
    
    Sure is for me too!  Now ask yourself this question, JC.  Why did
    Clarence Thomas end up on the SC?  Do you think sexism had anything to
    do with it?  Or racism?  
    
    (sorry everybody but I had to ask.  I don't want to get stuck in the
    rathole from hell anymore than anybody else does :-)
    

    
    > Actually, based on not having a chance in hell of winning, I think it
    > narrows the choices to Perot and Clinton. :-)
    
    :-) :-) :-)
    
    Oh Dave - reading that sentence made my day!  Thanks for the killer
    positive energy!!!!!  
    
    

re: phyllis:   BOTH, imo.

 Oh, and I don't think it matters how you are registered for the presidential
election..you can vote for anybody,I believe.






Jum

RE: Party affiliation (sp?)

  Just because you are registered as a Democrat (whatever) doesn't 
mean you have to vote that way.  You just need to declare a party in
order to vote in the primary for that party.  And you can only vote
in the primary for 1 party/election.  I'm currently a registered Dem,
only b/c I wanted to vote in the Dem. primary, and I've been too lazy
to go to Town Hall (tm) to change back to independent...

Of the 3 big ones, the only one I think (note, my opinion) who is
remotely interested in women's issues (probably b/c of the party 
affiliation, tho') is Clinton.

IMO (which doens't mean much b/c I'm a guy) being a woman (unless, of
course, your a Phyllis Schlafly follower) and voting for GHWB is
hypocritical...

Dave (rambling again)

p.s. I can't wait to hear GHWB *whine* when he gets DAS BOOT!!! :-)

People keep talking about the Supreme Court like it isn't already a lost
cause ... I don't get it ... ?

I would strongly consider voting Libertarian if I could get a good answer
as to how they would protect the individual citizen and the environment from
corporate greed, among other things.  I reckon I'm going to try to talk
to John Lewicke soon ....

- DC

    Jim is right in this election (the Prez) you can vote for anyone you
    want even a write-in ....for the primary elections you must choose a 
    party to vote in but after you have voted you may change your party to 
    REP or DEM or IND before you leave....or go to the town hall and change
    your party....
    
    
    Chris

I'll add another confirmation to the party affiliation question -

Your party affiliation means nothing in the Presidential election.  You can
vote for whoever you want.  Affiliation only matters in primaries..

adam_registered_independent

    
    Yes, dc, the balance is already lost, the damage is done.  But, it
    could get even worse (believe it or not) if Blackmun is replaced with
    another conservative.  
    
    

re    <<< Note 225.149 by VMPIRE::CLARK "leave your stepping stones behind" >>>

>I reckon I'm going to try to talk
>to John Lewicke soon ....

Tell be about this guy's deal with the libertarians.  he notes in the carbuffs
notesfile (he pretty funny guy).  he's also helped me w/ car stuff.

jc

    		
    	Personally, I agree with JC on the importance of
    	voting for the sake of the supreme court nominations
    	that'll come up in the next presidential term.  
    	Fortunately, that makes my choice easy, since the
    	3 main pres. candidates are fairly clear on what kind of
    	supreme court they'd like to have.  
    
    	-helen 
    	 	

re             <<< Note 225.153 by ZENDIA::FERGUSON "Roll me away" >>>

>Tell be about this guy's deal with the libertarians.  he notes in the carbuffs
>notesfile (he pretty funny guy).  he's also helped me w/ car stuff.

He's running for Congress against Bill Hatch and Dick Swett, in NH.  Kate
Alexander, another Libertarian DECcie (running for the Senate) and he 
are open to answering questions about Libertarianism ....

- dc

    There's never been a balanced Supreme Court.
    
    Just to clarify the Mass. primary process: what used to be called
    "independent" is now "unenrolled."  There's an Independent party now.
    
    My wife was surprised when our town's ballots were the put an "X" in
    the box type.  I was surprised that there's another way, I'd never
    heard of voting machines before.  Seems a bit impersonal.
    
    Jamie

re:       <<< Note 225.156 by STUDIO::IDE "Can't this wait 'til I'm old?" >>>

>    My wife was surprised when our town's ballots were the put an "X" in
>    the box type.  I was surprised that there's another way, I'd never
>    heard of voting machines before.  Seems a bit impersonal.

Growing up in NYC, I was used to the big grey metal booths being rolled into
the gymnasium every year.  I always looked forward to stepping inside one
someday.  Unfortunately, being a New Enaglander, I've never done it that way
(yet).

Sure makes couting votes easier.  In a city with 9 million people, that's a big
deal.  But it is a bit impersonal, plus open to rigging by some clever
mechanical engineer.

adam

I don't know, we used the big machines for our eight grade election to
get used to how they work.  Everyone remember how they felt in eight grade?
Adolesence-R-Us where *everything* is awkward.  One of the people got stuck
(couldn't open the curtain) and crawled out beneath it.  I was terrified.
Since that was the last time I used one of those machines I am still terrified!
Hey Fog, I don't suspect that's how we vote in West Boylston is it?  Please
say no!  :-)

>    Hey Jum . . . what are you anyway -- Independent?

i always figured that he represented the "Let's Have A" Party ;^)

/rich

    no no no!  The Mighty Swell Party!  
    
    MJ

RE:                    <<< Note 225.160 by WAKIKI::CONNORS_M >>>
                         -< Might As Well Party?  :-) >-

   > no no no!  The Mighty Swell Party!  
    
   

    Hah!  That's it :-)





 Jum

[ Forwards removed ]

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions  
 and have a tremendous impact on history.                

                  -- Candidate Jim Henderson"

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being
 very wasteful.  How true that is.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"I love California.  I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona.  A lot of people
 forget that.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"My friends, we can and we will, never, never surrender to what is
 right.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson, speaking to Pat
                   Robertson's Christian Coalition."

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Candidate,
 and that one word is 'to be prepared'.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
 democracy --- but that could change.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"I felt like I was in charge.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson, after working the
                   Panama Canal's locks."

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... somewhat the same distance
 from the sun, which is very important.  We have seen pictures where
 there are canals, we believe, and water.  If there is water, that
 means there is oxygen.  If oxygen, that means we can breathe.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"In the past we have tried too much to prevent the making of  
 mistakes.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson."

"I'm Jim Henderson, who are you?
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson, greeting a woman at
                   a Hardee's restaurant with a handshake.  She
                   responded, ``I'm your Secret Service agent.''"

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother  
 and child.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson"

"Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific.  It is IN
 the Pacific.  It is a part of the United States that is an island that
 is right here.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson,
          Hawaii, September 1989"

"'The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean
 in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't
 live in this century.'
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson
          (The New Yorker, October 10, 1988, p.102)"

"We should develop anti-satellite weapons because we could not have
 prevailed without them in 'Red Storm Rising'.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson"
	(Red Storm Rising is a fictional novel by Tom Clancy...RW)

"I have made good judgments in the Past.  I have made good judgments  
 in the Future.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson"

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment.  It's the  
 impurities in our air and water that are doing it.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson"

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We
 have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a *part* of Europe.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson"

"I could take this home, Marilyn. This is something teenage boys might
 find of interest.
       --Candidate Jim Henderson, when purchasing a South
         African Indian Doll that, when lifted, displays an erection."

"The other day [the President] said, I know you've had some rough
 times, and I want to do something that will show the nation what faith
 that I have in you, in your maturity and sense of responsibility. (He
 paused, then said) 'Would you like a puppy?'
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson (LA Times 5/21/89)"

"Are they taking DDT?
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson asking doctors at a Manhattan
          AIDS clinic about their treatments of choice.
          (NY Post, early May 92)"

"For NASA, space is still a high priority.
       -- Candidate Jim Henderson, September 1990  "

"No, I had no problem communicating with Latin American heads of state -
though now I do wish I had paid more attention to Latin when I was in
high school.
		-- Candidate Jim Henderson"

- - ----- And let's give George a shot... -----

"It has been said by some cynic, maybe it was a former president, `If
 you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.'  We took them literally
 -- that advice -- as you know.  But I didn't need that, because I have
 Barbara Bush.
                -- President Jim Henderson."

"Boy, they were big on crematoriums, weren't they?
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson at Auschwitz, 1987."

"It's no exaggeration to say the undecideds could go one way or
 another.
                -- President Jim Henderson."

"You can't argue with the Candidate, can you?
                -- William Figueroa, the 12-year-old told by Dan
                   Quayle that potato is spelled 'potatoe'."

"A kitchen in every pot.  I mean, a pot in every -- I mean, a chicken
 in every...
                -- Jim Henderson, 1988."

"We [Reagan and Bush] have had triumphs, we have made mistakes, we  
 have had sex.
                -- Candidate Jim Henderson, May 1988."

"Little Weiner Countries.
                -- President Jim Henderson's term for Third World
                   nations without oil."


- ------- End of Forwarded Message


------- End of Forwarded Message

    and another one Mr Hendersnap has been known to utter...
    
    "I'll drink to THAT!!!"
    
    
    
    rfb %^)

 Hey, those quotes were taken out of context :-)

    "Could you repeat the question? I didn't have my glasses on"
                                       - Candidate Jum Henderdale
    

    "Could you repeat the question? I didn't have my hearing aid turned on"
                                           - Candidate Jum Henderdale

	"Could you repeat the question?  I was busy inhaling!"

		- Candidate Jum Hendermon

	"I never questioned the fact that you questioned me, I mearly
	 questioned you on what the question might have been. What was
	 the question? Hooey, I tell ya, hooey"

				Candidate Jum Chipandale

   "Would you repeat the question?  I was busy hurling on a foreign dignatary"





                                   Jum Busherdal

    
    I asked:
    
    	"What did you have for lunch today?  Oh, never mind, I see...."
    
    

   :-)

>             -< Jum Henderdunkelweissendale Campaign Headquarters >-

Who???

:-)

    I thought it was:
    
    				Jum HumptyDumptyDale?!?!?!?!
    
    
    

    
    	Well, with thoughts like:
    
    "Shit,  we've had three or four SERIOUS recessions since 1972, "
    
    	I think the ticket of Henderson/Grady really does stand a chance!
    
    

    Re:225.174
    
    Potato!
    

 Line item veto!





 Jum who'll gladly take Mr Grady as a running mate

How'd I get involved in this???

:-)

Dave 

    
    	But Tim, what is your opinion of Mars?
    

    
>    	But Tim, what is your opinion of Mars?
    
		I'm not Tim, and I DON'T play him on TV, but personally
		I like Milky Ways better.  ;^)

 I like Charleston Chew myself :-)








 Jum

	Now that you mention it, I can't remember the last time
	I had a *Skybar*!  ;-)

	Ken

   since DECheads like voting so much, i thought mebbe you guys would be into
   voting for our favorite candidate again!  last time, our boy came in 2nd
   to the current front runner, Bill Clinton!!!  i'll bet we could go right
   over the top if we put our minds to it!

   send mail to reb...  vote now!!!

					da ve


   As  if I didn't  have enough to  do ...  don't  worry, it's automated!
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PS - the correct address for decheads to use would be decwrl::"reb@ingres.com".
The quotes are needed.

My vote's in...

    #1          22-OCT-1992 15:08:26.72                                  
NEWMAIL
From:   CSCMA::M_PECKAR     "As the decnet turns"
To:     NM%DECWRL::"reb@ingres.com",SELF
CC:
Subj:   Vote Jim Henderson

    I wish I'd kept my copy!
    
    It said:
    
    Subj:  vote Jum Henderson
    
    
    
    
    :)

 Thanks, folks...I won't let you down :-)







 Jum Henderquayledalushintongore

    I keep vacillating between Clinton, Perot and Jim Henderson... 
    ... probably won't make up my mind till I walk in the voting booth.

An additional 'factoid' from the other night...

    Guess who was chairman of the Republican National Committee during the
    re-election campaign for Richard Nixon, and therefore during the
    Watergate breakins?  Right.  George.  He must have been out of the loop
    back then too.

Also saw some old footage of Clinton from 1978 when he first ran for Governor.
I kind of like the idea of an ex-hippie on the White House.  I doubt that
Perot fits that category, though...;-)

tim

P.S.  I submit that typing "Vote for Clinton" is, in fact, stating an opinion,
      despite its imperative semantics.  In any other media, such a statement
      coming from an individual is considered an opinion, and not an
      advertisement.  I see no reason why Notes should be different.  In fact
      I would suggest that censoring such statements impinges on the speaker's
      First Amendment rights to free speach, just as if NBC had bleeped Sinead

Perhaps I've missed it (hardly a first) but who's Jum's running mate?

Tim Grady.

We're counting on you, Tim, to continue Quayle's Martian canal research.

- DC

    
    Wow look at that!  A vice presidential candidate sticking up for *my*
    civil rights!  Hmmm... might have to rethink my vote.  ;-)
    
    

    
    	I want a Henderson/Grady sign for my front yard, where can
    I get one? My local LPS40?
    
    

    While going to watch "Moose and Squirrel" last night we got a piece 
    by Linda Ellerbee about the presidential candidates.  Gerald Ford was
    there as a concrete example ;-)  This was on Nickelodeon.  I asked 
    Hannah if she knew what all this president stuff was, and she went
    "Huh?"  So I explained in simple terms what it was and that we 
    got to chose this year and asked her who she wanted to be president.
    So she smiled and said "I want to be President!"  So, sorry Jum,
    but it looks like my votes already taken ;-)
    
    PeterT
    

>>                    <<< Note 225.193 by SMURF::PETERT >>>
>>                       -< kids!  gotta love 'em :-) >-
    
    
[ many headers removed ] 
 
[ These are from 1984, but they still apply ]
 
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
	"An Elementary Look at Campaigns and Elections"
 
(Every year, teacher Mike Wilson of Ballwin, Missouri has his
elementary-school students study the presidential election process in
America.  From the resulting essays and exam papers, Wilson has culled
some gems of youthful insight and wisdom, not to mention skepticism
worth of a politics-weary adult.  As the 1984 presidential election
grows near, we offer some of Wilson's treasures.)
 
Did you ever think what I used to think about candidates running
neck-and-neck?  Well it is not true.
 
Universal suffrage means that even the illegible get to vote.
 
Calling a person a runner-up is the polite way of saying you lost.
 
The difference between a king and a president is that a king is the son
of his father but a president is not.
 
What I learned about elections is that we aren't really getting to
elect the president.  It is some people in a college who get to.  I
have not decided what to do about it yet but I am not going to just sit
around.
 
It is possible to get the majority of electoral votes without getting
the majority of popular votes.  Anyone who can ever understand how this
works gets to be president.
 
Some of our presidents never did much else and are famous only because
they became president.
 
The more I think about trying to run for president the less I think of
it.
 
The president has the power to appoint and disappoint the members of
his cabinet.
 
Much has been said about balancing the budget.  It has been found that
the budget is more talkable than balanceable.
 
The campaign is when the candidate tells what he stands for and the
election is when the voters tell if they can stand for his being elected.
 
Actually, elections are different from politics.  Elections come and go
while politics are with us all the time.
 
The winning candidate is elected and inoculated.
 
In January, the president makes his Inaugural Address after he has been
sworn at.
 
Once he is elected, sometimes the president has to work 24 hours a day
until he finds out what he is supposed to do.
 
The nominees are usually called candidates or campaigners although I
have heard them called other things.
 
One of the strictest rules is all dark horses running for president must
be people.
 
Popular votes tell who is the most popular.  Electoral votes tell who
is the most elected.
 
Heredity is a bad thing in politics because it gets us kings instead of
presidents.
 
A caucus is something people vote in.  Sort of a small booth.
 
An overwhelming favorite is a candidate that often comes over to the
convention and whelms the delegates.
 
The jobs of delegates is to resent their states.
 
Noncommittal is to be able to talk and talk without saying anything.
 
When the radio mentions a landslide, cross your fingers and hope it is
talking about an election.
 
A dark horse is a candidate that the delegates don't know enough about
to dislike yet.
 
Political science is to try to figure out what makes candidates act
that way.
 
A split ticket is when you don't like any of them on the ticket so you
tear it up.
 
When they talk about the most promising presidential candidate, they
mean the one who can think of the most things to promise.
 
Elephants and donkeys never fought until politics came along.
 
Political strategy is when you don't let people know you have run out
of ideas and keep shouting anyway.
 
A candidate should always renounce his words carefully.
 
We are learning how to make our election results known quicker and
quicker.  It is our campaigns we are having trouble getting any shorter.
 
One of the mainest rules of campaigning is you are not allowed to go on
a whistle-stop tour without a train.
 
Politician is the bawling out name for a candidate you don't like.
 
Speaking of defeat, candidates are told never to.
 
Campaigns give us a great deal of happiness by their finally ending.
 
 
[ Reported collection source, Ford Times ]
 

IMO, Perot doesn't give a sh!t about privacy or civil liberties.

He's a billionaire...All he cares about is a dollar.

Period.

I AM voting for Clinton...  (sorry Jum, I don't think you're gonna take
too many votes away from GHWB, so I gotta go with Slick-Willie (tm) )

Dave

When you consider voting ... think about the VP you'll be voting for,
too.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Gore as president at the beginning
of the 21st century.  :^)

And no "when is the first day of the 21st century" digressions are
allowed. ;^)

- DC

    Yea Dave... that's a good point... yesterday I was leaning heavily
    towards Clinton because of his environmental stand.

    
    Actually, Clinton is supposed to have a terrible environmental voting
    record.  That's why I was so pleased with his VP choice.  Balance
    helps.
    
    

    
    >Actually, Clinton is supposed to have a terrible environmental voting
    >record.  That's why I was so pleased with his VP choice.  Balance
    >helps.
    
CNN has been doing a bio on Clinton and his terms as Gov.  What they said 
in a nutshell:  First term he was committed to environment (and many other 
things) but tried to do too much and spread himself too thin.  He got ousted in 
the next election ('78?).  Next election ('82?) he came back and won, and 
changed his stand to focus on a few things he could accomplish, those being 
for the most part education and creating jobs.  He did a pretty good job with 
both but as a result the environment suffered (amoung other things), mostly at 
the hands of the paper/pulp and poultry industries.  Within the last year and a 
half he has finally started to support/propose environmental protection 
policies.

Scott

    
    > Within the last year and a half he has finally started to 
    > support/propose environmental protection policies.
    
    Great!  I think Clinton & Gore are going to work much more as a team
    than the traditional Pres/VP relationship.  At least I hope so.  Gore
    definately has his own strengths worth utilizing.
    
    11 More Days!!!
    
    

    WRT Vice President choices...
    
    Having a wife who is a librarian, I get to see lots of catalogs of new
    books. There is one due out, which examines the 44 or so VP's we have
    had. It seems the VP is never a consideration when voting for
    president. We have had convicted criminals, idiots, shakey people, some
    VP's (can you say Spiro Agnew) get convicted while serving.....
    
    

there was a usenet article on Clinton's environmental record floating around 
several months ago. I'me sure its been posted here at least twice.

I agree that Gore balances Clinton on the environment politically. What 
matters though is not the individual's intentions, but whole ball of wax. 
Simpl;y put, a democratic pres. and a democratic congress will pass more 
pro-environment legislation than any other combo...

    
    good point.
    
    

    Yea ... it is a good point.
    
    I'm concerned about the right to keep and bear arms though.
    
    It's hard to strike a balance.

    	Richard Baum, who is runing the sTraw pole is a friend of mine.
    We exchange mail regularly.
    
    	Over the weekend, I got mail asking "Who is this Jim Henderson?".
    
    	Also, in Westboro, there are signs all over the place, reading:
    
    	Vote Henderson - State Representative....
    
    

    
    :-)
    
    So, Jim, are you gonna send him a position paper?  
    
    

    You better Jim... you've got a lot of votes, you know.. you've
    certainly got mine. :-)

RE:       <<< Note 225.206 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "in the shadow of the moon" >>>

    
       
   > So, Jim, are you gonna send him a position paper?  
    
    


    Yeah, I guess..anybody got a pencil?

    
    
    
   > Yeah, I guess..anybody got a pencil?
    
Nope, but I've got a crayon!
    
    Anyone got some paper???
    
    
    
    
    
    sparky :)

    ... I know.. I know...
    
    Jim can describe his position in one word.... :-)

 Not necessarily  :-)







 

    
    
    	A Vote for Jim Henderson, is a Vote for Jim Henderson!
    
    

 



Uh oh....Inauguration day is on a Tuesday which is my guitar lesson night :-/
Wonder if I can bring my teacher dow there with me and squeeze in a lesson in
between parties?

>   Jim can describe his position in one word.... :-)

Or a number?!?

;-)

Dave

    All right!  Now there's a position I can relate to.

And if elected, will you change your name to...

Jummy Hendrix???

:-)

Dave

>   since DECheads like voting so much, i thought mebbe you guys would be into
>   voting for our favorite candidate again!  last time, our boy came in 2nd
>   to the current front runner, Bill Clinton!!!  i'll bet we could go right
>   over the top if we put our minds to it!

well, i found yet another way to vote for our favorite candidate
maybe if jum makes enough of a showing in enough polls, we'll all end up
going down to dc for his inauguration party! ;^)

----------------------------------------------------
From: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: Election
Reply-To: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 22:15:13 GMT

I know that .net etiquette prohibits serious political discussion, but I
would be interested in conducting a mock election among those members of
our community.  Votes could be mailed to me, and I could post them after
the election next Tuesday.  If anyone
objects, please let me know.  Otherwise,
go ahead and send your votes to me.

                                        -Andrew
                                        afoster@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
-----------------------------------------------------
oh yeah, don't forget, the proper address from within DEC is:

nm%decwrl::"afoster@cmcvx1.claremont.edu"

Jum's Position...

>   <<< Note 225.218 by SALES::GKELLER "Just Say Anything (To get elected)" >>>
>                                    -< :-) >-
>
>Jum's Position...



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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: STRAW POLL RESULTS!
Message-ID: <1992Oct31.194647.3464@pony.Ingres.COM>
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Hi!
 
Well, the Usenet Straw Poll is over and the results are below.  Only a
few people  attempted  to  vote  multiple times  and  their votes were
disqualified.  There were over 2000 votes cast. I believe I got enough
of a  cross-section of the  Usenet community by   announcing this on a
number of different groups.  I doubt,  however, that the results below
are representative of the voting population of the United States.
Beyond this, I think the results speak for themselves.
 
A hearty "Thank you!" to those who participated, and to those in the US,
don't forget to vote on Tuesday!
					reb
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Vote tally for candidates receiving more than one vote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
858 BILL CLINTON
470 ANDRE MARROU
401 H.ROSS PEROT
226 GEORGE BUSH
58 JAMES "KIBO" PARRY
26 LASZLO NEMETH 
17 CTHULHU
16 NOBODY/NONE OF THE ABOVE
15 JIM HENDERSON
13 FRANK ZAPPA
12 HOWARD- STERN
11 TED FABER
7 BO GRITZ
5 JERRY BROWN
5 JERRY GARCIA
4 RON DANIELS
3 DAVE BARRY
3 RALPH NADER
3 REN & STIMPY
2 HUNTER S THOMPSON
2 CHARLES MANSON
2 TIM CLINKENPEEL
2 TSONGAS
 
The following each received one vote:
-------------------------------------
ADAM JANIN
AL GORE
ANDROMEDA GALAXY
ANN RICHARDS
BILL 'N OPUS
BILL MOYERS
BOBBY HEENAN
CALVIN (OF CALVIN AND HOBBES)
CHAD ANDREW HANKIN FOR PRESIDENT
COKIE ROBERTS (NPR)
DANIELS 
DAVID LETTERMAN
EDDIE LAWSON
ELIZABETH DOLE
ELVIRA FOR PRESIDENT
ELVIS PRESLEY
ERNEST BORGNINE/ERIC ESTRADA
FBI SPECIAL AGENT DALE COOPER
GEORGE WILL/P.J. O'ROURKE
J.R. "BOB" DOBBS
KERMIT
THE MAYOR OF ROCHESTER
GARY STOLLMAN
GEORGE CLINTON
GORE VIDAL
HEMP
HILLARY
HOWARD PHILLIPS
IDI AMIN
JACK HERER
JESSE JACKSON
JIM MORRISON
LARRY AGRAN
LEADER KIBO
LENORA FULANI
LEVON HELM
LONNIE SMITH
MICKEY MOUSE!
MIKHAIL GORBACHEV
MISS TREE PARKER
MR. BEAN
NOAM CHOMSKY
PAT PAULSEN
PETER GARRETT (AUTRALIAN ENVIRONMENTALIST)
PHIL LESH
PICKARD / RIKER
PRES-JAMES STOCKDALE, VP-QUAYLE
REAGAN/NIXON
RICHARD STALLMAN
ROBERT "BALD EAGLE" ANGELINO
STANLEY OWSLEY
THAT HEAD EWOK IN RETURN OF THE JEDI
THOMAS JEFFERSON
TOD JOHNSON
TOM PETERS
UPDATES
WILLIAM GATES
ZIPPY THE PINHEAD
 
 
 

Jim got 15 votes eh!  "None of the above" just barely beat him out :)

>>PETER GARRETT (AUTRALIAN ENVIRONMENTALIST)

That should read "Lead Singer for Midnight Oil and Environmentalist"
:)  At least that's what I think it should read....

bob

re                     <<< Note 225.221 by LANDO::HAPGOOD >>>

>That should read "Lead Singer for Midnight Oil and Environmentalist"
>:)  At least that's what I think it should read....

Actually Garrett did run for political office in Australia ... he's
still the lead singer for Midnight Oil though.  ;^)

- dc

i think Jim may be in for another strong showing...

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From: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: Election '92
Reply-To: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1992 22:18:00 GMT

Last chance to vote in the Unofficial Phish.Net '92 Presidential Election!
Get your votes to afoster@cmcvx1.claremont.edu by Tuesday, and I will tabulate
and post the results on Wednesday.

BTW, who is Jim Henderson?

                                -Andrew

------------------------------

  Why, the next President of the United States, of course :-)





 Jum heading out for a last night of campaigning :-)

    What color drapes shall we hang in the Rose Room, Jum? :-)

RE:   <<< Note 225.225 by VERGA::STANLEY "what a long strange trip it's been" >>>

   > What color drapes shall we hang in the Rose Room, Jum? :-)



     Hmmm...I was just thinking of hanging a big sheet or 2 over the windows..
     I'm not into drapes :-)




     Hey, here's a question.  Does the president have to keep his desk nice and
     neat?  Or can he just leave papers and stuff scattered all over the place?
     If I get in there and have to keep my desk clean, that could be a problem.




 Jum who's a little hoarse this morning after all the last minute campaigning
 last night

re      <<< Note 225.226 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "If wishes were changes..." >>>

>     Hey, here's a question.  Does the president have to keep his desk nice and
>     neat?  Or can he just leave papers and stuff scattered all over the place?
>     If I get in there and have to keep my desk clean, that could be a problem.

What kind of papers?  ;^)

A messy desk is a sign of a person who actually works ... delegate, my man,
DELEGATE!

- citizen DC

Jum,

You could hire a committee to appoint someone to look after your desk
cleaniness for you mon.  You know, a committee of 10 or 20 people, be sure
to include some lobbyists and don't forget to take PAC money!  The results
will make a big diff. on your Prezidential Career (tm).  :-)


As for drapes:   TIE-DYED !!!!


:-)

I think he should get special recognition for developing new life forms...


On his coffee table

:-)Geoff:-)

 RE JC....I guess I'll have to form a committee to study your proposal..



 Coffee table is already packed and ready to go to Warshington DC :-)

    You know how the prez usually has pictures of the wife and kids (and a
    flag or two) in back of his desk?  You should have a picture of the
    boys and your geetar.  And no more "Hail to the Chief", the Monkee's
    theme song (with the fancy steps) would be more appropriate.
    
    I gotta admit, Jum, that I didn't write you in.  However I did vote
    (for state rep) a guy who used to be in my high school electronics
    class that used to put "Big Mac Attack" stickers all over the place.
    
    Scott
    

RE:            <<< Note 225.231 by TLE::ABBOT "Bilbo Baggins in '92" >>>

   > You know how the prez usually has pictures of the wife and kids (and a
   > flag or two) in back of his desk?  You should have a picture of the
   > boys and your geetar.  And no more "Hail to the Chief", the Monkee's
   > theme song (with the fancy steps) would be more appropriate.
    

     Well, my geetar will definitely be there..I don't have company over without
     playing the thing while conversing..so I'll be plucking away at cabinet
     meetings (scuse me mr Secretary..how do you play a Bbdim7)..and a couple
     pictures of the boyz of course..*and* the ALF poster that da ve an Lisa
     gave me :-)




    >I gotta admit, Jum, that I didn't write you in.  However I did vote
    >(for state rep) a guy who used to be in my high school electronics
    >class that used to put "Big Mac Attack" stickers all over the place.
    
    
 That's it...you're off the guest list for the big inaugural ball, buddy :-)



 Jum    

    Jum,
    
    The maid can clean your desk and you can play guitar during cabinet 
    meeting but.... (and I'm sorry but I have to take a stand somewhere)
    NO SHEETS HANGING IN THE ROSE ROOM ... well... unless they're tie dyed
    of course.. :-)

    But Jum, can I come to the inaugural ball if I bring records and beer?
    

 Well, (jum standing with hands in pockets, head down and shuffling his feet)
 I guess...:-)

 Well, folks it doesn't look too good, eh?  Well, it ain't over yet and we're
 gonna hang in here all night before we toss in the ol' towel...






 Jum relaxing and having a homebrew

	Helluva Campaign(tm) Jum!!
	
	Have you called Clinton to congratulate him yet?
	
	I'd like the text to your concession speech, for posterity.
	
	Jay
	
	P.S. you can go back to hating winter now (please!!!  ;-)

RE:  <<< Note 225.237 by NOPROB::JOLLIMORE "kids'ey dance and shake der bones" >>>

>	Helluva Campaign(tm) Jum!!

        You ain't seen nothin' yet!  We're gonna hang around and be a pain in
        Bill Clinton's behind and make sure he comes through on all those 
        glorious plans he talked about.



	
>	Have you called Clinton to congratulate him yet?

        Well, I waited til he had finished his victory speech, and then added
        on a couple hours til I figured he was asleep, then gave him a buzz..
        His response was "Zzzzz...huh? Me? I won?..Who is this?" and then a 
        click..musta had a bad connection.

	
>	I'd like the text to your concession speech, for posterity.

         I'm still working on it...was too busy bottling my Admiral not to be
         confused with Vice President Stocked Ale to think about concession
         speeches :-)

	
		
	>P.S. you can go back to hating winter now (please!!!  ;-)



         Whattya mean?  I love winter, snow, cold, wind, etc..the only thing I
         regret is that Memorial Day will be here in 7 short months




 Jum

>        You ain't seen nothin' yet!  We're gonna hang around and be a pain in
>        Bill Clinton's behind and make sure he comes through on all those 
>        glorious plans he talked about.

	 You bet we are! ;-)

    I'm really sorry the Jum Hendersbnap-Tim Grabme ticket didn't do better 
    in the races......I guess ya'll need to start camPAINing earlier next
    time!!!
    
    rfb

    96!
    
    96!
    
    96!
    
    96!
    

    What?  You mean we lost?  Damn!
    
    I thought it was NEXT week!
    
    Oh  well.  At least Dan lost too!!!
    
    tim
    

      Sooooo....who's got the "Don't blame me, I voted for Jum"
    stickers....?
    
                     ;-)